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  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Two world wars and one World Trade Organisation.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,195
    Oh fuck. Strange bedfellows indeed.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,572
    Idiotic poster - if the Brexit Party and its backers really still want to go after Boris. They are making it so easy for their voters to quietly slink away to the Tories....

    Yay!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,426
    ydoethur said:

    Biggles first appeared in print in 1932 and the majority of books are set in or after World War II.
    Ummm: technically, didn't he appear in magazines before the first book was published. (As in for the best part of a decade before, IIRC, the Cruise of the Condor was published.)
  • TGOHF2TGOHF2 Posts: 584

    So having fought against a referendum to exercise direct democracy, and having encouraged MPs to overturn the decision reached by that exercise in direct democracy, he's now also opposed to representative democracy to hold those said MPs to account.
    Jezza and Labour will chicken out again - hilarious.
  • egg said:

    Rotten Hagfish! That poster is all leave and every leaver! You are all just a big bag of jingoistic wind. You don’t have a plan.
    You really are quite deranged aren't you.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,572
    On the plus side, at least they didn't give her a toothbrush moustache.....
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    edited October 2019
    Charles said:

    No it’s where Leave.EU are (I hesitate with “descended”)

    They do not represent leave
    Would it really be incorrect to say that Nigel & friends have been the spearhead of the movement, for decades?

    Would it really be inaccurate to remark that they were and are the few who move the Overton window with their provocations, for the many to follow them?
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    Byronic said:

    Quite possibly. But I am still right. He is one of the main reasons we are here, in this bad place.
    Yup. Asymmetric devolution leaving the English at a disadvantage,(I get to vote on English health, education and transport, people in Bristol I can virtually wave at don’t get to vote on mine), and the utter utter idiocy of reneging on the Constitution/Lisbon vote. What a fool.

    OT: The Leave.eu poster is idiotic too, and offensive. Germany is a deeply peaceful democratic place now. Great. Amen.

    That said IF ( stress IF) Merkel said what she is alleged to have said about NI and forever being in the CU whatever, I’m wondering what German is for cockwomble.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867

    So having fought against a referendum to exercise direct democracy, and having encouraged MPs to overturn the decision reached by that exercise in direct democracy, he's now also opposed to representative democracy to hold those said MPs to account.
    Yep. I've said it before if Blair could bomb the absolute living crap out of Sunderland and Swindon for daring to vote leave he would.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,348
    edited October 2019
    "Just because I don't agree with someone on everything, doesn't mean I'm not gonna be friends with them"

    Not seeing everything about someone through the prism of their worst trait and refusing to acknowledge they could be ok in other aspects of life?

    What madness is this? Is she really even gay?


    https://twitter.com/KayaJones/status/1181620904406728704?s=20
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302
    Interesting that the Leave.EU ad has been the catalyst for his change of mind. He's to be commended for being so open.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192

    On the plus side, at least they didn't give her a toothbrush moustache.....

    For once we agree :+1:
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749

    Indeed
    LOL The 20th Century was Conservative Century because their conservativism was business friendly, and through that pro EU. It wouldn’t do the dirty on, the police, the queen, the Kurd allies, nor expel and repel its own moderate members, instead fiercely proud of being a broad church and a conservative family. The Boris Premiership is currently ripping up the roots of the trees in the Conservative forest. all thanks to the genius of Cummings crouched in a broom cupboard copying the strategy out of Mein Kampf like the amateur he is.

    Yeah. This will end well If you can’t see what’s coming just trust what I’m saying 😁
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    isam said:

    It's a mild version of the kind of thing that gets sent around on White van man type whats app groups about half a dozen times a day to be honest
    Salt of the Earth eh?
  • FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047
    I'm going to enjoy a hard Brexit. Listening to the idiots who voted for it complain. Starting with the farmers and fishermen.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,570

    Thanks you
    Good to see you back on dry land Mr Big_G.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Henry_C said:

    The only person I've heard of who kept a dog with that name is Hugh Grosvenor, the 2nd Duke of Westminster, an anti-Semitic Tory.
    Who died 65+ years ago
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,287

    Florida was British, briefly. So was Washington State.
    Arguably all of the USA east of the Mississippi, such as Tennessee etc, as they were territories of the 13 original colonies.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    GIN1138 said:
    Someone who has seen the light and also someone with a moral compass in calling out that poster/advert.
  • egg said:

    LOL The 20th Century was Conservative Century because their conservativism was business friendly, and through that pro EU. It wouldn’t do the dirty on, the police, the queen, the Kurd allies, nor expel and repel its own moderate members, instead fiercely proud of being a broad church and a conservative family. The Boris Premiership is currently ripping up the roots of the trees in the Conservative forest. all thanks to the genius of Cummings crouched in a broom cupboard copying the strategy out of Mein Kampf like the amateur he is.

    Yeah. This will end well If you can’t see what’s coming just trust what I’m saying 😁
    But every time an argument is made like that the response is Jeremy Corbyn

    If Labour get a sensible leader they would walk into power
  • TGOHF2TGOHF2 Posts: 584

    On the plus side, at least they didn't give her a toothbrush moustache.....

    Given she’s an East German ex communist surely a Stalin moustache would have been the thing ?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302
    edited October 2019
    So, assuming Boris's deal is dead in the water as appears to be the case, what happens next?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,348

    Salt of the Earth eh?
    Who says so?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    edited October 2019

    Someone who has seen the light and also someone with a moral compass in calling out that poster/advert.
    [edit on second thoughts] It;s actually Yalland - though there is also a Yelland of the same forename.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405
    I like the ad. It's the authentic face of Brexit. Far preferable to all the snake oil salesmen like Dan Hannan wanking on about free trade and the inequities of qualified majority voting.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,031
    edited October 2019

    Good to see you back on dry land Mr Big_G.
    Thanks and it is good to be home though the cruise was amazing and it was the ships first transatantic crossing Southampton to Southampton
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302
    Fenman said:

    I'm going to enjoy a hard Brexit. Listening to the idiots who voted for it complain. Starting with the farmers and fishermen.

    Just remind me, who voted for a hard Brexit?
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    GIN1138 said:
    As I have said myself - even I would back an EFTA/EEA Brexit.

    It would take some figuring out to bend the rules for a painless transition because at present we would have to leave the apply and renogitate. Far better to get it all sorted out in advance.

    But that was not the way chosen....
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749

    You really are quite deranged aren't you.
    Oh. So in your universe i’m The deranged one, not the No Dealers? 😃

    Unlike you I can be friendly and fair in my posting, so I’ll say I know you not as a No Dealer. But when you voted leave what did you think would end up happening? Because if it’s a different leave than what you were hoping for, which one of us got it wrong?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,287
    rcs1000 said:

    Ummm: technically, didn't he appear in magazines before the first book was published. (As in for the best part of a decade before, IIRC, the Cruise of the Condor was published.)
    The very early Biggles Stories set in the First war are quite gritty, with combat fatigue etc covered. WE Johns became quite formulaic by the end, but was a good story teller.
  • StreeterStreeter Posts: 684
    Fenman said:

    I'm going to enjoy a hard Brexit. Listening to the idiots who voted for it complain. Starting with the farmers and fishermen.

    Hoo yes. Bring it on. Turkeys.
  • "We don't want to fight but by jingo if we do,
    We've got the ships, we've got the men, and got the money too!"
    Starship Troopers?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,570
    A rift has opened up at the top of Boris Johnson’s government between advisers loyal to the prime minister’s controversial chief aide Dominic Cummings and other senior Johnson allies.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/downing-street-is-split-as-senior-boris-johnsons-allies
  • Interesting that the Leave.EU ad has been the catalyst for his change of mind. He's to be commended for being so open.
    He had already been to court in 2017 to try and stop us leaving the Single Market and blaimed he would rather we Remained than Leave without a deal so whilst I agree with him about the poster it is hardly a Damascene conversion.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,195
    This is just fucking embarrassing. But is it not equally embarrassing that so many in this country take the other side of the argument so instinctively, are so willing to assume that the EU is right and that their own country is wrong? That there is something so immoral in wanting to have democratic control of those making our laws?

    I can’t defend this embarrassing rubbish but maybe remainers should think about what they are willing to support too.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    TGOHF2 said:
    Since the Borisograph Telegraph appears to be Boris's version of Pravda, I presume that we are getting ready for some sort of announcement?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,570
    TGOHF2 said:
    As Mandelson said months ago: Brexit will stop Brexit.

  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    TGOHF2 said:
    Again, disingenuous. It means Boris Brexit deal. We have one deal available (May's), and many others are possible.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749

    "We don't want to fight but by jingo if we do,
    We've got the ships, we've got the men, and got the money too!"
    And we got fighting bears
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    DavidL said:

    This is just fucking embarrassing. But is it not equally embarrassing that so many in this country take the other side of the argument so instinctively, are so willing to assume that the EU is right and that their own country is wrong? That there is something so immoral in wanting to have democratic control of those making our laws?

    I can’t defend this embarrassing rubbish but maybe remainers should think about what they are willing to support too.

    It is not the UK that is wrong - it is a political campaign trying to advance its cause by way of a racist & xenophobic meme.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464

    Just remind me, who voted for a hard Brexit?
    The ballot paper didn’t say “remain” and “ not leave”. The one thing we indisputably voted for was to leave. Parliament, however, in opposition to the vote, has decided to put practical hurdles in the way of leaving in the hope we’ll get bored and give up.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,859
    DavidL said:

    This is just fucking embarrassing. But is it not equally embarrassing that so many in this country take the other side of the argument so instinctively, are so willing to assume that the EU is right and that their own country is wrong? That there is something so immoral in wanting to have democratic control of those making our laws?

    I can’t defend this embarrassing rubbish but maybe remainers should think about what they are willing to support too.

    No, it is not equally embarrassing that so many see Brexit for what it is and are willing to stand up for this countries' place in mainstream Europe.
  • The irònic thing about the Bad Boys of Brexit is that it would have been their 1940s equivalents who’d have run the puppet UK government the Nazis would have established if they’d won the war.
  • TGOHF2 said:

    Given she’s an East German ex communist surely a Stalin moustache would have been the thing ?
    She was born and raised in Hamburg, daughter of a clergyman who was later deployed by the Evangelical Church to a posting in the then GDR.
    She spent roughly half her life there, without ever being remotely communist.
    The insinuated connection to Stalin is as non-existent as the connection to the Third Reich.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302
    DavidL said:

    This is just fucking embarrassing. But is it not equally embarrassing that so many in this country take the other side of the argument so instinctively, are so willing to assume that the EU is right and that their own country is wrong? That there is something so immoral in wanting to have democratic control of those making our laws?

    I can’t defend this embarrassing rubbish but maybe remainers should think about what they are willing to support too.

    I think you would be hard pressed to find anything from the Remain side that is offensive in the way this clearly is.

    I would add though that I have not seen any PB Leavers supporting this Leave.EU ad.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192

    Starship Troopers?
    Part of the Chorus from McDermott's War Song and the only bit I can remember.

    I did read Heinlein's Starship Troopers. The movie version was a travesty of the novel. The novel was bad enough in its own way, but the movie..... :D

    Hollywood can really mess up any book.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255
    edited October 2019
    egg said:

    Oh. So in your universe i’m The deranged one, not the No Dealers? 😃

    Unlike you I can be friendly and fair in my posting, so I’ll say I know you not as a No Dealer. But when you voted leave what did you think would end up happening? Because if it’s a different leave than what you were hoping for, which one of us got it wrong?
    I voted for us to leave. The fact it won't be exactly the form of leave I would prefer is immaterial. Only young children and lunatics expect to get everything exactly as they want it and scream when they don't get it. Maybe we should add irreconcilable Remainers and the ERG to that list.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,195
    Foxy said:

    The very early Biggles Stories set in the First war are quite gritty, with combat fatigue etc covered. WE Johns became quite formulaic by the end, but was a good story teller.
    Biggles of 266 was a great book which gave real insight into how random and brutal life was in the early years of what became the RAF. I haven’t read it in 40 years but it was vivid and compelling.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,426
    Foxy said:

    The very early Biggles Stories set in the First war are quite gritty, with combat fatigue etc covered. WE Johns became quite formulaic by the end, but was a good story teller.
    I have almost all the Biggles stories, and I love the WW1 tales. As you say, they're remarkably gritty: his friends die; he comes close to a nervous breakdown.

    I just introduced my son (aged 8) to the first Gimlet book, King of the Commandos, which I think is perfect fodder for a guns and war obsessed boy.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,287

    The irònic thing about the Bad Boys of Brexit is that it would have been their 1940s equivalents who’d have run the puppet UK government the Nazis would have established if they’d won the war.

    Certainly. After all they are Putin's little helpers already.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192

    No, it is not equally embarrassing that so many see Brexit for what it is and are willing to stand up for this countries' place in mainstream Europe.
    :+1:
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192

    She was born and raised in Hamburg, daughter of a clergyman who was later deployed by the Evangelical Church to a posting in the then GDR.
    She spent roughly half her life there, without ever being remotely communist.
    The insinuated connection to Stalin is as non-existent as the connection to the Third Reich.
    :+1:
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,426
    DavidL said:

    Biggles of 266 was a great book which gave real insight into how random and brutal life was in the early years of what became the RAF. I haven’t read it in 40 years but it was vivid and compelling.

    There are about 40-odd World War One chapters spread across a dozen books, with some repitition. I highly recommend all of them, and read them again from time to time.

    (Usually in an airport when my body says it's 3am, but I need to stay awake to board a plane, and I too zonked to read something I need to concentrate on.)
  • Interesting that the Leave.EU ad has been the catalyst for his change of mind. He's to be commended for being so open.
    Don't know who he is but did he sleep through the referendum? This is Leave.EU throughout. Vile.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464

    She was born and raised in Hamburg, daughter of a clergyman who was later deployed by the Evangelical Church to a posting in the then GDR.
    She spent roughly half her life there, without ever being remotely communist.
    The insinuated connection to Stalin is as non-existent as the connection to the Third Reich.
    Exactly.
  • TGOHF2TGOHF2 Posts: 584

    She was born and raised in Hamburg, daughter of a clergyman who was later deployed by the Evangelical Church to a posting in the then GDR.
    She spent roughly half her life there, without ever being remotely communist.
    The insinuated connection to Stalin is as non-existent as the connection to the Third Reich.
    And who said the Germans don’t amhave a sense of humour ?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,846
    egg said:


    Oh. So in your universe i’m The deranged one, not the No Dealers? 😃

    Unlike you I can be friendly and fair in my posting, so I’ll say I know you not as a No Dealer. But when you voted leave what did you think would end up happening? Because if it’s a different leave than what you were hoping for, which one of us got it wrong?

    Are you Scrapheap? I wish people wouldn't keep changing their un.
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    RIP Brexit 2016-2019. Funeral 31/10/19 at Westminster Crematorium. No flowers.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,195

    No, it is not equally embarrassing that so many see Brexit for what it is and are willing to stand up for this countries' place in mainstream Europe.
    I looked at these sad and pathetic protesters outside the Court of Session today with their EU flags and St Andrew’s crosses with the EU stars superimposed and thought what pathetic and brainless prats they were.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,846

    No, it is not equally embarrassing that so many see Brexit for what it is and are willing to stand up for this countries' place in mainstream Europe.
    Country's
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    Dadge said:

    RIP Brexit 2016-2019. Funeral 31/10/19 at Westminster Crematorium. No flowers.

    I think the death of Brexit has been greatly exagerated. ;)
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited October 2019

    Someone who has seen the light and also someone with a moral compass in calling out that poster/advert.
    Every single leaver on this site has called out the poster/advert.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,426
    Can we please have an election so the people of the UK can choose a party to implement Brexit or have a referendum or whatever.

    Having a government that is in office but not in power is a disaster for everyone.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192

    A rift has opened up at the top of Boris Johnson’s government between advisers loyal to the prime minister’s controversial chief aide Dominic Cummings and other senior Johnson allies.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/downing-street-is-split-as-senior-boris-johnsons-allies

    No doubt Dom has wargamed it....
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749

    But every time an argument is made like that the response is Jeremy Corbyn

    If Labour get a sensible leader they would walk into power
    No deal brexit v Jeremy corbyn.

    No deal, destruction of manufacturing industry, destruction of farming industry, doubling of debt and trashing of economy

    Corbyn, all the investment borrowing the Tories are promising plus everyone gets vote on whether to proceed with a deal brexit or remain.

    If anyone thinks the voters of this country will choose no deal over Corbyn they are, to borrow Richard Tyndall's phrase, deranged.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900

    So, assuming Boris's deal is dead in the water as appears to be the case, what happens next?

    My guess is Boris will be happy to spend time in court, and force Parliament to either vonc him or nominate someone else to send the extension letter. Which of the two probably depends on whether there really is a loophole to be exploited in the Benn act.

    …. and of course we're presuming the EU will accept an extension. Perhaps they will, but state it's the last one. Or they might be fed up of revisiting this constantly, and use the Benn act to force a 2 year extension.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    rcs1000 said:

    Can we please have an election so the people of the UK can choose a party to implement Brexit or have a referendum or whatever.

    Having a government that is in office but not in power is a disaster for everyone.

    Another few weeks will not matter. Once we are past 31st October...
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749

    Every single leaver on this site has called out the poster/advert.
    And every single one benefited from the posters in winning 2016
  • rcs1000 said:

    Can we please have an election so the people of the UK can choose a party to implement Brexit or have a referendum or whatever.

    Having a government that is in office but not in power is a disaster for everyone.

    "Bring 'em on! I'd prefer a straight fight to all this sneaking around!"
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,572
    Dadge said:

    RIP Brexit 2016-2019. Funeral 31/10/19 at Westminster Crematorium. No flowers.

    That's a keeper.....
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302

    Country's
    There are four countries in Britain! :smile:
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302
    rcs1000 said:

    Can we please have an election so the people of the UK can choose a party to implement Brexit or have a referendum or whatever.

    Having a government that is in office but not in power is a disaster for everyone.


    Couldn't Boris provoke an election by resigning?
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192

    Every single leaver on this site has called out the poster/advert.
    I do not know if he is a Leaver or not, but "I like the ad. It's the authentic face of Brexit. ..."

    http://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/2527091/#Comment_2527091
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,426
    isam said:

    "Just because I don't agree with someone on everything, doesn't mean I'm not gonna be friends with them"

    Not seeing everything about someone through the prism of their worst trait and refusing to acknowledge they could be ok in other aspects of life?

    What madness is this? Is she really even gay?


    https://twitter.com/KayaJones/status/1181620904406728704?s=20

    George W Bush also made a very smart observation that I think we should remember on here with regards to Brexit:

    "Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples - while judging ourselves by our best intentions."
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,287

    Part of the Chorus from McDermott's War Song and the only bit I can remember.

    I did read Heinlein's Starship Troopers. The movie version was a travesty of the novel. The novel was bad enough in its own way, but the movie..... :D

    Hollywood can really mess up any book.
    Starship Troopers is a brilliant movie, made from a very dull book. Paul Verhoeven was right to tear up the script, which was a wordy hymn to facism beloved by the American military, and to make an over the top satire of Facism with gratuitous nudity and gore. He is a top director.

    https://youtu.be/U_sZdX3tFFU
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192


    Couldn't Boris provoke an election by resigning?
    He could certainly affect a change in his pay packet and perks of government.
  • Part of the Chorus from McDermott's War Song and the only bit I can remember.

    I did read Heinlein's Starship Troopers. The movie version was a travesty of the novel. The novel was bad enough in its own way, but the movie..... :D

    Hollywood can really mess up any book.
    I think Paul Verhoeven was actually spoofing the quasi-Fascist tone of the novel :lol:
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    Warren 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest national poll for the Democratic nomination, by Quinnipaic.

    Taking the last 7 polling companies to conduct national polls for the nomination, 4 have Warren ahead and 3 Biden ahead. Biden's leads are substantive whereas Warren's are narrow. However, of the 3 companies which have "A" ratings with 538, all 3 have Warren ahead.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primaries/democratic/national/
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    edited October 2019
    DavidL said:

    This is just fucking embarrassing. But is it not equally embarrassing that so many in this country take the other side of the argument so instinctively, are so willing to assume that the EU is right and that their own country is wrong? That there is something so immoral in wanting to have democratic control of those making our laws?

    I can’t defend this embarrassing rubbish but maybe remainers should think about what they are willing to support too.

    Maybe it is slightly questionable, to avoid saying immoral, to insist on keeping complete control over the small part of the laws pertaining customs and trade regulations within NI in London, if the people in NI would be quite consenting to share that part of their laws with their southern neighbours to protect their livelihoods.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364

    I do not know if he is a Leaver or not, but "I like the ad. It's the authentic face of Brexit. ..."

    http://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/2527091/#Comment_2527091
    I think was in the context of revealing (in their opinion) Brexit to be racist etc. I don't think they are liking it because they are a leaver...
  • Awb683Awb683 Posts: 80
    Looks pretty fair comment to me.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    Foxy said:

    Starship Troopers is a brilliant movie, made from a very dull book. Paul Verhoeven was right to tear up the script, which was a wordy hymn to facism beloved by the American military, and to make an over the top satire of Facism with gratuitous nudity and gore. He is a top director.
    An interesting perspective! I do agree about the nascent fasicsm of the novel.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Foxy said:

    Starship Troopers is a brilliant movie, made from a very dull book. Paul Verhoeven was right to tear up the script, which was a wordy hymn to facism beloved by the American military, and to make an over the top satire of Facism with gratuitous nudity and gore. He is a top director.

    https://youtu.be/U_sZdX3tFFU
    Haven't we already discussed this?

    People love Starship Troopers BECAUSE it is Fascist. Its supposed allegorical status means we are free to like the Fascism, despite the movie being clearly Fascist.

    For a Fascist movie, it is very clever.
  • egg said:

    No deal brexit v Jeremy corbyn.

    No deal, destruction of manufacturing industry, destruction of farming industry, doubling of debt and trashing of economy

    Corbyn, all the investment borrowing the Tories are promising plus everyone gets vote on whether to proceed with a deal brexit or remain.

    If anyone thinks the voters of this country will choose no deal over Corbyn they are, to borrow Richard Tyndall's phrase, deranged.
    The problem is that the election will be Boris wanting a deal and no deal if all else fails while Corbyn repulses so many and will be in a battle for remain vote with the Lib Dems
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,570
    rcs1000 said:

    Can we please have an election so the people of the UK can choose a party to implement Brexit or have a referendum or whatever.

    Having a government that is in office but not in power is a disaster for everyone.

    Cameron and Clegg's FTPA.
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124
    On one side we've got that perfectly shitty leave.eu tweet

    And on the other there are comments on this thread saying leavers are modern day Nazi puppets, Putin's little helpers, snake oil salesmen and idiots.

    Settle down, everyone. If you've got nothing nice to say then, well, there's always Twitter.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    Streeter said:

    Hoo yes. Bring it on. Turkeys.
    No. It will ruin the country we love even more. No deal will put us further away from the answer and the return to the necessary commitment to each other and sharing our community. There is no good at all in a bad No Deal Brexit.
  • Drutt said:

    On one side we've got that perfectly shitty leave.eu tweet

    And on the other there are comments on this thread saying leavers are modern day Nazi puppets, Putin's little helpers, snake oil salesmen and idiots.

    Settle down, everyone. If you've got nothing nice to say then, well, there's always Twitter.

    PB is my Twitter :)
  • PaulMPaulM Posts: 613
    Aside from everything else that's bad about this ad, I think it makes an assumption that there will be outrage at the idea of Northern Ireland being "left to rot", whereas outside some loyalist enclaves of the West of Scotland I would have thought indifference would be the more likely response.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302

    I do not know if he is a Leaver or not, but "I like the ad. It's the authentic face of Brexit. ..."

    http://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/2527091/#Comment_2527091
    He's not a Leaver - irony at work.
  • Byronic said:

    Haven't we already discussed this?

    People love Starship Troopers BECAUSE it is Fascist. Its supposed allegorical status means we are free to like the Fascism, despite the movie being clearly Fascist.

    For a Fascist movie, it is very clever.
    It is a SATIRE of Fascism!
  • Every single leaver on this site has called out the poster/advert.
    But all slathered with a liberal (sic) dollop of whataboutery.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192

    PB is my Twitter :)
    :D:D:D:+1:
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