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  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited April 2014

    Mr. Root, is this a reference to my forthcoming ascension to the Archbishopric of Canterbury?

    Sadly Mr MD, that's not on the cards, you are not nearly pious enough to fall into that category, you don't pronounce judgement swiftly nor lecture inadvisablly, in fact you are a thoughtful fellow.

    I have been as guilty in the past as any in passing judgement, but since my wife died, I have been a lot more contemplative.

    Others would do well to take a look at themselves, if they can without "sin" cast the first stone so to speak, then so be it.. Personally I don't buy this crap being put about that there are large swathes of the populus who have never done anything wrong. Its a load of sh*t.

    All debts of "sin" have to be paid eventually.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    edited April 2014
    MikeK said:

    JackW said:

    PB Golf Brains Trust Call

    Might I ask of the collective wisdom of the sundry Sunday hackers hereabouts if perchance there is a tasty morsel of collective grey matter on the likely recipient of that male garment of the blazered green variety.

    In short - a tip for the US Masters ?

    I can give you three likely and one unlikely winner of this years masters.
    1. Matt Kuchar
    2. Jason Day
    3. Dustin Johnson

    And in the unlikely event that he starts playing well, Ernie Els. I would love to see Ernie in a Green Jacket.
    On BBC website pundits are mostly going for Sergio Garcia, Rory McIlroy and Jason Day
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,951
    edited April 2014
    Mr. Barnes, I'd take Cameron as PM over Blair or Brown in a heartbeat. So far he's managed to avoid either misleading Parliament to con it into an ill-conceived war or giving us the worst recession in British history.

    That's not to say he's a great PM. He isn't. He's mediocre. But when the rivals to mediocrity are craven EU-philia and a man whose approach to commodities was outdated in the 4th century it's not a hard choice.

    Edited extra bit F1: more bad news for Ferrari as they only manage 12 laps on the second and final day of the Bahrain test:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/26961345

    The Prancing Horse is in pretty bad shape.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Tom Furnival-Adams ‏@Tom_FA 14h

    Nadine Dorries talking Maria Miller up as some sort of martyr is priceless. If she'd resigned last week, there'd have been no 'witch hunt'.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,709
    I see the Speccie has picked up on the timing of Fabricant's sacking - i.e. how has he remained in post for even this long?

    'It’s difficult to know what astonished people more about Michael Fabricant’s sacking: that he has lost his job or that he was still in a role that required some semblance of collective responsibility. Shortly after assuming the role of Vice Chair of the Conservative Party, he called for a pact with Ukip.'

    On Fabo's HS2 wrecking measure:

    'Yes, that’s an amendment declining to give the high-speed rail bill a second reading. Which is awkward when it’s a flagship piece of Conservative legislation. It is also a bit awkward because it has David Davis as one of the signatories, along with Sir Edward Leigh and Jeremy Lefroy. Davis has a habit of pitching up whenever there’s trouble in the same way as iron filings have a habit of rushing towards a magnet.'

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/isabel-hardman/2014/04/michael-fabricant-sacked-what-about-other-hs2-opponents/
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098


    < snip >
    I'm not asking for more money, I manage on 28 grand a year (19 takehome). I wouldn't mind a bit more, obviously. If they could have just left my pension alone, though....

    For what it is worth, Mr. Stopper, I think you and your colleagues have been treated dreadfully, especially when compared with the plod. That said maybe a large part of your problem has been, and arguably still is, the FBU - can't claim public service exception and behave like BL in the early 70s.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    MikeK said:

    JackW said:

    PB Golf Brains Trust Call

    Might I ask of the collective wisdom of the sundry Sunday hackers hereabouts if perchance there is a tasty morsel of collective grey matter on the likely recipient of that male garment of the blazered green variety.

    In short - a tip for the US Masters ?

    I can give you three likely and one unlikely winner of this years masters.
    1. Matt Kuchar
    2. Jason Day
    3. Dustin Johnson

    And in the unlikely event that he starts playing well, Ernie Els. I would love to see Ernie in a Green Jacket.
    Thank you and also to @philiph

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics · 1 min
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down one to three points: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 10%, UKIP 14%

  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down one to three points: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 10%, UKIP 14%

  • < snip >
    I'm not asking for more money, I manage on 28 grand a year (19 takehome). I wouldn't mind a bit more, obviously. If they could have just left my pension alone, though....

    For what it is worth, Mr. Stopper, I think you and your colleagues have been treated dreadfully, especially when compared with the plod. That said maybe a large part of your problem has been, and arguably still is, the FBU - can't claim public service exception and behave like BL in the early 70s.
    Like my Mrs keeps telling me, Matt Wrack ain't no Bob Crow, and we can't bring London to a standstill!

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,951
    edited April 2014
    Mr. T, I plan my 'serious' stuff in quite a lot of detail, especially my WIP which is the first part of a trilogy and has to work both in itself and setting the scene for storylines that will be wrapped up in books 2 and 3.

    My first comedy I had a vague plan (I knew the ending and a few approximate adventures in between) but was basically making it up as I went along, which worked remarkably well. On the other hand, comedy's harder to write (for me) and many days I got nothing at all done.

    Edited extra bit: and thanks very much for your answer, 'tis interesting.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    BLUE ON BLUE INCOMING (Apologies for the delays, there are that many flying about, me and Basil are struggling to keep up and have had to park the goalposts in a safe place)

    http://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2014/04/mps-are-increasingly-wary-of-sticking-their-necks-out-for-the-government-in-a-crisis.html

    Latest comment from Tory on Conhome : "David Cameron has the political sophistication of a school boy. He is all over the place and an embarrassment to behold with his favourites versus the ex-communicated ones. This is supposed to be a government running the country."
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics · 1 min
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down one to three points: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 10%, UKIP 14%


    Even the Maria Miller affair couldn't reverse Labour's slide. They're going to lose the GE, quite heavily.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2014
    MikeL said:

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down one to three points: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 10%, UKIP 14%

    Same as the 2005 general election for Con and Lab. LDs got about the same as LD+UKIP.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    Carnyx said:

    Ever consider a transfer to this lot?:http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/12/07/9272989-firefighters-let-home-burn-over-75-fee-again

    Now there is an organisation that knows its taxpayers!

    SeanT said:

    BobaFett said:

    Richard, Avery and Bobajob have put up passionate, well thought out arguments about employment law and cabinet ministers, and being hounded out of a job. Obviously, I can't argue about the legal niceties, as I do not have a Scooby about them.
    I'm just peed off that cabinet ministers who get binned can claim 18 grand (Avery tells me that's "only" two months pay for a cabinet minister).
    The likes of Huhne, Laws and gawd knows how many New Labour failed ministers were all eligible to claim it.
    Millionaire failed ministers, collecting not far off my take home pay, even the ones who resign in disgrace, but still keeping their MP job, and all that entails.
    That just doesn't sit well.

    If 18 grand is what you earn full time as a fireman then I would say that is scandalously underpaid for someone who saves lives. I must admit I didn't realise that.
    Until you realise that all firemen do, 90% of their time, is sit around on their arses posting on political betting websites, in between the odd foray to go rescue a kitten up a sycamore.

    *ducks*
    Can't climb trees, health and safety says no. You need a tree surgeon for that job, he's got the climbing kit and training.

    I love stories like that, its just plain barmy. Seriously, the standards of firefighter training, competence and procedures in the US is just so random, it's scary. It veers from gungho to keystone cops and all points in between, from FDNY to Hicksville. Whenever I give a watch technical training lecture, I always manage to find a YouTube vid from America on how NOT to do it.


    How about two or three links to your favourites?

    I'm on a tablet that doesn't play well with YouTube, but try this one. It's private fire departments, same as the link that DoctorFox posted. We like to use this one as an argument against privatisation!

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;rct=j&amp;ei=MrFFU5OOFMGV7AbnhoH4Dw&amp;url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhD_5T4F7aw&amp;cd=1&amp;ved=0CCsQtwIwAA&amp;usg=AFQjCNEocq5T5DqbhCmC9CdU0xt6Im0fBQ&amp;sig2=O3baZBQ9v7vTk8xHUISj6g
    Many thanks. Oh my fur and whiskers, that is utterly appalling. To say it's like something out of 18th century London is an understatement!

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    GIN1138 said:

    These squalls come and go for all governments. I doubt the effects will be particularly long lasting, though the timing is unfortunate with the euro elections so close.

    I'd agree. Nothing is completely without impact, but the catalyst for all this was more expenses dodginess which no party can claim the higher ground on, and Cameron's handling of it was exactly that of a man who didn't want to fire someone but it wouldn't go away so he had no choice - not exactly hugely confident, but the alternative, sacking her immediately when she had paid the punishment she had been told to (with as little grace as possible) would doubtless have been attacked as well (we know this because with Mitchell he was attacked for taking too long to sack him, and then later for sacking him at all - the point is to find a rod to beat him with, and if it wasn't not sacking soon enough, it would be look at how disloyal he is to his own people, sacking them at the drop of a hat). In short, it's small stuff which plays better if you're already committed to the attack lines it generates for the opposition, so unlikely to have any longer term impact, even if it lasted surprisingly well thus far.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Michael Fabricant ‏@Mike_Fabricant · 43 secs
    .@deejayhome @Jim_Watford I think, in fairness, DC gave me a 4th, 5th, and 6th chance!!

  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics · 1 min
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down one to three points: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 10%, UKIP 14%


    Even the Maria Miller affair couldn't reverse Labour's slide. They're going to lose the GE, quite heavily.

    ARF!
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,709

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics · 1 min
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down one to three points: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 10%, UKIP 14%

    Hmm. I actually thought Labour's lead would creep up again, after the grateful masses had given their polling genuflection to Ozzy's masterly budget. But the low single-figure lead looks as if it's becoming embedded. If so, and if Dave can play a blinder with his leader's speech, then my prediction of crossover during conference season looks nailed on.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    Michael Fabricant ‏@Mike_Fabricant · 43 secs
    .@deejayhome @Jim_Watford I think, in fairness, DC gave me a 4th, 5th, and 6th chance!!


    That's the way to do it. Bravo Fabricant.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Shapps is apparently the one that demanded Fabricant go.

    Honestly is there no limits to that mans incompetence
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    isam said:

    "Completely misinformed and entirely wrong" for saying I think fireman should get a lot more than £27k a year?

    I think you're trying too hard

    A clickbaiter straining like an obese constipated man to try and wring some limp-dicked outrage from those gullible enough to fall for the obvious fakery?? How dare you sir!

    Gertcha! :)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Barnes said:

    Don't know about anyone else, but coming on a political betting website boasting about your large easy earnings whilst deliberately trolling a fireman for being lazy seems like the behaviour or a very strange person to me.

    Commenting about politics online is already strange behaviour, so I'd imagine most people on here and other corners of the political blogosphere have other eccentricities of opinion or manner. Mine is super self satisfaction.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Nick Robinson's report going on about Maria Miller costing Con votes???

    Seriously - walk down the High street tomorrow and would even 10% of people have heard of her?
  • NextNext Posts: 826
    Barnes said:

    Don't know about anyone else, but coming on a political betting website boasting about your large easy earnings whilst deliberately trolling a fireman for being lazy seems like the behaviour or a very strange person to me.

    No, it seems like SeanT.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    Michael Fabricant ‏@Mike_Fabricant · 43 secs
    .@deejayhome @Jim_Watford I think, in fairness, DC gave me a 4th, 5th, and 6th chance!!

    Then the fop's PR timing was exquisite as usual. Micky Fab has to get the boot for saying "at last" which absolutely nobody in the tory party was thinking.

    Apart from this lot.

    Mark Wallace ‏@wallaceme 14h

    Last night we revealed @ConHome that 82% of Tory Party members wanted Miller to go http://bit.ly/1sxtFPh

    A PR master strategy indeed.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    IOS said:

    Shapps is apparently the one that demanded Fabricant go.

    Honestly is there no limits to that mans incompetence


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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    MikeL said:

    Nick Robinson's report going on about Maria Miller costing Con votes???

    Seriously - walk down the High street tomorrow and would even 10% of people have heard of her?

    It will probably have little impact, if at all. However, if Labour can gain traction with spinning about Cameron's apparent weakness on the matter, conflating that with Miller's own troughing, and there's a slim chance it could happen. Such spinning helped tip the balance in my own shift of opinion toward the Coalition being incompetent about a year and a half ago, though trying in essence to say Cameron is crooked or woeful because he didn't sack Miller soon enough will be a harder sell, and harder to generalise into a point that could be picked up by the masses.
  • TwistedFireStopperTwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    edited April 2014
    SeanT said:


    < snip >
    I'm not asking for more money, I manage on 28 grand a year (19 takehome). I wouldn't mind a bit more, obviously. If they could have just left my pension alone, though....

    For what it is worth, Mr. Stopper, I think you and your colleagues have been treated dreadfully, especially when compared with the plod. That said maybe a large part of your problem has been, and arguably still is, the FBU - can't claim public service exception and behave like BL in the early 70s.
    Like my Mrs keeps telling me, Matt Wrack ain't no Bob Crow, and we can't bring London to a standstill!

    Oh, I don't know, you could threaten to stop doing crosswords during work hours, or you could menace us with cats left unstranded in trees, or you could explain how your job is marginally more dangerous than being a cashier.
    I'm being trolled, ain't I?
    I'm not asking for more money, I merely pointed out that failed cabinet ministers get nearly my annual take home pay as a bung for getting binned back onto the back benches.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    FPT:

    Is RobD around? I answered your question about Labour candidates.

    143 out of 353 selected so far are women = 40.5%.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics · 1 min
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down one to three points: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 10%, UKIP 14%

    Hmm. I actually thought Labour's lead would creep up again, after the grateful masses had given their polling genuflection to Ozzy's masterly budget. But the low single-figure lead looks as if it's becoming embedded. If so, and if Dave can play a blinder with his leader's speech, then my prediction of crossover during conference season looks nailed on.
    UKIP on 14% is the highest they've been on YouGov for some time. Is YouGov laying the ground, and getting ready for a UKIP surge and triumph on May 22nd?
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    So if the latest you gov is accurate, the Tories are 3% down on the GE and ukip are 10% up yet apparently ukip have gained most votes from the Tories.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Michael Fabricant ‏@Mike_Fabricant · 2 mins
    Actually, the 'sacking' was done in a civilised way. The Mail has it sort of right.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2600968/Well-time-Tory-vice-chairman-Michael-Fabricant-sacked-tweeting-relief-resignation-Maria-Miller-expenses-row.html

  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098


    < snip >
    I'm not asking for more money, I manage on 28 grand a year (19 takehome). I wouldn't mind a bit more, obviously. If they could have just left my pension alone, though....

    For what it is worth, Mr. Stopper, I think you and your colleagues have been treated dreadfully, especially when compared with the plod. That said maybe a large part of your problem has been, and arguably still is, the FBU - can't claim public service exception and behave like BL in the early 70s.
    Like my Mrs keeps telling me, Matt Wrack ain't no Bob Crow, and we can't bring London to a standstill!

    Mr. Stopper, To maintain proper fire brigades the personnel will have to move into the 21st century, the late 19th early 20th century attitude to industrial relations of the FBU must be binned. Otherwise G4S/Serco WILL take over. It is awful, it is unfair but it is the reality. The FBU has been the most destructive force in the Fire Service. The pity is they could have done so much more for their members.
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171

    SeanT said:


    < snip >
    I'm not asking for more money, I manage on 28 grand a year (19 takehome). I wouldn't mind a bit more, obviously. If they could have just left my pension alone, though....

    For what it is worth, Mr. Stopper, I think you and your colleagues have been treated dreadfully, especially when compared with the plod. That said maybe a large part of your problem has been, and arguably still is, the FBU - can't claim public service exception and behave like BL in the early 70s.
    Like my Mrs keeps telling me, Matt Wrack ain't no Bob Crow, and we can't bring London to a standstill!

    Oh, I don't know, you could threaten to stop doing crosswords during work hours, or you could menace us with cats left unstranded in trees, or you could explain how your job is marginally more dangerous than being a cashier.
    I'm being trolled, ain't I?
    I'm not asking for more money, I merely pointed out that failed cabinet ministers get nearly my annual take home pay as a bung for getting binned back onto the back benches.

    Do you have a 2nd job?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    "The above poll, by ComRes for ITV News, was taken this afternoon after the news of Maria Miller’s resignation was announced and shows what voters thought of David Cameron’s handling of the expenses issue.

    The numbers speak for themselves."


    Not on here they don't.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited April 2014
    I think that in the USA Check out girls get shot by armed robbers every now and then. Its probably safer in Oadby Waitrose.
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:


    < snip >
    I'm not asking for more money, I manage on 28 grand a year (19 takehome). I wouldn't mind a bit more, obviously. If they could have just left my pension alone, though....

    For what it is worth, Mr. Stopper, I think you and your colleagues have been treated dreadfully, especially when compared with the plod. That said maybe a large part of your problem has been, and arguably still is, the FBU - can't claim public service exception and behave like BL in the early 70s.
    Like my Mrs keeps telling me, Matt Wrack ain't no Bob Crow, and we can't bring London to a standstill!

    Oh, I don't know, you could threaten to stop doing crosswords during work hours, or you could menace us with cats left unstranded in trees, or you could explain how your job is marginally more dangerous than being a cashier.
    I'm being trolled, ain't I?
    I'm not asking for more money, I merely pointed out that failed cabinet ministers get nearly my take home pay as a bung for getting binned back onto the back benches.

    OF COURSE you are being trolled. I just thought I'd have some pejorative fun as a corrective to Bobafett's ludicrous Fellating of All Firemen.

    That said, while I always suspected that being a Fireman wasn't that dangerous at all (how often do you hear about firemen dying? Never?) I was surprised to discover your job is less dangerous than most jobs, and about as risky as being a check-out girl.
  • SeanT said:

    SeanT said:


    < snip >
    I'm not asking for more money, I manage on 28 grand a year (19 takehome). I wouldn't mind a bit more, obviously. If they could have just left my pension alone, though....

    For what it is worth, Mr. Stopper, I think you and your colleagues have been treated dreadfully, especially when compared with the plod. That said maybe a large part of your problem has been, and arguably still is, the FBU - can't claim public service exception and behave like BL in the early 70s.
    Like my Mrs keeps telling me, Matt Wrack ain't no Bob Crow, and we can't bring London to a standstill!

    Oh, I don't know, you could threaten to stop doing crosswords during work hours, or you could menace us with cats left unstranded in trees, or you could explain how your job is marginally more dangerous than being a cashier.
    I'm being trolled, ain't I?
    I'm not asking for more money, I merely pointed out that failed cabinet ministers get nearly my take home pay as a bung for getting binned back onto the back benches.

    OF COURSE you are being trolled. I just thought I'd have some pejorative fun as a corrective to Bobafett's ludicrous Fellating of All Firemen.

    That said, while I always suspected that being a Fireman wasn't that dangerous at all (how often do you hear about firemen dying? Never?) I was surprised to discover your job is less dangerous than most jobs, and about as risky as being a check-out girl.
    I'm gonna sound like a cock now, but we don't die, because, we're probably the best Fire and Rescue Service in the World, professional, best trained, not too shabbily equipped, excellent procedures, and not too badly restricted by health and safety. Just look at the International Search and Rescue side of things. If there's an earthquake, we're the kiddies you want turning up ( providing we can get a plane out in time). We even teach the Yanks a thing or two.
    On the danger side, I guess the thing is, every day I go to work, there is the potential for drama. It aint The Towering Inferno everyday.

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited April 2014
    Since we're talking about firemen: I was talking to a friend over the weekend who until very recently was a retained fireman. They had the classic call a few weeks ago - cat has been stuck up a tree for two days, won't come down. So they put up a ladder and one of the lads climbs up and tries to rescue the cat, which is having none of it. Negotiations continue for a while, but the cat is adamant that it's not budging. Eventually the fireman gets a bit over-enthusiastic, tries to grab the cat, which promptly and viciously scratches his face, runs down the tree... then legs it at full speed to the next tree, and scrabbles up to the top of it.

    I think at that point they gave up.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Michael Fabricant ‏@Mike_Fabricant · 40 secs
    Am being a decent sort. Have refused appearances on Newsnight, Today, and even LBC! But will be available for Barmitzvahs & other functions

  • currystar said:

    SeanT said:


    < snip >
    I'm not asking for more money, I manage on 28 grand a year (19 takehome). I wouldn't mind a bit more, obviously. If they could have just left my pension alone, though....

    For what it is worth, Mr. Stopper, I think you and your colleagues have been treated dreadfully, especially when compared with the plod. That said maybe a large part of your problem has been, and arguably still is, the FBU - can't claim public service exception and behave like BL in the early 70s.
    Like my Mrs keeps telling me, Matt Wrack ain't no Bob Crow, and we can't bring London to a standstill!

    Oh, I don't know, you could threaten to stop doing crosswords during work hours, or you could menace us with cats left unstranded in trees, or you could explain how your job is marginally more dangerous than being a cashier.
    I'm being trolled, ain't I?
    I'm not asking for more money, I merely pointed out that failed cabinet ministers get nearly my annual take home pay as a bung for getting binned back onto the back benches.

    Do you have a 2nd job?
    No, but if you're offering?

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2014
    JackW said:

    MikeK said:

    JackW said:

    PB Golf Brains Trust Call

    Might I ask of the collective wisdom of the sundry Sunday hackers hereabouts if perchance there is a tasty morsel of collective grey matter on the likely recipient of that male garment of the blazered green variety.

    In short - a tip for the US Masters ?

    I can give you three likely and one unlikely winner of this years masters.
    1. Matt Kuchar
    2. Jason Day
    3. Dustin Johnson

    And in the unlikely event that he starts playing well, Ernie Els. I would love to see Ernie in a Green Jacket.
    Thank you and also to @philiph

    Look on Betfairs Top 5 finish market

    Back players each way where the place part of the bet is better odds than the Betfair market
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    @SeanT

    Being a fireman is about as risky as a checkout girl? God knows where you got that "statistic" from, I expect you made it up. However, lets leave that aside and consider the situation when the shit hits the fan.

    Someone is going to put on the mask and walk in to that burning building, where the heat is so hot it melts plastic and where the smoke is so thick you literally can't see a hand in front of your face, to get the little girl out. That person ain't going to be you, it ain't going to be some checkout girl (and it certainly ain't going to be me) but it will be Mr. Stopper or one of his colleagues. So maybe dial back on the low danger occupation nonsense?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    The Times of London ‏@thetimes 1m

    Tomorrow's front page: Osborne led revolt to force Miller out (@elliotttimes, @SamCoatesTimes) pic.twitter.com/LchcgAekeb

    Revolt? Force?? Doesn't sound very like the PB Cameroons spin on things now does it?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    @Barnes As seen daily on PB, the modern Tory Party values bankers, journalists, speculators.

    Where were you under 13 years of new labour ?


  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    On a rather more sombre fire service story, Geoff Wicker was well-known in our village:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/8415936.stm

    May he and Brian Wembridge rest in peace.

    We heard the explosion, 14 miles away.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Jesus golf is bloody difficult to anlayse odds for. Grand national was far easier.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:


    < snip >
    I'm not asking for more money, I manage on 28 grand a year (19 takehome). I wouldn't mind a bit more, obviously. If they could have just left my pension alone, though....

    For what it is worth, Mr. Stopper, I think you and your colleagues have been treated dreadfully, especially when compared with the plod. That said maybe a large part of your problem has been, and arguably still is, the FBU - can't claim public service exception and behave like BL in the early 70s.
    Like my Mrs keeps telling me, Matt Wrack ain't no Bob Crow, and we can't bring London to a standstill!

    Oh, I don't know, you could threaten to stop doing crosswords during work hours, or you could menace us with cats left unstranded in trees, or you could explain how your job is marginally more dangerous than being a cashier.
    I'm being trolled, ain't I?
    I'm not asking for more money, I merely pointed out that failed cabinet ministers get nearly my take home pay as a bung for getting binned back onto the back benches.

    OF COURSE you are being trolled. I just thought I'd have some pejorative fun as a corrective to Bobafett's ludicrous Fellating of All Firemen.

    That said, while I always suspected that being a Fireman wasn't that dangerous at all (how often do you hear about firemen dying? Never?) I was surprised to discover your job is less dangerous than most jobs, and about as risky as being a check-out girl.
    I'm gonna sound like a cock now, but we don't die, because, we're probably the best Fire and Rescue Service in the World, professional, best trained, not too shabbily equipped, excellent procedures, and not too badly restricted by health and safety. Just look at the International Search and Rescue side of things. If there's an earthquake, we're the kiddies you want turning up ( providing we can get a plane out in time). We even teach the Yanks a thing or two.
    On the danger side, I guess the thing is, every day I go to work, there is the potential for drama. It aint The Towering Inferno everyday.

    I'd agree with that, your service is exemplary and largely incorruptible. Alas in the South of Europe it's widely believed that the fire services are involved in systematic arson.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Guardian: UK wasted £560 million on anti-flu drugs.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    SeanT said:

    @SeanT

    Being a fireman is about as risky as a checkout girl? God knows where you got that "statistic" from, I expect you made it up. However, lets leave that aside and consider the situation when the shit hits the fan.

    Someone is going to put on the mask and walk in to that burning building, where the heat is so hot it melts plastic and where the smoke is so thick you literally can't see a hand in front of your face, to get the little girl out. That person ain't going to be you, it ain't going to be some checkout girl (and it certainly ain't going to be me) but it will be Mr. Stopper or one of his colleagues. So maybe dial back on the low danger occupation nonsense?

    Er, the stats are here, moron:

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/01/08/168897140/the-deadliest-jobs-in-america-in-one-graphic

    Professional hint: the word "ain't", endlessly repeated, does not lend your prose the machismo of veracity.
    I have a couple of mates who have just retired from the LFB.

    One of them wasn't called out at night for almost a year and was laughing about it, two weeks later he was in the second crew that went down into Kings Cross.

    Having been cut out of a car by firemen and tended by paramedics/ambulance crew I cannot praise them enough, we should cherish these people and pay them accordingly.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Discussion on the murder of Keith Blakelock on Newsnight

    When Stephen Lawrence was murdered, apparently within 48 hours dozens upon dozens of people had named the 5 people who were eventually tried.

    I've just heard that 30 people surrounded Blakelock while he was murdered, almost all from the estate I would have thought

    And NO ONE knows who they were or has been motivated to tell the police?

    Does anyone think the Police's racist malpractice in the case of Stephen Lawrence was motivated by the Blakelock murder?

    Am I stating the obvious?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    currystar The Tories have also gained 14% of 2010 LDs according to yougov, so the UKIP gain from the Tories is more than the 3% from Cameron's 2010 share
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Interesting that Fishermen have the most dangerous job, as epitomised by 'the Perfect Storm'
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    SeanT said:

    @SeanT

    Being a fireman is about as risky as a checkout girl? God knows where you got that "statistic" from, I expect you made it up. However, lets leave that aside and consider the situation when the shit hits the fan.

    Someone is going to put on the mask and walk in to that burning building, where the heat is so hot it melts plastic and where the smoke is so thick you literally can't see a hand in front of your face, to get the little girl out. That person ain't going to be you, it ain't going to be some checkout girl (and it certainly ain't going to be me) but it will be Mr. Stopper or one of his colleagues. So maybe dial back on the low danger occupation nonsense?

    Er, the stats are here, moron:

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/01/08/168897140/the-deadliest-jobs-in-america-in-one-graphic

    Professional hint: the word "ain't", endlessly repeated, does not lend your prose the machismo of veracity.
    Calling me a moron doesn't make the occupation of a check out person in a supermarket as dangerous a front-line fire and rescue person.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    AndyJS said:

    MikeL said:

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down one to three points: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 10%, UKIP 14%

    Same as the 2005 general election for Con and Lab. LDs got about the same as LD+UKIP.
    Tory vote would probably be a bit more efficient this time. Probably more like 250 MPs this time.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Barnes said:

    SeanT said:

    Barnes said:

    As seen daily on PB, the modern Tory Party values bankers, journalists, speculators.

    And it pours scorn on ordinary firemen, teachers, nurses.

    Private good, public bad. It's their ideology. So sad.

    Britain has the best press in the world in terms of exporting ideas and talent: that's yer journalists.

    Britain has some of the worst performing kids in the western world: that's our teachers.

    Next.
    No "next", you've shown where the values and priorities of today's Tories lie.
    Where shall we start,Iraq war,immigration maybe ?

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    @SeanT

    Being a fireman is about as risky as a checkout girl? God knows where you got that "statistic" from, I expect you made it up. However, lets leave that aside and consider the situation when the shit hits the fan.

    Someone is going to put on the mask and walk in to that burning building, where the heat is so hot it melts plastic and where the smoke is so thick you literally can't see a hand in front of your face, to get the little girl out. That person ain't going to be you, it ain't going to be some checkout girl (and it certainly ain't going to be me) but it will be Mr. Stopper or one of his colleagues. So maybe dial back on the low danger occupation nonsense?

    Er, the stats are here, moron:

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/01/08/168897140/the-deadliest-jobs-in-america-in-one-graphic

    Professional hint: the word "ain't", endlessly repeated, does not lend your prose the machismo of veracity.
    I have a couple of mates who have just retired from the LFB.

    One of them wasn't called out at night for almost a year and was laughing about it, two weeks later he was in the second crew that went down into Kings Cross.

    Having been cut out of a car by firemen and tended by paramedics/ambulance crew I cannot praise them enough, we should cherish these people and pay them accordingly.
    It's just arrant sentimental drivel. This is what they are paid to do. How much would you pay them until it feels good? £500,000 a month??

    F*ck them. Pay them LESS. I HATE FIREMEN. AND NURSES.

    I'm sorry but I can't help it if the IQ level on pb has dropped beneath the ambient temperature of my fridge.

    BRING BACK TIM. At least he had a BRAIN.
    Also reasonably certain he tipped up Athletico for the CL. #Shouldhavegoton
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    @SeanT

    Being a fireman is about as risky as a checkout girl? God knows where you got that "statistic" from, I expect you made it up. However, lets leave that aside and consider the situation when the shit hits the fan.

    Someone is going to put on the mask and walk in to that burning building, where the heat is so hot it melts plastic and where the smoke is so thick you literally can't see a hand in front of your face, to get the little girl out. That person ain't going to be you, it ain't going to be some checkout girl (and it certainly ain't going to be me) but it will be Mr. Stopper or one of his colleagues. So maybe dial back on the low danger occupation nonsense?

    Er, the stats are here, moron:

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/01/08/168897140/the-deadliest-jobs-in-america-in-one-graphic

    Professional hint: the word "ain't", endlessly repeated, does not lend your prose the machismo of veracity.
    I have a couple of mates who have just retired from the LFB.

    One of them wasn't called out at night for almost a year and was laughing about it, two weeks later he was in the second crew that went down into Kings Cross.

    Having been cut out of a car by firemen and tended by paramedics/ambulance crew I cannot praise them enough, we should cherish these people and pay them accordingly.
    It's just arrant sentimental drivel. This is what they are paid to do. How much would you pay them until it feels good? £500,000 a month??

    F*ck them. Pay them LESS. I HATE FIREMEN. AND NURSES.

    I'm sorry but I can't help it if the IQ level on pb has dropped beneath the ambient temperature of my fridge.

    BRING BACK TIM. At least he had a BRAIN.
    Thanks - lol

  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    I think Mr. T. may be hitting the bottom of one of his cycles (and maybe the bottom of one of his bottles), probably best to leave him alone for the time being.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    @SeanT

    Being a fireman is about as risky as a checkout girl? God knows where you got that "statistic" from, I expect you made it up. However, lets leave that aside and consider the situation when the shit hits the fan.

    Someone is going to put on the mask and walk in to that burning building, where the heat is so hot it melts plastic and where the smoke is so thick you literally can't see a hand in front of your face, to get the little girl out. That person ain't going to be you, it ain't going to be some checkout girl (and it certainly ain't going to be me) but it will be Mr. Stopper or one of his colleagues. So maybe dial back on the low danger occupation nonsense?

    Er, the stats are here, moron:

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/01/08/168897140/the-deadliest-jobs-in-america-in-one-graphic

    Professional hint: the word "ain't", endlessly repeated, does not lend your prose the machismo of veracity.
    I have a couple of mates who have just retired from the LFB.

    One of them wasn't called out at night for almost a year and was laughing about it, two weeks later he was in the second crew that went down into Kings Cross.

    Having been cut out of a car by firemen and tended by paramedics/ambulance crew I cannot praise them enough, we should cherish these people and pay them accordingly.
    It's just arrant sentimental drivel. This is what they are paid to do. How much would you pay them until it feels good? £500,000 a month??

    F*ck them. Pay them LESS. I HATE FIREMEN. AND NURSES.

    I'm sorry but I can't help it if the IQ level on pb has dropped beneath the ambient temperature of my fridge.

    BRING BACK TIM. At least he had a BRAIN.
    Had enough of this place, Compouter and his relentless drivel bores me to tears and your arrogance is appalling.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Ah yes, Labour's record on the fire service. Lest we forget:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14974552

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    The difference is that some jobs have accidental hazards, but the Fire Service, like the Police and Armed Forces have deliberate hazards, though with good training these can be minimised.

    These are the people who when they hear an explosion, run towards it.

    Pay does not always correspond to value (£300 000 per week for the past it Rooney is ridiculous), but is not the only motivation. There is also the old fashioned concept of public service and duty.
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    @SeanT

    Being a fireman is about as risky as a checkout girl? God knows where you got that "statistic" from, I expect you made it up. However, lets leave that aside and consider the situation when the shit hits the fan.

    Someone is going to put on the mask and walk in to that burning building, where the heat is so hot it melts plastic and where the smoke is so thick you literally can't see a hand in front of your face, to get the little girl out. That person ain't going to be you, it ain't going to be some checkout girl (and it certainly ain't going to be me) but it will be Mr. Stopper or one of his colleagues. So maybe dial back on the low danger occupation nonsense?

    Er, the stats are here, moron:

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/01/08/168897140/the-deadliest-jobs-in-america-in-one-graphic

    Professional hint: the word "ain't", endlessly repeated, does not lend your prose the machismo of veracity.
    I have a couple of mates who have just retired from the LFB.

    One of them wasn't called out at night for almost a year and was laughing about it, two weeks later he was in the second crew that went down into Kings Cross.

    Having been cut out of a car by firemen and tended by paramedics/ambulance crew I cannot praise them enough, we should cherish these people and pay them accordingly.
    It's just arrant sentimental drivel. This is what they are paid to do. How much would you pay them until it feels good? £500,000 a month??

    F*ck them. Pay them LESS. I HATE FIREMEN. AND NURSES.

    I'm sorry but I can't help it if the IQ level on pb has dropped beneath the ambient temperature of my fridge.

    BRING BACK TIM. At least he had a BRAIN.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    MikeL said:

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down one to three points: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 10%, UKIP 14%

    Same as the 2005 general election for Con and Lab. LDs got about the same as LD+UKIP.
    Tory vote would probably be a bit more efficient this time. Probably more like 250 MPs this time.
    The boundaries are slightly better, although not much.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    Barnes said:

    SeanT said:

    Barnes said:

    As seen daily on PB, the modern Tory Party values bankers, journalists, speculators.

    And it pours scorn on ordinary firemen, teachers, nurses.

    Private good, public bad. It's their ideology. So sad.

    Britain has the best press in the world in terms of exporting ideas and talent: that's yer journalists.

    Britain has some of the worst performing kids in the western world: that's our teachers.

    Next.
    No "next", you've shown where the values and priorities of today's Tories lie.
    ST isn't a Tory, he's a kipper - at least he's sounding like one tonight.

  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    @SeanT

    Being a fireman is about as risky as a checkout girl? God knows where you got that "statistic" from, I expect you made it up. However, lets leave that aside and consider the situation when the shit hits the fan.

    Someone is going to put on the mask and walk in to that burning building, where the heat is so hot it melts plastic and where the smoke is so thick you literally can't see a hand in front of your face, to get the little girl out. That person ain't going to be you, it ain't going to be some checkout girl (and it certainly ain't going to be me) but it will be Mr. Stopper or one of his colleagues. So maybe dial back on the low danger occupation nonsense?

    Er, the stats are here, moron:

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/01/08/168897140/the-deadliest-jobs-in-america-in-one-graphic

    Professional hint: the word "ain't", endlessly repeated, does not lend your prose the machismo of veracity.
    I have a couple of mates who have just retired from the LFB.

    One of them wasn't called out at night for almost a year and was laughing about it, two weeks later he was in the second crew that went down into Kings Cross.

    Having been cut out of a car by firemen and tended by paramedics/ambulance crew I cannot praise them enough, we should cherish these people and pay them accordingly.
    It's just arrant sentimental drivel. This is what they are paid to do. How much would you pay them until it feels good? £500,000 a month??

    F*ck them. Pay them LESS. I HATE FIREMEN. AND NURSES.

    I'm sorry but I can't help it if the IQ level on pb has dropped beneath the ambient temperature of my fridge.

    BRING BACK TIM. At least he had a BRAIN.
    Had enough of this place, Compouter and his relentless drivel bores me to tears and your arrogance is appalling.
    Sure. Entitled to your opinion blah de blah. But what really irks, I suspect, is that I'm RIGHT.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2195847.stm

    Sorry.
    You may be right but at least I am a Londoner!
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    perdix said:

    Barnes said:

    SeanT said:

    Barnes said:

    As seen daily on PB, the modern Tory Party values bankers, journalists, speculators.

    And it pours scorn on ordinary firemen, teachers, nurses.

    Private good, public bad. It's their ideology. So sad.

    Britain has the best press in the world in terms of exporting ideas and talent: that's yer journalists.

    Britain has some of the worst performing kids in the western world: that's our teachers.

    Next.
    No "next", you've shown where the values and priorities of today's Tories lie.
    ST isn't a Tory, he's a kipper - at least he's sounding like one tonight.

    I'm a kipper and I totally disagree with him
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    SeanT said:

    Incidentally, being a foreign correspondent is almost certainly more dangerous than being a fireman.

    Yes, think of the dangers you'll be running on this mission:

    http://tinyurl.com/ocq68zu

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Still can't believe the Tories scuppered the new boundaries over House of Lords reform. That's the only reason Ed has any chance of a majority next year.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Quotes from the Telegraph,

    "The Prime Minister said there is “more to do” to reassure the public that Parliament is “good and honest” after Mrs Miller left the Cabinet.
    “There is still very deep public concern about the expenses scandal,” he said. “The biggest lesson I learnt [is] that that anger is still very raw and it needs to be acted on.”

    Cameron admits he hasn't got a clue about how people feel when it comes to politicians and the trough or, I suspect, anything else.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2014
    Today is the 22nd anniversary of the Tories' last election victory:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARifiLUKwxA&amp
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    AndyJS said:

    Still can't believe the Tories scuppered the new boundaries over House of Lords reform. That's the only reason Ed has any chance of a majority next year.

    They didn't. Mr Clegg just used that as an excuse.

    "Matthew D'Ancona says in his book In It Together (p. 289), based on his own direct conversations, that by the summer of 2012 Nick Clegg had come to believe that the boundary changes constituted "an existential threat" to the Liberal Democrats. In his exact words, quoted by D'Ancona, "I can't, under any circumstances, allow these boundary changes to take place before the next election. This is an existential threat.""

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jessenorman/100258267/the-masters-of-truthiness-are-spreading-ignorance-about-lords-reform/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    SeanT Indeed, although the incident of shipwrecks has declined. Firemen are generally well trained and given the best equipment which probably helps lower their figures in what would seem a dangerous role
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Still can't believe the Tories scuppered the new boundaries over House of Lords reform. That's the only reason Ed has any chance of a majority next year.

    They didn't. Mr Clegg just used that as an excuse.

    "Matthew D'Ancona says in his book In It Together (p. 289), based on his own direct conversations, that by the summer of 2012 Nick Clegg had come to believe that the boundary changes constituted "an existential threat" to the Liberal Democrats. In his exact words, quoted by D'Ancona, "I can't, under any circumstances, allow these boundary changes to take place before the next election. This is an existential threat.""

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jessenorman/100258267/the-masters-of-truthiness-are-spreading-ignorance-about-lords-reform/
    That means the Tories offered the LDs an AV referendum for no reason. Another Cameron masterstroke.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    AndyJS said:

    Today is the 22nd anniversary of the Tories' last election victory:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARifiLUKwxA&amp

    Can still remember the absolute shock, horror and despair of a leftie neighbour of mine who was part of the local Labour movement at that time.

    To say she wasn't happy that night was an understatement.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Andy JS - John Major, the boy from Brixton, the only Tory leader alive to have won a majority, who would have thought it?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Pulpstar said:

    Jesus golf is bloody difficult to anlayse odds for. Grand national was far easier.

    Why bet now ? Wait for day 3...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    GIN1138 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Today is the 22nd anniversary of the Tories' last election victory:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARifiLUKwxA&amp

    Can still remember the absolute shock, horror and despair of a leftie neighbour of mine who was part of the local Labour movement at that time.

    To say she wasn't happy that night was an understatement.
    The increase in the Labour vote in 1992 was only marginally higher than 1987:

    Change in Labour share:

    1992: +3.67%
    1987: +3.26%
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    As Nabavi, Fitalass et al made clear many times, Maria Miller should not have gone.

    According to them, she "did nothing wrong". So why go ?

    Always better if a wounded prey is in government rather than out of it.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    @SeanT

    Being a fireman is about as risky as a checkout girl? God knows where you got that "statistic" from, I expect you made it up. However, lets leave that aside and consider the situation when the shit hits the fan.

    Someone is going to put on the mask and walk in to that burning building, where the heat is so hot it melts plastic and where the smoke is so thick you literally can't see a hand in front of your face, to get the little girl out. That person ain't going to be you, it ain't going to be some checkout girl (and it certainly ain't going to be me) but it will be Mr. Stopper or one of his colleagues. So maybe dial back on the low danger occupation nonsense?

    Er, the stats are here, moron:

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/01/08/168897140/the-deadliest-jobs-in-america-in-one-graphic

    Professional hint: the word "ain't", endlessly repeated, does not lend your prose the machismo of veracity.
    I have a couple of mates who have just retired from the LFB.

    One of them wasn't called out at night for almost a year and was laughing about it, two weeks later he was in the second crew that went down into Kings Cross.

    Having been cut out of a car by firemen and tended by paramedics/ambulance crew I cannot praise them enough, we should cherish these people and pay them accordingly.
    It's just arrant sentimental drivel. This is what they are paid to do. How much would you pay them until it feels good? £500,000 a month??

    F*ck them. Pay them LESS. I HATE FIREMEN. AND NURSES.

    I'm sorry but I can't help it if the IQ level on pb has dropped beneath the ambient temperature of my fridge.

    BRING BACK TIM. At least he had a BRAIN.
    Had enough of this place, Compouter and his relentless drivel bores me to tears and your arrogance is appalling.
    ARF!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    TGOHF said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Jesus golf is bloody difficult to anlayse odds for. Grand national was far easier.

    Why bet now ? Wait for day 3...
    Good idea.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Anyone seen @Foxinsox recently ?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    edited April 2014
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Still can't believe the Tories scuppered the new boundaries over House of Lords reform. That's the only reason Ed has any chance of a majority next year.

    They didn't. Mr Clegg just used that as an excuse.

    "Matthew D'Ancona says in his book In It Together (p. 289), based on his own direct conversations, that by the summer of 2012 Nick Clegg had come to believe that the boundary changes constituted "an existential threat" to the Liberal Democrats. In his exact words, quoted by D'Ancona, "I can't, under any circumstances, allow these boundary changes to take place before the next election. This is an existential threat.""

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jessenorman/100258267/the-masters-of-truthiness-are-spreading-ignorance-about-lords-reform/
    That means the Tories offered the LDs an AV referendum for no reason. Another Cameron masterstroke.
    Not quite.

    If the AV referendum had passed then we would have got AV + the Boundary changes or neither.

    Remember what the law said. The Statutory Instruments implementing AV and the Boundary changes had to be laid before the Queen simultaneously in the same meeting - ie implementation of AV would have been in suspense until the Boundary reviews finished.

    So I wonder what Clegg would have done if the AV referendum had passed? He would have had a choice (any time after the referendum right up until Autumn 2013) - both or neither?
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Pulpstar said:

    Anyone seen @Foxinsox recently ?

    No, but I have seen a squirrel with some goalposts.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    I thought boundary changes were linked to Lords reform? *titter*
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    edited April 2014



    Had enough of this place, Compouter and his relentless drivel bores me to tears and your arrogance is appalling.

    ARF!
    No stamina, some of these kippers. Sad, isn't it?

  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    SeanT said:

    Isn't there meant to be an indyref poll tonight?

    Wo ist es?

    Survation for the Daily Record. No sight yet!

    twitter.com/Survation/status/453938441534054400
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118



    Had enough of this place, Compouter and his relentless drivel bores me to tears and your arrogance is appalling.

    ARF!
    No stamina, some of these kippers. Sad, isn't it?

    What do you make of the Hope not Hate leaflet being distributed by Labour calling UKIP racist? You were asked on Monday but didn't answer

    Fair game?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited April 2014
    I don't know anything about horse racing, but winning a major golf tournament like The Masters is less a matter of form than experience, particularly at a course like the Augusta. The last first time winner was in 1979, Fuzzy Zoeller if I remember correctly.

    There are 24 first timers in the field this week.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I am about. Whats up?
    Pulpstar said:

    Anyone seen @Foxinsox recently ?

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    For those wanting a flutter on The Masters, here are the Las Vegas Hilton odds -


    LVH ODDS TO WIN 2014 MASTERS (last week's prices in parentheses)

    RORY McILROY 10-1 (8-1)

    ADAM SCOTT 10-1

    PHIL MICKELSON 12-1

    JASON DAY 12-1 (10-1)

    MATT KUCHAR 12-1 (20-1)

    DUSTIN JOHNSON 20-1 (15-1)

    BUBBA WATSON 20-1

    JUSTIN ROSE 25-1

    BRANDT SNEDEKER 25-1 (30-1)

    HENRIK STENSON 25-1 (20-1)

    SERGIO GARCIA 25-1 (30-1)

    ZACH JOHNSON 25-1

    JASON DUFNER 30-1

    KEEGAN BRADLEY 30-1

    JORDAN SPIETH 30-1 (25-1)

    LEE WESTWOOD 40-1 (50-1)

    CHARL SCHWARTZEL 40-1

    HUNTER MAHAN 40-1 (50-1)

    ANGEL CABRERA 40-1 (50-1)

    HARRIS ENGLISH 40-1

    LUKE DONALD 50-1

    GRAEME McDOWELL 50-1

    IAN POULTER 50-1

    RICKIE FOWLER 50-1 (60-1)

    GRAHAM DeLAET 50-1

    JIMMY WALKER 50-1 (60-1)

    LOUIS OOSTHUIZEN 60-1 (50-1)

    RYAN MOORE 60-1

    GARY WOODLAND 60-1

    STEVE STRICKER 80-1

    WEBB SIMPSON 80-1 (60-1)

    BILL HAAS 80-1 (60-1)

    JIM FURYK 80-1

    HIDEKI MATSUYAMA 80-1

    K.J. CHOI 100-1

    ERNIE ELS 100-1

    FRED COUPLES 100-1

    NICK WATNEY 125-1

    THORBJORN OLESEN 125-1 (100-1)

    BILLY HORSCHEL 125-1 (100-1)

    PETER HANSON 125-1

    FRANCESCO MOLINARI 125-1 (150-1)

    MARC LEISHMAN 125-1 (100-1)

    JAMIE DONALDSON 125-1

    MARTIN KAYMER 150-1

    RUSSELL HENLEY 150-1

    TIM CLARK 150-1

    TREVOR IMMELMAN 150-1

    MATTEO MANASSERO 200-1

    BRANDEN GRACE 200-1

    MIGUEL ANGEL JIMENEZ 200-1

    STEWART CINK 200-1

    THOMAS BJORN 200-1

    GONZALO FERNANDEZ-CASTANO 200-1

    VIJAY SINGH 200-1

    LUCAS GLOVER 200-1

    JONAS BLIXT 250-1

    KEVIN STREELMAN 250-1

    SANG-MOON BAE 250-1

    BOO WEEKLEY 300-1

    JOHN HUH 300-1 (250-1)

    Y.E. YANG 300-1

    BERNHARD LANGER 300-1

    KEN DUKE 500-1

    DARREN CLARKE 500-1

    MIKE WEIR 1000-1

    JORDAN NIEBRUGGE 1000-1

    DEREK ERNST 1000-1

    JOSE MARIA OLAZABAL 1000-1

    TOM WATSON 1000-1

    GARRICK PORTEOUS 2000-1 (1000-1)

    FIELD (all others) 15-1

    TIGER WOODS withdrew
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    If it is about Diplomacy, it looks as if my account has been deleted from both games. It seems that I am accused of cheating.

    I have not cheated. I think that the problem is my son has registered an account in a different game, so we were both suspended.

    I do not know how to reverse it, I have written to the moderators.

    I am about. Whats up?

    Pulpstar said:

    Anyone seen @Foxinsox recently ?

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    As we write, much ink is being spilled over the public opinion implications of Maria Miller’s expenses, yet there is no sign that this is having any impact on the polls, nor should we expect it to when most voters have only a sketchy understanding of who Ms Miller is or what she is supposed to have done. This may change as the story gradually diffuses through the electorate, or if it takes a new turn. More likely, however, is that it will simply come and go, like many earlier stories before it, without leaving any lasting mark, aside perhaps from intensifying a little the “pox on all your houses” sentiment which has helped to fuel the rise in UKIP support.

    http://sotonpolitics.org/2014/04/09/polling-observatory-35-politics-fast-and-slow/
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    UKIP candidate for Basingstoke, Alan Stone, currently has just 19 Twitter followers, although that number will probably increase rapidly from now on:

    https://twitter.com/alan_h_stone
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    isam said:



    Had enough of this place, Compouter and his relentless drivel bores me to tears and your arrogance is appalling.

    ARF!
    No stamina, some of these kippers. Sad, isn't it?

    What do you make of the Hope not Hate leaflet being distributed by Labour calling UKIP racist? You were asked on Monday but didn't answer

    Fair game?
    Take that to mean he approves of the leaflet
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    If it is about Diplomacy, it looks as if my account has been deleted from both games. It seems that I am accused of cheating.

    I have not cheated. I think that the problem is my son has registered an account in a different game, so we were both suspended.

    I do not know how to reverse it, I have written to the moderators.



    I am about. Whats up?

    Pulpstar said:

    Anyone seen @Foxinsox recently ?

    Hopefully you'll get back - I am enjoying our wars in the Med.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    isam said:

    isam said:



    Had enough of this place, Compouter and his relentless drivel bores me to tears and your arrogance is appalling.

    ARF!
    No stamina, some of these kippers. Sad, isn't it?

    What do you make of the Hope not Hate leaflet being distributed by Labour calling UKIP racist? You were asked on Monday but didn't answer

    Fair game?
    Take that to mean he approves of the leaflet
    Or that he's gone to bed. Whichever.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2014
    Top 5 militaries in the world:

    1. USA
    2. Russia
    3. China
    4. India
    5. United Kingdom

    http://www.businessinsider.com/10-most-powerful-militaries-in-the-world-2013-6?op=1
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    isam said:



    What do you make of the Hope not Hate leaflet being distributed by Labour calling UKIP racist? You were asked on Monday but didn't answer

    Fair game?

    Didn't see the query, sorry - I was having access difficulties over most of Friday-Monday.

    I've not seen the UKIP leaflets in the area so I can't comment on the campaign there to which the leaflet was presumably responding. However, it's not my experience of UKIP in Broxtowe or of most UKIP posters here - I'd be happy to meet Richard Tyndall or Sean Fear or you for a drink!
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