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  • Anorak said:

    I think you mean it's mooving.
    Bull!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited December 2019
    nunu2 said:

    Labour are rising in the south and the tories rising in the north = Tory landslide

    It's possible the Tories have a number of potential voters who will vote Conservative if they think there's a chance of Corbyn becoming PM even though the party is their second preference, but who'll otherwise vote for other parties if they think the Tories are heading for a comfortable win. Of course that limits the chances of a big Tory landslide.
  • Byronic said:

    Kids under 16 do not understand the pejorative usage of the word ‘gay’. It’s fallen out of fashion. True story.
    Unfortunately most also do not remember the original non-sexual orientation usage of the word either. Which is a kind of a shame as it is a good word and it would be nice if both meanings of the word remained in use side by side.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,324
    Stocky said:

    Ouch.

    Says the man who buys a porche.
    If I like communism so much why don't I go to live in Chopwell?
  • Love railways, love meat ... hate virtue signalling and lecturing ☺️
    You meat-eating savage, you! :lol:
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,362
    Andy_JS said:

    It's possible the Tories have a number of potential voters who will vote Conservative if they think there's a chance of Corbyn becoming PM even though the party is their second preference, but who'll otherwise vote for other parties if they think the Tories are heading for a comfortable win. Of course that limits the chances of a big Tory landslide.
    Thankfully some are giving the impression it is a dead heat. :)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,812
    Selebian said:

    Given the figures in this paper on efficiency (yes, one paper from quick google, I'm sure other papers will have different figures) you'd need an awful lot of current pasture land not suitable for anything else:
    https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/10/105002

    To be clear though, I'm not advocating total veganism. I'm not a vegan, I eat meat (although not a great deal, probably twice per week on average, although it varies).

    I think us meat eaters should be grateful to the vegetarians and vegans out there for increasing our share (by decreasing theirs) of the global sustainable budget for meat production ;-)

    I read somewhere - and it has a ring of truth about it - that a non trivial cause of global warming is the methane produced by the farting and burping of cows. There are 1.5 billion of them in the world and each one farts and burps dozens of times a day. That's a lot of gas. OK, so the same applies to people and there are 7.7 billion of them. However, the fart or burp of a cow is several times richer in methane than that of a human.

  • Unfortunately most also do not remember the original non-sexual orientation usage of the word either. Which is a kind of a shame as it is a good word and it would be nice if both meanings of the word remained in use side by side.

    Yes, it's a great shame because there really isn't another English word which exactly captures the original meaning of 'gay'.

    And of course the loss of the original meaning wrecks one of Yeats' finest poems.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    On meat, we stick to a relatively simple rule.
    Buy British. I think there's a strong argument to being pescatarian in say Brazil.
  • I didn't see the documentary, but perhaps the cattle left to their own devices are those at Knepp, which was formerly an intensive arable farm?

    https://knepp.co.uk/home

    As it happens I'm about half-way through Isabella Tree's book on this. It is absolutely fascinating, and also superbly well written - she manages to weave quite a complex set of strands of the story and science into a beautiful and thought-provoking narrative. Very highly recommended - put it on your Xmas list!

    https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/9781509805105
    Most dairy and pork and beef farmers I know (I live in a rural area, and we usually stay on a farm in Devon over the NY break) are very emotional and caring to their livestock herds.

    Yes, it’s a business and a livelihood but they also have compassion for their animals too.
  • Yes, it's a great shame because there really isn't another English word which exactly captures the original meaning of 'gay'.

    And of course the loss of the original meaning wrecks one of Yeats' finest poems.
    "Oh yes, I'm the Great Pretender
    Just laughing and GAY like a clown"
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited December 2019
    Anorak said:

    The only way to really save the planet is to adopt a Logan's Run rule about age, and impose harsh controls on procreation.
    Nah it's to start serious investment into space habitat creation. You could have billions living in rotating habitats with space agriculture via mirrors and shade and robotic farming on inhospitable but farmable planets alongside robotic heavy industry. All doable by the early 2100s if we start investment now. And it gets us off planet in case the big one hits.
  • Don't forget Finland!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

    And then, strictly not "1930s" there was the annexation of the Baltics and Bessarabia (today's Moldova in most part).
    Any reason for a new reds under the bed scare this morning?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    edited December 2019

    Nah it's to start serious investment into space habitat creation. You could have billions living in rotating habitats with space agriculture via mirrors and shade and robotic farming on inhospitable but farmable planets alongside robotic heavy industry. All doable by the early 2100s if we start investment now. And it gets us off planet in case the big one hits.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ98hGUe6FM
    Jeff Bezos gave a great talk on this, RIP Gerard O'Neill
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Nah it's to start serious investment into space habitat creation. You could have billions living in rotating habitats with space agriculture via mirrors and shade and robotic farming on inhospitable but farmable planets alongside robotic heavy industry. All doable by the early 2100s if we start investment now. And it gets us off planet in case the big one hits.
    That would be awesome, but not going to happen with politics running on a 4-5 year cycle. I'm happy to volunteer for the position of Global Emperor for Life (Benevolent), if it helps, though.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Pulpstar said:

    On meat, we stick to a relatively simple rule.
    Buy British. I think there's a strong argument to being pescatarian in say Brazil.

    But a lot of British meat is halal, and a fair amount is kosher. And much of that meat is not stunned, it is bled to death.

    It’s outrageous. In a few years we will wonder how this was ever tolerated.

    https://www.rspca.org.uk/getinvolved/campaign/slaughter
  • Pulpstar said:

    Good poll for Bernie and Biden, Politico/Morning Consult
    Biden 29; Sanders 20; Warren 15; Buttigieg 9; Bloomberg 5; Yang 4.

    Harris gets 5% as she exits the race.

    Harris may have exited prematurely. We shall see. If one of the front-runners blows up, there is all to play for.
  • Yes, it's a great shame because there really isn't another English word which exactly captures the original meaning of 'gay'.

    And of course the loss of the original meaning wrecks one of Yeats' finest poems.
    Indeed even the Flintstones Theme Tune is wrecked by that too.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012

    Yes, it's a great shame because there really isn't another English word which exactly captures the original meaning of 'gay'.

    And of course the loss of the original meaning wrecks one of Yeats' finest poems.
    Not to mention "the child who is born on the Sabbath day".
  • kinabalu said:

    I read somewhere - and it has a ring of truth about it - that a non trivial cause of global warming is the methane produced by the farting and burping of cows. There are 1.5 billion of them in the world and each one farts and burps dozens of times a day. That's a lot of gas. OK, so the same applies to people and there are 7.7 billion of them. However, the fart or burp of a cow is several times richer in methane than that of a human.
    But the thing about humans of course is that at the start of the industrial age, there were, what, only 1 or 2 billions around?
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453
    Pulpstar said:

    Good poll for Bernie and Biden, Politico/Morning Consult
    Biden 29; Sanders 20; Warren 15; Buttigieg 9; Bloomberg 5; Yang 4.

    Harris gets 5% as she exits the race.

    Bloomberg at 5% already!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ98hGUe6FM
    Jeff Bezos gave a great talk on this, RIP Gerard O'Neill
    Isaac Arthur does a great series of videos on YouTube all about the practicalities from simple space stations right up to Dyson spheres and the like. First step will be unsurpressing the technologies that terrify the oil and gas companies
  • Indeed even the Flintstones Theme Tune is wrecked by that too.
    And "The Great Pretender" :)
  • "Oh yes, I'm the Great Pretender
    Just laughing and GAY like a clown"
    To be fair I'm pretty sure he knew both meanings of the word then . . .
  • Indeed even the Flintstones Theme Tune is wrecked by that too.

    That is perhaps a loss which Western culture can sustain without too much damage..
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    geoffw said:

    Not to mention "the child who is born on the Sabbath day".
    Is bonny and blyth and good and a raging queen?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,362
    Byronic said:

    But a lot of British meat is halal, and a fair amount is kosher. And much of that meat is not stunned, it is bled to death.

    It’s outrageous. In a few years we will wonder how this was ever tolerated.

    https://www.rspca.org.uk/getinvolved/campaign/slaughter
    Yeah, I'm really put off when I see somewhere advertise that they sell Halal meat only (not seen any kosher, but I think I'd be similarly put off).
  • To be fair I'm pretty sure he knew both meanings of the word then . . .
    How about The Platters? :lol:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzkszgjkj6Q
  • The Russia/Belarus confederation looks like it is going to happen.
  • TimT said:

    I have nothing against Vegans. But anyone who has lived in Africa or the Middle East knows that there are huge areas of pasture or grazing lands on this planet not suitable for anything else. Most of the Arabian peninsula, Mongolia and the Central Asian steppe, and large swaths of Africa, Australia, not to mention mountain sides.

    The Dust Bowl in the US was created when European settlers tried to turn pasture into arable land.

    Animal grazing lands are not fungible with arable lands for the most part.
    Excellent post.

    And, if those protein sources were denied, you’d end up needing to clear extra rainforest for growing soybeans, or similar.

    You can get more energy per unit of land from arable farming compared to grazing for livestock, and then consuming that in turn. But that doesn’t factor in the types of land, its availability, its fungibility, the environmental opportunity cost or the diversity of the human diet.

    As always, complex problems don’t have simple answers.
  • How about The Platters? :lol:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzkszgjkj6Q
    Fair enough! I so associated this with Freddie Mercury I didn't realise it was a cover song! Mea culpa . . .
  • That is perhaps a loss which Western culture can sustain without too much damage..
    Philistine.
  • It came at last....the luuvie letter to the Guardian.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/03/vote-for-hope-and-a-decent-future

    Seems a poor list when you can only get 40 and some of which aren't even able to vote in the GE e.g Noam Chomsky and Yanis Varoufakis
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,533
    edited December 2019
    They don't care, they just get all the outriders on twitter to retweet relentlessly. We are in a world of alternative facts these days.

    It appears first and foremost they just ignored inflation e.g. https://twitter.com/rcolvile/status/1202187184746442755
  • The Russia/Belarus confederation looks like it is going to happen.

    As I recall, it’s basically a wheeze to keep Putin in power in a “different” role as head of the whole entity?
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    He isn't happy but it's no worse than the promises the Tories are making.

    I suspect whoever wins this election is in for a world of pain when reality hits.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    It came at last....the luuvie letter to the Guardian.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/03/vote-for-hope-and-a-decent-future

    Seems a poor list when you can only get 40 and some of which aren't even able to vote in the GE e.g Noam Chomsky and Yanis Varoufakis

    And Naomi Wolf! Why should I give a toss what millionaire New York liberal Naomi Wolf thinks about a general election in the UK? Especially when she won’t be paying any of Corbyn’s new communist taxes.

    PUKE
  • It came at last....the luuvie letter to the Guardian.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/03/vote-for-hope-and-a-decent-future

    Seems a poor list when you can only get 40 and some of which aren't even able to vote in the GE e.g Noam Chomsky and Yanis Varoufakis

    Well the real luvvies won't vote for antisemitism.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    It came at last....the luuvie letter to the Guardian.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/03/vote-for-hope-and-a-decent-future

    Seems a poor list when you can only get 40 and some of which aren't even able to vote in the GE e.g Noam Chomsky and Yanis Varoufakis

    Lol, Clean Bandit. Cutting edge bad boys of rock for the Jezziah
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News political correspondent Tamara Cohen is impressive IMO, especially given that she's pretty young.

    Not going to be a Corbyn supporter, I'd wager.
  • Byronic said:

    And Naomi Wolf! Why should I give a toss what millionaire New York liberal Naomi Wolf thinks about a general election in the UK? Especially when she won’t be paying any of Corbyn’s new communist taxes.

    PUKE
    I am not going to bother going through and looking them all up, but a good proportion of them are in a similar boat.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,362
    eek said:

    He isn't happy but it's no worse than the promises the Tories are making.

    I suspect whoever wins this election is in for a world of pain when reality hits.
    No worse? Have you seen the magnitude of Labour’s spending commitments?
  • Ken Loach backs Corbyn? Well that is such a shock it must change everything surely . . . who could possibly have expected Ken Loach to endorse Corbyn?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    eek said:

    He isn't happy but it's no worse than the promises the Tories are making.

    I suspect whoever wins this election is in for a world of pain when reality hits.
    They're not promises, they are pure lies. Labour have ignored inflation, which in the case of leccy/gas/water shows that people are paying, on average, less than they were in 2010.

    I think they got Diane to do it, and then Burgon 'corrected' her calculations.
  • It came at last....the luuvie letter to the Guardian.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/03/vote-for-hope-and-a-decent-future

    Seems a poor list when you can only get 40 and some of which aren't even able to vote in the GE e.g Noam Chomsky and Yanis Varoufakis

    Loooooooool

    I should give myself a medal.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    eek said:

    He isn't happy but it's no worse than the promises the Tories are making.

    I suspect whoever wins this election is in for a world of pain when reality hits.
    I don't think the Tories have made very many promises at all. Indeed they've been criticised for a lack of ambition in their manifesto.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Lol, Clean Bandit. Cutting edge bad boys of rock for the Jezziah
    I used to love them, before they turned into millionaire Jez fans. I guess they'd Rather Be a lot poorer.
  • eek said:

    He isn't happy but it's no worse than the promises the Tories are making.

    I suspect whoever wins this election is in for a world of pain when reality hits.
    It's about £80 billion worse.

  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    eek said:

    He isn't happy but it's no worse than the promises the Tories are making.

    I suspect whoever wins this election is in for a world of pain when reality hits.
    It smacks of desperation tho. The spurious exactitude of “£6700”. Spare us

    Labour are like a thwarted suitor making ever more ridiculous promises in the hope of a bunk-up. At a certain stage it becomes embarrassing for all, and actively repellent
  • Lol, Clean Bandit. Cutting edge bad boys of rock for the Jezziah
    Grace Chatto - attended Westminster School, the Royal Academy of Music and Cambridge.

    Sounds the identikit Jezza / XR supporter these days.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    edited December 2019

    It's about £80 billion worse.

    @eek has been on quite a journey since he voted to leave the EU in 2016.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    Pulpstar said:

    I don't think the Tories have made very many promises at all. Indeed they've been criticised for a lack of ambition in their manifesto.
    There is nothing in their (the Tories) manifesto.
  • I am not going to bother going through and looking them all up, but a good proportion of them are in a similar boat.
    Like you said, the real striking thing about that list is how short it is, and who’s not on it.

    No Stephen Fry. Hugh Laurie. Emma Thompson. Tony Robinson.

    Etc. Etc.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    eek said:

    There is nothing in their (the Tories) manifesto.
    the promises the Tories are making.
    There is nothing in their (the Tories) manifesto.


    Errm I did some logic at University, can you run those two statements through for me.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    Pulpstar said:

    @eek has been on quite a journey since he voted to leave the EU in 2016.
    Having met Boris and knowing others who have worked with him - shall we just say that my vote was definitely the least worst candidate who can win the seat.

    Now the Labour manifesto is utterly insane even if we exclude all the announcements that aren't actually in it but as Corbyn cannot win a majority I'm hoping that others could control the more insane parts.

  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited December 2019

    Like you said, the real striking thing about that list is how short it is, and who’s not on it.

    No Stephen Fry. Hugh Laurie. Emma Thompson. Tony Robinson.

    Etc. Etc.
    Ahhh. Now they're proper luvvies, they are. And I suspect they don't deny the Holocaust in the say way as Ken Loach.

    Edit: And for that matter Chomsky has a similar list of "accidental associations" to Corbyn.
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    Byronic said:

    But a lot of British meat is halal, and a fair amount is kosher. And much of that meat is not stunned, it is bled to death.

    It’s outrageous. In a few years we will wonder how this was ever tolerated.

    https://www.rspca.org.uk/getinvolved/campaign/slaughter
    As a secular Jew, I think it outrageous my brethren get an opt out on cruelty laws. Either its cruel or its not, but you can't have one rule for Peter and one for Paul.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,980

    The difference is that the Scandinavians, due to PR voting systems, have separate parties, whereas England has “wings” within parties. Eg. in Sweden there are:
    - two LibDem parties (urban and rural)
    - three Labour parties (centre-left, left and feminist)
    - two Green parties (left and centrist)
    - three conservative parties (social conservatives, economic liberals and anti-migration)

    So, while the Danish People’s Party and the Sweden Democrats are highly visible, they are matched, indeed exceeded, by anti-migration sentiment deeply imbedded in the Tory party in England, due to FPTP.
    And, in Scotland, in the SNP.
  • I have found a clip of what Nish Kumar "comedy" routine that caused him to get boo'ed and go full Bercow....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uOMCb0JYkI
  • Anorak said:

    Ahhh. Now they're proper luvvies, they are. And I suspect they don't deny the Holocaust in the say way as Ken Loach.
    Ken Loach appeared in that recent NHS Documentary shown in some cinemas.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,714


    Like you said, the real striking thing about that list is how short it is, and who’s not on it.

    No Stephen Fry. Hugh Laurie. Emma Thompson. Tony Robinson.

    Etc. Etc.

    SK Tremayne...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,812
    Byronic said:

    But a lot of British meat is halal, and a fair amount is kosher. And much of that meat is not stunned, it is bled to death.

    It’s outrageous. In a few years we will wonder how this was ever tolerated.

    https://www.rspca.org.uk/getinvolved/campaign/slaughter

    Do you eat foie gras?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295

    I have found a clip of what Nish Kumar "comedy" routine that caused him to get boo'ed and go full Bercow....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uOMCb0JYkI

    The problem was he wasn't telling jokes, just attacking the audience for being what he presumably regarded as gammons.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Grace Chatto - attended Westminster School, the Royal Academy of Music and Cambridge.

    Sounds the identikit Jezza / XR supporter these days.
    Yes, she will enjoy Britain's communist regime from afar with some caviar and her best wishes
  • Anorak said:

    Ahhh. Now they're proper luvvies, they are. And I suspect they don't deny the Holocaust in the say way as Ken Loach.
    Also Stephen Fry isn't very keen on the insectual woke stuff that is very much part of a load of the left these days.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    The Tories have got Adam Ricketts and that Ken Barlow bloke so labour can kiss my rump
  • TOPPING said:

    SK Tremayne...
    B.Y. Ronic...
  • The Tories have got Adam Ricketts and that Ken Barlow bloke so labour can kiss my rump

    Don't forget Gary Barlow :-)
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012
    edited December 2019

    Like you said, the real striking thing about that list is how short it is, and who’s not on it.

    No Stephen Fry. Hugh Laurie. Emma Thompson. Tony Robinson.

    Etc. Etc.
    The only one on that thin list that surprises and disappoints me is film director Aki Kaurismaki.

  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Gabs3 said:

    As a secular Jew, I think it outrageous my brethren get an opt out on cruelty laws. Either its cruel or its not, but you can't have one rule for Peter and one for Paul.
    Absolutely. I don’t care if it’s your religion. Lots of religions have mad medieval bits that we don’t tolerate, from widow -burning to gay-murdering. Why is animal cruelty permitted?

    And no one is stopping Jews and Muslims from praying over the animals and whatnot. You just have to stun the poor creatures first, to minimise the suffering.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    edited December 2019
    Pulpstar said:

    the promises the Tories are making.
    There is nothing in their (the Tories) manifesto.


    Errm I did some logic at University, can you run those two statements through for me.
    Read https://unherd.com/2019/12/is-this-the-tories-real-manifesto/ and then read the actual manifesto.

    Leave won because Remain offered no hope for the future. The Tory manifesto is the same:-

    it can't talk about transport because of HS2 and Heathrow (both required but seriously badly missold from the first announcement).
    it can't talk about improving the North because it will upset the south.
    It can't talk about other things because that would mean admitting austerity was the disaster it was.

    So instead it focuses on badly thought out Police and other issues.

    And the one thing the tories are doing is throwing money at target seats witness my comment last week regarding the roads they want in Darlington.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    kinabalu said:

    Do you eat foie gras?
    I do, and veal. But I feel really quite guilty about it.

    Also, I love octopus, but won't eat it because they are just too amazing. Go figure.
  • Nish Kumar is such a piss poor comedian he doesn't even have a good anti-heckle riposte. It is the first thing any stand-up worth their salt is develop a good set of anti-heckle put downs.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    kinabalu said:

    Do you eat foie gras?
    I have in the past. I’m really not sure I would, ever again.

    It’s overrated anyway.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235

    I have found a clip of what Nish Kumar "comedy" routine that caused him to get boo'ed and go full Bercow....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uOMCb0JYkI

    Sounds like he just fell very flat from the clip. Left wing comedians can play to an audience like this if they're decent.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Don't forget Gary Barlow :-)
    How could I?!
    I was thinking about Hugh Grant canvassing for everyone. Do you reckon he was just passing time whilst scouting for another prozzie to nosh him off like that Divine woman?
  • Anorak said:

    I do, and veal. But I feel really quite guilty about it.

    Also, I love octopus, but won't eat it because they are just too amazing. Go figure.
    The problem with foie gras is it tastes so good. I convince myself british veal is fine.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Andy_JS said:

    The problem was he wasn't telling jokes, just attacking the audience for being what he presumably regarded as gammons.
    And just kept on with the same act, after it became quite clear he'd lost the audience completely. Good comedians realise they're going down the wrong path and switch to other material, don't just double down on what those paying the bill don't like.
  • This must be the Nato Conference of selective amnesia when past clips appear of Donald Trump saying that 'everything is on the table including the NHS' followed by his comment yesterday that he has never mentioned the NHS ?

    Furthermore quotes appear in a major newspaper this morning which illustrate Johnson's past feelings about Trump when he stated that Trump ' has a quite stupefying ignorance that makes him, frankly unfit to hold the office of president of the United states.' I wonder if Trump has seen that one yet?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235

    Don't forget Gary Barlow :-)
    Is Jim Davidson helping with delivery again ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited December 2019

    Nish Kumar is such a piss poor comedian he doesn't even have a good anti-heckle riposte. It is the first thing any stand-up worth their salt is develop a good set of anti-heckle put downs.

    See Bill Hicks, Jimmy Carr, Frankie Boyle, Anthony Jeselnik...
    All utterly brutal with anyone who interrupted them.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1202176139143327744
    The replies to this...…………..
  • Sandpit said:

    And just kept on with the same act, after it became quite clear he'd lost the audience completely. Good comedians realise they're going down the wrong path and switch to other material, don't just double down on what those paying the bill don't like.
    Absolutely. I saw a stand-up a couple of months ago and it was clear he came with a load of anti-Brexit material, he did a couple of gags and you could tell the audience was oh god not f##king Brexit....and he openly said, ok, so you guys wouldn't be interested in other 30 mins of this, pretended to rip up a script and then told a very full story about going to antenatal classes.
  • Nish Kumar is such a piss poor comedian he doesn't even have a good anti-heckle riposte. It is the first thing any stand-up worth their salt is develop a good set of anti-heckle put downs.

    Decades ago, a chap at work went to see Jim Davidson, then at his prime-time peak, live, and came back gushing about how he'd put down this heckler.

    He was so impressed he went again. Same heckler. Same put-down. Same point in show.

    Even with proper comics, it depends on the heckler being isolated and compos mentis. If you get a group of drunks who join in the show, that's it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,812

    But the thing about humans of course is that at the start of the industrial age, there were, what, only 1 or 2 billions around?

    Yes. I suppose the cow population has grown approx pro rata with the human one. The more of us there are, the more of them we need. Current ratio 5 people to 1 cow. Sounds odd when you put it that way. Surely 1 cow should be enough for many more than just 5 people. Instinctively I would have said more like 50.
  • This must be the Nato Conference of selective amnesia when past clips appear of Donald Trump saying that 'everything is on the table including the NHS' followed by his comment yesterday that he has never mentioned the NHS ?

    Furthermore quotes appear in a major newspaper this morning which illustrate Johnson's past feelings about Trump when he stated that Trump ' has a quite stupefying ignorance that makes him, frankly unfit to hold the office of president of the United states.' I wonder if Trump has seen that one yet?

    In that first conference Trump had absolutely not idea what the NHS was. You might as well ask a British politician about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Terms that anyone in american politics could talk about for hours but utterly unknown to anyone outside of the USA.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,538
    Pulpstar said:
    Louise Mensch still going? I'd forgotten all about her.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Pulpstar said:

    Sounds like he just fell very flat from the clip. Left wing comedians can play to an audience like this if they're decent.
    I’d like to see the ‘comedy’ which antagonised the crowd in the first place
  • Sandpit said:

    See Bill Hicks, Jimmy Carr, Frankie Boyle...
    I don't know much about Nish Kumar, but I wonder these days how many that get picked up for tv have done the hard yards across the clubs?

    Even though working men's clubs died out, what you did get is the rise of Jongleurs. And basically anybody who became anybody on panel shows / tv, had done those clubs up and down the country for years...and I have been to a load of those and you better be bloody good, especially the late show on a Friday or Saturday night with the drunks, as the heckling could be really intense.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    kinabalu said:

    Yes. I suppose the cow population has grown approx pro rata with the human one. The more of us there are, the more of them we need. Current ratio 5 people to 1 cow. Sounds odd when you put it that way. Surely 1 cow should be enough for many more than just 5 people. Instinctively I would have said more like 50.
    Over what time frame?
    5 people, one cow, one year sounds about right.
    Although for everyone like me who'd happily eat a kilo of steak a day, there will be a few who don't eat any, or just an occasional small portion.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,533
    edited December 2019
    Pulpstar said:

    twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1202176139143327744
    The replies to this...…………..

    e.g.

    https://twitter.com/YourePerfidy/status/1202176486637211648
  • I am not going to bother going through and looking them all up, but a good proportion of them are in a similar boat.
    Makes perfect sense that Alexei Sayle is on the list - lifelong Marxist.... also reported as saying

    "In May 2018, regarding the expulsion of Marc Wadsworth from the Labour Party, Sayle commented: "The Party should walk over broken glass to beg people of Marc's calibre to work with them - they are very few and Marc is one of the best. There is a battle going on to destroy and reverse the unexpected and amazing gains the left has made in the last three years. Marc is a casualty in that battle and I am joining the fight to see him re-instated to the front line."
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    tlg86 said:

    Louise Mensch still going? I'd forgotten all about her.
    Some of us have been trying to forget about her for seven years!
    What a waste of a week leafleting and doorknocking that was.
  • Absolutely. I saw a stand-up a couple of months ago and it was clear he came with a load of anti-Brexit material, he did a couple of gags and you could tell the audience was oh god not f##king Brexit....and he openly said, ok, so you guys wouldn't be interested in other 30 mins of this, pretended to rip up a script and then told a very full story about going to antenatal classes.
    My wife dragged me to a Sara Pascoe show, most of it entertaining, and then the identity politics started. As white people we are all responsible for whatever drivel was in the news, and brexit was an act of white supremacy. I *should* have got up and walked out, but my wife would have been embarrassed.

    Just because shes had a lot of fortune in her life, which had a damn good start, and might feel guilty that, dont assume that everyone else has had such a head start.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Pulpstar said:
    Three days after the Islamist terror on London Bridge, and the Labour Party think it’s a good idea to tweet THAT?

    Their campaign is falling apart.
  • My wife dragged me to a Sara Pascoe show, most of it entertaining, and then the identity politics started. As white people we are all responsible for whatever drivel was in the news, and brexit was an act of white supremacy. I *should* have got up and walked out, but my wife would have been embarrassed.

    Just because shes had a lot of fortune in her life, which had a damn good start, and might feel guilty that, dont assume that everyone else has had such a head start.
    Sara Pascoe is vegan iirc so the thread comes full circle-ish. Whoever writes her Wikipedia page needs to look at a map btw.
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453
    Where are the polls? 😭😭😭
  • Byronic said:

    Three days after the Islamist terror on London Bridge, and the Labour Party think it’s a good idea to tweet THAT?

    Their campaign is falling apart.
    She looks like a Phone Booth.
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