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Sadly Mr MD, that's not on the cards, you are not nearly pious enough to fall into that category, you don't pronounce judgement swiftly nor lecture inadvisablly, in fact you are a thoughtful fellow.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Root, is this a reference to my forthcoming ascension to the Archbishopric of Canterbury?
I have been as guilty in the past as any in passing judgement, but since my wife died, I have been a lot more contemplative.
Others would do well to take a look at themselves, if they can without "sin" cast the first stone so to speak, then so be it.. Personally I don't buy this crap being put about that there are large swathes of the populus who have never done anything wrong. Its a load of sh*t.
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On BBC website pundits are mostly going for Sergio Garcia, Rory McIlroy and Jason DayMikeK said:
I can give you three likely and one unlikely winner of this years masters.JackW said:PB Golf Brains Trust Call
Might I ask of the collective wisdom of the sundry Sunday hackers hereabouts if perchance there is a tasty morsel of collective grey matter on the likely recipient of that male garment of the blazered green variety.
In short - a tip for the US Masters ?
1. Matt Kuchar
2. Jason Day
3. Dustin Johnson
And in the unlikely event that he starts playing well, Ernie Els. I would love to see Ernie in a Green Jacket.0 -
BLUE ON BLUE INCOMING ON OVERLOAD:
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/isabel-hardman/2014/04/michael-fabricant-sacked-what-about-other-hs2-opponents/0 -
Mr. Barnes, I'd take Cameron as PM over Blair or Brown in a heartbeat. So far he's managed to avoid either misleading Parliament to con it into an ill-conceived war or giving us the worst recession in British history.
That's not to say he's a great PM. He isn't. He's mediocre. But when the rivals to mediocrity are craven EU-philia and a man whose approach to commodities was outdated in the 4th century it's not a hard choice.
Edited extra bit F1: more bad news for Ferrari as they only manage 12 laps on the second and final day of the Bahrain test:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/26961345
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I see the Speccie has picked up on the timing of Fabricant's sacking - i.e. how has he remained in post for even this long?
'It’s difficult to know what astonished people more about Michael Fabricant’s sacking: that he has lost his job or that he was still in a role that required some semblance of collective responsibility. Shortly after assuming the role of Vice Chair of the Conservative Party, he called for a pact with Ukip.'
On Fabo's HS2 wrecking measure:
'Yes, that’s an amendment declining to give the high-speed rail bill a second reading. Which is awkward when it’s a flagship piece of Conservative legislation. It is also a bit awkward because it has David Davis as one of the signatories, along with Sir Edward Leigh and Jeremy Lefroy. Davis has a habit of pitching up whenever there’s trouble in the same way as iron filings have a habit of rushing towards a magnet.'
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/isabel-hardman/2014/04/michael-fabricant-sacked-what-about-other-hs2-opponents/0 -
For what it is worth, Mr. Stopper, I think you and your colleagues have been treated dreadfully, especially when compared with the plod. That said maybe a large part of your problem has been, and arguably still is, the FBU - can't claim public service exception and behave like BL in the early 70s.TwistedFireStopper said:
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I'm not asking for more money, I manage on 28 grand a year (19 takehome). I wouldn't mind a bit more, obviously. If they could have just left my pension alone, though....0 -
Thank you and also to @philiphMikeK said:
I can give you three likely and one unlikely winner of this years masters.JackW said:PB Golf Brains Trust Call
Might I ask of the collective wisdom of the sundry Sunday hackers hereabouts if perchance there is a tasty morsel of collective grey matter on the likely recipient of that male garment of the blazered green variety.
In short - a tip for the US Masters ?
1. Matt Kuchar
2. Jason Day
3. Dustin Johnson
And in the unlikely event that he starts playing well, Ernie Els. I would love to see Ernie in a Green Jacket.
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Sun Politics @Sun_Politics · 1 min
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down one to three points: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 10%, UKIP 14%
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YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down one to three points: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 10%, UKIP 14%0
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Like my Mrs keeps telling me, Matt Wrack ain't no Bob Crow, and we can't bring London to a standstill!HurstLlama said:
For what it is worth, Mr. Stopper, I think you and your colleagues have been treated dreadfully, especially when compared with the plod. That said maybe a large part of your problem has been, and arguably still is, the FBU - can't claim public service exception and behave like BL in the early 70s.TwistedFireStopper said:
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I'm not asking for more money, I manage on 28 grand a year (19 takehome). I wouldn't mind a bit more, obviously. If they could have just left my pension alone, though....
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Mr. T, I plan my 'serious' stuff in quite a lot of detail, especially my WIP which is the first part of a trilogy and has to work both in itself and setting the scene for storylines that will be wrapped up in books 2 and 3.
My first comedy I had a vague plan (I knew the ending and a few approximate adventures in between) but was basically making it up as I went along, which worked remarkably well. On the other hand, comedy's harder to write (for me) and many days I got nothing at all done.
Edited extra bit: and thanks very much for your answer, 'tis interesting.0 -
BLUE ON BLUE INCOMING (Apologies for the delays, there are that many flying about, me and Basil are struggling to keep up and have had to park the goalposts in a safe place)
http://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2014/04/mps-are-increasingly-wary-of-sticking-their-necks-out-for-the-government-in-a-crisis.html
Latest comment from Tory on Conhome : "David Cameron has the political sophistication of a school boy. He is all over the place and an embarrassment to behold with his favourites versus the ex-communicated ones. This is supposed to be a government running the country."0 -
PINK ON BLUE INCOMING:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3a7a8a46-bff8-11e3-bfbc-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2yQPmaqly0 -
Even the Maria Miller affair couldn't reverse Labour's slide. They're going to lose the GE, quite heavily.Tykejohnno said:Sun Politics @Sun_Politics · 1 min
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down one to three points: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 10%, UKIP 14%
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Many thanks. Oh my fur and whiskers, that is utterly appalling. To say it's like something out of 18th century London is an understatement!TwistedFireStopper said:
I'm on a tablet that doesn't play well with YouTube, but try this one. It's private fire departments, same as the link that DoctorFox posted. We like to use this one as an argument against privatisation!Carnyx said:
How about two or three links to your favourites?TwistedFireStopper said:
I love stories like that, its just plain barmy. Seriously, the standards of firefighter training, competence and procedures in the US is just so random, it's scary. It veers from gungho to keystone cops and all points in between, from FDNY to Hicksville. Whenever I give a watch technical training lecture, I always manage to find a YouTube vid from America on how NOT to do it.foxinsoxuk said:Ever consider a transfer to this lot?:http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/12/07/9272989-firefighters-let-home-burn-over-75-fee-again
Now there is an organisation that knows its taxpayers!TwistedFireStopper said:
Can't climb trees, health and safety says no. You need a tree surgeon for that job, he's got the climbing kit and training.SeanT said:
Until you realise that all firemen do, 90% of their time, is sit around on their arses posting on political betting websites, in between the odd foray to go rescue a kitten up a sycamore.BobaFett said:
If 18 grand is what you earn full time as a fireman then I would say that is scandalously underpaid for someone who saves lives. I must admit I didn't realise that.TwistedFireStopper said:Richard, Avery and Bobajob have put up passionate, well thought out arguments about employment law and cabinet ministers, and being hounded out of a job. Obviously, I can't argue about the legal niceties, as I do not have a Scooby about them.
I'm just peed off that cabinet ministers who get binned can claim 18 grand (Avery tells me that's "only" two months pay for a cabinet minister).
The likes of Huhne, Laws and gawd knows how many New Labour failed ministers were all eligible to claim it.
Millionaire failed ministers, collecting not far off my take home pay, even the ones who resign in disgrace, but still keeping their MP job, and all that entails.
That just doesn't sit well.
*ducks*
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=MrFFU5OOFMGV7AbnhoH4Dw&url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhD_5T4F7aw&cd=1&ved=0CCsQtwIwAA&usg=AFQjCNEocq5T5DqbhCmC9CdU0xt6Im0fBQ&sig2=O3baZBQ9v7vTk8xHUISj6g
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I'd agree. Nothing is completely without impact, but the catalyst for all this was more expenses dodginess which no party can claim the higher ground on, and Cameron's handling of it was exactly that of a man who didn't want to fire someone but it wouldn't go away so he had no choice - not exactly hugely confident, but the alternative, sacking her immediately when she had paid the punishment she had been told to (with as little grace as possible) would doubtless have been attacked as well (we know this because with Mitchell he was attacked for taking too long to sack him, and then later for sacking him at all - the point is to find a rod to beat him with, and if it wasn't not sacking soon enough, it would be look at how disloyal he is to his own people, sacking them at the drop of a hat). In short, it's small stuff which plays better if you're already committed to the attack lines it generates for the opposition, so unlikely to have any longer term impact, even if it lasted surprisingly well thus far.GIN1138 said:These squalls come and go for all governments. I doubt the effects will be particularly long lasting, though the timing is unfortunate with the euro elections so close.
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Michael Fabricant @Mike_Fabricant · 43 secs
.@deejayhome @Jim_Watford I think, in fairness, DC gave me a 4th, 5th, and 6th chance!!
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ARF!MonikerDiCanio said:
Even the Maria Miller affair couldn't reverse Labour's slide. They're going to lose the GE, quite heavily.Tykejohnno said:Sun Politics @Sun_Politics · 1 min
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down one to three points: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 10%, UKIP 14%0 -
Hmm. I actually thought Labour's lead would creep up again, after the grateful masses had given their polling genuflection to Ozzy's masterly budget. But the low single-figure lead looks as if it's becoming embedded. If so, and if Dave can play a blinder with his leader's speech, then my prediction of crossover during conference season looks nailed on.Tykejohnno said:Sun Politics @Sun_Politics · 1 min
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down one to three points: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 10%, UKIP 14%0 -
That's the way to do it. Bravo Fabricant.Tykejohnno said:Michael Fabricant @Mike_Fabricant · 43 secs
.@deejayhome @Jim_Watford I think, in fairness, DC gave me a 4th, 5th, and 6th chance!!
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Shapps is apparently the one that demanded Fabricant go.
Honestly is there no limits to that mans incompetence0 -
A clickbaiter straining like an obese constipated man to try and wring some limp-dicked outrage from those gullible enough to fall for the obvious fakery?? How dare you sir!isam said:"Completely misinformed and entirely wrong" for saying I think fireman should get a lot more than £27k a year?
I think you're trying too hard
Gertcha!
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Commenting about politics online is already strange behaviour, so I'd imagine most people on here and other corners of the political blogosphere have other eccentricities of opinion or manner. Mine is super self satisfaction.Barnes said:Don't know about anyone else, but coming on a political betting website boasting about your large easy earnings whilst deliberately trolling a fireman for being lazy seems like the behaviour or a very strange person to me.
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Nick Robinson's report going on about Maria Miller costing Con votes???
Seriously - walk down the High street tomorrow and would even 10% of people have heard of her?0 -
Then the fop's PR timing was exquisite as usual. Micky Fab has to get the boot for saying "at last" which absolutely nobody in the tory party was thinking.Tykejohnno said:Michael Fabricant @Mike_Fabricant · 43 secs
.@deejayhome @Jim_Watford I think, in fairness, DC gave me a 4th, 5th, and 6th chance!!
Apart from this lot.
Mark Wallace @wallaceme 14h
Last night we revealed @ConHome that 82% of Tory Party members wanted Miller to go http://bit.ly/1sxtFPh
A PR master strategy indeed.0 -
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Shapps is apparently the one that demanded Fabricant go.
Honestly is there no limits to that mans incompetence
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It will probably have little impact, if at all. However, if Labour can gain traction with spinning about Cameron's apparent weakness on the matter, conflating that with Miller's own troughing, and there's a slim chance it could happen. Such spinning helped tip the balance in my own shift of opinion toward the Coalition being incompetent about a year and a half ago, though trying in essence to say Cameron is crooked or woeful because he didn't sack Miller soon enough will be a harder sell, and harder to generalise into a point that could be picked up by the masses.MikeL said:Nick Robinson's report going on about Maria Miller costing Con votes???
Seriously - walk down the High street tomorrow and would even 10% of people have heard of her?0 -
I'm being trolled, ain't I?SeanT said:
Oh, I don't know, you could threaten to stop doing crosswords during work hours, or you could menace us with cats left unstranded in trees, or you could explain how your job is marginally more dangerous than being a cashier.TwistedFireStopper said:
Like my Mrs keeps telling me, Matt Wrack ain't no Bob Crow, and we can't bring London to a standstill!HurstLlama said:
For what it is worth, Mr. Stopper, I think you and your colleagues have been treated dreadfully, especially when compared with the plod. That said maybe a large part of your problem has been, and arguably still is, the FBU - can't claim public service exception and behave like BL in the early 70s.TwistedFireStopper said:
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I'm not asking for more money, I manage on 28 grand a year (19 takehome). I wouldn't mind a bit more, obviously. If they could have just left my pension alone, though....
I'm not asking for more money, I merely pointed out that failed cabinet ministers get nearly my annual take home pay as a bung for getting binned back onto the back benches.
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FPT:
Is RobD around? I answered your question about Labour candidates.
143 out of 353 selected so far are women = 40.5%.0 -
UKIP on 14% is the highest they've been on YouGov for some time. Is YouGov laying the ground, and getting ready for a UKIP surge and triumph on May 22nd?Stark_Dawning said:
Hmm. I actually thought Labour's lead would creep up again, after the grateful masses had given their polling genuflection to Ozzy's masterly budget. But the low single-figure lead looks as if it's becoming embedded. If so, and if Dave can play a blinder with his leader's speech, then my prediction of crossover during conference season looks nailed on.Tykejohnno said:Sun Politics @Sun_Politics · 1 min
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down one to three points: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 10%, UKIP 14%
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So if the latest you gov is accurate, the Tories are 3% down on the GE and ukip are 10% up yet apparently ukip have gained most votes from the Tories.0
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Michael Fabricant @Mike_Fabricant · 2 mins
Actually, the 'sacking' was done in a civilised way. The Mail has it sort of right.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2600968/Well-time-Tory-vice-chairman-Michael-Fabricant-sacked-tweeting-relief-resignation-Maria-Miller-expenses-row.html …
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Mr. Stopper, To maintain proper fire brigades the personnel will have to move into the 21st century, the late 19th early 20th century attitude to industrial relations of the FBU must be binned. Otherwise G4S/Serco WILL take over. It is awful, it is unfair but it is the reality. The FBU has been the most destructive force in the Fire Service. The pity is they could have done so much more for their members.TwistedFireStopper said:
Like my Mrs keeps telling me, Matt Wrack ain't no Bob Crow, and we can't bring London to a standstill!HurstLlama said:
For what it is worth, Mr. Stopper, I think you and your colleagues have been treated dreadfully, especially when compared with the plod. That said maybe a large part of your problem has been, and arguably still is, the FBU - can't claim public service exception and behave like BL in the early 70s.TwistedFireStopper said:
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I'm not asking for more money, I manage on 28 grand a year (19 takehome). I wouldn't mind a bit more, obviously. If they could have just left my pension alone, though....
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Do you have a 2nd job?TwistedFireStopper said:
I'm being trolled, ain't I?SeanT said:
Oh, I don't know, you could threaten to stop doing crosswords during work hours, or you could menace us with cats left unstranded in trees, or you could explain how your job is marginally more dangerous than being a cashier.TwistedFireStopper said:
Like my Mrs keeps telling me, Matt Wrack ain't no Bob Crow, and we can't bring London to a standstill!HurstLlama said:
For what it is worth, Mr. Stopper, I think you and your colleagues have been treated dreadfully, especially when compared with the plod. That said maybe a large part of your problem has been, and arguably still is, the FBU - can't claim public service exception and behave like BL in the early 70s.TwistedFireStopper said:
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I'm not asking for more money, I manage on 28 grand a year (19 takehome). I wouldn't mind a bit more, obviously. If they could have just left my pension alone, though....
I'm not asking for more money, I merely pointed out that failed cabinet ministers get nearly my annual take home pay as a bung for getting binned back onto the back benches.0 -
"The above poll, by ComRes for ITV News, was taken this afternoon after the news of Maria Miller’s resignation was announced and shows what voters thought of David Cameron’s handling of the expenses issue.
The numbers speak for themselves."
Not on here they don't.0 -
I think that in the USA Check out girls get shot by armed robbers every now and then. Its probably safer in Oadby Waitrose.SeanT said:
OF COURSE you are being trolled. I just thought I'd have some pejorative fun as a corrective to Bobafett's ludicrous Fellating of All Firemen.TwistedFireStopper said:
I'm being trolled, ain't I?SeanT said:
Oh, I don't know, you could threaten to stop doing crosswords during work hours, or you could menace us with cats left unstranded in trees, or you could explain how your job is marginally more dangerous than being a cashier.TwistedFireStopper said:
Like my Mrs keeps telling me, Matt Wrack ain't no Bob Crow, and we can't bring London to a standstill!HurstLlama said:
For what it is worth, Mr. Stopper, I think you and your colleagues have been treated dreadfully, especially when compared with the plod. That said maybe a large part of your problem has been, and arguably still is, the FBU - can't claim public service exception and behave like BL in the early 70s.TwistedFireStopper said:
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I'm not asking for more money, I manage on 28 grand a year (19 takehome). I wouldn't mind a bit more, obviously. If they could have just left my pension alone, though....
I'm not asking for more money, I merely pointed out that failed cabinet ministers get nearly my take home pay as a bung for getting binned back onto the back benches.
That said, while I always suspected that being a Fireman wasn't that dangerous at all (how often do you hear about firemen dying? Never?) I was surprised to discover your job is less dangerous than most jobs, and about as risky as being a check-out girl.0 -
I'm gonna sound like a cock now, but we don't die, because, we're probably the best Fire and Rescue Service in the World, professional, best trained, not too shabbily equipped, excellent procedures, and not too badly restricted by health and safety. Just look at the International Search and Rescue side of things. If there's an earthquake, we're the kiddies you want turning up ( providing we can get a plane out in time). We even teach the Yanks a thing or two.SeanT said:
OF COURSE you are being trolled. I just thought I'd have some pejorative fun as a corrective to Bobafett's ludicrous Fellating of All Firemen.TwistedFireStopper said:
I'm being trolled, ain't I?SeanT said:
Oh, I don't know, you could threaten to stop doing crosswords during work hours, or you could menace us with cats left unstranded in trees, or you could explain how your job is marginally more dangerous than being a cashier.TwistedFireStopper said:
Like my Mrs keeps telling me, Matt Wrack ain't no Bob Crow, and we can't bring London to a standstill!HurstLlama said:
For what it is worth, Mr. Stopper, I think you and your colleagues have been treated dreadfully, especially when compared with the plod. That said maybe a large part of your problem has been, and arguably still is, the FBU - can't claim public service exception and behave like BL in the early 70s.TwistedFireStopper said:
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I'm not asking for more money, I manage on 28 grand a year (19 takehome). I wouldn't mind a bit more, obviously. If they could have just left my pension alone, though....
I'm not asking for more money, I merely pointed out that failed cabinet ministers get nearly my take home pay as a bung for getting binned back onto the back benches.
That said, while I always suspected that being a Fireman wasn't that dangerous at all (how often do you hear about firemen dying? Never?) I was surprised to discover your job is less dangerous than most jobs, and about as risky as being a check-out girl.
On the danger side, I guess the thing is, every day I go to work, there is the potential for drama. It aint The Towering Inferno everyday.
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Since we're talking about firemen: I was talking to a friend over the weekend who until very recently was a retained fireman. They had the classic call a few weeks ago - cat has been stuck up a tree for two days, won't come down. So they put up a ladder and one of the lads climbs up and tries to rescue the cat, which is having none of it. Negotiations continue for a while, but the cat is adamant that it's not budging. Eventually the fireman gets a bit over-enthusiastic, tries to grab the cat, which promptly and viciously scratches his face, runs down the tree... then legs it at full speed to the next tree, and scrabbles up to the top of it.
I think at that point they gave up.0 -
Michael Fabricant @Mike_Fabricant · 40 secs
Am being a decent sort. Have refused appearances on Newsnight, Today, and even LBC! But will be available for Barmitzvahs & other functions
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No, but if you're offering?currystar said:
Do you have a 2nd job?TwistedFireStopper said:
I'm being trolled, ain't I?SeanT said:
Oh, I don't know, you could threaten to stop doing crosswords during work hours, or you could menace us with cats left unstranded in trees, or you could explain how your job is marginally more dangerous than being a cashier.TwistedFireStopper said:
Like my Mrs keeps telling me, Matt Wrack ain't no Bob Crow, and we can't bring London to a standstill!HurstLlama said:
For what it is worth, Mr. Stopper, I think you and your colleagues have been treated dreadfully, especially when compared with the plod. That said maybe a large part of your problem has been, and arguably still is, the FBU - can't claim public service exception and behave like BL in the early 70s.TwistedFireStopper said:
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I'm not asking for more money, I manage on 28 grand a year (19 takehome). I wouldn't mind a bit more, obviously. If they could have just left my pension alone, though....
I'm not asking for more money, I merely pointed out that failed cabinet ministers get nearly my annual take home pay as a bung for getting binned back onto the back benches.
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Look on Betfairs Top 5 finish marketJackW said:
Thank you and also to @philiphMikeK said:
I can give you three likely and one unlikely winner of this years masters.JackW said:PB Golf Brains Trust Call
Might I ask of the collective wisdom of the sundry Sunday hackers hereabouts if perchance there is a tasty morsel of collective grey matter on the likely recipient of that male garment of the blazered green variety.
In short - a tip for the US Masters ?
1. Matt Kuchar
2. Jason Day
3. Dustin Johnson
And in the unlikely event that he starts playing well, Ernie Els. I would love to see Ernie in a Green Jacket.
Back players each way where the place part of the bet is better odds than the Betfair market
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@SeanT
Being a fireman is about as risky as a checkout girl? God knows where you got that "statistic" from, I expect you made it up. However, lets leave that aside and consider the situation when the shit hits the fan.
Someone is going to put on the mask and walk in to that burning building, where the heat is so hot it melts plastic and where the smoke is so thick you literally can't see a hand in front of your face, to get the little girl out. That person ain't going to be you, it ain't going to be some checkout girl (and it certainly ain't going to be me) but it will be Mr. Stopper or one of his colleagues. So maybe dial back on the low danger occupation nonsense?
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The Times of London @thetimes 1m
Tomorrow's front page: Osborne led revolt to force Miller out (@elliotttimes, @SamCoatesTimes) pic.twitter.com/LchcgAekeb
Revolt? Force?? Doesn't sound very like the PB Cameroons spin on things now does it?0 -
@Barnes As seen daily on PB, the modern Tory Party values bankers, journalists, speculators.
Where were you under 13 years of new labour ?
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On a rather more sombre fire service story, Geoff Wicker was well-known in our village:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/8415936.stm
May he and Brian Wembridge rest in peace.
We heard the explosion, 14 miles away.
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Jesus golf is bloody difficult to anlayse odds for. Grand national was far easier.0
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I'd agree with that, your service is exemplary and largely incorruptible. Alas in the South of Europe it's widely believed that the fire services are involved in systematic arson.TwistedFireStopper said:
I'm gonna sound like a cock now, but we don't die, because, we're probably the best Fire and Rescue Service in the World, professional, best trained, not too shabbily equipped, excellent procedures, and not too badly restricted by health and safety. Just look at the International Search and Rescue side of things. If there's an earthquake, we're the kiddies you want turning up ( providing we can get a plane out in time). We even teach the Yanks a thing or two.SeanT said:
OF COURSE you are being trolled. I just thought I'd have some pejorative fun as a corrective to Bobafett's ludicrous Fellating of All Firemen.TwistedFireStopper said:
I'm being trolled, ain't I?SeanT said:
Oh, I don't know, you could threaten to stop doing crosswords during work hours, or you could menace us with cats left unstranded in trees, or you could explain how your job is marginally more dangerous than being a cashier.TwistedFireStopper said:
Like my Mrs keeps telling me, Matt Wrack ain't no Bob Crow, and we can't bring London to a standstill!HurstLlama said:
For what it is worth, Mr. Stopper, I think you and your colleagues have been treated dreadfully, especially when compared with the plod. That said maybe a large part of your problem has been, and arguably still is, the FBU - can't claim public service exception and behave like BL in the early 70s.TwistedFireStopper said:
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I'm not asking for more money, I manage on 28 grand a year (19 takehome). I wouldn't mind a bit more, obviously. If they could have just left my pension alone, though....
I'm not asking for more money, I merely pointed out that failed cabinet ministers get nearly my take home pay as a bung for getting binned back onto the back benches.
That said, while I always suspected that being a Fireman wasn't that dangerous at all (how often do you hear about firemen dying? Never?) I was surprised to discover your job is less dangerous than most jobs, and about as risky as being a check-out girl.
On the danger side, I guess the thing is, every day I go to work, there is the potential for drama. It aint The Towering Inferno everyday.
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Guardian: UK wasted £560 million on anti-flu drugs.0
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I have a couple of mates who have just retired from the LFB.SeanT said:
Er, the stats are here, moron:HurstLlama said:@SeanT
Being a fireman is about as risky as a checkout girl? God knows where you got that "statistic" from, I expect you made it up. However, lets leave that aside and consider the situation when the shit hits the fan.
Someone is going to put on the mask and walk in to that burning building, where the heat is so hot it melts plastic and where the smoke is so thick you literally can't see a hand in front of your face, to get the little girl out. That person ain't going to be you, it ain't going to be some checkout girl (and it certainly ain't going to be me) but it will be Mr. Stopper or one of his colleagues. So maybe dial back on the low danger occupation nonsense?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/01/08/168897140/the-deadliest-jobs-in-america-in-one-graphic
Professional hint: the word "ain't", endlessly repeated, does not lend your prose the machismo of veracity.
One of them wasn't called out at night for almost a year and was laughing about it, two weeks later he was in the second crew that went down into Kings Cross.
Having been cut out of a car by firemen and tended by paramedics/ambulance crew I cannot praise them enough, we should cherish these people and pay them accordingly.0 -
Discussion on the murder of Keith Blakelock on Newsnight
When Stephen Lawrence was murdered, apparently within 48 hours dozens upon dozens of people had named the 5 people who were eventually tried.
I've just heard that 30 people surrounded Blakelock while he was murdered, almost all from the estate I would have thought
And NO ONE knows who they were or has been motivated to tell the police?
Does anyone think the Police's racist malpractice in the case of Stephen Lawrence was motivated by the Blakelock murder?
Am I stating the obvious?0 -
currystar The Tories have also gained 14% of 2010 LDs according to yougov, so the UKIP gain from the Tories is more than the 3% from Cameron's 2010 share0
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Interesting that Fishermen have the most dangerous job, as epitomised by 'the Perfect Storm'0
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Calling me a moron doesn't make the occupation of a check out person in a supermarket as dangerous a front-line fire and rescue person.SeanT said:
Er, the stats are here, moron:HurstLlama said:@SeanT
Being a fireman is about as risky as a checkout girl? God knows where you got that "statistic" from, I expect you made it up. However, lets leave that aside and consider the situation when the shit hits the fan.
Someone is going to put on the mask and walk in to that burning building, where the heat is so hot it melts plastic and where the smoke is so thick you literally can't see a hand in front of your face, to get the little girl out. That person ain't going to be you, it ain't going to be some checkout girl (and it certainly ain't going to be me) but it will be Mr. Stopper or one of his colleagues. So maybe dial back on the low danger occupation nonsense?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/01/08/168897140/the-deadliest-jobs-in-america-in-one-graphic
Professional hint: the word "ain't", endlessly repeated, does not lend your prose the machismo of veracity.
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Tory vote would probably be a bit more efficient this time. Probably more like 250 MPs this time.AndyJS said:
Same as the 2005 general election for Con and Lab. LDs got about the same as LD+UKIP.MikeL said:YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down one to three points: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 10%, UKIP 14%
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Where shall we start,Iraq war,immigration maybe ?Barnes said:
No "next", you've shown where the values and priorities of today's Tories lie.SeanT said:
Britain has the best press in the world in terms of exporting ideas and talent: that's yer journalists.Barnes said:As seen daily on PB, the modern Tory Party values bankers, journalists, speculators.
And it pours scorn on ordinary firemen, teachers, nurses.
Private good, public bad. It's their ideology. So sad.
Britain has some of the worst performing kids in the western world: that's our teachers.
Next.
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Also reasonably certain he tipped up Athletico for the CL. #ShouldhavegotonSeanT said:
It's just arrant sentimental drivel. This is what they are paid to do. How much would you pay them until it feels good? £500,000 a month??nigel4england said:
I have a couple of mates who have just retired from the LFB.SeanT said:
Er, the stats are here, moron:HurstLlama said:@SeanT
Being a fireman is about as risky as a checkout girl? God knows where you got that "statistic" from, I expect you made it up. However, lets leave that aside and consider the situation when the shit hits the fan.
Someone is going to put on the mask and walk in to that burning building, where the heat is so hot it melts plastic and where the smoke is so thick you literally can't see a hand in front of your face, to get the little girl out. That person ain't going to be you, it ain't going to be some checkout girl (and it certainly ain't going to be me) but it will be Mr. Stopper or one of his colleagues. So maybe dial back on the low danger occupation nonsense?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/01/08/168897140/the-deadliest-jobs-in-america-in-one-graphic
Professional hint: the word "ain't", endlessly repeated, does not lend your prose the machismo of veracity.
One of them wasn't called out at night for almost a year and was laughing about it, two weeks later he was in the second crew that went down into Kings Cross.
Having been cut out of a car by firemen and tended by paramedics/ambulance crew I cannot praise them enough, we should cherish these people and pay them accordingly.
F*ck them. Pay them LESS. I HATE FIREMEN. AND NURSES.
I'm sorry but I can't help it if the IQ level on pb has dropped beneath the ambient temperature of my fridge.
BRING BACK TIM. At least he had a BRAIN.
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Thanks - lolSeanT said:
It's just arrant sentimental drivel. This is what they are paid to do. How much would you pay them until it feels good? £500,000 a month??nigel4england said:
I have a couple of mates who have just retired from the LFB.SeanT said:
Er, the stats are here, moron:HurstLlama said:@SeanT
Being a fireman is about as risky as a checkout girl? God knows where you got that "statistic" from, I expect you made it up. However, lets leave that aside and consider the situation when the shit hits the fan.
Someone is going to put on the mask and walk in to that burning building, where the heat is so hot it melts plastic and where the smoke is so thick you literally can't see a hand in front of your face, to get the little girl out. That person ain't going to be you, it ain't going to be some checkout girl (and it certainly ain't going to be me) but it will be Mr. Stopper or one of his colleagues. So maybe dial back on the low danger occupation nonsense?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/01/08/168897140/the-deadliest-jobs-in-america-in-one-graphic
Professional hint: the word "ain't", endlessly repeated, does not lend your prose the machismo of veracity.
One of them wasn't called out at night for almost a year and was laughing about it, two weeks later he was in the second crew that went down into Kings Cross.
Having been cut out of a car by firemen and tended by paramedics/ambulance crew I cannot praise them enough, we should cherish these people and pay them accordingly.
F*ck them. Pay them LESS. I HATE FIREMEN. AND NURSES.
I'm sorry but I can't help it if the IQ level on pb has dropped beneath the ambient temperature of my fridge.
BRING BACK TIM. At least he had a BRAIN.
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I think Mr. T. may be hitting the bottom of one of his cycles (and maybe the bottom of one of his bottles), probably best to leave him alone for the time being.0
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Had enough of this place, Compouter and his relentless drivel bores me to tears and your arrogance is appalling.SeanT said:
It's just arrant sentimental drivel. This is what they are paid to do. How much would you pay them until it feels good? £500,000 a month??nigel4england said:
I have a couple of mates who have just retired from the LFB.SeanT said:
Er, the stats are here, moron:HurstLlama said:@SeanT
Being a fireman is about as risky as a checkout girl? God knows where you got that "statistic" from, I expect you made it up. However, lets leave that aside and consider the situation when the shit hits the fan.
Someone is going to put on the mask and walk in to that burning building, where the heat is so hot it melts plastic and where the smoke is so thick you literally can't see a hand in front of your face, to get the little girl out. That person ain't going to be you, it ain't going to be some checkout girl (and it certainly ain't going to be me) but it will be Mr. Stopper or one of his colleagues. So maybe dial back on the low danger occupation nonsense?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/01/08/168897140/the-deadliest-jobs-in-america-in-one-graphic
Professional hint: the word "ain't", endlessly repeated, does not lend your prose the machismo of veracity.
One of them wasn't called out at night for almost a year and was laughing about it, two weeks later he was in the second crew that went down into Kings Cross.
Having been cut out of a car by firemen and tended by paramedics/ambulance crew I cannot praise them enough, we should cherish these people and pay them accordingly.
F*ck them. Pay them LESS. I HATE FIREMEN. AND NURSES.
I'm sorry but I can't help it if the IQ level on pb has dropped beneath the ambient temperature of my fridge.
BRING BACK TIM. At least he had a BRAIN.0 -
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The difference is that some jobs have accidental hazards, but the Fire Service, like the Police and Armed Forces have deliberate hazards, though with good training these can be minimised.
These are the people who when they hear an explosion, run towards it.
Pay does not always correspond to value (£300 000 per week for the past it Rooney is ridiculous), but is not the only motivation. There is also the old fashioned concept of public service and duty.SeanT said:
It's just arrant sentimental drivel. This is what they are paid to do. How much would you pay them until it feels good? £500,000 a month??nigel4england said:
I have a couple of mates who have just retired from the LFB.SeanT said:
Er, the stats are here, moron:HurstLlama said:@SeanT
Being a fireman is about as risky as a checkout girl? God knows where you got that "statistic" from, I expect you made it up. However, lets leave that aside and consider the situation when the shit hits the fan.
Someone is going to put on the mask and walk in to that burning building, where the heat is so hot it melts plastic and where the smoke is so thick you literally can't see a hand in front of your face, to get the little girl out. That person ain't going to be you, it ain't going to be some checkout girl (and it certainly ain't going to be me) but it will be Mr. Stopper or one of his colleagues. So maybe dial back on the low danger occupation nonsense?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/01/08/168897140/the-deadliest-jobs-in-america-in-one-graphic
Professional hint: the word "ain't", endlessly repeated, does not lend your prose the machismo of veracity.
One of them wasn't called out at night for almost a year and was laughing about it, two weeks later he was in the second crew that went down into Kings Cross.
Having been cut out of a car by firemen and tended by paramedics/ambulance crew I cannot praise them enough, we should cherish these people and pay them accordingly.
F*ck them. Pay them LESS. I HATE FIREMEN. AND NURSES.
I'm sorry but I can't help it if the IQ level on pb has dropped beneath the ambient temperature of my fridge.
BRING BACK TIM. At least he had a BRAIN.0 -
The boundaries are slightly better, although not much.FrankBooth said:
Tory vote would probably be a bit more efficient this time. Probably more like 250 MPs this time.AndyJS said:
Same as the 2005 general election for Con and Lab. LDs got about the same as LD+UKIP.MikeL said:YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down one to three points: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 10%, UKIP 14%
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ST isn't a Tory, he's a kipper - at least he's sounding like one tonight.Barnes said:
No "next", you've shown where the values and priorities of today's Tories lie.SeanT said:
Britain has the best press in the world in terms of exporting ideas and talent: that's yer journalists.Barnes said:As seen daily on PB, the modern Tory Party values bankers, journalists, speculators.
And it pours scorn on ordinary firemen, teachers, nurses.
Private good, public bad. It's their ideology. So sad.
Britain has some of the worst performing kids in the western world: that's our teachers.
Next.
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You may be right but at least I am a Londoner!SeanT said:
Sure. Entitled to your opinion blah de blah. But what really irks, I suspect, is that I'm RIGHT.nigel4england said:
Had enough of this place, Compouter and his relentless drivel bores me to tears and your arrogance is appalling.SeanT said:
It's just arrant sentimental drivel. This is what they are paid to do. How much would you pay them until it feels good? £500,000 a month??nigel4england said:
I have a couple of mates who have just retired from the LFB.SeanT said:
Er, the stats are here, moron:HurstLlama said:@SeanT
Being a fireman is about as risky as a checkout girl? God knows where you got that "statistic" from, I expect you made it up. However, lets leave that aside and consider the situation when the shit hits the fan.
Someone is going to put on the mask and walk in to that burning building, where the heat is so hot it melts plastic and where the smoke is so thick you literally can't see a hand in front of your face, to get the little girl out. That person ain't going to be you, it ain't going to be some checkout girl (and it certainly ain't going to be me) but it will be Mr. Stopper or one of his colleagues. So maybe dial back on the low danger occupation nonsense?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/01/08/168897140/the-deadliest-jobs-in-america-in-one-graphic
Professional hint: the word "ain't", endlessly repeated, does not lend your prose the machismo of veracity.
One of them wasn't called out at night for almost a year and was laughing about it, two weeks later he was in the second crew that went down into Kings Cross.
Having been cut out of a car by firemen and tended by paramedics/ambulance crew I cannot praise them enough, we should cherish these people and pay them accordingly.
F*ck them. Pay them LESS. I HATE FIREMEN. AND NURSES.
I'm sorry but I can't help it if the IQ level on pb has dropped beneath the ambient temperature of my fridge.
BRING BACK TIM. At least he had a BRAIN.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2195847.stm
Sorry.0 -
I'm a kipper and I totally disagree with himperdix said:
ST isn't a Tory, he's a kipper - at least he's sounding like one tonight.Barnes said:
No "next", you've shown where the values and priorities of today's Tories lie.SeanT said:
Britain has the best press in the world in terms of exporting ideas and talent: that's yer journalists.Barnes said:As seen daily on PB, the modern Tory Party values bankers, journalists, speculators.
And it pours scorn on ordinary firemen, teachers, nurses.
Private good, public bad. It's their ideology. So sad.
Britain has some of the worst performing kids in the western world: that's our teachers.
Next.0 -
Yes, think of the dangers you'll be running on this mission:SeanT said:Incidentally, being a foreign correspondent is almost certainly more dangerous than being a fireman.
http://tinyurl.com/ocq68zu
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Still can't believe the Tories scuppered the new boundaries over House of Lords reform. That's the only reason Ed has any chance of a majority next year.0
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Quotes from the Telegraph,
"The Prime Minister said there is “more to do” to reassure the public that Parliament is “good and honest” after Mrs Miller left the Cabinet.
“There is still very deep public concern about the expenses scandal,” he said. “The biggest lesson I learnt [is] that that anger is still very raw and it needs to be acted on.”
Cameron admits he hasn't got a clue about how people feel when it comes to politicians and the trough or, I suspect, anything else.0 -
Today is the 22nd anniversary of the Tories' last election victory:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARifiLUKwxA&0 -
They didn't. Mr Clegg just used that as an excuse.AndyJS said:Still can't believe the Tories scuppered the new boundaries over House of Lords reform. That's the only reason Ed has any chance of a majority next year.
"Matthew D'Ancona says in his book In It Together (p. 289), based on his own direct conversations, that by the summer of 2012 Nick Clegg had come to believe that the boundary changes constituted "an existential threat" to the Liberal Democrats. In his exact words, quoted by D'Ancona, "I can't, under any circumstances, allow these boundary changes to take place before the next election. This is an existential threat.""
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jessenorman/100258267/the-masters-of-truthiness-are-spreading-ignorance-about-lords-reform/
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SeanT Indeed, although the incident of shipwrecks has declined. Firemen are generally well trained and given the best equipment which probably helps lower their figures in what would seem a dangerous role0
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That means the Tories offered the LDs an AV referendum for no reason. Another Cameron masterstroke.anotherDave said:
They didn't. Mr Clegg just used that as an excuse.AndyJS said:Still can't believe the Tories scuppered the new boundaries over House of Lords reform. That's the only reason Ed has any chance of a majority next year.
"Matthew D'Ancona says in his book In It Together (p. 289), based on his own direct conversations, that by the summer of 2012 Nick Clegg had come to believe that the boundary changes constituted "an existential threat" to the Liberal Democrats. In his exact words, quoted by D'Ancona, "I can't, under any circumstances, allow these boundary changes to take place before the next election. This is an existential threat.""
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jessenorman/100258267/the-masters-of-truthiness-are-spreading-ignorance-about-lords-reform/0 -
Can still remember the absolute shock, horror and despair of a leftie neighbour of mine who was part of the local Labour movement at that time.AndyJS said:Today is the 22nd anniversary of the Tories' last election victory:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARifiLUKwxA&
To say she wasn't happy that night was an understatement.
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Andy JS - John Major, the boy from Brixton, the only Tory leader alive to have won a majority, who would have thought it?0
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The increase in the Labour vote in 1992 was only marginally higher than 1987:GIN1138 said:
Can still remember the absolute shock, horror and despair of a leftie neighbour of mine who was part of the local Labour movement at that time.AndyJS said:Today is the 22nd anniversary of the Tories' last election victory:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARifiLUKwxA&
To say she wasn't happy that night was an understatement.
Change in Labour share:
1992: +3.67%
1987: +3.26%0 -
As Nabavi, Fitalass et al made clear many times, Maria Miller should not have gone.
According to them, she "did nothing wrong". So why go ?
Always better if a wounded prey is in government rather than out of it.0 -
ARF!nigel4england said:
Had enough of this place, Compouter and his relentless drivel bores me to tears and your arrogance is appalling.SeanT said:
It's just arrant sentimental drivel. This is what they are paid to do. How much would you pay them until it feels good? £500,000 a month??nigel4england said:
I have a couple of mates who have just retired from the LFB.SeanT said:
Er, the stats are here, moron:HurstLlama said:@SeanT
Being a fireman is about as risky as a checkout girl? God knows where you got that "statistic" from, I expect you made it up. However, lets leave that aside and consider the situation when the shit hits the fan.
Someone is going to put on the mask and walk in to that burning building, where the heat is so hot it melts plastic and where the smoke is so thick you literally can't see a hand in front of your face, to get the little girl out. That person ain't going to be you, it ain't going to be some checkout girl (and it certainly ain't going to be me) but it will be Mr. Stopper or one of his colleagues. So maybe dial back on the low danger occupation nonsense?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/01/08/168897140/the-deadliest-jobs-in-america-in-one-graphic
Professional hint: the word "ain't", endlessly repeated, does not lend your prose the machismo of veracity.
One of them wasn't called out at night for almost a year and was laughing about it, two weeks later he was in the second crew that went down into Kings Cross.
Having been cut out of a car by firemen and tended by paramedics/ambulance crew I cannot praise them enough, we should cherish these people and pay them accordingly.
F*ck them. Pay them LESS. I HATE FIREMEN. AND NURSES.
I'm sorry but I can't help it if the IQ level on pb has dropped beneath the ambient temperature of my fridge.
BRING BACK TIM. At least he had a BRAIN.0 -
Not quite.AndyJS said:
That means the Tories offered the LDs an AV referendum for no reason. Another Cameron masterstroke.anotherDave said:
They didn't. Mr Clegg just used that as an excuse.AndyJS said:Still can't believe the Tories scuppered the new boundaries over House of Lords reform. That's the only reason Ed has any chance of a majority next year.
"Matthew D'Ancona says in his book In It Together (p. 289), based on his own direct conversations, that by the summer of 2012 Nick Clegg had come to believe that the boundary changes constituted "an existential threat" to the Liberal Democrats. In his exact words, quoted by D'Ancona, "I can't, under any circumstances, allow these boundary changes to take place before the next election. This is an existential threat.""
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jessenorman/100258267/the-masters-of-truthiness-are-spreading-ignorance-about-lords-reform/
If the AV referendum had passed then we would have got AV + the Boundary changes or neither.
Remember what the law said. The Statutory Instruments implementing AV and the Boundary changes had to be laid before the Queen simultaneously in the same meeting - ie implementation of AV would have been in suspense until the Boundary reviews finished.
So I wonder what Clegg would have done if the AV referendum had passed? He would have had a choice (any time after the referendum right up until Autumn 2013) - both or neither?0 -
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I thought boundary changes were linked to Lords reform? *titter*0
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No stamina, some of these kippers. Sad, isn't it?compouter2 said:
ARF!nigel4england said:
Had enough of this place, Compouter and his relentless drivel bores me to tears and your arrogance is appalling.
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Survation for the Daily Record. No sight yet!SeanT said:Isn't there meant to be an indyref poll tonight?
Wo ist es?
twitter.com/Survation/status/453938441534054400
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What do you make of the Hope not Hate leaflet being distributed by Labour calling UKIP racist? You were asked on Monday but didn't answerNickPalmer said:
No stamina, some of these kippers. Sad, isn't it?compouter2 said:
ARF!nigel4england said:
Had enough of this place, Compouter and his relentless drivel bores me to tears and your arrogance is appalling.
Fair game?0 -
I don't know anything about horse racing, but winning a major golf tournament like The Masters is less a matter of form than experience, particularly at a course like the Augusta. The last first time winner was in 1979, Fuzzy Zoeller if I remember correctly.
There are 24 first timers in the field this week.0 -
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For those wanting a flutter on The Masters, here are the Las Vegas Hilton odds -
LVH ODDS TO WIN 2014 MASTERS (last week's prices in parentheses)
RORY McILROY 10-1 (8-1)
ADAM SCOTT 10-1
PHIL MICKELSON 12-1
JASON DAY 12-1 (10-1)
MATT KUCHAR 12-1 (20-1)
DUSTIN JOHNSON 20-1 (15-1)
BUBBA WATSON 20-1
JUSTIN ROSE 25-1
BRANDT SNEDEKER 25-1 (30-1)
HENRIK STENSON 25-1 (20-1)
SERGIO GARCIA 25-1 (30-1)
ZACH JOHNSON 25-1
JASON DUFNER 30-1
KEEGAN BRADLEY 30-1
JORDAN SPIETH 30-1 (25-1)
LEE WESTWOOD 40-1 (50-1)
CHARL SCHWARTZEL 40-1
HUNTER MAHAN 40-1 (50-1)
ANGEL CABRERA 40-1 (50-1)
HARRIS ENGLISH 40-1
LUKE DONALD 50-1
GRAEME McDOWELL 50-1
IAN POULTER 50-1
RICKIE FOWLER 50-1 (60-1)
GRAHAM DeLAET 50-1
JIMMY WALKER 50-1 (60-1)
LOUIS OOSTHUIZEN 60-1 (50-1)
RYAN MOORE 60-1
GARY WOODLAND 60-1
STEVE STRICKER 80-1
WEBB SIMPSON 80-1 (60-1)
BILL HAAS 80-1 (60-1)
JIM FURYK 80-1
HIDEKI MATSUYAMA 80-1
K.J. CHOI 100-1
ERNIE ELS 100-1
FRED COUPLES 100-1
NICK WATNEY 125-1
THORBJORN OLESEN 125-1 (100-1)
BILLY HORSCHEL 125-1 (100-1)
PETER HANSON 125-1
FRANCESCO MOLINARI 125-1 (150-1)
MARC LEISHMAN 125-1 (100-1)
JAMIE DONALDSON 125-1
MARTIN KAYMER 150-1
RUSSELL HENLEY 150-1
TIM CLARK 150-1
TREVOR IMMELMAN 150-1
MATTEO MANASSERO 200-1
BRANDEN GRACE 200-1
MIGUEL ANGEL JIMENEZ 200-1
STEWART CINK 200-1
THOMAS BJORN 200-1
GONZALO FERNANDEZ-CASTANO 200-1
VIJAY SINGH 200-1
LUCAS GLOVER 200-1
JONAS BLIXT 250-1
KEVIN STREELMAN 250-1
SANG-MOON BAE 250-1
BOO WEEKLEY 300-1
JOHN HUH 300-1 (250-1)
Y.E. YANG 300-1
BERNHARD LANGER 300-1
KEN DUKE 500-1
DARREN CLARKE 500-1
MIKE WEIR 1000-1
JORDAN NIEBRUGGE 1000-1
DEREK ERNST 1000-1
JOSE MARIA OLAZABAL 1000-1
TOM WATSON 1000-1
GARRICK PORTEOUS 2000-1 (1000-1)
FIELD (all others) 15-1
TIGER WOODS withdrew0 -
If it is about Diplomacy, it looks as if my account has been deleted from both games. It seems that I am accused of cheating.
I have not cheated. I think that the problem is my son has registered an account in a different game, so we were both suspended.
I do not know how to reverse it, I have written to the moderators.foxinsoxuk said:0 -
As we write, much ink is being spilled over the public opinion implications of Maria Miller’s expenses, yet there is no sign that this is having any impact on the polls, nor should we expect it to when most voters have only a sketchy understanding of who Ms Miller is or what she is supposed to have done. This may change as the story gradually diffuses through the electorate, or if it takes a new turn. More likely, however, is that it will simply come and go, like many earlier stories before it, without leaving any lasting mark, aside perhaps from intensifying a little the “pox on all your houses” sentiment which has helped to fuel the rise in UKIP support.
http://sotonpolitics.org/2014/04/09/polling-observatory-35-politics-fast-and-slow/0 -
UKIP candidate for Basingstoke, Alan Stone, currently has just 19 Twitter followers, although that number will probably increase rapidly from now on:
https://twitter.com/alan_h_stone0 -
Take that to mean he approves of the leafletisam said:
What do you make of the Hope not Hate leaflet being distributed by Labour calling UKIP racist? You were asked on Monday but didn't answerNickPalmer said:
No stamina, some of these kippers. Sad, isn't it?compouter2 said:
ARF!nigel4england said:
Had enough of this place, Compouter and his relentless drivel bores me to tears and your arrogance is appalling.
Fair game?0 -
Hopefully you'll get back - I am enjoying our wars in the Med.foxinsoxuk said:If it is about Diplomacy, it looks as if my account has been deleted from both games. It seems that I am accused of cheating.
I have not cheated. I think that the problem is my son has registered an account in a different game, so we were both suspended.
I do not know how to reverse it, I have written to the moderators.foxinsoxuk said:0 -
Or that he's gone to bed. Whichever.isam said:
Take that to mean he approves of the leafletisam said:
What do you make of the Hope not Hate leaflet being distributed by Labour calling UKIP racist? You were asked on Monday but didn't answerNickPalmer said:
No stamina, some of these kippers. Sad, isn't it?compouter2 said:
ARF!nigel4england said:
Had enough of this place, Compouter and his relentless drivel bores me to tears and your arrogance is appalling.
Fair game?0 -
Top 5 militaries in the world:
1. USA
2. Russia
3. China
4. India
5. United Kingdom
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Didn't see the query, sorry - I was having access difficulties over most of Friday-Monday.isam said:
What do you make of the Hope not Hate leaflet being distributed by Labour calling UKIP racist? You were asked on Monday but didn't answer
Fair game?
I've not seen the UKIP leaflets in the area so I can't comment on the campaign there to which the leaflet was presumably responding. However, it's not my experience of UKIP in Broxtowe or of most UKIP posters here - I'd be happy to meet Richard Tyndall or Sean Fear or you for a drink!
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