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  • TGOHF666 said:

    Joe Bye-den

    Joe is Bi-ding his time before he quits the race.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited February 2020
    .

    Oops, wrong year
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,879
    Starting to get excited about this market. Either Klobuchar or Buttigieg would be my biggest ever wins...
  • rkrkrk said:

    Is Warren worth topping up with £3 or £4 at 70s?

    Better to do for president at 249/1. And I'd say yes, there's still some way to go.
    Thanks. Good tip.
  • I’ve laid off a little bit on Sanders this morning.

    He didn’t impress last night, although he won the plurality, but his odds haven’t moved from the 2.7 mark.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Is Warren worth topping up with £3 or £4 at 70s?

    Believe in My Girl.

    (Don't believe, I think she's done. She needed to be top 3)
  • Good morning, everyone.

    Boo to Bernie!
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited February 2020
    I think Buttigieg’s biggest issue is his numbers with voters of colour as well as millennials. For all the issues of Sanders age, younger American voters certainly don’t seem keen on Buttigieg and I get why. I wonder whether those voters as well as voters of colour would turn out for Buttigieg if he were the nominee in November.
  • rkrkrk said:

    Starting to get excited about this market. Either Klobuchar or Buttigieg would be my biggest ever wins...

    What are your liabilities, or are you all green?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,728

    MikeL said:

    Sanders now 2.74 for Dem Nom - having been 2.5 earlier this evening.

    Suggests the market shares these doubts.

    Yes, as a natural Sanders sympathiser I think the narrow win is disappointing - Sanders needs to give an impression of overwhelming momentum, and he can't rely on a split centrist vote indefinitely. On the whole, I think Buttigieg has most to be pleased about.
    How did it all go wrong for a 77 year old with a heart condition who isn’t even a Democrat?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,670
    edited February 2020
    TGOHF666 said:

    In all the excitement of NH , the storyof the SNP Forth Bridge which can’t open when it’s cold - in Scotland is limited to local outlets.

    https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1227367758159122432?s=21

    Harry , you forgot to show us the Severn Road bridge closed, you unionists are just a little bit blinkered. What is it with failures who have left Scotland and are desperate to try and pretend they are more English than the English.
    What kind of absolute moron does not know that high bridges close in extreme weather conditions, would you prefer they let motorists get killed.
    PS
    Humber Bridge closes to all traffic and pedestrians for second time in history
    'This is the only way of safeguarding everyone and ensuring there are no accidents due to the severe weather'
    PPS
    Orwell Bridge OPEN after strong winds force closure
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,553

    Good morning everyone. Totally O/t, but the wind seems to have dropped, at least for a bit, and it’s a rather nice winter morning.
    On topic, could I be persuaded to go out and vote, even against Trump, for someone who is almost my age? Only if he or she had a running mate who could step into their shoes.
    I know how I feel, and we saw Mr G, at a similar stage in life, reporting yesterday on cutting down on activities.

    The fire of socialism does not burn quite so brightly in Big_G, though.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,839
    ydoethur said:

    MikeL said:

    Sanders now 2.74 for Dem Nom - having been 2.5 earlier this evening.

    Suggests the market shares these doubts.

    Yes, as a natural Sanders sympathiser I think the narrow win is disappointing - Sanders needs to give an impression of overwhelming momentum, and he can't rely on a split centrist vote indefinitely. On the whole, I think Buttigieg has most to be pleased about.
    How did it all go wrong for a 77 year old with a heart condition who isn’t even a Democrat?
    There's two of those in this race
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,728
    edited February 2020
    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    In all the excitement of NH , the storyof the SNP Forth Bridge which can’t open when it’s cold - in Scotland is limited to local outlets.

    https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1227367758159122432?s=21

    Harry , you forgot to show us the Severn Road bridge closed, you unionists are just a little bit blinkered.
    That’s the old Severn Bridge - Wales’ answer to the Forth Road Bridge. The Prince of Wales Bridge is still open.
  • MikeL said:

    Sanders now 2.74 for Dem Nom - having been 2.5 earlier this evening.

    Suggests the market shares these doubts.

    Yes, as a natural Sanders sympathiser I think the narrow win is disappointing - Sanders needs to give an impression of overwhelming momentum, and he can't rely on a split centrist vote indefinitely. On the whole, I think Buttigieg has most to be pleased about.
    He could have done without Amy Klobuchar doing so well. Equally, while she has outperformed expectations, she still only came third.

    The moderates look all over the shop still.

    Bernie Sanders should, however, now be longer than 2.74.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,728
    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:

    MikeL said:

    Sanders now 2.74 for Dem Nom - having been 2.5 earlier this evening.

    Suggests the market shares these doubts.

    Yes, as a natural Sanders sympathiser I think the narrow win is disappointing - Sanders needs to give an impression of overwhelming momentum, and he can't rely on a split centrist vote indefinitely. On the whole, I think Buttigieg has most to be pleased about.
    How did it all go wrong for a 77 year old with a heart condition who isn’t even a Democrat?
    There's two of those in this race
    Trump has a heart?!!!!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    Is Michael Bloomberg the candidate who should be happiest tonight? Everyone else at least has something to fret about, while the race remains confused.

    Maybe, and his unconventional strategy is interesting.

    Seems mixed for mayor Pete- a good result but now he has Klobuchar to contend with. Not sure why shes taken off now.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,670
    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    In all the excitement of NH , the storyof the SNP Forth Bridge which can’t open when it’s cold - in Scotland is limited to local outlets.

    https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1227367758159122432?s=21

    Harry , you forgot to show us the Severn Road bridge closed, you unionists are just a little bit blinkered.
    That’s the old Severn Bridge - Wales’ answer to the Forth Road Bridge. The Prince of Wales Bridge is still open.
    and your point is caller, do you also dispute that high bridges all over sometimes close during adverse weather for safety reasons rather than Harry's lie that it is a thing that happens only in Scotland.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,952

    TGOHF666 said:

    Joe Bye-den

    Joe is Bi-ding his time before he quits the race.
    He still has two of his original teeth left you know.

    Yep, Joe Bi-dent......
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797
    edited February 2020
    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    In all the excitement of NH , the storyof the SNP Forth Bridge which can’t open when it’s cold - in Scotland is limited to local outlets.

    https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1227367758159122432?s=21

    Harry , you forgot to show us the Severn Road bridge closed, you unionists are just a little bit blinkered. What is it with failures who have left Scotland and are desperate to try and pretend they are more English than the English.
    What kind of absolute moron does not know that high bridges close in extreme weather conditions, would you prefer they let motorists get killed.
    PS
    Humber Bridge closes to all traffic and pedestrians for second time in history
    'This is the only way of safeguarding everyone and ensuring there are no accidents due to the severe weather'
    PPS
    Orwell Bridge OPEN after strong winds force closure
    There is a slight (note sarcasm) difference between closing a bridge due to high winds before an accident occurs and keeping a bridge open until 8 accidents have occurred that day and someone decides hmm better close it.

    One shows planning, one shows a complete lack of foresight, planning or even design.

    And the funniest bit is that the SNP have centralised so much that it's always possible to put a photo of Sturgeon on the disaster as it probably requires her approval for the bridge to be closed. While the humber bridge is likely to be a highways officers deciding we can't take the risk..
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    In all the excitement of NH , the storyof the SNP Forth Bridge which can’t open when it’s cold - in Scotland is limited to local outlets.

    https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1227367758159122432?s=21

    Harry , you forgot to show us the Severn Road bridge closed, you unionists are just a little bit blinkered. What is it with failures who have left Scotland and are desperate to try and pretend they are more English than the English.
    What kind of absolute moron does not know that high bridges close in extreme weather conditions, would you prefer they let motorists get killed.
    PS
    Humber Bridge closes to all traffic and pedestrians for second time in history
    'This is the only way of safeguarding everyone and ensuring there are no accidents due to the severe weather'
    PPS
    Orwell Bridge OPEN after strong winds force closure
    Any other bridges still closed malc ?

    https://twitter.com/thescotsman/status/1227489780616900608?s=21
  • I think Buttigieg’s biggest issue is his numbers with voters of colour as well as millennials. For all the issues of Sanders age, younger American voters certainly don’t seem keen on Buttigieg and I get why. I wonder whether those voters as well as voters of colour would turn out for Buttigieg if he were the nominee in November.


    Why wouldn’t they? He’d be the Democratic nominee and the way to stop Trump.

    I also don’t get the colour thing. First, what % of Democratic primary voters are non-white excluding Hispanics? 10% or 20%, depending on state? So, if they really don’t like him, and say he gets only 15% of their support, rather than 40-50% for other candidates, then at worst it’d make about a 7% differential on his primary votes total in the most diverse states, and probably below 3% in the rest.

    In other words, I’m struggling to see how it’s a dealbreaker, unless it’s very close.

    If Buttigieg is riding a surge, then he’ll be fine regardless. If not, and it’s a split field, then that’ll be the reason he loses. Not the ethnicity of the voters.
  • I think Buttigieg’s biggest issue is his numbers with voters of colour as well as millennials. For all the issues of Sanders age, younger American voters certainly don’t seem keen on Buttigieg and I get why. I wonder whether those voters as well as voters of colour would turn out for Buttigieg if he were the nominee in November.

    When the alternative is Donald Trump? Yes, I think so.

    Plus I'd be curious to know if any of the swing states that the Democrat nominee needs to win off Trump is disproportionately dominated by African Americans? Wisconsin and Pennsylvania have below national average (Wisconsin close to half the national average) African American voters so that's not necessarily the key demographic to win.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,728
    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    In all the excitement of NH , the storyof the SNP Forth Bridge which can’t open when it’s cold - in Scotland is limited to local outlets.

    https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1227367758159122432?s=21

    Harry , you forgot to show us the Severn Road bridge closed, you unionists are just a little bit blinkered.
    That’s the old Severn Bridge - Wales’ answer to the Forth Road Bridge. The Prince of Wales Bridge is still open.
    and your point is caller, do you also dispute that high bridges all over sometimes close during adverse weather for safety reasons rather than Harry's lie that it is a thing that happens only in Scotland.
    It is surprising and a bit concerning that a bridge as modern as this has closed for these conditions. They’re bad, but not *that* bad. The Second Severn Crossing was closed for ice on the cables a couple of years ago, but at that time there was eight inches of snow on the ground. It’s also not as though wet, icy and windy weather in Scotland is exactly surprising.

    The major concern would appear to be that the very design of the bridge, with the cables in the centre rather than at the side, makes this likely to be a fairly regular occurrence unless remedial measures are put in place.

    Have a good morning.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    In all the excitement of NH , the storyof the SNP Forth Bridge which can’t open when it’s cold - in Scotland is limited to local outlets.

    https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1227367758159122432?s=21

    Harry , you forgot to show us the Severn Road bridge closed, you unionists are just a little bit blinkered.
    That’s the old Severn Bridge - Wales’ answer to the Forth Road Bridge. The Prince of Wales Bridge is still open.
    and your point is caller, do you also dispute that high bridges all over sometimes close during adverse weather for safety reasons rather than Harry's lie that it is a thing that happens only in Scotland.
    It’s not closed due to high winds malc - it’s due to falling ice.
  • ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    In all the excitement of NH , the storyof the SNP Forth Bridge which can’t open when it’s cold - in Scotland is limited to local outlets.

    https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1227367758159122432?s=21

    Harry , you forgot to show us the Severn Road bridge closed, you unionists are just a little bit blinkered.
    That’s the old Severn Bridge - Wales’ answer to the Forth Road Bridge. The Prince of Wales Bridge is still open.
    and your point is caller, do you also dispute that high bridges all over sometimes close during adverse weather for safety reasons rather than Harry's lie that it is a thing that happens only in Scotland.
    It is surprising and a bit concerning that a bridge as modern as this has closed for these conditions. They’re bad, but not *that* bad. The Second Severn Crossing was closed for ice on the cables a couple of years ago, but at that time there was eight inches of snow on the ground. It’s also not as though wet, icy and windy weather in Scotland is exactly surprising.

    The major concern would appear to be that the very design of the bridge, with the cables in the centre rather than at the side, makes this likely to be a fairly regular occurrence unless remedial measures are put in place.

    Have a good morning.
    This is a storm that we're going through at the minute, not just a bit of winter chills. Closing bridges seems sane to me, I don't see the big deal.
  • TGOHF666 said:

    Joe Bye-den

    Joe is Bi-ding his time before he quits the race.
    He still has two of his original teeth left you know.

    Yep, Joe Bi-dent......
    He’s actually a secret big animal fan: he keeps foxes.

    He has two extensive subterranean complexes for them in the backyard of his main homes in two different states.

    He’s Joe Bi-den, and he got advice on them from Elizabeth Warren.

    (Editor: stop.)
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,879

    rkrkrk said:

    Starting to get excited about this market. Either Klobuchar or Buttigieg would be my biggest ever wins...

    What are your liabilities, or are you all green?
    Bloomberg and Clinton (and Trump for the Presidency).
    I went a little early on laying Bloomberg, should have realized that if there's a crazy price now, there'll probably also be a crazy or crazier price on him later.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,670
    eek said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    In all the excitement of NH , the storyof the SNP Forth Bridge which can’t open when it’s cold - in Scotland is limited to local outlets.

    https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1227367758159122432?s=21

    snip
    There is a slight (note sarcasm) difference between closing a bridge due to high winds before an accident occurs and keeping a bridge open until 8 accidents have occurred that day and someone decides hmm better close it.

    One shows planning, one shows a complete lack of foresight, planning or even design.

    And the funniest bit is that the SNP have centralised so much that it's always possible to put a photo of Sturgeon on the disaster as it probably requires her approval for the bridge to be closed. While the humber bridge is likely to be a highways officers deciding we can't take the risk..
    Another halfwit talking through their arse. Bridge is run by AMEY. England good Scotland Bad, just another jingoistic unionist fcukwit.

    I suppose you think Highways England negligent for not closing road and causing below:

    A 58-year-old man has died after a tree fell on his car in Hampshire during Storm Ciara on Sunday.

    Police said the man, from Micheldever, was driving on the A33 when the accident happened just before 16:00 GMT. He died at the scene.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,670
    TGOHF666 said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    In all the excitement of NH , the storyof the SNP Forth Bridge which can’t open when it’s cold - in Scotland is limited to local outlets.

    https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1227367758159122432?s=21

    Harry , you forgot to show us the Severn Road bridge closed, you unionists are just a little bit blinkered.
    That’s the old Severn Bridge - Wales’ answer to the Forth Road Bridge. The Prince of Wales Bridge is still open.
    and your point is caller, do you also dispute that high bridges all over sometimes close during adverse weather for safety reasons rather than Harry's lie that it is a thing that happens only in Scotland.
    It’s not closed due to high winds malc - it’s due to falling ice.
    I see you cannot read either Harry, I said "adverse weather". Any knuckle dragger would know that ice can form on high structures in adverse weather conditions. Only in your tiny brain was it high winds
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,670
    TGOHF666 said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    In all the excitement of NH , the storyof the SNP Forth Bridge which can’t open when it’s cold - in Scotland is limited to local outlets.

    https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1227367758159122432?s=21

    Harry , you forgot to show us the Severn Road bridge closed, you unionists are just a little bit blinkered. What is it with failures who have left Scotland and are desperate to try and pretend they are more English than the English.
    What kind of absolute moron does not know that high bridges close in extreme weather conditions, would you prefer they let motorists get killed.
    PS
    Humber Bridge closes to all traffic and pedestrians for second time in history
    'This is the only way of safeguarding everyone and ensuring there are no accidents due to the severe weather'
    PPS
    Orwell Bridge OPEN after strong winds force closure
    Any other bridges still closed malc ?

    https://twitter.com/thescotsman/status/1227489780616900608?s=21
    I am sure there are and will be more in future as sure as you will be slagging off Scotland.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,001
    edited February 2020
    Nigelb said:

    Good morning everyone. Totally O/t, but the wind seems to have dropped, at least for a bit, and it’s a rather nice winter morning.
    On topic, could I be persuaded to go out and vote, even against Trump, for someone who is almost my age? Only if he or she had a running mate who could step into their shoes.
    I know how I feel, and we saw Mr G, at a similar stage in life, reporting yesterday on cutting down on activities.

    The fire of socialism does not burn quite so brightly in Big_G, though.
    Very perceptive and very true
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453
    speedy2 said:

    Well one thing is certain at this moment, the first 4 contests don't look like they will provide any clarity as to who will be the Democratic Nominee.

    That's a first for the Democratic Primary since 1992, the Republicans had a similar issue in 2012.

    We know who wont be: Elizabeth Warren.

    And Joe needs to win S.C big to stay in the race now.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,553

    Nigelb said:

    Good morning everyone. Totally O/t, but the wind seems to have dropped, at least for a bit, and it’s a rather nice winter morning.
    On topic, could I be persuaded to go out and vote, even against Trump, for someone who is almost my age? Only if he or she had a running mate who could step into their shoes.
    I know how I feel, and we saw Mr G, at a similar stage in life, reporting yesterday on cutting down on activities.

    The fire of socialism does not burn quite so brightly in Big_G, though.
    Very perceptive and very true
    :smile:
    Good morning to you, Big_G.
  • I think Buttigieg’s biggest issue is his numbers with voters of colour as well as millennials. For all the issues of Sanders age, younger American voters certainly don’t seem keen on Buttigieg and I get why. I wonder whether those voters as well as voters of colour would turn out for Buttigieg if he were the nominee in November.


    Why wouldn’t they? He’d be the Democratic nominee and the way to stop Trump.

    I also don’t get the colour thing. First, what % of Democratic primary voters are non-white excluding Hispanics? 10% or 20%, depending on state? So, if they really don’t like him, and say he gets only 15% of their support, rather than 40-50% for other candidates, then at worst it’d make about a 7% differential on his primary votes total in the most diverse states, and probably below 3% in the rest.

    In other words, I’m struggling to see how it’s a dealbreaker, unless it’s very close.

    If Buttigieg is riding a surge, then he’ll be fine regardless. If not, and it’s a split field, then that’ll be the reason he loses. Not the ethnicity of the voters.
    African American turnout was down in 2016 so there’s no guarantee they’d turn out just to stop Trump,

    I didn’t say that Buttigieg would have issues because of voters ethnicity, but that those are demographics he doesn’t poll well with. It was a notable discussion point in 2016 that one of Sanders’ biggest issues was his lack of AA support compared to Hilary. This piece explains the issue well in terms of the importance of winning over these voters: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/whats-really-behind-pete-buttigiegs-lack-of-support-among-black-voters/amp/
  • I think Buttigieg’s biggest issue is his numbers with voters of colour as well as millennials. For all the issues of Sanders age, younger American voters certainly don’t seem keen on Buttigieg and I get why. I wonder whether those voters as well as voters of colour would turn out for Buttigieg if he were the nominee in November.

    When the alternative is Donald Trump? Yes, I think so.

    Plus I'd be curious to know if any of the swing states that the Democrat nominee needs to win off Trump is disproportionately dominated by African Americans? Wisconsin and Pennsylvania have below national average (Wisconsin close to half the national average) African American voters so that's not necessarily the key demographic to win.

    Given the margins Trump won them by, any dip in any Democrat voting bloc is potentially dangerous. If I recall correctly African American turnout was down in all the key swing states in 2016 compared to 2012. The key demographic, though, is probably going to be independents, as they generally do vote and are less likely to be affected by voter suppression efforts.

  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453
    Pulpstar said:

    Nevada is Warren's last hope I think

    There's a larger Native American population out west I guess.....
  • Objectively, it is ridiculous that the Democrats are even considering nominating a bloke who will be 80 next year to be their candidate for president.
  • I think Buttigieg’s biggest issue is his numbers with voters of colour as well as millennials. For all the issues of Sanders age, younger American voters certainly don’t seem keen on Buttigieg and I get why. I wonder whether those voters as well as voters of colour would turn out for Buttigieg if he were the nominee in November.


    Why wouldn’t they? He’d be the Democratic nominee and the way to stop Trump.

    I also don’t get the colour thing. First, what % of Democratic primary voters are non-white excluding Hispanics? 10% or 20%, depending on state? So, if they really don’t like him, and say he gets only 15% of their support, rather than 40-50% for other candidates, then at worst it’d make about a 7% differential on his primary votes total in the most diverse states, and probably below 3% in the rest.

    In other words, I’m struggling to see how it’s a dealbreaker, unless it’s very close.

    If Buttigieg is riding a surge, then he’ll be fine regardless. If not, and it’s a split field, then that’ll be the reason he loses. Not the ethnicity of the voters.
    African American turnout was down in 2016 so there’s no guarantee they’d turn out just to stop Trump,

    I didn’t say that Buttigieg would have issues because of voters ethnicity, but that those are demographics he doesn’t poll well with. It was a notable discussion point in 2016 that one of Sanders’ biggest issues was his lack of AA support compared to Hilary. This piece explains the issue well in terms of the importance of winning over these voters: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/whats-really-behind-pete-buttigiegs-lack-of-support-among-black-voters/amp/

    Independents are key. As is there not being a third party candidate.

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772

    I think Buttigieg’s biggest issue is his numbers with voters of colour as well as millennials. For all the issues of Sanders age, younger American voters certainly don’t seem keen on Buttigieg and I get why. I wonder whether those voters as well as voters of colour would turn out for Buttigieg if he were the nominee in November.

    Yes. It's not impossible that Biden manages to win in South Carolina. Then a surge for Klobuchar in Nevada and you might have four different winners for the first four states - at which point Bloomberg and his tide of cash enters the race.

    How many different winners might there be on Super Tuesday? How many candidates will make it to the convention?

    This could be a historically messy nomination and I don't think that will help the Democrats in the general.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    I think Buttigieg’s biggest issue is his numbers with voters of colour as well as millennials. For all the issues of Sanders age, younger American voters certainly don’t seem keen on Buttigieg and I get why. I wonder whether those voters as well as voters of colour would turn out for Buttigieg if he were the nominee in November.


    Why wouldn’t they? He’d be the Democratic nominee and the way to stop Trump.

    I also don’t get the colour thing. First, what % of Democratic primary voters are non-white excluding Hispanics? 10% or 20%, depending on state? So, if they really don’t like him, and say he gets only 15% of their support, rather than 40-50% for other candidates, then at worst it’d make about a 7% differential on his primary votes total in the most diverse states, and probably below 3% in the rest.

    In other words, I’m struggling to see how it’s a dealbreaker, unless it’s very close.

    If Buttigieg is riding a surge, then he’ll be fine regardless. If not, and it’s a split field, then that’ll be the reason he loses. Not the ethnicity of the voters.
    Convincing. The lesson from 2017 and 2019 UK is that voters do *not* say "a plague on both your houses," they vote for the perceived lesser of two evils. If it's Theresa May vs an anti semite they pretend not to notice the anti semitism, and vote Corbyn; Boris vs an anti-semite and they hated anti-semitism all along. (And the claim the anti semitism wasnt known about in 2017 is nonsense; Chakrabarti had reported in 2016, and she would never have been commissioned in the first place if the problem were not widely known.)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,279

    Objectively, it is ridiculous that the Democrats are even considering nominating a bloke who will be 80 next year to be their candidate for president.

    Yes and also he's far too left-wing to win over swing voters in places like Florida and Pennsylvania.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    I think Buttigieg’s biggest issue is his numbers with voters of colour as well as millennials. For all the issues of Sanders age, younger American voters certainly don’t seem keen on Buttigieg and I get why. I wonder whether those voters as well as voters of colour would turn out for Buttigieg if he were the nominee in November.

    When the alternative is Donald Trump? Yes, I think so.

    Plus I'd be curious to know if any of the swing states that the Democrat nominee needs to win off Trump is disproportionately dominated by African Americans? Wisconsin and Pennsylvania have below national average (Wisconsin close to half the national average) African American voters so that's not necessarily the key demographic to win.
    There is one theory that there are basically no swing voters in America. There is only differential turnout/energising the base.

    So depressed African American turnout is devastating for the Dems even in states where they are below national average pop count as there is no other demographic group that the Dems 'win' in their place.
  • I think Buttigieg’s biggest issue is his numbers with voters of colour as well as millennials. For all the issues of Sanders age, younger American voters certainly don’t seem keen on Buttigieg and I get why. I wonder whether those voters as well as voters of colour would turn out for Buttigieg if he were the nominee in November.


    Why wouldn’t they? He’d be the Democratic nominee and the way to stop Trump.

    I also don’t get the colour thing. First, what % of Democratic primary voters are non-white excluding Hispanics? 10% or 20%, depending on state? So, if they really don’t like him, and say he gets only 15% of their support, rather than 40-50% for other candidates, then at worst it’d make about a 7% differential on his primary votes total in the most diverse states, and probably below 3% in the rest.

    In other words, I’m struggling to see how it’s a dealbreaker, unless it’s very close.

    If Buttigieg is riding a surge, then he’ll be fine regardless. If not, and it’s a split field, then that’ll be the reason he loses. Not the ethnicity of the voters.
    African American turnout was down in 2016 so there’s no guarantee they’d turn out just to stop Trump,

    I didn’t say that Buttigieg would have issues because of voters ethnicity, but that those are demographics he doesn’t poll well with. It was a notable discussion point in 2016 that one of Sanders’ biggest issues was his lack of AA support compared to Hilary. This piece explains the issue well in terms of the importance of winning over these voters: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/whats-really-behind-pete-buttigiegs-lack-of-support-among-black-voters/amp/

    Independents are key. As is there not being a third party candidate.

    They seem set to make the same mistake as the British Labour Party recently did and elect someone who is only seen as electable by those who are gazing at their navels.
  • rkrkrk said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Starting to get excited about this market. Either Klobuchar or Buttigieg would be my biggest ever wins...

    What are your liabilities, or are you all green?
    Bloomberg and Clinton (and Trump for the Presidency).
    I went a little early on laying Bloomberg, should have realized that if there's a crazy price now, there'll probably also be a crazy or crazier price on him later.
    We’re in the same boat then.

    At least Yang was a slam dunk earner.
  • I think Buttigieg’s biggest issue is his numbers with voters of colour as well as millennials. For all the issues of Sanders age, younger American voters certainly don’t seem keen on Buttigieg and I get why. I wonder whether those voters as well as voters of colour would turn out for Buttigieg if he were the nominee in November.


    Why wouldn’t they? He’d be the Democratic nominee and the way to stop Trump.

    I also don’t get the colour thing. First, what % of Democratic primary voters are non-white excluding Hispanics? 10% or 20%, depending on state? So, if they really don’t like him, and say he gets only 15% of their support, rather than 40-50% for other candidates, then at worst it’d make about a 7% differential on his primary votes total in the most diverse states, and probably below 3% in the rest.

    In other words, I’m struggling to see how it’s a dealbreaker, unless it’s very close.

    If Buttigieg is riding a surge, then he’ll be fine regardless. If not, and it’s a split field, then that’ll be the reason he loses. Not the ethnicity of the voters.
    African American turnout was down in 2016 so there’s no guarantee they’d turn out just to stop Trump,

    I didn’t say that Buttigieg would have issues because of voters ethnicity, but that those are demographics he doesn’t poll well with. It was a notable discussion point in 2016 that one of Sanders’ biggest issues was his lack of AA support compared to Hilary. This piece explains the issue well in terms of the importance of winning over these voters: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/whats-really-behind-pete-buttigiegs-lack-of-support-among-black-voters/amp/
    2016 was coming down from a record high because Obama was the prior candidate. None of the candidates could hope to match Obama's success there. 2016 AA turnout was in line with historical turnout and probably about what will turnout this year.
  • malcolmg said:

    eek said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    In all the excitement of NH , the storyof the SNP Forth Bridge which can’t open when it’s cold - in Scotland is limited to local outlets.

    https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1227367758159122432?s=21

    snip
    There is a slight (note sarcasm) difference between closing a bridge due to high winds before an accident occurs and keeping a bridge open until 8 accidents have occurred that day and someone decides hmm better close it.

    One shows planning, one shows a complete lack of foresight, planning or even design.

    And the funniest bit is that the SNP have centralised so much that it's always possible to put a photo of Sturgeon on the disaster as it probably requires her approval for the bridge to be closed. While the humber bridge is likely to be a highways officers deciding we can't take the risk..
    A 58-year-old man has died after a tree fell on his car in Hampshire during Storm Ciara on Sunday.

    Police said the man, from Micheldever, was driving on the A33 when the accident happened just before 16:00 GMT. He died at the scene.
    Very close to my folks.
  • malcolmg said:

    eek said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    In all the excitement of NH , the storyof the SNP Forth Bridge which can’t open when it’s cold - in Scotland is limited to local outlets.

    https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1227367758159122432?s=21

    snip
    There is a slight (note sarcasm) difference between closing a bridge due to high winds before an accident occurs and keeping a bridge open until 8 accidents have occurred that day and someone decides hmm better close it.

    One shows planning, one shows a complete lack of foresight, planning or even design.

    And the funniest bit is that the SNP have centralised so much that it's always possible to put a photo of Sturgeon on the disaster as it probably requires her approval for the bridge to be closed. While the humber bridge is likely to be a highways officers deciding we can't take the risk..
    Another halfwit talking through their arse. Bridge is run by AMEY. England good Scotland Bad, just another jingoistic unionist fcukwit.

    I suppose you think Highways England negligent for not closing road and causing below:

    A 58-year-old man has died after a tree fell on his car in Hampshire during Storm Ciara on Sunday.

    Police said the man, from Micheldever, was driving on the A33 when the accident happened just before 16:00 GMT. He died at the scene.
    Nationalist Neanderthal accuses another person of jingoism and being a halfwit. Oh the irony.
  • Alistair said:

    I think Buttigieg’s biggest issue is his numbers with voters of colour as well as millennials. For all the issues of Sanders age, younger American voters certainly don’t seem keen on Buttigieg and I get why. I wonder whether those voters as well as voters of colour would turn out for Buttigieg if he were the nominee in November.

    When the alternative is Donald Trump? Yes, I think so.

    Plus I'd be curious to know if any of the swing states that the Democrat nominee needs to win off Trump is disproportionately dominated by African Americans? Wisconsin and Pennsylvania have below national average (Wisconsin close to half the national average) African American voters so that's not necessarily the key demographic to win.
    There is one theory that there are basically no swing voters in America. There is only differential turnout/energising the base.

    So depressed African American turnout is devastating for the Dems even in states where they are below national average pop count as there is no other demographic group that the Dems 'win' in their place.
    With respect though I think that theory is bollocks. It conveniently appeals to extremists to appeal to their own extremes rather than the swing but it doesn't explain key swing states results like Wisconsin etc last time or prior results.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,279
    edited February 2020
    O/T

    "The Church of England is "still deeply institutionally racist", the Archbishop of Canterbury has said.
    The Most Reverend Justin Welby said at a meeting of the Church's ruling body, the General Synod, that he was "ashamed" of its history of racism.
    Mr Welby's words came as Synod members backed a motion to apologise for racism in the Church of England since the arrival of the Windrush generation.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51469566
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,952
    Andy_JS said:

    Objectively, it is ridiculous that the Democrats are even considering nominating a bloke who will be 80 next year to be their candidate for president.

    Yes and also he's far too left-wing to win over swing voters in places like Florida and Pennsylvania.
    Most Americans aren't going to bother seeing any difference between a Socialist and a Commie.

    Bernie will be set up as the biggest threat posed to the USA by Communism since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
  • I think Buttigieg’s biggest issue is his numbers with voters of colour as well as millennials. For all the issues of Sanders age, younger American voters certainly don’t seem keen on Buttigieg and I get why. I wonder whether those voters as well as voters of colour would turn out for Buttigieg if he were the nominee in November.

    When the alternative is Donald Trump? Yes, I think so.

    Plus I'd be curious to know if any of the swing states that the Democrat nominee needs to win off Trump is disproportionately dominated by African Americans? Wisconsin and Pennsylvania have below national average (Wisconsin close to half the national average) African American voters so that's not necessarily the key demographic to win.

    Given the margins Trump won them by, any dip in any Democrat voting bloc is potentially dangerous. If I recall correctly African American turnout was down in all the key swing states in 2016 compared to 2012. The key demographic, though, is probably going to be independents, as they generally do vote and are less likely to be affected by voter suppression efforts.

    African turnout in 2016 shouldn't be compared to 2012, it should be compared to 2004 and earlier.

    Obama got an unnaturally large boost in turnout that no other candidate has ever received. A myth has set in that AA turnout fell in 2016 but it was really just a reversion to mean.

    2012 was the only election EVER where African American turnout was above white turnout, that had never happened and it is unrealistic to think that will happen again with any of these candidates at all.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,708

    Andy_JS said:

    Objectively, it is ridiculous that the Democrats are even considering nominating a bloke who will be 80 next year to be their candidate for president.

    Yes and also he's far too left-wing to win over swing voters in places like Florida and Pennsylvania.
    Most Americans aren't going to bother seeing any difference between a Socialist and a Commie.

    Bernie will be set up as the biggest threat posed to the USA by Communism since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
    Already news outlets are reporting Sanders would be the most left-wing Democratic nominee since they picked George McGovern to take on President Nixon in 1972
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    I think Buttigieg’s biggest issue is his numbers with voters of colour as well as millennials. For all the issues of Sanders age, younger American voters certainly don’t seem keen on Buttigieg and I get why. I wonder whether those voters as well as voters of colour would turn out for Buttigieg if he were the nominee in November.

    When the alternative is Donald Trump? Yes, I think so.

    Plus I'd be curious to know if any of the swing states that the Democrat nominee needs to win off Trump is disproportionately dominated by African Americans? Wisconsin and Pennsylvania have below national average (Wisconsin close to half the national average) African American voters so that's not necessarily the key demographic to win.
    There is one theory that there are basically no swing voters in America. There is only differential turnout/energising the base.

    So depressed African American turnout is devastating for the Dems even in states where they are below national average pop count as there is no other demographic group that the Dems 'win' in their place.
    With respect though I think that theory is bollocks. It conveniently appeals to extremists to appeal to their own extremes rather than the swing but it doesn't explain key swing states results like Wisconsin etc last time or prior results.
    It does explain Wisconsin though. Trump was unappealing to Wisconsin Republicans and got less votes than Romney. Clinton utterly repulsed Wisconsin Democrats and saw the Dem voter crater into the floor giving the state to Trump.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,708
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    "The Church of England is "still deeply institutionally racist", the Archbishop of Canterbury has said.
    The Most Reverend Justin Welby said at a meeting of the Church's ruling body, the General Synod, that he was "ashamed" of its history of racism.
    Mr Welby's words came as Synod members backed a motion to apologise for racism in the Church of England since the arrival of the Windrush generation.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51469566

    Yet the post of Archbishop of York, the 2nd most powerful post in the church, is held by a black man
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    "The Church of England is "still deeply institutionally racist", the Archbishop of Canterbury has said.
    The Most Reverend Justin Welby said at a meeting of the Church's ruling body, the General Synod, that he was "ashamed" of its history of racism.
    Mr Welby's words came as Synod members backed a motion to apologise for racism in the Church of England since the arrival of the Windrush generation.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51469566

    Yet the post of Archbishop of York, the 2nd most powerful post in the church, is held by a black man
    An Obama was president of America which, as we know, ended racism in America one and for all.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    At the end of the day Trump got a lower vote percentage than Romney across America.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,050

    I think Buttigieg’s biggest issue is his numbers with voters of colour as well as millennials. For all the issues of Sanders age, younger American voters certainly don’t seem keen on Buttigieg and I get why. I wonder whether those voters as well as voters of colour would turn out for Buttigieg if he were the nominee in November.


    Why wouldn’t they? He’d be the Democratic nominee and the way to stop Trump.

    I also don’t get the colour thing. First, what % of Democratic primary voters are non-white excluding Hispanics? 10% or 20%, depending on state? So, if they really don’t like him, and say he gets only 15% of their support, rather than 40-50% for other candidates, then at worst it’d make about a 7% differential on his primary votes total in the most diverse states, and probably below 3% in the rest.

    In other words, I’m struggling to see how it’s a dealbreaker, unless it’s very close.

    If Buttigieg is riding a surge, then he’ll be fine regardless. If not, and it’s a split field, then that’ll be the reason he loses. Not the ethnicity of the voters.
    African American turnout was down in 2016 so there’s no guarantee they’d turn out just to stop Trump,

    I didn’t say that Buttigieg would have issues because of voters ethnicity, but that those are demographics he doesn’t poll well with. It was a notable discussion point in 2016 that one of Sanders’ biggest issues was his lack of AA support compared to Hilary. This piece explains the issue well in terms of the importance of winning over these voters: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/whats-really-behind-pete-buttigiegs-lack-of-support-among-black-voters/amp/

    Independents are key. As is there not being a third party candidate.

    Amy polls well with the Independents...
  • Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    "The Church of England is "still deeply institutionally racist", the Archbishop of Canterbury has said.
    The Most Reverend Justin Welby said at a meeting of the Church's ruling body, the General Synod, that he was "ashamed" of its history of racism.
    Mr Welby's words came as Synod members backed a motion to apologise for racism in the Church of England since the arrival of the Windrush generation.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51469566

    What is the Old Etonian arch-druid on about? (Wikipedia is of no help here.)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,553

    Andy_JS said:

    Objectively, it is ridiculous that the Democrats are even considering nominating a bloke who will be 80 next year to be their candidate for president.

    Yes and also he's far too left-wing to win over swing voters in places like Florida and Pennsylvania.
    Most Americans aren't going to bother seeing any difference between a Socialist and a Commie.

    Bernie will be set up as the biggest threat posed to the USA by Communism since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
    On a similar basis, most Americans can see no difference between Trump and a fascist...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,708
    Alistair said:

    At the end of the day Trump got a lower vote percentage than Romney across America.

    Irrelevant as the electoral college decides the President which Trump won and Romney lost
  • Mr. JohnL, the archdruid left a while ago. It's the archsocialist now.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,708
    edited February 2020

    Mr. JohnL, the archdruid left a while ago. It's the archsocialist now.

    Welby is not a socialist, he used to work for Elf and Equitine Oil.

    My partner used to work for him in Canterbury, he is the most conservative Archbishop since Carey (albeit that does not mean much)
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,072
    HYUFD said:

    Alistair said:

    At the end of the day Trump got a lower vote percentage than Romney across America.

    Irrelevant as the electoral college decides the President which Trump won and Romney lost
    Fascinating.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,952
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Objectively, it is ridiculous that the Democrats are even considering nominating a bloke who will be 80 next year to be their candidate for president.

    Yes and also he's far too left-wing to win over swing voters in places like Florida and Pennsylvania.
    Most Americans aren't going to bother seeing any difference between a Socialist and a Commie.

    Bernie will be set up as the biggest threat posed to the USA by Communism since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
    On a similar basis, most Americans can see no difference between Trump and a fascist...
    Except, Trump has already been elected by the USA.
  • HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    "The Church of England is "still deeply institutionally racist", the Archbishop of Canterbury has said.
    The Most Reverend Justin Welby said at a meeting of the Church's ruling body, the General Synod, that he was "ashamed" of its history of racism.
    Mr Welby's words came as Synod members backed a motion to apologise for racism in the Church of England since the arrival of the Windrush generation.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51469566

    Yet the post of Archbishop of York, the 2nd most powerful post in the church, is held by a black man
    Welby’s lost it. What on earth is he hoping to achieve by spouting such bollocks?

    He’s fast turning into his right-on predecessor, the bearded wonder.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,392
    I saw 18 crows this morning. Then another one turned up.

    I think I've been exposed to Corvid 19.

  • eekeek Posts: 24,797

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    "The Church of England is "still deeply institutionally racist", the Archbishop of Canterbury has said.
    The Most Reverend Justin Welby said at a meeting of the Church's ruling body, the General Synod, that he was "ashamed" of its history of racism.
    Mr Welby's words came as Synod members backed a motion to apologise for racism in the Church of England since the arrival of the Windrush generation.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51469566

    Yet the post of Archbishop of York, the 2nd most powerful post in the church, is held by a black man
    Welby’s lost it. What on earth is he hoping to achieve by spouting such bollocks?

    He’s fast turning into his right-on predecessor, the bearded wonder.
    If he thinks the church is racist - it should look at it's congregations. I find the more traditional (i.e. catholic) the church is the more welcoming they really are

    Most churches seem to be people's attempt to whitewash their actual (racist and homophobic) beliefs..
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    HYUFD said:

    Alistair said:

    At the end of the day Trump got a lower vote percentage than Romney across America.

    Irrelevant as the electoral college decides the President which Trump won and Romney lost
    But relevant when talking about swing voters and demographics.

    Also when discussing the notion that Trump surged to victory as opposed to Clinton collapsing to a loss.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,670

    malcolmg said:

    eek said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    In all the excitement of NH , the storyof the SNP Forth Bridge which can’t open when it’s cold - in Scotland is limited to local outlets.

    https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1227367758159122432?s=21

    snip
    There is a slight (note sarcasm) difference between closing a bridge due to high winds before an accident occurs and keeping a bridge open until 8 accidents have occurred that day and someone decides hmm better close it.

    One shows planning, one shows a complete lack of foresight, planning or even design.

    And the funniest bit is that the SNP have centralised so much that it's always possible to put a photo of Sturgeon on the disaster as it probably requires her approval for the bridge to be closed. While the humber bridge is likely to be a highways officers deciding we can't take the risk..
    Another halfwit talking through their arse. Bridge is run by AMEY. England good Scotland Bad, just another jingoistic unionist fcukwit.

    I suppose you think Highways England negligent for not closing road and causing below:

    A 58-year-old man has died after a tree fell on his car in Hampshire during Storm Ciara on Sunday.

    Police said the man, from Micheldever, was driving on the A33 when the accident happened just before 16:00 GMT. He died at the scene.
    Nationalist Neanderthal accuses another person of jingoism and being a halfwit. Oh the irony.
    Cockroach alert
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,287
    NEW FRED
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    ydoethur said:

    MikeL said:

    Sanders now 2.74 for Dem Nom - having been 2.5 earlier this evening.

    Suggests the market shares these doubts.

    Yes, as a natural Sanders sympathiser I think the narrow win is disappointing - Sanders needs to give an impression of overwhelming momentum, and he can't rely on a split centrist vote indefinitely. On the whole, I think Buttigieg has most to be pleased about.
    How did it all go wrong for a 77 year old with a heart condition who isn’t even a Democrat?
    It’s almost as if some people are attracted to parasitic entryists.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    speedy2 said:

    Buttigieg's speech reminds me heavily of Neil Kinnock's.

    "Not this, but that, not in favour, but against" ect ect.

    I’m sure that Kinnock copied a Biden speech
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    BigRich said:

    Bill Weld has got over 11,000 and over 9% in the republican primary, good for him, but i think this will be his best result.

    My wife is planning to vote for him
  • NEW THREAD

  • Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    "The Church of England is "still deeply institutionally racist", the Archbishop of Canterbury has said.
    The Most Reverend Justin Welby said at a meeting of the Church's ruling body, the General Synod, that he was "ashamed" of its history of racism.
    Mr Welby's words came as Synod members backed a motion to apologise for racism in the Church of England since the arrival of the Windrush generation.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51469566

    I can't help but believe that on the "eye of a needle" principle, the views and concerns of The Most Reverend Justin Welby would be taken somewhat more seriously were he to come clean about his own finances. A statement of his and his wife's income from all sources over say the last three years, coupled with an approximation of his current total wealth, including the value any significant lifetime gifts he has made to his immediate family. If this is likely to prove a somewhat lengthy and complex exercise to undertake, an estimate of his wealth to say the nearest couple of £million should suffice for now.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,050
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    "The Church of England is "still deeply institutionally racist", the Archbishop of Canterbury has said.
    The Most Reverend Justin Welby said at a meeting of the Church's ruling body, the General Synod, that he was "ashamed" of its history of racism.
    Mr Welby's words came as Synod members backed a motion to apologise for racism in the Church of England since the arrival of the Windrush generation.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51469566

    Yet the post of Archbishop of York, the 2nd most powerful post in the church, is held by a black man
    Welby’s lost it. What on earth is he hoping to achieve by spouting such bollocks?

    He’s fast turning into his right-on predecessor, the bearded wonder.
    If he thinks the church is racist - it should look at it's congregations. I find the more traditional (i.e. catholic) the church is the more welcoming they really are

    Most churches seem to be people's attempt to whitewash their actual (racist and homophobic) beliefs..
    Despite the activities of many individual Christians over the centuries, places of worship are amongst the most segregated parts of our lives. True of non-Christian religions too. I don't think this intentional, indeed my own church actively reaches out to other communities.

    Last year I was at a Nonconformist Christian conference centre at Swannick, at the same time as 3 other Christian organisations. Everyone was very friendly, but there was little mixing between the organisations. One was a very Charismatic church womens group from Southern Africa.

    I chatted to some of them on the way to one of my sessions, and they invited me to their worship, but sadly I had to decline as I was speaking at our own session. It certainly looked fun, though not quite my usual cup of tea!
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    I think Buttigieg’s biggest issue is his numbers with voters of colour as well as millennials. For all the issues of Sanders age, younger American voters certainly don’t seem keen on Buttigieg and I get why. I wonder whether those voters as well as voters of colour would turn out for Buttigieg if he were the nominee in November.

    Because he’s a sellout corporate shill and McKinsey suit?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    "The Church of England is "still deeply institutionally racist", the Archbishop of Canterbury has said.
    The Most Reverend Justin Welby said at a meeting of the Church's ruling body, the General Synod, that he was "ashamed" of its history of racism.
    Mr Welby's words came as Synod members backed a motion to apologise for racism in the Church of England since the arrival of the Windrush generation.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51469566

    Yet the post of Archbishop of York, the 2nd most powerful post in the church, is held by a black man
    Third
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    "The Church of England is "still deeply institutionally racist", the Archbishop of Canterbury has said.
    The Most Reverend Justin Welby said at a meeting of the Church's ruling body, the General Synod, that he was "ashamed" of its history of racism.
    Mr Welby's words came as Synod members backed a motion to apologise for racism in the Church of England since the arrival of the Windrush generation.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51469566

    What is the Old Etonian arch-druid on about? (Wikipedia is of no help here.)
    I assume the Victorians believed in muscular Christianity
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