Yes it’s a leftie paper but Bozo said those words and it’s in print .
Was it from a couple of years ago?
I had read it was almost 25 years old and taken out of context from part of a much larger piece but I very much doubt Labour are digging up articles from a quarter of a century ago and taking misleading snippets out.
Judging by the Tory campaign this time and last, this 'major speech' will mean story three on the BBB News website for 5 hours, then disappear entirely.
Is this really the Tory campaign, to get disgruntled ex-Labour MPs to endorse the Tories? At the start of the campaign it was useful, now they have to combat the fact Labour are willing to bribe everybody and claim Jezza is just an honest broker as they are still going to do Brexit.
In an election where a major key to Tory success is to break tribal loyalties, endorsements of ex Labour MPs must be hugely valuable.
Certain Labour hold. But that silly poll yesterday had labour holding Bristol north west they are certain to lose Vox popping from Bristol north west today found everyone who would talk to camera voting for Boris because they just want brexit sorted out ASAP. Boris has promised to do this, but he really can’t deliver this promise can he?
No, not without seriously upsetting the ERG wing and opting for BINO.
But what has won Boris this comfortable majority is the voters just sick of brexit all over the place all the time, they just want it to go away so they don’t have to hear about it. It’s been three years, just get it done so the country can move on. And this is exactly what Boris is promising them. Get brexit done, Cummings ingenious mantra to win this election. But what exactly is brexit done, and how many years away is that at best guesstimate?
You can still get 20/1 on the Tories in Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath. With the SNP candidate disowned and labour in free fall 20/1 is absurdly generous as they got 23% last time
Yes it’s a leftie paper but Bozo said those words and it’s in print .
Was it from a couple of years ago?
I had read it was almost 25 years old and taken out of context from part of a much larger piece but I very much doubt Labour are digging up articles from a quarter of a century ago and taking misleading snippets out.
They aren't that stupid and desperate surely?
Out of context ! Okay but the Tories do it all the time and it will just reinforce what many think regarding Bozo .
You can still get 20/1 on the Tories in Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath. With the SNP candidate disowned and labour in free fall 20/1 is absurdly generous as they got 23% last time
Yes Kirkcaldy have endorsed the Green candidate, but as ever dyor.
Certain Labour hold. But that silly poll yesterday had labour holding Bristol north west they are certain to lose Vox popping from Bristol north west today found everyone who would talk to camera voting for Boris because they just want brexit sorted out ASAP. Boris has promised to do this, but he really can’t deliver this promise can he?
No, not without seriously upsetting the ERG wing and opting for BINO.
I think these people want to see Brexit done in the sense that the possibility of revoke or a 2ref is off the table so their vote can no longer be ignored. After that I doubt whether most of them give a toss what happens.
Is this really the Tory campaign, to get disgruntled ex-Labour MPs to endorse the Tories? At the start of the campaign it was useful, now they have to combat the fact Labour are willing to bribe everybody and claim Jezza is just an honest broker as they are still going to do Brexit.
In an election where a major key to Tory success is to break tribal loyalties, endorsements of ex Labour MPs must be hugely valuable.
Really? Does this really play? Gisela more so than hestletine and Gauke?
Might help with Edgbaston as she was a popular mp there Telegraph reporting one of the Tories main problems is getting enough boots on the ground in targets
Seems like they are getting Carrie and Dilyn to do all the canvassing in Tory targets; they were with @MarqueeMark in Totnes yesterday, and called on my Mum in Hastings last week... Hang on, aren't those seats the Tories won last time?
Is this really the Tory campaign, to get disgruntled ex-Labour MPs to endorse the Tories? At the start of the campaign it was useful, now they have to combat the fact Labour are willing to bribe everybody and claim Jezza is just an honest broker as they are still going to do Brexit.
In an election where a major key to Tory success is to break tribal loyalties, endorsements of ex Labour MPs must be hugely valuable.
I wouldn't say hugely
But it keeps that narrative in public eye - Corbyn must not get in.
I suppose Bozo will say that he is too busy meeting voters, and then spend the day stood in front of his bus in a warehouse with a dozen HYUFD clones forming his claque.
'Are you Tezzie in disguise?'
No.
Boris has a lovely dog.
No Carrie has a lovely dog
I quizzed Carrie yesterday on this. The dog is very much both of theirs dog - he doesn't favour one of them over the other. Although Boris is the one who gets up at 6.00am to play with it in the garden.
Yes it’s a leftie paper but Bozo said those words and it’s in print .
What are they?
Daily Mirror has a go as labour panic over their lost northern voters
Labour okayish now up north, in the cities, around the polys, and coming back in South Wales. Midlands is the bloodbath that gives Boris 50+ majority for five years.
I suppose Bozo will say that he is too busy meeting voters, and then spend the day stood in front of his bus in a warehouse with a dozen HYUFD clones forming his claque.
'Are you Tezzie in disguise?'
BoZo was in North Devon this morning - failing to read his briefing notes and fluffing his lines as per usual.
Why was he visiting a defensive seat at this point in the campaign - MM tells us it is all going swimmingly in Devon and Cornwall for the Tories? Or is it an early victory lap?
He then moved on to Plymouth, with Johnny Mercer claiming he had come to unveil a statue of Nancy Astor (elected 100 years ago today as the first woman MP to take her seat) - actually the honours was done by Theresa May, who looked very relaxed and well in contrast to her disastrous GE2017 visit to the city.
Fortunately Luke Pollard (elected in 2017) looks likely to retain Plymouth S & D for Labour (confirmed by YouGov MRP) - thanks to La Widdecombe standing for TBP and splitting the Leave vote.
Is Johnson still too afraid to be interviewed by Andrew Neil? How can this fat lazy coward think he can be trusted run the country if he can't go head to head with a journalist? He's just afraid of being found out for the over privileged, pig ignorant waste of space that he is. Pathetic.
You sound a little upset.
Obviously the Tory media team have played a blinder getting Corbyn minded by Lord Neil, without their man committing to same fate.
I'll give you a real life comparison. Dentists said to me, you've got a really odd looking piece of minor tooth decay, that may one day become a real issue. We can do a major extraction job, that may damage your sinuses really badly and will take a few months to recover from. Or we do nothing and check it once a year. What does the rationale person do?
"Rationale"? Whatever, you're illiterate, it's fine. I am not upset, I am angry. The mark in this little Tory confidence trick isn't Corbyn, it's the public.
Is this really the Tory campaign, to get disgruntled ex-Labour MPs to endorse the Tories? At the start of the campaign it was useful, now they have to combat the fact Labour are willing to bribe everybody and claim Jezza is just an honest broker as they are still going to do Brexit.
In an election where a major key to Tory success is to break tribal loyalties, endorsements of ex Labour MPs must be hugely valuable.
Really? Does this really play? Gisela more so than hestletine and Gauke?
Old news, isn't it? She announced this a while back.
It will be truly ironic if Boris squeezes a small majority - on the basis of the SCons winning a handful of extra seats.... But about par for recent years in the crazy stakes.
Certain Labour hold. But that silly poll yesterday had labour holding Bristol north west they are certain to lose Vox popping from Bristol north west today found everyone who would talk to camera voting for Boris because they just want brexit sorted out ASAP. Boris has promised to do this, but he really can’t deliver this promise can he?
No, not without seriously upsetting the ERG wing and opting for BINO.
But what has won Boris this comfortable majority is the voters just sick of brexit all over the place all the time, they just want it to go away so they don’t have to hear about it. It’s been three years, just get it done so the country can move on. And this is exactly what Boris is promising them. Get brexit done, Cummings ingenious mantra to win this election. But what exactly is brexit done, and how many years away is that at best guesstimate?
I think there are actually two bits to it. “Get Brexit done” yes, but in many ways the big attraction is to get a Govt that can actually do things again, and is in control of its own destiny. Whether the decisions that will be taken are good, whether Brexit itself actually happens sooner or later, at least we will be spared the almost daily spectacle of politicians being permanent blockers without offering any achievable alternatives.
On Kirkcaldy It is just shocking, shocking that a guy who compared trans people to pedophiles turned out to be a wrong 'un. Never saw it coming. Coincidentally, lots of "Gender Critical" people think Soros is secretly behind the funding of groups campaigning for trans rights. Crossover, as they say.
Certain Labour hold. But that silly poll yesterday had labour holding Bristol north west they are certain to lose Vox popping from Bristol north west today found everyone who would talk to camera voting for Boris because they just want brexit sorted out ASAP. Boris has promised to do this, but he really can’t deliver this promise can he?
No, not without seriously upsetting the ERG wing and opting for BINO.
I think these people want to see Brexit done in the sense that the possibility of revoke or a 2ref is off the table so their vote can no longer be ignored. After that I doubt whether most of them give a toss what happens.
Oh they will give a toss when it does, but will blame anyone but themselves for the consequences.
Brandon Lewis being laughed at by the QT audience over nurse numbers.
Again...Tory and Labour send out the C Team...anybody would think there wasn't an election in two weeks. And nobody from the Lib Dems, they surely couldn't have declined? If they haven't, surely they should be given a seat so close to the GE as a party running 15% in the polls.
Electoral edge case question. Any help much appreciated.
A friend who lives abroad has just messaged me asking a question about her vote that I confess I've never encountered before.
She lives abroad with a postal vote, but because of concerns about getting her ballot paper on time subsequently registered her mother as her proxy-by-post. The original polling papers have now arrived with said friend, but she wants to know if she can still use these, and instruct her mother not to use the proxy vote - or if she now has to go with the proxy-by-post route?
That is an odd one.
A proxy vote can be overridden, in the sense that the owner of the vote can turn up first and then the proxy gets turned away.
A postal vote can’t be overridden, in the sense that once the ballot paper is posted, they won’t post another.
My guess is that the mother won’t get a postal paper, because you can only be on one list and they won’t issue two ballot papers for the same elector. Either the postal proxy form came in too late, or they have messed up and not actioned it.
"Given his past associations and pronouncements, Corbyn would not even pass security vetting to clean the toilets in MoD Main Building, never mind take charge of the armed forces and intelligence services."
I suppose Bozo will say that he is too busy meeting voters, and then spend the day stood in front of his bus in a warehouse with a dozen HYUFD clones forming his claque.
'Are you Tezzie in disguise?'
BoZo was in North Devon this morning - failing to read his briefing notes and fluffing his lines as per usual.
Why was he visiting a defensive seat at this point in the campaign - MM tells us it is all going swimmingly in Devon and Cornwall for the Tories? Or is it an early victory lap?
He then moved on to Plymouth, with Johnny Mercer claiming he had come to unveil a statue of Nancy Astor (elected 100 years ago today as the first woman MP to take her seat) - actually the honours was done by Theresa May, who looked very relaxed and well in contrast to her disastrous GE2017 visit to the city.
Fortunately Luke Pollard (elected in 2017) looks likely to retain Plymouth S & D for Labour (confirmed by YouGov MRP) - thanks to La Widdecombe standing for TBP and splitting the Leave vote.
That Devon Live link's not working - probably been taken down by the owners as 'not on message'.
If they had just promised a vote on Boris' deal and less of the President Swinson stuff, they would be looking forward to a lot more of those kind of results in two weeks.
"Given his past associations and pronouncements, Corbyn would not even pass security vetting to clean the toilets in MoD Main Building, never mind take charge of the armed forces and intelligence services."
Unfortunately despite the moderate veneer of Labour defence policy, the party is lead by Jeremy Corbyn and a small cabal of communists and terrorist sympathisers whose first instinct is to encourage enemies of the UK and blame the US for almost every problem in the world. Corbyn’s track record includes support for the IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah, and other anti-Western extremist groups. He has worked for Iranian state TV and, perhaps most alarmingly, could not bring himself to condemn Russia for the attempted murder of Sergei and Yulia Skripal on British soil.
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Left wing Trump
In 2011 Corbyn claimed “NATO was founded in order to promote a cold war with the Soviet Union… is a danger to world security and should be disbanded”.
And we all know the above, but do the Tories bother to spell this out. Last time they went with all the IRA stuff. What I find weird is the fact they don't play up stuff like his links to Hezbollah and Hamas, the yuff might be relaxed about anti-semitism, but anti LBGTQ stuff is a different matter.
I suppose Bozo will say that he is too busy meeting voters, and then spend the day stood in front of his bus in a warehouse with a dozen HYUFD clones forming his claque.
'Are you Tezzie in disguise?'
BoZo was in North Devon this morning - failing to read his briefing notes and fluffing his lines as per usual.
Why was he visiting a defensive seat at this point in the campaign - MM tells us it is all going swimmingly in Devon and Cornwall for the Tories? Or is it an early victory lap?
He then moved on to Plymouth, with Johnny Mercer claiming he had come to unveil a statue of Nancy Astor (elected 100 years ago today as the first woman MP to take her seat) - actually the honours was done by Theresa May, who looked very relaxed and well in contrast to her disastrous GE2017 visit to the city.
Fortunately Luke Pollard (elected in 2017) looks likely to retain Plymouth S & D for Labour (confirmed by YouGov MRP) - thanks to La Widdecombe standing for TBP and splitting the Leave vote.
First lady elected to Westminster was Constance de Markievicz in 1918. Though as a Sinn Fein MP, she abstained with her colleagues and they then set up the Dublin Dáil.
You'd certainly think so based on the posters and boards in people's gardens and windows. I have not seen any that weren't for the LDs. Have the other parties given up on roadside boards?
But it’s true. Your acting like their haven’t been tax cuts in the last 10 years. If I put out a manifesto to reverse the tax changes of the last ten years would you not say it’s taking us back to the dark ages of 1970s disaster?
I suppose Bozo will say that he is too busy meeting voters, and then spend the day stood in front of his bus in a warehouse with a dozen HYUFD clones forming his claque.
'Are you Tezzie in disguise?'
No.
Boris has a lovely dog.
No Carrie has a lovely dog
I quizzed Carrie yesterday on this. The dog is very much both of theirs dog - he doesn't favour one of them over the other. Although Boris is the one who gets up at 6.00am to play with it in the garden.
You'd certainly think so based on the posters and boards in people's gardens and windows. I have not seen any that weren't for the LDs. Have the other parties given up on roadside boards?
But it’s true. Your acting like their haven’t been tax cuts in the last 10 years. If I put out a manifesto to reverse the tax changes of the last ten years would you not say it’s taking us back to the dark ages of 1970s disaster?
You think it would be sensible for Labour to tax and borrow even more than their crazy plans already allow for?
Feels like this this GE is just another can kick down the road for an awful lot of issues, the Tories are ignoring them and Labour are producing fantasy budgets. Oh for some practical people.
I suppose Bozo will say that he is too busy meeting voters, and then spend the day stood in front of his bus in a warehouse with a dozen HYUFD clones forming his claque.
'Are you Tezzie in disguise?'
BoZo was in North Devon this morning - failing to read his briefing notes and fluffing his lines as per usual.
Why was he visiting a defensive seat at this point in the campaign - MM tells us it is all going swimmingly in Devon and Cornwall for the Tories? Or is it an early victory lap?
He then moved on to Plymouth, with Johnny Mercer claiming he had come to unveil a statue of Nancy Astor (elected 100 years ago today as the first woman MP to take her seat) - actually the honours was done by Theresa May, who looked very relaxed and well in contrast to her disastrous GE2017 visit to the city.
Fortunately Luke Pollard (elected in 2017) looks likely to retain Plymouth S & D for Labour (confirmed by YouGov MRP) - thanks to La Widdecombe standing for TBP and splitting the Leave vote.
There are only three seats the Tories need to worry about in the south-west now: North Devon, North Cornwall and then St. Ives. The MegaPoll had them all staying Conservative. Obvious that Boris would be in at least one of them. Plymouth S&D could be a recount job. We'll have to see who the Brexit Party hurts most there. I'm still expecting the Brexit Party vote to collapse on the day. There's only one vote going to deliver Brexit....
My immediate reaction is that the best express can do? Are they running out of steam? Why don’t they stick to how labour are going to steal our housekeeping money?
You'd certainly think so based on the posters and boards in people's gardens and windows. I have not seen any that weren't for the LDs. Have the other parties given up on roadside boards?
Tories probably don't want their properties vandalised in this era of kinder gentler politics
It will be truly ironic if Boris squeezes a small majority - on the basis of the SCons winning a handful of extra seats.... But about par for recent years in the crazy stakes.
They haven’t fallen away without roof and with Boris. Tories are polling amazingly well up there these days. May be net two down at worse, and those ten seats will be massive bonus.
But it’s true. Your acting like their haven’t been tax cuts in the last 10 years. If I put out a manifesto to reverse the tax changes of the last ten years would you not say it’s taking us back to the dark ages of 1970s disaster?
You think it would be sensible for Labour to tax and borrow even more than their crazy plans already allow for?
There is a structured and planned way for Labour to ramp up spending over time, but due to their own rhetoric they cannot do that as it would make them complicit in evil Tory austerity. So they have to go big straight away.
Why did they not go with 20,000 more nurses? It would have been true and they wouldn't have lost the confidence of the public
I would suspect that some document was produced somewhere that stated something a long the lines of: “incorporating current projections of turnover, the NHS will need to train and recruit 50,000 nurses over the next few years”. Obviously if retention measures are improved then the number of new recruits would be lower. It’s literally the same thing. But somewhere the message got garbled and/or simplified and they ended up looking like they had created a smokescreen.
I feel strangely positive tonight, been on the Guardian website and after reading the comments I was surprised to find so much criticism for Labour from their own kind. 2 years ago it was a wall to wall Corbynista Echo chamber. It does seem like not many Lib Dems or moderate Labour supporters think Corbyn can deprive the Tories of a majority.
The tightening of the polls makes it feel like 2017 but this time the enthusiasm levels from those opposing the government appear rather diminished.
"Given his past associations and pronouncements, Corbyn would not even pass security vetting to clean the toilets in MoD Main Building, never mind take charge of the armed forces and intelligence services."
Unfortunately despite the moderate veneer of Labour defence policy, the party is lead by Jeremy Corbyn and a small cabal of communists and terrorist sympathisers whose first instinct is to encourage enemies of the UK and blame the US for almost every problem in the world. Corbyn’s track record includes support for the IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah, and other anti-Western extremist groups. He has worked for Iranian state TV and, perhaps most alarmingly, could not bring himself to condemn Russia for the attempted murder of Sergei and Yulia Skripal on British soil.
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Left wing Trump
In 2011 Corbyn claimed “NATO was founded in order to promote a cold war with the Soviet Union… is a danger to world security and should be disbanded”.
And we all know the above, but do the Tories bother to spell this out. Last time they went with all the IRA stuff. What I find weird is the fact they don't play up stuff like his links to Hezbollah and Hamas, the yuff might be relaxed about anti-semitism, but anti LBGTQ stuff is a different matter.
A tremendously clear and concise piece that, with beautifully understated eviscerations of Swinson ("patronising") and the Greens (who apparently would replace the MOD with a Ministry of Peace and wind the armed forces down to a "carbon neutral defence force" whose members would be allowed to disobey orders).
But it’s true. Your acting like their haven’t been tax cuts in the last 10 years. If I put out a manifesto to reverse the tax changes of the last ten years would you not say it’s taking us back to the dark ages of 1970s disaster?
You think it would be sensible for Labour to tax and borrow even more than their crazy plans already allow for?
There is a structured and planned way for Labour to ramp up spending over time, but due to their own rhetoric they cannot do that as it would make them complicit in evil Tory austerity. So they have to go big straight away.
But it’s true. Your acting like their haven’t been tax cuts in the last 10 years. If I put out a manifesto to reverse the tax changes of the last ten years would you not say it’s taking us back to the dark ages of 1970s disaster?
You think it would be sensible for Labour to tax and borrow even more than their crazy plans already allow for?
There is a structured and planned way for Labour to ramp up spending over time, but due to their own rhetoric they cannot do that as it would make them complicit in evil Tory austerity. So they have to go big straight away.
You'd certainly think so based on the posters and boards in people's gardens and windows. I have not seen any that weren't for the LDs. Have the other parties given up on roadside boards?
Tories probably don't want their properties vandalised in this era of kinder gentler politics
Vandalism's not really a thing round here, which is nice.
I suppose Bozo will say that he is too busy meeting voters, and then spend the day stood in front of his bus in a warehouse with a dozen HYUFD clones forming his claque.
'Are you Tezzie in disguise?'
BoZo was in North Devon this morning - failing to read his briefing notes and fluffing his lines as per usual.
Why was he visiting a defensive seat at this point in the campaign - MM tells us it is all going swimmingly in Devon and Cornwall for the Tories? Or is it an early victory lap?
He then moved on to Plymouth, with Johnny Mercer claiming he had come to unveil a statue of Nancy Astor (elected 100 years ago today as the first woman MP to take her seat) - actually the honours was done by Theresa May, who looked very relaxed and well in contrast to her disastrous GE2017 visit to the city.
Fortunately Luke Pollard (elected in 2017) looks likely to retain Plymouth S & D for Labour (confirmed by YouGov MRP) - thanks to La Widdecombe standing for TBP and splitting the Leave vote.
There are only three seats the Tories need to worry about in the south-west now: North Devon, North Cornwall and then St. Ives. The MegaPoll had them all staying Conservative. Obvious that Boris would be in at least one of them. Plymouth S&D could be a recount job. We'll have to see who the Brexit Party hurts most there. I'm still expecting the Brexit Party vote to collapse on the day. There's only one vote going to deliver Brexit....
When you say worry, you mean despite megapoll you will lose some of them?
Why did they not go with 20,000 more nurses? It would have been true and they wouldn't have lost the confidence of the public
Is it the £350m all over again? People dispute how many nurses but spread the word and make it stick in everyone’s minds that the Tories are adding tens of thousands more nurses. Deliberate? Who knows?
You'd certainly think so based on the posters and boards in people's gardens and windows. I have not seen any that weren't for the LDs. Have the other parties given up on roadside boards?
There's a Labour board down the road from me.
I have counted 8 boards; 7* LD in Harborough, 1 Lab in Leicester South. No blue ones to be seen. * 1 on a farm near Kibworth. Normally deep blue there...
The Tories are looking like a bunch of headless chickens at present. The irony is that the government's record on environmental issues isn't too bad, so Boris could have reeled off a few achievements, declared there's more to do and got off relatively unscathed. The Tories let their hatred of Jon Snow and CH4 cloud their judgement.
It would have been an ambush though. The left will not accept any environmental improvements put forward by conservatives. Their environmentalism and leftism are inextricably linked.
Think of the miliband debates in 2015. When it was really everyone saying how shit Ed is.
EICIPM
I was thinking earlier, show me an election poster today with EdM in Nicola’s pocket and you’ve sold it to me. I’d vote for that. Dream set up for U.K.
Poor Ed Miliband. As much as I found him a bit of a wet fish I really wish he had won 2015. We would be in a much different place now.
You'd certainly think so based on the posters and boards in people's gardens and windows. I have not seen any that weren't for the LDs. Have the other parties given up on roadside boards?
Nah - it's just the LibDems are very efficient at ripping down other party's posters. We are currently waiting for the LibDems to play the card of taking a pile of ripped down posters and leaving them at the home of their opponent, where they get "found" by a tipped-off journo. They are going to find it fun though when the tables get turned - we have security cameras trained on our poster sites.
Why did they not go with 20,000 more nurses? It would have been true and they wouldn't have lost the confidence of the public
Is it the £350m all over again? People dispute how many nurses but spread the word and make it stick in everyone’s minds that the Tories are adding tens of thousands more nurses. Deliberate? Who knows?
I don't recall the £350m falling apart quite as quickly though? It seemed to go on a lot longer - and I don't really recall the media coming down on it that strongly if I'm honest. I remember that interview on the bus where they treated it like a joke.
I think now people really do not trust this Government - and that is why Labour has (quite intelligently I might say) planted doubts about the NHS in the minds of people regarding a trade deal.
To be honest, whether the Tories do or don't want to sell of the NHS, I think people are utterly deluded if they think we'll walk away from a USA trade deal because we value the NHS too much. We're going to be begging the USA for one - and they know that all too well. That's what those documents really showed.
The Tories are looking like a bunch of headless chickens at present. The irony is that the government's record on environmental issues isn't too bad, so Boris could have reeled off a few achievements, declared there's more to do and got off relatively unscathed. The Tories let their hatred of Jon Snow and CH4 cloud their judgement.
It would have been an ambush though. The left will not accept any environmental improvements put forward by conservatives. Their environmentalism and leftism are inextricably linked.
Think of the miliband debates in 2015. When it was really everyone saying how shit Ed is.
EICIPM
I was thinking earlier, show me an election poster today with EdM in Nicola’s pocket and you’ve sold it to me. I’d vote for that. Dream set up for U.K.
Poor Ed Miliband. As much as I found him a bit of a wet fish I really wish he had won 2015. We would be in a much different place now.
Why did they not go with 20,000 more nurses? It would have been true and they wouldn't have lost the confidence of the public
Is it the £350m all over again? People dispute how many nurses but spread the word and make it stick in everyone’s minds that the Tories are adding tens of thousands more nurses. Deliberate? Who knows?
I honestly don't think anyone* believes the Tories' promises on nurses. Everyone's heard it all before but the perception is that staffing levels in the NHS just get worse. Edit: *Apart from @camel's family as per the next post!
Why did they not go with 20,000 more nurses? It would have been true and they wouldn't have lost the confidence of the public
Is it the £350m all over again? People dispute how many nurses but spread the word and make it stick in everyone’s minds that the Tories are adding tens of thousands more nurses. Deliberate? Who knows?
I was discussing politics with family and all were certain that the tories would be recruiting 30k new nurses and how stupid it was that they added 20k retained to this total. Good Morning Britain had been running this. So the message has got through that the tories are recruiting 30k nurses. Which is good news when you are better known for austerity and privatisation. The shrewdly lucky clown wins again.
I suppose Bozo will say that he is too busy meeting voters, and then spend the day stood in front of his bus in a warehouse with a dozen HYUFD clones forming his claque.
'Are you Tezzie in disguise?'
BoZo was in North Devon this morning - failing to read his briefing notes and fluffing his lines as per usual.
Why was he visiting a defensive seat at this point in the campaign - MM tells us it is all going swimmingly in Devon and Cornwall for the Tories? Or is it an early victory lap?
He then moved on to Plymouth, with Johnny Mercer claiming he had come to unveil a statue of Nancy Astor (elected 100 years ago today as the first woman MP to take her seat) - actually the honours was done by Theresa May, who looked very relaxed and well in contrast to her disastrous GE2017 visit to the city.
Fortunately Luke Pollard (elected in 2017) looks likely to retain Plymouth S & D for Labour (confirmed by YouGov MRP) - thanks to La Widdecombe standing for TBP and splitting the Leave vote.
There are only three seats the Tories need to worry about in the south-west now: North Devon, North Cornwall and then St. Ives. The MegaPoll had them all staying Conservative. Obvious that Boris would be in at least one of them. Plymouth S&D could be a recount job. We'll have to see who the Brexit Party hurts most there. I'm still expecting the Brexit Party vote to collapse on the day. There's only one vote going to deliver Brexit....
When you say worry, you mean despite megapoll you will lose some of them?
I mean assume they are still in play - and fight incrediblly hard for every vote there. That is how you keep them.
It will be truly ironic if Boris squeezes a small majority - on the basis of the SCons winning a handful of extra seats.... But about par for recent years in the crazy stakes.
They haven’t fallen away without roof and with Boris. Tories are polling amazingly well up there these days. May be net two down at worse, and those ten seats will be massive bonus.
It should be remembered that, remarkably, Scotland kept Theresa May in power.
Could we see Scotland handing the Tories a majority government this time?
The Tories just consistently miss the point on everything. Schools aren't bad because of inspections, they're bad because our education policy is an absolute disaster.
The Tories just consistently miss the point on everything. Schools aren't bad because of inspections, they're bad because our education policy is an absolute disaster.
Unions criticise their members being held to account shocker.
The only reason we are having an election is the Brexit stalemate. GE2017 was a fraud as most MPs sought votes on the lie that they were going to respect the referendum result. Boris just wants to get enough Tory MPs in the HofC to see his deal pass, so other policies don’t really matter.
Why did they not go with 20,000 more nurses? It would have been true and they wouldn't have lost the confidence of the public
Is it the £350m all over again? People dispute how many nurses but spread the word and make it stick in everyone’s minds that the Tories are adding tens of thousands more nurses. Deliberate? Who knows?
I don't recall the £350m falling apart quite as quickly though? It seemed to go on a lot longer - and I don't really recall the media coming down on it that strongly if I'm honest. I remember that interview on the bus where they treated it like a joke.
I think now people really do not trust this Government - and that is why Labour has (quite intelligently I might say) planted doubts about the NHS in the minds of people regarding a trade deal.
To be honest, whether the Tories do or don't want to sell of the NHS, I think people are utterly deluded if they think we'll walk away from a USA trade deal because we value the NHS too much. We're going to be begging the USA for one - and they know that all too well. That's what those documents really showed.
I agree. The denials sound genuine, but it’s the no trade deal with US without at least some compromise bit of this that trashes the denials.
The Tories just consistently miss the point on everything. Schools aren't bad because of inspections, they're bad because our education policy is an absolute disaster.
Unions criticise their members being held to account shocker.
That wasn't my point, my point is this isn't going to make schools any better
Why did they not go with 20,000 more nurses? It would have been true and they wouldn't have lost the confidence of the public
Is it the £350m all over again? People dispute how many nurses but spread the word and make it stick in everyone’s minds that the Tories are adding tens of thousands more nurses. Deliberate? Who knows?
No because what they see is the Tories trying to hoodwink the public over the NHS , the pledge is falling apart . The Labour manifesto might be a wishlist on many things but their NHS plans haven’t been trashed .
The EU ref was different and the NHS up for sale wasn’t the issue then . By trying to deceive over nurse numbers the public might start questioning whether they can believe anything the Tories say on any USA trade deal .
You'd certainly think so based on the posters and boards in people's gardens and windows. I have not seen any that weren't for the LDs. Have the other parties given up on roadside boards?
There's a Labour board down the road from me.
I have counted 8 boards; 7* LD in Harborough, 1 Lab in Leicester South. No blue ones to be seen. * 1 on a farm near Kibworth. Normally deep blue there...
Why did they not go with 20,000 more nurses? It would have been true and they wouldn't have lost the confidence of the public
Is it the £350m all over again? People dispute how many nurses but spread the word and make it stick in everyone’s minds that the Tories are adding tens of thousands more nurses. Deliberate? Who knows?
I was discussing politics with family and all were certain that the tories would be recruiting 30k new nurses and how stupid it was that they added 20k retained to this total. Good Morning Britain had been running this. So the message has got through that the tories are recruiting 30k nurses. Which is good news when you are better known for austerity and privatisation. The shrewdly lucky clown wins again.
Classic Cummings Play-book. Let's have a news cycle or two arguing over how many "new" nurses we are providing to the NHS. Let our opponents all make the case that the Conservatives are recruiting more nurses.
Why did they not go with 20,000 more nurses? It would have been true and they wouldn't have lost the confidence of the public
Is it the £350m all over again? People dispute how many nurses but spread the word and make it stick in everyone’s minds that the Tories are adding tens of thousands more nurses. Deliberate? Who knows?
I don't recall the £350m falling apart quite as quickly though? It seemed to go on a lot longer - and I don't really recall the media coming down on it that strongly if I'm honest. I remember that interview on the bus where they treated it like a joke.
I think now people really do not trust this Government - and that is why Labour has (quite intelligently I might say) planted doubts about the NHS in the minds of people regarding a trade deal.
To be honest, whether the Tories do or don't want to sell of the NHS, I think people are utterly deluded if they think we'll walk away from a USA trade deal because we value the NHS too much. We're going to be begging the USA for one - and they know that all too well. That's what those documents really showed.
I agree. The denials sound genuine, but it’s the no trade deal with US without at least some compromise bit of this that trashes the denials.
It'll be ok to walk away from an EU trade deal if they have the temerity to insist on us adhering to single market rules but we need a US trade deal so badly we'll sacrifice the NHS is necessary. Sounds about right for the Tories.
And why are they leaving? Because of extreme stress, budget pressures and pensions.
A mixture of reasons, and also a cohort effect. There are a lot of GPs approaching 60 and retiring in the next five years. I see no reason to see retention to suddenly improve. Indeed the retention rate is worse than it was 5 years ago.
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Telegraph reporting one of the Tories main problems is getting enough boots on the ground in targets
I had read it was almost 25 years old and taken out of context from part of a much larger piece but I very much doubt Labour are digging up articles from a quarter of a century ago and taking misleading snippets out.
They aren't that stupid and desperate surely?
They do it on Corbyn literally weekly
Hang on, aren't those seats the Tories won last time?
But it keeps that narrative in public eye - Corbyn must not get in.
And its Labour who are going to install a dictatorship? Interesting.
https://devonlive.com/news/devon-news/prime-minister-boris-johnson-confused-3588078
Why was he visiting a defensive seat at this point in the campaign - MM tells us it is all going swimmingly in Devon and Cornwall for the Tories? Or is it an early victory lap?
He then moved on to Plymouth, with Johnny Mercer claiming he had come to unveil a statue of Nancy Astor (elected 100 years ago today as the first woman MP to take her seat) - actually the honours was done by Theresa May, who looked very relaxed and well in contrast to her disastrous GE2017 visit to the city.
https://plymouthherald.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/boris-johnson-plymouth-statue-astor-3586303
Fortunately Luke Pollard (elected in 2017) looks likely to retain Plymouth S & D for Labour (confirmed by YouGov MRP) - thanks to La Widdecombe standing for TBP and splitting the Leave vote.
I am not upset, I am angry. The mark in this little Tory confidence trick isn't Corbyn, it's the public.
LDEM: 57.8% (+25.6)
CON: 42.2% (-3.4)
Liberal Democrat GAIN from Conservative.
No Labour (-15.4) and Green (-6.8) as prev.
(As did Heseltine and Gauke.)
But about par for recent years in the crazy stakes.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/e/labours-programme-not-enough-redress-effect-austerity
Spend spend spend baby
It is just shocking, shocking that a guy who compared trans people to pedophiles turned out to be a wrong 'un.
Never saw it coming.
Coincidentally, lots of "Gender Critical" people think Soros is secretly behind the funding of groups campaigning for trans rights.
Crossover, as they say.
He’s a reasonable, albeit slightly cheeky, person to invite to be in the spin room
That is an odd one.
A proxy vote can be overridden, in the sense that the owner of the vote can turn up first and then the proxy gets turned away.
A postal vote can’t be overridden, in the sense that once the ballot paper is posted, they won’t post another.
My guess is that the mother won’t get a postal paper, because you can only be on one list and they won’t issue two ballot papers for the same elector. Either the postal proxy form came in too late, or they have messed up and not actioned it.
https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1200013978560352257?s=19
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/28/us/politics/pete-buttigieg-iowa-2020.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
Why did they not go with 20,000 more nurses? It would have been true and they wouldn't have lost the confidence of the public
https://twitter.com/markdistef/status/1199977970393321472?s=21
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Left wing Trump
In 2011 Corbyn claimed “NATO was founded in order to promote a cold war with the Soviet Union… is a danger to world security and should be disbanded”.
And we all know the above, but do the Tories bother to spell this out. Last time they went with all the IRA stuff. What I find weird is the fact they don't play up stuff like his links to Hezbollah and Hamas, the yuff might be relaxed about anti-semitism, but anti LBGTQ stuff is a different matter.
Have the other parties given up on roadside boards?
Oh for some practical people.
Quote from NYT on Buttigieg.
Plymouth S&D could be a recount job. We'll have to see who the Brexit Party hurts most there. I'm still expecting the Brexit Party vote to collapse on the day. There's only one vote going to deliver Brexit....
Why don’t they stick to how labour are going to steal our housekeeping money?
https://twitter.com/nickbostock/status/1200002652534390784?s=19
Why did the PL think an ex Guardian CEO was a good idea ?
The tightening of the polls makes it feel like 2017 but this time the enthusiasm levels from those opposing the government appear rather diminished.
Rising to 70,000 by 2023/24.
* 1 on a farm near Kibworth. Normally deep blue there...
We are currently waiting for the LibDems to play the card of taking a pile of ripped down posters and leaving them at the home of their opponent, where they get "found" by a tipped-off journo.
They are going to find it fun though when the tables get turned - we have security cameras trained on our poster sites.
I think now people really do not trust this Government - and that is why Labour has (quite intelligently I might say) planted doubts about the NHS in the minds of people regarding a trade deal.
To be honest, whether the Tories do or don't want to sell of the NHS, I think people are utterly deluded if they think we'll walk away from a USA trade deal because we value the NHS too much. We're going to be begging the USA for one - and they know that all too well. That's what those documents really showed.
Everyone's heard it all before but the perception is that staffing levels in the NHS just get worse.
Edit: *Apart from @camel's family as per the next post!
So the message has got through that the tories are recruiting 30k nurses. Which is good news when you are better known for austerity and privatisation.
The shrewdly lucky clown wins again.
Could we see Scotland handing the Tories a majority government this time?
The Tories just consistently miss the point on everything. Schools aren't bad because of inspections, they're bad because our education policy is an absolute disaster.
or she's looking for a retirement job where being not very useful does not get noticed.
The EU ref was different and the NHS up for sale wasn’t the issue then . By trying to deceive over nurse numbers the public might start questioning whether they can believe anything the Tories say on any USA trade deal .
Sounds about right for the Tories.
https://twitter.com/CrowSaorAlba1/status/1200143844161052678
I see no reason to see retention to suddenly improve. Indeed the retention rate is worse than it was 5 years ago.