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TheGreenMachine said:

@TheScreamingEagles

Mary Lou is actually decent.

rcs1000 said:

rottenborough said:

rcs1000 said:

speedy2 said:

rcs1000 said:

If you're polling sub 10% in the national polls (as Klobuchar certainly is, and Buttigieg is quite close), then you're not going to get many delegates, if any. Then you have zero influence. You're an expired parrot.

If you turn up to Bloomberg or Sanders now, offering your support, then you can pretty much name your cabinet position.

We are getting deep into the primaries now, in just 26 days it will be mostly all over.

There is no incentive for anyone who survived till now, to simply drop out now when the finish line is so close.

There is a massive incentive: a cabinet level position vs obscurity.

But they are then betting on Bloomberg or Sanders. Hmmm...

Keep going and hope for contested. Your leverage is surely way more at the convention.

Unless you are going to have 50 or 100 delegates, then how much leverage do you have?

BluestBlue said:

MarqueeMark said:

IanB2 said:

rcs1000 said:

kle4 said:

TOPPING said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

As a PB Leaver, I am officially happy to declare that Priti Patel should not be given an automatic peerage upon leaving office, until all bullying allegations have been fully investigated.

Noted. I will pause however while you gather together an appropriate slew of insults against her of the type that were deployed against Bercow when those allegations emerged.

Patel, though much derided for many past statements and beliefs, has far fewer rememberable instances of or a public persona focused on belittling people (deservedly or otherwise) which make it easy to believe accusations. That said I can easily believe she is a bully, but for general purposes there is less to go on for a casual observer than with Bercow (though she has other flaws which he does not have as compensation). I hope any bully gets suitable comeuppance and that if she is one that will be her fate, but lacking the lead in time of the Bercow stuff (in addition to the political angle against him and for her) it is not going to be an identical reaction and without a smoking gun will probably take more time to have any effect. After all, there was no effect on Bercow while in office, and its not certain there will be now.

Perhaps unfairly, she reminds me of Ségolène Royal, who also had a reputation as a bit of a bully when she was the Environment Minister in France.

I suspect that Patel is the sort of minister that struggles to convince her officials through argument or evidence and is forced back to relying on pulling rank, which won’t endear her to them and can easily turn toward bullying.

I suspect that Patel is the sort of minister that struggles with a smarmy Sir Humphrey type who says "We don't do things that way here, Minister...."

"YA FOOKIN' DO NOW...."

*Exit Sir Humphrey stage left, with an attack of the vapours....*

Priti Patel is Tory-Not-So-Secret-Weapon No.1: the anti-Abbott, if you will.

I can't wait to find out what limp biscuit the new Labour leadership puts up to shadow her next

rottenborough said:

BluestBlue said:

MarqueeMark said:

IanB2 said:

rcs1000 said:

kle4 said:

TOPPING said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

As a PB Leaver, I am officially happy to declare that Priti Patel should not be given an automatic peerage upon leaving office, until all bullying allegations have been fully investigated.

Noted. I will pause however while you gather together an appropriate slew of insults against her of the type that were deployed against Bercow when those allegations emerged.

Patel, though much derided for many past statements and beliefs, has far fewer rememberable instances of or a public persona focused on belittling people (deservedly or otherwise) which make it easy to believe accusations. That said I can easily believe she is a bully, but for general purposes there is less to go on for a casual observer than with Bercow (though she has other flaws which he does not have as compensation). I hope any bully gets suitable comeuppance and that if she is one that will be her fate, but lacking the lead in time of the Bercow stuff (in addition to the political angle against him and for her) it is not going to be an identical reaction and without a smoking gun will probably take more time to have any effect. After all, there was no effect on Bercow while in office, and its not certain there will be now.

Perhaps unfairly, she reminds me of Ségolène Royal, who also had a reputation as a bit of a bully when she was the Environment Minister in France.

I suspect that Patel is the sort of minister that struggles to convince her officials through argument or evidence and is forced back to relying on pulling rank, which won’t endear her to them and can easily turn toward bullying.

I suspect that Patel is the sort of minister that struggles with a smarmy Sir Humphrey type who says "We don't do things that way here, Minister...."

"YA FOOKIN' DO NOW...."

*Exit Sir Humphrey stage left, with an attack of the vapours....*

Priti Patel is Tory-Not-So-Secret-Weapon No.1: the anti-Abbott, if you will.

I can't wait to find out what limp biscuit the new Labour leadership puts up to shadow her next

Yvette.

rottenborough said:

Just in case you thought modern life was difficult.

https://twitter.com/RealTimeWWII/status/1230614374433461

rottenborough said:

Every day seems to be another day closer to Trump's next term, as Dem idiots move towards Sanders.

StuartDickson said:

Swedish police announce that they have solved the 1986 murder of prime minister Olof Palme (Social Democrat) in Stockholm.

34 years! What is the record for solving old criminal mysteries?

StuartDickson said:

Swedish police announce that they have solved the 1986 murder of prime minister Olof Palme (Social Democrat) in Stockholm.

34 years! What is the record for solving old criminal mysteries?

rottenborough said:

Even if this chap spoke slowly I doubt I could understand the point. But I think he's saying Lansman is no longer one of us.

https://twitter.com/Cornish_Damo/status/1230571185487908865

MarqueeMark said:

ydoethur said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

CatMan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

From another PB.

If Bill Clinton was able to run for President again, he'd have been the second youngest man in the Democratic debate last night.

https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1230603615297036299

The American Civil War wasn't that long ago though. I mean, this guy remembers it, and he was interviewed on TV!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RPoymt3Jx4

It ended 155 years ago.

9 years after the Crimean War ended, and 50 years after Napoleon's final defeat at Waterloo.

Actually five and a half years before Napoleon’s final defeat at Sedan.

Oh sorry, not that Napoleon?

Beware cheap imitations....

StuartDickson said:

Swedish police announce that they have solved the 1986 murder of prime minister Olof Palme (Social Democrat) in Stockholm.

34 years! What is the record for solving old criminal mysteries?

rottenborough said:

Have we mentioned Sanders is at 30 on the latest NV poll

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/nevada/

rottenborough said:

Priti Patel's fury at official blocking police from eco mob crackdown as Home Secretary says staff are dragging their feet on tougher action just days after officers let Extinction Rebellion tear up Cambridge lawn

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8026547/Priti-Patels-fury-official-blocking-police-eco-mob-crackdown.html

AlastairMeeks said:

TheGreenMachine said:

StuartDickson said:

Swedish police announce that they have solved the 1986 murder of prime minister Olof Palme (Social Democrat) in Stockholm.

34 years! What is the record for solving old criminal mysteries?

At least they got him, Sweden doesn't seem like the kind of place where they would murder politicians.

It is. Anna Lindh was killed too.

YBarddCwsc said:

Foxy said:

rottenborough said:

Priti Patel's fury at official blocking police from eco mob crackdown as Home Secretary says staff are dragging their feet on tougher action just days after officers let Extinction Rebellion tear up Cambridge lawn

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8026547/Priti-Patels-fury-official-blocking-police-eco-mob-crackdown.html

Remember the last time plod cracked down on ER?

It nearly didn't end as planned...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/06/extinction-rebellion-protesters-set-million-pound-pay-plot-general/

Of course, the whole plan of civil disobedience is to get arrested, and clog up police and courts. Indeed I am rather inclined to have some fun at COP26 myself this autumn.

Digging up the lawn was an exceptionally stupid thing to do.

The lawn was a wild flower lawn. The wild flowers bloom in the spring and summer and cause delight, as well as providing a haven for insects.

Typical of a smirking LibDem to approve such a crass, utterly pointless and nihilistic action.

kle4 said:

Eh, things are going fine
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1230635983261044736
(I know, it's only a local by-election, all in good fun)

YBarddCwsc said:

Foxy said:

YBarddCwsc said:

Foxy said:

rottenborough said:

Priti Patel's fury at official blocking police from eco mob crackdown as Home Secretary says staff are dragging their feet on tougher action just days after officers let Extinction Rebellion tear up Cambridge lawn

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8026547/Priti-Patels-fury-official-blocking-police-eco-mob-crackdown.html

Remember the last time plod cracked down on ER?

It nearly didn't end as planned...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/06/extinction-rebellion-protesters-set-million-pound-pay-plot-general/

Of course, the whole plan of civil disobedience is to get arrested, and clog up police and courts. Indeed I am rather inclined to have some fun at COP26 myself this autumn.

Digging up the lawn was an exceptionally stupid thing to do.

The lawn was a wild flower lawn. The wild flowers bloom in the spring and summer and cause delight, as well as providing a haven for insects.

Typical of a smirking LibDem to approve such a crass, utterly pointless and nihilistic action.

No, I think it was a daft thing for ER to do. There are far better things to protest at, the right to protest being fundamental in a democracy, whether suffragettes or civil rights marchers.

Daft is the wrong adjective. it suggests a kind of silly harmlessness.

The lawn was not a typical manicured Cambridge college grass lawn.

It was purposefully kept like a meadow & sown with spring and summer wild flowers.

Foxy said:

YBarddCwsc said:

Foxy said:

YBarddCwsc said:

Foxy said:

rottenborough said:

Priti Patel's fury at official blocking police from eco mob crackdown as Home Secretary says staff are dragging their feet on tougher action just days after officers let Extinction Rebellion tear up Cambridge lawn

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8026547/Priti-Patels-fury-official-blocking-police-eco-mob-crackdown.html

Remember the last time plod cracked down on ER?

It nearly didn't end as planned...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/06/extinction-rebellion-protesters-set-million-pound-pay-plot-general/

Of course, the whole plan of civil disobedience is to get arrested, and clog up police and courts. Indeed I am rather inclined to have some fun at COP26 myself this autumn.

Digging up the lawn was an exceptionally stupid thing to do.

The lawn was a wild flower lawn. The wild flowers bloom in the spring and summer and cause delight, as well as providing a haven for insects.

Typical of a smirking LibDem to approve such a crass, utterly pointless and nihilistic action.

No, I think it was a daft thing for ER to do. There are far better things to protest at, the right to protest being fundamental in a democracy, whether suffragettes or civil rights marchers.

Daft is the wrong adjective. it suggests a kind of silly harmlessness.

The lawn was not a typical manicured Cambridge college grass lawn.

It was purposefully kept like a meadow & sown with spring and summer wild flowers.

It will be interesting to see how many Cambridge colleges decide to disinvest in fossil fuels.

YBarddCwsc said:

YBarddCwsc said:

LostPassword said:

I think that whenever you try to do something you will make mistakes. I think it is a mistake, in this instance, for you to reduce a large political movement to the merits or otherwise of one action of that movement by a small number of its adherents - but I'll try not to judge you for making that mistake.

ER blocked several roads in Cambridge. A friend of mine's seven-year old daughter was prevented from getting to her primary school on bike by them. She was not allowed to use the road.

ER then dug up a wild flower lawn.

ER are not making isolated single mistakes. They are making a catalogue of grievous, unforced and systematic blunders that are annoying many people who might instinctively support them and doing the environmental cause huge and possibly irretrievable damage.

And further the attempt by ER to disrupt and hijack the democratically elected Cambridge Council and argue that it should be replaced by a Citizens Assembly is fundamentally despotic.

Cambridge doesn't need citizens' assemblies. It has an elected (Labour) City Council, an elected (Tory) County Council and there is a directly elected mayor (Tory) for the region and a directly elected Labour MP.

Here is a snippet from the local press: "Where we live we are facing chaos and gridlock from the XR blockade. My husband is disabled and has no option but to use a car or taxi if he needs to go out."

kle4 said:

Eh, things are going fine
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1230635983261044736
(I know, it's only a local by-election, all in good fun)

edmundintokyo said:

Mayor Pete playing the Cory Booker Gambit

https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1230608324183416832?s=19

rcs1000 said:

Gabs3 said:

Foxy said:

YBarddCwsc said:

Foxy said:

YBarddCwsc said:

Foxy said:

rottenborough said:

Priti Patel's fury at official blocking police from eco mob crackdown as Home Secretary says staff are dragging their feet on tougher action just days after officers let Extinction Rebellion tear up Cambridge lawn

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8026547/Priti-Patels-fury-official-blocking-police-eco-mob-crackdown.html

Remember the last time plod cracked down on ER?

It nearly didn't end as planned...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/06/extinction-rebellion-protesters-set-million-pound-pay-plot-general/

Of course, the whole plan of civil disobedience is to get arrested, and clog up police and courts. Indeed I am rather inclined to have some fun at COP26 myself this autumn.

Digging up the lawn was an exceptionally stupid thing to do.

The lawn was a wild flower lawn. The wild flowers bloom in the spring and summer and cause delight, as well as providing a haven for insects.

Typical of a smirking LibDem to approve such a crass, utterly pointless and nihilistic action.

No, I think it was a daft thing for ER to do. There are far better things to protest at, the right to protest being fundamental in a democracy, whether suffragettes or civil rights marchers.

Daft is the wrong adjective. it suggests a kind of silly harmlessness.

The lawn was not a typical manicured Cambridge college grass lawn.

It was purposefully kept like a meadow & sown with spring and summer wild flowers.

It will be interesting to see how many Cambridge colleges decide to disinvest in fossil fuels.

Disinvestment just hands the return to less scrupulous investors. The only things that genuinely hurts fossil fuel companies in a major way is to tax them more and buy less of their products.

Well, technically disinvestment raises the cost of capital for these firms. As they're all capital intensive, it does have an impact.

However, you are absolutely correct that taxation and/or lower demand are much bigger ways to lower fossil fuel use.

Endillion said:

Gabs3 said:

rcs1000 said:

Gabs3 said:

Foxy said:

YBarddCwsc said:

Foxy said:

YBarddCwsc said:

Foxy said:

rottenborough said:

Priti Patel's fury at official blocking police from eco mob crackdown as Home Secretary says staff are dragging their feet on tougher action just days after officers let Extinction Rebellion tear up Cambridge lawn

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8026547/Priti-Patels-fury-official-blocking-police-eco-mob-crackdown.html

Remember the last time plod cracked down on ER?

It nearly didn't end as planned...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/06/extinction-rebellion-protesters-set-million-pound-pay-plot-general/

Of course, the whole plan of civil disobedience is to get arrested, and clog up police and courts. Indeed I am rather inclined to have some fun at COP26 myself this autumn.

Digging up the lawn was an exceptionally stupid thing to do.

The lawn was a wild flower lawn. The wild flowers bloom in the spring and summer and cause delight, as well as providing a haven for insects.

Typical of a smirking LibDem to approve such a crass, utterly pointless and nihilistic action.

No, I think it was a daft thing for ER to do. There are far better things to protest at, the right to protest being fundamental in a democracy, whether suffragettes or civil rights marchers.

Daft is the wrong adjective. it suggests a kind of silly harmlessness.

The lawn was not a typical manicured Cambridge college grass lawn.

It was purposefully kept like a meadow & sown with spring and summer wild flowers.

It will be interesting to see how many Cambridge colleges decide to disinvest in fossil fuels.

Disinvestment just hands the return to less scrupulous investors. The only things that genuinely hurts fossil fuel companies in a major way is to tax them more and buy less of their products.

Well, technically disinvestment raises the cost of capital for these firms. As they're all capital intensive, it does have an impact.

However, you are absolutely correct that taxation and/or lower demand are much bigger ways to lower fossil fuel use.

I suspect the market is liquid enough that any increase in capital cost is invisibly small.

The oil market is more liquid than the coal market. Depending on the temperature and pressure, naturally.

Gabs3 said:

I suspect the market is liquid enough that any increase in capital cost is invisibly small.