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Recent poll (forget which it was) gave a different shift. And if you keep equating Mr Salmond = SNP = Independence side you are gong to make as big a mistake as it would be to equate Mr Cameron with the unionist side.john_zims said:@MonikerDiCanio
Salmond's clearly got a women problem,all the publicity about his troughing can't have helped or maybe they just see through all the bluff,bluster and bull$hit.
'Only 28.5 per cent of the female electorate would now vote for independence, down from 32.5 per cent in March, according to the Survation poll. Support for the No camp was much higher among women than men (51 per cent compared to 44 per cent).'
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isam said:
No indeed not . I am quite choosy who I place my bests with on here . It is much more a reflection of my opinion of you that I will not place bets with you though I was happy to place several with tim . Mike has also explained to you in great detail why he will not place that particular bet with you .isam said:0 -
stultifyingly dumb. Labour is a UK national party, if they vote for Indy they become the Scottish Socialist party.Carnyx said:Someone doesn't have her head in the sand about the Labour problem in Scotland:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/sturgeon-urges-all-labour-voters-to-back-independence.23937187
"In her speech to the SNP spring conference in Aberdeen, she will argue independence would "rejuvenate" a Labour Party "no longer dancing to Westminster's tune".
Her comments, which are likely to rile Scots Labour leader Johann Lamont, will be accompanied by an announcement of extra Scottish Government funding for food banks, calculated to highlight the impact of the UK Government's unpopular welfare reforms.
Ms Sturgeon, the "Yes minister" responsible for referendum strategy, will target Labour voters as polls show they are more sympathetic to independence than Conservative or LibDems' supporters, and are prominent among the one million or so Scots who remain undecided about the referendum.
She will say: "To every Labour voter in the country I say this - the Yes campaign is not asking you to change your party, instead it offers you the chance to get your party back.
"Independence will not mean the end of Labour but it might mean a rejuvenated Labour Party, a Labour Party free to make its own decisions, a Labour Party no longer dancing to Westminster's tune.
"For every voter with Labour in their heart, the message is clear: don't vote No to stop the SNP, vote Yes to reclaim the Labour Party.""
Not just rattling Ms Lamont's cage, but prodding her in the ribs as well ...
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Oh on that 2nd point I have no idea.. more than UKIP I suppose?SimonStClare said:
Not quite - It was to mend a leaky roof, put some outside lights on the property for security and mend some that were broken.isam said:
ApolsCharles said:
Just as a factual point, Douglas Hogg never claimed money to clear his moat.isam said:
Well lets agree that all parties have been guilty of over claiming expenses, okCharles said:
That's an immoral and undemocratic position.isam said:
I'd have no problem with Sinn Fein MP's squeezing as much money as they can out of Westminster expenses as using it to fund their party. Same applies to UKIP in Brussels.ThomasNashe said:
I have to say that struck me as a curious line. Using public money for party coffers is OK, so long as you don't enrich yourself personally?isam said:
No he didn't!TheWatcher said:
Farage totally avoids answering the question on expenses.MonikerDiCanio said:
Snow is unable to control himself. His aged face is a mask of hate and panic during that interrogation.isam said:Here is the Jon Snow attempted hatchet job of Nigel Farage from Wednesday
Another shifty trougher.
Clear as crystal, he said they took as much as they could and funded the party with it, without gaining personally
I wouldn't have thought the people that vote UKIP and Sinn Fein would mind either. Do you think it will lose them votes?
If they were doing it and spending it on themselves (buying a 2nd hoime/making £1m profit/Wisteria/DuckHouse/Moat) that would be different,
If UKIP believes that parties should be state funded they should have the guts to put it in their manifesto. Money allocated by Parliament for one function should not be diverted to another use.
Labour, Conservatives & Lib Dem MP's have taken from the British taxpayer for their own personal wealth (to buy 2nd homes/clear moats etc)
UKIP have taken from a European pot to fund the party and destroy the thing they have been elected to destroy
We shall see what the public thinks is worse
Ok, to clear Wisteria from Chimneys
I'd also appreciate your advice - The Veritas party lead by Therese Muchewicz now has 29 twitter followers – what are the chances of them taking more seats than UKIP? ; )
Here's an interesting piece on David Cameron's expenses... if he fires Bone having defended Miller I might put money on him being gone before the end of 2014
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2014/04/why-david-cameron-isnt-being-hard-on-maria-miller.html0 -
LOL - perhaps they should rebrand to that of the Norwegian blue parrot party.Neil said:
Like those Japanese soldiers in the jungle who havent been told their Emperor has surrendered. Maybe RKS could be prevailed upon to convince them to give up?SimonStClare said:The Veritas party lead by Therese Muchewicz now has 29 twitter followers
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Mark, I'm now quite touched that you accepted my Brighton Pavilion bet, I didnt think it was such an honourMarkSenior said:I am quite choosy who I place my bests with on here .
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Or Charles and his chums handing over six figure sumsSimonStClare said:
I see little difference between that and Councillors giving 10% of 'expenses' to their party.Charles said:
So misuse of public funds for party political purposes.isam said:
No he didn't!TheWatcher said:
Farage totally avoids answering the question on expenses.MonikerDiCanio said:
Snow is unable to control himself. His aged face is a mask of hate and panic during that interrogation.isam said:Here is the Jon Snow attempted hatchet job of Nigel Farage from Wednesday
Judge for yourself if it was successful
Personally I thought Snow tried every trick in the book, including allegations of racism (4:07) to get Farage riled, and failed. He even accused Farage of having a bad expenses record (4:13) and then pretended when challenged seconds later, (4:23) that hadn't said it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4OxvVtgAx0
Another shifty trougher.
Clear as crystal, he said they took as much as they could and funded the party with it, without gaining personally
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Yes. Would you categorise that as a controversial point of view?BobaFett said:
Are you saying independence is the choice of the testosterone fuelled bloke Andy? ;-)AndyJS said:Salmond is more popular with men in Scotland for the same reason that Farage is more popular with men in England. They both want to do something slightly risky and daring: men like that sort of thing, women are more risk-averse and prefer stability, generally speaking. A certain type of man likes to risk everything for the chance of glory and honour, even if it might all end disastrously. That's why it's likely young men will be the biggest supporters of Scottish independence in the referendum.
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Not sure about that - it's aimed at Scottish Labour voters, not at the Scottish Labour Party. I'd have thought it was quite a smart line.Alanbrooke said:stultifyingly dumb. Labour is a UK national party, if they vote for Indy they become the Scottish Socialist party.
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If LD's are wiped out in EU elections (which Brussels party thinks is almost certain), moves will be made against Clegg. I'm not sure if he will be *actually* deposed, but very public talks of "this man cannot lead us into the GE" are being discussed in some quarters.
The debates are now seen as suicidal.0 -
Oh I want to take that money off you so badly as well!MarkSenior said:isam said:
No indeed not . I am quite choosy who I place my bests with on here . It is much more a reflection of my opinion of you that I will not place bets with you though I was happy to place several with tim . Mike has also explained to you in great detail why he will not place that particular bet with you .isam said:
Never mind
Mike's running scared, he knows exactly who I am, his son has bet with me, lost, and I haven't asked for the money...
These aren't just yellow bellies.. these are MS yellow bellies!
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So you think that the cabinet is all male even when a third are by all evidence female? [edited to clarify] I'd like to see what you think isn't homoerotic!Alanbrooke said:
Well of course Salmond has a woman problem, the nats are a bunch of blunt irate blokes who ignore ladies and seek male company in a kind of clannish way. There's something vaguely homoerotic about it, think of the film 300 with body hair.john_zims said:@MonikerDiCanio
Salmond's clearly got a women problem,all the publicity about his troughing can't have helped or maybe they just see through all the bluff,bluster and bull$hit.
'Only 28.5 per cent of the female electorate would now vote for independence, down from 32.5 per cent in March, according to the Survation poll. Support for the No camp was much higher among women than men (51 per cent compared to 44 per cent).'
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You would have thought Farage, with 116.3K Twitter followers, would have encouraged his supporters to follow the UKIP candidate for Basingstoke, Alan Stone, who currently only has 23:
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Smart only in the sense of duping idiots. The whole shenanigans of promising everyone what they want to hear and hang the consequences is a problem in the making. Salmond has overpromised by a country mile and is incapable of delivering.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about that - it's aimed at Scottish Labour voters, not at the Scottish Labour Party. I'd have thought it was quite a smart line.Alanbrooke said:stultifyingly dumb. Labour is a UK national party, if they vote for Indy they become the Scottish Socialist party.
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Nicola Sturgeon is a bloke.Carnyx said:
With a third of the cabinet apparently [edit: intended sarcastically] female? I'd like to see what you think isn't homoerotic!Alanbrooke said:
Well of course Salmond has a woman problem, the nats are a bunch of blunt irate blokes who ignore ladies and seek male company in a kind of clannish way. There's something vaguely homoerotic about it, think of the film 300 with body hair.john_zims said:@MonikerDiCanio
Salmond's clearly got a women problem,all the publicity about his troughing can't have helped or maybe they just see through all the bluff,bluster and bull$hit.
'Only 28.5 per cent of the female electorate would now vote for independence, down from 32.5 per cent in March, according to the Survation poll. Support for the No camp was much higher among women than men (51 per cent compared to 44 per cent).'0 -
Policing a ban would be hard to do.Charles said:
Provided that it is on a fully arms-length basis and at a freely negotiated market rent I wouldnt have an issue in theory.anotherDave said:
As a LD voter, are you outraged to learn that LD MPs rent office space from their local LD Party?MarkSenior said:
As with all these truths even when confessed to by Farage , UKIP inclined voters will ignore them or justify them in their minds .isam said:
As with all these smears and allegations, all they do is reinforce other party diehards views, while UKIP inclined voters see past it all.MarkSenior said:
Theft is theft even if you are Robin Hood and give the proceeds to the poor let alone finance your gang's HQ with them .isam said:
No he didn't!TheWatcher said:
Farage totally avoids answering the question on expenses.MonikerDiCanio said:
Snow is unable to control himself. His aged face is a mask of hate and panic during that interrogation.isam said:Here is the Jon Snow attempted hatchet job of Nigel Farage from Wednesday
Judge for yourself if it was successful
Personally I thought Snow tried every trick in the book, including allegations of racism (4:07) to get Farage riled, and failed. He even accused Farage of having a bad expenses record (4:13) and then pretended when challenged seconds later, (4:23) that hadn't said it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4OxvVtgAx0
Another shifty trougher.
Clear as crystal, he said they took as much as they could and funded the party with it, without gaining personally
http://order-order.com/2013/11/14/clegg-24-other-libdems-are-re-renting/
In practice, however, shared site agreements are notoriously easy to abuse, so I think it is easier to have a bright line test and simply ban the arrangement
http://order-order.com/2013/06/21/bergers-trade-union-lobbyist-merry-go-round/
If the costs are receipted and published, I think that's best long term solution.0 -
Yes, well that is true.Alanbrooke said:Smart only in the sense of duping idiots. The whole shenanigans of promising everyone what they want to hear and hang the consequences is a problem in the making. Salmond has overpromised by a country mile and is incapable of delivering.
Still, give him his due; people say that the positive case for the union hasn't been made, but he's been doing an excellent job pointing out, in a very positive way, the advantages of a shared currency, shared monarchy, shared institutions, no border controls, integrated economy, and a financial sector which can service the whole UK.0 -
LOL hadn't looked at it that way Richard ;-)Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, well that is true.Alanbrooke said:Smart only in the sense of duping idiots. The whole shenanigans of promising everyone what they want to hear and hang the consequences is a problem in the making. Salmond has overpromised by a country mile and is incapable of delivering.
Still, give him his due; people say that the positive case for the union hasn't been made, but he's been doing an excellent job pointing out, in a very positive way, the advantages of a shared currency, shared monarchy, shared institutions, no border controls, integrated economy, and a financial sector which can service the whole UK.0 -
Is it certain? Aren't the LD MEPs likely to hang on in London and the South East?Daniel said:If LD's are wiped out in EU elections (which Brussels party thinks is almost certain), moves will be made against Clegg. I'm not sure if he will be *actually* deposed, but very public talks of "this man cannot lead us into the GE" are being discussed in some quarters.
The debates are now seen as suicidal.
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The maths makes a literal wipeout pretty unlikely in my mind, will happily offer odds that they are wiped out if anyone is interested.anotherDave said:
Is it certain? Aren't the LD MEPs likely to hang on in London and the South East?Daniel said:If LD's are wiped out in EU elections (which Brussels party thinks is almost certain), moves will be made against Clegg. I'm not sure if he will be *actually* deposed, but very public talks of "this man cannot lead us into the GE" are being discussed in some quarters.
The debates are now seen as suicidal.
EDIT: Not sure I can beat Shadsy's odds here, I will confess.0 -
Prince Charles? - peronally I have no qualms with private individual donating to political parties of their choice - isn't there a cap on donations not exceeding 5 figures?malcolmg said:
Or Charles and his chums handing over six figure sumsSimonStClare said:
I see little difference between that and Councillors giving 10% of 'expenses' to their party.Charles said:
So misuse of public funds for party political purposes.isam said:
No he didn't!TheWatcher said:
Farage totally avoids answering the question on expenses.MonikerDiCanio said:
Snow is unable to control himself. His aged face is a mask of hate and panic during that interrogation.isam said:Here is the Jon Snow attempted hatchet job of Nigel Farage from Wednesday
Judge for yourself if it was successful
Personally I thought Snow tried every trick in the book, including allegations of racism (4:07) to get Farage riled, and failed. He even accused Farage of having a bad expenses record (4:13) and then pretended when challenged seconds later, (4:23) that hadn't said it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4OxvVtgAx0
Another shifty trougher.
Clear as crystal, he said they took as much as they could and funded the party with it, without gaining personally
Trougher!0 -
Undoubtedly aimed at voters. But it would also put pressure on the Labour Party through its low-level activists, and exactly at the incipient fractures in the Labour Party in Scotland - between the hierarchy who are desperate to keep their London links and those who are actual and potential members of Labour for Indy, and again between the hierarchy who are happy to get into bed with Tories, and those who would rather catch a dose of crabs.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about that - it's aimed at Scottish Labour voters, not at the Scottish Labour Party. I'd have thought it was quite a smart line.Alanbrooke said:stultifyingly dumb. Labour is a UK national party, if they vote for Indy they become the Scottish Socialist party.
Too stupid strikes again.
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@Carnyx - Yes, that makes sense.0
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Admittedly I wasn't too clear. But remind me never to invite you to go on a blind date ...Alanbrooke said:
Nicola Sturgeon is a bloke.Carnyx said:
With a third of the cabinet apparently [edit: intended sarcastically] female? I'd like to see what you think isn't homoerotic!Alanbrooke said:
Well of course Salmond has a woman problem, the nats are a bunch of blunt irate blokes who ignore ladies and seek male company in a kind of clannish way. There's something vaguely homoerotic about it, think of the film 300 with body hair.john_zims said:@MonikerDiCanio
Salmond's clearly got a women problem,all the publicity about his troughing can't have helped or maybe they just see through all the bluff,bluster and bull$hit.
'Only 28.5 per cent of the female electorate would now vote for independence, down from 32.5 per cent in March, according to the Survation poll. Support for the No camp was much higher among women than men (51 per cent compared to 44 per cent).'
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I am very familiar with Inverness, and I would certainly not write off Labour in Inverness itself: they have some good personnel and they know how to get their vote out. However, they are next to non-existent in vast swathes of the constituency. The SNP vote is more evenly spread throughout the entire geographic area.Danny565 said:
Who do you think will take Inverness? The Highlands have been heavily trending away from Labour in recent times, which is why I don't give them any chance at all of taking Caithness or Argyll & Bute despite them being close-ish, but I've been thinking about Inverness purely because they held that seat in the fairly recent past which might mean they have slightly more of a "base" there.Stuart_Dickson said:
The Scottish Lib Dems are safe in two Scottish seats:Quincel said:
LDs are surely too short in loads of those? They're polling 6-8% in Scottish Westminster polls right now, how can they be favourites in more than one or two seats if that could be their vote share across Scotland? Money to be made betting against them in all the ones they lead, surely?Stuart_Dickson said:Current LAB prices in their Scottish target seats:
Dundee East (SNP) 11/4 (FAV = SNP 1/4)
East Dunbartonshire (LD) 1/2 FAV
Argyll & Bute (LD) 2/1 (FAV = SNP 7/4)
Edinburgh West (LD) 4/5 FAV
Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale & Tweeddale (Con) 9/4 (FAV = Con 2/5)
Western Isles (SNP): no prices yet
Gordon (LD) 7/2 (Joint FAV = SNP and LD both on 11/8)
Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross (LD) 3/1 (FAV = LD 2/5)
Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey (LD) 7/2 (FAV = LD 1/2)
So, LAB are odds-on FAV in two Lib Dem seats. Otherwise, it is looking like an uphill job in those other target seats.
EDIT: OK, now polling quite as low as I though. But my point still stands.
a) Orkney & Shetland (the Scottish Secretary Carmichael)
b) Ross, Skye & Lochaber (Charlie Kennedy)
Otherwise it is smelly breeks time all round for SLD MPs and the new SLD PPCs where the sitting MP is retiring.
I think that the Lib Dems have been priced laughably short by Shadsy in most of their Scottish seats. He has already been forced to lengthen several of them. The pickings are rich for early birds.
If pushed I would have this down as SNP FAV with LAB breathing down our necks. Danny Alexander will be fighting it out for 3rd place with his Tory chums.
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what I do with my taxed income, none of which comes from public funds, is entirely up to me. As it happenes, I don't donate to the Tories any more, and the maximum I ever gave was only 6 figures if you include the pence as well...malcolmg said:
Or Charles and his chums handing over six figure sumsSimonStClare said:
I see little difference between that and Councillors giving 10% of 'expenses' to their party.Charles said:
So misuse of public funds for party political purposes.isam said:
No he didn't!TheWatcher said:
Farage totally avoids answering the question on expenses.MonikerDiCanio said:
Snow is unable to control himself. His aged face is a mask of hate and panic during that interrogation.isam said:Here is the Jon Snow attempted hatchet job of Nigel Farage from Wednesday
Judge for yourself if it was successful
Personally I thought Snow tried every trick in the book, including allegations of racism (4:07) to get Farage riled, and failed. He even accused Farage of having a bad expenses record (4:13) and then pretended when challenged seconds later, (4:23) that hadn't said it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4OxvVtgAx0
Another shifty trougher.
Clear as crystal, he said they took as much as they could and funded the party with it, without gaining personally
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Carnyx, you don't seriously expect the PB tories and comedy bluenoses to have a clue about the campaign do you?Carnyx said:Someone doesn't have her head in the sand about the Labour problem in Scotland:
How out of touch do they have to be not to realise that being associated with the tories is toxic for SLAB in scotland.
For that matter how many of them remember that scottish labour and the the unionist friendly papers were very quick to highlight the gender gap in the polls when SLAB were ahead by double figures before the 2011 election? Roughly as many as remember just how quickly they dropped that line of attack when it all started going pear-shaped. It was their favourite crutch stat until the polls narrowed and then reversed before the landslide. They are simply incapable of learning from past mistakes.
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I mean really Mr Carnyx what is this Tories bollocks ? Who are these mystical Bond villains ? Even someone like myself who Richard will happily vouch has a regular go at SE complacency will tell you the kind of evil masterminds you fantasise about don't exist. Most people in the South of Britain are decent hardworking people with ridiculously high mortgages who don't have the time or inclination to go around telling others what to do. It seems to me most of your villains are in your head. Try getting out more.Carnyx said:
Undoubtedly aimed at voters. But it would also put pressure on the Labour Party through its low-level activists, and exactly at the incipient fractures in the Labour Party in Scotland - between the hierarchy who are desperate to keep their London links and those who are actual and potential members of Labour for Indy, and again between the hierarchy who are happy to get into bed with Tories, and those who would rather catch a dose of crabs.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about that - it's aimed at Scottish Labour voters, not at the Scottish Labour Party. I'd have thought it was quite a smart line.Alanbrooke said:stultifyingly dumb. Labour is a UK national party, if they vote for Indy they become the Scottish Socialist party.
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If no one else has mentioned it, @election_data is a great source of election information and well worth following on twitter.0
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Do you bet on Betfair?MarkSenior said:isam said:
No indeed not . I am quite choosy who I place my bests with on here . It is much more a reflection of my opinion of you that I will not place bets with you though I was happy to place several with tim . Mike has also explained to you in great detail why he will not place that particular bet with you .isam said:0 -
A wipeout would be fun though. :-)Quincel said:
The maths makes a literal wipeout pretty unlikely in my mind, will happily offer odds that they are wiped out if anyone is interested.anotherDave said:
Is it certain? Aren't the LD MEPs likely to hang on in London and the South East?Daniel said:If LD's are wiped out in EU elections (which Brussels party thinks is almost certain), moves will be made against Clegg. I'm not sure if he will be *actually* deposed, but very public talks of "this man cannot lead us into the GE" are being discussed in some quarters.
The debates are now seen as suicidal.
EDIT: Not sure I can beat Shadsy's odds here, I will confess.
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Not really. I just thought it was an interesting point of view.AndyJS said:
Yes. Would you categorise that as a controversial point of view?BobaFett said:
Are you saying independence is the choice of the testosterone fuelled bloke Andy? ;-)AndyJS said:Salmond is more popular with men in Scotland for the same reason that Farage is more popular with men in England. They both want to do something slightly risky and daring: men like that sort of thing, women are more risk-averse and prefer stability, generally speaking. A certain type of man likes to risk everything for the chance of glory and honour, even if it might all end disastrously. That's why it's likely young men will be the biggest supporters of Scottish independence in the referendum.
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Has anyone mentioned the Populus most-noticed poll this week?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk8rClxCQAA9xCQ.jpg
Four times as many people picked up on the Maria Miller expenses story as picked up last week on the Clegg-Farage debate. More people noticed the royal visit to New Zealand this week than noticed the first Clegg-Farage debate two weeks ago.
Note also the impact of Oscar Pistorius' trial.0 -
IMHO? no. Opinion polls have LD's at 9% - would lose all MEPs. UKIP very strong in South East, Greens have pockets of support in some areas. I expect Labour to dominate in London, along with Tories, UKIP and Greens - LD's will get drowned out.anotherDave said:Is it certain? Aren't the LD MEPs likely to hang on in London and the South East?
I cannot see, again my opinion, LD's doing well and gaining enough support to keep any seats.
But I'm more keen in the local elections; it is a perfect time to analysis just have strongly UKIP do take voters Labour. Council elections are predominately in Labour heartlands this year.
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Peter Bone: Tory MP Investigated Over Expenses
Wellingborough and Rushden MP Peter Bone says he has done nothing wrong as a standards watchdog investigates a claim of £89,185.
http://news.sky.com/story/1240986/peter-bone-tory-mp-investigated-over-expenses0 -
Miller has had no effect on the Tory VI, hence not salient. The poor woman has been kicked out for nothing. A dismal episode.antifrank said:Has anyone mentioned the Populus most-noticed poll this week?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk8rClxCQAA9xCQ.jpg
Four times as many people picked up on the Maria Miller expenses story as picked up last week on the Clegg-Farage debate. More people noticed the royal visit to New Zealand this week than noticed the first Clegg-Farage debate two weeks ago.
Note also the impact of Oscar Pistorius' trial.0 -
I just want Andrew Duff to lose his seat.Daniel said:
IMHO? no. Opinion polls have LD's at 9% - would lose all MEPs. UKIP very strong in South East, Greens have pockets of support in some areas. I expect Labour to dominate in London, along with Tories, UKIP and Greens - LD's will get drowned out.anotherDave said:Is it certain? Aren't the LD MEPs likely to hang on in London and the South East?
I cannot see, again my opinion, LD's doing well and gaining enough support to keep any seats.
But I'm more keen in the local elections; it is a perfect time to analysis just have strongly UKIP do take voters Labour. Council elections are predominately in Labour heartlands this year.0 -
He should be investigated for telling the same sorry old Mrs Bone 'joke' over and over again.Mick_Pork said:Peter Bone: Tory MP Investigated Over Expenses
Wellingborough and Rushden MP Peter Bone says he has done nothing wrong as a standards watchdog investigates a claim of £89,185.
http://news.sky.com/story/1240986/peter-bone-tory-mp-investigated-over-expenses0 -
Helena Bonham-Carter protests outside parliament – bloody luvvies at it again..!
http://news.sky.com/story/1241045/suffragette-cast-make-history-at-parliament
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All I do is mention Tories once! I wasn't even thinking of the people south of the border (I do often criticise Westminster, but that is quite different). The fact is they exist all right. Y9u know, the blokes in blue rosettes. Actually there are quite a few in Scotland as I know very well and often comment (much more than the FPTP system suggests). But I was thinking - in all seriousness - of the Labour voter up here. To such voters, they are, rightly or wrongly, less popular than the aforesaid form of pediculosis - it's a fact of life, so to speak and one that is absolutely fundamental to the apparent paralysis of Labour in the indy debate.Alanbrooke said:
I mean really Mr Carnyx what is this Tories bollocks ? Who are these mystical Bond villains ? Even someone like myself who Richard will happily vouch has a regular go at SE complacency will tell you the kind of evil masterminds you fantasise about don't exist. Most people in the South of Britain are decent hardworking people with ridiculously high mortgages who don't have the time or inclination to go around telling others what to do. It seems to me most of your villains are in your head. Try getting out more.Carnyx said:
Undoubtedly aimed at voters. But it would also put pressure on the Labour Party through its low-level activists, and exactly at the incipient fractures in the Labour Party in Scotland - between the hierarchy who are desperate to keep their London links and those who are actual and potential members of Labour for Indy, and again between the hierarchy who are happy to get into bed with Tories, and those who would rather catch a dose of crabs.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about that - it's aimed at Scottish Labour voters, not at the Scottish Labour Party. I'd have thought it was quite a smart line.Alanbrooke said:stultifyingly dumb. Labour is a UK national party, if they vote for Indy they become the Scottish Socialist party.
Too stupid strikes again.
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On that basis most of PB would be under inestigation. Crossover anyone ?BobaFett said:
He should be investigated for telling the same sorry old Mrs Bone 'joke' over and over again.Mick_Pork said:Peter Bone: Tory MP Investigated Over Expenses
Wellingborough and Rushden MP Peter Bone says he has done nothing wrong as a standards watchdog investigates a claim of £89,185.
http://news.sky.com/story/1240986/peter-bone-tory-mp-investigated-over-expenses0 -
Amen, brilliant stuff coming out of him/her.antifrank said:If no one else has mentioned it, @election_data is a great source of election information and well worth following on twitter.
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JackW would be locked up.Alanbrooke said:
On that basis most of PB would be under inestigation. Crossover anyone ?BobaFett said:
He should be investigated for telling the same sorry old Mrs Bone 'joke' over and over again.Mick_Pork said:Peter Bone: Tory MP Investigated Over Expenses
Wellingborough and Rushden MP Peter Bone says he has done nothing wrong as a standards watchdog investigates a claim of £89,185.
http://news.sky.com/story/1240986/peter-bone-tory-mp-investigated-over-expenses0 -
Don't worry Carnyx, to certain PBers the Nats are to blame for everything, even SLab voters not wanting to touch touch the Tories with a shi**y stick.Carnyx said:
All I do is mention Tories once! I wasn't even thinking of the people south of the border (I do often criticise Westminster, but that is quite different). The fact is they exist all right. Y9u know, the blokes in blue rosettes. Actually there are quite a few in Scotland as I know very well and often comment (much more than the FPTP system suggests). But I was thinking - in all seriousness - of the Labour voter up here. To such voters, they are, rightly or wrongly, less popular than the aforesaid form of pediculosis - it's a fact of life, so to speak and one that is absolutely fundamental to the apparent paralysis of Labour in the indy debate.
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In all seriousness, not necessarily for nothing: consider if she had stayed.BobaFett said:
Miller has had no effect on the Tory VI, hence not salient. The poor woman has been kicked out for nothing. A dismal episode.antifrank said:Has anyone mentioned the Populus most-noticed poll this week?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk8rClxCQAA9xCQ.jpg
Four times as many people picked up on the Maria Miller expenses story as picked up last week on the Clegg-Farage debate. More people noticed the royal visit to New Zealand this week than noticed the first Clegg-Farage debate two weeks ago.
Note also the impact of Oscar Pistorius' trial.
Actually I think the press'll find someone else to attack - plenty of potential targets in Parliament if what is said here was correct.
[edit: deleted what turns out to be an unfortunate double entendre in the light of latest news]
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It's rather the accumulation of nat wisdom every time they get under pressure it's toories is the justification. So is what you're saying that you think 1 in 6 Scots are pariahs ? Are you saying people on this board like DavidL or Easterross or Fitalass are somehow evil or out to do you ill ?Carnyx said:
All I do is mention Tories once! I wasn't even thinking of the people south of the border (I do often criticise Westminster, but that is quite different). The fact is they exist all right. Y9u know, the blokes in blue rosettes. Actually there are quite a few in Scotland as I know very well and often comment (much more than the FPTP system suggests). But I was thinking - in all seriousness - of the Labour voter up here. To such voters, they are, rightly or wrongly, less popular than the aforesaid form of pediculosis - it's a fact of life, so to speak and one that is absolutely fundamental to the apparent paralysis of Labour in the indy debate.Alanbrooke said:
I mean really Mr Carnyx what is this Tories bollocks ? Who are these mystical Bond villains ? Even someone like myself who Richard will happily vouch has a regular go at SE complacency will tell you the kind of evil masterminds you fantasise about don't exist. Most people in the South of Britain are decent hardworking people with ridiculously high mortgages who don't have the time or inclination to go around telling others what to do. It seems to me most of your villains are in your head. Try getting out more.Carnyx said:
Undoubtedly aimed at voters. But it would also put pressure on the Labour Party through its low-level activists, and exactly at the incipient fractures in the Labour Party in Scotland - between the hierarchy who are desperate to keep their London links and those who are actual and potential members of Labour for Indy, and again between the hierarchy who are happy to get into bed with Tories, and those who would rather catch a dose of crabs.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about that - it's aimed at Scottish Labour voters, not at the Scottish Labour Party. I'd have thought it was quite a smart line.Alanbrooke said:stultifyingly dumb. Labour is a UK national party, if they vote for Indy they become the Scottish Socialist party.
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All the Euro opinion polls even those with LD's at 9% show they will keep several seats because the decline is not uniform . London is pretty consistently the area with the highest LD % .Daniel said:
IMHO? no. Opinion polls have LD's at 9% - would lose all MEPs. UKIP very strong in South East, Greens have pockets of support in some areas. I expect Labour to dominate in London, along with Tories, UKIP and Greens - LD's will get drowned out.anotherDave said:Is it certain? Aren't the LD MEPs likely to hang on in London and the South East?
I cannot see, again my opinion, LD's doing well and gaining enough support to keep any seats.
But I'm more keen in the local elections; it is a perfect time to analysis just have strongly UKIP do take voters Labour. Council elections are predominately in Labour heartlands this year.0 -
I'm sure the public will be chuckling away right now along with Cammie.BobaFett said:
He should be investigated for telling the same sorry old Mrs Bone 'joke' over and over again.Mick_Pork said:Peter Bone: Tory MP Investigated Over Expenses
Wellingborough and Rushden MP Peter Bone says he has done nothing wrong as a standards watchdog investigates a claim of £89,185.
http://news.sky.com/story/1240986/peter-bone-tory-mp-investigated-over-expenses
Maybe Bone's £90,000 will be deemed chickenfeed and of no consequence too.
Like Miller wasn't by the public and even 82% of tory members.-1 -
Cochrane's wife is just about as stupid and biased as him. Typical unionist trying to pin it on one person rather than the truth. Fodder for a serial liar like Monica. If women have not made their mind up yet I doubt it is all down to Alex Salmond. Nothing to add to the debate so kick the man as hard as you can. You unionist drones can only wish you had such a colossus in your team instead of the wall to wall donkeys.MonikerDiCanio said:An piece on Salmond's inability to attract female voters;
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jennyhjul/100266741/alex-salmond-fails-to-lure-the-female-voter/0 -
What do you think of the SNP weasels now applauding Margo MacDonald's memory ?Theuniondivvie said:
Don't worry Carnyx, to certain PBers the Nats are to blame for everything, even SLab voters not wanting to touch touch the Tories with a shi**y stick.Carnyx said:
All I do is mention Tories once! I wasn't even thinking of the people south of the border (I do often criticise Westminster, but that is quite different). The fact is they exist all right. Y9u know, the blokes in blue rosettes. Actually there are quite a few in Scotland as I know very well and often comment (much more than the FPTP system suggests). But I was thinking - in all seriousness - of the Labour voter up here. To such voters, they are, rightly or wrongly, less popular than the aforesaid form of pediculosis - it's a fact of life, so to speak and one that is absolutely fundamental to the apparent paralysis of Labour in the indy debate.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/2701077.stm
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Carnyx there is crystal clear polling backing that toxicity up even if we were all somehow witless and blind enough to ignore what happened to the lib dems in scotland after their tory love in.Carnyx said:
All I do is mention Tories once!Alanbrooke said:
I mean really Mr Carnyx what is this Tories bollocks ? Who are these mystical Bond villains ? Even someone like myself who Richard will happily vouch has a regular go at SE complacency will tell you the kind of evil masterminds you fantasise about don't exist. Most people in the South of Britain are decent hardworking people with ridiculously high mortgages who don't have the time or inclination to go around telling others what to do. It seems to me most of your villains are in your head. Try getting out more.Carnyx said:
Undoubtedly aimed at voters. But it would also put pressure on the Labour Party through its low-level activists, and exactly at the incipient fractures in the Labour Party in Scotland - between the hierarchy who are desperate to keep their London links and those who are actual and potential members of Labour for Indy, and again between the hierarchy who are happy to get into bed with Tories, and those who would rather catch a dose of crabs.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about that - it's aimed at Scottish Labour voters, not at the Scottish Labour Party. I'd have thought it was quite a smart line.Alanbrooke said:stultifyingly dumb. Labour is a UK national party, if they vote for Indy they become the Scottish Socialist party.
Too stupid strikes again.
More pandas than scottish tory MPs. They REALLY still don't get it???
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He is just listening to two fannies who would not know the answer if it slapped them in the face.BobaFett said:
Are you saying independence is the choice of the testosterone fuelled bloke Andy? ;-)AndyJS said:Salmond is more popular with men in Scotland for the same reason that Farage is more popular with men in England. They both want to do something slightly risky and daring: men like that sort of thing, women are more risk-averse and prefer stability, generally speaking. A certain type of man likes to risk everything for the chance of glory and honour, even if it might all end disastrously. That's why it's likely young men will be the biggest supporters of Scottish independence in the referendum.
It is not a vote on Salmond or the UK despite what the turnips on here believe. It is actually about Scotland and the YES campaign. The saddo losers who have no clue can only parrot that Salmond has a problem, they wish.0 -
The odds on that film actually showing the enormous damage the WSPU did to the cause of female suffrage are very slim. An anachronistic hagiography is likely.SimonStClare said:Helena Bonham-Carter protests outside parliament – bloody luvvies at it again..!
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I like you Antifrank, but why are you spinning this line about the Clegg-Farage debate so persistently?antifrank said:Has anyone mentioned the Populus most-noticed poll this week?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk8rClxCQAA9xCQ.jpg
Four times as many people picked up on the Maria Miller expenses story as picked up last week on the Clegg-Farage debate. More people noticed the royal visit to New Zealand this week than noticed the first Clegg-Farage debate two weeks ago.
Note also the impact of Oscar Pistorius' trial.
Another way of interpreting those figures would be to say five times more people noticed the second debate than Kate and Wills NZ visit, but no one can be bothered to do that
The fact that the debate is still in the top ten this week, having happened last week proves you wrong doesn't it? As does the poll bounce for UKIP and the slump of the nations 4th party0 -
You're late!Life_ina_market_town said:
The odds on that film actually showing the enormous damage the WSPU did to the cause of female suffrage are very slim. An anachronistic hagiography is likely.SimonStClare said:Helena Bonham-Carter protests outside parliament – bloody luvvies at it again..!
We had this debate a few months ago. It was a Saturday.0 -
Dear Dear Alan, you are losing the plot now as well, there is no hope.Alanbrooke said:
Well of course Salmond has a woman problem, the nats are a bunch of blunt irate blokes who ignore ladies and seek male company in a kind of clannish way. There's something vaguely homoerotic about it, think of the film 300 with body hair.john_zims said:@MonikerDiCanio
Salmond's clearly got a women problem,all the publicity about his troughing can't have helped or maybe they just see through all the bluff,bluster and bull$hit.
'Only 28.5 per cent of the female electorate would now vote for independence, down from 32.5 per cent in March, according to the Survation poll. Support for the No camp was much higher among women than men (51 per cent compared to 44 per cent).'0 -
Ho ho. Mark is pinning his hopes on the sub-samples. What a chump.MarkSenior said:
All the Euro opinion polls even those with LD's at 9% show they will keep several seats because the decline is not uniform . London is pretty consistently the area with the highest LD % .Daniel said:
IMHO? no. Opinion polls have LD's at 9% - would lose all MEPs. UKIP very strong in South East, Greens have pockets of support in some areas. I expect Labour to dominate in London, along with Tories, UKIP and Greens - LD's will get drowned out.anotherDave said:Is it certain? Aren't the LD MEPs likely to hang on in London and the South East?
I cannot see, again my opinion, LD's doing well and gaining enough support to keep any seats.
But I'm more keen in the local elections; it is a perfect time to analysis just have strongly UKIP do take voters Labour. Council elections are predominately in Labour heartlands this year.
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malcolmg said:
Dear Dear Alan, you are losing the plot now as well, there is no hope.Alanbrooke said:
Well of course Salmond has a woman problem, the nats are a bunch of blunt irate blokes who ignore ladies and seek male company in a kind of clannish way. There's something vaguely homoerotic about it, think of the film 300 with body hair.john_zims said:@MonikerDiCanio
Salmond's clearly got a women problem,all the publicity about his troughing can't have helped or maybe they just see through all the bluff,bluster and bull$hit.
'Only 28.5 per cent of the female electorate would now vote for independence, down from 32.5 per cent in March, according to the Survation poll. Support for the No camp was much higher among women than men (51 per cent compared to 44 per cent).'
admit it malc there's nothing more you want to do than buy some nice strappy sandals and walk round Ayshire in a tartan skirt.0 -
Labour gained the seat after it had been long held by the Libdems in 1997, and then they lost it, again to the Libdems in 2005. It should be noted that the boundary changes at that time proved extremely favourable to the Libdems in this seat as well as in Gordon and West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine. The Libdem held Highland/North East seats are an excellent example of why Clegg and his colleagues were determined to find any passing excuse to renege on their Coalition agreement on new boundary changes in this Parliament.Danny565 said:
Who do you think will take Inverness? The Highlands have been heavily trending away from Labour in recent times, which is why I don't give them any chance at all of taking Caithness or Argyll & Bute despite them being close-ish, but I've been thinking about Inverness purely because they held that seat in the fairly recent past which might mean they have slightly more of a "base" there.Stuart_Dickson said:
The Scottish Lib Dems are safe in two Scottish seats:Quincel said:
LDs are surely too short in loads of those? They're polling 6-8% in Scottish Westminster polls right now, how can they be favourites in more than one or two seats if that could be their vote share across Scotland? Money to be made betting against them in all the ones they lead, surely?Stuart_Dickson said:Current LAB prices in their Scottish target seats:
Dundee East (SNP) 11/4 (FAV = SNP 1/4)
East Dunbartonshire (LD) 1/2 FAV
Argyll & Bute (LD) 2/1 (FAV = SNP 7/4)
Edinburgh West (LD) 4/5 FAV
Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale & Tweeddale (Con) 9/4 (FAV = Con 2/5)
Western Isles (SNP): no prices yet
Gordon (LD) 7/2 (Joint FAV = SNP and LD both on 11/8)
Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross (LD) 3/1 (FAV = LD 2/5)
Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey (LD) 7/2 (FAV = LD 1/2)
So, LAB are odds-on FAV in two Lib Dem seats. Otherwise, it is looking like an uphill job in those other target seats.
EDIT: OK, now polling quite as low as I though. But my point still stands.
a) Orkney & Shetland (the Scottish Secretary Carmichael)
b) Ross, Skye & Lochaber (Charlie Kennedy)
Otherwise it is smelly breeks time all round for SLD MPs and the new SLD PPCs where the sitting MP is retiring.
I think that the Lib Dems have been priced laughably short by Shadsy in most of their Scottish seats. He has already been forced to lengthen several of them. The pickings are rich for early birds.0 -
Very sorry to hear that.Stuart_Dickson said:I am very familiar with Inverness
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Labour candidates selected to replace retiring MPs
Aberavon (35.7% majority): Stephen Kinnock (son of, husband of)
St Helens South (30.6%): Marie Rimmer (veteran local Cllr)
Lewisham Deptford (30.3%): Vicky Foxcroft (local Cllr since 2010, Unite official)
Leeds East (27.2%): Richard Burgon (GMB lawyer)
Coventy North East (27.1%): Colleen Fletcher (veteran local Cllr)
Greenwich and Woolwich (24.7%): Matthew Pennycook (Greenwich Cllr)
Aberdeen North (22.2%): Richard Baker (MSP)
Blackburn (21.7%): Kate Hollern (Blackburn with Darwen council leader)
Stoke North (20.5%) Ruth Smeeth (Hope not Hate deputy director, 2010 Burton candidate)
Dulwich and West Norwood (19.4%): Helen Hayes (Southwark Cllr since 2010)
Bristol South (9.8%): Karin Smyth (officer manager of Bristol West 1997-2005 MP)
Gower (6.4%): Liz Evans (national officer with the Public and Commercial Services union, from Swansea)
Southampton Itchen (0.4%): Rowenna Davies (journalist?)
Hampstead and Kilburn (0.1%): Tulip Siddiq (cabinet member on Camden council)
Selections coming up: Batley and Spen (8.5%), Sheffield Heeley (14.2%), Ellesmere Port and Neston (9.8%) and Stirling (17.9%): AWS, AWS, Open, AWS0 -
No, she was deemed not guilty by those who tried her.Mick_Pork said:
I'm sure the public will be chuckling away right now along with Cammie.BobaFett said:
He should be investigated for telling the same sorry old Mrs Bone 'joke' over and over again.Mick_Pork said:Peter Bone: Tory MP Investigated Over Expenses
Wellingborough and Rushden MP Peter Bone says he has done nothing wrong as a standards watchdog investigates a claim of £89,185.
http://news.sky.com/story/1240986/peter-bone-tory-mp-investigated-over-expenses
Maybe Bone's £90,000 will be deemed chickenfeed and of no consequence too.
Like Miller wasn't by the public and even 82% of tory members.0 -
That poll bounce for UKIP is so visible in today's Populus poll isn't it?isam said:
I like you Antifrank, but why are you spinning this line about the Clegg-Farage debate so persistently?antifrank said:Has anyone mentioned the Populus most-noticed poll this week?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk8rClxCQAA9xCQ.jpg
Four times as many people picked up on the Maria Miller expenses story as picked up last week on the Clegg-Farage debate. More people noticed the royal visit to New Zealand this week than noticed the first Clegg-Farage debate two weeks ago.
Note also the impact of Oscar Pistorius' trial.
Another way of interpreting those figures would be to say five times more people noticed the second debate than Kate and Wills NZ visit, but no one can be bothered to do that
The fact that the debate is still in the top ten this week, having happened last week proves you wrong doesn't it? As does the poll bounce for UKIP and the slump of the nations 4th party0 -
That article is bang on the money in all the points it makes as to why women are not being persuaded by the Yes Campaign. I have said before over the years that I have always found Salmond a very cold fish, excuse the pun.
But right now Salmond is the spiv in a suit asking a lot of women to take the biggest gamble of their lives on their future financial security to realise a nationalist dream of independence they don't share. Its going to be interesting to look back and compare Salmond's personal ratings over the term of this Holyrood Parliament after the Indy Ref and nearer the Scottish elections.MonikerDiCanio said:An piece on Salmond's inability to attract female voters;
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jennyhjul/100266741/alex-salmond-fails-to-lure-the-female-voter/0 -
Just read about Cam's bible bashing. Religion should be a private matter.
I always thought he was an atheist actually. Egg-cruciating.0 -
Euro election - Most seats - best prices
Lab 5/4 (Betfair)
UKIP 11/8 (PP)
Con 7/1 (Betfair)
Grn 150/1 (PP)
LD 200/1 (Betfair)0 -
Nope you idiot , I am saying that any decline in the LD vote will not be uniform , it will be greater in say the West Midlands and less in say London .Stuart_Dickson said:
Ho ho. Mark is pinning his hopes on the sub-samples. What a chump.MarkSenior said:
All the Euro opinion polls even those with LD's at 9% show they will keep several seats because the decline is not uniform . London is pretty consistently the area with the highest LD % .Daniel said:
IMHO? no. Opinion polls have LD's at 9% - would lose all MEPs. UKIP very strong in South East, Greens have pockets of support in some areas. I expect Labour to dominate in London, along with Tories, UKIP and Greens - LD's will get drowned out.anotherDave said:Is it certain? Aren't the LD MEPs likely to hang on in London and the South East?
I cannot see, again my opinion, LD's doing well and gaining enough support to keep any seats.
But I'm more keen in the local elections; it is a perfect time to analysis just have strongly UKIP do take voters Labour. Council elections are predominately in Labour heartlands this year.0 -
It's as repulsive as Blair and Bush praying together before they launched operation slaughterBobaFett said:Just read about Cam's bible bashing. Religion should be a private matter.
I always thought he was an atheist actually. Egg-cruciating.
Get religion out of politics.0 -
I think you may be right - 'theatreland' do have a habit of airbrushing inconvenient truths.Life_ina_market_town said:
The odds on that film actually showing the enormous damage the WSPU did to the cause of female suffrage are very slim. An anachronistic hagiography is likely.SimonStClare said:Helena Bonham-Carter protests outside parliament – bloody luvvies at it again..!
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Looking at just one poll, which is a clear outlier. Tut tut.antifrank said:
That poll bounce for UKIP is so visible in today's Populus poll isn't it?isam said:
I like you Antifrank, but why are you spinning this line about the Clegg-Farage debate so persistently?antifrank said:Has anyone mentioned the Populus most-noticed poll this week?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk8rClxCQAA9xCQ.jpg
Four times as many people picked up on the Maria Miller expenses story as picked up last week on the Clegg-Farage debate. More people noticed the royal visit to New Zealand this week than noticed the first Clegg-Farage debate two weeks ago.
Note also the impact of Oscar Pistorius' trial.
Another way of interpreting those figures would be to say five times more people noticed the second debate than Kate and Wills NZ visit, but no one can be bothered to do that
The fact that the debate is still in the top ten this week, having happened last week proves you wrong doesn't it? As does the poll bounce for UKIP and the slump of the nations 4th party0 -
very simple solution Fitalass, Scottish women go on a sex strike 6 weeks before 18.09.14 to be lifted only on a no vote :-)0
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Fess up you little fibber. You love sub-samples. They make you all moist and excited. You just cannot stand it when someone else gives them the look.MarkSenior said:
Nope you idiot , I am saying that any decline in the LD vote will not be uniform , it will be greater in say the West Midlands and less in say London .Stuart_Dickson said:
Ho ho. Mark is pinning his hopes on the sub-samples. What a chump.MarkSenior said:
All the Euro opinion polls even those with LD's at 9% show they will keep several seats because the decline is not uniform . London is pretty consistently the area with the highest LD % .Daniel said:
IMHO? no. Opinion polls have LD's at 9% - would lose all MEPs. UKIP very strong in South East, Greens have pockets of support in some areas. I expect Labour to dominate in London, along with Tories, UKIP and Greens - LD's will get drowned out.anotherDave said:Is it certain? Aren't the LD MEPs likely to hang on in London and the South East?
I cannot see, again my opinion, LD's doing well and gaining enough support to keep any seats.
But I'm more keen in the local elections; it is a perfect time to analysis just have strongly UKIP do take voters Labour. Council elections are predominately in Labour heartlands this year.
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She wasn't on trial and she didn't go to jail. She simply lost an extremely well paid and sought-after cabinet position, which was VERY quickly filled since it isn't actually that onerous. She finally quit long, long after it was clear she and her expenses were damaging the tories. Tory MPs saying it was costing them votes on the doorstep was the last straw.BobaFett said:
No, she was deemed not guilty by those who tried her.Mick_Pork said:
I'm sure the public will be chuckling away right now along with Cammie.BobaFett said:
He should be investigated for telling the same sorry old Mrs Bone 'joke' over and over again.Mick_Pork said:Peter Bone: Tory MP Investigated Over Expenses
Wellingborough and Rushden MP Peter Bone says he has done nothing wrong as a standards watchdog investigates a claim of £89,185.
http://news.sky.com/story/1240986/peter-bone-tory-mp-investigated-over-expenses
Maybe Bone's £90,000 will be deemed chickenfeed and of no consequence too.
Like Miller wasn't by the public and even 82% of tory members.
So at least try to get it right.
You don't perhaps think when even 82% of tory members thought she should go then it should be crystal clear that those who are out of touch on this certainly aren't the public but those bizarrely pretending she is a martyr who did nothing wrong?
No doubt Bone's £90,000 in expenses will be viewed with equal equanimity by the public since "we're all in this together".0 -
Quite the contrary. If you are talking about people who are of that general political view amongst us and who live and work here, then of course they must be represented.Alanbrooke said:
It's rather the accumulation of nat wisdom every time they get under pressure it's toories is the justification. So is what you're saying that you think 1 in 6 Scots are pariahs ? Are you saying people on this board like DavidL or Easterross or Fitalass are somehow evil or out to do you ill ?
I know quite a few Tories locally. It's the UK party and the UK system that became the problem, once the Tories as a UK wide party started to appeal only to elements of the populace and in so doing abandoned Scotland totally de facto (certainly in the sense of their favourite voting system) and created the democratic deficit that led to the policies imposed on Scotland being firstly different from those for which it actually voted, and secondly (which is not quite the same thing) run by a steadily diminishing number of people actually elected there. The way the votes were going, if it hadn't been for the Scottish Parliament you can imagine the reaction to Scotland being run by unelected Tory MPs from outwith the country and by peers. As things are, Mr Mundell fortunately has the LDs to accompany him.
That is at the root of where we are today, facing an indy referendum. The Tories created that problem (and I can still not quite believe how appallingly they have managed to do that, given the nature of the Tory vote and Scottish society in the 1950s and 1960s). You may not like that but enough people voted for a party which offered that democratic choice, which I must add parenthetically is a damn sight more than the unionist parties did once Labour had tried to tackle the problem with the Parliament (despite Ms Alexander's urging, which was prescient).
Look how well the Tories do even in the Scottish Parliament as it is now, with its rather different voting system. It is much healthier that Ms Fitalass and Messrs DavidL and Easterross actually get some representation whatever happens in London (which has very seriously shaken me in many ways which I won't go into here). Ms Goldie did a pretty good job of maintaining their point of view during the SNP minority administration and because of that she managed to get some things done her way when Labour were still throwing their toys out of the pram and the LDs didn't have a clue what was going on (though I still think voting for the trams was criminal in terms of opportunities lost as well as the cash). To break the link with London will have a very healthy effect on them and one I can't predict with any confidence.
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Oh don't! You're better than this!!antifrank said:
That poll bounce for UKIP is so visible in today's Populus poll isn't it?isam said:
I like you Antifrank, but why are you spinning this line about the Clegg-Farage debate so persistently?antifrank said:Has anyone mentioned the Populus most-noticed poll this week?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk8rClxCQAA9xCQ.jpg
Four times as many people picked up on the Maria Miller expenses story as picked up last week on the Clegg-Farage debate. More people noticed the royal visit to New Zealand this week than noticed the first Clegg-Farage debate two weeks ago.
Note also the impact of Oscar Pistorius' trial.
Another way of interpreting those figures would be to say five times more people noticed the second debate than Kate and Wills NZ visit, but no one can be bothered to do that
The fact that the debate is still in the top ten this week, having happened last week proves you wrong doesn't it? As does the poll bounce for UKIP and the slump of the nations 4th party0 -
Sometimes he is... Evens about Conservatives in Berwick...JackW said:0 -
Not too sure Mr Fitalass would be too keen on that policy and modesty forfids what Fitalass might think !!Alanbrooke said:very simple solution Fitalass, Scottish women go on a sex strike 6 weeks before 18.09.14 to be lifted only on a no vote :-)
As for Mrs JackW .... No chance !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You were looking in a mirror as you posted that .Stuart_Dickson said:
Fess up you little fibber. You love sub-samples. They make you all moist and excited. You just cannot stand it when someone else gives them the look.MarkSenior said:
Nope you idiot , I am saying that any decline in the LD vote will not be uniform , it will be greater in say the West Midlands and less in say London .Stuart_Dickson said:
Ho ho. Mark is pinning his hopes on the sub-samples. What a chump.MarkSenior said:
All the Euro opinion polls even those with LD's at 9% show they will keep several seats because the decline is not uniform . London is pretty consistently the area with the highest LD % .Daniel said:
IMHO? no. Opinion polls have LD's at 9% - would lose all MEPs. UKIP very strong in South East, Greens have pockets of support in some areas. I expect Labour to dominate in London, along with Tories, UKIP and Greens - LD's will get drowned out.anotherDave said:Is it certain? Aren't the LD MEPs likely to hang on in London and the South East?
I cannot see, again my opinion, LD's doing well and gaining enough support to keep any seats.
But I'm more keen in the local elections; it is a perfect time to analysis just have strongly UKIP do take voters Labour. Council elections are predominately in Labour heartlands this year.
FWIW I have taken up a small wager with Paddypower that LD's will get 2 or more seats in the Euro elections at 5/6 .0 -
Funny folk these Lib Dems. Most people prefer to bet against some one they don't like, makes taking the dough all the sweeterStuart_Dickson said:
Fess up you little fibber. You love sub-samples. They make you all moist and excited. You just cannot stand it when someone else gives them the look.MarkSenior said:
Nope you idiot , I am saying that any decline in the LD vote will not be uniform , it will be greater in say the West Midlands and less in say London .Stuart_Dickson said:
Ho ho. Mark is pinning his hopes on the sub-samples. What a chump.MarkSenior said:
All the Euro opinion polls even those with LD's at 9% show they will keep several seats because the decline is not uniform . London is pretty consistently the area with the highest LD % .Daniel said:
IMHO? no. Opinion polls have LD's at 9% - would lose all MEPs. UKIP very strong in South East, Greens have pockets of support in some areas. I expect Labour to dominate in London, along with Tories, UKIP and Greens - LD's will get drowned out.anotherDave said:Is it certain? Aren't the LD MEPs likely to hang on in London and the South East?
I cannot see, again my opinion, LD's doing well and gaining enough support to keep any seats.
But I'm more keen in the local elections; it is a perfect time to analysis just have strongly UKIP do take voters Labour. Council elections are predominately in Labour heartlands this year.
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Stuart / Mark - this flirting has to stop. Get a room!Stuart_Dickson said:
Fess up you little fibber. You love sub-samples. They make you all moist and excited. You just cannot stand it when someone else gives them the look.MarkSenior said:
Nope you idiot , I am saying that any decline in the LD vote will not be uniform , it will be greater in say the West Midlands and less in say London .Stuart_Dickson said:
Ho ho. Mark is pinning his hopes on the sub-samples. What a chump.MarkSenior said:
All the Euro opinion polls even those with LD's at 9% show they will keep several seats because the decline is not uniform . London is pretty consistently the area with the highest LD % .Daniel said:
IMHO? no. Opinion polls have LD's at 9% - would lose all MEPs. UKIP very strong in South East, Greens have pockets of support in some areas. I expect Labour to dominate in London, along with Tories, UKIP and Greens - LD's will get drowned out.anotherDave said:Is it certain? Aren't the LD MEPs likely to hang on in London and the South East?
I cannot see, again my opinion, LD's doing well and gaining enough support to keep any seats.
But I'm more keen in the local elections; it is a perfect time to analysis just have strongly UKIP do take voters Labour. Council elections are predominately in Labour heartlands this year.0 -
LOL, I like the Lederhosen but it would be suicide walking about Ayrshire in them , would have to be Germany and bonus would be the beer. Happy with a special skirt but does not go with sandals, you need at least a nice pair of brogues.Alanbrooke said:malcolmg said:
Dear Dear Alan, you are losing the plot now as well, there is no hope.Alanbrooke said:
Well of course Salmond has a woman problem, the nats are a bunch of blunt irate blokes who ignore ladies and seek male company in a kind of clannish way. There's something vaguely homoerotic about it, think of the film 300 with body hair.john_zims said:@MonikerDiCanio
Salmond's clearly got a women problem,all the publicity about his troughing can't have helped or maybe they just see through all the bluff,bluster and bull$hit.
'Only 28.5 per cent of the female electorate would now vote for independence, down from 32.5 per cent in March, according to the Survation poll. Support for the No camp was much higher among women than men (51 per cent compared to 44 per cent).'
admit it malc there's nothing more you want to do than buy some nice strappy sandals and walk round Ayshire in a tartan skirt.0 -
Alan, have you seen the Highland regiment uniforms? For instance, those in the regimental museum in Stirling Castle? The sporrans are so huge and hairy there is absolutely no doubt of the gender it is intended to convey. None of those Spartan comrades pulling each others' hairs out with tweezers before a nice supper of blood soup or whatever it was they ate.Alanbrooke said:malcolmg said:
Dear Dear Alan, you are losing the plot now as well, there is no hope.Alanbrooke said:
Well of course Salmond has a woman problem, the nats are a bunch of blunt irate blokes who ignore ladies and seek male company in a kind of clannish way. There's something vaguely homoerotic about it, think of the film 300 with body hair.john_zims said:@MonikerDiCanio
Salmond's clearly got a women problem,all the publicity about his troughing can't have helped or maybe they just see through all the bluff,bluster and bull$hit.
'Only 28.5 per cent of the female electorate would now vote for independence, down from 32.5 per cent in March, according to the Survation poll. Support for the No camp was much higher among women than men (51 per cent compared to 44 per cent).'
admit it malc there's nothing more you want to do than buy some nice strappy sandals and walk round Ayshire in a tartan skirt.
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Your chums in SLAB thought the exact same thing months out from the 2011 scottish election. How did that turn out again?fitalass said:That article is bang on the money in all the points it makes as to why women are not being persuaded by the Yes Campaign.
As accurate as your prediction that Annabel Goldie was safe mere hours before she quit.
LOL
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'That article is bang on the money in all the points it makes' (trans. from Fitalassian) - 'that article precisely reflects all my personal prejudices'.fitalass said:That article is bang on the money in all the points it makes as to why women are not being persuaded by the Yes Campaign. I have said before over the years that I have always found Salmond a very cold fish, excuse the pun.
But right now Salmond is the spiv in a suit asking a lot of women to take the biggest gamble of their lives on their future financial security to realise a nationalist dream of independence they don't share. Its going to be interesting to look back and compare Salmond's personal ratings over the term of this Holyrood Parliament after the Indy Ref and nearer the Scottish elections.MonikerDiCanio said:An piece on Salmond's inability to attract female voters;
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jennyhjul/100266741/alex-salmond-fails-to-lure-the-female-voter/
Ipsos satisfaction ratings Sep 2013 - Women
Salmond -4 (DK 14%)
Davidson +3 (DK 42%)
Lamont +11 (DK 39%)
Cameron -25 (DK 10%)
Sturgeon +18 (DK 20%)
Darling +7 (DK 36%)
Scottish women can obviously see a spiv in a suit a mile off.
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Is there a female breakdown by age - is Salmond more popular with older women ?fitalass said:That article is bang on the money in all the points it makes as to why women are not being persuaded by the Yes Campaign. I have said before over the years that I have always found Salmond a very cold fish, excuse the pun.
But right now Salmond is the spiv in a suit asking a lot of women to take the biggest gamble of their lives on their future financial security to realise a nationalist dream of independence they don't share. Its going to be interesting to look back and compare Salmond's personal ratings over the term of this Holyrood Parliament after the Indy Ref and nearer the Scottish elections.MonikerDiCanio said:An piece on Salmond's inability to attract female voters;
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jennyhjul/100266741/alex-salmond-fails-to-lure-the-female-voter/0 -
@Carnyx
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that the party system encourages overcentralisation is hardly unique to the conservatives. It has happened with all national parties and the corollary of your representation thread is EVEL and Labour's botched devolution. Indeed much of your approach is simply repeating the idiocy of Brown and Scottish Labour in the 1980s where the vilified southern Tories were responsible for all Scotland's ills. In effect they did half the SNP's job for them and the wedges they drove between different parts of these islands are now starting to work against them. Not only have they half neutered themselves but they've spent their time fighting the wrong enemy. Paradoxically post indy ref and assuming Scotland stays put the evil tory theme will have to fall from labour's arguments or they will continue to slice their own throats.0 -
They should just be listening to their men and voting the right way , none of this bra burning stuff. Just do what's right and make sure their man's tea is on the table.fitalass said:That article is bang on the money in all the points it makes as to why women are not being persuaded by the Yes Campaign. I have said before over the years that I have always found Salmond a very cold fish, excuse the pun.
But right now Salmond is the spiv in a suit asking a lot of women to take the biggest gamble of their lives on their future financial security to realise a nationalist dream of independence they don't share. Its going to be interesting to look back and compare Salmond's personal ratings over the term of this Holyrood Parliament after the Indy Ref and nearer the Scottish elections.MonikerDiCanio said:An piece on Salmond's inability to attract female voters;
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jennyhjul/100266741/alex-salmond-fails-to-lure-the-female-voter/0 -
incompetent fop.
YouGov @YouGov Apr 10
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Women in the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders ????Carnyx said:
Alan, have you seen the Highland regiment uniforms? For instance, those in the regimental museum in Stirling Castle? The sporrans are so huge and hairy there is absolutely no doubt of the gender it is intended to convey. None of those Spartan comrades pulling each others' hairs out with tweezers before a nice supper of blood soup or whatever it was they ate.Alanbrooke said:malcolmg said:
Dear Dear Alan, you are losing the plot now as well, there is no hope.Alanbrooke said:
Well of course Salmond has a woman problem, the nats are a bunch of blunt irate blokes who ignore ladies and seek male company in a kind of clannish way. There's something vaguely homoerotic about it, think of the film 300 with body hair.john_zims said:@MonikerDiCanio
Salmond's clearly got a women problem,all the publicity about his troughing can't have helped or maybe they just see through all the bluff,bluster and bull$hit.
'Only 28.5 per cent of the female electorate would now vote for independence, down from 32.5 per cent in March, according to the Survation poll. Support for the No camp was much higher among women than men (51 per cent compared to 44 per cent).'
admit it malc there's nothing more you want to do than buy some nice strappy sandals and walk round Ayshire in a tartan skirt.
Shirley Shum Mishtayk ????
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As both Edward Timpson and Chloe Smith won their seats in by-elections barely a year before GE2010 they are in effect 1st time incumbentsAndyJS said:2010 Tories retiring on the list: Jonathan Evans, Lorraine Fullbrook, Jessica Lee, Aidan Burley.
Tories on the list elected before 2010: Stewart Jackson, Lee Scott, Edward Timpson, Stephen Crabb, Chloe Smith, David Mundell.
I missed Chloe Smith before, so 76 not 77 will be Tory first-time incumbents.
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Theuniondivvie said:
'That article is bang on the money in all the points it makes' (trans. from Fitalassian) - 'that article precisely reflects all my personal prejudices'.fitalass said:That article is bang on the money in all the points it makes as to why women are not being persuaded by the Yes Campaign. I have said before over the years that I have always found Salmond a very cold fish, excuse the pun.
But right now Salmond is the spiv in a suit asking a lot of women to take the biggest gamble of their lives on their future financial security to realise a nationalist dream of independence they don't share. Its going to be interesting to look back and compare Salmond's personal ratings over the term of this Holyrood Parliament after the Indy Ref and nearer the Scottish elections.MonikerDiCanio said:An piece on Salmond's inability to attract female voters;
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jennyhjul/100266741/alex-salmond-fails-to-lure-the-female-voter/
Ipsos satisfaction ratings Sep 2013 - Women
Salmond -4 (DK 14%)
Davidson +3 (DK 42%)
Lamont +11 (DK 39%)
Cameron -25 (DK 10%)
Sturgeon +18 (DK 20%)
Darling +7 (DK 36%)
Scottish women can obviously see a spiv in a suit a mile off.
Fitalassian. I'll have to remember that one.0 -
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Tesco's "finest swiss 72% dark chocolate" is v.nice.0 -
Now you're having a laugh, a sporran is simply a front hung handbag. It's where pipers keep their make-up.Carnyx said:
Alan, have you seen the Highland regiment uniforms? For instance, those in the regimental museum in Stirling Castle? The sporrans are so huge and hairy there is absolutely no doubt of the gender it is intended to convey. None of those Spartan comrades pulling each others' hairs out with tweezers before a nice supper of blood soup or whatever it was they ate.Alanbrooke said:malcolmg said:
Dear Dear Alan, you are losing the plot now as well, there is no hope.Alanbrooke said:
Well of course Salmond has a woman problem, the nats are a bunch of blunt irate blokes who ignore ladies and seek male company in a kind of clannish way. There's something vaguely homoerotic about it, think of the film 300 with body hair.john_zims said:@MonikerDiCanio
Salmond's clearly got a women problem,all the publicity about his troughing can't have helped or maybe they just see through all the bluff,bluster and bull$hit.
'Only 28.5 per cent of the female electorate would now vote for independence, down from 32.5 per cent in March, according to the Survation poll. Support for the No camp was much higher among women than men (51 per cent compared to 44 per cent).'
admit it malc there's nothing more you want to do than buy some nice strappy sandals and walk round Ayshire in a tartan skirt.0 -
I think there is also a degree of confusion in certain quarters. This is talking about Mr Salmond and you have picked it correctly. (How did the LD chappie score BTW?)Theuniondivvie said:
'That article is bang on the money in all the points it makes' (trans. from Fitalassian) - 'that article precisely reflects all my personal prejudices'.fitalass said:That article is bang on the money in all the points it makes as to why women are not being persuaded by the Yes Campaign. I have said before over the years that I have always found Salmond a very cold fish, excuse the pun.
But right now Salmond is the spiv in a suit asking a lot of women to take the biggest gamble of their lives on their future financial security to realise a nationalist dream of independence they don't share. Its going to be interesting to look back and compare Salmond's personal ratings over the term of this Holyrood Parliament after the Indy Ref and nearer the Scottish elections.MonikerDiCanio said:An piece on Salmond's inability to attract female voters;
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jennyhjul/100266741/alex-salmond-fails-to-lure-the-female-voter/
Ipsos satisfaction ratings Sep 2013 - Women
Salmond -4 (DK 14%)
Davidson +3 (DK 42%)
Lamont +11 (DK 39%)
Cameron -25 (DK 10%)
Sturgeon +18 (DK 20%)
Darling +7 (DK 36%)
Scottish women can obviously see a spiv in a suit a mile off.
These polls which are for indy yes/no are not talking about Mr Salmond, convenient as it is for some to given him the Emmanuel Goldstein treatment. To make my point, it is just as logical for them to be interpreted as young ladies swooning at Mr Osborne's debonair looks. Or those of Mr Miliband with his Darceyesque air and firm, robust statement of One nation!
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Ha Ha.TGOHF said:
Is there a female breakdown by age - is Salmond more popular with older women ?fitalass said:That article is bang on the money in all the points it makes as to why women are not being persuaded by the Yes Campaign. I have said before over the years that I have always found Salmond a very cold fish, excuse the pun.
But right now Salmond is the spiv in a suit asking a lot of women to take the biggest gamble of their lives on their future financial security to realise a nationalist dream of independence they don't share. Its going to be interesting to look back and compare Salmond's personal ratings over the term of this Holyrood Parliament after the Indy Ref and nearer the Scottish elections.MonikerDiCanio said:An piece on Salmond's inability to attract female voters;
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jennyhjul/100266741/alex-salmond-fails-to-lure-the-female-voter/0 -
Those were Victorian uniforms IIRC! I hardly think there was much chance of that, with the morning inspection as immortalised in Up the Khyber Pass ...JackW said:
Women in the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders ????Carnyx said:
Alan, have you seen the Highland regiment uniforms? For instance, those in the regimental museum in Stirling Castle? The sporrans are so huge and hairy there is absolutely no doubt of the gender it is intended to convey. None of those Spartan comrades pulling each others' hairs out with tweezers before a nice supper of blood soup or whatever it was they ate.Alanbrooke said:malcolmg said:
Dear Dear Alan, you are losing the plot now as well, there is no hope.Alanbrooke said:
Well of course Salmond has a woman problem, the nats are a bunch of blunt irate blokes who ignore ladies and seek male company in a kind of clannish way. There's something vaguely homoerotic about it, think of the film 300 with body hair.john_zims said:@MonikerDiCanio
Salmond's clearly got a women problem,all the publicity about his troughing can't have helped or maybe they just see through all the bluff,bluster and bull$hit.
'Only 28.5 per cent of the female electorate would now vote for independence, down from 32.5 per cent in March, according to the Survation poll. Support for the No camp was much higher among women than men (51 per cent compared to 44 per cent).'
admit it malc there's nothing more you want to do than buy some nice strappy sandals and walk round Ayshire in a tartan skirt.
Shirley Shum Mishtayk ????
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Incompetent fop.
ConservativeGR @ToryGrassroots 4h
Maria Miller: David Cameron pays the price for grievous lapse of judgment - via @Telegraph http://fw.to/aBafad
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