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Afternoon all and with this talk about Scots in English seats and English in Scots seats, I was recently stunned to realise roughly 1 in 10 English MPs is actually a Scots man or woman i.e. born in Scotland. Lots of Labour MPs you wouldn't immediately think of as being Scottish and a few Tories too.0
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"JS's Catholicism might be more of a factor than the dead paedo thing."Theuniondivvie said:
No I didn't, you inferred that in the standard, paranoid way of your sort. My facetious comment may have just as much implied that people voted for someone because they were Catholic.TGOHF said:
You claimed people in Scotland vote in an anti Catholic way - you are utterly wrong.
Wee, blue-nosed mooses, indulging in enraged victimhood since...well, time immemorial really.
Your words divvie - stop trying to run away from them.
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Was I the only one who mis-read the previous thread as 'Labour's crotch'?
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You are Kenny Everett and I claim my five out-size comedy hands!dyedwoolie said:
Nuke Moscow, simples.MikeK said:The stealthy Russian takeover of Eastern Ukraine is continuing:
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So Vince has an older doppelganger .... damn cunning these yellow peril folk ....TheScreamingEagles said:
It was no pup.He was 25/1, he's now as low as 10/1.peter_from_putney said:TSE - your betting on the next LibDem leader shows certain St.johnian tendencies, aka covering the field. If I sold you a pup by suggesting Danny Alexander, I could certainly have saved you a few bob by dissuading you from investing in Vince Cable. Read my lips ..... FAR TOO OLD.
Cable's age is no barrier, he's only four years older than Vince Cable.
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There's a lesson in here somewhere
Maths teacher's £2,600 phone bill for downloading Neil Diamond album
Katie Bryan downloaded the £8.99 album from iTunes whilst on holiday in South Africa, but roaming charges cost her far more
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/10764210/Maths-teachers-2600-phone-bill-for-downloading-Neil-Diamond-CD.html0 -
Oops, I meant, Vince Cable is only four years older than the next President of the United States of America, Hillary Clinton.JackW said:
So Vince has an older doppelganger .... damn cunning these yellow peril folk ....TheScreamingEagles said:
It was no pup.He was 25/1, he's now as low as 10/1.peter_from_putney said:TSE - your betting on the next LibDem leader shows certain St.johnian tendencies, aka covering the field. If I sold you a pup by suggesting Danny Alexander, I could certainly have saved you a few bob by dissuading you from investing in Vince Cable. Read my lips ..... FAR TOO OLD.
Cable's age is no barrier, he's only four years older than Vince Cable.0 -
Agreed on both counts.isam said:
I am lost! I blame comprehensive education!JackW said:
No. In the poshest parts of Surrey "riposte" means to repost and the former is pronounced with the final "e" being silent.isam said:
What am I missing here? Doesn't "riposte" mean "respond with a clever remark"?SouthamObserver said:
Perhaps. All I know is that you don't understand what the word riposte means, so you made yourself look a bit silly using it when commenting on another poster's poor grammar. But it's a minor point.felix said:FPT
Clearly it's all a bit subtle for you:)SouthamObserver said:
So you don't know what riposte means. Hint: you are probably best off not commenting on people's grammar on an internet message board.felix said:
Roflwmtita - as Corporal Jones put it - " they don't like it up em"SouthamObserver said:
If you are going to make clever comments about grammar, best to make sure you have riposted (!!!) accurately. You do know what riposte means, don't you?felix said:
Lol - even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte:)compouter2 said:Who has rubbished Populus. I have just given the last six poll. One polling company has two polls that give a significantly lower Labour lead than the three companies that have done four polls giving exactly the same results.
People can make their own mind up where the real situation lies.
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Broxtowe has had Europhile MPs for the last 40 years regardless of party - not sure we've ever differed on the issue. We also agree on gay marriage (pro), overseas aid (pro) and opposition to overturning the hunting ban, though I'm not sure that quite adds up to leftism (and I'm not sure if Browne is sound on hunting).NickPalmer said:
Rushcliffe or Sheffield HallamTheScreamingEagles said:
Is there a Tory constituency association that would want a leftish-leaning Europhile as its MP?
Anna Soubry is to the left of you.
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Despite those probably false rumours of an imminent LibDem leadership challenge, those nice people at William Hill continue to offer Clegg NOT being the party's leader on 1 January 2016 at odds of 8/11.
The words "rope", "money" and "old" spring to mind.
Of course if you take the opposing view even money odds are available.0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
Mr. Easterross, I wonder if that could become an issue if Yes wins. To be honest, I don't think so. I wonder if there's any recent and comparable precedent. Maybe politicians in the Czech Republic and Slovakia?
Mr. Eagles, I don't buy much music, but £2,600 does seem quite expensive.0 -
F1: Mercedes' technical director is leaving the team:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27026775
Paddy Lowe, sort-of-but-not-quite team principal, will take over his responsibilities. Toto Wolff retains his position with responsibility for commerce, marketing and Arnold Schwarznegger impersonations.0 -
Another view of Farron might be that whilst other senior LibDems, including the unlikely figure of Simon Hughes, took to the trenches for the Coalition, Farron was content to snipe from the rear and not get his hands dirty.NickPalmer said:
Farron's big USP is that his fingerprints aren't on the Coalition. If that is judged to have been an unhappy experience with an unfortunate electoral outcome, then nobody who was involved - Alexander, Cable, Webb, Lamb, Browne etc. - will be able to compete with Farron's not-me-guv stance. It's quite possible that this will be the key factor in the next leadership selection, though it won't hurt with members that he's vaguely left of centre too.DavidL said:The only one of that lot that looks tempting to me is Steven Webb at 20-1. I have not seen that much of Tim Farron but what I have seen has been deeply unimpressive and well short of leadership level.
Steven Webb is your and my sort of choice - an impressive geek who is really interested in policy and doing stuff. His nearest counterpart is Oliver Letwin, and sadly they have roughly similar chances of becoming leaders.
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Can you help me out?JackW said:
Agreed on both counts.isam said:
I am lost! I blame comprehensive education!JackW said:
No. In the poshest parts of Surrey "riposte" means to repost and the former is pronounced with the final "e" being silent.isam said:
What am I missing here? Doesn't "riposte" mean "respond with a clever remark"?SouthamObserver said:
Perhaps. All I know is that you don't understand what the word riposte means, so you made yourself look a bit silly using it when commenting on another poster's poor grammar. But it's a minor point.felix said:FPT
Clearly it's all a bit subtle for you:)SouthamObserver said:
So you don't know what riposte means. Hint: you are probably best off not commenting on people's grammar on an internet message board.felix said:
Roflwmtita - as Corporal Jones put it - " they don't like it up em"SouthamObserver said:
If you are going to make clever comments about grammar, best to make sure you have riposted (!!!) accurately. You do know what riposte means, don't you?felix said:
Lol - even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte:)compouter2 said:Who has rubbished Populus. I have just given the last six poll. One polling company has two polls that give a significantly lower Labour lead than the three companies that have done four polls giving exactly the same results.
People can make their own mind up where the real situation lies.
What is wrong with this sentence?
"... even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte"
I cannae see it0 -
After getting that bill she'll be Forever in Blue JeansTheScreamingEagles said:There's a lesson in here somewhere
Maths teacher's £2,600 phone bill for downloading Neil Diamond album
Katie Bryan downloaded the £8.99 album from iTunes whilst on holiday in South Africa, but roaming charges cost her far more
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/10764210/Maths-teachers-2600-phone-bill-for-downloading-Neil-Diamond-CD.html
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No no no. You are thinking of Vince Cable who is older than Vince Cable but slightly younger than Vince Cable.JackW said:
So Vince has an older doppelganger .... damn cunning these yellow peril folk ....TheScreamingEagles said:
It was no pup.He was 25/1, he's now as low as 10/1.peter_from_putney said:TSE - your betting on the next LibDem leader shows certain St.johnian tendencies, aka covering the field. If I sold you a pup by suggesting Danny Alexander, I could certainly have saved you a few bob by dissuading you from investing in Vince Cable. Read my lips ..... FAR TOO OLD.
Cable's age is no barrier, he's only four years older than Vince Cable.
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I am Vince Cable!BobaFett said:
No no no. You are thinking of Vince Cable who is older than Vince Cable but slightly younger than Vince Cable.JackW said:
So Vince has an older doppelganger .... damn cunning these yellow peril folk ....TheScreamingEagles said:
It was no pup.He was 25/1, he's now as low as 10/1.peter_from_putney said:TSE - your betting on the next LibDem leader shows certain St.johnian tendencies, aka covering the field. If I sold you a pup by suggesting Danny Alexander, I could certainly have saved you a few bob by dissuading you from investing in Vince Cable. Read my lips ..... FAR TOO OLD.
Cable's age is no barrier, he's only four years older than Vince Cable.0 -
It would seem bizarre (to me, an Englander) for an Englishman to go to Scotland in some constituency or other and then try to be an MP there.
The left are furious at the LDs for not refusing to enter a coalition government on left wing principle. Because adhering to what the Labour Party thinks is appropriate principled behaviour should trump being in actual power.JackW said:
Apart from the fact that they are Coalition bills not "Tory bills".RochdalePioneers said:The next LibDem leader can only be of the tiny tiny minority that didn't get bitten by the vampire and vote more loyally for Tory bills than Tory MPs did. Any current member of the government is an absolute non-starter, so that does put Farron in the clear lead. Sadly for the LibDems....
Labour partisans can't seem to reconcile themselves to the fact that if LibDems can't be their willing fools then they must be Conservative willing fools.
Fools they may or may not be but they'll have earned the credit or approbrium for being part of a Coalition government. Further it will LibDem members who'll decide the next leader not "Rochdale Pioneers" and they will see things very differently to you.
Off-topic, I can't but help see those pictures of Dave & Sam on holiday without feeling a certain fondness for a now departed poster....0 -
No she did not she said any Scot in a Scottish seat, she only clarified the "Scottish seat" when pulled up by shreddie.Scott_P said:
She was also wrong, and said so on air. She did not mean 'any Scot', she meant any politician of any Nationality representing a Scottish constituency.WelshBertie said:You're actually taking something Polly Toynbee says seriously??? How cute.
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Ah, but men age more quickly than women [sob], so he's really around 10 years older than HRC. Furthermore, probably on age grounds, she won't be the next POTUS.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oops, I meant, Vince Cable is only four years older than the next President of the United States of America, Hillary Clinton.JackW said:
So Vince has an older doppelganger .... damn cunning these yellow peril folk ....TheScreamingEagles said:
It was no pup.He was 25/1, he's now as low as 10/1.peter_from_putney said:TSE - your betting on the next LibDem leader shows certain St.johnian tendencies, aka covering the field. If I sold you a pup by suggesting Danny Alexander, I could certainly have saved you a few bob by dissuading you from investing in Vince Cable. Read my lips ..... FAR TOO OLD.
Cable's age is no barrier, he's only four years older than Vince Cable.0 -
David Laws trying to woo back the LD-Labour switchers at the ATL conference. (That horse has bolted I reckon...) Says should avoid continued politicisation of ed policy/need period of stability. Also that teachers should be qualified.
His arm's in a sling - broke his elbow tripping over a kerb out delivering leaflets.0 -
Indeed, unless it's the tautology of "rush to" and "riposte". Although as a graduate of the sciences, my English is not gud.isam said:
Can you help me out?JackW said:
Agreed on both counts.isam said:
I am lost! I blame comprehensive education!JackW said:
No. In the poshest parts of Surrey "riposte" means to repost and the former is pronounced with the final "e" being silent.isam said:
What am I missing here? Doesn't "riposte" mean "respond with a clever remark"?SouthamObserver said:
Perhaps. All I know is that you don't understand what the word riposte means, so you made yourself look a bit silly using it when commenting on another poster's poor grammar. But it's a minor point.felix said:FPT
Clearly it's all a bit subtle for you:)SouthamObserver said:
So you don't know what riposte means. Hint: you are probably best off not commenting on people's grammar on an internet message board.felix said:
Roflwmtita - as Corporal Jones put it - " they don't like it up em"SouthamObserver said:
If you are going to make clever comments about grammar, best to make sure you have riposted (!!!) accurately. You do know what riposte means, don't you?felix said:
Lol - even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte:)compouter2 said:Who has rubbished Populus. I have just given the last six poll. One polling company has two polls that give a significantly lower Labour lead than the three companies that have done four polls giving exactly the same results.
People can make their own mind up where the real situation lies.
What is wrong with this sentence?
"... even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte"
I cannae see it0 -
His arm's in a sling - broke his elbow tripping over a kerb out delivering leaflets.
That's his story and he's sticking to it!0 -
Ok, it should be?Anorak said:
Indeed, unless it's the tautology of "rush to" and "riposte". Although as a graduate of the sciences, my English is not gud.isam said:
Can you help me out?JackW said:
Agreed on both counts.isam said:
I am lost! I blame comprehensive education!JackW said:
No. In the poshest parts of Surrey "riposte" means to repost and the former is pronounced with the final "e" being silent.isam said:
What am I missing here? Doesn't "riposte" mean "respond with a clever remark"?SouthamObserver said:
Perhaps. All I know is that you don't understand what the word riposte means, so you made yourself look a bit silly using it when commenting on another poster's poor grammar. But it's a minor point.felix said:FPT
Clearly it's all a bit subtle for you:)SouthamObserver said:
So you don't know what riposte means. Hint: you are probably best off not commenting on people's grammar on an internet message board.felix said:
Roflwmtita - as Corporal Jones put it - " they don't like it up em"SouthamObserver said:
If you are going to make clever comments about grammar, best to make sure you have riposted (!!!) accurately. You do know what riposte means, don't you?felix said:
Lol - even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte:)compouter2 said:Who has rubbished Populus. I have just given the last six poll. One polling company has two polls that give a significantly lower Labour lead than the three companies that have done four polls giving exactly the same results.
People can make their own mind up where the real situation lies.
What is wrong with this sentence?
"... even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte"
I cannae see it
" even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you riposte"
Blimey, does anyone fancy a pint?
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It's a clumsy sentence. The construction is poor and the use of "when" is misplaced. Perhaps the following might been more appropriate :isam said:
Can you help me out?JackW said:
Agreed on both counts.isam said:
I am lost! I blame comprehensive education!JackW said:
No. In the poshest parts of Surrey "riposte" means to repost and the former is pronounced with the final "e" being silent.isam said:
What am I missing here? Doesn't "riposte" mean "respond with a clever remark"?SouthamObserver said:
Perhaps. All I know is that you don't understand what the word riposte means, so you made yourself look a bit silly using it when commenting on another poster's poor grammar. But it's a minor point.felix said:FPT
Clearly it's all a bit subtle for you:)SouthamObserver said:
So you don't know what riposte means. Hint: you are probably best off not commenting on people's grammar on an internet message board.felix said:
Roflwmtita - as Corporal Jones put it - " they don't like it up em"SouthamObserver said:
If you are going to make clever comments about grammar, best to make sure you have riposted (!!!) accurately. You do know what riposte means, don't you?felix said:
Lol - even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte:)compouter2 said:Who has rubbished Populus. I have just given the last six poll. One polling company has two polls that give a significantly lower Labour lead than the three companies that have done four polls giving exactly the same results.
People can make their own mind up where the real situation lies.
What is wrong with this sentence?
"... even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte"
I cannae see it
"Your riposte was even funnier given the grammatical errors."
But each to their own. We all have our own style on forums of this type.
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The LDs must be worried about the teacher vote, the ATL would normally be a haven of LD support, but not these days.Carola said:David Laws trying to woo back the LD-Labour switchers at the ATL conference. (That horse has bolted I reckon...) Says should avoid continued politicisation of ed policy/need period of stability. Also that teachers should be qualified.
His arm's in a sling - broke his elbow tripping over a kerb out delivering leaflets.
Of course, if you're wee Nicky Clegg, with a constituency full of students, you'd be more worried about the undergraduate vote.
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Vince Cable = Vince Cable +40
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Another excellent example of tremendous value from the Coalition.BobaFett said:
No no no. You are thinking of Vince Cable who is older than Vince Cable but slightly younger than Vince Cable.JackW said:
So Vince has an older doppelganger .... damn cunning these yellow peril folk ....TheScreamingEagles said:
It was no pup.He was 25/1, he's now as low as 10/1.peter_from_putney said:TSE - your betting on the next LibDem leader shows certain St.johnian tendencies, aka covering the field. If I sold you a pup by suggesting Danny Alexander, I could certainly have saved you a few bob by dissuading you from investing in Vince Cable. Read my lips ..... FAR TOO OLD.
Cable's age is no barrier, he's only four years older than Vince Cable.
"Buy One Get Two Free"
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Mr. W, fora*
Second declension neuter accusative plural, old bean.
[Actually, I forget (from very limited knowledge to start with) whether on forums would be accusative or dative].0 -
That's what I thoughtpeter_from_putney said:His arm's in a sling - broke his elbow tripping over a kerb out delivering leaflets.
That's his story and he's sticking to it!
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It should come as no surprise. It's well-known that the English are the most tolerant and open-minded people in the world.Easterross said:Afternoon all and with this talk about Scots in English seats and English in Scots seats, I was recently stunned to realise roughly 1 in 10 English MPs is actually a Scots man or woman i.e. born in Scotland. Lots of Labour MPs you wouldn't immediately think of as being Scottish and a few Tories too.
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Jack - You refer of course to fora ..... Oi!JackW said:
It's a clumsy sentence. The construction is poor and the use of "when" is misplaced. Perhaps the following might been more appropriate :isam said:
Can you help me out?JackW said:
Agreed on both counts.isam said:
I am lost! I blame comprehensive education!JackW said:
No. In the poshest parts of Surrey "riposte" means to repost and the former is pronounced with the final "e" being silent.isam said:
What am I missing here? Doesn't "riposte" mean "respond with a clever remark"?SouthamObserver said:
Perhaps. All I know is that you don't understand what the word riposte means, so you made yourself look a bit silly using it when commenting on another poster's poor grammar. But it's a minor point.felix said:FPT
Clearly it's all a bit subtle for you:)SouthamObserver said:
So you don't know what riposte means. Hint: you are probably best off not commenting on people's grammar on an internet message board.felix said:
Roflwmtita - as Corporal Jones put it - " they don't like it up em"SouthamObserver said:
If you are going to make clever comments about grammar, best to make sure you have riposted (!!!) accurately. You do know what riposte means, don't you?felix said:
Lol - even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte:)compouter2 said:Who has rubbished Populus. I have just given the last six poll. One polling company has two polls that give a significantly lower Labour lead than the three companies that have done four polls giving exactly the same results.
People can make their own mind up where the real situation lies.
What is wrong with this sentence?
"... even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte"
I cannae see it
"Your riposte was even funnier given the grammatical errors."
But each to their own. We all have our own style on forums of this type.
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I think it's "into" or "onto" = accusative, "in" or "on" ablative (or locative as appropriate).Morris_Dancer said:Mr. W, fora*
Second declension neuter accusative plural, old bean.
[Actually, I forget (from very limited knowledge to start with) whether on forums would be accusative or dative].0 -
The world is looking better indeed. Alistair Cook has just scored a century for Essex.0
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CrikeyJackW said:
It's a clumsy sentence. The construction is poor and the use of "when" is misplaced. Perhaps the following might been more appropriate :isam said:
Can you help me out?JackW said:
Agreed on both counts.isam said:
I am lost! I blame comprehensive education!JackW said:
No. In the poshest parts of Surrey "riposte" means to repost and the former is pronounced with the final "e" being silent.isam said:
What am I missing here? Doesn't "riposte" mean "respond with a clever remark"?SouthamObserver said:
Perhaps. All I know is that you don't understand what the word riposte means, so you made yourself look a bit silly using it when commenting on another poster's poor grammar. But it's a minor point.felix said:FPT
Clearly it's all a bit subtle for you:)SouthamObserver said:
So you don't know what riposte means. Hint: you are probably best off not commenting on people's grammar on an internet message board.felix said:
Roflwmtita - as Corporal Jones put it - " they don't like it up em"SouthamObserver said:
If you are going to make clever comments about grammar, best to make sure you have riposted (!!!) accurately. You do know what riposte means, don't you?felix said:
Lol - even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte:)compouter2 said:Who has rubbished Populus. I have just given the last six poll. One polling company has two polls that give a significantly lower Labour lead than the three companies that have done four polls giving exactly the same results.
People can make their own mind up where the real situation lies.
What is wrong with this sentence?
"... even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte"
I cannae see it
"Your riposte was even funnier given the grammatical errors."
But each to their own. We all have our own style on forums of this type.
Amazing the things some people like to get smart arsey about on here!
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Miss Carola, a friend of mine at school had a sprained wrist once. He got quite a lot of mockery for that.0
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Some points that have been missed.
Vince could be caretaker. He has been before after all. That would save the lib dems from the agony of choice and some of those leadership challengers who fear the Clegg toxicity is contagious might just want to wait and see if Vince rapidly becomes a toxic coalition sh*t magnet like Clegg now is.
A great many lib dem MPs do actually know how bad things are. Clegg's ostruch faction only ever succeed in deluding themselves. The reason so many lib dem MPs seem fine with things is the same reason so many tory MPs have been so unhappy. To keep the lib dem MPs onside they were give a great many of the available slots for jobs at a junior ministerial level and other 'perks' of that kind. They were in effect bought off and it has worked.
That also meant there was far less of that to go around for the tory MPs which partly explains why so many of them seem less than pleased with the chumocracy and the Cameroons.
Sooner or later those jobs end but for right now it's a far happier place to be to keep imagining things will all turn round for Clegg than to contemplate leaving those comfortable postings and possibly even stop being an MP altogether.
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You're missing nothing - Southam can't bear to have any of his lefty friends criticised - it might be cute if it wasn't so sad.isam said:
What am I missing here? Doesn't "riposte" mean "respond with a clever remark"?SouthamObserver said:
Perhaps. All I know is that you don't understand what the word riposte means, so you made yourself look a bit silly using it when commenting on another poster's poor grammar. But it's a minor point.felix said:FPT
Clearly it's all a bit subtle for you:)SouthamObserver said:
So you don't know what riposte means. Hint: you are probably best off not commenting on people's grammar on an internet message board.felix said:
Roflwmtita - as Corporal Jones put it - " they don't like it up em"SouthamObserver said:
If you are going to make clever comments about grammar, best to make sure you have riposted (!!!) accurately. You do know what riposte means, don't you?felix said:
Lol - even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte:)compouter2 said:Who has rubbished Populus. I have just given the last six poll. One polling company has two polls that give a significantly lower Labour lead than the three companies that have done four polls giving exactly the same results.
People can make their own mind up where the real situation lies.0 -
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There now appear to be as many as six Vince Cables. Hang on, who's this?
It's Vince Cable - slightly to the right of Anna Soubry but to the left of Dr Nick Palmer and Vince Cable.0 -
Yep, lads get a lot of that with wrist injuriesMorris_Dancer said:Miss Carola, a friend of mine at school had a sprained wrist once. He got quite a lot of mockery for that.
I've got a load of metal in my shoulder at the moment after a spectacular stairwell fall at the start of last summer (hopefully coming out at some point). I had months of: 'Were you pissed?' (no), and 'Better watch out for the security gate at the airport, hahahaha!' (wan smile)
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Anna Soubry is to the left of you.Sean_F said:
Broxtowe has had Europhile MPs for the last 40 years regardless of party - not sure we've ever differed on the issue. We also agree on gay marriage (pro), overseas aid (pro) and opposition to overturning the hunting ban, though I'm not sure that quite adds up to leftism (and I'm not sure if Browne is sound on hunting).NickPalmer said:
Rushcliffe or Sheffield HallamTheScreamingEagles said:
Is there a Tory constituency association that would want a leftish-leaning Europhile as its MP?
Less dangerous than her being behind you.
As Nigel Farage can attest.0 -
Mr. Grandiose, ah. I recalled one case was for movement and the other less so.0
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Miss Carola, I hope it's not too painful, and can be removed fairly soon.0
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Less dangerous than her being behind you.AveryLP said:
Anna Soubry is to the left of you.Sean_F said:
Broxtowe has had Europhile MPs for the last 40 years regardless of party - not sure we've ever differed on the issue. We also agree on gay marriage (pro), overseas aid (pro) and opposition to overturning the hunting ban, though I'm not sure that quite adds up to leftism (and I'm not sure if Browne is sound on hunting).NickPalmer said:
Rushcliffe or Sheffield HallamTheScreamingEagles said:
Is there a Tory constituency association that would want a leftish-leaning Europhile as its MP?
As Nigel Farage can attest.
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You put your finger on the problem there.
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Yep, that sounds about right for both of us!NickPalmer said:
Farron's big USP is that his fingerprints aren't on the Coalition. If that is judged to have been an unhappy experience with an unfortunate electoral outcome, then nobody who was involved - Alexander, Cable, Webb, Lamb, Browne etc. - will be able to compete with Farron's not-me-guv stance. It's quite possible that this will be the key factor in the next leadership selection, though it won't hurt with members that he's vaguely left of centre too.DavidL said:The only one of that lot that looks tempting to me is Steven Webb at 20-1. I have not seen that much of Tim Farron but what I have seen has been deeply unimpressive and well short of leadership level.
Steven Webb is your and my sort of choice - an impressive geek who is really interested in policy and doing stuff. His nearest counterpart is Oliver Letwin, and sadly they have roughly similar chances of becoming leaders.
I don't know if you saw my posts but I had great fun canvassing in Bridge of Don. By the afternoon I had been "promoted" and was responsible for running a team and collating the results which was rather less exciting.
During the morning I only got attacked by 1 dog (and it was quite small) and met a charming lady in her PJs who funnily enough did not seem totally engaged with my questions and seemed to want to be elsewhere. No real abuse from anyone. I may be hooked.
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Samisam said:
What am I missing here? Doesn't "riposte" mean "respond with a clever remark"?SouthamObserver said:
Perhaps. All I know is that you don't understand what the word riposte means, so you made yourself look a bit silly using it when commenting on another poster's poor grammar. But it's a minor point.felix said:FPT
Clearly it's all a bit subtle for you:)SouthamObserver said:
So you don't know what riposte means. Hint: you are probably best off not commenting on people's grammar on an internet message board.felix said:
Roflwmtita - as Corporal Jones put it - " they don't like it up em"SouthamObserver said:
If you are going to make clever comments about grammar, best to make sure you have riposted (!!!) accurately. You do know what riposte means, don't you?felix said:
Lol - even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte:)compouter2 said:Who has rubbished Populus. I have just given the last six poll. One polling company has two polls that give a significantly lower Labour lead than the three companies that have done four polls giving exactly the same results.
People can make their own mind up where the real situation lies.
That is its primary meaning today, both as a verb and noun, but its origin is as a fencing term, meaning a fast attack after a parry, similar to a counter-punch in boxing.
Here is how to do it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y98ukMekKdA
If fencing with SO, may I suggest you remove the blunt tip from the foil first.0 -
"Strained wrists" were commonplace when I was a lad, but now simply referred to I believe as "RSI".Morris_Dancer said:Miss Carola, a friend of mine at school had a sprained wrist once. He got quite a lot of mockery for that.
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BobaFett said:
After getting that bill she'll be Forever in Blue JeansTheScreamingEagles said:There's a lesson in here somewhere
Maths teacher's £2,600 phone bill for downloading Neil Diamond album
Katie Bryan downloaded the £8.99 album from iTunes whilst on holiday in South Africa, but roaming charges cost her far more
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/10764210/Maths-teachers-2600-phone-bill-for-downloading-Neil-Diamond-CD.html
LOL. Excellent.
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I had the distinct impression I had interrupted something and in true tabloid style made my excuses and left.BobaFett said:@DavidL
Is this another "confessions of a canvasser" story? I seem to recall both Sean Fear and Nick Palmer both encountering attractive women in their nightwear on their ventures with Jane Public
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Thanks - hope so... the metal's causing quite a lot of discomfort and I've not had a proper night's sleep with it for the best part of a year. Think I was stupid, with hindsight, to go straight back to work in the September. I had a number of injuries - A&E thought I'd been in a side impact car accident - but it could have been worse. Found out fairly recently that someone with a similar but less complex fracture was off for five months!Morris_Dancer said:Miss Carola, I hope it's not too painful, and can be removed fairly soon.
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Very little chance of Laws prevailing over Gove.Carola said:
Look who is right behind Gove. St. George concluding his speech to the 'American Enterprise Institute' at the IMF Annual Conference:
But there is one area of reform that I believe is more important for our long term prosperity than all the rest – that can deliver growth rather than stagnation and simultaneously ensure that the gains from growth are shared.
And that is education.
The education policies we’ve been implementing, led by our Education Secretary Michael Gove, have been influenced by, and reflect, the work of education reformers in the US and elsewhere around the world.
The pioneering work of Mike Bloomberg and Joel Klein in New York, Bobby Jindal in Louisiana, Bill Haslam in Tennessee, Mitch Daniels in Indiana and Jeb Bush in Florida has inspired our approach.
You have – quite rightly – identified schools reform as the civil rights issue of our time.
The emphasis the AEI has placed on policies to advance greater social justice is nowhere clearer than in your work on education.
In both our countries poor children are disproportionately likely to go to poor schools.
In both our countries inequality is perpetuated by a lack of educational opportunity for disadvantaged children.
And in the United Kingdom we are creating the British equivalent of charters – academies and free schools – to provide disadvantaged children with greater opportunities than ever before.
A majority of our secondary schools – broadly equivalent to US high schools – are now academies.
And even though our nation is a sixth the size of the US, we have more students in total in academies and free schools in the UK than there are children in charters in the US.
This is a revolutionary breakthrough in extending school autonomy – and parental choice.
We are also following in the footsteps of the great work being done in the US – from Tennessee to D.C – to ensure that teachers are properly evaluated on the impact they make in the classroom and rewarded for good performance.
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If Jeremy Browne is indeed considering mounting a leadership challenge (rather than simply defecting to the Tories), then surely he is doing so as a stalking horse.
If that is the case, who is the real candidate? Answer that and it might be possible to make a few bob.0 -
Yep, everything's rosy Ave. Gove will be leaving quite a legacy. I'm sure he'll be remembered for it.0
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True tabloid style would have involved you offering a couple of grand, calling up a photographer and getting the neighbours involved.DavidL said:
I had the distinct impression I had interrupted something and in true tabloid style made my excuses and left.BobaFett said:@DavidL
Is this another "confessions of a canvasser" story? I seem to recall both Sean Fear and Nick Palmer both encountering attractive women in their nightwear on their ventures with Jane Public
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Spot on - although of course the pen is mightier than the sword:)AveryLP said:
Samisam said:
What am I missing here? Doesn't "riposte" mean "respond with a clever remark"?SouthamObserver said:
Perhaps. All I know is that you don't understand what the word riposte means, so you made yourself look a bit silly using it when commenting on another poster's poor grammar. But it's a minor point.felix said:FPT
Clearly it's all a bit subtle for you:)SouthamObserver said:
So you don't know what riposte means. Hint: you are probably best off not commenting on people's grammar on an internet message board.felix said:
Roflwmtita - as Corporal Jones put it - " they don't like it up em"SouthamObserver said:
If you are going to make clever comments about grammar, best to make sure you have riposted (!!!) accurately. You do know what riposte means, don't you?felix said:
Lol - even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte:)compouter2 said:Who has rubbished Populus. I have just given the last six poll. One polling company has two polls that give a significantly lower Labour lead than the three companies that have done four polls giving exactly the same results.
People can make their own mind up where the real situation lies.
That is its primary meaning today, both as a verb and noun, but its origin is as a fencing term, meaning a fast attack after a parry, similar to a counter-punch in boxing.
Here is how to do it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y98ukMekKdA
If fencing with SO, may I suggest you remove the blunt tip from the foil first.
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Don't know what that makes the Scots - this analysis suggests that the comparable figure for Scotland is 23% ... to be honest, I think some of that may be 'no data', Unfortunately I can't get the charts to view on my PC, just the map.MonikerDiCanio said:
It should come as no surprise. It's well-known that the English are the most tolerant and open-minded people in the world.Easterross said:Afternoon all and with this talk about Scots in English seats and English in Scots seats, I was recently stunned to realise roughly 1 in 10 English MPs is actually a Scots man or woman i.e. born in Scotland. Lots of Labour MPs you wouldn't immediately think of as being Scottish and a few Tories too.
Edit] Rather more relevantly to the original question, it may have the data in the charts (or may not).
http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/53041/1/Richard Berry-democraticaudit.com-MPs_are_much_less_local.pdf
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I think he's running for himself tbh. Trying to take advantage of being outside the government and the freedom that brings.peter_from_putney said:Back on topic -
If Jeremy Browne is indeed considering mounting a leadership challenge (rather than simply defecting to the Tories), then surely he is doing so as a stalking horse.
If that is the case, who is the real candidate? Answer that and it might be possible to make a few bob.
He may end up being the stalking horse, but I think his intention is to take a longshot at being either the leader or at least enough of a contender (trying to take the Anyone but Farron support at least).0 -
Miss Carola, my sympathies.
I've never been properly wounded, thankfully, but I recall especially bad sleep really having a bad effect on my waking hours.0 -
Have heard a well sourced rumour about a currently undeclared candidate for the Democratic nomination. Who's best to bet with for something like that?peter_from_putney said:
Ah, but men age more quickly than women [sob], so he's really around 10 years older than HRC. Furthermore, probably on age grounds, she won't be the next POTUS.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oops, I meant, Vince Cable is only four years older than the next President of the United States of America, Hillary Clinton.JackW said:
So Vince has an older doppelganger .... damn cunning these yellow peril folk ....TheScreamingEagles said:
It was no pup.He was 25/1, he's now as low as 10/1.peter_from_putney said:TSE - your betting on the next LibDem leader shows certain St.johnian tendencies, aka covering the field. If I sold you a pup by suggesting Danny Alexander, I could certainly have saved you a few bob by dissuading you from investing in Vince Cable. Read my lips ..... FAR TOO OLD.
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I'm not sure that "riposte" could/should be used as a verb. It's the same as repartee - a noun describing an action from an epee duelJackW said:
It's a clumsy sentence. The construction is poor and the use of "when" is misplaced. Perhaps the following might been more appropriate :isam said:
Can you help me out?JackW said:
Agreed on both counts.isam said:
I am lost! I blame comprehensive education!JackW said:
No. In the poshest parts of Surrey "riposte" means to repost and the former is pronounced with the final "e" being silent.isam said:
What am I missing here? Doesn't "riposte" mean "respond with a clever remark"?SouthamObserver said:
Perhaps. All I know is that you don't understand what the word riposte means, so you made yourself look a bit silly using it when commenting on another poster's poor grammar. But it's a minor point.felix said:FPT
Clearly it's all a bit subtle for you:)SouthamObserver said:
So you don't know what riposte means. Hint: you are probably best off not commenting on people's grammar on an internet message board.felix said:
Roflwmtita - as Corporal Jones put it - " they don't like it up em"SouthamObserver said:
If you are going to make clever comments about grammar, best to make sure you have riposted (!!!) accurately. You do know what riposte means, don't you?felix said:
Lol - even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte:)compouter2 said:Who has rubbished Populus. I have just given the last six poll. One polling company has two polls that give a significantly lower Labour lead than the three companies that have done four polls giving exactly the same results.
People can make their own mind up where the real situation lies.
What is wrong with this sentence?
"... even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte"
I cannae see it
"Your riposte was even funnier given the grammatical errors."
But each to their own. We all have our own style on forums of this type.0 -
Riposte can be either noun or verb I believe, similar to parry.Charles said:
I'm not sure that "riposte" could/should be used as a verb. It's the same as repartee - a noun describing an action from an epee duelJackW said:
It's a clumsy sentence. The construction is poor and the use of "when" is misplaced. Perhaps the following might been more appropriate :isam said:
Can you help me out?JackW said:
Agreed on both counts.isam said:
I am lost! I blame comprehensive education!JackW said:
No. In the poshest parts of Surrey "riposte" means to repost and the former is pronounced with the final "e" being silent.isam said:
What am I missing here? Doesn't "riposte" mean "respond with a clever remark"?SouthamObserver said:
Perhaps. All I know is that you don't understand what the word riposte means, so you made yourself look a bit silly using it when commenting on another poster's poor grammar. But it's a minor point.felix said:FPT
Clearly it's all a bit subtle for you:)SouthamObserver said:
So you don't know what riposte means. Hint: you are probably best off not commenting on people's grammar on an internet message board.felix said:
Roflwmtita - as Corporal Jones put it - " they don't like it up em"SouthamObserver said:
If you are going to make clever comments about grammar, best to make sure you have riposted (!!!) accurately. You do know what riposte means, don't you?felix said:
Lol - even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte:)compouter2 said:Who has rubbished Populus. I have just given the last six poll. One polling company has two polls that give a significantly lower Labour lead than the three companies that have done four polls giving exactly the same results.
People can make their own mind up where the real situation lies.
What is wrong with this sentence?
"... even funnier seeing the grammatical errors when you rush to riposte"
I cannae see it
"Your riposte was even funnier given the grammatical errors."
But each to their own. We all have our own style on forums of this type.0 -
Simply check out the best prices on Oddschecker (preferably passing on the candidate's name to me beforehand). If he/she doesn't yet appear in the betting, either write off the "tip" as nonsense or ask that nice Mr. Shadsy to offer you some nice long odds.Charles said:
Have heard a well sourced rumour about a currently undeclared candidate for the Democratic nomination. Who's best to bet with for something like that?peter_from_putney said:
Ah, but men age more quickly than women [sob], so he's really around 10 years older than HRC. Furthermore, probably on age grounds, she won't be the next POTUS.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oops, I meant, Vince Cable is only four years older than the next President of the United States of America, Hillary Clinton.JackW said:
So Vince has an older doppelganger .... damn cunning these yellow peril folk ....TheScreamingEagles said:
It was no pup.He was 25/1, he's now as low as 10/1.peter_from_putney said:TSE - your betting on the next LibDem leader shows certain St.johnian tendencies, aka covering the field. If I sold you a pup by suggesting Danny Alexander, I could certainly have saved you a few bob by dissuading you from investing in Vince Cable. Read my lips ..... FAR TOO OLD.
Cable's age is no barrier, he's only four years older than Vince Cable.0 -
If it's Eva Longoria, then Paddy PowerCharles said:
Have heard a well sourced rumour about a currently undeclared candidate for the Democratic nomination. Who's best to bet with for something like that?peter_from_putney said:
Ah, but men age more quickly than women [sob], so he's really around 10 years older than HRC. Furthermore, probably on age grounds, she won't be the next POTUS.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oops, I meant, Vince Cable is only four years older than the next President of the United States of America, Hillary Clinton.JackW said:
So Vince has an older doppelganger .... damn cunning these yellow peril folk ....TheScreamingEagles said:
It was no pup.He was 25/1, he's now as low as 10/1.peter_from_putney said:TSE - your betting on the next LibDem leader shows certain St.johnian tendencies, aka covering the field. If I sold you a pup by suggesting Danny Alexander, I could certainly have saved you a few bob by dissuading you from investing in Vince Cable. Read my lips ..... FAR TOO OLD.
Cable's age is no barrier, he's only four years older than Vince Cable.
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/democrat-candidate0 -
Put up job?peter_from_putney said:Back on topic -
If Jeremy Browne is indeed considering mounting a leadership challenge (rather than simply defecting to the Tories), then surely he is doing so as a stalking horse.
If that is the case, who is the real candidate? Answer that and it might be possible to make a few bob.
Everyone's talking about him now. No proper speculation about any of the real candidates. They'll all be Jonnie-come-latelies if they do start0 -
According to news reports no. 20 Grosvenor Square has partially collapsed.0
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Broxtowe has had Europhile MPs for the last 40 years regardless of party - not sure we've ever differed on the issue. We also agree on gay marriage (pro), overseas aid (pro) and opposition to overturning the hunting ban, though I'm not sure that quite adds up to leftism (and I'm not sure if Browne is sound on hunting).NickPalmer said:
Rushcliffe or Sheffield HallamTheScreamingEagles said:
Is there a Tory constituency association that would want a leftish-leaning Europhile as its MP?
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It's nonsense from someone who has just joined a presidential committee...peter_from_putney said:
Simply check out the best prices on Oddschecker (preferably passing on the candidate's name to me beforehand). If he/she doesn't yet appear in the betting, either write off the "tip" as nonsense or ask that nice Mr. Shadsy to offer you some nice long odds.Charles said:
Have heard a well sourced rumour about a currently undeclared candidate for the Democratic nomination. Who's best to bet with for something like that?peter_from_putney said:
Ah, but men age more quickly than women [sob], so he's really around 10 years older than HRC. Furthermore, probably on age grounds, she won't be the next POTUS.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oops, I meant, Vince Cable is only four years older than the next President of the United States of America, Hillary Clinton.JackW said:
So Vince has an older doppelganger .... damn cunning these yellow peril folk ....TheScreamingEagles said:
It was no pup.He was 25/1, he's now as low as 10/1.peter_from_putney said:TSE - your betting on the next LibDem leader shows certain St.johnian tendencies, aka covering the field. If I sold you a pup by suggesting Danny Alexander, I could certainly have saved you a few bob by dissuading you from investing in Vince Cable. Read my lips ..... FAR TOO OLD.
Cable's age is no barrier, he's only four years older than Vince Cable.0 -
Former European HQ of US Naval Department, sold in 2009 for £250 million and currently being redeveloped. Also Eisenhower's HQ during WWII.AndyJS said:According to news reports no. 20 Grosvenor Square has partially collapsed.
Suspect a construction error rather than collapse through natural deterioration.
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You could argue that that actually makes things easier for Gove not harder. Academies are directly under his funding control and hence he can change priorities without middle tiers (local authorities) interfering...AveryLP said:
And even though our nation is a sixth the size of the US, we have more students in total in academies and free schools in the UK than there are children in charters in the US.
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Support for Tories falls as post-budget boost is deflated after Maria Miller row
Guardian/ICM polls finds Conservatives down three points at 32%, with Labour on 37%, Lib Dems on 12% and UKip on 11%
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/14/support-tories-falls-budget-boost-deflated-maria-miller-row?CMP=twt_fd0 -
From a quick searchAveryLP said:
Former European HQ of US Naval Department, sold in 2009 for £250 million and currently being redeveloped. Also Eisenhower's HQ during WWII.AndyJS said:According to news reports no. 20 Grosvenor Square has partially collapsed.
Suspect a construction error rather than collapse through natural deterioration.
Big lawsuits to follow!
This also marks the expansion of Finchatton’s luxury portfolio, having previously focused on small to medium developments and private commissions, 20 Grosvenor Square will be a great step for them. Also with values expected to achieve around £6,000 per sq ft 20 Grosvenor Square could prove to be a highly lucrative development for Finchatton.0 -
Well yes, I can certainly see the merit in that - Farron certainly isn't everyone's cup of tea.corporeal said:peter_from_putney said:Back on topic -
If Jeremy Browne is indeed considering mounting a leadership challenge (rather than simply defecting to the Tories), then surely he is doing so as a stalking horse.
If that is the case, who is the real candidate? Answer that and it might be possible to make a few bob.
...... I think his intention is to take a longshot at being either the leader or at least enough of a contender (trying to take the Anyone but Farron support at least).
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Changes on VI
Lab 37 (-1)
Con 32 (-3)
LD 12 (nc)
UKIP 11 (+2)0 -
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Lab 36 (+1)
Con 25 (nc)
UKIP 20 (nc)
LD 6 (-3)
Green 6 (-1)
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Or they join in.JackW said:
True tabloid style would have involved you offering a couple of grand, calling up a photographer and getting the neighbours involved.DavidL said:
I had the distinct impression I had interrupted something and in true tabloid style made my excuses and left.BobaFett said:@DavidL
Is this another "confessions of a canvasser" story? I seem to recall both Sean Fear and Nick Palmer both encountering attractive women in their nightwear on their ventures with Jane Public
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According to this poll support for Labour is going to rise from 15.7% to 36%. That's a pretty big increase in the space of one election.TheScreamingEagles said:Guardian ICM EUROS poll
Lab 36 (+1)
Con 25 (nc)
UKIP 20 (nc)
LD 6 (-3)
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Poor timing for the Cons on the ICM ref the budget and Miller - them's the breaks.TheScreamingEagles said:Support for Tories falls as post-budget boost is deflated after Maria Miller row
Guardian/ICM polls finds Conservatives down three points at 32%, with Labour on 37%, Lib Dems on 12% and UKip on 11%
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/14/support-tories-falls-budget-boost-deflated-maria-miller-row?CMP=twt_fd
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LD 5th spot a possibility ?TheScreamingEagles said:Guardian ICM EUROS poll
Lab 36 (+1)
Con 25 (nc)
UKIP 20 (nc)
LD 6 (-3)
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Disappointing ICM poll for Con.
The Wiki polling graph was updated yesterday and the Lab line is now showing a pretty solid, consistent downtrend.
The latest Con move is also down but only very marginally - Con is essentially flat over the last 6 months.
But that Lab line gives quite a bit of encouragement for Con.
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Aye, interesting Labour also fellTGOHF said:
Poor timing for the Cons on the ICM ref the budget and Miller - them's the breaks.TheScreamingEagles said:Support for Tories falls as post-budget boost is deflated after Maria Miller row
Guardian/ICM polls finds Conservatives down three points at 32%, with Labour on 37%, Lib Dems on 12% and UKip on 11%
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/14/support-tories-falls-budget-boost-deflated-maria-miller-row?CMP=twt_fd0 -
ICM Euros poll - UKIP figure looks quite a way out of line.
I've posted this before but I think a key issue in Euros polling is how the question is asked - in particular if people asked GE voting intention first and then Euros afterwards it is a subconscious prompt to give a different answer.
So is ICM asking the Euros question in a different way to other pollsters?
The "correct" way to poll the Euros is one question - ie how will you vote in the Euros - with no mention at all of GE.0 -
Fine print says that it's without the usual ICM modifications that assume doubters return to their parties and Labour would otherwise be marginally higher:AndyJS said:
According to this poll support for Labour is going to rise from 15.7% to 36%. That's a pretty big increase in the space of one election.TheScreamingEagles said:Guardian ICM EUROS poll
Lab 36 (+1)
Con 25 (nc)
UKIP 20 (nc)
LD 6 (-3)
Green 6 (-1)
Others 7 (+3)
The poll's headline findings may appear to suggest that Labour supporters for Westminster are more inclined to stay loyal to their party than for the European vote, but this seeming difference is produced by ICM's adjustments to the Westminster figures, which assume that many voters who refuse to say how they will vote next time but do report what they did last time, will revert to type. History suggests that this adjustment works well for Westminster, but the approach does not transfer so well to other elections. Without the adjustment, very similar proportions of Labour (87%) and Conservatives (84%) indicate they will stick with their party in the European ballots.
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I'm sort of guest editing the site over the next couple of days, I'm hoping to do a piece trying to explain why there are such differences between the pollsters.isam said:The spread of numbers from the different pollsters for the Euros is bizarrely disparate
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I think ICM is right, incidentally - I'm meeting quite a few voters who say they'll vote Labour next year but UKIP now.
The general shifts are in line with the other polls - UKIP up a bit in Westminster at Tory expense, Labour largely unchanged.0 -
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The other thing to remember about this leadership 'speculation' is that calamity Clegg and his media idiots/spinners are exceedingly stupid.
They've 'floated' leadership names before to the press to try to nullify them as a threat and paint them as untrustworthy and disloyal. Farron has seen plenty of this as has Vince. Now it would seem that anyone who could be a possible threat on the right is getting 'the treatment' as a desperate Clegg tries to gloss over his own extraordinary failure over Farage and keep himself safe.
Problem is if you cry wolf long enough then sooner or later what becomes the story isn't WHO wants to replace Clegg but WHY he hasn't he been replaced already?
The more leadership speculation there is then the less people will care about 'loyalty' or shifting the blame away from a self-evidently toxic Clegg.
You know who didn't make a calamitous fool of themselves with a Farage 'master strategy'? Every single one of those leadership replacement names including Browne and Ed Davey.
(though to be fair since wee Danny is in the quad and so close to Clegg it's inconceivable he didn't give it the green light and think it was a great idea, as usual)0
