I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
And yet the Daily Mail tells us that folk on £100k are "Middle Class".
Well, as opposed to what?
Where the 'middle' is ?
I wouldn't say people on £100k are the epitome of middle class, but how else would you classify them, other than middle class?
Absolutely not the middle as that excuses them for not recognising that they are absolutely at the top end of income.
So upper / Top or anything other than middle as suggesting that is 'middle' makes them feel that they are not hugely privileged.
The Mail are good at finding people who “struggle” to “cope” on six figure salaries living in Surrey, what with the massive mortgage, three sets of school fees and the skiing holiday to pay for...
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
I'd imagine if 'brilliant uncirculated' goes for £10, a 1000% mark up would be the least of it.
And yet the Daily Mail tells us that folk on £100k are "Middle Class".
Folk as in a couple? a professional couple would probably not unreasonably be on £100k between them. A pair of time served teachers would be more or less that.
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
And yet the Daily Mail tells us that folk on £100k are "Middle Class".
Well, as opposed to what?
Where the 'middle' is ?
I wouldn't say people on £100k are the epitome of middle class, but how else would you classify them, other than middle class?
Absolutely not the middle as that excuses them for not recognising that they are absolutely at the top end of income.
So upper / Top or anything other than middle as suggesting that is 'middle' makes them feel that they are not hugely privileged.
I think we're talking at crossed purposes here. Clearly it's an upper tier salary. My point is that it doesn't make a person "upper class".
I earn over 100k and live in London. I'm also mortgaged to the hilt on a 2 bed flat. I definitely am not anyone's idea of upper class, even by @kinabalu's weird description.
This morning I went into an independent coffee shop and was confronted with a menu with a string of items that I hadn't heard of. Am I pig ignorant for not knowing what a "half and half" or a "Lawson" is?
I'm afraid you're out of step with the cool kids, now you're living out in deepest Brexitshire. FPT re the Essex-Suffolk border, I once went out with a girl from Nayland.
That sounds like the start of a limerick. Nayland is very nice, but since it is in Suffolk, it is clearly not in the Suffolk-Essex borders, which is only found in north Essex. Everything north of the border is south Suffolk.
There once was a girl from Nayland Who worked as a fitter for Leyland When she left my life She ran off with my wife. Now I’m all alone in this grey land.
And yet the Daily Mail tells us that folk on £100k are "Middle Class".
Well, as opposed to what?
Where the 'middle' is ?
I wouldn't say people on £100k are the epitome of middle class, but how else would you classify them, other than middle class?
Absolutely not the middle as that excuses them for not recognising that they are absolutely at the top end of income.
So upper / Top or anything other than middle as suggesting that is 'middle' makes them feel that they are not hugely privileged.
I think we're talking at crossed purposes here. Clearly it's an upper tier salary. My point is that it doesn't make a person "upper class".
I earn over 100k and live in London. I'm also mortgaged to the hilt on a 2 bed flat. I definitely am not anyone's idea of upper class, even by @kinabalu's weird description.
Earn £100k per year and you are upper anything to do with income.
Whatever conditions you try to justify not describing it as such.
And yet the Daily Mail tells us that folk on £100k are "Middle Class".
Well, as opposed to what?
Where the 'middle' is ?
I wouldn't say people on £100k are the epitome of middle class, but how else would you classify them, other than middle class?
Absolutely not the middle as that excuses them for not recognising that they are absolutely at the top end of income.
So upper / Top or anything other than middle as suggesting that is 'middle' makes them feel that they are not hugely privileged.
I think we're talking at crossed purposes here. Clearly it's an upper tier salary. My point is that it doesn't make a person "upper class".
I earn over 100k and live in London. I'm also mortgaged to the hilt on a 2 bed flat. I definitely am not anyone's idea of upper class, even by @kinabalu's weird description.
Earn £100k per year and you are upper anything to do with income.
Whatever conditions you try to justify not describing it as such.
My goodness, it's like talking to a wall.
Income is nothing to do with class. I'm talking specifically about class.
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
15.5g of 22 carat gold is about £600.
A bit like the Lottery and DVLA selling personalised Number Plates - a voluntary tax.
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
A little research suggests half an ounce of gold in a 50p piece, so about £605 of gold at today’s price.
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
15.5g of 22 carat gold is about £600.
A bit like the Lottery and DVLA selling personalised Number Plates - a voluntary tax.
People like collecting things. I don't see a problem with that.
And yet the Daily Mail tells us that folk on £100k are "Middle Class".
Well, as opposed to what?
Where the 'middle' is ?
I wouldn't say people on £100k are the epitome of middle class, but how else would you classify them, other than middle class?
Absolutely not the middle as that excuses them for not recognising that they are absolutely at the top end of income.
So upper / Top or anything other than middle as suggesting that is 'middle' makes them feel that they are not hugely privileged.
I think we're talking at crossed purposes here. Clearly it's an upper tier salary. My point is that it doesn't make a person "upper class".
I earn over 100k and live in London. I'm also mortgaged to the hilt on a 2 bed flat. I definitely am not anyone's idea of upper class, even by @kinabalu's weird description.
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
15.5g of 22 carat gold is about £600.
A bit like the Lottery and DVLA selling personalised Number Plates - a voluntary tax.
To some people these things are important, actually for all of us there are important things. This is a great gift for a brexit fan.
And yet the Daily Mail tells us that folk on £100k are "Middle Class".
Well, as opposed to what?
Where the 'middle' is ?
I wouldn't say people on £100k are the epitome of middle class, but how else would you classify them, other than middle class?
Absolutely not the middle as that excuses them for not recognising that they are absolutely at the top end of income.
So upper / Top or anything other than middle as suggesting that is 'middle' makes them feel that they are not hugely privileged.
I think we're talking at crossed purposes here. Clearly it's an upper tier salary. My point is that it doesn't make a person "upper class".
I earn over 100k and live in London. I'm also mortgaged to the hilt on a 2 bed flat. I definitely am not anyone's idea of upper class, even by @kinabalu's weird description.
Accidentally watched an episode of Question Time recently, where there was spat between Richard Burgon and an audience member. Burgon said that anyone earning over £80k was well off, and the audience member said that he was lying; he earned that and wasn't, and that every solicitor or doctor earned more than that. Burgon said that when he practised a solicitor he earned half of that.
I think we're talking at crossed purposes here. Clearly it's an upper tier salary. My point is that it doesn't make a person "upper class".
I earn over 100k and live in London. I'm also mortgaged to the hilt on a 2 bed flat. I definitely am not anyone's idea of upper class, even by @kinabalu's weird description.
Did I "do" you and you weren't happy with the outcome? Don't fully recall.
What I do recall is that @isam is a Provisional 9 (working class) but has yet to provide sufficient data for me to go Final on it.
And yet the Daily Mail tells us that folk on £100k are "Middle Class".
Well, as opposed to what?
Where the 'middle' is ?
I wouldn't say people on £100k are the epitome of middle class, but how else would you classify them, other than middle class?
Absolutely not the middle as that excuses them for not recognising that they are absolutely at the top end of income.
So upper / Top or anything other than middle as suggesting that is 'middle' makes them feel that they are not hugely privileged.
I think we're talking at crossed purposes here. Clearly it's an upper tier salary. My point is that it doesn't make a person "upper class".
I earn over 100k and live in London. I'm also mortgaged to the hilt on a 2 bed flat. I definitely am not anyone's idea of upper class, even by @kinabalu's weird description.
Earn £100k per year and you are upper anything to do with income.
Whatever conditions you try to justify not describing it as such.
Upper income yes. That's not the phrase you used though is it?
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
15.5g of 22 carat gold is about £600.
A bit like the Lottery and DVLA selling personalised Number Plates - a voluntary tax.
Govt making money out of a voluntary tax or those both wealthy enough and too stupid to realise it's such, is fine by me. more power to its elbow.
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
15.5g of 22 carat gold is about £600.
A bit like the Lottery and DVLA selling personalised Number Plates - a voluntary tax.
I don't know what people are complaining about, there are far worse ways of wasting money, a lot of jewellery and luxury goods have much higher mark-ups.
This morning I went into an independent coffee shop and was confronted with a menu with a string of items that I hadn't heard of. Am I pig ignorant for not knowing what a "half and half" or a "Lawson" is?
I'm afraid you're out of step with the cool kids, now you're living out in deepest Brexitshire. FPT re the Essex-Suffolk border, I once went out with a girl from Nayland.
That sounds like the start of a limerick. Nayland is very nice, but since it is in Suffolk, it is clearly not in the Suffolk-Essex borders, which is only found in north Essex. Everything north of the border is south Suffolk.
There once was a girl from Nayland Who worked as a fitter for Leyland When she left my life She ran off with my wife. Now I’m all alone in this grey land.
North Essex is somewhat grey today. Good golf course not far from Nayland, I'm told. Don't play the game myself.
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
15.5g of 22 carat gold is about £600.
A bit like the Lottery and DVLA selling personalised Number Plates - a voluntary tax.
I don't know what people are complaining about, there are far worse ways of wasting money, a lot of jewellery and luxury goods have much higher mark-ups.
They might even strike one out of the 1500 with an oxford comma. That one would be worth a fortune.
I'm content and think its none of my business what other nations in Europe do.
Some batshit crazies will always be batshit crazy. There's batshit crazies on all sides, so long as they don't take over (like the Labour leadership) they're better off being ignored or laughed at.
"UPS announced Wednesday investments in electric trucks, the testing of self-driving vans and the construction of a new “super hub” as part of its efforts to capitalize on the growth of e-commerce.
UPS, which sees electric vehicles as a key part of its sustainability efforts, will purchase 10,000 electric vehicles from U.K.-based startup Arrival and take a minority stake in the company. The financial details were not disclosed."
I think we're talking at crossed purposes here. Clearly it's an upper tier salary. My point is that it doesn't make a person "upper class".
I earn over 100k and live in London. I'm also mortgaged to the hilt on a 2 bed flat. I definitely am not anyone's idea of upper class, even by @kinabalu's weird description.
Did I "do" you and you weren't happy with the outcome? Don't fully recall.
What I do recall is that @isam is a Provisional 9 (working class) but has yet to provide sufficient data for me to go Final on it.
I think I agreed with your assessment but couldn't see how you'd gotten there from your description of the system. Third generation white collar professional - which I claimed was a 12 and you seemed to think should be higher.
"UPS announced Wednesday investments in electric trucks, the testing of self-driving vans and the construction of a new “super hub” as part of its efforts to capitalize on the growth of e-commerce.
UPS, which sees electric vehicles as a key part of its sustainability efforts, will purchase 10,000 electric vehicles from U.K.-based startup Arrival and take a minority stake in the company. The financial details were not disclosed."
The Mail are good at finding people who “struggle” to “cope” on six figure salaries living in Surrey, what with the massive mortgage, three sets of SCHOOL FEES and the skiing holiday to pay for...
Indeed. These take up a big slice of income for many struggling affluents. Their removal would be tantamount to a massive middle class tax break. Much more left in pocket and available for holidays, cars, vintage wines, cashmere sweaters, whatever. This is why the elimination of private schools is not Class War but a genuine "win win" One Nation policy.
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
15.5g of 22 carat gold is about £600.
A bit like the Lottery and DVLA selling personalised Number Plates - a voluntary tax.
I don't know what people are complaining about, there are far worse ways of wasting money, a lot of jewellery and luxury goods have much higher mark-ups.
What use of gold makes it worth what it is? Why do many world governments hoard it?
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
15.5g of 22 carat gold is about £600.
A bit like the Lottery and DVLA selling personalised Number Plates - a voluntary tax.
I don't know what people are complaining about, there are far worse ways of wasting money, a lot of jewellery and luxury goods have much higher mark-ups.
What use of gold makes it worth what it is? Why do many world governments hoard it?
The Mail are good at finding people who “struggle” to “cope” on six figure salaries living in Surrey, what with the massive mortgage, three sets of SCHOOL FEES and the skiing holiday to pay for...
Indeed. These take up a big slice of income for many struggling affluents. Their removal would be tantamount to a massive middle class tax break. Much more left in pocket and available for holidays, cars, vintage wines, cashmere sweaters, whatever. This is why the elimination of private schools is not Class War but a genuine "win win" One Nation policy.
Err, nope. It’ll all go on the mortgage to get in the right catchment area for the ‘good school’, as house prices in those areas increase drastically.
The Islington set proposing the abolition of private schooling have never seen what Alastair Campbell (and his missus) called a “Bog standard secondary”
"UPS announced Wednesday investments in electric trucks, the testing of self-driving vans and the construction of a new “super hub” as part of its efforts to capitalize on the growth of e-commerce.
UPS, which sees electric vehicles as a key part of its sustainability efforts, will purchase 10,000 electric vehicles from U.K.-based startup Arrival and take a minority stake in the company. The financial details were not disclosed."
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
15.5g of 22 carat gold is about £600.
A bit like the Lottery and DVLA selling personalised Number Plates - a voluntary tax.
I don't know what people are complaining about, there are far worse ways of wasting money, a lot of jewellery and luxury goods have much higher mark-ups.
What use of gold makes it worth what it is? Why do many world governments hoard it?
The Mail are good at finding people who “struggle” to “cope” on six figure salaries living in Surrey, what with the massive mortgage, three sets of SCHOOL FEES and the skiing holiday to pay for...
Indeed. These take up a big slice of income for many struggling affluents. Their removal would be tantamount to a massive middle class tax break. Much more left in pocket and available for holidays, cars, vintage wines, cashmere sweaters, whatever. This is why the elimination of private schools is not Class War but a genuine "win win" One Nation policy.
Err, nope. It’ll all go on the mortgage to get in the right catchment area for the ‘good school’, as house prices in those areas increase drastically.
100% agreed.
For some reason people like kinablu expect all schools to be the same. Which would entail all teachers being the same. I always wonder if people with these views think so little of teachers they expect them to be mere identikit robots rather than have any humanity, skill, intelligence, empathy or other personal qualities that matter.
I think I agreed with your assessment but couldn't see how you'd gotten there from your description of the system. Third generation white collar professional - which I claimed was a 12 and you seemed to think should be higher.
Oh yes, I remember now. Well, being a couple of points awry is OK. My system is mainly designed to catch out the real porkies. You know, people who for whatever reason really are rather misrepresenting themselves.
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
15.5g of 22 carat gold is about £600.
A bit like the Lottery and DVLA selling personalised Number Plates - a voluntary tax.
I don't know what people are complaining about, there are far worse ways of wasting money, a lot of jewellery and luxury goods have much higher mark-ups.
What use of gold makes it worth what it is? Why do many world governments hoard it?
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
15.5g of 22 carat gold is about £600.
A bit like the Lottery and DVLA selling personalised Number Plates - a voluntary tax.
I don't know what people are complaining about, there are far worse ways of wasting money, a lot of jewellery and luxury goods have much higher mark-ups.
What use of gold makes it worth what it is? Why do many world governments hoard it?
for the current batch, all the same price. The remoanariat seem to be self-trolling here, it's as if someone said there was no way they could come up with something as twattish as the blue passport thing. they have risen heroically to the challenge.
The Mail are good at finding people who “struggle” to “cope” on six figure salaries living in Surrey, what with the massive mortgage, three sets of SCHOOL FEES and the skiing holiday to pay for...
Indeed. These take up a big slice of income for many struggling affluents. Their removal would be tantamount to a massive middle class tax break. Much more left in pocket and available for holidays, cars, vintage wines, cashmere sweaters, whatever. This is why the elimination of private schools is not Class War but a genuine "win win" One Nation policy.
Err, nope. It’ll all go on the mortgage to get in the right catchment area for the ‘good school’, as house prices in those areas increase drastically.
The Islington set proposing the abolition of private schooling have never seen what Alastair Campbell (and his missus) called a “Bog standard secondary”
How can you say that? We all know there must be bogs in Islington .....
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
15.5g of 22 carat gold is about £600.
A bit like the Lottery and DVLA selling personalised Number Plates - a voluntary tax.
I don't know what people are complaining about, there are far worse ways of wasting money, a lot of jewellery and luxury goods have much higher mark-ups.
What use of gold makes it worth what it is? Why do many world governments hoard it?
for the current batch, all the same price. The remoanariat seem to be self-trolling here, it's as if someone said there was no way they could come up with something as twattish as the blue passport thing. they have risen heroically to the challenge.
Nothing will beat the Australian mint which made a massive gold coin:
"UPS announced Wednesday investments in electric trucks, the testing of self-driving vans and the construction of a new “super hub” as part of its efforts to capitalize on the growth of e-commerce.
UPS, which sees electric vehicles as a key part of its sustainability efforts, will purchase 10,000 electric vehicles from U.K.-based startup Arrival and take a minority stake in the company. The financial details were not disclosed."
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
15.5g of 22 carat gold is about £600.
A bit like the Lottery and DVLA selling personalised Number Plates - a voluntary tax.
I don't know what people are complaining about, there are far worse ways of wasting money, a lot of jewellery and luxury goods have much higher mark-ups.
What use of gold makes it worth what it is? Why do many world governments hoard it?
And yet the Daily Mail tells us that folk on £100k are "Middle Class".
Well, as opposed to what?
Where the 'middle' is ?
I wouldn't say people on £100k are the epitome of middle class, but how else would you classify them, other than middle class?
Absolutely not the middle as that excuses them for not recognising that they are absolutely at the top end of income.
So upper / Top or anything other than middle as suggesting that is 'middle' makes them feel that they are not hugely privileged.
I think we're talking at crossed purposes here. Clearly it's an upper tier salary. My point is that it doesn't make a person "upper class".
I earn over 100k and live in London. I'm also mortgaged to the hilt on a 2 bed flat. I definitely am not anyone's idea of upper class, even by @kinabalu's weird description.
Accidentally watched an episode of Question Time recently, where there was spat between Richard Burgon and an audience member. Burgon said that anyone earning over £80k was well off, and the audience member said that he was lying; he earned that and wasn't, and that every solicitor or doctor earned more than that. Burgon said that when he practised a solicitor he earned half of that.
Err, nope. It’ll all go on the mortgage to get in the right catchment area for the ‘good school’, as house prices in those areas increase drastically.
The Islington set proposing the abolition of private schooling have never seen what Alastair Campbell (and his missus) called a “Bog standard secondary”
You are trying to nitpick your way out of a policy that you instinctively dislike because it has a "politics of envy" feel to it. I'm used to this.
Err, nope. It’ll all go on the mortgage to get in the right catchment area for the ‘good school’, as house prices in those areas increase drastically.
The Islington set proposing the abolition of private schooling have never seen what Alastair Campbell (and his missus) called a “Bog standard secondary”
You are trying to nitpick your way out of a policy that you instinctively dislike because it has a "politics of envy" feel to it. I'm used to this.
If you're used to it, maybe you should engage in less politics of envy?
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
15.5g of 22 carat gold is about £600.
A bit like the Lottery and DVLA selling personalised Number Plates - a voluntary tax.
I don't know what people are complaining about, there are far worse ways of wasting money, a lot of jewellery and luxury goods have much higher mark-ups.
What use of gold makes it worth what it is? Why do many world governments hoard it?
Its rarity.
My shit is rare - any offers?
Does it come in "brilliant uncirculated"?
I don't know about brilliant but it's definitely uncirculated at source
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
15.5g of 22 carat gold is about £600.
A bit like the Lottery and DVLA selling personalised Number Plates - a voluntary tax.
I don't know what people are complaining about, there are far worse ways of wasting money, a lot of jewellery and luxury goods have much higher mark-ups.
What use of gold makes it worth what it is? Why do many world governments hoard it?
And yet the Daily Mail tells us that folk on £100k are "Middle Class".
Well, as opposed to what?
Where the 'middle' is ?
I wouldn't say people on £100k are the epitome of middle class, but how else would you classify them, other than middle class?
Absolutely not the middle as that excuses them for not recognising that they are absolutely at the top end of income.
So upper / Top or anything other than middle as suggesting that is 'middle' makes them feel that they are not hugely privileged.
I think we're talking at crossed purposes here. Clearly it's an upper tier salary. My point is that it doesn't make a person "upper class".
I earn over 100k and live in London. I'm also mortgaged to the hilt on a 2 bed flat. I definitely am not anyone's idea of upper class, even by @kinabalu's weird description.
Accidentally watched an episode of Question Time recently, where there was spat between Richard Burgon and an audience member. Burgon said that anyone earning over £80k was well off, and the audience member said that he was lying; he earned that and wasn't, and that every solicitor or doctor earned more than that. Burgon said that when he practised a solicitor he earned half of that.
I didn't see/hear how it ended.
TBF, who would pick Burgon for their lawyer ?
Who would pick Burgon as a garden gnome? Hold on .....
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
15.5g of 22 carat gold is about £600.
A bit like the Lottery and DVLA selling personalised Number Plates - a voluntary tax.
I don't know what people are complaining about, there are far worse ways of wasting money, a lot of jewellery and luxury goods have much higher mark-ups.
What use of gold makes it worth what it is? Why do many world governments hoard it?
If you're used to it, maybe you should engage in less politics of envy?
Hmm, but that's easier said than done because that label - or Class War - tends to get attached to any idea which has a halfway decent chance of diversifying wealth and opportunity away from those on the right side of our current MO to those on the wrong side of it.
If you're used to it, maybe you should engage in less politics of envy?
Hmm, but that's easier said than done because that label - or Class War - tends to get attached to any idea which has a halfway decent chance of diversifying wealth and opportunity away from those on the right side of our current MO to those on the wrong side of it.
Maybe stop trying to diversify wealth away from anyone then and instead try and enable others to grow their own wealth?
And yet the Daily Mail tells us that folk on £100k are "Middle Class".
Well, as opposed to what?
Where the 'middle' is ?
I wouldn't say people on £100k are the epitome of middle class, but how else would you classify them, other than middle class?
Absolutely not the middle as that excuses them for not recognising that they are absolutely at the top end of income.
So upper / Top or anything other than middle as suggesting that is 'middle' makes them feel that they are not hugely privileged.
I think we're talking at crossed purposes here. Clearly it's an upper tier salary. My point is that it doesn't make a person "upper class".
I earn over 100k and live in London. I'm also mortgaged to the hilt on a 2 bed flat. I definitely am not anyone's idea of upper class, even by @kinabalu's weird description.
Accidentally watched an episode of Question Time recently, where there was spat between Richard Burgon and an audience member. Burgon said that anyone earning over £80k was well off, and the audience member said that he was lying; he earned that and wasn't, and that every solicitor or doctor earned more than that. Burgon said that when he practised a solicitor he earned half of that.
I didn't see/hear how it ended.
TBF, who would pick Burgon for their lawyer ?
I did wonder. Might say more about Burgon than he realised.
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
15.5g of 22 carat gold is about £600.
A bit like the Lottery and DVLA selling personalised Number Plates - a voluntary tax.
In California, the DMV allows you have whatever plate you like (so long as no-one else has it) for just $30 more year.
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
15.5g of 22 carat gold is about £600.
A bit like the Lottery and DVLA selling personalised Number Plates - a voluntary tax.
In California, the DMV allows you have whatever plate you like (so long as no-one else has it) for just $30 more year.
For some reason people like kinablu expect all schools to be the same. Which would entail all teachers being the same. I always wonder if people with these views think so little of teachers they expect them to be mere identikit robots rather than have any humanity, skill, intelligence, empathy or other personal qualities that matter.
Not at all. This is really not where I'm coming from. I want all schools to be the same (and high) STANDARD. Not 100% possible, of course, but this should be the goal to work towards. It does not mean the same. I'm off analogies atm but just to use one here which is apt. There are different ways to skin a cat - this is so true that it's become a saying - but the end result (if done well and properly) will look broadly similar.
This morning I went into an independent coffee shop and was confronted with a menu with a string of items that I hadn't heard of. Am I pig ignorant for not knowing what a "half and half" or a "Lawson" is?
Does the “Lawson*” come with a “big bang” and a “boom” a few minutes later?
(*If it’s the other one, maybe you just wink at the camera and drizzle it over your breast instead)
For some reason people like kinablu expect all schools to be the same. Which would entail all teachers being the same. I always wonder if people with these views think so little of teachers they expect them to be mere identikit robots rather than have any humanity, skill, intelligence, empathy or other personal qualities that matter.
Not at all. This is really not where I'm coming from. I want all schools to be the same (and high) STANDARD. Not 100% possible, of course, but this should be the goal to work towards. It does not mean the same. I'm off analogies atm but just to use one here which is apt. There are different ways to skin a cat - this is so true that it's become a saying - but the end result (if done well and properly) will look broadly similar.
One of the issues that schools face is that different classes or year groups are different. One lot will be generally studious and biddable, the next year's more rowdy. All the teachers in my family ...... and there are lots, of different age.......have told me the same.
For some reason people like kinablu expect all schools to be the same. Which would entail all teachers being the same. I always wonder if people with these views think so little of teachers they expect them to be mere identikit robots rather than have any humanity, skill, intelligence, empathy or other personal qualities that matter.
Not at all. This is really not where I'm coming from. I want all schools to be the same (and high) STANDARD. Not 100% possible, of course, but this should be the goal to work towards. It does not mean the same. I'm off analogies atm but just to use one here which is apt. There are different ways to skin a cat - this is so true that it's become a saying - but the end result (if done well and properly) will look broadly similar.
That only works if you’re in favour of what the Americans call “busing” in the meantime.
Each child in London gets assigned to a random school in London, and is provided with transport to get there. No exceptions, and no discussions between parents and schools in advance of admission.
You’re in favour of this, or are you in favour of allowing the already wealthy to keep the catchment areas around their own excellent state schools?
For some reason people like kinablu expect all schools to be the same. Which would entail all teachers being the same. I always wonder if people with these views think so little of teachers they expect them to be mere identikit robots rather than have any humanity, skill, intelligence, empathy or other personal qualities that matter.
Not at all. This is really not where I'm coming from. I want all schools to be the same (and high) STANDARD. Not 100% possible, of course, but this should be the goal to work towards. It does not mean the same. I'm off analogies atm but just to use one here which is apt. There are different ways to skin a cat - this is so true that it's become a saying - but the end result (if done well and properly) will look broadly similar.
So you want to take all initiative, variance, special abilities and uniqueness away from teachers then? And make them all bog STANDARD?
That's the only way to make them all the same standard. Factory formed homogenous products can be standardised, teachers can't unless you strip them of everything unique.
I value unique and dedicated teachers. Why don't you?
Standard is not a good word. I value the exceptional.
The Mail are good at finding people who “struggle” to “cope” on six figure salaries living in Surrey, what with the massive mortgage, three sets of SCHOOL FEES and the skiing holiday to pay for...
Indeed. These take up a big slice of income for many struggling affluents. Their removal would be tantamount to a massive middle class tax break. Much more left in pocket and available for holidays, cars, vintage wines, cashmere sweaters, whatever. This is why the elimination of private schools is not Class War but a genuine "win win" One Nation policy.
I don’t think it is. It would divert a lot of resources within the economy from the education sector (that pays for teachers, labs, sports facilities etc, and cross-subsidies the state places it abdicates) into consumption.
I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
I'm going to take a random guess that it is at least 10 times its scrap value as gold. The whole point is to make a profit from collectors and you can't do that buy selling below cost.
15.5g of 22 carat gold is about £600.
A bit like the Lottery and DVLA selling personalised Number Plates - a voluntary tax.
I don't know what people are complaining about, there are far worse ways of wasting money, a lot of jewellery and luxury goods have much higher mark-ups.
What use of gold makes it worth what it is? Why do many world governments hoard it?
Its rarity.
My shit is rare - any offers?
Does it come in "brilliant uncirculated"?
Polished at least..
You seem very excited.
How many times have you ‘polished’ your own ‘coin’ over that opinion poll this afternoon so far?
One of the issues that schools face is that different classes or year groups are different. One lot will be generally studious and biddable, the next year's more rowdy. All the teachers in my family ...... and there are lots, of different age.......have told me the same.
Yes. All makes for a very difficult job. One that adds real value too. If I was Schools Czar, I would up the pay, plus higher pay for the "harder" environments, make it a high status, difficult to get into profession - like medicine - and then I would allow absolutely loads of autonomy at individual school level. All state schools but no heavy hand of the state. Let those teachers teach. Every child goes to a high quality state school that's close to them. And given other policies will "level up" regions and areas, this means that every child, regardless of parental means, has at least a reasonably equal shot at entering adulthood with a following wind. The best of all things in the best of all possible worlds. Ah bisto.
If you're used to it, maybe you should engage in less politics of envy?
Hmm, but that's easier said than done because that label - or Class War - tends to get attached to any idea which has a halfway decent chance of diversifying wealth and opportunity away from those on the right side of our current MO to those on the wrong side of it.
I'll just repost this from the previous thread about the Guardian's video on abolition:
Utterly bonkers.
For the Left to threaten private education provokes the same kind of emotional reaction as if the Right were threatening the NHS. You're going to get nuclear-level pushback for minimal political gain. Want a Tory vote stuck at 40%+ indefinitely? Then have Labour push spiteful class war policies like this one.
Irrelevant as Boris has made clear he will block indyref2 for his full 5 year term.
(Of course a Yougov poll had Yes ahead in 2014 too anyway)
Yah boo sucks, you're not getting a referendum so who cares - check Cast half arsed aspersions on the pollster - check No one wants more disruptive uncertainty from the SNP, that's the Tories' job - ? Once in a generation promise - ? Send in the troops - ?
Just setting up some more options for the HYUFD rapid rebuttal team.
I bet what you’re secretly gagging for is ‘send in the troops’.
You could rip your shirt off your scrawny chest to reveal the smudged tartan tattooed underneath and do your full Mel Gibson routine.
And yet the Daily Mail tells us that folk on £100k are "Middle Class".
Well, as opposed to what?
Where the 'middle' is ?
I wouldn't say people on £100k are the epitome of middle class, but how else would you classify them, other than middle class?
Absolutely not the middle as that excuses them for not recognising that they are absolutely at the top end of income.
So upper / Top or anything other than middle as suggesting that is 'middle' makes them feel that they are not hugely privileged.
I think we're talking at crossed purposes here. Clearly it's an upper tier salary. My point is that it doesn't make a person "upper class".
I earn over 100k and live in London. I'm also mortgaged to the hilt on a 2 bed flat. I definitely am not anyone's idea of upper class, even by @kinabalu's weird description.
Accidentally watched an episode of Question Time recently, where there was spat between Richard Burgon and an audience member. Burgon said that anyone earning over £80k was well off, and the audience member said that he was lying; he earned that and wasn't, and that every solicitor or doctor earned more than that. Burgon said that when he practised a solicitor he earned half of that.
I didn't see/hear how it ended.
Firstly, Richard Burgon has clearly never heard of inflation. Secondly, that probably tells you how good Richard Burgon was as a solicitor.
One of the issues that schools face is that different classes or year groups are different. One lot will be generally studious and biddable, the next year's more rowdy. All the teachers in my family ...... and there are lots, of different age.......have told me the same.
Yes. All makes for a very difficult job. One that adds real value too. If I was Schools Czar, I would up the pay, plus higher pay for the "harder" environments, make it a high status, difficult to get into profession - like medicine - and then I would allow absolutely loads of autonomy at individual school level. All state schools but no heavy hand of the state. Let those teachers teach. Every child goes to a high quality state school that's close to them. And given other policies will "level up" regions and areas, this means that every child, regardless of parental means, has at least a reasonably equal shot at entering adulthood with a following wind. The best of all things in the best of all possible worlds. Ah bisto.
Loads of autonomy? So not standardised then?
And since you want to keep children going to schools close to them I assume you're keeping catchment areas.
So therefore the richest parents will be able to buy their way into the best schools via buying a home in the catchment area.
Great job! Your ambition of having great schools for everyone is one I share, just strip away the envy.
For some reason people like kinablu expect all schools to be the same. Which would entail all teachers being the same. I always wonder if people with these views think so little of teachers they expect them to be mere identikit robots rather than have any humanity, skill, intelligence, empathy or other personal qualities that matter.
Not at all. This is really not where I'm coming from. I want all schools to be the same (and high) STANDARD. Not 100% possible, of course, but this should be the goal to work towards. It does not mean the same. I'm off analogies atm but just to use one here which is apt. There are different ways to skin a cat - this is so true that it's become a saying - but the end result (if done well and properly) will look broadly similar.
I see it differently.
I favour maximising diversity and choice in the education sector, because it’s by that mechanism that we encourage innovation and flexibility so we can raise overall education standards for the maximum number of child as high as possible as broadly as possible.
For some reason people like kinablu expect all schools to be the same. Which would entail all teachers being the same. I always wonder if people with these views think so little of teachers they expect them to be mere identikit robots rather than have any humanity, skill, intelligence, empathy or other personal qualities that matter.
Not at all. This is really not where I'm coming from. I want all schools to be the same (and high) STANDARD. Not 100% possible, of course, but this should be the goal to work towards. It does not mean the same. I'm off analogies atm but just to use one here which is apt. There are different ways to skin a cat - this is so true that it's become a saying - but the end result (if done well and properly) will look broadly similar.
That only works if you’re in favour of what the Americans call “busing” in the meantime.
Each child in London gets assigned to a random school in London, and is provided with transport to get there. No exceptions, and no discussions between parents and schools in advance of admission.
You’re in favour of this, or are you in favour of allowing the already wealthy to keep the catchment areas around their own excellent state schools?
It is an absolutely rubbish argument, you may as well ban Marks and Spencer and Waitrose and bus all customers to their nearest Lidl or Asda (and at least private schools provide scholarships and bursaries).
In any case vouchers are now more in favour from Sweden to the US to allow real choice not one size fits all
"UPS announced Wednesday investments in electric trucks, the testing of self-driving vans and the construction of a new “super hub” as part of its efforts to capitalize on the growth of e-commerce.
UPS, which sees electric vehicles as a key part of its sustainability efforts, will purchase 10,000 electric vehicles from U.K.-based startup Arrival and take a minority stake in the company. The financial details were not disclosed."
Russian billionaire startup, with recent investment form Korean manufacturers. Promising.
There had been a degree of scepticism in the EV space about them, as they had been very good at showing renders of their vehicles, but didn't have a single preproduction demo vehicle.
Maybe stop trying to diversify wealth away from anyone then and instead try and enable others to grow their own wealth?
That sounds like a folksy piece of "give a man a fish?" type sentiment. You can't have all winners, I'm afraid. You can't make a serious dent in inequality without being prepared to remove unfair advantage from those who currently have it. To govern is to choose.
One of the issues that schools face is that different classes or year groups are different. One lot will be generally studious and biddable, the next year's more rowdy. All the teachers in my family ...... and there are lots, of different age.......have told me the same.
Yes. All makes for a very difficult job. One that adds real value too. If I was Schools Czar, I would up the pay, plus higher pay for the "harder" environments, make it a high status, difficult to get into profession - like medicine - and then I would allow absolutely loads of autonomy at individual school level. All state schools but no heavy hand of the state. Let those teachers teach. Every child goes to a high quality state school that's close to them. And given other policies will "level up" regions and areas, this means that every child, regardless of parental means, has at least a reasonably equal shot at entering adulthood with a following wind. The best of all things in the best of all possible worlds. Ah bisto.
What does "loads of autonomy" mean with respect to the schools in Birmingham who don't want to cover certain aspects of the current SRE curriculum?
For some reason people like kinablu expect all schools to be the same. Which would entail all teachers being the same. I always wonder if people with these views think so little of teachers they expect them to be mere identikit robots rather than have any humanity, skill, intelligence, empathy or other personal qualities that matter.
Not at all. This is really not where I'm coming from. I want all schools to be the same (and high) STANDARD. Not 100% possible, of course, but this should be the goal to work towards. It does not mean the same. I'm off analogies atm but just to use one here which is apt. There are different ways to skin a cat - this is so true that it's become a saying - but the end result (if done well and properly) will look broadly similar.
I see it differently.
I favour maximising diversity and choice in the education sector, because it’s by that mechanism that we encourage innovation and flexibility so we can raise overall education standards for the maximum number of child as high as possible as broadly as possible.
Absolutely. It will also improve innovation and competition.
"UPS announced Wednesday investments in electric trucks, the testing of self-driving vans and the construction of a new “super hub” as part of its efforts to capitalize on the growth of e-commerce.
UPS, which sees electric vehicles as a key part of its sustainability efforts, will purchase 10,000 electric vehicles from U.K.-based startup Arrival and take a minority stake in the company. The financial details were not disclosed."
Russian billionaire startup, with recent investment form Korean manufacturers. Promising.
There had been a degree of scepticism in the EV space about them, as they had been very good at showing renders of their vehicles, but didn't have a single preproduction demo vehicle.
I’d never heard of them before today either, which surprised me.
How much of today’s announcement is an actual order for actual vehicles, and how much is investment by UPS to get the tech to market?
For some reason people like kinablu expect all schools to be the same. Which would entail all teachers being the same. I always wonder if people with these views think so little of teachers they expect them to be mere identikit robots rather than have any humanity, skill, intelligence, empathy or other personal qualities that matter.
Not at all. This is really not where I'm coming from. I want all schools to be the same (and high) STANDARD. Not 100% possible, of course, but this should be the goal to work towards. It does not mean the same. I'm off analogies atm but just to use one here which is apt. There are different ways to skin a cat - this is so true that it's become a saying - but the end result (if done well and properly) will look broadly similar.
Yes, ban all outstanding schools and make all schools inadequate
For some reason people like kinablu expect all schools to be the same. Which would entail all teachers being the same. I always wonder if people with these views think so little of teachers they expect them to be mere identikit robots rather than have any humanity, skill, intelligence, empathy or other personal qualities that matter.
Not at all. This is really not where I'm coming from. I want all schools to be the same (and high) STANDARD. Not 100% possible, of course, but this should be the goal to work towards. It does not mean the same. I'm off analogies atm but just to use one here which is apt. There are different ways to skin a cat - this is so true that it's become a saying - but the end result (if done well and properly) will look broadly similar.
That only works if you’re in favour of what the Americans call “busing” in the meantime.
Each child in London gets assigned to a random school in London, and is provided with transport to get there. No exceptions, and no discussions between parents and schools in advance of admission.
You’re in favour of this, or are you in favour of allowing the already wealthy to keep the catchment areas around their own excellent state schools?
It is an absolutely rubbish argument, you may as well ban Marks and Spencer and Waitrose and bus all customers to their nearest Lidl or Asda (and at least private schools provide scholarships and bursaries).
In any case vouchers are now more in favour from Sweden to the US to allow real choice not one size fits all
Yes, parents should choose schools, not the other way around.
"UPS announced Wednesday investments in electric trucks, the testing of self-driving vans and the construction of a new “super hub” as part of its efforts to capitalize on the growth of e-commerce.
UPS, which sees electric vehicles as a key part of its sustainability efforts, will purchase 10,000 electric vehicles from U.K.-based startup Arrival and take a minority stake in the company. The financial details were not disclosed."
Russian billionaire startup, with recent investment form Korean manufacturers. Promising.
There had been a degree of scepticism in the EV space about them, as they had been very good at showing renders of their vehicles, but didn't have a single preproduction demo vehicle.
" It now has 800 employees in the UK, Europe, and the United States. It has developed the skateboard that serves as a foundation for its vehicles in-house and says it can design new models for as little as £100 million whereas other companies require an investment of £1 billion or more to do the same thing. Gaining access to the manufacturing technology is one of the benefits Hyundai and KIA will get from their investment." https://cleantechnica.com/2020/01/21/hyundai-kia-invest-in-uk-electric-van-maker-arrival/
The job role is likely to be more of a food and beverage director, in charge of all the coffee shops at the galleries. In which case the salary’s about right.
It’s an art gallery, of course they use fancy-pants titles - and they just got better publicity and reach for their vacancy than a load of paid adverts would have done. Marketing 101.
Head of Coffee at the Tate, you say.
Hmmm..... I like and collect art. Son has a History of Art degree. So free advice on tap, as it were.
Critically, I know what makes a good cup of coffee and what doesn’t.
One of the issues that schools face is that different classes or year groups are different. One lot will be generally studious and biddable, the next year's more rowdy. All the teachers in my family ...... and there are lots, of different age.......have told me the same.
Yes. All makes for a very difficult job. One that adds real value too. If I was Schools Czar, I would up the pay, plus higher pay for the "harder" environments, make it a high status, difficult to get into profession - like medicine - and then I would allow absolutely loads of autonomy at individual school level. All state schools but no heavy hand of the state. Let those teachers teach. Every child goes to a high quality state school that's close to them. And given other policies will "level up" regions and areas, this means that every child, regardless of parental means, has at least a reasonably equal shot at entering adulthood with a following wind. The best of all things in the best of all possible worlds. Ah bisto.
You have just described a recipe for some schools being better than others. The other issue is more fundamental: how can you ban people paying for education? The often quoted figure of 7% is a huge underestimate of the proportion of the population that pay for some education; there are private tutors, after school groups, revision courses, and so on. This will not stop just because you shut down Eton.
Irrelevant as Boris has made clear he will block indyref2 for his full 5 year term.
(Of course a Yougov poll had Yes ahead in 2014 too anyway)
Yah boo sucks, you're not getting a referendum so who cares - check Cast half arsed aspersions on the pollster - check No one wants more disruptive uncertainty from the SNP, that's the Tories' job - ? Once in a generation promise - ? Send in the troops - ?
Just setting up some more options for the HYUFD rapid rebuttal team.
I bet what you’re secretly gagging for is ‘send in the troops’.
You could rip your shirt off your scrawny chest to reveal the smudged tartan tattooed underneath and do your full Mel Gibson routine.
Jeezo, someone points out you're a bit of a diddy on the internet and you're still snivelling 20 hours later. At least tone down the 'biting' invective, even Jim Davidson would be embarrassed by it.
Maybe stop trying to diversify wealth away from anyone then and instead try and enable others to grow their own wealth?
That sounds like a folksy piece of "give a man a fish?" type sentiment. You can't have all winners, I'm afraid. You can't make a serious dent in inequality without being prepared to remove unfair advantage from those who currently have it. To govern is to choose.
What you have said is obviously true, but that is because you have focused on inequality while Mr Thompson is talking about poverty.
You also seem to assume that everyone else has the same definition of unfair advantage as you do.
Irrelevant as Boris has made clear he will block indyref2 for his full 5 year term.
(Of course a Yougov poll had Yes ahead in 2014 too anyway)
Yah boo sucks, you're not getting a referendum so who cares - check Cast half arsed aspersions on the pollster - check No one wants more disruptive uncertainty from the SNP, that's the Tories' job - ? Once in a generation promise - ? Send in the troops - ?
Just setting up some more options for the HYUFD rapid rebuttal team.
I bet what you’re secretly gagging for is ‘send in the troops’.
You could rip your shirt off your scrawny chest to reveal the smudged tartan tattooed underneath and do your full Mel Gibson routine.
Jeezo, someone points out you're a bit of a diddy on the internet and you're still snivelling 20 hours later. At least tone down the 'biting' invective, even Jim Davidson would be embarrassed by it.
Stop the clock!
You’ve spent 16 minutes sweating over several redrafts of that “put down” on your notepad before responding.
I favour maximising diversity and choice in the education sector, because it’s by that mechanism that we encourage innovation and flexibility so we can raise overall education standards for the maximum number of child as high as possible as broadly as possible.
Fair enough. But that is to accept that parental financial muscle will play a big role in a child's schooling. It allows people who can afford it to buy a "better start in life" for their kids compared to others. They can - and will - do that anyway in other ways but this is to allow money to talk in educational matters too. It's important to be honest about this. You are prioritizing diversity and choice (for some) - and the right of every freeborn Englishman to spend his or her hard earned (or otherwise) money as they see fit - above equal opportunities. It's a VALUE judgement you have made and I make the opposite one. No right or wrong. Difference in values. We could talk about this for ever and that would always be where we end up. I know this because I have often done it.
I favour maximising diversity and choice in the education sector, because it’s by that mechanism that we encourage innovation and flexibility so we can raise overall education standards for the maximum number of child as high as possible as broadly as possible.
Fair enough. But that is to accept that parental financial muscle will play a big role in a child's schooling. It allows people who can afford it to buy a "better start in life" for their kids compared to others. They can - and will - do that anyway in other ways but this is to allow money to talk in educational matters too. It's important to be honest about this. You are prioritizing diversity and choice (for some) - and the right of every freeborn Englishman to spend his or her hard earned (or otherwise) money as they see fit - above equal opportunities. It's a VALUE judgement you have made and I make the opposite one. No right or wrong. Difference in values. We could talk about this for ever and that would always be where we end up. I know this because I have often done it.
I favour maximising diversity and choice in the education sector, because it’s by that mechanism that we encourage innovation and flexibility so we can raise overall education standards for the maximum number of child as high as possible as broadly as possible.
Fair enough. But that is to accept that parental financial muscle will play a big role in a child's schooling. It allows people who can afford it to buy a "better start in life" for their kids compared to others. They can - and will - do that anyway in other ways but this is to allow money to talk in educational matters too. It's important to be honest about this. You are prioritizing diversity and choice (for some) - and the right of every freeborn Englishman to spend his or her hard earned (or otherwise) money as they see fit - above equal opportunities. It's a VALUE judgement you have made and I make the opposite one. No right or wrong. Difference in values. We could talk about this for ever and that would always be where we end up. I know this because I have often done it.
No right or wrong? Perhaps. But one side definitely suits the British character, whereas the other ... does not.
I favour maximising diversity and choice in the education sector, because it’s by that mechanism that we encourage innovation and flexibility so we can raise overall education standards for the maximum number of child as high as possible as broadly as possible.
Fair enough. But that is to accept that parental financial muscle will play a big role in a child's schooling. It allows people who can afford it to buy a "better start in life" for their kids compared to others. They can - and will - do that anyway in other ways but this is to allow money to talk in educational matters too. It's important to be honest about this. You are prioritizing diversity and choice (for some) - and the right of every freeborn Englishman to spend his or her hard earned (or otherwise) money as they see fit - above equal opportunities. It's a VALUE judgement you have made and I make the opposite one. No right or wrong. Difference in values. We could talk about this for ever and that would always be where we end up. I know this because I have often done it.
IQ is largely inherited anyway, as Prince Harry showed just because your parents can afford to send you to go to Eton does not mean you will become Stephen Hawking.
However if you are a bright pupil of modest parental means you may be able to get a scholarship or bursary to Eton which really could change your life
I favour maximising diversity and choice in the education sector, because it’s by that mechanism that we encourage innovation and flexibility so we can raise overall education standards for the maximum number of child as high as possible as broadly as possible.
Fair enough. But that is to accept that parental financial muscle will play a big role in a child's schooling. It allows people who can afford it to buy a "better start in life" for their kids compared to others. They can - and will - do that anyway in other ways but this is to allow money to talk in educational matters too. It's important to be honest about this. You are prioritizing diversity and choice (for some) - and the right of every freeborn Englishman to spend his or her hard earned (or otherwise) money as they see fit - above equal opportunities. It's a VALUE judgement you have made and I make the opposite one. No right or wrong. Difference in values. We could talk about this for ever and that would always be where we end up. I know this because I have often done it.
So, you’re in favour of “busing”?
He is in favour of communism, just starting off with education
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I’m gonna take a random guess that the price isn’t a million miles away from today’s gold price.
https://twitter.com/AllisterHeath/status/1222780504103145473?s=20
So upper / Top or anything other than middle as suggesting that is 'middle' makes them feel that they are not hugely privileged.
They’re trolling, and best ignored.
I earn over 100k and live in London. I'm also mortgaged to the hilt on a 2 bed flat. I definitely am not anyone's idea of upper class, even by @kinabalu's weird description.
Who worked as a fitter for Leyland
When she left my life
She ran off with my wife.
Now I’m all alone in this grey land.
Whatever conditions you try to justify not describing it as such.
Income is nothing to do with class. I'm talking specifically about class.
https://www.bullionbypost.co.uk/gold-coins/uk-currency-coins/gold-fifty-pence-piece/
Also, the Brexit gold coin is limited to 1,500 pieces, so will have future collectible value as a coin.
I didn't see/hear how it ended.
What I do recall is that @isam is a Provisional 9 (working class) but has yet to provide sufficient data for me to go Final on it.
Some batshit crazies will always be batshit crazy. There's batshit crazies on all sides, so long as they don't take over (like the Labour leadership) they're better off being ignored or laughed at.
The Islington set proposing the abolition of private schooling have never seen what Alastair Campbell (and his missus) called a “Bog standard secondary”
For some reason people like kinablu expect all schools to be the same. Which would entail all teachers being the same. I always wonder if people with these views think so little of teachers they expect them to be mere identikit robots rather than have any humanity, skill, intelligence, empathy or other personal qualities that matter.
for the current batch, all the same price. The remoanariat seem to be self-trolling here, it's as if someone said there was no way they could come up with something as twattish as the blue passport thing. they have risen heroically to the challenge.
https://www.perthmint.com/1-tonne-gold-coin.aspx
Yours for a mere $50 million.
I wanted rcs1000, but my wife said "no".
(*If it’s the other one, maybe you just wink at the camera and drizzle it over your breast instead)
All the teachers in my family ...... and there are lots, of different age.......have told me the same.
All signs point to an acquital vote by Saturday morning.
Each child in London gets assigned to a random school in London, and is provided with transport to get there. No exceptions, and no discussions between parents and schools in advance of admission.
You’re in favour of this, or are you in favour of allowing the already wealthy to keep the catchment areas around their own excellent state schools?
That's the only way to make them all the same standard. Factory formed homogenous products can be standardised, teachers can't unless you strip them of everything unique.
I value unique and dedicated teachers. Why don't you?
Standard is not a good word. I value the exceptional.
How many times have you ‘polished’ your own ‘coin’ over that opinion poll this afternoon so far?
Utterly bonkers.
For the Left to threaten private education provokes the same kind of emotional reaction as if the Right were threatening the NHS. You're going to get nuclear-level pushback for minimal political gain. Want a Tory vote stuck at 40%+ indefinitely? Then have Labour push spiteful class war policies like this one.
You could rip your shirt off your scrawny chest to reveal the smudged tartan tattooed underneath and do your full Mel Gibson routine.
Secondly, that probably tells you how good Richard Burgon was as a solicitor.
And since you want to keep children going to schools close to them I assume you're keeping catchment areas.
So therefore the richest parents will be able to buy their way into the best schools via buying a home in the catchment area.
Great job! Your ambition of having great schools for everyone is one I share, just strip away the envy.
I favour maximising diversity and choice in the education sector, because it’s by that mechanism that we encourage innovation and flexibility so we can raise overall education standards for the maximum number of child as high as possible as broadly as possible.
In any case vouchers are now more in favour from Sweden to the US to allow real choice not one size fits all
How much of today’s announcement is an actual order for actual vehicles, and how much is investment by UPS to get the tech to market?
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/01/21/hyundai-kia-invest-in-uk-electric-van-maker-arrival/
Hmmm..... I like and collect art. Son has a History of Art degree. So free advice on tap, as it were.
Critically, I know what makes a good cup of coffee and what doesn’t.
Finally, my chance to make a difference ....... 😊
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51311862
The other issue is more fundamental: how can you ban people paying for education? The often quoted figure of 7% is a huge underestimate of the proportion of the population that pay for some education; there are private tutors, after school groups, revision courses, and so on. This will not stop just because you shut down Eton.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51313481
One doesn’t half wonder if this is all carefully choreographed sometimes.
It very probably is.
You also seem to assume that everyone else has the same definition of unfair advantage as you do.
You’ve spent 16 minutes sweating over several redrafts of that “put down” on your notepad before responding.
I’d have spent a bit longer on it myself.
"Nandy quips: “Sorry, this is the worst backstory… I know I was meant to say ‘I was born into abject poverty and held myself up by my bootstraps’.” "
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/lisa-nandy-labour-leadership-brexit-piers-morgan-a4348971.html
However if you are a bright pupil of modest parental means you may be able to get a scholarship or bursary to Eton which really could change your life