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edited January 2020 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Long-Bailey gets boost in the Corbyn successor betting after the NEC announce the contest rules

We’ve now got the timetable for the LAB leadership election and already critics are saying that the party’s NEC is making it easier for Rebecca Long Bailey. This is from HuffPost’s, Paul Waugh.

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  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Think a Starmer-Jess dream ticket is probably the way forward for Labour. Not sure Rebecca makes the ballot given the in-fighting on the left wing of the party re: boosterising the bully boy Lavery.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Richard N’s post on the earlier thread is spot on. Opportunity knocks for Labour - IF they get this hire right. Big if.
  • TheGreenMachineTheGreenMachine Posts: 1,097
    I wouldn't say Keir is 52%.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,336
    Anyone got any views about whether BF`s 14 about Nandy is value?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Anabobazina said:

    Richard N’s post on the earlier thread is spot on. Opportunity knocks for Labour - IF they get this hire right. Big if.

    They need to get the hire right and the hire needs too purge the loony left. Spartan if.
  • TheGreenMachineTheGreenMachine Posts: 1,097
    Stocky said:

    Anyone got any views about whether BF`s 14 about Nandy is value?

    Personally I think it's between Keir and Rebecca.

    The rest are just made up random numbers.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    If Labour were as democratic as they like to pretend they would make the ballot open to anyone that cares over the age of 18 with no fee required.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,043
    fpt

    The difficulty Lab had at 10.01pm on May 7th 2015 was what did Lab offer that the Cons didn't as they were within a gnat's crochet of each other around the centre of British politics. And there followed with several Ed-type centre leftists and...The Jezziah!

    Well he was different, but we saw what the British public thought of that. The question remains, however: what is, or should be the difference between the Cons and Lab. Take Brexit out (which is not a left/right issue) and the answer lies in how much people think the Cons have moved to the right. Has it done so? Perhaps. We shall see how Dom and the ERG shape up. If so there is merit in having a sensible centre left type, eg Starmer in charge of Lab.

    If not, then I don't think it matters and the Party might well elect a Corbyn-lite candidate because otherwise what is the line to differentiate themselves.
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,418
    edited January 2020
    A long way to go, obviously, but if Starmer does win, who do people reckon he'll appoint as Shadow Chancellor? Given the circumstances, its probably going to have to be a woman, and should ideally be someone with an actual background in economics. Rachel Reeves, maybe? She'd certainly be an excellent choice, though it'd piss off the Corbynites.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,717
    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1214226566684774400
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,717
    RandallFlagg said:

    A long way to go, obviously, but if Starmer does win, who do people reckon he'll appoint as Shadow Chancellor? Given the circumstances, its probably going to have to be a woman, and should ideally be someone with an actual background in economics. Rachel Reeves, maybe? She'd certainly be an excellent choice, though it'd piss of the Corbynites.

    Burgon.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,192
    It hasn't been the most auspicious start to the year for Boris - what with Dom's recruitment silliness and Trump's starting WW3. But Boris can probably revive the magic on Brexit Day in a few weeks' time. But he'll want to keep that party rolling till 2024.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,855
    TOPPING said:

    fpt

    The difficulty Lab had at 10.01pm on May 7th 2015 was what did Lab offer that the Cons didn't as they were within a gnat's crochet of each other around the centre of British politics. And there followed with several Ed-type centre leftists and...The Jezziah!

    Well he was different, but we saw what the British public thought of that. The question remains, however: what is, or should be the difference between the Cons and Lab. Take Brexit out (which is not a left/right issue) and the answer lies in how much people think the Cons have moved to the right. Has it done so? Perhaps. We shall see how Dom and the ERG shape up. If so there is merit in having a sensible centre left type, eg Starmer in charge of Lab.

    If not, then I don't think it matters and the Party might well elect a Corbyn-lite candidate because otherwise what is the line to differentiate themselves.

    Johnson's government will live or die by the success or otherwise of Brexit. Whoever wins the Labour leadership election is at the mercy of Johnson's fortune. Ian Lavery excepted.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited January 2020
    Some observations on the process:

    1. I would guess that around five candidates could get past the first hurdle of 10% (i..e. 22) MPs/MEPs.

    2. However the second-stage hurdle of the CLPs and affiliates changes the dynamic in an interesting way: under the old rules, there wasn't much of a disincentive for MPs to back multiple candidates who fished in the same pond, because the AV system in the final vote meant that support could be expected to transfer between similarly-positioned candidates. This time it is different: candidates with similar appeal may knock each other out at the CLP hurdle unless they have the backing of the big unions.

    3. Therefore it is hugely important that MPs do the initial pre-selection to ensure that there aren't too many candidates fishing in the same ponds. Will they take this on board? If they do, the field might thin out very rapidly.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-02/nine-states-face-economic-contraction-most-since-2009-crisis
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Thank you to whoever tipped pre-Xmas that the Corbyn exit date would be after March - nice one !
  • ExiledInScotlandExiledInScotland Posts: 1,540
    edited January 2020
    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidates so far who get my attention are Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous.

    Edit: corrected typos due to my mild dyslexia
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,855
    rottenborough said:

    RandallFlagg said:

    A long way to go, obviously, but if Starmer does win, who do people reckon he'll appoint as Shadow Chancellor? Given the circumstances, its probably going to have to be a woman, and should ideally be someone with an actual background in economics. Rachel Reeves, maybe? She'd certainly be an excellent choice, though it'd piss of the Corbynites.

    Burgon.
    Nah, leadership material...in some dystopian nightmare.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,800
    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1214226566684774400

    And yet RLB hasn't officially declared yet....

    This is starting to look strange.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,800
    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidate so far who get my attention Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous

    That leaves???

    The only game changer I can see is McDonnell. If he enters the race, then the dynamics of the entire situation are different.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,043
    Mexicanpete said:

    TOPPING said:

    fpt

    The difficulty Lab had at 10.01pm on May 7th 2015 was what did Lab offer that the Cons didn't as they were within a gnat's crochet of each other around the centre of British politics. And there followed with several Ed-type centre leftists and...The Jezziah!

    Well he was different, but we saw what the British public thought of that. The question remains, however: what is, or should be the difference between the Cons and Lab. Take Brexit out (which is not a left/right issue) and the answer lies in how much people think the Cons have moved to the right. Has it done so? Perhaps. We shall see how Dom and the ERG shape up. If so there is merit in having a sensible centre left type, eg Starmer in charge of Lab.

    If not, then I don't think it matters and the Party might well elect a Corbyn-lite candidate because otherwise what is the line to differentiate themselves.

    Johnson's government will live or die by the success or otherwise of Brexit. Whoever wins the Labour leadership election is at the mercy of Johnson's fortune. Ian Lavery excepted.
    Praps. Will people notice one way or another? My estimation of Brexit is that it will be a 2p on beer and fags experience. Everyone poorer but nothing that will have people marching in the streets.

    There will be some cobbled together trade deal in time for the deadline this year which will sap peoples' attention further from an already diminished level (I bet a large number of people think that by Johnson winning the election, Brexit was done). Then there will be some nitty gritty terms of trade to go through over the subsequent years and by that time no one will care and there will be enough "wins" to announce at the right time for Cons' momentum to be renewed.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,336
    TGOHF666 said:

    Thank you to whoever tipped pre-Xmas that the Corbyn exit date would be after March - nice one !

    I take a bow
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,603
    TOPPING said:

    fpt

    The difficulty Lab had at 10.01pm on May 7th 2015 was what did Lab offer that the Cons didn't as they were within a gnat's crochet of each other around the centre of British politics. And there followed with several Ed-type centre leftists and...The Jezziah!

    Well he was different, but we saw what the British public thought of that. The question remains, however: what is, or should be the difference between the Cons and Lab. Take Brexit out (which is not a left/right issue) and the answer lies in how much people think the Cons have moved to the right. Has it done so? Perhaps. We shall see how Dom and the ERG shape up. If so there is merit in having a sensible centre left type, eg Starmer in charge of Lab.

    If not, then I don't think it matters and the Party might well elect a Corbyn-lite candidate because otherwise what is the line to differentiate themselves.

    I think you have missed two crucial points and many non-tribal Conservatives have missed one of them.

    First is that in the 2017 election, Corbyn was popular. Second is that even leaving aside Brexit, Boris's Conservatives are the polar opposite of David Cameron's on two other key dimensions.

    Cameron governments: socially liberal and fiscally conservative.
    Now (and thanks to Dom): socially conservative and fiscally loose.

    So what is it that Labour must oppose? I suppose we shall find out in due course but for the leadership race, an answer is needed rather sooner. It is even harder for LibDems who must differentiate themselves from both the main parties.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,855
    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidates so far who get my attention are Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous.

    Edit: corrected typos due to my mild dyslexia

    If Jon Lansmann wants another shot at a full hundred seat majority landslide for Boris, which he only just failed to achieve on December 12th, he must push for a continuity Corbyn candidate. If he would like to see a Labour government he would be best served by keeping quiet.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidates so far who get my attention are Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous.

    Edit: corrected typos due to my mild dyslexia

    Hmm. So your tip would be... who?
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,336
    Mexicanpete said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidates so far who get my attention are Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous.

    Edit: corrected typos due to my mild dyslexia

    If Jon Lansmann wants another shot at a full hundred seat majority landslide for Boris, which he only just failed to achieve on December 12th, he must push for a continuity Corbyn candidate. If he would like to see a Labour government he would be best served by keeping quiet.
    Lansmann only failed to achieve it by virtue of his pals The Brexit Party.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,603
    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidates so far who get my attention are Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous.

    Edit: corrected typos due to my mild dyslexia

    Be careful here. Momentum has not waited decades for anything. It was only founded in 2015 as a sort of Jeremy Corbyn fan club. I suspect (dyor here!) many or even most of its members are not old tankies at all.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,336
    edited January 2020
    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidates so far who get my attention are Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous.

    Edit: corrected typos due to my mild dyslexia

    Long Bailey is ridiculous and Phillips (the dinner lady) is OK?
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,705
    edited January 2020
    Slackbladder said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidate so far who get my attention Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous

    That leaves???

    The only game changer I can see is McDonnell. If he enters the race, then the dynamics of the entire situation are different.
    I don't think he will, but I (or at least my wallet) would love it if he won.

    The optimist in me hopes that maybe the RLB delay in declaration is due to discussions to place Mcdonell as leader and RLB deputy for a period while she gains profile and experience so that when he resigns in her favour she is ready for the gig....

    Edit to add that John McD is probably the best media performer on the Left.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,095
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidates so far who get my attention are Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous.

    Edit: corrected typos due to my mild dyslexia

    Be careful here. Momentum has not waited decades for anything. It was only founded in 2015 as a sort of Jeremy Corbyn fan club. I suspect (dyor here!) many or even most of its members are not old tankies at all.
    Those who direct it and inspire it are though, which is surely relevant.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,855
    Stocky said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidates so far who get my attention are Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous.

    Edit: corrected typos due to my mild dyslexia

    If Jon Lansmann wants another shot at a full hundred seat majority landslide for Boris, which he only just failed to achieve on December 12th, he must push for a continuity Corbyn candidate. If he would like to see a Labour government he would be best served by keeping quiet.
    Lansmann only failed to achieve it by virtue of his pals The Brexit Party.
    Very true.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    philiph said:

    Slackbladder said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidate so far who get my attention Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous

    That leaves???

    The only game changer I can see is McDonnell. If he enters the race, then the dynamics of the entire situation are different.
    I don't think he will, but I (or at least my wallet) would love it if he won.

    The optimist in me hopes that maybe the RLB delay in declaration is due to discussions to place Mcdonell as leader and RLB deputy for a period while she gains profile and experience so that when he resigns in her favour she is ready for the gig....

    Edit to add that John McD is probably the best media performer on the Left.
    Lord help us.
  • novanova Posts: 855
    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidates so far who get my attention are Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous.

    Edit: corrected typos due to my mild dyslexia

    As I mentioned in an earlier post, the current leadership and momentum are not necessarily campaigning for the same candidate.

    Momentum appear to be favouring RLB, but there's a big push from somewhere for Ian Lavery - and that appears to be coming from Unite and others in the leader's team. There were outriders over the last few days pushing Lavery, and against Starmer/Phillips, but they are also now coming out against RLB and John Lansman specifically.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,095
    Mexicanpete said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidates so far who get my attention are Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous.

    Edit: corrected typos due to my mild dyslexia

    If Jon Lansmann wants another shot at a full hundred seat majority landslide for Boris, which he only just failed to achieve on December 12th
    He might actually want that, without realising it. It would mean that in Boris a new Thatcher figure would emerge to inspire such long hatred, and that hatred seems most important to his acolytes.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    YC now 50/1
    Thornberry 100/1
    He’s Philips 20/1

    Women on the rise - price wise...
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited January 2020
    philiph said:

    Slackbladder said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidate so far who get my attention Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous

    That leaves???

    The only game changer I can see is McDonnell. If he enters the race, then the dynamics of the entire situation are different.
    I don't think he will, but I (or at least my wallet) would love it if he won.

    The optimist in me hopes that maybe the RLB delay in declaration is due to discussions to place Mcdonell as leader and RLB deputy for a period while she gains profile and experience so that when he resigns in her favour she is ready for the gig....

    Edit to add that John McD is probably the best media performer on the Left.
    My gut is telling me that RLB really does not want to run, but has had pressure heaped upon her to do so. The Lavery ramping from the SWP wing has shaken her enough to dig her heels in.
  • novanova Posts: 855
    philiph said:

    The optimist in me hopes that maybe the RLB delay in declaration is due to discussions to place Mcdonell as leader and RLB deputy

    It looks to me like the delay is because she's not got the support of all the main players on the left.

  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,744
    This inbuilt advantage stuff is pretty thin as far as I can see. Momentum are something like 10% of the membership? And they won't vote as a bloc anyway.

    I watched Starmers video and was impressed. More generally, I think the standard of candidates is much higher this time than in 2015, when it was SpAds vs Corbyn.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,855
    kle4 said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidates so far who get my attention are Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous.

    Edit: corrected typos due to my mild dyslexia

    If Jon Lansmann wants another shot at a full hundred seat majority landslide for Boris, which he only just failed to achieve on December 12th
    He might actually want that, without realising it. It would mean that in Boris a new Thatcher figure would emerge to inspire such long hatred, and that hatred seems most important to his acolytes.
    Quite possibly. He will be too old to enjoy the revolution when it finally arrives though.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,855
    rkrkrk said:

    This inbuilt advantage stuff is pretty thin as far as I can see. Momentum are something like 10% of the membership? And they won't vote as a bloc anyway.

    I watched Starmers video and was impressed. More generally, I think the standard of candidates is much higher this time than in 2015, when it was SpAds vs Corbyn.

    It wasn't the Piers Morgan/Starmer video then.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,705
    Anorak said:

    philiph said:

    Slackbladder said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidate so far who get my attention Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous

    That leaves???

    The only game changer I can see is McDonnell. If he enters the race, then the dynamics of the entire situation are different.
    I don't think he will, but I (or at least my wallet) would love it if he won.

    The optimist in me hopes that maybe the RLB delay in declaration is due to discussions to place Mcdonell as leader and RLB deputy for a period while she gains profile and experience so that when he resigns in her favour she is ready for the gig....

    Edit to add that John McD is probably the best media performer on the Left.
    My gut is telling me that RLB really does not want to run, but has had pressure heaped upon her to do so. The Lavery ramping from the SWP wing has shaken her enough to dig her heels in.
    I'm sure you are right. It looks like there is a deep seated reason for non declaration. I don't believe there is a massive campaign in the dark and shadowy background, as that would almost certainly leaked by now.

    Does not want to run, or does not want to run at this time? I think anyone sane would not want to run.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,158
    Is it fair to say the Starmer fans seem to be those who thought the Lib Dems were the ones to be with at the last GE?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,217
    edited January 2020
    philiph said:

    Anorak said:

    philiph said:

    Slackbladder said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidate so far who get my attention Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous

    That leaves???

    The only game changer I can see is McDonnell. If he enters the race, then the dynamics of the entire situation are different.
    I don't think he will, but I (or at least my wallet) would love it if he won.

    The optimist in me hopes that maybe the RLB delay in declaration is due to discussions to place Mcdonell as leader and RLB deputy for a period while she gains profile and experience so that when he resigns in her favour she is ready for the gig....

    Edit to add that John McD is probably the best media performer on the Left.
    My gut is telling me that RLB really does not want to run, but has had pressure heaped upon her to do so. The Lavery ramping from the SWP wing has shaken her enough to dig her heels in.
    I'm sure you are right. It looks like there is a deep seated reason for non declaration. I don't believe there is a massive campaign in the dark and shadowy background, as that would almost certainly leaked by now.

    Does not want to run, or does not want to run at this time? I think anyone sane would not want to run.
    Aware of her own capabilities? This era gets more like the English Civil War by the day.
  • TheGreenMachineTheGreenMachine Posts: 1,097
    TGOHF666 said:

    YC now 50/1
    Thornberry 100/1
    He’s Philips 20/1

    Women on the rise - price wise...

    Save your money.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Yvette Cooper confirms she's not standing:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/06/yvette-cooper-seven-things-labour-must-do-party-leader
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,855
    philiph said:

    Anorak said:

    philiph said:

    Slackbladder said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidate so far who get my attention Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous

    That leaves???

    The only game changer I can see is McDonnell. If he enters the race, then the dynamics of the entire situation are different.
    I don't think he will, but I (or at least my wallet) would love it if he won.

    The optimist in me hopes that maybe the RLB delay in declaration is due to discussions to place Mcdonell as leader and RLB deputy for a period while she gains profile and experience so that when he resigns in her favour she is ready for the gig....

    Edit to add that John McD is probably the best media performer on the Left.
    My gut is telling me that RLB really does not want to run, but has had pressure heaped upon her to do so. The Lavery ramping from the SWP wing has shaken her enough to dig her heels in.
    I'm sure you are right. It looks like there is a deep seated reason for non declaration. I don't believe there is a massive campaign in the dark and shadowy background, as that would almost certainly leaked by now.

    Does not want to run, or does not want to run at this time? I think anyone sane would not want to run.
    Why not? You are assuming Boris' invincibility. He may not be invincible and someone non-conservative and sensible could become PM.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,114
    Stocky said:

    Anyone got any views about whether BF`s 14 about Nandy is value?

    Yes, I do. It's value IMO and I'm on. Soft Left, good on TV, relatable, Brexit proof, woman.

    Wed night I'm going to a party meeting about all this so on Thursday I should be brimming with further insight and scuttlebutt.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,855
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Yvette Cooper confirms she's not standing:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/06/yvette-cooper-seven-things-labour-must-do-party-leader

    Yvette who? She was the future once!
  • TheGreenMachineTheGreenMachine Posts: 1,097
    Is anyone tempted by 5-1 on Leeds to win tonight's F.A cup match?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,686
    Well this is positive news. Can’t say I’m holding my breath though.

    https://twitter.com/chroniclelive/status/1214238448946745351?s=21
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,095
    Mexicanpete said:

    kle4 said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidates so far who get my attention are Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous.

    Edit: corrected typos due to my mild dyslexia

    If Jon Lansmann wants another shot at a full hundred seat majority landslide for Boris, which he only just failed to achieve on December 12th
    He might actually want that, without realising it. It would mean that in Boris a new Thatcher figure would emerge to inspire such long hatred, and that hatred seems most important to his acolytes.
    Quite possibly. He will be too old to enjoy the revolution when it finally arrives though.
    Revolutions often disappoint. He likely knows that.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,336
    edited January 2020
    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    Anyone got any views about whether BF`s 14 about Nandy is value?

    Yes, I do. It's value IMO and I'm on. Soft Left, good on TV, relatable, Brexit proof, woman.

    Wed night I'm going to a party meeting about all this so on Thursday I should be brimming with further insight and scuttlebutt.
    Edit
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,855
    TheGreenMachine said:

    Is anyone tempted by 5-1 on Leeds to win tonight's F.A cup match?

    That looks like good value.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,809
    edited January 2020
    Answer to Quiz on previous thread:

    Q: Three surnames to cover every US GE 1952 to 2004, EXCEPT ONE.

    @rcs1000 got the 3rd name (Dole). Nobody got the missing year.

    Answer: Nixon, Dole, Bush.

    Only GE missing: 1964

    Nixon - 52, 56, 60, 68, 72

    Dole - 76, 96

    Bush - 80, 84, 88, 92, 2000, 04

    Clever how Dole fills two gaps, leaving 1964 as the only year not covered.
  • TheGreenMachineTheGreenMachine Posts: 1,097
    Mexicanpete said:

    TheGreenMachine said:

    Is anyone tempted by 5-1 on Leeds to win tonight's F.A cup match?

    That looks like good value.
    Yes, arsenal are playing their reserve team.

    Leeds +2 goals 4-6
    Leeds +3 goals 1-4
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,783
    isam said:

    Is it fair to say the Starmer fans seem to be those who thought the Lib Dems were the ones to be with at the last GE?

    Not in my case.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,855
    kle4 said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    kle4 said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidates so far who get my attention are Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous.

    Edit: corrected typos due to my mild dyslexia

    If Jon Lansmann wants another shot at a full hundred seat majority landslide for Boris, which he only just failed to achieve on December 12th
    He might actually want that, without realising it. It would mean that in Boris a new Thatcher figure would emerge to inspire such long hatred, and that hatred seems most important to his acolytes.
    Quite possibly. He will be too old to enjoy the revolution when it finally arrives though.
    Revolutions often disappoint. He likely knows that.
    One would have thought that was a salutary lesson he learned last month, although it was probably down to the corrupt forces of capitalism, so he might as well try again.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,217
    Gallowgate said:

    Well this is positive news. Can’t say I’m holding my breath though.

    https://twitter.com/chroniclelive/status/1214238448946745351?s=21

    Wonder what promises he can make about Nissan!
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,783
    MikeL said:

    Answer to Quiz on previous thread:

    Q: Three surnames to cover every US GE 1952 to 2004, EXCEPT ONE.

    @rcs1000 got the 3rd name (Dole). Nobody got the missing year.

    Answer: Nixon, Dole, Bush.

    Only GE missing: 1964

    Nixon - 52, 56, 60, 68, 72

    Dole - 76, 96

    Bush - 80, 84, 88, 92, 2000, 04

    Clever how Dole fills two gaps, leaving 1964 as the only year not covered.

    Cheers. The "or Dem" reference was a red herring then!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,855
    TheGreenMachine said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    TheGreenMachine said:

    Is anyone tempted by 5-1 on Leeds to win tonight's F.A cup match?

    That looks like good value.
    Yes, arsenal are playing their reserve team.

    Leeds +2 goals 4-6
    Leeds +3 goals 1-4
    Being a Baggie, I would like to see Leeds get caught up in a really, really long cup run.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,114
    Mexicanpete said:

    Why not? You are assuming Boris' invincibility. He may not be invincible and someone non-conservative and sensible could become PM.

    Indeed. The Opposition Leader is one step from being PM and this is a deeply unpredictable world.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,705
    TheGreenMachine said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    TheGreenMachine said:

    Is anyone tempted by 5-1 on Leeds to win tonight's F.A cup match?

    That looks like good value.
    Yes, arsenal are playing their reserve team.

    Leeds +2 goals 4-6
    Leeds +3 goals 1-4
    How will you know the difference?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,855
    kinabalu said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Why not? You are assuming Boris' invincibility. He may not be invincible and someone non-conservative and sensible could become PM.

    Indeed. The Opposition Leader is one step from being PM and this is a deeply unpredictable world.
    Unless your name is Jeremy Corbyn or Ian Lavery.
  • TheGreenMachineTheGreenMachine Posts: 1,097
    Mexicanpete said:

    TheGreenMachine said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    TheGreenMachine said:

    Is anyone tempted by 5-1 on Leeds to win tonight's F.A cup match?

    That looks like good value.
    Yes, arsenal are playing their reserve team.

    Leeds +2 goals 4-6
    Leeds +3 goals 1-4
    Being a Baggie, I would like to see Leeds get caught up in a really, really long cup run.
    There you are now.

    West Brom are playing well under a great manager.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,809
    Wulfrun_Phil said:

    MikeL said:

    Answer to Quiz on previous thread:

    Q: Three surnames to cover every US GE 1952 to 2004, EXCEPT ONE.

    @rcs1000 got the 3rd name (Dole). Nobody got the missing year.

    Answer: Nixon, Dole, Bush.

    Only GE missing: 1964

    Nixon - 52, 56, 60, 68, 72

    Dole - 76, 96

    Bush - 80, 84, 88, 92, 2000, 04

    Clever how Dole fills two gaps, leaving 1964 as the only year not covered.

    Cheers. The "or Dem" reference was a red herring then!
    Yes - should be too easy if say Republican!

    Though even then nobody thinks of Dole - especially as there is a 20 year gap between his (only) two appearances. I wonder if that is itself a record?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,668
    Alistair said:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-02/nine-states-face-economic-contraction-most-since-2009-crisis

    Of those, the one that must worry President Trump is Pennsylvania. It has 20 electoral college votes, and went Trump by just 0.8%.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,855
    TheGreenMachine said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    TheGreenMachine said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    TheGreenMachine said:

    Is anyone tempted by 5-1 on Leeds to win tonight's F.A cup match?

    That looks like good value.
    Yes, arsenal are playing their reserve team.

    Leeds +2 goals 4-6
    Leeds +3 goals 1-4
    Being a Baggie, I would like to see Leeds get caught up in a really, really long cup run.
    There you are now.

    West Brom are playing well under a great manager.
    Christmas results were as usual disastrous.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,783
    philiph said:

    Slackbladder said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    The current leadership and Momentum have waited decades for their hard left faction to hold the levers of power within Labour. They will not admit failure and walk away. They are more for purity than winning. They will mobilise for their chosen candidate rather than accept a leader who can attract swing voters. The only candidate so far who get my attention Nandy and Phillips. I think Starmer too tied to the Brexit-denialism of the old parliament and Long Bailey to be ridiculous

    That leaves???

    The only game changer I can see is McDonnell. If he enters the race, then the dynamics of the entire situation are different.
    I don't think he will, but I (or at least my wallet) would love it if he won.

    The optimist in me hopes that maybe the RLB delay in declaration is due to discussions to place Mcdonell as leader and RLB deputy for a period while she gains profile and experience so that when he resigns in her favour she is ready for the gig....

    Edit to add that John McD is probably the best media performer on the Left.
    The very person who went on the record on 13th December accepting full responsibility for Labour's most disasterous election result since 1983. Should his reward for failure really be that he becomes de jure as well as de facto leader?
  • TheGreenMachineTheGreenMachine Posts: 1,097
    philiph said:

    TheGreenMachine said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    TheGreenMachine said:

    Is anyone tempted by 5-1 on Leeds to win tonight's F.A cup match?

    That looks like good value.
    Yes, arsenal are playing their reserve team.

    Leeds +2 goals 4-6
    Leeds +3 goals 1-4
    How will you know the difference?
    Don't you know what way handicap betting works?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,114
    Mexicanpete said:

    Unless your name is Jeremy Corbyn or Ian Lavery.

    Jez came close in 2017. Indeed he went odds on in-running at one point on election night. As for Lavery, no way will he be Labour leader IMO but if he did win this contest - well then, yes, massive recession under "Boris" plus constant sleazy scandal, and the Lav would have a decent shot at PM.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,705
    TheGreenMachine said:

    philiph said:

    TheGreenMachine said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    TheGreenMachine said:

    Is anyone tempted by 5-1 on Leeds to win tonight's F.A cup match?

    That looks like good value.
    Yes, arsenal are playing their reserve team.

    Leeds +2 goals 4-6
    Leeds +3 goals 1-4
    How will you know the difference?
    Don't you know what way handicap betting works?
    It was a sarcastic comment on the poor quality of arsenal 1st team.

    I would love an explanation of handicap betting, thanks.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,855
    kinabalu said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Unless your name is Jeremy Corbyn or Ian Lavery.

    Jez came close in 2017. Indeed he went odds on in-running at one point on election night. As for Lavery, no way will he be Labour leader IMO but if he did win this contest - well then, yes, massive recession under "Boris" plus constant sleazy scandal, and the Lav would have a decent shot at PM.
    Boris could be filmed eating live kittens and he would still win a landslide against Lavery.
  • TheGreenMachineTheGreenMachine Posts: 1,097


    It's only goal difference but West Brom surely will get top two?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,855
    TheGreenMachine said:



    It's only goal difference but West Brom surely will get top two?

    I would like to think so, but they have shipped a truck load of points up to Yorkshire in the last two weeks.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,114
    Stocky said:

    Edit

    I was just about to reply to that. Now it's gone. Strangely poignant.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,957
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    If Labour were as democratic as they like to pretend they would make the ballot open to anyone that cares over the age of 18 with no fee required.

    I thought they were in favour of votes for 16 year olds?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,855
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    If Labour were as democratic as they like to pretend they would make the ballot open to anyone that cares over the age of 18 with no fee required.

    That was Ed's big idea. All the PB Tories paid their £3 and duly elected Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister in waiting.

    That went very well for Conservative supporters but not so much for the rest of us.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-02/nine-states-face-economic-contraction-most-since-2009-crisis

    Of those, the one that must worry President Trump is Pennsylvania. It has 20 electoral college votes, and went Trump by just 0.8%.
    An instructive state for my, its all about Differential turnout, hypothesis.

    Trump improved the Republican score by 1.59 percentage points
    Clinton dropped the Dem vote by 4.51 percentage points
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,043
    Mexicanpete said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    If Labour were as democratic as they like to pretend they would make the ballot open to anyone that cares over the age of 18 with no fee required.

    That was Ed's big idea. All the PB Tories paid their £3 and duly elected Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister in waiting.

    That went very well for Conservative supporters but not so much for the rest of us.
    Yes. The biggest win of recent political times aside from Nigel and the ERG was the three quidders. Directly contributed to a Cons govt for the foreseeable future.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,809
    Suppose the current SA/Eng Test was 4 days - it would have been a bore draw.

    Instead with 5 days it's a cracking match with an almost certain result.

    It is surely blindingly obvious that a huge increase in the number of draws will not be good for Test cricket. Indeed it will likely kill it.
  • NorthernPowerhouseNorthernPowerhouse Posts: 557
    edited January 2020
    Gallowgate said:

    Well this is positive news. Can’t say I’m holding my breath though.

    https://twitter.com/chroniclelive/status/1214238448946745351?s=21

    And here is what we used to refer to as "the red wall", it is rumoured that this area was once dominated by Labour MPs, but once is was weakened it collapsed entirely.

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Gallowgate said:

    Well this is positive news. Can’t say I’m holding my breath though.

    https://twitter.com/chroniclelive/status/1214238448946745351?s=21

    Shrapps is right to reject devolution to the utterly nonsensical “North of Tyne” mayor. The mayoralty should be Greater Newcastle.

    Then build a metro extension to the SW of the city region - Winlaton, Blaydon, Swalwell etc - which are effectively cut off from the city centre by crappy bus services.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,809
    kinabalu said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Unless your name is Jeremy Corbyn or Ian Lavery.

    Jez came close in 2017. Indeed he went odds on in-running at one point on election night. As for Lavery, no way will he be Labour leader IMO but if he did win this contest - well then, yes, massive recession under "Boris" plus constant sleazy scandal, and the Lav would have a decent shot at PM.
    This site is wonderful - when the history books are written re how close Corbyn came to becoming PM I wonder if they'll say "he went odds on in-running"?

    They should say it - it's easy to look back and laugh now but just think - at one point "he was odds on in-running" - how scary is that?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,686
    Anabobazina said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Well this is positive news. Can’t say I’m holding my breath though.

    https://twitter.com/chroniclelive/status/1214238448946745351?s=21

    Shrapps is right to reject devolution to the utterly nonsensical “North of Tyne” mayor. The mayoralty should be Greater Newcastle.

    Then build a metro extension to the SW of the city region - Winlaton, Blaydon, Swalwell etc - which are effectively cut off from the city centre by crappy bus services.
    Gateshead and South Tyneside were supposed to be part of it but the small-minded councilors decided they didn’t want to.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,702
    https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/1214240399939788800
    https://twitter.com/RossFootball/status/1214252964333813760
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,702
    edited January 2020
    So the results are announced on the 4th of April, the same day as the Grand National, I wonder if we can get an accumulator going.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    NorthernPowerhouse said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Well this is positive news. Can’t say I’m holding my breath though.

    https://twitter.com/chroniclelive/status/1214238448946745351?s=21

    And here is what we used to refer to as "the red wall", it is rumoured that this area was once dominated by Labour MPs, but once is was weakened it collapsed entirely.

    Don’t give up the day job.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Gallowgate said:

    Anabobazina said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Well this is positive news. Can’t say I’m holding my breath though.

    https://twitter.com/chroniclelive/status/1214238448946745351?s=21

    Shrapps is right to reject devolution to the utterly nonsensical “North of Tyne” mayor. The mayoralty should be Greater Newcastle.

    Then build a metro extension to the SW of the city region - Winlaton, Blaydon, Swalwell etc - which are effectively cut off from the city centre by crappy bus services.
    Gateshead and South Tyneside were supposed to be part of it but the small-minded councilors decided they didn’t want to.
    It shouldn’t be up to those losers. It should have been imposed.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,855
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/1214240399939788800
    https://twitter.com/RossFootball/status/1214252964333813760

    Another reason not to like Burgon.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,157
    MikeL said:

    Suppose the current SA/Eng Test was 4 days - it would have been a bore draw.

    Instead with 5 days it's a cracking match with an almost certain result.

    It is surely blindingly obvious that a huge increase in the number of draws will not be good for Test cricket. Indeed it will likely kill it.

    Yes it would.

    I’m just surprised you think it’s a flaw in the plan rather than the essential core of it.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,158
    TheGreenMachine said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    TheGreenMachine said:

    Is anyone tempted by 5-1 on Leeds to win tonight's F.A cup match?

    That looks like good value.
    Yes, arsenal are playing their reserve team.

    Leeds +2 goals 4-6
    Leeds +3 goals 1-4
    So are Leeds
  • NorthernPowerhouseNorthernPowerhouse Posts: 557
    Anabobazina said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Anabobazina said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Well this is positive news. Can’t say I’m holding my breath though.

    https://twitter.com/chroniclelive/status/1214238448946745351?s=21

    Shrapps is right to reject devolution to the utterly nonsensical “North of Tyne” mayor. The mayoralty should be Greater Newcastle.

    Then build a metro extension to the SW of the city region - Winlaton, Blaydon, Swalwell etc - which are effectively cut off from the city centre by crappy bus services.
    Gateshead and South Tyneside were supposed to be part of it but the small-minded councilors decided they didn’t want to.
    It shouldn’t be up to those losers. It should have been imposed.
    It's quite remarkable just how destructive and resistant councillors can be to something shakes up a cosy system. A weak government cant be bold in the face of resistance. Now they can just do it!
  • isamisam Posts: 42,158
    Wulfrun_Phil said:

    isam said:

    Is it fair to say the Starmer fans seem to be those who thought the Lib Dems were the ones to be with at the last GE?

    Not in my case.
    I think there are plenty though. People who didn’t want Brexit, hate Boris and Corbyn, loved ChangeUK, TIG etc and think there are lots of voters like them out there if only they can get the right salesperson. But maybe there just isn’t really a market for it outside of the political bubble
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,828
    The Democratic primaries will be effectively wrapped up quicker than the Labour leadership race it seems
  • partypoliticalorphanpartypoliticalorphan Posts: 394
    edited January 2020
    Stocky said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Thank you to whoever tipped pre-Xmas that the Corbyn exit date would be after March - nice one !

    I take a bow
    Thanks Stocky. My winnings more than balance my loss on Angela Rayner for Leader.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,828
    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-02/nine-states-face-economic-contraction-most-since-2009-crisis

    Of those, the one that must worry President Trump is Pennsylvania. It has 20 electoral college votes, and went Trump by just 0.8%.
    Note Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida and Iowa and Virginia are not included though
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited January 2020
    MikeL said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Unless your name is Jeremy Corbyn or Ian Lavery.

    Jez came close in 2017. Indeed he went odds on in-running at one point on election night. As for Lavery, no way will he be Labour leader IMO but if he did win this contest - well then, yes, massive recession under "Boris" plus constant sleazy scandal, and the Lav would have a decent shot at PM.
    This site is wonderful - when the history books are written re how close Corbyn came to becoming PM I wonder if they'll say "he went odds on in-running"?

    They should say it - it's easy to look back and laugh now but just think - at one point "he was odds on in-running" - how scary is that?
    It's the main reason why Labour shouldn't be trusted with government again until the entire far-left apparatus has been purged...

    More amusingly, history should also record that Corbynism's best electoral performance produced almost exactly the same seat totals as New Labour's worst electoral defeat :wink:
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,090
    partypoliticalorphan said:

    Stocky said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Thank you to whoever tipped pre-Xmas that the Corbyn exit date would be after March - nice one !

    I take a bow
    Thanks Stocky. My winnings more than balance my loss on Angela Rayner for Leader.
    Talking of the word bow, .. for years I thought Sherlock Holmes final cases were his last bow (as in his violin) not last bow as in bending in deference.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Anabobazina said:

    NorthernPowerhouse said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Well this is positive news. Can’t say I’m holding my breath though.

    https://twitter.com/chroniclelive/status/1214238448946745351?s=21

    And here is what we used to refer to as "the red wall", it is rumoured that this area was once dominated by Labour MPs, but once is was weakened it collapsed entirely.

    Don’t give up the day job.
    Sadly the Red Wall MPs had to!
  • eekeek Posts: 30,620
    Anabobazina said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Anabobazina said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Well this is positive news. Can’t say I’m holding my breath though.

    https://twitter.com/chroniclelive/status/1214238448946745351?s=21

    Shrapps is right to reject devolution to the utterly nonsensical “North of Tyne” mayor. The mayoralty should be Greater Newcastle.

    Then build a metro extension to the SW of the city region - Winlaton, Blaydon, Swalwell etc - which are effectively cut off from the city centre by crappy bus services.
    Gateshead and South Tyneside were supposed to be part of it but the small-minded councilors decided they didn’t want to.
    It shouldn’t be up to those losers. It should have been imposed.
    Not quite - Gateshead, South Tyneside, Sunderland and County Durham
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