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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,106
    edited March 2020
    nico67 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Thanks Mike. Now stand down and give the money to Biden.
    With Buttigieg out Bloomberg is probably of the view Biden isn't up to it and Sanders is unelectable so only he can now beat Trump, whether by a comeback to win the Democratic nomination or by an independent run if Sanders gets the nomination, all funded by his vast coffers
    Bloomberg despises Trump . Running as an independent would help hand him 4 more years .
    Not if Bloomberg draws more Republican than Democrat voters and he increasingly despises Bernie too

    https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1231999095214084098?s=20

    https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1232488774694621189?s=20

    https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1232693444780478464?s=20
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Analysis from one country that so far has Covid-19 under control of another country that almost certainly hasn't;

    https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/coronavirus-time-bomb-americas-uninsured-and-brutal-work-culture
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,539
    Just topped up on Biden for POTUS.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,276
    HYUFD said:

    FWIIW (little)

    House of Deputies by-election in Italy took place today

    Lazio 1 constituency (it is one of the Rome city center constituencies)

    Turnout: 17.66%

    PD (finance minister Gualtieri) 62.24%
    Brothers of Italy/Lega/Forza Italia (candidate was from Brothers of Italy) 26.08%
    M5S 4.36%
    Communist Party 2.62%
    Power to the People 2.41%
    People of Families 1.32%
    VOLT 0.97%


    2018 GE was PD (Gentiloni) 42% Centre-right 30% M5S 17%

    Clear shift from M5S to PD there but central Rome is strongly left liberal anyway
    Yep. They cracked down on the wild animals in circuses long ago. The bastards.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Update to non-China infected numbers:
    Chameleon said:


    The rough daily infection rates are:

    15th Feb-20th Feb: 15%
    21-25: 24%
    26-27: 24%
    28: 24%

    29: 28.3%
    1: 25%

    Consistent non-China growth, likely to rise when America starts trying to find people. Projecting consistent 26.5% growth (quadrupling in 6.5 days) we get:

    2nd: 10.8k
    6th (Friday): 27.5k
    8th: 44k
    12th: 113k
    19th: 585k

    Obviously it's unlikely to stick at this trend one way or another, but it's an idea of how quickly SHTF.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,539
    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Thanks Mike. Now stand down and give the money to Biden.
    With Buttigieg out Bloomberg is probably of the view Biden isn't up to it and Sanders is unelectable so only he can now beat Trump, whether by a comeback to win the Democratic nomination or by an independent run if Sanders gets the nomination, all funded by his vast coffers
    Bloomberg despises Trump . Running as an independent would help hand him 4 more years .
    Not if Bloomberg draws more Republican than Democrat voters and he increasingly despises Bernie too

    https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1231999095214084098?s=20

    https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1232488774694621189?s=20

    https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1232693444780478464?s=20
    Brutal. But to stop Bernie Mike needs to walk away now.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,539
    Night all.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,551
    Andy_JS said:

    I can't see Bloomberg's campaign lasting more than about 48 hours. Who's still backing him?
    Someone with a lot of money, who wants people to think Bloomberg is viable.

    Keep taking his money, it's a public service.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,251

    nunu2 said:

    Why it can't be Mayo Pete as VP for either Biden or Bernie.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/baseballot/status/1234271423914487808

    And help deliver their home state.

    Harris is CA iirc.

    A state the Dems win anyway.

    So I'm going off Harris.

    Female in a large state that leans either way?
    Stacey Abrams... but Georgia is probably out of reach, and Biden has the black vote sown up already

    Klobuchar is a no, because Minnesota is unlikely to be a swing state in 2020.

    What about... Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin?

    It was a state Trump narrowly won last time around. And she got more votes in 2018 than Trump got in 2016.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,644
    rcs1000 said:

    nunu2 said:

    Why it can't be Mayo Pete as VP for either Biden or Bernie.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/baseballot/status/1234271423914487808

    And help deliver their home state.

    Harris is CA iirc.

    A state the Dems win anyway.

    So I'm going off Harris.

    Female in a large state that leans either way?
    Stacey Abrams... but Georgia is probably out of reach, and Biden has the black vote sown up already

    Klobuchar is a no, because Minnesota is unlikely to be a swing state in 2020.

    What about... Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin?

    It was a state Trump narrowly won last time around. And she got more votes in 2018 than Trump got in 2016.
    How about a Texan Congresswoman?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    More "Deep State" victimhood coming our way....

    https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1234272013516230661?s=20
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    Catherine Cortez Masto is another veepstakes tip that has a lot of value in it.
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    rcs1000 said:

    nunu2 said:

    Why it can't be Mayo Pete as VP for either Biden or Bernie.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/baseballot/status/1234271423914487808

    And help deliver their home state.

    Harris is CA iirc.

    A state the Dems win anyway.

    So I'm going off Harris.

    Female in a large state that leans either way?
    Stacey Abrams... but Georgia is probably out of reach, and Biden has the black vote sown up already

    Klobuchar is a no, because Minnesota is unlikely to be a swing state in 2020.

    What about... Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin?

    It was a state Trump narrowly won last time around. And she got more votes in 2018 than Trump got in 2016.
    A black woman helps him in North Carolina, Florida, Michigan.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,251
    Gabs3 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    nunu2 said:

    Why it can't be Mayo Pete as VP for either Biden or Bernie.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/baseballot/status/1234271423914487808

    And help deliver their home state.

    Harris is CA iirc.

    A state the Dems win anyway.

    So I'm going off Harris.

    Female in a large state that leans either way?
    Stacey Abrams... but Georgia is probably out of reach, and Biden has the black vote sown up already

    Klobuchar is a no, because Minnesota is unlikely to be a swing state in 2020.

    What about... Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin?

    It was a state Trump narrowly won last time around. And she got more votes in 2018 than Trump got in 2016.
    A black woman helps him in North Carolina, Florida, Michigan.
    I'm not sure it makes that much difference to be honest. (And I think NC and Florida are probably out of reach anyway. So it comes down to: would Stacey Abrams move the needs for the Dems in Michigan? And I don't she does.)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,251
    Gabs3 said:

    Catherine Cortez Masto is another veepstakes tip that has a lot of value in it.

    That's a really good call: I think she'd probably sell well across the South West. And if the Dems flip Arizona, they need one less gain in the rust belt.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,251
    edited March 2020
    I think Pete Buttigieg will be President Biden's Chief of Staff. You heard it here first.
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    rcs1000 said:

    Gabs3 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    nunu2 said:

    Why it can't be Mayo Pete as VP for either Biden or Bernie.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/baseballot/status/1234271423914487808

    And help deliver their home state.

    Harris is CA iirc.

    A state the Dems win anyway.

    So I'm going off Harris.

    Female in a large state that leans either way?
    Stacey Abrams... but Georgia is probably out of reach, and Biden has the black vote sown up already

    Klobuchar is a no, because Minnesota is unlikely to be a swing state in 2020.

    What about... Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin?

    It was a state Trump narrowly won last time around. And she got more votes in 2018 than Trump got in 2016.
    A black woman helps him in North Carolina, Florida, Michigan.
    I'm not sure it makes that much difference to be honest. (And I think NC and Florida are probably out of reach anyway. So it comes down to: would Stacey Abrams move the needs for the Dems in Michigan? And I don't she does.)
    Biden is ahead by several points in North Carolina. And while Biden will win the black vote big, he won't generate African American turnout in the was a black VP would.
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 596
    "2024! 2024!" Doesn't sound like Mayor Pete's supporters think the other candidates have a chance against Trump.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,551
    dodrade said:

    "2024! 2024!" Doesn't sound like Mayor Pete's supporters think the other candidates have a chance against Trump.

    Joe Biden is 77 years old.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    dodrade said:

    "2024! 2024!" Doesn't sound like Mayor Pete's supporters think the other candidates have a chance against Trump.

    Joe Biden is 77 years old.
    - and the youngest male on the Dem ticket
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,410
    edited March 2020
    So far there have been 20 fatalities outside the 4 countries of China, Iran, South Korea and Italy.

    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    Japan 6
    Diamond Princess 6
    France 2
    USA 2
    Australia 1
    Philippines 1
    Thailand 1
    Taiwan 1
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,583
    Andy_JS said:

    So far there have been 20 fatalities outside the 4 countries of China, Iran, South Korea and Italy.

    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    Japan 6
    Diamond Princess 6
    France 2
    USA 2
    Australia 1
    Philippines 1
    Thailand 1
    Taiwan 1

    Per this link it's actually 24 outside of those four countries.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited March 2020
    So the USA, having conducted 472 tests has found 89 cases and has had two deaths. Meanwhile the UK has conducted 11,750 tests, found 35 and so far has had no deaths.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,876
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,876
    Some interesting modelling suggesting that it is just about containable - but only with widespread testing, and prompt isolation of patients:
    https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/new-outbreaks-of-coronavirus-can-be-halted-with-isolation-measures-according-to-study

    For a sufficiently large outbreak, those assumptions don’t hold.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,876
    Meanwhile, the wise men talk about each other.....

    https://twitter.com/realdanlyons/status/1232712764856115200
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,551
    edited March 2020
    Nigelb said:

    Meanwhile, the wise men talk about each other.....

    https://twitter.com/realdanlyons/status/1232712764856115200

    made-up quote, I think
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,876
    Is COVID-19 receiving ADE from other coronaviruses?
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1286457920300344
    Abstract
    One of the most perplexing questions regarding the current COVID-19 coronavirus epidemic is the discrepancy between the severity of cases observed in the Hubei province of China and those occurring elsewhere in the world. One possible answer is antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) of SARS-CoV-2 due to prior exposure to other coronaviruses. ADE modulates the immune response and can elicit sustained inflammation, lymphopenia, and/or cytokine storm, one or all of which have been documented in severe cases and deaths. ADE also requires prior exposure to similar antigenic epitopes, presumably circulating in local viruses, making it a possible explanation for the observed geographic limitation of severe cases and deaths....
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,876

    Nigelb said:

    Meanwhile, the wise men talk about each other.....

    https://twitter.com/realdanlyons/status/1232712764856115200

    made-up quote, I think
    Probably.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,876
    And a thread expressing scepticism about ADE:
    https://twitter.com/jbloom_lab/status/1233819861454712833
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,251
    Of course. Although he's widely hated ("Wall Street Pete"), Buttigieg has been the real star of this nomination process. He's been more articulate than any other candidate, and better organised than any bar Sanders.

    If Bloomberg hadn't interjected himself into the process, then I think Buttigieg would be vying with Biden for the role of moderate going into Super Tuesday.

    He also, unlike many other candidates (cough, Amy Klobuchar, cough...) knows when to quit.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,876
    edited March 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    Of course. Although he's widely hated ("Wall Street Pete"), Buttigieg has been the real star of this nomination process. He's been more articulate than any other candidate, and better organised than any bar Sanders.

    If Bloomberg hadn't interjected himself into the process, then I think Buttigieg would be vying with Biden for the role of moderate going into Super Tuesday.

    He also, unlike many other candidates (cough, Amy Klobuchar, cough...) knows when to quit.
    “Widely hated” overstates it a bit.

    Klobuchar possibly agreeing with you now....
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/01/amy-klobuchar-rally-canceled-protests-118571
    Sen. Amy Klobuchar canceled a rally in her home state Sunday night as several dozen protesters chanted “Black Lives Matter,” “Klobuchar has got to go” and “Free Myon” — referencing the case of a black teenager convicted of murder after a flawed police investigation.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,622
    Nigelb said:
    Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,

    Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,876
    edited March 2020
    Some detail from Korea:

    http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200302000144
    A total of 71,580 people have tested negative for the virus, with 33,799 more awaiting their test results. Some 31 patients were released from quarantine after making full recoveries.

    Health authorities said the number of infections could be expected to climb in the coming days as testing of 210,000 members of the Shincheonji Church of Jesus -- the country’s biggest cluster of infections -- is still underway.

    There is a greater possibility of positive results among members of the church’s Daegu branch, compared with those with no ties to the sect, according to the authorities.

    Starting Monday, the government began moving patients with mild symptoms to designated community treatment centers based in nonmedical state-run facilities, for quarantine, treatment and care, in the face of a shortage of hospital beds. The patients are categorized in four groups according to their condition. ...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited March 2020
    Indonesia joins the party...

    https://twitter.com/jakpost/status/1234342088197726208?s=20

    Contact traced to Japanese man who was detected in Malaysia
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,124
    rcs1000 said:

    Of course. Although he's widely hated ("Wall Street Pete"), Buttigieg has been the real star of this nomination process. He's been more articulate than any other candidate, and better organised than any bar Sanders.

    If Bloomberg hadn't interjected himself into the process, then I think Buttigieg would be vying with Biden for the role of moderate going into Super Tuesday.

    He also, unlike many other candidates (cough, Amy Klobuchar, cough...) knows when to quit.
    Articulate but what does (or did) Mayor Pete actually stand for?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,124
    If Mayor Pete is out then presumably his campaign will no longer object to Bernie's request to recount Iowa, which raises the question of whether Bernie does still want to recount Iowa.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,124
    OT Wordpress plugins are being attacked according to this report I've not read.
    https://www.zdnet.com/article/hackers-are-actively-exploiting-zero-days-in-several-wordpress-plugins/
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,190
    edited March 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    Of course. Although he's widely hated ("Wall Street Pete"), Buttigieg has been the real star of this nomination process. He's been more articulate than any other candidate, and better organised than any bar Sanders.

    If Bloomberg hadn't interjected himself into the process, then I think Buttigieg would be vying with Biden for the role of moderate going into Super Tuesday.

    He also, unlike many other candidates (cough, Amy Klobuchar, cough...) knows when to quit.
    I think he ran eight years too early. He needed some senate experience first.

    And he has an unpronounceable name.

    Otherwise I agree.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,124
    IanB2 said:

    Nigelb said:
    Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,

    Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.
    VP Pence is in charge. The same Pence who refused to act against AIDS and who voted against President Bush's rescue package in the global financial crisis. If the US response is led by a man philosophically opposed to government action then what do you (or what does Trump) expect?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,190

    Andy_JS said:

    I can't see Bloomberg's campaign lasting more than about 48 hours. Who's still backing him?
    Someone with a lot of money, who wants people to think Bloomberg is viable.

    Keep taking his money, it's a public service.
    I've relaid him to the max.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,190

    Has anyone ever resurrected a "suspended" campaign?
    I've levelled up on Pete for £2 at 1000 because for this year who the hell knows??
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    IanB2 said:

    Nigelb said:
    Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,

    Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.
    The US health care system is also completely un-designed for something of this nature
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,622
    edited March 2020

    IanB2 said:

    Nigelb said:
    Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,

    Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.
    VP Pence is in charge. The same Pence who refused to act against AIDS and who voted against President Bush's rescue package in the global financial crisis. If the US response is led by a man philosophically opposed to government action then what do you (or what does Trump) expect?
    Yes. Thinking about the markets, I guess we can expect the next plunge when the US, and specifically its popular media, starts worrying about the crisis finally breaking back home.

    At least it will put a stop to almost every American due to travel to Europe in the next four months posting questions on travel forums asking whether it is safe.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,251

    rcs1000 said:

    Of course. Although he's widely hated ("Wall Street Pete"), Buttigieg has been the real star of this nomination process. He's been more articulate than any other candidate, and better organised than any bar Sanders.

    If Bloomberg hadn't interjected himself into the process, then I think Buttigieg would be vying with Biden for the role of moderate going into Super Tuesday.

    He also, unlike many other candidates (cough, Amy Klobuchar, cough...) knows when to quit.
    Articulate but what does (or did) Mayor Pete actually stand for?
    He stands for what works.

    He is a pragmatist.

    Sadly a that's a characteristic missing from most of the rest of the Democratic field.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,251

    If Mayor Pete is out then presumably his campaign will no longer object to Bernie's request to recount Iowa, which raises the question of whether Bernie does still want to recount Iowa.

    Wasn't Iowa recounted, and Mayor Pete's lead increased, last Friday?
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Nigelb said:
    Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,

    Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.
    VP Pence is in charge. The same Pence who refused to act against AIDS and who voted against President Bush's rescue package in the global financial crisis. If the US response is led by a man philosophically opposed to government action then what do you (or what does Trump) expect?
    Yes. Thinking about the markets, I guess we can expect the next plunge when the US, and specifically its popular media, starts worrying about the crisis finally breaking back home.

    At least it will put a stop to almost every American due to travel to Europe in the next four months posting questions on travel forums asking whether it is safe.
    Yep.

    I'm anticipating a bounce for a short time then another mahooosive crash or prolonged slide as the reality grips.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,251

    IanB2 said:

    Nigelb said:
    Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,

    Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.
    The US health care system is also completely un-designed for something of this nature
    It's also the only weakness Trump has.

    Survey after survey shows Americans are happy with their government regarding the economy, regarding immigration, regarding law & order, regarding foreign affairs.

    The only area where they don't trust Trump is healthcare. @eadric overstates things somewhat, but this really is his Achilles heal. If the outbreak is severe, and the election is fought on healthcare, then Trump loses.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,124
    rcs1000 said:

    If Mayor Pete is out then presumably his campaign will no longer object to Bernie's request to recount Iowa, which raises the question of whether Bernie does still want to recount Iowa.

    Wasn't Iowa recounted, and Mayor Pete's lead increased, last Friday?
    I'm going by the Wikipedia page which says yes, Iowa results were certified on Saturday with a 2-delegate lead for Buttigieg but that Sanders still has an open recount challenge.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Iowa_Democratic_caucuses
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,539
    Good morning, everyone.

    Clever pun.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Biden should drop out and endorse Warren.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,551
    Nigelb said:

    Meanwhile, the wise men talk about each other.....

    https://twitter.com/realdanlyons/status/1232712764856115200

    Of true, it is beyond parody.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,660
    To lose your Chancellor because he has been bullied may be a misfortune.

    To lose a Home Secretary because she is a bully would look like a pattern.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,773
    edited March 2020
    I see that for the firt time, the number of recovered is more than half the total of known cases (of that which we cannot talk about):

    https://hgis.uw.edu/virus/
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,012
    eadric said:

    moonshine said:

    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    Foxy said:
    Incidentally, Egypt has an insanely oversized population. 100 million??! Anyone who has been there knows it can barely support a fifth of that in any kind of comfort.

    Perhaps that is why The Virus has arrived.
    Though that tweet is wrong. Egypt does not have the highest population in Africa. That dubious honour goes to Nigeria with 187 million people - almost twice that of Egypt.

    They have also just announced their first cases....

    Edit. Apologies Nigeria is even more than I thought - 200 million is the latest estimate. 60 years ago it was 45 million.
    I never said they have the highest population in Africa?
    Foxy's Tweet does.
    Ah, I suspect the journalisural problems which will not help. And very crowded in places.
    It is woe virus whilst other African countries do not.
    You follow my thoughts exactly. The only other African countries which might identify this bug are Morocco and South Africa, to my mind.

    I reckon in a lot of very poor third world coudia, Pakistan, Bolivia, much of sub Saharan Africa. Will they even notice Covid?
    When you think this through, containment is now really all about flattening the curve until there’s an effective anti viral treatment. That’s it. Because unless Coronavirus shrivels in the sun like the Orcs, the tide is going to break over us sooner or later. No one can win whack a mole forever.

    Gilead have the treatment people seem hopeful about. If that one doesn’t end up working then I think it’s time to start getting quite depressed. Because then we’re waiting for a mass produced vaccine. And my uninformed gut tells me that will even harder to develop than a treatment.
    Yes, all true.

    Here's what I really think, right now. I've tried not to be fear-mongery today, because others object, but this is my honest point of view.

    Basically, we're all gonna get this, in the end. Many if not most of us will get this in the first year. That's why the experts are saying "the worst case scenario is right".

    This means tens of thousands dead, maybe hundreds of thousands, in the UK (tho one must remember 600,000 die every year in the UK, anyway).

    It will be grim, and it will change the way we think and live, it will not be Doomsday. That's where I am tonight, after a few glasses of wine, as a bipolar PB-er with some vulnerable loved ones.


    Another nutjob
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Andy_JS said:

    I can't see Bloomberg's campaign lasting more than about 48 hours. Who's still backing him?
    Himself. To the tune of billions.
    He's really really old. What else does a narcisistic billionaire spend his billions on at his age?
    You give it away
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,519
    Dreadful news betting-wise for me about Mayor Pete. My book could only get worse if Emily Thornberry drops out of the Labour leadership contest.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,660
    George Eustice may be known as George Useless among farmers, but he isn’t going to be sacked just for being dim and incompetent.

    Johnson can’t afford to let people think government ministers should know what they’re doing or he will come under threat himself.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    rcs1000 said:

    VP Buttigieg?

    Kamala Harris, surely?
    Why?

    Ticks some minority boxes but so does Pete
    Performed less well in campaign
    Didn’t raise much money
    CA less valuable than mid West as pretty safe
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,773
    Charles said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can't see Bloomberg's campaign lasting more than about 48 hours. Who's still backing him?
    Himself. To the tune of billions.
    He's really really old. What else does a narcisistic billionaire spend his billions on at his age?
    You give it away
    Where's the fun in that?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,190
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Of course. Although he's widely hated ("Wall Street Pete"), Buttigieg has been the real star of this nomination process. He's been more articulate than any other candidate, and better organised than any bar Sanders.

    If Bloomberg hadn't interjected himself into the process, then I think Buttigieg would be vying with Biden for the role of moderate going into Super Tuesday.

    He also, unlike many other candidates (cough, Amy Klobuchar, cough...) knows when to quit.
    Articulate but what does (or did) Mayor Pete actually stand for?
    He stands for what works.

    He is a pragmatist.

    Sadly a that's a characteristic missing from most of the rest of the Democratic field.
    Who wants a pragmatist at this moment in history?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,600
    edited March 2020

    Good morning, everyone.

    Clever pun.

    All my puns are clever, awesome, and subtle.

    I am the Punmaster General.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,190
    eadric said:

    Foxy said:
    Incidentally, Egypt has an insanely oversized population. 100 million??! Anyone who has been there knows it can barely support a fifth of that in any kind of comfort.

    Perhaps that is why The Virus has arrived.
    #nodramajustsharingthefacts
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,190
    rcs1000 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Nigelb said:
    Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,

    Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.
    The US health care system is also completely un-designed for something of this nature
    It's also the only weakness Trump has.

    Survey after survey shows Americans are happy with their government regarding the economy, regarding immigration, regarding law & order, regarding foreign affairs.

    The only area where they don't trust Trump is healthcare. @eadric overstates things somewhat, but this really is his Achilles heal. If the outbreak is severe, and the election is fought on healthcare, then Trump loses.
    I can see Sanders beating Trump but I’m not sure I can see Bumbling Biden.

    I think if the Dems pick Biden via some convention chicanery then Trump wins.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    nunu2 said:

    Pete had the best policy on healthcare:

    Medicare for all *who want it*.

    Creates a market for lemons
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,622

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Nigelb said:
    Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,

    Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.
    VP Pence is in charge. The same Pence who refused to act against AIDS and who voted against President Bush's rescue package in the global financial crisis. If the US response is led by a man philosophically opposed to government action then what do you (or what does Trump) expect?
    Yes. Thinking about the markets, I guess we can expect the next plunge when the US, and specifically its popular media, starts worrying about the crisis finally breaking back home.

    At least it will put a stop to almost every American due to travel to Europe in the next four months posting questions on travel forums asking whether it is safe.
    Yep.

    I'm anticipating a bounce for a short time then another mahooosive crash or prolonged slide as the reality grips.
    Except that it is still more likely than not that this becomes normalised as a more severe form of normal flu, and still may subside as the northern hemisphere warms, rather than hundred of thousands of bodies lying in the street as a certain PB’er delights in predicting.

    The US question is whether its relative inactivity to date hides an Italian-style crisis somewhere along the west coast, remembering that isn’t that long since a Italy only had a few cases. Now that would send markets down.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    nico67 said:

    CatMan said:
    I fail to see any reason whatsoever the EU should be meddling in this.

    This isn't a European issue its a global one. We shouldn't have the EU as some jumped up middleman, we should be coordinating our response locally in line with global coordination via the World Health Organisation whose job it literally is to coordinate that.

    Any resources going to the EU for this should be going to the WHO. It makes no difference to us whether someone carrying an epidemic bug is travelling from Milan or Cairo or Berlin or Washington or Paris or Beijing.
    So you know more than those who work in the NHS ? They wanted to remain in that . Do you seriously think the public will riot if the UK stayed in this . Would this not be proper Brexit!
    It would make sense

    But the EU not unless you accept free movement of people

    Institutional overreach
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,876

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Of course. Although he's widely hated ("Wall Street Pete"), Buttigieg has been the real star of this nomination process. He's been more articulate than any other candidate, and better organised than any bar Sanders.

    If Bloomberg hadn't interjected himself into the process, then I think Buttigieg would be vying with Biden for the role of moderate going into Super Tuesday.

    He also, unlike many other candidates (cough, Amy Klobuchar, cough...) knows when to quit.
    Articulate but what does (or did) Mayor Pete actually stand for?
    He stands for what works.

    He is a pragmatist.

    Sadly a that's a characteristic missing from most of the rest of the Democratic field.
    Who wants a pragmatist at this moment in history?
    Me.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,876
    rcs1000 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Nigelb said:
    Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,

    Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.
    The US health care system is also completely un-designed for something of this nature
    It's also the only weakness Trump has.

    Survey after survey shows Americans are happy with their government regarding the economy, regarding immigration, regarding law & order, regarding foreign affairs.

    The only area where they don't trust Trump is healthcare. @eadric overstates things somewhat, but this really is his Achilles heal. If the outbreak is severe, and the election is fought on healthcare, then Trump loses.
    That assumes they’ll still be happy about the economy come November.
    That seems... questionable.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,876
    edited March 2020
    ydoethur said:

    George Eustice may be known as George Useless among farmers, but he isn’t going to be sacked just for being dim and incompetent.

    Johnson can’t afford to let people think government ministers should know what they’re doing or he will come under threat himself.

    True.
    Though the official spelling is Euslice.


    Which is required to distinguish him from half of the cabinet.
  • dodrade said:

    "2024! 2024!" Doesn't sound like Mayor Pete's supporters think the other candidates have a chance against Trump.

    Or the Democrat President will be past it?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,876
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Nigelb said:
    Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,

    Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.
    VP Pence is in charge. The same Pence who refused to act against AIDS and who voted against President Bush's rescue package in the global financial crisis. If the US response is led by a man philosophically opposed to government action then what do you (or what does Trump) expect?
    Yes. Thinking about the markets, I guess we can expect the next plunge when the US, and specifically its popular media, starts worrying about the crisis finally breaking back home.

    At least it will put a stop to almost every American due to travel to Europe in the next four months posting questions on travel forums asking whether it is safe.
    Yep.

    I'm anticipating a bounce for a short time then another mahooosive crash or prolonged slide as the reality grips.
    Except that it is still more likely than not that this becomes normalised as a more severe form of normal flu, and still may subside as the northern hemisphere warms, rather than hundred of thousands of bodies lying in the street as a certain PB’er delights in predicting.

    The US question is whether its relative inactivity to date hides an Italian-style crisis somewhere along the west coast, remembering that isn’t that long since a Italy only had a few cases. Now that would send markets down.
    There is a reasonable probability that it is well beyond the west coast by now.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,024
    Cementing the impression that he us actually a sensible politician. Takes some guts to pull out so close to super Tuesday even though he had so little chance now.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,551
    ydoethur said:

    George Eustice may be known as George Useless among farmers, but he isn’t going to be sacked just for being dim and incompetent.

    Johnson can’t afford to let people think government ministers should know what they’re doing or he will come under threat himself.

    Unfair criticism of Mr Johnson who has been tirelessly working in his yellow housecoat at the Public Health England Laboratory in Colindale to win the fight against Covid 19.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,536
    Charles said:

    nico67 said:

    CatMan said:
    I fail to see any reason whatsoever the EU should be meddling in this.

    This isn't a European issue its a global one. We shouldn't have the EU as some jumped up middleman, we should be coordinating our response locally in line with global coordination via the World Health Organisation whose job it literally is to coordinate that.

    Any resources going to the EU for this should be going to the WHO. It makes no difference to us whether someone carrying an epidemic bug is travelling from Milan or Cairo or Berlin or Washington or Paris or Beijing.
    So you know more than those who work in the NHS ? They wanted to remain in that . Do you seriously think the public will riot if the UK stayed in this . Would this not be proper Brexit!
    It would make sense

    But the EU not unless you accept free movement of people

    Institutional overreach
    The free movement of people wouldn't have been quite so bad were it not for our need based rather than contribution based welfare system.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,024
    edited March 2020

    I am really sorry Buttigieg is out. It worries me that he failed to connect with African American voters. Is this because of him or them?
    Always next time. Didnt Bernie struggle with Hispanic voters last time?

    He does need some high profile job to succeed in the meantime. He wont be s fresh face then.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,708
    edited March 2020
    eek said:

    Charles said:

    nico67 said:

    CatMan said:
    I fail to see any reason whatsoever the EU should be meddling in this.

    This isn't a European issue its a global one. We shouldn't have the EU as some jumped up middleman, we should be coordinating our response locally in line with global coordination via the World Health Organisation whose job it literally is to coordinate that.

    Any resources going to the EU for this should be going to the WHO. It makes no difference to us whether someone carrying an epidemic bug is travelling from Milan or Cairo or Berlin or Washington or Paris or Beijing.
    So you know more than those who work in the NHS ? They wanted to remain in that . Do you seriously think the public will riot if the UK stayed in this . Would this not be proper Brexit!
    It would make sense

    But the EU not unless you accept free movement of people

    Institutional overreach
    The free movement of people wouldn't have been quite so bad were it not for our need based rather than contribution based welfare system.
    Philip: Judging by all your posts that I have read, you will never question anything that Johnson et al do. Where is your "red line"?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,024
    Nigelb said:

    Meanwhile, the wise men talk about each other.....

    https://twitter.com/realdanlyons/status/1232712764856115200

    That's certifiably mad.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    eadric said:
    Asia ended up on the day. Facts.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,622

    ydoethur said:

    George Eustice may be known as George Useless among farmers, but he isn’t going to be sacked just for being dim and incompetent.

    Johnson can’t afford to let people think government ministers should know what they’re doing or he will come under threat himself.

    Unfair criticism of Mr Johnson who has been tirelessly working in his yellow housecoat at the Public Health England Laboratory in Colindale to win the fight against Covid 19.
    turning up to his first meeting on the matter this morning?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,876
    S Korea postpones next school semester for all schools by two weeks to March 23rd.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,622
    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Nigelb said:
    Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,

    Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.
    VP Pence is in charge. The same Pence who refused to act against AIDS and who voted against President Bush's rescue package in the global financial crisis. If the US response is led by a man philosophically opposed to government action then what do you (or what does Trump) expect?
    Yes. Thinking about the markets, I guess we can expect the next plunge when the US, and specifically its popular media, starts worrying about the crisis finally breaking back home.

    At least it will put a stop to almost every American due to travel to Europe in the next four months posting questions on travel forums asking whether it is safe.
    Yep.

    I'm anticipating a bounce for a short time then another mahooosive crash or prolonged slide as the reality grips.
    Except that it is still more likely than not that this becomes normalised as a more severe form of normal flu, and still may subside as the northern hemisphere warms, rather than hundred of thousands of bodies lying in the street as a certain PB’er delights in predicting.

    The US question is whether its relative inactivity to date hides an Italian-style crisis somewhere along the west coast, remembering that isn’t that long since a Italy only had a few cases. Now that would send markets down.
    There is a reasonable probability that it is well beyond the west coast by now.
    For sure, there have been cases in the North East and Chicago also. But if there's a hidden Italian-style outbreak I'd have thought the odds are it'll be on the west coast.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,190
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Of course. Although he's widely hated ("Wall Street Pete"), Buttigieg has been the real star of this nomination process. He's been more articulate than any other candidate, and better organised than any bar Sanders.

    If Bloomberg hadn't interjected himself into the process, then I think Buttigieg would be vying with Biden for the role of moderate going into Super Tuesday.

    He also, unlike many other candidates (cough, Amy Klobuchar, cough...) knows when to quit.
    Articulate but what does (or did) Mayor Pete actually stand for?
    He stands for what works.

    He is a pragmatist.

    Sadly a that's a characteristic missing from most of the rest of the Democratic field.
    Who wants a pragmatist at this moment in history?
    Me.
    Yes, but you’re in a small minority.

    Most voters aren’t interested at the moment and it’s very difficult to win an election as one.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,622
    matt said:

    eadric said:
    Asia ended up on the day. Facts.
    Both UK and US are up in the pre-markets. I think it'll take breaking bad news to turn today into a torrid market day.
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