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I guess Dan Jarvis can't run for Labour leader, since he has such a small majority. The Tory Republic of South Yorkshire.

Dura_Ace said:

The APG-71 radar in the F-14 is probably vulnerable to ECM now but in its day it was simply incredible. We could do 24 target track while scan and 6 target simultaneous engagement at up to 180km with RAP out out 600km via Hawkeye datalink. Then when we were bored with killing everyone we could go 68 wing/stage 5 AB and pull 7G+ M2.0 on the way home.

Oh God. OK, going thru them...

* "APG-71" = the name of the radar the F14 carried - the F14 can be thought of as a missile carrier for extremely-long-range air-to-air missiles, and the radar was needed to target them.
* "ECM" = electronic counter measures: a way for an opponent to survive your oh-so fancy-dan missiles and radar
* "24 target track while scan and 6 target simultaneous engagement at up to 180km" = you can track 24 opponents and fight six whilst they are very far away and can't attack you back.
* "out 600km via Hawkeye datalink" = in fact, you could do it at even longer distances if you were given info from a supporting aircraft
* "68 wing/stage 5 AB" = the F14 had swing wings (the wings can move back-and-forth) and an afterburner (a way of injecting and igniting fuel into the exhaust for additional thrust). By sweeping the wings back 68 degrees and using the afterburner to its maximum extent you could make an already fast aircraft go very very fast...
* "pull 7G+ M2.0 on the way home." = ...in fact you could travel at twice the speed of sound at the cost of enduring g-force that could force your guts out your bottom...

So. you could be flying over London, shoot down six aircraft flying over Edinburgh who can't even see you, then land in Berlin within the hour at the cost of pooing your pants if you don't clench fast enough.

Nice day at the office...

[ps what's "RAP"?]

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/BenKentish/status/1213403145075937280

As he said multiple times on Mastermind...PASS...

RobD said:

kle4 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/BenKentish/status/1213403145075937280

David Lammy is absolutely right there.

Stopped clock?

So long as he acknowledges hes not the best person for X he might be right alot more often.

RobD said:

kle4 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/BenKentish/status/1213403145075937280

David Lammy is absolutely right there.

Stopped clock?

Stopped cock.

This looks a match winning partnership for SA. Can Root’s captaincy survive yet another series defeat?

Nigelb said:

Floater said:

viewcode said:

Dura_Ace said:

kinabalu said:

Dura_Ace said:

I doubt a full on DVDA war is the objective; after all what would victory look like?

But the giant refinery at Abadan going up in flames after a fleeting visit from CVW-1 would be a fine backdrop to a re-election campaign.

Iran's task is now (so I hear) to retaliate in a way that makes America wish to allah that they had not just done what they have done but yet does not cause America to escalate again thus moving towards what could be called a "war". This strikes me as being almost by definition not possible.

It could be an ironic swansong for the mighty F-14.

There's a F14 in the trailer for the new Top Gun movie: people have speculated that this means Iran is involved in the plot.

That I believe is not a F14

Sure, it largely features the rather less charismatic F18, but there are actually two of the old ride in the trailer (albeit one appears as a static display).

Indeed. As I rather hurriedly pointed out to @Floater, the flying F14 appears at the very end of the trailer, and most of the time he's flying the Hornet.

Dura_Ace said:

viewcode said:

Dura_Ace said:

The APG-71 radar in the F-14 is probably vulnerable to ECM now but in its day it was simply incredible. We could do 24 target track while scan and 6 target simultaneous engagement at up to 180km with RAP out out 600km via Hawkeye datalink. Then when we were bored with killing everyone we could go 68 wing/stage 5 AB and pull 7G+ M2.0 on the way home.

Oh God. OK, going thru them...

* "APG-71" = the name of the radar the F14 carried - the F14 can be thought of as a missile carrier for extremely-long-range air-to-air missiles, and the radar was needed to target them.
* "ECM" = electronic counter measures: a way for an opponent to survive your oh-so fancy-dan missiles and radar
* "24 target track while scan and 6 target simultaneous engagement at up to 180km" = you can track 24 opponents and fight 6 whilst they are very far away and can't attack you.
* "out 600km via Hawkeye datalink" = in fact, you could do it at even longer distances if you were given info from a supporting aircraft
* "68 wing/stage 5 AB" = the F14 had swing wings (the wings can move back-and-forth) and an afterburner (a way of injecting and igniting fuel into the exhaust for additional thrust). By sweeping the wings back 68 degrees and using the afterburner to its maximum extent you could make an already fast aircraft go very very fast...
* "pull 7G+ M2.0 on the way home." = ...in fact you could travel at twice the speed of sound at the cost of enduring g-force that could force your guts out your bottom...

So. you could be flying over London, shoot down six aircraft flying over Edinburgh who can't even see you, then land in Berlin within the hour at the cost of pooing your pants if you don't clench fast enough.

Nice day at the office...

[ps what's "RAP"?]

Recognised Air Picture.

Thank you.

JBriskinindyref2 said:

All the female candidates would make terrible PMs (except Cooper). But I'll say this for them - at least they wouldn't be as terrible as that terrible New Zealand woman.

Anyone that thinks Cooper is PM material of any sort needs urgent help. She is about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.

It looks like Starmer's to lose, Nandy has little chance

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1212725650878017536?s=20

isam said:

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TGOHF666 said:

https://twitter.com/cultfree54/status/1213448465839206401?s=21

We just cant let a Human Rights lawyer run the country

Quite. If Starmzy gets it, surely Boris would pledge to abolish the Human Rights Act. Starmer would have to defend it, and we could have a good old culture war on our hands.

JBriskinindyref2 said:

malcolmg said:

JBriskinindyref2 said:

All the female candidates would make terrible PMs (except Cooper). But I'll say this for them - at least they wouldn't be as terrible as that terrible New Zealand woman.

Anyone that thinks Cooper is PM material of any sort needs urgent help. She is about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.

Well I disagree - fwiw who would you pick from the, err inspiring, list as “PM material”?

I would use a blindfold and a pin , pin the donkey is very apt description.
PS: Cooper has to be one of the most useless bland candidates ever.

Theuniondivvie said:

WWIII being added to the pile of reasons to hold on to the Jezziah.

twitter.com/carmel_prescott/status/1213177261844774913?s=20

Silly really, HMG is quite capable of covering the vital impotent bleating requirements of the country.

The Tw@tterverse is getting very excited by Jezza's letter.

matt said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Theuniondivvie said:

WWIII being added to the pile of reasons to hold on to the Jezziah.

twitter.com/carmel_prescott/status/1213177261844774913?s=20

Silly really, HMG is quite capable of covering the vital impotent bleating requirements of the country.

The Tw@tterverse is getting very excited by Jezza's letter.

I’m not sure that the Labour Party has realised that they are, in the medium term, irrelevant. The MP demanding an urgent recall of parliament to discuss this had forgotten that we have majority government again.

And that in the real world, nobody gives a flying f##k about what is trending on the twitter machine.

kyf_100 said:

nunu2 said:

viewcode said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

MarqueeMark said:

squareroot2 said:

BudG said:

Took part in another You Gov poll for Labour members last night. The difference between this and the first one that caused a lot of movement in the market was that they included Lavery this time (he had not announced an interest in running at the time of the last poll)

I would also mention that there seems to be quite a bit of support growing in some of the Facebook groups I am a member of. One was running a poll over the last few days and it put Lavery top in a poll of about 900 group members, although I would estimate that only around half of these will have Labour membership. There seems to be a swing towards support for Lavery from RLB.

Am expecting a strong showing from Lavery when the next YouGov poll comes out, but as ever, DYOR if betting

Facebook poll.. voodoo nonsense

Twitter, Facebook and the Death of the Left as an Electoral Force will be a popular topic in about a decade.

It is fascinating how the Left have taken to these platforms to reinforoce each other, whereas the Right by and large do not share their views. Even in totally apolitical groups, those on the Left will find a reason to rail at Johnson/Tories. Yet from those 14m who voted Tory, not a peep. Certainly, nobody on Facebook would have a clue about my politics.

Yeah that fuckwit Cummings and CCHQ's gurus from down under totally wasted all their time and the party's money on Facebook.

Or was it wasted? One thing is for sure, if you think the right ignores social media, you ought to stay in more.

If I recall my Shipman correctly, didn't Dom eschew Facebook ads in favour of other online methods? Or have I misunderstood?

Yes, tories spent much less than Labour on FB, but more than Labour on Google searches

The Youtube front page takeover the weekend before the election would have cost an order of magnitude larger than anything else they did, and was probably several orders of magnitude more effective. As someone else said "the closest you can get to broadcast in a digital era". Half the country probably saw that ad. And the messaging - aren't you sick of them arguing? was spot on.

I wonder how much the Daily Mail ad on election day cost them? That was also a very clever move as despite nobody wanting to admit it, loads of people click onto their website to check out which z-list celeb is looking terrible these days.

Did Boris forget to take his phone charger on holiday, you would have thought he may have at least made a short statement supporting his chum, even if only to hasten the very quick trade deal.

malcolmg said:

Did Boris forget to take his phone charger on holiday, you would have thought he may have at least made a short statement supporting his chum, even if only to hasten the very quick trade deal.

Raab made a perfectly sensible statement, Boris is rightly staying out of it and sticking to the sun lounger

FrancisUrquhart said:

kyf_100 said:

nunu2 said:

viewcode said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

MarqueeMark said:

Twitter, Facebook and the Death of the Left as an Electoral Force will be a popular topic in about a decade.

It is fascinating how the Left have taken to these platforms to reinforoce each other, whereas the Right by and large do not share their views. Even in totally apolitical groups, those on the Left will find a reason to rail at Johnson/Tories. Yet from those 14m who voted Tory, not a peep. Certainly, nobody on Facebook would have a clue about my politics.

Yeah that fuckwit Cummings and CCHQ's gurus from down under totally wasted all their time and the party's money on Facebook.

Or was it wasted? One thing is for sure, if you think the right ignores social media, you ought to stay in more.

If I recall my Shipman correctly, didn't Dom eschew Facebook ads in favour of other online methods? Or have I misunderstood?

Yes, tories spent much less than Labour on FB, but more than Labour on Google searches

The Youtube front page takeover the weekend before the election would have cost an order of magnitude larger than anything else they did, and was probably several orders of magnitude more effective. As someone else said "the closest you can get to broadcast in a digital era". Half the country probably saw that ad. And the messaging - aren't you sick of them arguing? was spot on.

I wonder how much the Daily Mail ad on election day cost them? That was also a very clever move as despite nobody wanting to admit it, loads of people click onto their website to check out which z-list celeb is looking terrible these days.

My guess would be north of 500k, unless they were given a friendly rate.

And yes, that was their second smartest media buy. The Mail is absolutely huge. I also think it was smart to hold back on the big spends until the last minute, so the messaging was fresh in everyone's minds.

I think the aim was to create a conversation in pubs, around water coolers, at the dinner table, etc, along the lines of "I'm sick of the games and arguments, at least if Boris gets a big majority things will go back to normal".

That is much more powerful than the "Corbyn is a far left fruitcake, he's an anti-semite and loves the IRA you know". Which as more or less the Tory messaging in 2017 and it wasn't enough.

Generally a positive message wins out over a negative one and Boris was able to present himself as the change candidate.

Theuniondivvie said:

WWIII being added to the pile of reasons to hold on to the Jezziah.

https://twitter.com/carmel_prescott/status/1213177261844774913?s=20

Silly really, HMG is quite capable of covering the vital impotent bleating requirements of the country.

If all they want is for him to be a voice for Britain he can quit parliament and spend all his time at Stop the War or other campaigning organisations.

kyf_100 said:

HYUFD said:

It looks like Starmer's to lose, Nandy has little chance

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1212725650878017536?s=20

A few things that can go wrong from here:

- Starmer decides not to stand (citing the need for a woman to win).
- Long-Bailey is persuaded to stand aside in favour of Angela Rayner
- A poll comes out showing Ian Lavery is in with a shot if he stands
- Corbyn decides to hang on long enough to ensure his favoured candidate wins, or failing that, decides to stay on after all.

I'm certainly not betting on Starmer at current odds.

Sensible.

RobD said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1213427791447937024?s=20

Delighted that Pidcock lost because of her attitude on that.

It's the sort of genuine nastiness that just grates, particularly as its stated as a sign of virtue. I was extremely pleased Skinner got the boot as reportedly he's lived out that attitude for decades, which is pathetic.

HYUFD said:

malcolmg said:

Did Boris forget to take his phone charger on holiday, you would have thought he may have at least made a short statement supporting his chum, even if only to hasten the very quick trade deal.

Raab made a perfectly sensible statement, Boris is rightly staying out of it and sticking to the sun lounger

Positively Churchillian.

TOPPING said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Theuniondivvie said:

WWIII being added to the pile of reasons to hold on to the Jezziah.

twitter.com/carmel_prescott/status/1213177261844774913?s=20

Silly really, HMG is quite capable of covering the vital impotent bleating requirements of the country.

The Tw@tterverse is getting very excited by Jezza's letter.

Oozing through Corbyn's letter is a deep regret that one of his friends should have been offed in such a forthright manner.

It is amazing what ooze can be found by a biased reader. There is nothing in his letter remotely connected to such regret. The only question that would be different if it was a Labour govt and Tory opposition would be number 4. All the other questions are completely neutral and just getting an update on what has happened and the UKs response.

MarqueeMark said:

TOPPING said:

Gutted that Kinnock has endorsed Nandy for leadership. I am large green on it being him.

A good endorsement for Nandy though.

Watch her rise.....

She'll better Kendall's 4.5%?

viewcode said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

viewcode said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

MarqueeMark said:

squareroot2 said:

BudG said:

Took part in another You Gov poll for Labour members last night. The difference between this and the first one that caused a lot of movement in the market was that they included Lavery this time (he had not announced an interest in running at the time of the last poll)

I would also mention that there seems to be quite a bit of support growing in some of the Facebook groups I am a member of. One was running a poll over the last few days and it put Lavery top in a poll of about 900 group members, although I would estimate that only around half of these will have Labour membership. There seems to be a swing towards support for Lavery from RLB.

Am expecting a strong showing from Lavery when the next YouGov poll comes out, but as ever, DYOR if betting

Facebook poll.. voodoo nonsense

Twitter, Facebook and the Death of the Left as an Electoral Force will be a popular topic in about a decade.

It is fascinating how the Left have taken to these platforms to reinforoce each other, whereas the Right by and large do not share their views. Even in totally apolitical groups, those on the Left will find a reason to rail at Johnson/Tories. Yet from those 14m who voted Tory, not a peep. Certainly, nobody on Facebook would have a clue about my politics.

Yeah that fuckwit Cummings and CCHQ's gurus from down under totally wasted all their time and the party's money on Facebook.

Or was it wasted? One thing is for sure, if you think the right ignores social media, you ought to stay in more.

If I recall my Shipman correctly, didn't Dom eschew Facebook ads in favour of other online methods? Or have I misunderstood?

Loves Facebook but not Twitter (which has now banned political adverts anyway) or WhatsApp.

Here is Dom describing how Leave won. It sounds like he is talking just after GE2017 from a throwaway line but it does not really matter.
https://youtu.be/CDbRxH9Kiy4

One of the things Dom describes is using Facebook's advertising criteria to break down surveys into subsamples which meant they could then use the exact same criteria to feed back into Facebook's targeted advertising.

Useful, thank you.

Really fascinating and very much of a piece with his advert for iconoclasts to come and work in No 10 policy unit. The idea at the end that those with degrees in English etc being swept away by data scientists with strong maths particularly so. Is he right? Maybe.

The mighty German car industry.... might just go the same way as ours.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-killer-mercedes-benz-eqc-flops-germany/

DavidL said:

viewcode said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

viewcode said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

MarqueeMark said:

squareroot2 said:

BudG said:

Took part in another You Gov poll for Labour members last night. The difference between this and the first one that caused a lot of movement in the market was that they included Lavery this time (he had not announced an interest in running at the time of the last poll)

I would also mention that there seems to be quite a bit of support growing in some of the Facebook groups I am a member of. One was running a poll over the last few days and it put Lavery top inort for Lavery from RLB.

Am expecting a strong showing from Lavery when the next YouGov poll comes out, but as ever, DYOR if betting

Facebook poll.. voodoo nonsense

Twitter, Facebook and the Death of the Left as an Electoral Force will be a popular topic in about a decade.

It is fascinating how the Left have taken to these platforms to reinforoce each other, whereas the Right by and large do not share their views. Even in totally apolitical groups, those on the Left will find a reason to rail at Johnson/Tories. Yet from those 14m who voted Tory, not a peep. Certainly, nobody on Facebook would have a clue about my politics.

Yeah that fuckwit Cummings and CCHQ's gurus from down under totally wasted all their time and the party's money on Facebook.

Or was it wasted? One thing is for sure, if you think the right ignores social media, you ought to stay in more.

If I recall my Shipman correctly, didn't Dom eschew Facebook ads in favour of other online methods? Or have I misunderstood?

Loves Facebook but not Twitter (which has now banned political adverts anyway) or WhatsApp.

Here is Dom describing how Leave won. It sounds like he is talking just after GE2017 from a throwaway line but it does not really matter.
https://youtu.be/CDbRxH9Kiy4

One of the things Dom describes is using Facebook's advertising criteria to break down surveys into subsamples which meant they could then use the exact same criteria to feed back into Facebook's targeted advertising.

Useful, thank you.

Really fascinating and very much of a piece with his advert for iconoclasts to come and work in No 10 policy unit. The idea at the end that those with degrees in English etc being swept away by data scientists with strong maths particularly so. Is he right? Maybe.

More interesting, and one especially for those who think leaving the EU is a victory for the little guy against the establishment, is that after the 2015 Cons election victory Dom started to get calls from a few "Tory billionaires".

TOPPING said:

MarqueeMark said:

TOPPING said:

Gutted that Kinnock has endorsed Nandy for leadership. I am large green on it being him.

A good endorsement for Nandy though.

Watch her rise.....

She looks sane also. No crazed look in her eyes.

She sounds sane. If for example she was in charge of an elderly relative's care, you'd feel comforted by that.

If Lavery was in charge of that relative, though.....you'd be waiting for a Power of Attorney in his favour to mysteriously surface.

O.k, I'll admit some Leavers are thick as pig shit.

https://mobile.twitter.com/people_paul/status/1212360617681719297

noneoftheabove said:

TOPPING said:

noneoftheabove said:

TOPPING said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Theuniondivvie said:

WWIII being added to the pile of reasons to hold on to the Jezziah.

twitter.com/carmel_prescott/status/1213177261844774913?s=20

Silly really, HMG is quite capable of covering the vital impotent bleating requirements of the country.

The Tw@tterverse is getting very excited by Jezza's letter.

Oozing through Corbyn's letter is a deep regret that one of his friends should have been offed in such a forthright manner.

It is amazing what ooze can be found by a biased reader. There is nothing in his letter remotely connected to such regret. The only question that would be different if it was a Labour govt and Tory opposition would be number 4. All the other questions are completely neutral and just getting an update on what has happened and the UKs response.

Any interference with Jeremy's friends in the middle East by the great Satan is cause for a letter. What other letters has he written to the Prime Minister?

Plenty, you know perfectly well Loto and PMs write to each other frequently.

Oh. Sorry. Could you send me a link to the other ones he's sent since he announced he'd be stepping down.

Despite being busier than usual today I’ve found the time to do an interesting exercise which I don’t believe has ever been done before – an analysis of PMs since 1900 by number of syllables in their name. So to illustrate, David Lloyd George is 2-1-1. It reveals the following (surprisingly wide) distribution –

2-2-2 ... One
1-2 ... One
3-2 ... One
2-2-1 ... One
1-3 ... One
3-1 ... One
2-1-1 ... One
2-2-3 ... One
2-3 ... Three
2-1 ... Four
2-2 ... Seven !!!

Relevance viz Labour leadership -

All of the 3-parters (indicating double barreled names a la Long Bailey) are dim distant past. Furthermore she would be the very first 3-1-2.

Most of the other serious candidates (Jarvis, Starmer, Phillips, Lewis) are 1-2. There has been only one such PM in the last 120 years. John Major.

2-2 is what stands out a mile. No less than SEVEN PMs (including current holder) have this attribute. That's a full third of the total. Really striking.

Points to one person and one only. Lisa Nandy. My pick, as it happens, but that is nothing to do with this.

England have performed an act of indecent exposure in a premature fashion.

Otherwise known as getting de Kock out early.

MaxPB said:

Nigelb said:

The mighty German car industry.... might just go the same way as ours.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-killer-mercedes-benz-eqc-flops-germany/

That's not surprising, no European car marques have made the jump to electric well. A lot of this is down to regulators pushing diesel for so many years as a "cleaner" alternative to petrol and complacency within manufacturers in the premium sector.

The only saving grace is that the Model 3 is so awful that JLR, BMW etc... might still have some room to make a £45k electric saloon car that feels a lot more premium than the Model 3.

I still want a Cybertruck....

kle4 said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

kinabalu said:

Despite being busier than usual today I’ve found the time to do an interesting exercise which I don’t believe has ever been done before – an analysis of PMs since 1900 by number of syllables in their name. So to illustrate, David Lloyd George is 2-1-1. It reveals the following (surprisingly wide) distribution –

2-2-2 ... One
1-2 ... One
3-2 ... One
2-2-1 ... One
1-3 ... One
3-1 ... One
2-1-1 ... One
2-2-3 ... One
2-3 ... Three
2-1 ... Four
2-2 ... Seven !!!

Relevance viz Labour leadership -

All of the 3-parters (indicating double barreled names a la Long Bailey) are dim distant past. Furthermore she would be the very first 3-1-2.

Most of the other serious candidates (Jarvis, Starmer, Phillips, Lewis) are 1-2. There has been only one such PM in the last 120 years. John Major.

2-2 is what stands out a mile. No less than SEVEN PMs (including current holder) have this attribute. That's a full third of the total. Really striking.

Points to one person and one only. Lisa Nandy. My pick, as it happens, but that is nothing to do with this.

Complete drivel. Why are you wasting our time with this amateur numerology based on stale, male and pale prime ministers?

Yes, I'm totally sure it was meant to be completely serious.

Whoosh.

MarqueeMark said:

She sounds sane. If for example she was in charge of an elderly relative's care, you'd feel comforted by that.

If Lavery was in charge of that relative, though.....you'd be waiting for a Power of Attorney in his favour to mysteriously surface.

That's a good one - much better than the hackneyed "Who would you like to have a pint with?" - but I'm not sure that "Boris" would score too well on it.

Can you imagine.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Complete drivel. Why are you wasting our time with this amateur numerology based on stale, male and pale prime ministers?

All women leaders have three-syllable first names: Margaret Thatcher, Nicola Sturgeon, Theresa May, Angela Merkel, Jacinda Arden, Indira Gandhi, Benazir Bhutto. The list goes on and on.

Step forward Rebecca Long-Bailey. Or Angela Rayner. Or Jessica Phillips. Damn! It's all of them!

I did Thatcher as 2-2.

Pronunciation over literal wording. Margret.

TOPPING said:

noneoftheabove said:

TOPPING said:

noneoftheabove said:

TOPPING said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Theuniondivvie said:

WWIII being added to the pile of reasons to hold on to the Jezziah.

twitter.com/carmel_prescott/status/1213177261844774913?s=20

Silly really, HMG is quite capable of covering the vital impotent bleating requirements of the country.

The Tw@tterverse is getting very excited by Jezza's letter.

Oozing through Corbyn's letter is a deep regret that one of his friends should have been offed in such a forthright manner.

It is amazing what ooze can be found by a biased reader. There is nothing in his letter remotely connected to such regret. The only question that would be different if it was a Labour govt and Tory opposition would be number 4. All the other questions are completely neutral and just getting an update on what has happened and the UKs response.

Any interference with Jeremy's friends in the middle East by the great Satan is cause for a letter. What other letters has he written to the Prime Minister?

Plenty, you know perfectly well Loto and PMs write to each other frequently.

Oh. Sorry. Could you send me a link to the other ones he's sent since he announced he'd be stepping down.

If you could list the bigger international incidents that have happened since he announced he is stepping down I shall have a look.

kinabalu said:

RobD said:

Delighted that Pidcock lost because of her attitude on that.

Very young, though, let's remember. Bit of slack maybe?

Yep
She has plenty of time to lose more safe seats to the tories.

https://twitter.com/ayeshahazarika/status/1213471969745747968

RobD said:

kinabalu said:

RobD said:

Delighted that Pidcock lost because of her attitude on that.

Very young, though, let's remember. Bit of slack maybe?

Don't people's attitudes become more entrenched as they age?

I’m more and more convinced that’s wrong.

MarqueeMark said:

TOPPING said:

Gutted that Kinnock has endorsed Nandy for leadership. I am large green on it being him.

A good endorsement for Nandy though.

Watch her rise.....

You reckon? I see her as the Likes Soft Brexit candidate, and she's closely associated with Stephen Kinnock for that (Neil's endorsement would carry more weight). It's a reasonable position given that we're leaving (make the best of it), but not especially appealing to members.

The YouGov poll downthread is the one we've already seen, no?

https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1213251167179988996

kjohnw1 said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/SKinnock/status/1213446131637731330?s=20

Didn’t she yet again vote against brexit before Christmas ?, despite representing a leave constituency, good luck with reconnecting with the leave North!

Us northerners are not all Brexit frothing obsessives like you think we are.

state_go_away said:

Ok maybe its me being grumpy but why are football matches having a delayed start of a minute so everyone can watch a video on mental health? Wokeness gone too far ? It assumes people who on their Saturday off from work want to be fed this when going to a unrelated football match .yes football players and fans suffer from mental health as everyone does but it is not specific to the sport . Its always a good adage that politics should be kept from sport , I think wokeness should be added to the list of things kept away from sport . FFS let people enjoy their leisure time without complicating it or making them feel like they have to back a cause

I would gently say mental health awareness is not 'wokeness' nor a cause. Mental health is in crisis throughout all ages and classes and in many countries. Many who suffer do so in silence, frightened that they will be belittled if seeking help and help is in very short supply. The minute long video is aimed at many who might well be at matches, or know someone who is suffering, and needs help

A member of my family went to the rescue from an earthquake and saw images that are difficult to comprehend and is receiving long term care for PTSD. He is an ordinary member of the publlic who ran towards the disaster rather than running away

We all need to be kind to those suffering mental health issues, after all we may be one of them someday

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/ayeshahazarika/status/1213466652299481088

If Phillips gets on the ballot, then by so obviously offering herself up as the main target for this sort of crap she may allow the likes of Starmer to largely escape the on-line hate campaigns. That may even be her intention.

MaxPB said:

Nigelb said:

The mighty German car industry.... might just go the same way as ours.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-killer-mercedes-benz-eqc-flops-germany/

That's not surprising, no European car marques have made the jump to electric well. A lot of this is down to regulators pushing diesel for so many years as a "cleaner" alternative to petrol and complacency within manufacturers in the premium sector.

The only saving grace is that the Model 3 is so awful that JLR, BMW etc... might still have some room to make a £45k electric saloon car that feels a lot more premium than the Model 3.

I don't think any car maker other than Tesla has really done that well. The i-pace, for example, has flopped in the US. neither ford nor GM has managed to put out an electric vehicle that sells well. Toyota has done well with the Prius, but their pure electric sales are tiny.