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  • Alistair said:

    I still have a Bloomberg hole to go along with her.
    Relax, right now, you have has as many pledged delegates as Bloomberg, and still will after South Carolina.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited February 2020

    You are going to pay a terrible price in all other aspects of your life for Liverpool winning the League.

    Remember that Faustian pact?
    It's coming home
    It's coming home
    It's coming
    Football's coming home

    Liver bird on a shirt
    Old big ears still gleaming
    Thirty years of hurt
    Never stopped me dreaming
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    edited February 2020

    Oh god, poor you..

    Good luck. Hopefully we’ll all be ok.
    Thank you.

    I had an intimation of mortality just before Xmas when I became very ill very quickly. My son was with me and he said: “Mum. You’re white and your lips are blue.” I had chest pain and it crossed my mind that maybe this was it: heart attack and off. I’d go to bed and not wake up. Partly it was because the evening before my mother died in her sleep we’d noticed that her lips were a bit blue (she had a cold) and told her we’d get the doctor in the next morning. And this was around Xmas too. So there seemed to be echoes which my son’s words brought to the surface, even though he did not know this.

    Instead of which I got something nastier.

    Anyway I’m still here but I remember thinking that I mustn’t worry my sons - they were all for calling an ambulance - and that bothering doctors at Xmas was the last thing they needed. I really didn’t want them (my sons) seeing me in such a state.

    And now I do wonder whether I shouldn’t hoick them out of London, just in case .....
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651

    Earlier on this season I actually promised to become a good Muslim if Liverpool won the title this year.

    Fortunately I never specified for how long.
    You could give up alcohol for Lent, which started today. Cultural appropriation I believe it’s called. 😏
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    edited February 2020

    Earlier on this season I actually promised to become a good Muslim if Liverpool won the title this year.

    Fortunately I never specified for how long.
    You're in a right pickle then. Once you declare the Shahadah that's it my old fruit. Muslim you then be. And here's the rub. If you then backslide you're worse off than if you hadn't opened with those glorious words in the first place.* Apostate!

    * And yes they are utterly glorious. Whatever your take on Islam, the words of the Shahada are quite sublime. The Arabic alliteration is beautiful.
  • You're in a right pickle then. Once you declare the Shahadah that's it my old fruit. Muslim you then be. And here's the rub. If you then backslide you're worse off than if you hadn't opened with those glorious words in the first place.* Apostate!

    * And yes they are utterly glorious. Whatever your take on Islam, the words of the Shahada are quite sublime. The Arabic alliteration is beautiful.
    I declared the Shahadah many years ago.

    Actually I'm a very good Muslim if you ignore my constant whoring and gambling, and that I only pray twice a year, if that.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,782
    Foxy said:

    Yes, take care. Home working in the Lakes sounds a good plan.
    The Lakes, particularly the quiet bits, is a good place. Stay safe, Cyclefree.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272

    I declared the Shahadah many years ago.

    Actually I'm a very good Muslim if you ignore my constant whoring and gambling, and that I only pray twice a year, if that.
    The best sort!

    :smile:
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    I declared the Shahadah many years ago.

    Actually I'm a very good Muslim if you ignore my constant whoring and gambling, and that I only pray twice a year, if that.
    Lawyers, at least in private practice, spend quite a lot of time praying. Generally it involves transactions going to term and is mixed with a big element of “there but for the grace of god”.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited February 2020
    Alistair said:

    When Biden wins SC I am expecting the market to go bananananananas
    The 15 that Biden was at with Betfair before last night's debate was always a bit silly, since he was bound to come in with South Carolina being the next primary.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    So. Was the Javid speech so unmemorable that it’s not even worth mentioning?
  • Cyclefree said:

    So. Was the Javid speech so unmemorable that it’s not even worth mentioning?

    I can help you there. As a precis, he said something along the lines of "I should be able to pick my advisors, but I fully support this wonderful govt in which I have total confidence and our glorious PM. And that is why I resigned"
  • isamisam Posts: 41,342
    justin124 said:

    No - I attended a Grammar School but it was a very unfair system.
    Why not have one per constituency and let all the parents who’d rather their kids go to an academy or whatever do so? Nice to have the choice.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    Cyclefree said:



    And now I do wonder whether I shouldn’t hoick them out of London, just in case .....
    Fox Jr is in London now, and growing up to be a fine young man. Travelling on the tube, going to theatres and crowded pubs etc.

    The risks to youngsters are quite low though, so he should be fine if he gets it. There have been very few fatalities under 30, mostly minor symptoms and quick resolution.

    I suspect your kids are equally low risk in London, if that is any comfort.





  • eadric said:

    There are blue tick Republicans on Twitter seriously declaring that coronavirus is a media conspiracy to stop Trump winning.

    America is crocked

    You've only noticed?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,856
    eadric said:

    There are blue tick Republicans on Twitter seriously declaring that coronavirus is a media conspiracy to stop Trump winning.

    America is crocked

    You'll probably get tele-evangalists saying it's been sent by God to purify the gene pool.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    Cyclefree said:

    So. Was the Javid speech so unmemorable that it’s not even worth mentioning?

    He spoke up quite strongly for his fiscal rules as written in the manifesto, and for debt to be lower at the end of Parliament. Low taxes, tight on value for taxpayers money.

    I suspect that is why Johnson wanted him out.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651

    I can help you there. As a precis, he said something along the lines of "I should be able to pick my advisors, but I fully support this wonderful govt in which I have total confidence and our glorious PM. And that is why I resigned"
    😀
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    Foxy said:

    Fox Jr is in London now, and growing up to be a fine young man. Travelling on the tube, going to theatres and crowded pubs etc.

    The risks to youngsters are quite low though, so he should be fine if he gets it. There have been very few fatalities under 30, mostly minor symptoms and quick resolution.

    I suspect your kids are equally low risk in London, if that is any comfort.





    Thank you.
  • I declared the Shahadah many years ago.

    Actually I'm a very good Muslim if you ignore my constant whoring and gambling, and that I only pray twice a year, if that.
    You're a MINO? :)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,715

    I can help you there. As a precis, he said something along the lines of "I should be able to pick my advisors, but I fully support this wonderful govt in which I have total confidence and our glorious PM. And that is why I resigned"
    LOL
  • glwglw Posts: 10,367
    eadric said:

    There are blue tick Republicans on Twitter seriously declaring that coronavirus is a media conspiracy to stop Trump winning.

    America is crocked

    For "balance" there are also people saying Trump will use coronavirus as an excuse to suspend the election.

    I'm certain that 2020 will have more craziness than 2000 and 2016 combined.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    Cyclefree said:

    Thank you.
    Children are always a worry, but for this, probably not too much.

    I am hoping that containment measures will keep outbreaks under control, and that it doesn't kick off in a big way other than economically (which will bounce back quickly after the peak).

    I am not a particularly brave sort, and not so much in the front line as some others, but will not shirk when duty calls. I signed up for this 3 decades ago, and have had a good career.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,177
    I’m immune suppressed somewhat, I take Adalimumab. I wonder if I should be worried. I never really get colds or anything like that though.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567
    It wasn’t Mandela, it was some other 800 year old demigod and dildo collector.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    isam said:

    Why not have one per constituency and let all the parents who’d rather their kids go to an academy or whatever do so? Nice to have the choice.
    In the past it was never a matter of choice - nor was admission dependant on reaching a particular academic threshold. So much was owed to luck - in that pupils who gained entry in one academic year would have been rejected in another year and vice versa.In large metropolitan areas such as London entry requirements varied significantly from borough to borough, so that applicants failing to obtain entry in Redbridge - say - would likely have been successful in Enfield - or vise versa.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    eadric said:
    If you are in Iran certainly, though 8 deaths in a big hospital in a non developed country could have been worse
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    eadric said:

    The concern is not the number (tho it is high) it is that Iran is so obviously lying.

    This is the second plausible report from Qom that the Iranian regime is desperately fibbing about the true scale of the epidemic.
    It is still a theocracy so no real surprise about its secrecy
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272

    I’m immune suppressed somewhat, I take Adalimumab. I wonder if I should be worried. I never really get colds or anything like that though.

    Paradoxically it may even be beneficial by dampening down the excessive immune response.
  • You'll probably get tele-evangalists saying it's been sent by God to purify the gene pool.
    I think Trump should deliberately expose himself to the coronavirus to prove just how much God is looking after his main man.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,568
    Foxy said:

    Children are always a worry, but for this, probably not too much.

    I am hoping that containment measures will keep outbreaks under control, and that it doesn't kick off in a big way other than economically (which will bounce back quickly after the peak).

    I am not a particularly brave sort, and not so much in the front line as some others, but will not shirk when duty calls. I signed up for this 3 decades ago, and have had a good career.
    As a random fact, the AVERAGE age of the first 11 deaths in Italy was above 80. I think it has dipped just below since. Indeed, the local health authorities are expecting a somewhat higher case fatality than in China because of Italy's demographics.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567
    edited February 2020
    Eadric incoming in 3...2...1

    Coronavirus cases jump to 400 in Italy
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51645902
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    Pro_Rata said:

    As a random fact, the AVERAGE age of the first 11 deaths in Italy was above 80. I think it has dipped just below since. Indeed, the local health authorities are expecting a somewhat higher case fatality than in China because of Italy's demographics.
    I don't think Chinas age demographics are very different now to our own.

    It is early days in Italy though, and quite a few on ICU.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,782
    HYUFD said:
    If America wanted a monarch, they would never have declared independence.
  • ydoethur said:

    Eadric incoming in 3...2...1

    Coronavirus cases jump to 400 in Italy
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51645902

    The governor of Lombardy is in quarantine.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567
    eadric said:

    My theory that it comes for politicians, ESPECIALLY (old, male, sociable, handshakers and baby kissers) is looking good.
    So you do see some positives in it, then?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TOPPING said:

    Charles you are upper middle class. Keir Starmer isn't.
    You’re right. QC MP PC xDPP makes him upper class
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302

    I think Trump should deliberately expose himself to the coronavirus to prove just how much God is looking after his main man.
    Not sure even coronavirus could survive Trump deliberately exposing himself tbh.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    HYUFD said:

    Charles is upper class born and bred never mind upper middle class
    Solidly middle class I’m afraid, sorry to disappoint
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Cyclefree said:

    I have had pneumonia 6 times (and much else besides). It is horrible. I have bronchiectasis. I have to do all I can to avoid further lung infections.

    Where I am currently am is practically off the map. So am keeping calm.

    I try not to worry about stuff I can do little about.
    Remoteness didn’t help during the Black Death
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567

    Not sure even coronavirus could survive Trump deliberately exposing himself tbh.
    Depends on whether it had a microscope handy?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TOPPING said:

    I see that plod is warning attendees to Greta's forthcoming Bristol climate strike rally that they are at risk of "slips, trips, falls and crushing".

    60,000 attended a rally of hers in Stuttgart.

    There is a touch of the Maid of Orleans about the whole thing.

    I thought she had mild Aspergers not schizophrenia?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Most of the Corbynites I know (like myself) are philosophical about it - we lost, we accept it's time to try someone new, and we hope they won't swing violently right. Unless Starmer goes out of his way to attack them, I think most will stick around and see how it goes. They certainly won't start a new party in any number.
    Admit it Nick - you’re a trimmer
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    kinabalu said:

    Since nobody is asking -

    Charles is 17 on the Class Test and Starmer is 13.

    That's where 18 is max upper and 6 is salt of.
    Class test?
  • eadric said:

    Yes, it did. Read The Decameron!
    I'm guessing that during the Black Death, the total population of England was less than the modern population of Wuhan?
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    HYUFD said:
    That seems like an effective add, at this stage,

    If this does drag on and Bloomberg spends hundreds of millions on such adds, but Sanders wins the Dem Nomination anyway, it will be very hard if not impossible for him to win in November.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,132

    The governor of Lombardy is in quarantine.
    Trip advisor travel forums are awash with Americans cancelling Italy trips, as well as a few Brits and others. A big hit to the tourist trade there.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567

    I'm guessing that during the Black Death, the total population of England was less than the modern population of Wuhan?
    Estimated at about 3-4 million before hand, and 40-50% mortality. That’s without checking John Hatcher (which is at school).
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302
    Charles said:

    Solidly middle class I’m afraid, sorry to disappoint
    Always makes me laugh me how the upper classes pretend to be middle class. :wink:
    You have to wonder who they think really is upper class?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Nigelb said:

    If America wanted a monarch, they would never have declared independence.
    They have an elected monarch
  • Always makes me laugh me how the upper classes pretend to be middle class. :wink:
    You have to wonder who they think really is upper class?
    Or when the upper middle classes pretend to be working class?

    I've always considered people with a title as upper class.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302
    edited February 2020
    eadric said:

    Way less.

    The point is good. If you could REALLY self isolate during the Black Death, before you were infected, it did give you some protection. I think.
    Clearly, if you "REALLY self isolate" before you are infected, you're not going to get infected. But you might have to self-isolate forever.

    (EDIT: Though on reflection, with the Black Death you'd have needed to self isolate from rats and fleas IIRC.)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    Charles said:

    Solidly middle class I’m afraid, sorry to disappoint
    How many average middle class people went to Eton and Oxford, live in a posh part of central London, have family estates and know half the royal family as you do? Upper landed gentry with trade added on rather than a Dukedom is about as close as you get to middle class
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    eadric said:

    Yes, it did. Read The Decameron!
    My Italian is limited I’m afraid
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    Charles said:

    You’re right. QC MP PC xDPP makes him upper class
    Being upper class is determined by birthrate, you can work your way up to the upper middle class as Starmer has but you can never truly be upper class unless born into it
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Always makes me laugh me how the upper classes pretend to be middle class. :wink:
    You have to wonder who they think really is upper class?
    I work for a living and my family lives in a flat over the shop. Does that make us working class?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,715
    Charles said:

    You’re right. QC MP PC xDPP makes him upper class
    Yep. That's exactly how the British class system works.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Or when the upper middle classes pretend to be working class?

    I've always considered people with a title as upper class.
    If the title predates Lloyd George yes. Otherwise it makes them middle class
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    ydoethur said:

    Estimated at about 3-4 million before hand, and 40-50% mortality. That’s without checking John Hatcher (which is at school).
    Black Death had an 80% mortality rate on some estimates, made coronavirus looked like a slight winter sniffle
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    HYUFD said:

    How many average middle class people went to Eton and Oxford, live in a posh part of central London, have family estates and know half the royal family as you do? Upper landed gentry with trade added on rather than a Dukedom is about as close as you get to middle class
    Shopkeepers made good would be more accurate
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,715
    eadric said:

    Way less.

    The point is good. If you could REALLY self isolate during the Black Death, before you were infected, it did give you some protection. I think.
    Looks like you should move up the road to the Vale of Health.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    Charles said:

    Shopkeepers made good would be more accurate
    You are about as much a shopkeeper as Mohammed Al Fayed
  • Just got back from a week in Colorado, which is a Super Tuesday state. Saw adverts as follows:

    Bloomberg (2 different ones)
    Warren
    Sanders

    My impressions from what I have seen on US TV is as follows:

    - Warren is viscerally offended by Bloomberg's presence in the race.
    - I can't see the democrats voting for a billionaire and Bloomberg is pretty uninspiring
    - Sanders is far more like Corbyn than Boris is like Trump. I can see things going the same way as for Labour if he gets the nomination
    - There's a bit of snark going on between Buttegieg and Klobuchar

    It feels like it might go to the convention unless the DNC can lean on one or more of the moderates to drop out
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited February 2020
    HYUFD said:

    You are about as much a shopkeeper as Mohammed Al Fayed
    I’m not - I work for a bank - but my brother works in the family shop.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567
    HYUFD said:

    Black Death had an 80% mortality rate on some estimates, made coronavirus looked like a slight winter sniffle
    Never seen that high an estimate, although it varied somewhat by area (London had a higher mortality rate than Penkridge). What’s your source for it?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,415
    edited February 2020
    Charles said:

    Solidly middle class I’m afraid, sorry to disappoint
    I thought class was determined by distance from Lords cricket ground, with an exception for Sir Paul McCartney, who will always be a toerag.
  • Or when the upper middle classes pretend to be working class?

    I've always considered people with a title as upper class.
    Or when former public schoolboys pretend to be working class?

    :innocent:
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    HYUFD said:

    How many average middle class people went to Eton and Oxford, live in a posh part of central London, have family estates and know half the royal family as you do? Upper landed gentry with trade added on rather than a Dukedom is about as close as you get to middle class
    You can be very well off and middle class - virtually all americans with money for instance come into this category. But when the money is older than the old lady of Threadneedle :D
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    Why do people of class have none?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,415
    BigRich said:

    That seems like an effective add, at this stage,

    If this does drag on and Bloomberg spends hundreds of millions on such adds, but Sanders wins the Dem Nomination anyway, it will be very hard if not impossible for him to win in November.
    Adverts or no adverts, it will be very hard for Sanders to win in November.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    eadric said:

    There are blue tick Republicans on Twitter seriously declaring that coronavirus is a media conspiracy to stop Trump winning.

    America is crocked

    https://twitter.com/MarshallCohen/status/1232733193175998464?s=19
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,715
    rcs1000 said:

    I thought class was determined by distance from Lords cricket ground, with an exception for Sir Paul McCartney, who will always be a toerag.
    Neighbour of an Astor.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,559
    eadric said:

    God, I bloody love Osea island. The silence and darkness is intense. 90 minutes from London.

    And the bird life is insistent. When you drive along the Roman causeway at dusk, the white birds flee the car lights, like tiny frightened ghosts. And then the shadows thicken.

    OOOOOOhhhhyeah

    You hired the whole thing?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    ydoethur said:

    Never seen that high an estimate, although it varied somewhat by area (London had a higher mortality rate than Penkridge). What’s your source for it?
    Certainly some medieval villages hit an 80% death rate

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/middle_ages/black_01.shtml
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163
    ydoethur said:

    Estimated at about 3-4 million before hand, and 40-50% mortality. That’s without checking John Hatcher (which is at school).
    I always thought it was 40-45%, but I've heard recently that's based on records of deaths of the clergy and there's reason to think they might have suffered a higher mortality rate. Other records suggest a mortality rate of 20-30% for the general population.

    I have a sentimental attachment to the 40-45% range because the probability of rolling 6 or less on two D6 is 41.7%, which you can use to simulate the effect of the Black Death on your nearest and dearest. Which is what I had my daughter do when she was eight.
  • I think I'd defend that if you were actually suspended while they looked into it. Say you were alleged to be a mad anti-semite, and were suspended while it was checked out. It wouldn't make sense if you could simply resign and then rejoin as a fresh new member - they would need to have a look to see if you were a known suspendee.

    I'd be all in favour of clearing you (and Al) now though.

    I have no problem with being investigated - as long as I know it’s happening! I am confident I can make my case, but I need the chance to.

  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121

    Most of the Corbynites I know (like myself) are philosophical about it - we lost, we accept it's time to try someone new, and we hope they won't swing violently right. Unless Starmer goes out of his way to attack them, I think most will stick around and see how it goes. They certainly won't start a new party in any number.
    I still cannot quite understand how the Corbynites added anything other than to herald in possibly 10 years of rampant neoliberalism through their pathetic grandiose posturing of nonsense gesture politicking.,..seriously I hope all the Corbynites fuck off and disappear into some swamp somewhere....
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,715

    I have no problem with being investigated - as long as I know it’s happening! I am confident I can make my case, but I need the chance to.

    Positively Kafka-esque.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302
    Charles said:

    I work for a living and my family lives in a flat over the shop. Does that make us working class?
    No. Even the Queen works for a living.

    Anybody who was privately educated is upper class, end of.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,568
    Foxy said:

    I don't think Chinas age demographics are very different now to our own.

    It is early days in Italy though, and quite a few on ICU.
    Yes, I wondered that. Might be a locality specific thing as well - Wuhan city vs wine growing villages in winter.

    Thinking back, and my memory is hazy, I may even have once, many years ago, got completely blotto at the wine harvest festival in Codogno within the current exclusion zone (as you would) - it was certainly very, very close to that area.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,559
    edited February 2020
    eadric said:

    In late February I appear to be the only guest here. I am certainly the only person in the nine bedroom “Captain’s House”. There must be other people on the island (a few workers live here full time) but they are invisible.

    It is a deliciously eerie feeling.
    A bloody good place to ride out COVID-19. Shoot any potentially snotty bastard that ventures on the causeway....

    Now there's a novel.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163
    eadric said:

    My theory that it comes for politicians, ESPECIALLY (old, male, sociable, handshakers and baby kissers) is looking good.
    The Presidential election might come down to Pence vs whoever Sanders picks for VP on his ticket.

    I did idly wonder what would happen if he picked Warren and they both succumbed.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,132

    I have no problem with being investigated - as long as I know it’s happening! I am confident I can make my case, but I need the chance to.

    Doesn’t sound like an organisation I’d want to be part of.
  • isam said:

    Bring back Grammars and expand assisted places at Fee paying schools? Sounds good

    I can’t argue against grammar schools. I went to one and it was very good for me. The issue is what happens to the 75% or so of kids who don’t get in. There is also a fairness issue. I did not initially get into my school, even though I passed my 11+ and was literally the closest child to it. The second closest applicant didn’t get in either. My Dad fixed lifts, his Dad was a taxi driver. Kids who lived further away, with parents in the professions were accepted, though. We both ended up going because others dropped out and went private instead. That was the 70s, and I doubt things would be as blatant now, but bias is always an issue when there is selection.

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    It’s remarkable why this rule is so hard for some motorists to understand.
    Who cares? There are more important things in life, yet this seems to wind up the leather glove brigade.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121

    No. Even the Queen works for a living.

    Anybody who was privately educated is upper class, end of.
    Seant- one of his wisest bits of advice to me was that a person needs to work....

    Sean was right.....I returned back to work because I needed something to get me through the week...it can be a long time....I get paid a quarter of what I use to earn, maybe less...and I seriously do not need any more money, wealth, capital...I'm trying to divest myself of assets...but work can be fun

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    tyson said:

    I still cannot quite understand how the Corbynites added anything other than to herald in possibly 10 years of rampant neoliberalism through their pathetic grandiose posturing of nonsense gesture politicking.,..seriously I hope all the Corbynites fuck off and disappear into some swamp somewhere....
    Osborne was a neoliberal, Boris is not, even Blair was more neoliberal than Boris
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121
    HYUFD said:

    Osborne was a neoliberal, Boris is not, even Blair was more neoliberal than Boris

    Boris is a rampant neoliberal clothed in a false Keynesian fleece....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    tyson said:


    Boris is a rampant neoliberal clothed in a false Keynesian fleece....
    He isn't, he is now spending more than Blair and borrowing to pay for it
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8036023/Boris-Johnson-spend-Tony-Blair-Chancellors-Budget-pushes-figure-1trillion.html
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    It's coming home
    It's coming home
    It's coming
    Football's coming home

    Liver bird on a shirt
    Old big ears still gleaming
    Thirty years of hurt
    Never stopped me dreaming
    Are you from Liverpool or - like the majority of PB Reds - nothing to do with Merseyside whatsoever?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,559
    eadric said:

    Or maybe an island in Poole Harbour. Or one of the tinier Scilly Isles.

    But for full-on Gothic atmospherics, Osea is almost impossible to beat. The Battle of Maldon took place here (and on the neighbouring isle) - the skulls of Saxon warriors sleep beneath the shingle.

    The oyster beds are Roman. The villa was used for rehabbing Amy Winehouse. There are five species of owl.
    Probably had a Snowy Owl too out there, over the years.

    A crazy amphibian soundtrack too, at this time of the year.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,342
    edited February 2020

    I can’t argue against grammar schools. I went to one and it was very good for me. The issue is what happens to the 75% or so of kids who don’t get in. There is also a fairness issue. I did not initially get into my school, even though I passed my 11+ and was literally the closest child to it. The second closest applicant didn’t get in either. My Dad fixed lifts, his Dad was a taxi driver. Kids who lived further away, with parents in the professions were accepted, though. We both ended up going because others dropped out and went private instead. That was the 70s, and I doubt things would be as blatant now, but bias is always an issue when there is selection.

    The other kids, who don’t get in, go to the kind of schools we have now. Comprehensive school teachers are all supposedly of similar ability, so it shouldn’t make much difference. I’d say the most beneficial effect of a Grammar is to be in an environment where academic ability isn’t seen as something to be ashamed of.

    When I was thinking of being a Kipper candidate, my policy suggestion was to turn the school in the worst part of each constituency into a Grammar to put house prices up as well as give poor kids a better chance
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121
    HYUFD said:

    He isn't, he is now spending more than Blair and borrowing to pay for it
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8036023/Boris-Johnson-spend-Tony-Blair-Chancellors-Budget-pushes-figure-1trillion.html
    One of the great eccentricities of UK politics is how the right wing gloat in bathing in lefty policies (Cameron and civil partnerships), but as soon as a lefty ventures into righty territory (ie Blair with Iraq) they get absolutely fucking hammered....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    edited February 2020
    I see Grant Shapps is on Peston, apparently one of the lots up at the £1000 a ticket Tories Black and White Ball last night was to fly in a Lancaster Bomber with Shapps
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/brexit-day-coins-sell-for-c2-a360k-at-tory-black-and-white-ball/ar-BB10q8mx
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163

    Who cares? There are more important things in life, yet this seems to wind up the leather glove brigade.
    It's a sign that the driver responsible isn't paying enough attention to be safe enough on the road and it's so easy to get right, quite apart from the inherent rudeness of it.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,342
    eadric said:

    Or maybe an island in Poole Harbour. Or one of the tinier Scilly Isles.

    But for full-on Gothic atmospherics, Osea is almost impossible to beat. The Battle of Maldon took place here (and on the neighbouring isle) - the skulls of Saxon warriors sleep beneath the shingle.

    The oyster beds are Roman. The villa was used for rehabbing Amy Winehouse. There are five species of owl.
    My girlfriends mates parents live in nearby Mersea... they’re from Hong Kong, they are going back for a family funeral next week... and I’m scared of the kids playing together in the near future!
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