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bookseller said:

kyf_100 said:

Quincel said:

Stark_Dawning said:

The Tories are looking like a bunch of headless chickens at present. The irony is that the government's record on environmental issues isn't too bad, so Boris could have reeled off a few achievements, declared there's more to do and got off relatively unscathed. The Tories let their hatred of Jon Snow and CH4 cloud their judgement.

I agree, and since he's not been in post long he could have disavowed any bad bits of the government record and promised better in future for that.

I think people outside the leftie/middle-class/twitter bubble might be quite surprised at what most people think about "environmental issues".

Greta Thunberg is just a joke meme ("How dare you!") and Extinction Rebellion are those people who finally got what was coming to them when they got dragged off the top of that tube carriage.

As others have pointed out it wasn't a debate tonight, it was a holier-than-thou smugfest and Boris made the right decision staying out of it.

Thank goodness for that then. So glad that the vast majority of the world's scientists are simply inside the leftie/Twitter/middle class bubble...

El_Capitano said:

egg said:

Byronic said:

Sitting by a swimming pool sippin’ gin, watching the sun set over the jungle. Bob Marley blasting out. I can see hummingbirds from my bar stool.

Britain ain’t so bad. Life is sweet. Cheer up everyone.

That’s not the post of someone properly drunk.
Now our old poster Seant really knew how to live hard. By now he’d be taking a monkey off Bob at dominoes and smoking a hummingbird.

Yeah, but according to SeanT's Twitter, he's in Paraguay at the moment and there, er, ain't no hummingbirds in, er, Paraguay, wait, am I doing this right.

IanB2 said:

Mexicanpete said:

Boris has every right to pass on the debates whilst he is heading for his landslide. PB Tories claiming he really wants to do them but is busy and has every right to send surrogates, and everyone else is just ganging up on him is laughable.
Boris shouldn't do debates or interviews because he is useless at them.

We know he doesn’t do detail, nor is he a ideas man, his honesty and integrity fail every test, and he can’t debate or do interviews. One wonders what qualities he actually has that match anything on the person specification for the job.

Polruan said:

welshowl said:

Polruan said:

alex_ said:

Polruan said:

alex_ said:

Wonder if the Daily Mail might run on Corbyn’s “forced eco work to your home” policy? Objectively I think it would cost him millions of vote. Although personally as somebody who fears Corbyn it is one thing I would be utterly relaxed about as it is a policy I am sure would never be enacted in a million years.

"Evil socialists in threatening to make your house better for free shock"?

If it’s a loan it’s not free Izzit?

I assumed it was the standard model where you get a loan which is repaid with money left over from the savings generated by the energy saving measures (similar to how Green Deal was meant to work circa 2011) - so nets out as free money. I've not had time to look at the details though, is that assumption wrong?

How do you measure the “savings” from double glazing?
Does the householder have to do the admin?
Who pays to redecorate?
How green is it to replace windows that are less efficient but might have twenty years of life left? Is there the capacity to make them?
More squillions to be paid for by debt.
It’s a con man’s charter. Govt sanctioned inspections and access to houses? How do you protect the vulnerable from those wishing to do harm by taking advantage?
What if I don’t want any of the arse ache this involves? Especially if I’m old and I’m going to get all the grief if having it done and precious few of the benefits?

It’s posturing and bonkers.

Traditionally I think savings are measured by taking the difference between the heating bill before the work and the heating bill after, assuming constant energy prices and maintaining the same temperature.

It's a fair question about the lifespan of less efficient windows. I looked at it when we insulated our house 5 years ago and i think it's a pretty quick net benefit taking into account manufacture and fitting, but can't quote figures.

In terms of getting old and missing out on benefits, it *should* increase value of your house I guess, so ignoring frivolities like environmental benefits for subsequent generations there's a financial gain.

IshmaelZ said:

bigjohnowls said:

lewis_goodall

I think if we read a story about another country where a national political leader threatened to pull a broadcaster’s licence because he didn’t like their coverage, we know what our reaction would be.

"Sky News was forced to cancel a leaders’ debate on Thursday after Mr Corbyn refused to sign up to the programme, and a seven-way debate between party leaders on the BBC on Friday night will feature Rebecca Long-Bailey, the shadow business secretary, in Mr Corbyn’s place."

AHAHAHAHAHAHA You were saying about leaders sending substitutes to leaders debates? See whist grown up broadcasters do? They accept a substitute or they cancel.

Yet the yebbutthatsdifferents begin.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

Mexicanpete said:

Boris has every right to pass on the debates whilst he is heading for his landslide. PB Tories claiming he really wants to do them but is busy and has every right to send surrogates, and everyone else is just ganging up on him is laughable.
Boris shouldn't do debates or interviews because he is useless at them.

We know he doesn’t do detail, nor is he a ideas man, his honesty and integrity fail every test, and he can’t debate or do interviews. One wonders what qualities he actually has that match anything on the person specification for the job.

He is not Corbyn is all that matters !!!

SandyRentool said:

I suppose Bozo will say that he is too busy meeting voters, and then spend the day stood in front of his bus in a warehouse with a dozen HYUFD clones forming his claque.

'Are you Tezzie in disguise?'

Nigelb said:

welshowl said:

Polruan said:

alex_ said:

Wonder if the Daily Mail might run on Corbyn’s “forced eco work to your home” policy? Objectively I think it would cost him millions of vote. Although personally as somebody who fears Corbyn it is one thing I would be utterly relaxed about as it is a policy I am sure would never be enacted in a million years.

"Evil socialists in threatening to make your house better for free shock"?

Govt dicking about with my home, enforcing entry into it by people I don’t know and don’t want, to impose a loan I don’t want, to then set up admin I have to deal with to monitor “savings”.
They can fuck right off.

More likely would be the introduction of new building regs mandating zero carbon footprint for all new buildings, and a stiff carbon tax to make it worth your while to sort out your home yourself. With the offer of a loan, perhaps.
Or some new council tax bands graded by energy efficiency...

murali_s said:

SandyRentool said:

Jeremy Hunt wouldn't have dodged the Neil interview or the debate.

You picked the wrong guy, Tories.

Night all.

Indeed. Whatever you say about Jeremy Hunt, he's not a mendacious disingenuous racist cowardly buffoon.

How in the name of hell, has it come to this?

murali_s said:

SandyRentool said:

Jeremy Hunt wouldn't have dodged the Neil interview or the debate.

You picked the wrong guy, Tories.

Night all.

Indeed. Whatever you say about Jeremy Hunt, he's not a mendacious disingenuous racist cowardly buffoon.

How in the name of hell, has it come to this?

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Is Johnson still too afraid to be interviewed by Andrew Neil? How can this fat lazy coward think he can be trusted run the country if he can't go head to head with a journalist? He's just afraid of being found out for the over privileged, pig ignorant waste of space that he is. Pathetic.

Byronic said:

Sitting by a swimming pool sippin’ gin, watching the sun set over the jungle. Bob Marley blasting out. I can see hummingbirds from my bar stool.

Britain ain’t so bad. Life is sweet. Cheer up everyone.

ozymandias said:

Nigelb said:

welshowl said:

Polruan said:

alex_ said:

Wonder if the Daily Mail might run on Corbyn’s “forced eco work to your home” policy? Objectively I think it would cost him millions of vote. Although personally as somebody who fears Corbyn it is one thing I would be utterly relaxed about as it is a policy I am sure would never be enacted in a million years.

"Evil socialists in threatening to make your house better for free shock"?

Govt dicking about with my home, enforcing entry into it by people I don’t know and don’t want, to impose a loan I don’t want, to then set up admin I have to deal with to monitor “savings”.
They can fuck right off.

More likely would be the introduction of new building regs mandating zero carbon footprint for all new buildings, and a stiff carbon tax to make it worth your while to sort out your home yourself. With the offer of a loan, perhaps.
Or some new council tax bands graded by energy efficiency...

And after the HIP debacle from Brown which was as popular as super Gonorrhoea - you think this will go down well?

Big_G_NorthWales said:

MarqueeMark said:

SandyRentool said:

I suppose Bozo will say that he is too busy meeting voters, and then spend the day stood in front of his bus in a warehouse with a dozen HYUFD clones forming his claque.

'Are you Tezzie in disguise?'

No.

Boris has a lovely dog.

No Carrie has a lovely dog

SunnyJim said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

And Trump on the 6th December which will be interesting

Trump's visit needs very careful handling and i'm hoping it will be impressed on him that there is very little he can say that will be helpful to the Tories.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ozymandias said:

Nigelb said:

welshowl said:

Polruan said:

alex_ said:

Wonder if the Daily Mail might run on Corbyn’s “forced eco work to your home” policy? Objectively I think it would cost him millions of vote. Although personally as somebody who fears Corbyn it is one thing I would be utterly relaxed about as it is a policy I am sure would never be enacted in a million years.

"Evil socialists in threatening to make your house better for free shock"?

Govt dicking about with my home, enforcing entry into it by people I don’t know and don’t want, to impose a loan I don’t want, to then set up admin I have to deal with to monitor “savings”.
They can fuck right off.

More likely would be the introduction of new building regs mandating zero carbon footprint for all new buildings, and a stiff carbon tax to make it worth your while to sort out your home yourself. With the offer of a loan, perhaps.
Or some new council tax bands graded by energy efficiency...

And after the HIP debacle from Brown which was as popular as super Gonorrhoea - you think this will go down well?

HIPs were Coopers disaster. I was involved in a lot of meetings with the DCLG trying to make them see sense but stupid does not start to cover their deafness

murali_s said:

SandyRentool said:

Jeremy Hunt wouldn't have dodged the Neil interview or the debate.

You picked the wrong guy, Tories.

Night all.

Indeed. Whatever you say about Jeremy Hunt, he's not a mendacious disingenuous racist cowardly buffoon.

How in the name of hell, has it come to this?

Sunil_Prasannan said:

MarqueeMark said:

Interesting though that whoever is running Labour's campaign has laid down that they can't have their guy skewered any more in debates.
2017 - Corbyn is in front of massive crowds in football stadiums
2019 - Corbyn has been locked under the stairs....

Corbyn turned up to the debate tonight, unlike your hero

Sunil_Prasannan said:

MarqueeMark said:

Interesting though that whoever is running Labour's campaign has laid down that they can't have their guy skewered any more in debates.
2017 - Corbyn is in front of massive crowds in football stadiums
2019 - Corbyn has been locked under the stairs....

Corbyn turned up to the debate tonight, unlike your hero

MarqueeMark said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

MarqueeMark said:

SandyRentool said:

I suppose Bozo will say that he is too busy meeting voters, and then spend the day stood in front of his bus in a warehouse with a dozen HYUFD clones forming his claque.

'Are you Tezzie in disguise?'

No.

Boris has a lovely dog.

No Carrie has a lovely dog

I quizzed Carrie yesterday on this. The dog is very much both of theirs dog - he doesn't favour one of them over the other. Although Boris is the one who gets up at 6.00am to play with it in the garden.

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Is Johnson still too afraid to be interviewed by Andrew Neil? How can this fat lazy coward think he can be trusted run the country if he can't go head to head with a journalist? He's just afraid of being found out for the over privileged, pig ignorant waste of space that he is. Pathetic.

dr_spyn said:

https://twitter.com/BenKentish/status/1200175298425348097

MarqueeMark said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

MarqueeMark said:

SandyRentool said:

I suppose Bozo will say that he is too busy meeting voters, and then spend the day stood in front of his bus in a warehouse with a dozen HYUFD clones forming his claque.

'Are you Tezzie in disguise?'

No.

Boris has a lovely dog.

No Carrie has a lovely dog

I quizzed Carrie yesterday on this. The dog is very much both of theirs dog - he doesn't favour one of them over the other. Although Boris is the one who gets up at 6.00am to play with it in the garden.

nico67 said:

ozymandias said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

MarqueeMark said:

Interesting though that whoever is running Labour's campaign has laid down that they can't have their guy skewered any more in debates.
2017 - Corbyn is in front of massive crowds in football stadiums
2019 - Corbyn has been locked under the stairs....

Corbyn turned up to the debate tonight, unlike your hero

Excellent. Did they solve climate change in their debate?

It wasn't on the news if they did

No but Bozos no show was and his pathetic attempt to avoid the AN interview . No 10 better start threatening the BBC now !

nico67 said:

ozymandias said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

MarqueeMark said:

Interesting though that whoever is running Labour's campaign has laid down that they can't have their guy skewered any more in debates.
2017 - Corbyn is in front of massive crowds in football stadiums
2019 - Corbyn has been locked under the stairs....

Corbyn turned up to the debate tonight, unlike your hero

Excellent. Did they solve climate change in their debate?

It wasn't on the news if they did

No but Bozos no show was and his pathetic attempt to avoid the AN interview . No 10 better start threatening the BBC now !

MarqueeMark said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Is Johnson still too afraid to be interviewed by Andrew Neil? How can this fat lazy coward think he can be trusted run the country if he can't go head to head with a journalist? He's just afraid of being found out for the over privileged, pig ignorant waste of space that he is. Pathetic.

Well, he observed that your guy got found out by AN for being the innumerate, pig ignorant waste of space that he is. Not Boris's fault that Corbyn appeared before either he or Jo Swinson had signed up (as I reported on here yesterday).
I still expect he'll do it, but Boris's team must be enjoying for now the anger that he might not have to get skewered is generating at the top of Labour...

Sunil_Prasannan said:

MarqueeMark said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

MarqueeMark said:

SandyRentool said:

I suppose Bozo will say that he is too busy meeting voters, and then spend the day stood in front of his bus in a warehouse with a dozen HYUFD clones forming his claque.

'Are you Tezzie in disguise?'

No.

Boris has a lovely dog.

No Carrie has a lovely dog

I quizzed Carrie yesterday on this. The dog is very much both of theirs dog - he doesn't favour one of them over the other. Although Boris is the one who gets up at 6.00am to play with it in the garden.

Oo-er, Missus!

OnlyLivingBoy said:

MarqueeMark said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

MarqueeMark said:

SandyRentool said:

I suppose Bozo will say that he is too busy meeting voters, and then spend the day stood in front of his bus in a warehouse with a dozen HYUFD clones forming his claque.

'Are you Tezzie in disguise?'

No.

Boris has a lovely dog.

No Carrie has a lovely dog

I quizzed Carrie yesterday on this. The dog is very much both of theirs dog - he doesn't favour one of them over the other. Although Boris is the one who gets up at 6.00am to play with it in the garden.

Nobody gives a shit about the fucking dog.

welshowl said:

Polruan said:

alex_ said:

Polruan said:

alex_ said:

Wonder if the Daily Mail might run on Corbyn’s “forced eco work to your home” policy? Objectively I think it would cost him millions of vote. Although personally as somebody who fears Corbyn it is one thing I would be utterly relaxed about as it is a policy I am sure would never be enacted in a million years.

"Evil socialists in threatening to make your house better for free shock"?

If it’s a loan it’s not free Izzit?

I assumed it was the standard model where you get a loan which is repaid with money left over from the savings generated by the energy saving measures (similar to how Green Deal was meant to work circa 2011) - so nets out as free money. I've not had time to look at the details though, is that assumption wrong?

How do you measure the “savings” from double glazing?
Does the householder have to do the admin?
Who pays to redecorate?
How green is it to replace windows that are less efficient but might have twenty years of life left? Is there the capacity to make them?
More squillions to be paid for by debt.
It’s a con man’s charter. Govt sanctioned inspections and access to houses? How do you protect the vulnerable from those wishing to do harm by taking advantage?
What if I don’t want any of the arse ache this involves? Especially if I’m old and I’m going to get all the grief if having it done and precious few of the benefits?

It’s posturing and bonkers.

Nigelb said:

Charles said:

Nigelb said:

MarqueeMark said:

I reserved a place for Boris on my pub quiz tonight. But he never turned up. The bastard. Must have been afraid we would rip the piss out of him about his lack of knowledge on 80s music.....
Why the fuck should Boris dance to Channel 4 News' tune, any more than he should turn up for my quiz team? He has a schedule to run and being in the West Country then Wales has been set up in the diary.
Trying to make capital out of a declined invite (declined because Boris had other stuff already scheduled) is pretty thin gruel from Channel 4. I hope every constituency party invite Jon Snow to answer them about it - then writes and tells him he is a complete and utter c*** when he doesn't turn up....

Of course he’s entitled to decline. Just as C4 are entitled to turn down a surrogate, and we are entitled to draw out conclusions about how much of a shit he gives about climate change.

That’s the point: C4 can’t specify who attends. They have to offer the Tories equal representation

And yet you were arguing precisely the opposite for the Corbyn/Johnson debate.

NorthernPowerhouse said:

Disgraceful behaviour by CH4. Tories should have been sharper and got a court order to stop the broadcast.

DerekTrotter said:

SNP heading down that dark republican path even further.

https://twitter.com/peteradamsmith/status/1200181552501710848?s=21

KentRising said:

MarqueeMark said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

MarqueeMark said:

SandyRentool said:

I suppose Bozo will say that he is too busy meeting voters, and then spend the day stood in front of his bus in a warehouse with a dozen HYUFD clones forming his claque.

'Are you Tezzie in disguise?'

No.

Boris has a lovely dog.

No Carrie has a lovely dog

I quizzed Carrie yesterday on this. The dog is very much both of theirs dog - he doesn't favour one of them over the other. Although Boris is the one who gets up at 6.00am to play with it in the garden.

Question: is he well-behaved (Dilyn, not Boris)? Asking for my fiancée, who thinks he's so cute (Dilyn, not Boris).

funkhauser said:

DerekTrotter said:

SNP heading down that dark republican path even further.

https://twitter.com/peteradamsmith/status/1200181552501710848?s=21

I thought she was leaving soon, why is she bothered about the monarchy?

Foxy said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

MarqueeMark said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

MarqueeMark said:

SandyRentool said:

I suppose Bozo will say that he is too busy meeting voters, and then spend the day stood in front of his bus in a warehouse with a dozen HYUFD clones forming his claque.

'Are you Tezzie in disguise?'

No.

Boris has a lovely dog.

No Carrie has a lovely dog

I quizzed Carrie yesterday on this. The dog is very much both of theirs dog - he doesn't favour one of them over the other. Although Boris is the one who gets up at 6.00am to play with it in the garden.

Good for him. He would win points from my dear lady for that

No way is he up at that early to play in the dark!

egg said:

Andy_JS said:

Wasn't on PB earlier but sheet 2 of the candidates list might be useful. It lists the seats and candidates like this:

Bristol West:
Suria Aujla (Con)
Thangam Debbonaire (Lab)
Carla Denyer (Grn)
Neil Hipkiss (Brx)

And so on.

Certain Labour hold. But that silly poll yesterday had labour holding Bristol north west they are certain to lose
Vox popping from Bristol north west today found everyone who would talk to camera voting for Boris because they just want brexit sorted out ASAP. Boris has promised to do this, but he really can’t deliver this promise can he?

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1200182411746779136