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"Stop Crying Your Heart Out", Oasis. Quite bittersweet song...ThomasNashe said:Brexit eve - and I switch on Radio 3 only to find they're playing Beethoven's 9th Symphony. Do these rootless metropolitan citizens of nowhere never learn? Surely, it should be wall to wall Elgar at this time?
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Listen to his comments . Apparently the Coronavirus will be good for American jobs ! Is it acceptable to be making those sorts of comments when people are dying from the virus .ralphmalph said:
"Suck up to" - Huawei decision not reached EU passport land yet?nico67 said:Absolutely astonishing and utterly disgusting comments from the US trade secretary on the Coronavirus.
And these are the people the UK will now have to suck up to .
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I agree Rufus S was good - very good, just the right mix of cold and efficient, but troubled. I think, however, the problem was that the show runners took the drama down the wrong road entirely, The rebels they focused on were LESS morally and emotionally interesting than the compromised Americans working for the Japs and Nazis.Theuniondivvie said:
He gave pretty good Oberst-Gruppenführer. It was very stylish and promised quite well at the start, just couldn't support 417 episodes or whatever it was.viewcode said:
Am I the only person on here who actually liked The Man In The High Castle? Well, the leaked versions on youtube anyway. Although it has to be said Rufus Sewell is beginning to age out: his hair now has that wispy cloud look to it. And he still hasn't got any lips.Theuniondivvie said:Hopefully this will be good, at least it doesn't look like it'll turn into a wallowing mess like Man In The High Castle.
https://twitter.com/HBO/status/1222950102425272320?s=20
If the writers had stayed with Rufus and Co, and their equivalents in LA, they could have had an epic series. Majestic. One of the best ever. The idea was that good. But they fucked it up.0 -
Silver prewar.viewcode said:
I am going to show my age here, but... weren't they more sort of yellowish?geoffw said:
Should be a silver threepenny bit.Omnium said:
Oddly I think that all sixpennies in Xmas puds are the brightest in that there should only be one.Byronic said:
You're not the brightest sixpence in the Christmas pud, are you?Nigelb said:
Dolt ?Byronic said:
I voted Remain, you dolt. Don't blame me for this shit showFoxy said:
Leavers just want someone to blame. That's all there is to it, a denial of their culpability.Byronic said:
I know, And it's gonna be brilliant. And if it's shit we will blame it on you Remainer arseholes who tried to stop it for three and a half years of disgraceful anti democratic wankery,rottenborough said:
Thanks. But I will pass on this one. At 11pm tomorrow, I will drink a valedictory toast - probably a talisker - to the end of our days in the EU.Byronic said:REJOICE. We are leaving.
REJOICE.
You own this now.
Win-win for us. Suck it up, loser.
I have already covered myself with ashes for my insane Remain vote. I am now an enthusiastic midshipman on HMS FUCK IT LET'S DO THIS
Yep.0 -
I think that was SeanT not Byronic.ydoethur said:
Limit to what can be done with the source material though. For somebody who identifies as an atheist, Pullman does love his deus ex machina.Byronic said:
Is that even true? I've heard that their version of Dracula was just awful.viewcode said:
Whereas we only produce good drama when Steven Moffat and Mark Gattis get their hands on something that's no longer in copyright, and then only for three episodes if Benefit Cabbagepatch has a gap in filming...Alistair said:
Some American dramas should be half a season long, but due to the rapacious demands of syndication and the half year schedule they get dragged out to 20+ episodes.Byronic said:
The first series was excellent, but wow it declined fast. Even faster than Homeland maybeviewcode said:
Am I the only person on here who actually liked The Man In The High Castle? Well, the leaked versions on youtube anyway. Although it has to be said Rufus Sewell is beginning to age out: his hair now has that wispy cloud look to it. And he still hasn't got any lips.Theuniondivvie said:Hopefully this will be good, at least it doesn't look like it'll turn into a wallowing mess like Man In The High Castle.
https://twitter.com/HBO/status/1222950102425272320?s=20
Some dramas are simply meant to be one series long. If there is a fault in the American TV system (otherwise so creative) it is this: they cannot resist sequels to profitable shows,
His Dark Materials was earnest PC drivel
How did your wife take the election result, btw? I seem to recall she was a disillusioned Corbynista. Or have I got that wrong?-1 -
The key is sincerity. If you can fake sincerity, you've got it made.FF43 said:
Be yourself and don't overanalyse. If you are genuinely enthusiastic about something, it will come through.Gallowgate said:Cheers everyone. I see the error of my ways.
You said in explanation, "I’ve worked for a company that worked in a similar way." That seems a very good way of putting it. (Maybe find a synonym for the second "work")
George Burns. Probably a misquote.0 -
Tomorrow at 11.00 pm will be a cup of tea and a rich tea biscuit and maybe watching tv
My wife and I will be interested in this historic event, but hope Boris is statesmanlike and respects those remainers who will be hurting so much
We must move on and at least accept we are no longer a EU memberstate0 -
Pretty much agree with that. Fleabag was a notable exception, but the days of Dennis Potter are long gone.Byronic said:
Is that even true? I've heard that their version of Dracula was just awful.viewcode said:
Whereas we only produce good drama when Steven Moffat and Mark Gattis get their hands on something that's no longer in copyright, and then only for three episodes if Benefit Cabbagepatch has a gap in filming...Alistair said:
Some American dramas should be half a season long, but due to the rapacious demands of syndication and the half year schedule they get dragged out to 20+ episodes.Byronic said:
The first series was excellent, but wow it declined fast. Even faster than Homeland maybeviewcode said:
Am I the only person on here who actually liked The Man In The High Castle? Well, the leaked versions on youtube anyway. Although it has to be said Rufus Sewell is beginning to age out: his hair now has that wispy cloud look to it. And he still hasn't got any lips.Theuniondivvie said:Hopefully this will be good, at least it doesn't look like it'll turn into a wallowing mess like Man In The High Castle.
https://twitter.com/HBO/status/1222950102425272320?s=20
Some dramas are simply meant to be one series long. If there is a fault in the American TV system (otherwise so creative) it is this: they cannot resist sequels to profitable shows,
His Dark Materials was earnest PC drivel
And my wife - 24 - reliably informs me that the so-called brilliant Sex Education is about as bad as Mrs Brown's Boys
The decline of British TV in my lifetime is one of the great tragedies of our national culture. Devoured by a pincer movement of lefty identity politics and cheap commercialisation.0 -
I’m going to be battered in a pub somewhere in Newcastle.Big_G_NorthWales said:Tomorrow at 11.00 pm will be acup of teavand a rich tea biscuit and maybe watching tv
My wife and I will be interested in this historic event but hope Boris is statesmanlike and respect those remainers who will be hurting so much
We must move on and at least accept we are no longer a EU memberstate0 -
Really? That sounds a bit fishy to me.Gallowgate said:
I’m going to be battered in a pub somewhere in Newcastle.Big_G_NorthWales said:Tomorrow at 11.00 pm will be acup of teavand a rich tea biscuit and maybe watching tv
My wife and I will be interested in this historic event but hope Boris is statesmanlike and respect those remainers who will be hurting so much
We must move on and at least accept we are no longer a EU memberstate1 -
Of course not, but your use of the word suck it up was unnecessary, especially in view of Boris's actions this weeknico67 said:
Listen to his comments . Apparently the Coronavirus will be good for American jobs ! Is it acceptable to be making those sorts of comments when people are dying from the virus .ralphmalph said:
"Suck up to" - Huawei decision not reached EU passport land yet?nico67 said:Absolutely astonishing and utterly disgusting comments from the US trade secretary on the Coronavirus.
And these are the people the UK will now have to suck up to .0 -
Episode 1 was brillant, episode 2 was good, episode 3 was crippled by cod psychology, the decision to change the setting and (for me at least) some repellent bits of horror.Byronic said:
Is that even true? I've heard that their version of Dracula was just awful...viewcode said:
Whereas we only produce good drama when Steven Moffat and Mark Gattis get their hands on something that's no longer in copyright, and then only for three episodes if Benefit Cabbagepatch has a gap in filming...Alistair said:
Some American dramas should be half a season long, but due to the rapacious demands of syndication and the half year schedule they get dragged out to 20+ episodes.Byronic said:
The first series was excellent, but wow it declined fast. Even faster than Homeland maybeviewcode said:
Am I the only person on here who actually liked The Man In The High Castle? Well, the leaked versions on youtube anyway. Although it has to be said Rufus Sewell is beginning to age out: his hair now has that wispy cloud look to it. And he still hasn't got any lips.Theuniondivvie said:Hopefully this will be good, at least it doesn't look like it'll turn into a wallowing mess like Man In The High Castle.
https://twitter.com/HBO/status/1222950102425272320?s=20
Some dramas are simply meant to be one series long. If there is a fault in the American TV system (otherwise so creative) it is this: they cannot resist sequels to profitable shows,
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'Howay the lads' !!!Gallowgate said:
I’m going to be battered in a pub somewhere in Newcastle.Big_G_NorthWales said:Tomorrow at 11.00 pm will be acup of teavand a rich tea biscuit and maybe watching tv
My wife and I will be interested in this historic event but hope Boris is statesmanlike and respect those remainers who will be hurting so much
We must move on and at least accept we are no longer a EU memberstate0 -
I thought Dracula was very good. They are not the best at writing 'modern young people's' dialogue. But that's true of all BBC shows. And most of them are bad at everyone's dialogue.ydoethur said:
Limit to what can be done with the source material though. For somebody who identifies as an atheist, Pullman does love his deus ex machina.Byronic said:
Is that even true? I've heard that their version of Dracula was just awful.viewcode said:
Whereas we only produce good drama when Steven Moffat and Mark Gattis get their hands on something that's no longer in copyright, and then only for three episodes if Benefit Cabbagepatch has a gap in filming...Alistair said:
Some American dramas should be half a season long, but due to the rapacious demands of syndication and the half year schedule they get dragged out to 20+ episodes.Byronic said:
The first series was excellent, but wow it declined fast. Even faster than Homeland maybeviewcode said:
Am I the only person on here who actually liked The Man In The High Castle? Well, the leaked versions on youtube anyway. Although it has to be said Rufus Sewell is beginning to age out: his hair now has that wispy cloud look to it. And he still hasn't got any lips.Theuniondivvie said:Hopefully this will be good, at least it doesn't look like it'll turn into a wallowing mess like Man In The High Castle.
https://twitter.com/HBO/status/1222950102425272320?s=20
Some dramas are simply meant to be one series long. If there is a fault in the American TV system (otherwise so creative) it is this: they cannot resist sequels to profitable shows,
His Dark Materials was earnest PC drivel
How did your wife take the election result, btw? I seem to recall she was a disillusioned Corbynista. Or have I got that wrong?0 -
Good grief, that's going back a bit...geoffw said:
Before the brass 12-edged ones.viewcode said:
I am going to show my age here, but... weren't they more sort of yellowish?geoffw said:
Should be a silver threepenny bit.Omnium said:
Oddly I think that all sixpennies in Xmas puds are the brightest in that there should only be one.Byronic said:
You're not the brightest sixpence in the Christmas pud, are you?Nigelb said:
Dolt ?Byronic said:
I voted Remain, you dolt. Don't blame me for this shit showFoxy said:
Leavers just want someone to blame. That's all there is to it, a denial of their culpability.Byronic said:
I know, And it's gonna be brilliant. And if it's shit we will blame it on you Remainer arseholes who tried to stop it for three and a half years of disgraceful anti democratic wankery,rottenborough said:
Thanks. But I will pass on this one. At 11pm tomorrow, I will drink a valedictory toast - probably a talisker - to the end of our days in the EU.Byronic said:REJOICE. We are leaving.
REJOICE.
You own this now.
Win-win for us. Suck it up, loser.
I have already covered myself with ashes for my insane Remain vote. I am now an enthusiastic midshipman on HMS FUCK IT LET'S DO THIS
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Will this be the title of the new head of state of an independent Scotland?Theuniondivvie said:
He gave pretty good Oberst-Gruppenführer. It was very stylish and promised quite well at the startviewcode said:
Am I the only person on here who actually liked The Man In The High Castle? Well, the leaked versions on youtube anyway. Although it has to be said Rufus Sewell is beginning to age out: his hair now has that wispy cloud look to it. And he still hasn't got any lips.Theuniondivvie said:Hopefully this will be good, at least it doesn't look like it'll turn into a wallowing mess like Man In The High Castle.
https://twitter.com/HBO/status/1222950102425272320?s=20
Asking for a friend.0 -
Sex Education is very good. It's mainly good because it's a well written drama and the 'sex' simply adds depth to it, without being the central feature.Gallowgate said:
Sex Education is fantastic. Your wife is wrong.Byronic said:
Is that even true? I've heard that their version of Dracula was just awful.viewcode said:
Whereas we only produce good drama when Steven Moffat and Mark Gattis get their hands on something that's no longer in copyright, and then only for three episodes if Benefit Cabbagepatch has a gap in filming...Alistair said:
Some American dramas should be half a season long, but due to the rapacious demands of syndication and the half year schedule they get dragged out to 20+ episodes.Byronic said:
The first series was excellent, but wow it declined fast. Even faster than Homeland maybeviewcode said:
Am I the only person on here who actually liked The Man In The High Castle? Well, the leaked versions on youtube anyway. Although it has to be said Rufus Sewell is beginning to age out: his hair now has that wispy cloud look to it. And he still hasn't got any lips.Theuniondivvie said:Hopefully this will be good, at least it doesn't look like it'll turn into a wallowing mess like Man In The High Castle.
https://twitter.com/HBO/status/1222950102425272320?s=20
Some dramas are simply meant to be one series long. If there is a fault in the American TV system (otherwise so creative) it is this: they cannot resist sequels to profitable shows,
His Dark Materials was earnest PC drivel
And my wife - 24 - reliably informs me that the so-called brilliant Sex Education is about as bad as Mrs Brown's Boys
The decline of British TV in my lifetime is one of the great tragedies of our national culture. Devoured by a pincer movement of lefty identity politics and cheap commercialisation.
(It's way more PC than the BBC could hope to dream of but surprisingly it's not irritating and preachy about it, as they would make it, so doesn't grate)0 -
It's well worth reading the report on the issue from the NCSC, and the blog posts from the NCSC are very good too. I'm really quite impressed by the whole approach taken and the reasoning behind it.Malmesbury said:Off topic - has anyone else noticed the lack of complaint from the US *and* China on the Huawei plan?
Either the most brilliant accidental compromise or negotiated....
The advice is a good compromise between using Huawei kit where appropriate and where safeguards can be applied, and equally avoiding just handing a blank cheque to their competitors and increasing dependence on one or two suppliers. The report even mentions the need to pursue more open standards, like OpenRAN, and promoting new suppliers so that in future we can actually drop suppliers if we want to, without ending up with all our eggs in one basket, which is a big risk in itself.
The government will still get a lot of stick from the press, opposition parties, and some rabid right-wingers, but for once I think the people "in the know" have prevailed and the government has followed their advice. I'm honestly surprised that the government didn't take the politically easier route of simply banning Huawei outright in the name of "national security".
I that hope behind the scenes the UK government have explained to the US government that if we don't use Huawei we'll end up paying more for worse kit, and be very dependent on two suppliers (realistically only Nokia and Ericsson are serious options) who likely have many similar security issues.2 -
We are watching the grisly and pathetic sight of Leavers, with political body integrity dysmorphia, strapping our legs to the railway line in order to perform a homemade amputation and getting wide-eyed with erotic fulfilment as they brace themselves for the onrushing train.Byronic said:
It's good to see that Brexit hasn't deprived you of your unique brand of weirdly sneering pomposity, laced with poisonous self importance.AlastairMeeks said:
No, pb is stuffed full of self-proclaimed moderate Leavers who enthusiastically fell in behind a campaign that succeeded by frightening people into falsely believing that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain. Which is far more contemptible, because they decided that pursuing their obsessive hatred of the EU justified debasing democracy and everything decent about this country. As their subsequent actions showed only too clearly.Luckyguy1983 said:
Being familiar with TUD's oeuvre, I believe he meant to mock a section of PBers that he imagines to despise 'them thar continental types' by highlighting a tweet that shows them to be doing a sweet gesture. However, given that Jim Davidson, Ann Widdecombe and Mark Francois don't actually post here, it was somewhat misdirected.Omnium said:
I think "bastard" in common usage has come to mean someone you actually like, but find yourself at temporary disagreement with. That seems perhaps to be more of a Scottish thing. (They being of the sort that constant disagreement amongst the closest of friends is commonplace)Luckyguy1983 said:
Why would anyone think they're bastards? Love people from the continent. Hope (and feel sure) we'll stay friends. Don't want to participate in an incipient superstate with them. If they do, wish them all the best.Theuniondivvie said:The absolute bastards!
https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1222928005141532677?s=20
They'll feel a sense of inexpressible fulfilment in the aftermath but anyone who is not possessed by their bizarre obsession will just feel an overwhelming and irreversible sense of loss.0 -
I would echo that re Dracula.viewcode said:
Episode 1 was brillant, episode 2 was good, episode 3 was crippled by cod psychology, the decision to change the setting and (for me at least) some repellent bits of horror.Byronic said:
Is that even true? I've heard that their version of Dracula was just awful...viewcode said:
Whereas we only produce good drama when Steven Moffat and Mark Gattis get their hands on something that's no longer in copyright, and then only for three episodes if Benefit Cabbagepatch has a gap in filming...Alistair said:
Some American dramas should be half a season long, but due to the rapacious demands of syndication and the half year schedule they get dragged out to 20+ episodes.Byronic said:
The first series was excellent, but wow it declined fast. Even faster than Homeland maybeviewcode said:
Am I the only person on here who actually liked The Man In The High Castle? Well, the leaked versions on youtube anyway. Although it has to be said Rufus Sewell is beginning to age out: his hair now has that wispy cloud look to it. And he still hasn't got any lips.Theuniondivvie said:Hopefully this will be good, at least it doesn't look like it'll turn into a wallowing mess like Man In The High Castle.
https://twitter.com/HBO/status/1222950102425272320?s=20
Some dramas are simply meant to be one series long. If there is a fault in the American TV system (otherwise so creative) it is this: they cannot resist sequels to profitable shows,
Best two series over Christmas were A Christmas Carol (brilliant) and His Dark Materials, imo.0 -
Seconded. HDM was also very good.Gallowgate said:
Sex Education is fantastic. Your wife is wrong.Byronic said:
Is that even true? I've heard that their version of Dracula was just awful.viewcode said:
Whereas we only produce good drama when Steven Moffat and Mark Gattis get their hands on something that's no longer in copyright, and then only for three episodes if Benefit Cabbagepatch has a gap in filming...Alistair said:
Some American dramas should be half a season long, but due to the rapacious demands of syndication and the half year schedule they get dragged out to 20+ episodes.Byronic said:
The first series was excellent, but wow it declined fast. Even faster than Homeland maybeviewcode said:
Am I the only person on here who actually liked The Man In The High Castle? Well, the leaked versions on youtube anyway. Although it has to be said Rufus Sewell is beginning to age out: his hair now has that wispy cloud look to it. And he still hasn't got any lips.Theuniondivvie said:Hopefully this will be good, at least it doesn't look like it'll turn into a wallowing mess like Man In The High Castle.
https://twitter.com/HBO/status/1222950102425272320?s=20
Some dramas are simply meant to be one series long. If there is a fault in the American TV system (otherwise so creative) it is this: they cannot resist sequels to profitable shows,
His Dark Materials was earnest PC drivel
And my wife - 24 - reliably informs me that the so-called brilliant Sex Education is about as bad as Mrs Brown's Boys
The decline of British TV in my lifetime is one of the great tragedies of our national culture. Devoured by a pincer movement of lefty identity politics and cheap commercialisation.0 -
Ah! Pubs of the Quayside take me back to my student days. The Crown Posada, The Bridge Hotel, The Redhouse were my favourites. All still going, I trust?Gallowgate said:
I’m going to be battered in a pub somewhere in Newcastle.Big_G_NorthWales said:Tomorrow at 11.00 pm will be acup of teavand a rich tea biscuit and maybe watching tv
My wife and I will be interested in this historic event but hope Boris is statesmanlike and respect those remainers who will be hurting so much
We must move on and at least accept we are no longer a EU memberstate
Despite these being dark days for the pub industry, that is one location where I think it's still possible to turn a healthy profit!0 -
Exactly. How did the EU protect us from the USA exactly? Same way it supposedly protected us from recessions, cultural barbarism, and NHS-endangering trade deals. IE, until it didn't.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The UK does not have 'to suck up' to anyonenico67 said:Absolutely astonishing and utterly disgusting comments from the US trade secretary on the Coronavirus.
And these are the people the UK will now have to suck up to .
Boris has already approved Huawei and taxing US companies against US wishes
We are about to become an Independent Country but of course you do not want that but rather stay tied to the glorious perfectly wonderful, faultless EU0 -
Compare the way Brussels is saying goodbye to the UK and the pathetic antics of the Brexit Party MEPs .
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Um, ok.AlastairMeeks said:
We are watching the grisly and pathetic sight of Leavers, with political body integrity dysmorphia, strapping our legs to the railway line in order to perform a homemade amputation and getting wide-eyed with erotic fulfilment as they brace themselves for the onrushing train.Byronic said:
It's good to see that Brexit hasn't deprived you of your unique brand of weirdly sneering pomposity, laced with poisonous self importance.AlastairMeeks said:
No, pb is stuffed full of self-proclaimed moderate Leavers who enthusiastically fell in behind a campaign that succeeded by frightening people into falsely believing that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain. Which is far more contemptible, because they decided that pursuing their obsessive hatred of the EU justified debasing democracy and everything decent about this country. As their subsequent actions showed only too clearly.Luckyguy1983 said:
Being familiar with TUD's oeuvre, I believe he meant to mock a section of PBers that he imagines to despise 'them thar continental types' by highlighting a tweet that shows them to be doing a sweet gesture. However, given that Jim Davidson, Ann Widdecombe and Mark Francois don't actually post here, it was somewhat misdirected.Omnium said:
I think "bastard" in common usage has come to mean someone you actually like, but find yourself at temporary disagreement with. That seems perhaps to be more of a Scottish thing. (They being of the sort that constant disagreement amongst the closest of friends is commonplace)Luckyguy1983 said:
Why would anyone think they're bastards? Love people from the continent. Hope (and feel sure) we'll stay friends. Don't want to participate in an incipient superstate with them. If they do, wish them all the best.Theuniondivvie said:The absolute bastards!
https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1222928005141532677?s=20
They'll feel a sense of inexpressible fulfilment in the aftermath but anyone who is not possessed by their bizarre obsession will just feel an overwhelming and irreversible sense of loss.1 -
All very much still going I am happy to report!ThomasNashe said:
Ah! Pubs of the Quayside take me back to my student days. The Crown Posada, The Bridge Hotel, The Redhouse were my favourites. All still going, I trust?Gallowgate said:
I’m going to be battered in a pub somewhere in Newcastle.Big_G_NorthWales said:Tomorrow at 11.00 pm will be acup of teavand a rich tea biscuit and maybe watching tv
My wife and I will be interested in this historic event but hope Boris is statesmanlike and respect those remainers who will be hurting so much
We must move on and at least accept we are no longer a EU memberstate
Despite these being dark days for the pub industry, that is one location where I think it's still possible to turn a healthy profit!
Much more expensive these days though. Gentrification is a hell of a thing.0 -
That's what I meant - the chances of accidentally arriving at a deal which (1) minimises risk, (2) minimises Huaweis participation, (3) doesn't set off the Amricans & (4) doesn't set of the Chinese, is basically zero.glw said:
It's well worth reading the report on the issue from the NCSC, and the blog posts from the NCSC are very good too. I'm really quite impressed by the whole approach taken and the reasoning behind it.Malmesbury said:Off topic - has anyone else noticed the lack of complaint from the US *and* China on the Huawei plan?
Either the most brilliant accidental compromise or negotiated....
The advice is a good compromise between using Huawei kit where appropriate and where safeguards can be applied, and equally avoiding just handing a blank cheque to their competitors and increasing dependence on one or two suppliers. The report even mentions the need to pursue more open standards, like OpenRAN, and promoting new suppliers so that in future we can actually drop suppliers if we want to, without ending up with all our eggs in one basket, which is a big risk in itself.
The government will still get a lot of stick from the press, opposition parties, and some rabid right-wingers, but for once I think the people "in the know" have prevailed and the government has followed their advice. I'm honestly surprised that the government didn't take the politically easier route of simply banning Huawei outright in the name of "national security".
I that hope behind the scenes the UK government have explained to the US government that if we don't use Huawei we'll end up paying more for worse kit, and be very dependent on two suppliers (realistically only Nokia and Ericsson are serious options) who likely have many similar security issues.
The NCSC are indeed very good - I've heard complaints from civil servants that they have an unhealthy tendency to promote technical experts rather than generalist managers. So very unlike the "experts" who look after the ammunition for the Army, or the gold reserves.....
Incidentally heard a fun one today - apparently the 500K-for-Big-Ben-to-bong figure came about as follows. Someone in the government asked about it, so someone else came up with an outrageous number off the top of their head to stop it happening. They assumed that only public money would be available, so the big price would kill the idea. When Boris floated the subscription idea - panic. Because if private money was spent, they would have a right to ask "on what". They would either have to admit that it was far, far less - or come out a corrupt in an audit....1 -
Over Xmas, when the extended thirteen tribes of Viewcode get together to bitch and compare painkillers and inherited diseases (we're a weird family), I found to my surprise that yes, "A Christmas Carol" had gone down rather well. I was quite miffed not to have another John Malkovich latelife Poirot, but episodes of "The New Pope" seem to fill the gap.Benpointer said:
I would echo that re Dracula.viewcode said:
Episode 1 was brillant, episode 2 was good, episode 3 was crippled by cod psychology, the decision to change the setting and (for me at least) some repellent bits of horror.Byronic said:
Is that even true? I've heard that their version of Dracula was just awful...viewcode said:
Whereas we only produce good drama when Steven Moffat and Mark Gattis get their hands on something that's no longer in copyright, and then only for three episodes if Benefit Cabbagepatch has a gap in filming...Alistair said:
Some American dramas should be half a season long, but due to the rapacious demands of syndication and the half year schedule they get dragged out to 20+ episodes.Byronic said:
The first series was excellent, but wow it declined fast. Even faster than Homeland maybeviewcode said:
Am I the only person on here who actually liked The Man In The High Castle? Well, the leaked versions on youtube anyway. Although it has to be said Rufus Sewell is beginning to age out: his hair now has that wispy cloud look to it. And he still hasn't got any lips.Theuniondivvie said:Hopefully this will be good, at least it doesn't look like it'll turn into a wallowing mess like Man In The High Castle.
https://twitter.com/HBO/status/1222950102425272320?s=20
Some dramas are simply meant to be one series long. If there is a fault in the American TV system (otherwise so creative) it is this: they cannot resist sequels to profitable shows,
Best two series over Christmas were A Christmas Carol (brilliant) and His Dark Materials, imo.0 -
Oh, nonsense. You're comparing apples and oranges. Try using Boris Johnson instead - he's spent the week saying all the right things about showing restraint, respecting others' views and that this is a starting point for the whole country to come together for a new beginning. No one cares about Anne Widdecombe waving plastic flags at the EU Parliament; not even those who protest-voted for her last May.nico67 said:Compare the way Brussels is saying goodbye to the UK and the pathetic antics of the Brexit Party MEPs .
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That would only turn me on if I was wearing ladies tights, and I had a melon in my mouth at the same time.AlastairMeeks said:
We are watching the grisly and pathetic sight of Leavers, with political body integrity dysmorphia, strapping our legs to the railway line in order to perform a homemade amputation and getting wide-eyed with erotic fulfilment as they brace themselves for the onrushing train.Byronic said:
It's good to see that Brexit hasn't deprived you of your unique brand of weirdly sneering pomposity, laced with poisonous self importance.AlastairMeeks said:
No, pb is stuffed full of self-proclaimed moderate Leavers who enthusiastically fell in behind a campaign that succeeded by frightening people into falsely believing that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain. Which is far more contemptible, because they decided that pursuing their obsessive hatred of the EU justified debasing democracy and everything decent about this country. As their subsequent actions showed only too clearly.Luckyguy1983 said:
Being familiar with TUD's oeuvre, I believe he meant to mock a section of PBers that he imagines to despise 'them thar continental types' by highlighting a tweet that shows them to be doing a sweet gesture. However, given that Jim Davidson, Ann Widdecombe and Mark Francois don't actually post here, it was somewhat misdirected.Omnium said:
I think "bastard" in common usage has come to mean someone you actually like, but find yourself at temporary disagreement with. That seems perhaps to be more of a Scottish thing. (They being of the sort that constant disagreement amongst the closest of friends is commonplace)Luckyguy1983 said:
Why would anyone think they're bastards? Love people from the continent. Hope (and feel sure) we'll stay friends. Don't want to participate in an incipient superstate with them. If they do, wish them all the best.Theuniondivvie said:The absolute bastards!
https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1222928005141532677?s=20
They'll feel a sense of inexpressible fulfilment in the aftermath but anyone who is not possessed by their bizarre obsession will just feel an overwhelming and irreversible sense of loss.0 -
In what sense do Nokia and Ericsson have similar security issues as Huawei? Are they subject to Chinese law and/or control by the Chinese Communist party?glw said:
It's well worth reading the report on the issue from the NCSC, and the blog posts from the NCSC are very good too. I'm really quite impressed by the whole approach taken and the reasoning behind it.Malmesbury said:Off topic - has anyone else noticed the lack of complaint from the US *and* China on the Huawei plan?
Either the most brilliant accidental compromise or negotiated....
The advice is a good compromise between using Huawei kit where appropriate and where safeguards can be applied, and equally avoiding just handing a blank cheque to their competitors and increasing dependence on one or two suppliers. The report even mentions the need to pursue more open standards, like OpenRAN, and promoting new suppliers so that in future we can actually drop suppliers if we want to, without ending up with all our eggs in one basket, which is a big risk in itself.
The government will still get a lot of stick from the press, opposition parties, and some rabid right-wingers, but for once I think the people "in the know" have prevailed and the government has followed their advice. I'm honestly surprised that the government didn't take the politically easier route of simply banning Huawei outright in the name of "national security".
I that hope behind the scenes the UK government have explained to the US government that if we don't use Huawei we'll end up paying more for worse kit, and be very dependent on two suppliers (realistically only Nokia and Ericsson are serious options) who likely have many similar security issues.0 -
Yes, yes, yes, I have been posting links to that post on here and still the ignorant do not read it. Because, well I can only think it is because they think Boris is bad.glw said:
It's well worth reading the report on the issue from the NCSC, and the blog posts from the NCSC are very good too. I'm really quite impressed by the whole approach taken and the reasoning behind it.Malmesbury said:Off topic - has anyone else noticed the lack of complaint from the US *and* China on the Huawei plan?
Either the most brilliant accidental compromise or negotiated....
The advice is a good compromise between using Huawei kit where appropriate and where safeguards can be applied, and equally avoiding just handing a blank cheque to their competitors and increasing dependence on one or two suppliers. The report even mentions the need to pursue more open standards, like OpenRAN, and promoting new suppliers so that in future we can actually drop suppliers if we want to, without ending up with all our eggs in one basket, which is a big risk in itself.
The government will still get a lot of stick from the press, opposition parties, and some rabid right-wingers, but for once I think the people "in the know" have prevailed and the government has followed their advice. I'm honestly surprised that the government didn't take the politically easier route of simply banning Huawei outright in the name of "national security".
I that hope behind the scenes the UK government have explained to the US government that if we don't use Huawei we'll end up paying more for worse kit, and be very dependent on two suppliers (realistically only Nokia and Ericsson are serious options) who likely have many similar security issues.0 -
You forgot predatory huge foreign carmakers selling us overpolluting vehicles, wrongly packaged as clean due to a dodgy regulatory environment and a far too cosy relationship between company and a state overly dependent on it for jobs, status and economic growth.Luckyguy1983 said:
Exactly. How did the EU protect us from the USA exactly? Same way it supposedly protected us from recessions, cultural barbarism, and NHS-endangering trade deals. IE, until it didn't.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The UK does not have 'to suck up' to anyonenico67 said:Absolutely astonishing and utterly disgusting comments from the US trade secretary on the Coronavirus.
And these are the people the UK will now have to suck up to .
Boris has already approved Huawei and taxing US companies against US wishes
We are about to become an Independent Country but of course you do not want that but rather stay tied to the glorious perfectly wonderful, faultless EU0 -
Alprazolam, 5mg, per diemAlastairMeeks said:
We are watching the grisly and pathetic sight of Leavers, with political body integrity dysmorphia, strapping our legs to the railway line in order to perform a homemade amputation and getting wide-eyed with erotic fulfilment as they brace themselves for the onrushing train.Byronic said:
It's good to see that Brexit hasn't deprived you of your unique brand of weirdly sneering pomposity, laced with poisonous self importance.AlastairMeeks said:
No, pb is stuffed full of self-proclaimed moderate Leavers who enthusiastically fell in behind a campaign that succeeded by frightening people into falsely believing that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain. Which is far more contemptible, because they decided that pursuing their obsessive hatred of the EU justified debasing democracy and everything decent about this country. As their subsequent actions showed only too clearly.Luckyguy1983 said:
Being familiar with TUD's oeuvre, I believe he meant to mock a section of PBers that he imagines to despise 'them thar continental types' by highlighting a tweet that shows them to be doing a sweet gesture. However, given that Jim Davidson, Ann Widdecombe and Mark Francois don't actually post here, it was somewhat misdirected.Omnium said:
I think "bastard" in common usage has come to mean someone you actually like, but find yourself at temporary disagreement with. That seems perhaps to be more of a Scottish thing. (They being of the sort that constant disagreement amongst the closest of friends is commonplace)Luckyguy1983 said:
Why would anyone think they're bastards? Love people from the continent. Hope (and feel sure) we'll stay friends. Don't want to participate in an incipient superstate with them. If they do, wish them all the best.Theuniondivvie said:The absolute bastards!
https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1222928005141532677?s=20
They'll feel a sense of inexpressible fulfilment in the aftermath but anyone who is not possessed by their bizarre obsession will just feel an overwhelming and irreversible sense of loss.
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Both Nokia and Ericsson have tons of Chinese made components in their equipment. Ericsson, at least, have a history, including a very interesting hack in Greece where someone, using the Ericsson specific computer language, switched on the "official" call interception system to spy on people - including opposition MPsCyclefree said:
In what sense do Nokia and Ericsson have similar security issues as Huawei? Are they subject to Chinese law and/or control by the Chinese Communist party?glw said:
It's well worth reading the report on the issue from the NCSC, and the blog posts from the NCSC are very good too. I'm really quite impressed by the whole approach taken and the reasoning behind it.Malmesbury said:Off topic - has anyone else noticed the lack of complaint from the US *and* China on the Huawei plan?
Either the most brilliant accidental compromise or negotiated....
The advice is a good compromise between using Huawei kit where appropriate and where safeguards can be applied, and equally avoiding just handing a blank cheque to their competitors and increasing dependence on one or two suppliers. The report even mentions the need to pursue more open standards, like OpenRAN, and promoting new suppliers so that in future we can actually drop suppliers if we want to, without ending up with all our eggs in one basket, which is a big risk in itself.
The government will still get a lot of stick from the press, opposition parties, and some rabid right-wingers, but for once I think the people "in the know" have prevailed and the government has followed their advice. I'm honestly surprised that the government didn't take the politically easier route of simply banning Huawei outright in the name of "national security".
I that hope behind the scenes the UK government have explained to the US government that if we don't use Huawei we'll end up paying more for worse kit, and be very dependent on two suppliers (realistically only Nokia and Ericsson are serious options) who likely have many similar security issues.
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There should be a word for trying to discredit an idea by using the example of the worst people who like it.Endillion said:
Oh, nonsense. You're comparing apples and oranges. Try using Boris Johnson instead - he's spent the week saying all the right things about showing restraint, respecting others' views and that this is a starting point for the whole country to come together for a new beginning. No one cares about Anne Widdecombe waving plastic flags at the EU Parliament; not even those who protest-voted for her last May.nico67 said:Compare the way Brussels is saying goodbye to the UK and the pathetic antics of the Brexit Party MEPs .
"The Nazi's were into animal rights, therefore all animal rights advocates are Nazis" etc....
P.S. They banned fox hunting. And cricket.0 -
Oh yes. I also forgot protecting us from bad food *cough* horsemeat *cough*Endillion said:
You forgot predatory huge foreign carmakers selling us overpolluting vehicles, wrongly packaged as clean due to a dodgy regulatory environment and a far too cosy relationship between company and a state overly dependent on it for jobs, status and economic growth.Luckyguy1983 said:
Exactly. How did the EU protect us from the USA exactly? Same way it supposedly protected us from recessions, cultural barbarism, and NHS-endangering trade deals. IE, until it didn't.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The UK does not have 'to suck up' to anyonenico67 said:Absolutely astonishing and utterly disgusting comments from the US trade secretary on the Coronavirus.
And these are the people the UK will now have to suck up to .
Boris has already approved Huawei and taxing US companies against US wishes
We are about to become an Independent Country but of course you do not want that but rather stay tied to the glorious perfectly wonderful, faultless EU0 -
What the Chinese government compels them to do is not the main issue, you don't need backdoors when the many, many bugs that are present will do just fine. The Chinese government are far more likely to simply exploit the bugs in the software on the systems. In that regard kit from Nokia and Ericsson should be treated as equally suspect until we know otherwise, and Huawei's kit unlike the others is closely scrutinised by the UK government. It is entirely plausible that by banning Huawei we'd be even more dependent on equally buggy systems, possibly worse, and subject to just as much spying and interference from the Chinese government.Cyclefree said:In what sense do Nokia and Ericsson have similar security issues as Huawei? Are they subject to Chinese law and/or control by the Chinese Communist party?
The solution to this issue is to have more suppliers to choose from, and close scrutiny of all software and operations. A complete ban on Huawei would do nothing to bring that about, it would in fact further entrench the position of Nokia and Ericsson. It's going to take a lot of time and money to actually fix the problem by broadening the range of suppliers, and switching to systems that mostly run open source software based on open standards that can be closely scrutinised by default.1 -
I would just like to report that I have a much better answer now that is neither naff nor vacuous! So thanks everyone again.0
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Nutshaming.Malmesbury said:
There should be a word for trying to discredit an idea by using the example of the worst people who like it.Endillion said:
Oh, nonsense. You're comparing apples and oranges. Try using Boris Johnson instead - he's spent the week saying all the right things about showing restraint, respecting others' views and that this is a starting point for the whole country to come together for a new beginning. No one cares about Anne Widdecombe waving plastic flags at the EU Parliament; not even those who protest-voted for her last May.nico67 said:Compare the way Brussels is saying goodbye to the UK and the pathetic antics of the Brexit Party MEPs .
"The Nazi's were into animal rights, therefore all animal rights advocates are Nazis" etc....
P.S. They banned fox hunting. And cricket.0 -
I'm not an expert but I think I know enough that my BS detector would have spotted any obviously political or dubious reasoning, and it didn't. Now maybe I'm missing something, but to my eyes at least it made a lot of sense, and it looks like the government have followed the advice.Malmesbury said:That's what I meant - the chances of accidentally arriving at a deal which (1) minimises risk, (2) minimises Huaweis participation, (3) doesn't set off the Amricans & (4) doesn't set of the Chinese, is basically zero.
The NCSC are indeed very good - I've heard complaints from civil servants that they have an unhealthy tendency to promote technical experts rather than generalist managers. So very unlike the "experts" who look after the ammunition for the Army, or the gold reserves.....
I suspect that the technical experts in the US are just as aware that in a way the Western world has painted itself into a corner, and simply banning Chinese suppliers is not a solution, because if we don't trust their systems why would we trust their components or manufacturing? A truly "China free" mobile network is going to require a lot of string and tin cans.
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Season 3 releasing shortly....It can't be even worse than Season 2 surely...nervous face.Byronic said:
Oh god. Yes. Good choiceviewcode said:
Westworld syndrome...Byronic said:
The first series was excellent, but wow it declined fast. Even faster than Homeland maybeviewcode said:
Am I the only person on here who actually liked The Man In The High Castle? Well, the leaked versions on youtube anyway. Although it has to be said Rufus Sewell is beginning to age out: his hair now has that wispy cloud look to it. And he still hasn't got any lips.Theuniondivvie said:Hopefully this will be good, at least it doesn't look like it'll turn into a wallowing mess like Man In The High Castle.
https://twitter.com/HBO/status/1222950102425272320?s=20
Some dramas are simply meant to be one series long. If there is a fault in the American TV system (otherwise so creative) it is this: they cannot resist sequels to profitable shows,
That was possibly the worst fall-off EVAH
Westworld 1: superb
Westworld 2: so bad as to be unwatchable. Jeez
There are some shows / stories that are just setup for a a single season run. Westworld was just that. If we had seen what we saw in the final episode of Season 1 and that had been it, it would have been a great ending.
I think Mindhunters could have been another. One season of fascinating interviews with serial killers, played superbly by the various actors with an interesting insight into how the FBI got into profiling and done.0 -
Passing off horsemeat as beef was illegal, but you knew that. So was faking emissions tests.Luckyguy1983 said:
Oh yes. I also forgot protecting us from bad food *cough* horsemeat *cough*Endillion said:
You forgot predatory huge foreign carmakers selling us overpolluting vehicles, wrongly packaged as clean due to a dodgy regulatory environment and a far too cosy relationship between company and a state overly dependent on it for jobs, status and economic growth.Luckyguy1983 said:
Exactly. How did the EU protect us from the USA exactly? Same way it supposedly protected us from recessions, cultural barbarism, and NHS-endangering trade deals. IE, until it didn't.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The UK does not have 'to suck up' to anyonenico67 said:Absolutely astonishing and utterly disgusting comments from the US trade secretary on the Coronavirus.
And these are the people the UK will now have to suck up to .
Boris has already approved Huawei and taxing US companies against US wishes
We are about to become an Independent Country but of course you do not want that but rather stay tied to the glorious perfectly wonderful, faultless EU0 -
Yes, I just pretend that Westworld ended with Season 1, and Lost ended with Season 3...FrancisUrquhart said:
Season 3 releasing shortly....It can't be even worse than Season 2 surely...nervous face.Byronic said:
Oh god. Yes. Good choiceviewcode said:
Westworld syndrome...Byronic said:
The first series was excellent, but wow it declined fast. Even faster than Homeland maybeviewcode said:
Am I the only person on here who actually liked The Man In The High Castle? Well, the leaked versions on youtube anyway. Although it has to be said Rufus Sewell is beginning to age out: his hair now has that wispy cloud look to it. And he still hasn't got any lips.Theuniondivvie said:Hopefully this will be good, at least it doesn't look like it'll turn into a wallowing mess like Man In The High Castle.
https://twitter.com/HBO/status/1222950102425272320?s=20
Some dramas are simply meant to be one series long. If there is a fault in the American TV system (otherwise so creative) it is this: they cannot resist sequels to profitable shows,
That was possibly the worst fall-off EVAH
Westworld 1: superb
Westworld 2: so bad as to be unwatchable. Jeez
There are some shows / stories that are just setup for a a single season run. Westworld was just that. If we had seen what we saw in the final episode of Season 1 and that had been it, it would have been a great ending.
I think Mindhunters could have been another. One season of fascinating interviews with serial killers, played superbly by the various actors with an interesting insight into how the FBI got into profiling and done.0 -
They're frotting themselves into a weekend frenzy of Europhobia. Best not to disturb them with facts. They'll have some post-coital tranquility for an hour or two by Sunday, we can hope.Foxy said:
Passing off horsemeat as beef was illegal, but you knew that. So was faking emissions tests.Luckyguy1983 said:
Oh yes. I also forgot protecting us from bad food *cough* horsemeat *cough*Endillion said:
You forgot predatory huge foreign carmakers selling us overpolluting vehicles, wrongly packaged as clean due to a dodgy regulatory environment and a far too cosy relationship between company and a state overly dependent on it for jobs, status and economic growth.Luckyguy1983 said:
Exactly. How did the EU protect us from the USA exactly? Same way it supposedly protected us from recessions, cultural barbarism, and NHS-endangering trade deals. IE, until it didn't.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The UK does not have 'to suck up' to anyonenico67 said:Absolutely astonishing and utterly disgusting comments from the US trade secretary on the Coronavirus.
And these are the people the UK will now have to suck up to .
Boris has already approved Huawei and taxing US companies against US wishes
We are about to become an Independent Country but of course you do not want that but rather stay tied to the glorious perfectly wonderful, faultless EU0 -
In your lifetime?Byronic said:The decline of British TV in my lifetime is one of the great tragedies of our national culture. Devoured by a pincer movement of lefty identity politics and cheap commercialisation.
LOL.
What, Love Thy Neighbour was a high watermark was it?
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Out of interest, did you vote for the Brexit party at the EU elections?Endillion said:
Oh, nonsense. You're comparing apples and oranges. Try using Boris Johnson instead - he's spent the week saying all the right things about showing restraint, respecting others' views and that this is a starting point for the whole country to come together for a new beginning. No one cares about Anne Widdecombe waving plastic flags at the EU Parliament; not even those who protest-voted for her last May.nico67 said:Compare the way Brussels is saying goodbye to the UK and the pathetic antics of the Brexit Party MEPs .
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You should ask your GP to increase your dose.Byronic said:
Alprazolam, 5mg, per diemAlastairMeeks said:
We are watching the grisly and pathetic sight of Leavers, with political body integrity dysmorphia, strapping our legs to the railway line in order to perform a homemade amputation and getting wide-eyed with erotic fulfilment as they brace themselves for the onrushing train.Byronic said:
It's good to see that Brexit hasn't deprived you of your unique brand of weirdly sneering pomposity, laced with poisonous self importance.AlastairMeeks said:
No, pb is stuffed full of self-proclaimed moderate Leavers who enthusiastically fell in behind a campaign that succeeded by frightening people into falsely believing that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain. Which is far more contemptible, because they decided that pursuing their obsessive hatred of the EU justified debasing democracy and everything decent about this country. As their subsequent actions showed only too clearly.Luckyguy1983 said:
Being familiar with TUD's oeuvre, I believe he meant to mock a section of PBers that he imagines to despise 'them thar continental types' by highlighting a tweet that shows them to be doing a sweet gesture. However, given that Jim Davidson, Ann Widdecombe and Mark Francois don't actually post here, it was somewhat misdirected.Omnium said:
I think "bastard" in common usage has come to mean someone you actually like, but find yourself at temporary disagreement with. That seems perhaps to be more of a Scottish thing. (They being of the sort that constant disagreement amongst the closest of friends is commonplace)Luckyguy1983 said:
Why would anyone think they're bastards? Love people from the continent. Hope (and feel sure) we'll stay friends. Don't want to participate in an incipient superstate with them. If they do, wish them all the best.Theuniondivvie said:The absolute bastards!
https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1222928005141532677?s=20
They'll feel a sense of inexpressible fulfilment in the aftermath but anyone who is not possessed by their bizarre obsession will just feel an overwhelming and irreversible sense of loss.0 -
I must say that I find the Brexit culture war tedious and painful and distracting from the genuinely important debate about the substance and what trade-offs we want to make going forward. I don't care about the coin, I don't care about waving the flags. I find the amount people care on both sides unfortunate.
Tomorrow night at 11pm I'll probably be in bed, just like I was on New Year's Eve. In the event that the UK rejoins the EU in my lifetime than at midnight or 11pm on that night I'll probably be in bed too. But what I will not be doing tomorrow, or Saturday, or ever, is worrying one iota about the fact that people who think Brexit will benefit this country are celebrating it. That's like being bothered that Tories had election parties in December. So long as they focus on governing once the hangover wears off it's entirely fine by me.1 -
Keir Starmer absolutely mopping up CLP nominations tonight.0
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To be taken after food while reading OvidByronic said:
Alprazolam, 5mg, per diemAlastairMeeks said:
We are watching the grisly and pathetic sight of Leavers, with political body integrity dysmorphia, strapping our legs to the railway line in order to perform a homemade amputation and getting wide-eyed with erotic fulfilment as they brace themselves for the onrushing train.Byronic said:
It's good to see that Brexit hasn't deprived you of your unique brand of weirdly sneering pomposity, laced with poisonous self importance.AlastairMeeks said:
No, pb is stuffed full of self-proclaimed moderate Leavers who enthusiastically fell in behind a campaign that succeeded by frightening people into falsely believing that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain. Which is far more contemptible, because they decided that pursuing their obsessive hatred of the EU justified debasing democracy and everything decent about this country. As their subsequent actions showed only too clearly.Luckyguy1983 said:
Being familiar with TUD's oeuvre, I believe he meant to mock a section of PBers that he imagines to despise 'them thar continental types' by highlighting a tweet that shows them to be doing a sweet gesture. However, given that Jim Davidson, Ann Widdecombe and Mark Francois don't actually post here, it was somewhat misdirected.Omnium said:
I think "bastard" in common usage has come to mean someone you actually like, but find yourself at temporary disagreement with. That seems perhaps to be more of a Scottish thing. (They being of the sort that constant disagreement amongst the closest of friends is commonplace)Luckyguy1983 said:
Why would anyone think they're bastards? Love people from the continent. Hope (and feel sure) we'll stay friends. Don't want to participate in an incipient superstate with them. If they do, wish them all the best.Theuniondivvie said:The absolute bastards!
https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1222928005141532677?s=20
They'll feel a sense of inexpressible fulfilment in the aftermath but anyone who is not possessed by their bizarre obsession will just feel an overwhelming and irreversible sense of loss.0 -
This is well-expressed, at least. But the fact remains that we were Europeans long before the EU, and will will remain Europeans long after it fades away. The sensation you're feeling is like a novel medical condition that is the mirror-image of a 'phantom limb': it's 'phantom limb-loss', in which your mind is telling you you've suffered an amputation, whereas you remain in point of fact entirely whole...AlastairMeeks said:
We are watching the grisly and pathetic sight of Leavers, with political body integrity dysmorphia, strapping our legs to the railway line in order to perform a homemade amputation and getting wide-eyed with erotic fulfilment as they brace themselves for the onrushing train.Byronic said:
It's good to see that Brexit hasn't deprived you of your unique brand of weirdly sneering pomposity, laced with poisonous self importance.AlastairMeeks said:
No, pb is stuffed full of self-proclaimed moderate Leavers who enthusiastically fell in behind a campaign that succeeded by frightening people into falsely believing that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain. Which is far more contemptible, because they decided that pursuing their obsessive hatred of the EU justified debasing democracy and everything decent about this country. As their subsequent actions showed only too clearly.Luckyguy1983 said:
Being familiar with TUD's oeuvre, I believe he meant to mock a section of PBers that he imagines to despise 'them thar continental types' by highlighting a tweet that shows them to be doing a sweet gesture. However, given that Jim Davidson, Ann Widdecombe and Mark Francois don't actually post here, it was somewhat misdirected.Omnium said:
I think "bastard" in common usage has come to mean someone you actually like, but find yourself at temporary disagreement with. That seems perhaps to be more of a Scottish thing. (They being of the sort that constant disagreement amongst the closest of friends is commonplace)Luckyguy1983 said:
Why would anyone think they're bastards? Love people from the continent. Hope (and feel sure) we'll stay friends. Don't want to participate in an incipient superstate with them. If they do, wish them all the best.Theuniondivvie said:The absolute bastards!
https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1222928005141532677?s=20
They'll feel a sense of inexpressible fulfilment in the aftermath but anyone who is not possessed by their bizarre obsession will just feel an overwhelming and irreversible sense of loss.0 -
The latest CLP figures are Starmer 80 - Lovell Bailey 43 - Nandy 18 - Thornberry 6. In absolute terms Starmer continues to enjoy a big lead , but his CLP percentage has dropped to circa 55.Gallowgate said:Keir Starmer absolutely mopping up CLP nominations tonight.
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The legality isn't the issue - the false impression of protection by Aunty EU is. With food it is not the only case. Take standards of Danish pig husbandry as another example. Or the fact that German (yes German) standards of organic farming were well short of our own, but we had to call them organic. Or French farmers feeding their cows on their own merde. And this isn't me attacking food produced in the EU, which is largely OK as it goes, but the false impression that the EU insulated us from bad things when it patently didn't, nor could it have done, because that wasn't its function.Foxy said:
Passing off horsemeat as beef was illegal, but you knew that. So was faking emissions tests.Luckyguy1983 said:
Oh yes. I also forgot protecting us from bad food *cough* horsemeat *cough*Endillion said:
You forgot predatory huge foreign carmakers selling us overpolluting vehicles, wrongly packaged as clean due to a dodgy regulatory environment and a far too cosy relationship between company and a state overly dependent on it for jobs, status and economic growth.Luckyguy1983 said:
Exactly. How did the EU protect us from the USA exactly? Same way it supposedly protected us from recessions, cultural barbarism, and NHS-endangering trade deals. IE, until it didn't.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The UK does not have 'to suck up' to anyonenico67 said:Absolutely astonishing and utterly disgusting comments from the US trade secretary on the Coronavirus.
And these are the people the UK will now have to suck up to .
Boris has already approved Huawei and taxing US companies against US wishes
We are about to become an Independent Country but of course you do not want that but rather stay tied to the glorious perfectly wonderful, faultless EU0 -
No, I abstained. I never voted UKIP either, although I came quite close in 2014.AlastairMeeks said:
Out of interest, did you vote for the Brexit party at the EU elections?Endillion said:
Oh, nonsense. You're comparing apples and oranges. Try using Boris Johnson instead - he's spent the week saying all the right things about showing restraint, respecting others' views and that this is a starting point for the whole country to come together for a new beginning. No one cares about Anne Widdecombe waving plastic flags at the EU Parliament; not even those who protest-voted for her last May.nico67 said:Compare the way Brussels is saying goodbye to the UK and the pathetic antics of the Brexit Party MEPs .
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In a stunning development, RLB has picked up the nomination from Salford and Eccles.justin124 said:
The latest CLP figures are Starmer 80 - Lovell Bailey 43 - Nandy 18 - Thornberry 6. In absolute terms Starmer continues to enjoy a big lead , but his CLP percentage has dropped to circa 55.Gallowgate said:Keir Starmer absolutely mopping up CLP nominations tonight.
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He's barely on a majority of tonight isn't he? He's had some 'streaks' of 4-5 in a row on CLPNominations, but add it all up and he's well off the 2/3rds pace he was the first few days.Gallowgate said:Keir Starmer absolutely mopping up CLP nominations tonight.
It's looking more and more like he will win a modest majority of all CLPs and RLB will hold off Nandy for 2nd place fairly comfortably. That's still a great result for Starmer, particularly given the rumours that new members not eligible for the CLP votes are mostly moderates.0 -
Especially the Epistulae Ex Ponto, a poetic collection written during his sad exile from the First European Union by the shores of the Black Sea, which largely consists of complaints about how miserable life is amongst the barbarians, and pathetic pleas that the Emperor allow him to come back home...stjohn said:
To be taken after food while reading OvidByronic said:
Alprazolam, 5mg, per diemAlastairMeeks said:
We are watching the grisly and pathetic sight of Leavers, with political body integrity dysmorphia, strapping our legs to the railway line in order to perform a homemade amputation and getting wide-eyed with erotic fulfilment as they brace themselves for the onrushing train.Byronic said:
It's good to see that Brexit hasn't deprived you of your unique brand of weirdly sneering pomposity, laced with poisonous self importance.AlastairMeeks said:
No, pb is stuffed full of self-proclaimed moderate Leavers who enthusiastically fell in behind a campaign that succeeded by frightening people into falsely believing that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain. Which is far more contemptible, because they decided that pursuing their obsessive hatred of the EU justified debasing democracy and everything decent about this country. As their subsequent actions showed only too clearly.Luckyguy1983 said:
Being familiar with TUD's oeuvre, I believe he meant to mock a section of PBers that he imagines to despise 'them thar continental types' by highlighting a tweet that shows them to be doing a sweet gesture. However, given that Jim Davidson, Ann Widdecombe and Mark Francois don't actually post here, it was somewhat misdirected.Omnium said:
I think "bastard" in common usage has come to mean someone you actually like, but find yourself at temporary disagreement with. That seems perhaps to be more of a Scottish thing. (They being of the sort that constant disagreement amongst the closest of friends is commonplace)Luckyguy1983 said:
Why would anyone think they're bastards? Love people from the continent. Hope (and feel sure) we'll stay friends. Don't want to participate in an incipient superstate with them. If they do, wish them all the best.Theuniondivvie said:The absolute bastards!
https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1222928005141532677?s=20
They'll feel a sense of inexpressible fulfilment in the aftermath but anyone who is not possessed by their bizarre obsession will just feel an overwhelming and irreversible sense of loss.0 -
https://youtu.be/rcjOjiUGwwQ
One of the best interviews I have seen on the root causes of Brexit and demolishes the weak arguments that all leavers are just racist thickos0 -
Unless the CLPs are completely unrepresentative of members then this is over.Gallowgate said:Keir Starmer absolutely mopping up CLP nominations tonight.
Len is going to explode.0 -
Thought Farage would have been on QT tonight0
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Think that is already takenLuckyguy1983 said:
Nutshaming.Malmesbury said:
There should be a word for trying to discredit an idea by using the example of the worst people who like it.Endillion said:
Oh, nonsense. You're comparing apples and oranges. Try using Boris Johnson instead - he's spent the week saying all the right things about showing restraint, respecting others' views and that this is a starting point for the whole country to come together for a new beginning. No one cares about Anne Widdecombe waving plastic flags at the EU Parliament; not even those who protest-voted for her last May.nico67 said:Compare the way Brussels is saying goodbye to the UK and the pathetic antics of the Brexit Party MEPs .
"The Nazi's were into animal rights, therefore all animal rights advocates are Nazis" etc....
P.S. They banned fox hunting. And cricket.0 -
Oh dear. That would be terrible.rottenborough said:
...Len is going to explode...Gallowgate said:Keir Starmer absolutely mopping up CLP nominations tonight.
Pause.
So...is anybody going to film it?
Asking for a friend with popcorn.
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I see that part of Trump's impenetrable wall has just fallen over in a gust of wind
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He's busy fawning* over his new portrait.isam said:Thought Farage would have been on QT tonight
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No it wasn’t the racism that played so well and got the result over the line, it was the leavers suggesting that deindustrialisation, globalisation, and the various crisis such as in social care (caused actually by the demographic time bomb) will change for the better if we leave the EU. Brexit is happening because of the lie being out the EU means more money for NHS, more hospitals, better transport infrastructure. People who in their lifetimes have seen factories employing 40K go down to 4K wanted change and were convinced being out the EU is the change they need.AlastairMeeks said:
No, pb is stuffed full of self-proclaimed moderate Leavers who enthusiastically fell in behind a campaign that succeeded by frightening people into falsely believing that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain. Which is far more contemptible, because they decided that pursuing their obsessive hatred of the EU justified debasing democracy and everything decent about this country. As their subsequent actions showed only too clearly.Luckyguy1983 said:
Being familiar with TUD's oeuvre, I believe he meant to mock a section of PBers that he imagines to despise 'them thar continental types' by highlighting a tweet that shows them to be doing a sweet gesture. However, given that Jim Davidson, Ann Widdecombe and Mark Francois don't actually post here, it was somewhat misdirected.Omnium said:
I think "bastard" in common usage has come to mean someone you actually like, but find yourself at temporary disagreement with. That seems perhaps to be more of a Scottish thing. (They being of the sort that constant disagreement amongst the closest of friends is commonplace)Luckyguy1983 said:
Why would anyone think they're bastards? Love people from the continent. Hope (and feel sure) we'll stay friends. Don't want to participate in an incipient superstate with them. If they do, wish them all the best.Theuniondivvie said:The absolute bastards!
https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1222928005141532677?s=20
Voters didn’t associate NHS funding, housing crisis, education funding, crap transport, deindustrialisation and forgotten run down communities to EU membership and the free market All by themselves, a band of politicians and media opinion formers led the voters there. and as the clock ticks past 11 on the 31st, it’s ticks towards that deluded bands comeuppance.1 -
Offshore 44? I’m showing my age here and I know the cooperage has gone (the complaint should have been thrown out back in 09 as the pub predated the flats).Gallowgate said:
All very much still going I am happy to report!ThomasNashe said:
Ah! Pubs of the Quayside take me back to my student days. The Crown Posada, The Bridge Hotel, The Redhouse were my favourites. All still going, I trust?Gallowgate said:
I’m going to be battered in a pub somewhere in Newcastle.Big_G_NorthWales said:Tomorrow at 11.00 pm will be acup of teavand a rich tea biscuit and maybe watching tv
My wife and I will be interested in this historic event but hope Boris is statesmanlike and respect those remainers who will be hurting so much
We must move on and at least accept we are no longer a EU memberstate
Despite these being dark days for the pub industry, that is one location where I think it's still possible to turn a healthy profit!
Much more expensive these days though. Gentrification is a hell of a thing.0 -
Protectionism for low paid workers by shrinking the labour market is now realistic in a way it wasn’t before. That’s all it was aboutegg said:
No it wasn’t the racism that played so well and got the result over the line, it was the leavers suggesting that deindustrialisation, globalisation, and the various crisis such as in social care (caused actually by the demographic time bomb) will change for the better if we leave the EU. Brexit is happening because of the lie being out the EU means more money for NHS, more hospitals, better transport infrastructure. People who in their lifetimes have seen factories employing 40K go down to 4K wanted change and were convinced being out the EU is the change they need.AlastairMeeks said:
No, pb is stuffed full of self-proclaimed moderate Leavers who enthusiastically fell in behind a campaign that succeeded by frightening people into falsely believing that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain. Which is far more contemptible, because they decided that pursuing their obsessive hatred of the EU justified debasing democracy and everything decent about this country. As their subsequent actions showed only too clearly.Luckyguy1983 said:
Being familiar with TUD's oeuvre, I believe he meant to mock a section of PBers that he imagines to despise 'them thar continental types' by highlighting a tweet that shows them to be doing a sweet gesture. However, given that Jim Davidson, Ann Widdecombe and Mark Francois don't actually post here, it was somewhat misdirected.Omnium said:
I think "bastard" in common usage has come to mean someone you actually like, but find yourself at temporary disagreement with. That seems perhaps to be more of a Scottish thing. (They being of the sort that constant disagreement amongst the closest of friends is commonplace)Luckyguy1983 said:
Why would anyone think they're bastards? Love people from the continent. Hope (and feel sure) we'll stay friends. Don't want to participate in an incipient superstate with them. If they do, wish them all the best.Theuniondivvie said:The absolute bastards!
https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1222928005141532677?s=20
Voters didn’t associate NHS funding, housing crisis, education funding, crap transport, deindustrialisation and forgotten run down communities to EU membership and the free market All by themselves, a band of politicians and media opinion formers led the voters there. and as the clock ticks past 11 on the 31st, it’s ticks towards that deluded bands comeuppance.0 -
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Rather cringey that portrait incident.rottenborough said:
He's busy fawning* over his new portrait.isam said:Thought Farage would have been on QT tonight
* euphemism alert.0 -
Masses of CLP nominations tonight - by my count:
Starmer 19
Long-Bailey - 15
Nandy - 2
Thornberry - 1
So RLB doing better than before.0 -
When is Thornberry dropping out, or is there something we are all missing?MikeL said:Masses of CLP nominations tonight - by my count:
Starmer 19
Long-Bailey - 15
Nandy - 2
Thornberry - 1
So RLB doing better than before.0 -
I’ve been painted in a picture. (I was not the main subject.) The artist kindly took about two stone off me.isam said:
Rather cringey that portrait incident.rottenborough said:
He's busy fawning* over his new portrait.isam said:Thought Farage would have been on QT tonight
* euphemism alert.0 -
Hutton is such a cuckolded gimp. He now verges on demented,rottenborough said:
He has been predicting the death of Brexit Britain for about three years. Not happened yet.
We're OUT. Let the twats eat their figs in Hungary. We are OUT0 -
I predict that once the offer of US ambassdor fails to come through, we will increasingly see Farage on late night shite chat shows, or even the jungle show.isam said:
Rather cringey that portrait incident.rottenborough said:
He's busy fawning* over his new portrait.isam said:Thought Farage would have been on QT tonight
* euphemism alert.
He will end up as Archie Rice.0 -
They muted Farages mic because he waved a flag, then allowed the rest of them to wave scarves with the EU flag on whilst singing Auld Lang Syne!rottenborough said:0 -
Protectionism for highly paid British Yeomen like Dr Foxy too, with those dastardly foreigners returning to the Med.isam said:
Protectionism for low paid workers by shrinking the labour market is now realistic in a way it wasn’t before. That’s all it was aboutegg said:
No it wasn’t the racism that played so well and got the result over the line, it was the leavers suggesting that deindustrialisation, globalisation, and the various crisis such as in social care (caused actually by the demographic time bomb) will change for the better if we leave the EU. Brexit is happening because of the lie being out the EU means more money for NHS, more hospitals, better transport infrastructure. People who in their lifetimes have seen factories employing 40K go down to 4K wanted change and were convinced being out the EU is the change they need.AlastairMeeks said:
No, pb is stuffed full of self-proclaimed moderate Leavers who enthusiastically fell in behind a campaign that succeeded by frightening people into falsely believing that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain. Which is far more contemptible, because they decided that pursuing their obsessive hatred of the EU justified debasing democracy and everything decent about this country. As their subsequent actions showed only too clearly.Luckyguy1983 said:
Being familiar with TUD's oeuvre, I believe he meantOmnium said:
I think "bastard" in common usage has come to mean someone you actually like, but find yourself at temporary disagreement with. That seems perhaps to be more of a Scottish thing. (They being of the sort that constant disagreement amongst the closest of friends is commonplace)Luckyguy1983 said:
Why would anyone think they're bastards? Love people from the continent. Hope (and feel sure) we'll stay friends. Don't want to participate in an incipient superstate with them. If they do, wish them all the best.Theuniondivvie said:The absolute bastards!
https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1222928005141532677?s=20
Voters didn’t associate NHS funding, housing crisis, education funding, crap transport, deindustrialisation and forgotten run down communities to EU membership and the free market All by themselves, a band of politicians and media opinion formers led the voters there. and as the clock ticks past 11 on the 31st, it’s ticks towards that deluded bands comeuppance.
The Low paid will still be on minimum wage so no change.0 -
Was this the magnificent cause which deliberately ignored and reversed two sovereign democratic referendums, in France and Holland, to force through an unwanted Constitution on a thwarted European people?rottenborough said:
These europhiles are just c*nts.
Sorry, Mike Smithson, but they are. They are repulsive liars and canting scum. My god, Brexit was worth it, just to see these bastards defeated and humiliated.0 -
Last week on QT Trevor Phillips outlined the way he felt inner city knife crime should be dealt with. Tonight on BBC London news there was an item on a campaign to deal with it that seems to be majoring on his ideas, let’s hope it succeeds.0
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I vote we keep that euphemism!rottenborough said:
He's busy fawning* over his new portrait.isam said:Thought Farage would have been on QT tonight
* euphemism alert.
The American agony uncle Dan Savage invented "pegging" for anal sex with a dildo and "Santorum" for the mix of faeces and lube consequent to anal sex (and thus immortalising the Republican politician and homophobe Rick Santorum, which was the point). Private Eye introduced "Ugandan discussions" as an euphemism for sex.
Perhaps we could similarly introduce "fawning" as a euphemism for masturbation, as in "Burgon fawned over Corbyn", or "Gove fawned over Boris". You have to admit, it would make the news a hell of a lot funnier... 0 -
Yep. Sex Education is superb. Re-educate her.Gallowgate said:
Sex Education is fantastic. Your wife is wrong.Byronic said:
Is that even true? I've heard that their version of Dracula was just awful.viewcode said:
Whereas we only produce good drama when Steven Moffat and Mark Gattis get their hands on something that's no longer in copyright, and then only for three episodes if Benefit Cabbagepatch has a gap in filming...Alistair said:
Some American dramas should be half a season long, but due to the rapacious demands of syndication and the half year schedule they get dragged out to 20+ episodes.Byronic said:
The first series was excellent, but wow it declined fast. Even faster than Homeland maybeviewcode said:
Am I the only person on here who actually liked The Man In The High Castle? Well, the leaked versions on youtube anyway. Although it has to be said Rufus Sewell is beginning to age out: his hair now has that wispy cloud look to it. And he still hasn't got any lips.Theuniondivvie said:Hopefully this will be good, at least it doesn't look like it'll turn into a wallowing mess like Man In The High Castle.
https://twitter.com/HBO/status/1222950102425272320?s=20
Some dramas are simply meant to be one series long. If there is a fault in the American TV system (otherwise so creative) it is this: they cannot resist sequels to profitable shows,
His Dark Materials was earnest PC drivel
And my wife - 24 - reliably informs me that the so-called brilliant Sex Education is about as bad as Mrs Brown's Boys
The decline of British TV in my lifetime is one of the great tragedies of our national culture. Devoured by a pincer movement of lefty identity politics and cheap commercialisation.0 -
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