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Probably. The only use I have for Brexit is its possible entertainment value, but I would not be surprised if it failed on that front as well....rottenborough said:
Fighting the EU over ECJ will only boost Johnson's poll ratings I suspect.Beibheirli_C said:
I am looking forward to Boris crashing into reality.Richard_Nabavi said:It really is a funny old world. All those Brexiteers such as Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg, who spent ages telling us how totally unacceptable it was having the ECJ having jurisdiction over internal UK affairs, have signed up to a legal agreement giving the ECJ direct jurisdiction over internal UK affairs:
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1228345212541423616
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I can't decide if Johnson had no idea what he signed up to, has never had any intention of meeting his contractual obligations, or simply doesn't care about a constituent country of the United Kingdom.
Possibly all three.
None of these alternatives reflect well on Johnson.Richard_Nabavi said:It really is a funny old world. All those Brexiteers such as Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg, who spent ages telling us how totally unacceptable it was having the ECJ having jurisdiction over internal UK affairs, have signed up to a legal agreement giving the ECJ direct jurisdiction over internal UK affairs:
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There are some demonstrating correlation:Malmesbury said:
Smoking is definitely correlated with vulnerability to infections involving the lungs. Not sure about air pollution - that would sound likely (at the levels in some Chinese cities and the hideous toxins in some places), but I can't recall having seen any medical studies.alterego said:
I seem to recall someone on here suggesting that air pollution might be a factor which I thought at the time seemed plausible.speedy2 said:
3 deaths, which is very interesting on it's own, because it's only 0.5% of those infected so far, unlike 2.2% in China.Mysticrose said:
There have been ?2 deaths outside mainland China so far?speedy2 said:
Since it transmits like the common cold or at best tuberculosis but much deadlier, the risks are very high.Philip_Thompson said:
100% of MPs catching the illness seems a tad unlikely does it not?speedy2 said:
And I half joked to HYUFD in an attempt to convince him of the seriousness of the situation, that there will be 13 by-elections this year due to deaths from coronavirus if it gets out of hand.TheScreamingEagles said:Crikey. This has the potential to affect all MPs.
https://twitter.com/leedsnews/status/1228323967452184577?s=21
https://twitter.com/radioairenews/status/1228324460501127168?s=21
What was the last illness to strike 100% of a population?
So either China is lying about the number of infected, or a number of deaths outside of China has been missed, or it takes many weeks for some to die so the numbers are lagging, or there is an unknown medical reason.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6394122/
Ironically, the economic shock of coronavirus has led to considerably improvement in air quality in Chinese urban centres in the last month.0 -
It might be important if anyone in govt cared about or could be trusted to care about itAlastairMeeks said:What looks like an important thread on the Irish backstop:
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Spunking public money up the wall, picking winners, taking industries into public ownership, a President being impeached, Europe in the news, the US upending the international order. Looks like Edward Heath finally beat Margaret Thatcher...DecrepiterJohnL said:
The gnomes of Zurich are back!rottenborough said:
So, not rich people moving their gold out of the country before Corbyn arrived?Gallowgate said:
Very interesting thank you.kle4 said:This seems like a curious story about gold exports
https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/12282793253440512000 -
At some point an immovable object and an irresistible force meet over the Irish border thing. But even now it still keeps being put back.Beibheirli_C said:
It might be important if anyone in govt cared about or could be trusted to care about itAlastairMeeks said:What looks like an important thread on the Irish backstop:
https://twitter.com/tconnellyrte/status/1228345212541423616?s=21
But it must happen sometime mustn't it, especially as Boris has clearly indicated the FTA route rather than alignment.
So far as I can see the only real solution is a united Ireland. Which feels to be a little way down the tracks at the moment.
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I'd imagine the blue team will pinch lock, stock and barrel Labour's proposals for including assets in the accounts, along with most of the rest of its platform. #WonTheArgument #LostTheElection.BluestBlue said:
Exactly how loose would our fiscal rules have to be before we reached the epic slackness promised in the Labour manifesto?rottenborough said:Javid, a former banker, is politically cautious and has warned there are risks if the Tory Party, which likes to contrast its prudence with Labour profligacy, abandons the fiscal rules designed to keep a grip on budgets.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8002067/SIMON-WALTERS-Cabinet-reshuffle-crushing-enemies-Dominic-Cummingss-masterplan.html
Quite what this means for the next few years, I am not sure, but it will be amusing to watch pb Tories cheering on Boris as he shakes the magic money tree to nationalise jam factories, allotments and manhole covers, while pb Lefties condemn him for declaring war on public school and Oxbridge SpAds. If Saj Rishi Dom does it right then economic growth will accelerate. If not then Brexit-imposed losses will dominate.0 -
Tories cheering deficit spending just like Republicans are doing in US.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I'd imagine the blue team will pinch lock, stock and barrel Labour's proposals for including assets in the accounts, along with most of the rest of its platform. #WonTheArgument #LostTheElection.BluestBlue said:
Exactly how loose would our fiscal rules have to be before we reached the epic slackness promised in the Labour manifesto?rottenborough said:Javid, a former banker, is politically cautious and has warned there are risks if the Tory Party, which likes to contrast its prudence with Labour profligacy, abandons the fiscal rules designed to keep a grip on budgets.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8002067/SIMON-WALTERS-Cabinet-reshuffle-crushing-enemies-Dominic-Cummingss-masterplan.html
Quite what this means for the next few years, I am not sure, but it will be amusing to watch pb Tories cheering on Boris as he shakes the magic money tree to nationalise jam factories, allotments and manhole covers, while pb Lefties condemn him for declaring war on public school and Oxbridge SpAds. If Saj Rishi Dom does it right then economic growth will accelerate. If not then Brexit-imposed losses will dominate.0 -
As to the toe curling Wolf Cub dyb dyb dyb dob dob dob stuff (anyone remember that?), Boris has to win elections not please political anoraks (like me) and PBers generally. So far he has proved good at that. Considering the alternative outcome I think we shall just have to put up with it.Beibheirli_C said:
I have no idea. I stopped going to strange places like that when my parents decided I was too old to force me to go...SandyRentool said:
"One Solution"Beibheirli_C said:
Church services? The priest yells out some stuff and the audience mutter the approved response...OldKingCole said:
I don't think I've been anywhere where 'call and response' has been used in any sort of management situation since I left the Boy Scouts 65 or so years ago.kle4 said:
Hes done it several times in a short period, which us why its gratingPhilip_Thompson said:Johnson is far from the only leader who has used 'call and response' as irritating, juvenile and absurd as it is.
Its been frequently used at PMQs in the past hasn't it? I seem to recall all of Cameron, Milliband and Corbyn doing it - not sure if May did.
"Revolution"
Is that just the Methodists?
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I wouldn't be so sure:Philip_Thompson said:
I suspect its more simple than that. Those catching it outside China are largely fit and well so more likely to survive, plus they're getting expert medical care.rpjs said:
I suspect that in the early days in China the virus was spreading fast with little understanding of quarantine and treatment, so if you caught it then and didn't get good treatment early on you're probably far more likely to die. Now anyone confirmed is getting treated right from the start and so the death toll is hugely reduced.Philip_Thompson said:
Or the Chinese medical system is failing.speedy2 said:
3 deaths, which is very interesting on it's own, because it's only 0.5% of those infected so far, unlike 2.2% in China.Mysticrose said:
There have been ?2 deaths outside mainland China so far?speedy2 said:
Since it transmits like the common cold or at best tuberculosis but much deadlier, the risks are very high.Philip_Thompson said:
100% of MPs catching the illness seems a tad unlikely does it not?speedy2 said:
And I half joked to HYUFD in an attempt to convince him of the seriousness of the situation, that there will be 13 by-elections this year due to deaths from coronavirus if it gets out of hand.TheScreamingEagles said:Crikey. This has the potential to affect all MPs.
https://twitter.com/leedsnews/status/1228323967452184577?s=21
https://twitter.com/radioairenews/status/1228324460501127168?s=21
What was the last illness to strike 100% of a population?
So either China is lying about the number of infected, or a number of deaths outside of China has been missed, or it takes many weeks for some to die so the numbers are lagging, or there is an unknown medical reason.
Or the virus has spread beyond healthy travellers to the already sick and infirm in China.
If this became a pandemic in this country with the virus spreading through hospitals and care homes I'd expect the mortality rate would be well above 0.5% - but so long as its restricted to a few fit and healthy people its not too troubling.
https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1227692578633588736?s=19
On the other hand paediatric cases seem quite rare, which is surely good news.
1 700 infected health care workers with 6 fatalities out of 55 000 cases despite protective equipment shows how transmissable it is.0 -
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It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the countryDecrepiterJohnL said:
I'd imagine the blue team will pinch lock, stock and barrel Labour's proposals for including assets in the accounts, along with most of the rest of its platform. #WonTheArgument #LostTheElection.BluestBlue said:
Exactly how loose would our fiscal rules have to be before we reached the epic slackness promised in the Labour manifesto?rottenborough said:Javid, a former banker, is politically cautious and has warned there are risks if the Tory Party, which likes to contrast its prudence with Labour profligacy, abandons the fiscal rules designed to keep a grip on budgets.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8002067/SIMON-WALTERS-Cabinet-reshuffle-crushing-enemies-Dominic-Cummingss-masterplan.html
Quite what this means for the next few years, I am not sure, but it will be amusing to watch pb Tories cheering on Boris as he shakes the magic money tree to nationalise jam factories, allotments and manhole covers, while pb Lefties condemn him for declaring war on public school and Oxbridge SpAds. If Saj Rishi Dom does it right then economic growth will accelerate. If not then Brexit-imposed losses will dominate.2 -
They would not be missedPhilip_Thompson said:
If an MP gets coronavirus then will they have to shut the Commons down for a fortnight? An MP who has attended PMQs or voted in the lobbies could have come into contact with the rest of the Commons surely?TheScreamingEagles said:Crikey. This has the potential to affect all MPs.
https://twitter.com/leedsnews/status/1228323967452184577?s=21
https://twitter.com/radioairenews/status/1228324460501127168?s=210 -
Bunch of lickspittle arse lickers he has assembled, they get just what they deserve. Bring out the tumbrils.OldKingCole said:
The Cabinet looked embarrassed. Or at least most of them did.kle4 said:
Unless people are primed to respond with a correct answer, with sufficient enthusiasm, it's a very bad idea as it just comes of as silly, stupid, and even as an intended moment of shared embarrassment bonding it falls flat. Woe betide the person doing it and no one responds, or its very half hearted (as it usually is) and they act like they never expected such a thing to happen, and from that point on trying to phony up some more enthusiasm is just sad.OldKingCole said:
I don't think I've been anywhere where 'call and response' has been used in any sort of management situation since I left the Boy Scouts 65 or so years ago.kle4 said:
Hes done it several times in a short period, which us why its gratingPhilip_Thompson said:Johnson is far from the only leader who has used 'call and response' as irritating, juvenile and absurd as it is.
Its been frequently used at PMQs in the past hasn't it? I seem to recall all of Cameron, Milliband and Corbyn doing it - not sure if May did.0 -
Indeed the whingewfest has continued apace today with the whiners not remotely embarrassed by their double standards. They aslo show a staggering lack of understanding of the prime purpose of the Conservative party.isam said:.
It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the countryDecrepiterJohnL said:
I'd imagine the blue team will pinch lock, stock and barrel Labour's proposals for including assets in the accounts, along with most of the rest of its platform. #WonTheArgument #LostTheElection.BluestBlue said:
Exactly how loose would our fiscal rules have to be before we reached the epic slackness promised in the Labour manifesto?rottenborough said:Javid, a former banker, is politically cautious and has warned there are risks if the Tory Party, which likes to contrast its prudence with Labour profligacy, abandons the fiscal rules designed to keep a grip on budgets.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8002067/SIMON-WALTERS-Cabinet-reshuffle-crushing-enemies-Dominic-Cummingss-masterplan.html
Quite what this means for the next few years, I am not sure, but it will be amusing to watch pb Tories cheering on Boris as he shakes the magic money tree to nationalise jam factories, allotments and manhole covers, while pb Lefties condemn him for declaring war on public school and Oxbridge SpAds. If Saj Rishi Dom does it right then economic growth will accelerate. If not then Brexit-imposed losses will dominate.1 -
It's like football or Israel/Palestine. It's just more interesting if you pick a side.isam said:.
It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the countryDecrepiterJohnL said:
I'd imagine the blue team will pinch lock, stock and barrel Labour's proposals for including assets in the accounts, along with most of the rest of its platform. #WonTheArgument #LostTheElection.BluestBlue said:
Exactly how loose would our fiscal rules have to be before we reached the epic slackness promised in the Labour manifesto?rottenborough said:Javid, a former banker, is politically cautious and has warned there are risks if the Tory Party, which likes to contrast its prudence with Labour profligacy, abandons the fiscal rules designed to keep a grip on budgets.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8002067/SIMON-WALTERS-Cabinet-reshuffle-crushing-enemies-Dominic-Cummingss-masterplan.html
Quite what this means for the next few years, I am not sure, but it will be amusing to watch pb Tories cheering on Boris as he shakes the magic money tree to nationalise jam factories, allotments and manhole covers, while pb Lefties condemn him for declaring war on public school and Oxbridge SpAds. If Saj Rishi Dom does it right then economic growth will accelerate. If not then Brexit-imposed losses will dominate.
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Why the SNP waste their time in Westminster amazes me. They should boycott the place and get the MP's out canvassing and spending the cash in Scotland.Philip_Thompson said:
LOL! Wouldn't meet Quorum rules unfortunately. Maybe the SNP should self-isolate until this happens then spring into motion, they could reach Parliaments quoromMarqueeMark said:
Don't worry, Sinn Fein will ride to the rescue to keep Parliament running......Philip_Thompson said:
If an MP gets coronavirus then will they have to shut the Commons down for a fortnight? An MP who has attended PMQs or voted in the lobbies could have come into contact with the rest of the Commons surely?TheScreamingEagles said:Crikey. This has the potential to affect all MPs.
https://twitter.com/leedsnews/status/1228323967452184577?s=21
https://twitter.com/radioairenews/status/1228324460501127168?s=210 -
Or how poor safety practice is. Or how unavailable PPE is. Many, many possible explanations.Foxy said:
I wouldn't be so sure:Philip_Thompson said:
I suspect its more simple than that. Those catching it outside China are largely fit and well so more likely to survive, plus they're getting expert medical care.rpjs said:
I suspect that in the early days in China the virus was spreading fast with little understanding of quarantine and treatment, so if you caught it then and didn't get good treatment early on you're probably far more likely to die. Now anyone confirmed is getting treated right from the start and so the death toll is hugely reduced.Philip_Thompson said:
Or the Chinese medical system is failing.speedy2 said:
3 deaths, which is very interesting on it's own, because it's only 0.5% of those infected so far, unlike 2.2% in China.Mysticrose said:
There have been ?2 deaths outside mainland China so far?speedy2 said:
Since it transmits like the common cold or at best tuberculosis but much deadlier, the risks are very high.Philip_Thompson said:
100% of MPs catching the illness seems a tad unlikely does it not?speedy2 said:
And I half joked to HYUFD in an attempt to convince him of the seriousness of the situation, that there will be 13 by-elections this year due to deaths from coronavirus if it gets out of hand.TheScreamingEagles said:Crikey. This has the potential to affect all MPs.
https://twitter.com/leedsnews/status/1228323967452184577?s=21
https://twitter.com/radioairenews/status/1228324460501127168?s=21
What was the last illness to strike 100% of a population?
So either China is lying about the number of infected, or a number of deaths outside of China has been missed, or it takes many weeks for some to die so the numbers are lagging, or there is an unknown medical reason.
Or the virus has spread beyond healthy travellers to the already sick and infirm in China.
If this became a pandemic in this country with the virus spreading through hospitals and care homes I'd expect the mortality rate would be well above 0.5% - but so long as its restricted to a few fit and healthy people its not too troubling.
https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1227692578633588736?s=19
On the other hand paediatric cases seem quite rare, which is surely good news.
1 700 infected health care workers with 6 fatalities out of 55 000 cases despite protective equipment shows how transmissable it is.0 -
Indeed. But not me. I will be retaining my customary integrity. As a Hard Left Social Democrat I have always set great store by prudence in the public finances. I'm a sound money man through and through. So if this Conservative government under Boris Johnson abandons all semblance of fiscal discipline I will be down on them like a ton of bricks.isam said:It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the country
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On smoking and air quality, the Chinese have succeeded in recreating the atmosphere of the UK in the 1950s. Quite literally.Nigelb said:
There are some demonstrating correlation:Malmesbury said:
Smoking is definitely correlated with vulnerability to infections involving the lungs. Not sure about air pollution - that would sound likely (at the levels in some Chinese cities and the hideous toxins in some places), but I can't recall having seen any medical studies.alterego said:
I seem to recall someone on here suggesting that air pollution might be a factor which I thought at the time seemed plausible.speedy2 said:
3 deaths, which is very interesting on it's own, because it's only 0.5% of those infected so far, unlike 2.2% in China.Mysticrose said:
There have been ?2 deaths outside mainland China so far?speedy2 said:
Since it transmits like the common cold or at best tuberculosis but much deadlier, the risks are very high.Philip_Thompson said:
100% of MPs catching the illness seems a tad unlikely does it not?speedy2 said:
And I half joked to HYUFD in an attempt to convince him of the seriousness of the situation, that there will be 13 by-elections this year due to deaths from coronavirus if it gets out of hand.TheScreamingEagles said:Crikey. This has the potential to affect all MPs.
https://twitter.com/leedsnews/status/1228323967452184577?s=21
https://twitter.com/radioairenews/status/1228324460501127168?s=21
What was the last illness to strike 100% of a population?
So either China is lying about the number of infected, or a number of deaths outside of China has been missed, or it takes many weeks for some to die so the numbers are lagging, or there is an unknown medical reason.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6394122/
Ironically, the economic shock of coronavirus has led to considerably improvement in air quality in Chinese urban centres in the last month.0 -
So it seems!Dura_Ace said:
It's like football or Israel/Palestine. It's just more interesting if you pick a side.isam said:.
It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the countryDecrepiterJohnL said:
I'd imagine the blue team will pinch lock, stock and barrel Labour's proposals for including assets in the accounts, along with most of the rest of its platform. #WonTheArgument #LostTheElection.BluestBlue said:
Exactly how loose would our fiscal rules have to be before we reached the epic slackness promised in the Labour manifesto?rottenborough said:Javid, a former banker, is politically cautious and has warned there are risks if the Tory Party, which likes to contrast its prudence with Labour profligacy, abandons the fiscal rules designed to keep a grip on budgets.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8002067/SIMON-WALTERS-Cabinet-reshuffle-crushing-enemies-Dominic-Cummingss-masterplan.html
Quite what this means for the next few years, I am not sure, but it will be amusing to watch pb Tories cheering on Boris as he shakes the magic money tree to nationalise jam factories, allotments and manhole covers, while pb Lefties condemn him for declaring war on public school and Oxbridge SpAds. If Saj Rishi Dom does it right then economic growth will accelerate. If not then Brexit-imposed losses will dominate.0 -
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It's 10 or so years since I was in Beijing, but the air quality was worse than I recalled from Manchester in the 60's.Malmesbury said:
On smoking and air quality, the Chinese have succeeded in recreating the atmosphere of the UK in the 1950s. Quite literally.Nigelb said:
There are some demonstrating correlation:Malmesbury said:
Smoking is definitely correlated with vulnerability to infections involving the lungs. Not sure about air pollution - that would sound likely (at the levels in some Chinese cities and the hideous toxins in some places), but I can't recall having seen any medical studies.alterego said:
I seem to recall someone on here suggesting that air pollution might be a factor which I thought at the time seemed plausible.speedy2 said:
3 deaths, which is very interesting on it's own, because it's only 0.5% of those infected so far, unlike 2.2% in China.Mysticrose said:
There have been ?2 deaths outside mainland China so far?speedy2 said:
Since it transmits like the common cold or at best tuberculosis but much deadlier, the risks are very high.Philip_Thompson said:
100% of MPs catching the illness seems a tad unlikely does it not?speedy2 said:
And I half joked to HYUFD in an attempt to convince him of the seriousness of the situation, that there will be 13 by-elections this year due to deaths from coronavirus if it gets out of hand.TheScreamingEagles said:Crikey. This has the potential to affect all MPs.
https://twitter.com/leedsnews/status/1228323967452184577?s=21
https://twitter.com/radioairenews/status/1228324460501127168?s=21
What was the last illness to strike 100% of a population?
So either China is lying about the number of infected, or a number of deaths outside of China has been missed, or it takes many weeks for some to die so the numbers are lagging, or there is an unknown medical reason.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6394122/
Ironically, the economic shock of coronavirus has led to considerably improvement in air quality in Chinese urban centres in the last month.0 -
This article implies the "leaks" ahead of the budget claiming the Tories were going to introduce a mansion tax and make a raid on pensions was part of a Cummings black ops to discredit Javid and his advisors.
Plausible.0 -
As a left-wing remainer I am finding the constant whining, whingeing, moaning, sniping, snide, spot-knocking, tittle-tattling MOAN fucking MOAN incredibly wearisome.felix said:
Indeed the whingewfest has continued apace today with the whiners not remotely embarrassed by their double standards. They aslo show a staggering lack of understanding of the prime purpose of the Conservative party.isam said:.
It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the countryDecrepiterJohnL said:
I'd imagine the blue team will pinch lock, stock and barrel Labour's proposals for including assets in the accounts, along with most of the rest of its platform. #WonTheArgument #LostTheElection.BluestBlue said:
Exactly how loose would our fiscal rules have to be before we reached the epic slackness promised in the Labour manifesto?rottenborough said:Javid, a former banker, is politically cautious and has warned there are risks if the Tory Party, which likes to contrast its prudence with Labour profligacy, abandons the fiscal rules designed to keep a grip on budgets.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8002067/SIMON-WALTERS-Cabinet-reshuffle-crushing-enemies-Dominic-Cummingss-masterplan.html
Quite what this means for the next few years, I am not sure, but it will be amusing to watch pb Tories cheering on Boris as he shakes the magic money tree to nationalise jam factories, allotments and manhole covers, while pb Lefties condemn him for declaring war on public school and Oxbridge SpAds. If Saj Rishi Dom does it right then economic growth will accelerate. If not then Brexit-imposed losses will dominate.
Boris Johnson won.
Fucking get over it.1 -
I see Delly Welly's journey from the Boris Golden Age to the hell of Boris Britain is continuing apace:
It’s like being the sole member of an even-worse EU with knobs on, over whose politicians you have no more democratic control than you did over the EU’s because they’re there for the next four years at least with a massive majority.
Some poncy green pillock from Whitehall dictating how they can heat their home on the basis of some bollocks they’ve heard from some Remoaner gimp on the detested BBC?
[...]
Restrictions on their holiday travel?
Massively higher energy bills?
Much, higher taxes?
More eco-brainwashing for their kids at school?
[...]
None of us voted for the Brexit he is delivering because what he is delivering isn’t really Brexit.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/02/06/delingpole-boris-unleashes-green-hell-on-post-brexit-britain/0 -
If the improvement in air quality in China resulting indirectly from coronavirus turned out to be permanent (it won't), and the virus was confirmed as causing a mortality rate of 2% or a touch more amongst those it infects, then the overall effect of the virus in China would I think be to prolong Chinese life expectancy, on average.Nigelb said:
There are some demonstrating correlation:Malmesbury said:
Smoking is definitely correlated with vulnerability to infections involving the lungs. Not sure about air pollution - that would sound likely (at the levels in some Chinese cities and the hideous toxins in some places), but I can't recall having seen any medical studies.alterego said:
I seem to recall someone on here suggesting that air pollution might be a factor which I thought at the time seemed plausible.speedy2 said:
3 deaths, which is very interesting on it's own, because it's only 0.5% of those infected so far, unlike 2.2% in China.Mysticrose said:
There have been ?2 deaths outside mainland China so far?speedy2 said:
Since it transmits like the common cold or at best tuberculosis but much deadlier, the risks are very high.Philip_Thompson said:
100% of MPs catching the illness seems a tad unlikely does it not?speedy2 said:
And I half joked to HYUFD in an attempt to convince him of the seriousness of the situation, that there will be 13 by-elections this year due to deaths from coronavirus if it gets out of hand.TheScreamingEagles said:Crikey. This has the potential to affect all MPs.
https://twitter.com/leedsnews/status/1228323967452184577?s=21
https://twitter.com/radioairenews/status/1228324460501127168?s=21
What was the last illness to strike 100% of a population?
So either China is lying about the number of infected, or a number of deaths outside of China has been missed, or it takes many weeks for some to die so the numbers are lagging, or there is an unknown medical reason.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6394122/
Ironically, the economic shock of coronavirus has led to considerably improvement in air quality in Chinese urban centres in the last month.
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Interesting to see you are now such a supporter of Osborne's austerity policies now Boris has abandoned themkinabalu said:
Indeed. But not me. I will be retaining my customary integrity. As a Hard Left Social Democrat I have always set great store by prudence in the public finances. I'm a sound money man through and through. So if this Conservative government under Boris Johnson abandons all semblance of fiscal discipline I will be down on them like a ton of bricks.isam said:It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the country
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That article was written on 6 Feb. His 3rd bulletpoint has aged well:Stark_Dawning said:I see Delly Welly's journey from the Boris Golden Age to the hell of Boris Britain is continuing apace:
It’s like being the sole member of an even-worse EU with knobs on, over whose politicians you have no more democratic control than you did over the EU’s because they’re there for the next four years at least with a massive majority.
Some poncy green pillock from Whitehall dictating how they can heat their home on the basis of some bollocks they’ve heard from some Remoaner gimp on the detested BBC?
[...]
Restrictions on their holiday travel?
Massively higher energy bills?
Much, higher taxes?
More eco-brainwashing for their kids at school?
[...]
None of us voted for the Brexit he is delivering because what he is delivering isn’t really Brexit.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/02/06/delingpole-boris-unleashes-green-hell-on-post-brexit-britain/
'You’d end up with a Chancellor who suddenly revealed himself to be as bad as, if not worse than, Philip Hammond — only one who is entirely unsackable, because he pushes all the appropriate racial/religious minority buttons.'
It's almost as if he knows sod all about anything.0 -
Iowa. The mess continues:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/02/14/us/politics/iowa-caucus-results-mistakes.html0 -
I don't think he actually said that.HYUFD said:
Interesting to see you are now such a supporter of Osborne's austerity policies now Boris has abandoned themkinabalu said:
Indeed. But not me. I will be retaining my customary integrity. As a Hard Left Social Democrat I have always set great store by prudence in the public finances. I'm a sound money man through and through. So if this Conservative government under Boris Johnson abandons all semblance of fiscal discipline I will be down on them like a ton of bricks.isam said:It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the country
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And what really bemuses me is that some suggested that after Corbyn's defeat I wouldn't be seen on here again.
I'm a lot more 2020 than some others who are ossified in the last parliament.0 -
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Your constant moaning 'as a left-wing remainer' about the moaning is also getting wearisome, if a tad unconvincing.Mysticrose said:
As a left-wing remainer I am finding the constant whining, whingeing, moaning, sniping, snide, spot-knocking, tittle-tattling MOAN fucking MOAN incredibly wearisome.felix said:
Indeed the whingewfest has continued apace today with the whiners not remotely embarrassed by their double standards. They aslo show a staggering lack of understanding of the prime purpose of the Conservative party.isam said:.
It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the countryDecrepiterJohnL said:
I'd imagine the blue team will pinch lock, stock and barrel Labour's proposals for including assets in the accounts, along with most of the rest of its platform. #WonTheArgument #LostTheElection.BluestBlue said:
Exactly how loose would our fiscal rules have to be before we reached the epic slackness promised in the Labour manifesto?rottenborough said:Javid, a former banker, is politically cautious and has warned there are risks if the Tory Party, which likes to contrast its prudence with Labour profligacy, abandons the fiscal rules designed to keep a grip on budgets.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8002067/SIMON-WALTERS-Cabinet-reshuffle-crushing-enemies-Dominic-Cummingss-masterplan.html
Quite what this means for the next few years, I am not sure, but it will be amusing to watch pb Tories cheering on Boris as he shakes the magic money tree to nationalise jam factories, allotments and manhole covers, while pb Lefties condemn him for declaring war on public school and Oxbridge SpAds. If Saj Rishi Dom does it right then economic growth will accelerate. If not then Brexit-imposed losses will dominate.
Boris Johnson won.
Fucking get over it.0 -
The same goes for him as it did for those who soiled their underpants about the prospect of what they perceived to be a hard Brexit. We voted to Leave and it is down to the government of the day to choose howStark_Dawning said:I see Delly Welly's journey from the Boris Golden Age to the hell of Boris Britain is continuing apace:
It’s like being the sole member of an even-worse EU with knobs on, over whose politicians you have no more democratic control than you did over the EU’s because they’re there for the next four years at least with a massive majority.
Some poncy green pillock from Whitehall dictating how they can heat their home on the basis of some bollocks they’ve heard from some Remoaner gimp on the detested BBC?
[...]
Restrictions on their holiday travel?
Massively higher energy bills?
Much, higher taxes?
More eco-brainwashing for their kids at school?
[...]
None of us voted for the Brexit he is delivering because what he is delivering isn’t really Brexit.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/02/06/delingpole-boris-unleashes-green-hell-on-post-brexit-britain/0 -
Saj resigned.BluestBlue said:
That article was written on 6 Feb. His 3rd bulletpoint has aged well:Stark_Dawning said:I see Delly Welly's journey from the Boris Golden Age to the hell of Boris Britain is continuing apace:
It’s like being the sole member of an even-worse EU with knobs on, over whose politicians you have no more democratic control than you did over the EU’s because they’re there for the next four years at least with a massive majority.
Some poncy green pillock from Whitehall dictating how they can heat their home on the basis of some bollocks they’ve heard from some Remoaner gimp on the detested BBC?
[...]
Restrictions on their holiday travel?
Massively higher energy bills?
Much, higher taxes?
More eco-brainwashing for their kids at school?
[...]
None of us voted for the Brexit he is delivering because what he is delivering isn’t really Brexit.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/02/06/delingpole-boris-unleashes-green-hell-on-post-brexit-britain/
'You’d end up with a Chancellor who suddenly revealed himself to be as bad as, if not worse than, Philip Hammond — only one who is entirely unsackable, because he pushes all the appropriate racial/religious minority buttons.'
It's almost as if he knows sod all about anything.0 -
Either that or he wants sky high taxeskjh said:
I don't think he actually said that.HYUFD said:
Interesting to see you are now such a supporter of Osborne's austerity policies now Boris has abandoned themkinabalu said:
Indeed. But not me. I will be retaining my customary integrity. As a Hard Left Social Democrat I have always set great store by prudence in the public finances. I'm a sound money man through and through. So if this Conservative government under Boris Johnson abandons all semblance of fiscal discipline I will be down on them like a ton of bricks.isam said:It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the country
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HYUFD said:
Either that or he wants sky high taxeskjh said:
I don't think he actually said that.HYUFD said:
Interesting to see you are now such a supporter of Osborne's austerity policies now Boris has abandoned themkinabalu said:
Indeed. But not me. I will be retaining my customary integrity. As a Hard Left Social Democrat I have always set great store by prudence in the public finances. I'm a sound money man through and through. So if this Conservative government under Boris Johnson abandons all semblance of fiscal discipline I will be down on them like a ton of bricks.isam said:It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the country
Don't think he said that either.HYUFD said:
Either that or he wants sky high taxeskjh said:
I don't think he actually said that.HYUFD said:
Interesting to see you are now such a supporter of Osborne's austerity policies now Boris has abandoned themkinabalu said:
Indeed. But not me. I will be retaining my customary integrity. As a Hard Left Social Democrat I have always set great store by prudence in the public finances. I'm a sound money man through and through. So if this Conservative government under Boris Johnson abandons all semblance of fiscal discipline I will be down on them like a ton of bricks.isam said:It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the country
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Still common at demos.Beibheirli_C said:
Church services? The priest yells out some stuff and the audience mutter the approved response...OldKingCole said:
I don't think I've been anywhere where 'call and response' has been used in any sort of management situation since I left the Boy Scouts 65 or so years ago.
Cheerleader: "I say Trump, you say OUT"
(marchers look slightly confused)
Cheerleader: Trump!
Half the crowd: "OUT"
Half the crowd (look bemused but gradually catch on)
After a few repetitions it works.
Not so common in serious meetings, however.
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OK How did I do that then? Posting here is a mystery to me.kjh said:HYUFD said:
Either that or he wants sky high taxeskjh said:
I don't think he actually said that.HYUFD said:
Interesting to see you are now such a supporter of Osborne's austerity policies now Boris has abandoned themkinabalu said:
Indeed. But not me. I will be retaining my customary integrity. As a Hard Left Social Democrat I have always set great store by prudence in the public finances. I'm a sound money man through and through. So if this Conservative government under Boris Johnson abandons all semblance of fiscal discipline I will be down on them like a ton of bricks.isam said:It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the country
Don't think he said that either.HYUFD said:
Either that or he wants sky high taxeskjh said:
I don't think he actually said that.HYUFD said:
Interesting to see you are now such a supporter of Osborne's austerity policies now Boris has abandoned themkinabalu said:
Indeed. But not me. I will be retaining my customary integrity. As a Hard Left Social Democrat I have always set great store by prudence in the public finances. I'm a sound money man through and through. So if this Conservative government under Boris Johnson abandons all semblance of fiscal discipline I will be down on them like a ton of bricks.isam said:It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the country
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Well he won't get fiscal discipline and a balanced budget then, given he is clearly no fan of the Laffer curvekjh said:HYUFD said:
Either that or he wants sky high taxeskjh said:
I don't think he actually said that.HYUFD said:
Interesting to see you are now such a supporter of Osborne's austerity policies now Boris has abandoned themkinabalu said:
Indeed. But not me. I will be retaining my customary integrity. As a Hard Left Social Democrat I have always set great store by prudence in the public finances. I'm a sound money man through and through. So if this Conservative government under Boris Johnson abandons all semblance of fiscal discipline I will be down on them like a ton of bricks.isam said:It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the country
Don't think he said that either.HYUFD said:
Either that or he wants sky high taxeskjh said:
I don't think he actually said that.HYUFD said:
Interesting to see you are now such a supporter of Osborne's austerity policies now Boris has abandoned themkinabalu said:
Indeed. But not me. I will be retaining my customary integrity. As a Hard Left Social Democrat I have always set great store by prudence in the public finances. I'm a sound money man through and through. So if this Conservative government under Boris Johnson abandons all semblance of fiscal discipline I will be down on them like a ton of bricks.isam said:It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the country
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Sanders leading in Nevada and Texas (!), but Bloomberg coming up the rails and ahead in Florida: Biden still well clear in Georgia. Little sign of a Buttigieg or Klobouchar bounce, and Warren trundling along in 3rd or lower in most places. Trump-Sanders apparently very close (47-45) in Texas.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/1 -
What is the tl;dr? I see Mayor Pete is into 1.2 on Betfair today. Am I going to regret greening up? Any random errors found in the partial recount or whatever it is they are doing next week should cancel each other out to leave the overall result unchanged, but are they random?rottenborough said:Iowa. The mess continues:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/02/14/us/politics/iowa-caucus-results-mistakes.html0 -
It's the catechism that goes something like this:Beibheirli_C said:
Church services? The priest yells out some stuff and the audience mutter the approved response...OldKingCole said:
I don't think I've been anywhere where 'call and response' has been used in any sort of management situation since I left the Boy Scouts 65 or so years ago.
Q1: What is the chief end of a cabinet minister?
A:A cabinet minister's chief end is to glorify Johnson, and to abase yourself to him forever.
Q2: What rule hath Johnson given to direct us how we may glorify him?
:The Word of Cummings, which is contained in the Odyssean blog, is the only rule to direct us how we may glorify him.
And so on..
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https://twitter.com/GuitarMoog/status/1228269285467918336
I got 14. A couple of lucky guesses. At least one question is utter bollx.
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You mean made exactly the decision Boris and Classic Dom wanted and engineered? Yes, in that case he indeed 'resigned'.Stark_Dawning said:
Saj resigned.BluestBlue said:
That article was written on 6 Feb. His 3rd bulletpoint has aged well:Stark_Dawning said:I see Delly Welly's journey from the Boris Golden Age to the hell of Boris Britain is continuing apace:
It’s like being the sole member of an even-worse EU with knobs on, over whose politicians you have no more democratic control than you did over the EU’s because they’re there for the next four years at least with a massive majority.
Some poncy green pillock from Whitehall dictating how they can heat their home on the basis of some bollocks they’ve heard from some Remoaner gimp on the detested BBC?
[...]
Restrictions on their holiday travel?
Massively higher energy bills?
Much, higher taxes?
More eco-brainwashing for their kids at school?
[...]
None of us voted for the Brexit he is delivering because what he is delivering isn’t really Brexit.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/02/06/delingpole-boris-unleashes-green-hell-on-post-brexit-britain/
'You’d end up with a Chancellor who suddenly revealed himself to be as bad as, if not worse than, Philip Hammond — only one who is entirely unsackable, because he pushes all the appropriate racial/religious minority buttons.'
It's almost as if he knows sod all about anything.0 -
The bollx question:
What do you have to pay tax on in the UK?
All kind of benefits
Buying goods from supermarkets
The Personal Allowance
Pensions0 -
What does Bloomberg have to do on Super Tuesday to be a serious contender - win California and Texas and maybe half a dozen other states. Given the huge proportion of delegates up for grabs, IF his strategy succeeds he will have re-written the "How to Win a Nomination" book.NickPalmer said:Sanders leading in Nevada and Texas (!), but Bloomberg coming up the rails and ahead in Florida: Biden still well clear in Georgia. Little sign of a Buttigieg or Klobouchar bounce, and Warren trundling along in 3rd or lower in most places. Trump-Sanders apparently very close (47-45) in Texas.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
I realise he will get plenty of delegates with second places but I think he needs a series of victories to take momentum to the Florida and north-eastern primaries where in places like New York (you'd think), he might have some support on which to draw.
Thanks for the story on Milford last night - I had heard most of the non-Conservative vote was backing Maxine Gale. A good win for the new ruling group on Waverley BC.0 -
I have no idea.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What is the tl;dr? I see Mayor Pete is into 1.2 on Betfair today. Am I going to regret greening up? Any random errors found in the partial recount or whatever it is they are doing next week should cancel each other out to leave the overall result unchanged, but are they random?rottenborough said:Iowa. The mess continues:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/02/14/us/politics/iowa-caucus-results-mistakes.html0 -
When I think of call and response I think of the Hokey Cokey.
Maybe that's what it's all about.0 -
I'm convinced.Theuniondivvie said:
Your constant moaning 'as a left-wing remainer' about the moaning is also getting wearisome, if a tad unconvincing.Mysticrose said:
As a left-wing remainer I am finding the constant whining, whingeing, moaning, sniping, snide, spot-knocking, tittle-tattling MOAN fucking MOAN incredibly wearisome.felix said:
Indeed the whingewfest has continued apace today with the whiners not remotely embarrassed by their double standards. They aslo show a staggering lack of understanding of the prime purpose of the Conservative party.isam said:.
It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the countryDecrepiterJohnL said:
I'd imagine the blue team will pinch lock, stock and barrel Labour's proposals for including assets in the accounts, along with most of the rest of its platform. #WonTheArgument #LostTheElection.BluestBlue said:
Exactly how loose would our fiscal rules have to be before we reached the epic slackness promised in the Labour manifesto?rottenborough said:Javid, a former banker, is politically cautious and has warned there are risks if the Tory Party, which likes to contrast its prudence with Labour profligacy, abandons the fiscal rules designed to keep a grip on budgets.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8002067/SIMON-WALTERS-Cabinet-reshuffle-crushing-enemies-Dominic-Cummingss-masterplan.html
Quite what this means for the next few years, I am not sure, but it will be amusing to watch pb Tories cheering on Boris as he shakes the magic money tree to nationalise jam factories, allotments and manhole covers, while pb Lefties condemn him for declaring war on public school and Oxbridge SpAds. If Saj Rishi Dom does it right then economic growth will accelerate. If not then Brexit-imposed losses will dominate.
Boris Johnson won.
Fucking get over it.0 -
The novelty is expecting Cabinet to be a serious meeting.NickPalmer said:
Still common at demos.Beibheirli_C said:
Church services? The priest yells out some stuff and the audience mutter the approved response...OldKingCole said:
I don't think I've been anywhere where 'call and response' has been used in any sort of management situation since I left the Boy Scouts 65 or so years ago.
Cheerleader: "I say Trump, you say OUT"
(marchers look slightly confused)
Cheerleader: Trump!
Half the crowd: "OUT"
Half the crowd (look bemused but gradually catch on)
After a few repetitions it works.
Not so common in serious meetings, however.0 -
HYUFD said:
Unless I am missing something from a previous exchange he used the word 'prudence' regarding public finance so I can't see where you can assume from that he is in favour of sky high taxes or austerity.HYUFD said:
Well he won't get fiscal discipline and a balanced budget then, given he is clearly no fan of the Laffer curvekjh said:HYUFD said:
Don't think he said that either.HYUFD said:
Either that or he wants sky high taxeskjh said:
I don't think he actually said that.HYUFD said:
Interesting to see you are now such a supporter of Osborne's austerity policies now Boris has abandoned themkinabalu said:
Indeed. But not me. I will be retaining my customary integrity. As a Hard Left Social Democrat I have always set great store by prudence in the public finances. I'm a sound money man through and through. So if this Conservative government under Boris Johnson abandons all semblance of fiscal discipline I will be down on them like a ton of bricks.isam said:It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the country
Re the Laffer curve; again I don't know where that came from (I am clearly missing something), but this has been discussed many times:
As you can not know the shape of the applicable curve or where you are on it, it is impossible to know whether a change in tax rates will generate more or less income. There are only 2 points where you can be sure. They are at 0% and 100%.0 -
Seems incredible on the face of it.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/GuitarMoog/status/1228269285467918336
I got 14. A couple of lucky guesses. At least one question is utter bollx.0 -
Just 1? More like 5 of them and that ignores the pointless geography ones.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/GuitarMoog/status/1228269285467918336
I got 14. A couple of lucky guesses. At least one question is utter bollx.0 -
I got 22.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/GuitarMoog/status/1228269285467918336
I got 14. A couple of lucky guesses. At least one question is utter bollx.
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Can I sell you a bridge?MarqueeMark said:
I'm convinced.Theuniondivvie said:
Your constant moaning 'as a left-wing remainer' about the moaning is also getting wearisome, if a tad unconvincing.Mysticrose said:
As a left-wing remainer I am finding the constant whining, whingeing, moaning, sniping, snide, spot-knocking, tittle-tattling MOAN fucking MOAN incredibly wearisome.felix said:
Indeed the whingewfest has continued apace today with the whiners not remotely embarrassed by their double standards. They aslo show a staggering lack of understanding of the prime purpose of the Conservative party.isam said:.
It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the countryDecrepiterJohnL said:
I'd imagine the blue team will pinch lock, stock and barrel Labour's proposals for including assets in the accounts, along with most of the rest of its platform. #WonTheArgument #LostTheElection.BluestBlue said:
Exactly how loose would our fiscal rules have to be before we reached the epic slackness promised in the Labour manifesto?rottenborough said:Javid, a former banker, is politically cautious and has warned there are risks if the Tory Party, which likes to contrast its prudence with Labour profligacy, abandons the fiscal rules designed to keep a grip on budgets.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8002067/SIMON-WALTERS-Cabinet-reshuffle-crushing-enemies-Dominic-Cummingss-masterplan.html
Quite what this means for the next few years, I am not sure, but it will be amusing to watch pb Tories cheering on Boris as he shakes the magic money tree to nationalise jam factories, allotments and manhole covers, while pb Lefties condemn him for declaring war on public school and Oxbridge SpAds. If Saj Rishi Dom does it right then economic growth will accelerate. If not then Brexit-imposed losses will dominate.
Boris Johnson won.
Fucking get over it.0 -
Every time I have an argument with your HYUFD Vanilla takes you side and sabotages my post.0
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@HYUFD
I do support Austerity but targeted at those with nice wide shoulders. So not the Osborne variety.
@Mysticrose
Come on then I have an open mind - 3 properly left wing policies that you support with a passion that verges on the uncontrollable.0 -
On current polls Sanders leads in California and Texas so yes given Florida votes after Super Tuesday if Bloomberg has not put up a good performance in California and Texas and other states on Super Tuesday by the time Florida votes it may just be a consolation prizestodge said:
What does Bloomberg have to do on Super Tuesday to be a serious contender - win California and Texas and maybe half a dozen other states. Given the huge proportion of delegates up for grabs, IF his strategy succeeds he will have re-written the "How to Win a Nomination" book.NickPalmer said:Sanders leading in Nevada and Texas (!), but Bloomberg coming up the rails and ahead in Florida: Biden still well clear in Georgia. Little sign of a Buttigieg or Klobouchar bounce, and Warren trundling along in 3rd or lower in most places. Trump-Sanders apparently very close (47-45) in Texas.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
I realise he will get plenty of delegates with second places but I think he needs a series of victories to take momentum to the Florida and north-eastern primaries where in places like New York (you'd think), he might have some support on which to draw.
Thanks for the story on Milford last night - I had heard most of the non-Conservative vote was backing Maxine Gale. A good win for the new ruling group on Waverley BC.0 -
You can stay.AlastairMeeks said:
I got 22.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/GuitarMoog/status/1228269285467918336
I got 14. A couple of lucky guesses. At least one question is utter bollx.1 -
I think all people who admit to voting Leave should have to do it. Anyone of them who gets less than, say 23 out of 24, should be deported to the Falkland IslandsAlastairMeeks said:
I got 22.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/GuitarMoog/status/1228269285467918336
I got 14. A couple of lucky guesses. At least one question is utter bollx.0 -
Well the NI question as well, it's a tax like any other now.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/GuitarMoog/status/1228269285467918336
I got 14. A couple of lucky guesses. At least one question is utter bollx.0 -
I'd say it happens all the time at political conferences and in Parliament as a way to rev up audiences.Beibheirli_C said:
Church services? The priest yells out some stuff and the audience mutter the approved response...OldKingCole said:
I don't think I've been anywhere where 'call and response' has been used in any sort of management situation since I left the Boy Scouts 65 or so years ago.kle4 said:
Hes done it several times in a short period, which us why its gratingPhilip_Thompson said:Johnson is far from the only leader who has used 'call and response' as irritating, juvenile and absurd as it is.
Its been frequently used at PMQs in the past hasn't it? I seem to recall all of Cameron, Milliband and Corbyn doing it - not sure if May did.
eg Obama at Labour conf in 2016.0 -
He was attacking Boris for tax cuts and spending rises and supposedly expanding the deficit, so yes either he backs spending cuts or freezes or tax rises as an alternative.kjh said:HYUFD said:
Unless I am missing something from a previous exchange he used the word 'prudence' regarding public finance so I can't see where you can assume from that he is in favour of sky high taxes or austerity.HYUFD said:
Well he won't get fiscal discipline and vekjh said:HYUFD said:
Don't think he said that either.HYUFD said:
Either that or he wants sky high taxeskjh said:
I don't think he actually said that.HYUFD said:
Interesting to see you are now such a supporter of Osborne's austerity policies now Boris has abandoned themkinabalu said:
Indeed. But not me. I will be retaining my e a ton of bricks.isam said:It will be great to watch supposedly non Partisan observers attack people they obsessively attack for pursuing policies that they themselves consider best for the country
Re the Laffer curve; again I don't know where that came from (I am clearly missing something), but this has been discussed many times:
As you can not know the shape of the applicable curve or where you are on it, it is impossible to know whether a change in tax rates will generate more or less income. There are only 2 points where you can be sure. They are at 0% and 100%.
Given Boris is not promising to raise spending to 100% or cut tax to 0% there is also limited room to attack him on the Laffer curve too0 -
I suppose you don't agree with Matthew D'Ancona's comment in Wednesday's Standard:HYUFD said:
Interesting to see you are now such a supporter of Osborne's austerity policies now Boris has abandoned them
"As for cake, you can have it, you can eat it but either way you end up paying for it."
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I know it's shooting fish in a barrel, but this one was particularly amusing:
https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/12283694866816901191 -
You cannot really have austerity for non state funded private schools and private hospitals, tac rises for the rich maybekinabalu said:@HYUFD
I do support Austerity but targeted at those with nice wide shoulders. So not the Osborne variety.
@Mysticrose
Come on then I have an open mind - 3 properly left wing policies that you support with a passion that verges on the uncontrollable.0 -
Although I cannot see RLB as leader of anything, in some ways she is more right about the defeat and its aftermath than the centrists. Whether her label as Continuity Corbyn is a blessing or a curse, I do not think it is accurate.rottenborough said:0 -
Christ!
My 25 year old daughter, despite having all the vaccinations, has just caught mumps.
How can that be?
Back to mothering duties again......0 -
15 for me. Some of the questions have fuck all to do with civic life or UK culture. And one is clearly wrong - you do pay taxes on most goods you buy, not just taxes on pensions. And what the hell has when Vaisakhi is to do with being British?rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/GuitarMoog/status/1228269285467918336
I got 14. A couple of lucky guesses. At least one question is utter bollx.0 -
"YES AND HO!"Philip_Thompson said:
Not been to many American style "team building" corporate events then I guess?OldKingCole said:
I don't think I've been anywhere where 'call and response' has been used in any sort of management situation since I left the Boy Scouts 65 or so years ago.kle4 said:
Hes done it several times in a short period, which us why its gratingPhilip_Thompson said:Johnson is far from the only leader who has used 'call and response' as irritating, juvenile and absurd as it is.
Its been frequently used at PMQs in the past hasn't it? I seem to recall all of Cameron, Milliband and Corbyn doing it - not sure if May did.
Urgh!
Oh for the days when "The Thick Of It" was satire and not a blueprint.0 -
And to think Jo Swinson was mocked for seeming like a primary school teacher.MattW said:
I'd say it happens all the time at political conferences and in Parliament as a way to rev up audiences.Beibheirli_C said:
Church services? The priest yells out some stuff and the audience mutter the approved response...OldKingCole said:
I don't think I've been anywhere where 'call and response' has been used in any sort of management situation since I left the Boy Scouts 65 or so years ago.kle4 said:
Hes done it several times in a short period, which us why its gratingPhilip_Thompson said:Johnson is far from the only leader who has used 'call and response' as irritating, juvenile and absurd as it is.
Its been frequently used at PMQs in the past hasn't it? I seem to recall all of Cameron, Milliband and Corbyn doing it - not sure if May did.
eg Obama at Labour conf in 2016.0 -
No vaccine is 100% effective. For mumps, the figure is around 88%, so your daughter may just be one of the unlucky 1 in 8. Did she have booster shots? They are recommended every 3-6 years. Though once she is recovered, she should have lifelong immunity.Cyclefree said:
Christ!
My 25 year old daughter, despite having all the vaccinations, has just caught mumps.
How can that be?
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I suppose I'll be accused of being a po-faced wokie knobhead and overreacting but this to me - forced chanting at cabinet meetings - is a most unwelcome development in our politics.AlastairMeeks said:When I think of call and response I think of the Hokey Cokey.
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Outrageous! You'll be for banning 'The Red Flag' next...kinabalu said:
I suppose I'll be accused of being a po-faced wokie knobhead and overreacting but this to me - forced chanting at cabinet meetings - is a most unwelcome development in our politics.AlastairMeeks said:When I think of call and response I think of the Hokey Cokey.
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Christ knows what goes on after the cameras have left the room.kinabalu said:
I suppose I'll be accused of being a po-faced wokie knobhead and overreacting but this to me - forced chanting at cabinet meetings - is a most unwelcome development in our politics.AlastairMeeks said:When I think of call and response I think of the Hokey Cokey.
Maybe that's what it's all about.
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Whisky and revolvers if they had any self respect!SandyRentool said:
Christ knows what goes on after the cameras have left the room.kinabalu said:
I suppose I'll be accused of being a po-faced wokie knobhead and overreacting but this to me - forced chanting at cabinet meetings - is a most unwelcome development in our politics.AlastairMeeks said:When I think of call and response I think of the Hokey Cokey.
Maybe that's what it's all about.
Hazing of the new ministers?1 -
Hope she recovers quickly. I think mumps is one that requires boosters every so many years. I had to have it to emigrate to the US even though I'd had mumps as a child.Cyclefree said:Christ!
My 25 year old daughter, despite having all the vaccinations, has just caught mumps.
How can that be?
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Owen Hatherley has written a tonne of books about modern/ish architecture and the way his predjudices and issues radiate from every single page is phenomenal.Richard_Nabavi said:I know it's shooting fish in a barrel, but this one was particularly amusing:
https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1228369486681690119
My favourite bit is Barrow, which he recognises that he should, at least, like, but he just can't.0 -
The taxes in supermarkets question is just meaningless rubbish; the 'correct' answer depends on the (unexpressed) meaning of an ambiguous question.TimT said:
15 for me. Some of the questions have fuck all to do with civic life or UK culture. And one is clearly wrong - you do pay taxes on most goods you buy, not just taxes on pensions. And what the hell has when Vaisakhi is to do with being British?rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/GuitarMoog/status/1228269285467918336
I got 14. A couple of lucky guesses. At least one question is utter bollx.
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Nothing wrong with a song. If "Boris" wants to close every cabinet meeting with a hymn or a sea shanty, fine.
But no coercive chanting. That is to humiliate and infantalize his colleagues. It's gratuitous. It's cruel. And most importantly it will not lead to good governance.0 -
So who gets to play the role of his court jester or naysayer?kinabalu said:@BluestBlue
Nothing wrong with a song. If "Boris" wants to close every cabinet meeting with a hymn or a sea shanty, fine.
But no coercive chanting. That is to humiliate and infantalize his colleagues. It's gratuitous. It's cruel. And most importantly it will not lead to good governance.0 -
Farage.TimT said:
So who gets to play the role of his court jester or naysayer?kinabalu said:@BluestBlue
Nothing wrong with a song. If "Boris" wants to close every cabinet meeting with a hymn or a sea shanty, fine.
But no coercive chanting. That is to humiliate and infantalize his colleagues. It's gratuitous. It's cruel. And most importantly it will not lead to good governance.0 -
@TheScreamingEaglesTimT said:
So who gets to play the role of his court jester or naysayer?kinabalu said:@BluestBlue
Nothing wrong with a song. If "Boris" wants to close every cabinet meeting with a hymn or a sea shanty, fine.
But no coercive chanting. That is to humiliate and infantalize his colleagues. It's gratuitous. It's cruel. And most importantly it will not lead to good governance.
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Ok, I'm beginning to panic now. I assumed Bloomberg as a vanity candidate whose approach was fatally flawed. But his opinion polls are climbing. Given the events to date, can he take the nomination? I'll be really miffed if he does. Trump ignored scrutiny and bullied his way in, Boris ignore scrutiny and plowed on, now Bloomberg might pull off the same trick?MikeSmithson said:0 -
She got all the boosters. The doctor thinks she may have caught it on her recent holiday in Mexico. She has to stay isolated as her white blood cell count is low and for other obvious reasons. So I will be doing the warming broth and cuddles act, just like in years past.rpjs said:
Hope she recovers quickly. I think mumps is one that requires boosters every so many years. I had to have it to emigrate to the US even though I'd had mumps as a child.Cyclefree said:Christ!
My 25 year old daughter, despite having all the vaccinations, has just caught mumps.
How can that be?
Back to mothering duties again......
Mothering never really ends, does it.0 -
TimT said:
No vaccine is 100% effective. For mumps, the figure is around 88%, so your daughter may just be one of the unlucky 1 in 8. Did she have booster shots? They are recommended every 3-6 years. Though once she is recovered, she should have lifelong immunity.
Cyclefree said:Christ!
My 25 year old daughter, despite having all the vaccinations, has just caught mumps.
How can that be?
Back to mothering duties again......
She had the boosters all through school. But, tbh, I didn't realise you needed them once you are an adult. Should my sons get a booster? Yikes...0 -
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Of all the problems this government will have, running Cabinet by Stuart Pearson rules is the least of them...kinabalu said:@BluestBlue
Nothing wrong with a song. If "Boris" wants to close every cabinet meeting with a hymn or a sea shanty, fine.
But no coercive chanting. That is to humiliate and infantalize his colleagues. It's gratuitous. It's cruel. And most importantly it will not lead to good governance.
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"Are you an American or an Americ-can't?"rpjs said:
"YES AND HO!"Philip_Thompson said:
Not been to many American style "team building" corporate events then I guess?OldKingCole said:
I don't think I've been anywhere where 'call and response' has been used in any sort of management situation since I left the Boy Scouts 65 or so years ago.kle4 said:
Hes done it several times in a short period, which us why its gratingPhilip_Thompson said:Johnson is far from the only leader who has used 'call and response' as irritating, juvenile and absurd as it is.
Its been frequently used at PMQs in the past hasn't it? I seem to recall all of Cameron, Milliband and Corbyn doing it - not sure if May did.
Urgh!
Oh for the days when "The Thick Of It" was satire and not a blueprint.0
