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He's getting rather cross. I think that will appeal to a lot of people who are angry about Europe.Carola said:Clegg getting better. He's finding his *passion*. Farage started with his and now he's getting a bit knackered.
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I'm not betting on this but if I was I'd rather be a Farage backer0
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Spare a thought for me, I have to write the post debate thread.
I'm guaranteed to upset someone.0 -
Increased student fees arose from the Browne report commissioned by the last Labour government.old_labour said:
No matter what Clegg says or does in this debate, I keep on thinking of his pledge not to increase student fees.
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Maybe Dickson's seen the non existent EU legal advice on which Salmond spent £20,000 trying to keep secret?SouthamObserver said:
Your knowledge of international law is clearly non-existent.Stuart_Dickson said:
The naivety is breathtaking.SouthamObserver said:
I think you'll be surprised! The rUK will not "claim" anything, it will be automatically recognised as the continuing member state.Carnyx said:
However, it should also be remembered that EWNI will also be in negotiations at the same time to reenter the EU, or to adjust to its new, but continuing, place in the EU (on precisely the same logic as Scotland, depending on which side of that part of the indy debate one tends to be). I for one don't believe that the EU will automatically roll over and allow EWNI to claim to be the sole continuing state without at least a poke in the biceps and a hard stare.malcolmg said:
You are obviously a bit dense and misinterpreted my witty riposte to Alan, the Scottish Government are not stupid and will obviously negotiate hard in the country's best interests. As I clearly said if the EU are not reasonable then we can tell them where to stick it. No-one can know in advance what the positions will be but it would not be surprising if they were light on Scotland to tweak London's tail.Anorak said:
"Hopefully we will not get completely rogered"malcolmg said:
Alan, Hopefully we will not get completely rogered, we can always tell them to F off if we do not like it.Alanbrooke said:
malc I agree with that, but what none of the Nats will face up to is the terms of membership will have changed and not to Scotland's benefit. Fisheries, oil, Euro, rebates etc. , that's the price of rejoining.malcolmg said:
Dear Dear Easterross , not that old canard, we will still be in the EU and by the time we have finalised negotiations and departed the union , we will still be in the EU.Easterross said:I wonder how many people would suddenly change their views on EU membership in/out if their employers point out how much of their sales and exports (and therefore jobs) are dependent on Britain's membership of the EU. This problem will become a live issue for thousands of Scots after 19th September if their employers have to begin assessing the effect of Scotland being outside the EU and wanting in.
That's the plan is it? Hope and moonshine? Best of luck with that.0 -
Think he was pointing out BMW 5 series are higher cost and added value than a Nissan, though it did seem clumsily expressed to me.Scott_P said:@paulwaugh
First proper gaffe? Did Farage just blunder by appearing to trash the UK car industry? #LBCdebate
@nicholaswatt
Has @Nigel_Farage just said that EU cars from outside UK are better than those built in UK?0 -
Vorsprung Dutch TechnikScott_P said:@paulwaugh
First proper gaffe? Did Farage just blunder by appearing to trash the UK car industry? #LBCdebate
@nicholaswatt
Has @Nigel_Farage just said that EU cars from outside UK are better than those built in UK?
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The converted are being preached to, and cry out in support of their own side.0
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Doubt this will make much difference to anything, to be honest.
The audience must be tiny and out of those that are watching they'll mostly be converted to the "cause" one way or another.0 -
Human rights act - The equivalent of a Jade Dernbach over for Farage0
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Now Farage trashes British grub - too many mussels in Brussels ? What a cretin...0
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Just say the winner was the person who's name began with "N"TheScreamingEagles said:Spare a thought for me, I have to write the post debate thread.
I'm guaranteed to upset someone.
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he has scored twos and threes. Slightly missed opportunity.0
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This has changed my mind - I wouldn't vote Ukip after this - Farage is a pompous buffoon.0
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Hope you catch the match at 8pm. This is just a curtain raiser.TheScreamingEagles said:Spare a thought for me, I have to write the post debate thread.
I'm guaranteed to upset someone.0 -
You referring to Cleggy?Pulpstar said:
Vorsprung Dutch TechnikScott_P said:@paulwaugh
First proper gaffe? Did Farage just blunder by appearing to trash the UK car industry? #LBCdebate
@nicholaswatt
Has @Nigel_Farage just said that EU cars from outside UK are better than those built in UK?0 -
Is it just me or does Farage look sweatier (not Nixon vs Kennedy sweaty but still).0
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I can multi-task.FrankBooth said:
Hope you catch the match at 8pm. This is just a curtain raiser.TheScreamingEagles said:Spare a thought for me, I have to write the post debate thread.
I'm guaranteed to upset someone.
I once wrote a PB thread from inside a gay bar.0 -
Nigel wouldn't know. I don't think he has ever driven a Nissan.welshowl said:
Think he was pointing out BMW 5 series are higher cost and added value than a Nissan, though it did seem clumsily expressed to me.Scott_P said:@paulwaugh
First proper gaffe? Did Farage just blunder by appearing to trash the UK car industry? #LBCdebate
@nicholaswatt
Has @Nigel_Farage just said that EU cars from outside UK are better than those built in UK?
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Nick doesn't need to win a majority; he just needs to win over some of the pro-european Conservatives and Labour. If his vote goes to 15% for the Euro vote then he is a winner.TheScreamingEagles said:
Spare a thought for me, I have to write the post debate thread.
I'm guaranteed to upset someone.0 -
Advice can be disregarded or modified. Clegg made the promise and welshed on it.foxinsoxuk said:
Increased student fees arose from the Browne report commissioned by the last Labour government.
old_labour said:No matter what Clegg says or does in this debate, I keep on thinking of his pledge not to increase student fees.
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This is like watching a boxing match where Clegg is getting the occasional jab\round on points but its clear who is going to win.0
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Farage weaker on the same sex marriage0
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Is that any less honourable than the Labour party which refused to take a position before the 2010 election?old_labour said:
Advice can be disregarded or modified. Clegg made the promise and welshed on it.
foxinsoxuk said:Increased student fees arose from the Browne report commissioned by the last Labour government.
old_labour said:No matter what Clegg says or does in this debate, I keep on thinking of his pledge not to increase student fees.
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Whatever your opinion of the EU, Clegg is poison to the pro-EU side.0
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Dear oh Dear - I think that was Farage's "there you go again" moment0
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Farage is very marmitey. Not sure he'll win many people over who previously did not think Europe was a hugely important issue.Pulpstar said:This is like watching a boxing match where Clegg is getting the occasional jab\round on points but its clear who is going to win.
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Matthew Goodwin @GoodwinMJ 7m
Farage proving he is no cheap populist and knows his stuff. Wonder what Cameron & Miliband thinking? #lbcdebate0 -
The UK is the second largest luxury car manufacturer in Europe and probably in the world.welshowl said:
Think he was pointing out BMW 5 series are higher cost and added value than a Nissan, though it did seem clumsily expressed to me.Scott_P said:@paulwaugh
First proper gaffe? Did Farage just blunder by appearing to trash the UK car industry? #LBCdebate
@nicholaswatt
Has @Nigel_Farage just said that EU cars from outside UK are better than those built in UK?
RR, Bentley, Jaguar, Land Rover, Aston Martin, Mini ain't cheap.0 -
Has anyone measured the talk time of each ?0
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Finding the "calling the questioner repeatedly by their name" trick a bit patronising and falsefacey now0
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Stick Farage on the air and the guy speaks with more faux sincerity and passion than any of the other leaders. This is the start of the UKIP election campaign - they will be covered extensively in the Euros and will speak with the clear position and simplicity that Cameroon Tories can only dream of.
The recent upswell in the Tory vote and downswell in the UKIP one? Won't last. When UKIP Get coverage their share increases. That means their position strengthens in the run up to the Yerp elections this May then the same for the GE. Which means a corresponding reversion in the Tory vote. Whilst the Labour VI stays at 38. But I'm sure that I'm wrong and Cameron with his track record of sincerity and simple position on Europe will win through on those UKIP defectees.....0 -
Just out of Captain America 2, now on to the Farage-Clegg debate. Not a bad mix of entertainment for the evening. Yes, I'm weird.0
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Sure. I suppose Farage was referring to Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Ford. I'm afraid I'm not up on the facts of the automotive balance of trade overall though.Alanbrooke said:
The UK is the second largest luxury car manufacturer in Europe and probably in the world.welshowl said:
Think he was pointing out BMW 5 series are higher cost and added value than a Nissan, though it did seem clumsily expressed to me.Scott_P said:@paulwaugh
First proper gaffe? Did Farage just blunder by appearing to trash the UK car industry? #LBCdebate
@nicholaswatt
Has @Nigel_Farage just said that EU cars from outside UK are better than those built in UK?
RR, Bentley, Jaguar, Land Rover, Aston Martin, Mini ain't cheap.0 -
Trust is a rare commodity
Line of the night from Clegg. Climate change... 0 -
He is stronger on polygamy.Slackbladder said:Farage weaker on the same sex marriage
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Was it good, going to watch it this weekend.kle4 said:Just out of Captain America 2, now on to the Farage-Clegg debate. Not a bad mix of entertainment for the evening. Yes, I'm weird.
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Breaking News.... As a pro-european Tory.... I'm not voting for UKIP or Lib Dem...
or indeed Tory?
Why?
Vote Mr. Speaker... Bercow land for me...0 -
Ah, okay. So Farage was wrong. It's moving to Turkey.isam said:
No. Ferrari said Turkey, and Farage said PolandJosiasJessop said:Did Farage just say that Ford had moved the Southampton plant to Turkey, and then a few seconds later say it moved to Poland?
These strange countries are all the same, aren't they?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-23432322
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Southampton_plant
These strange countries are all the same, aren't they? ;-)0 -
I've seen it.Slackbladder said:
Was it good, going to watch it this weekend.kle4 said:Just out of Captain America 2, now on to the Farage-Clegg debate. Not a bad mix of entertainment for the evening. Yes, I'm weird.
Very good, slightly different to the other Marvel movies.
Totally has changed the Marvel cinematic universe.
There's two post credits scene, one midway, one right at the end.
Oh and there's lot of Scarlett Johansson0 -
I can't see this affecting the Labour or LD vote shares very much.RochdalePioneers said:Stick Farage on the air and the guy speaks with more faux sincerity and passion than any of the other leaders. This is the start of the UKIP election campaign - they will be covered extensively in the Euros and will speak with the clear position and simplicity that Cameroon Tories can only dream of.
The recent upswell in the Tory vote and downswell in the UKIP one? Won't last. When UKIP Get coverage their share increases. That means their position strengthens in the run up to the Yerp elections this May then the same for the GE. Which means a corresponding reversion in the Tory vote. Whilst the Labour VI stays at 38. But I'm sure that I'm wrong and Cameron with his track record of sincerity and simple position on Europe will win through on those UKIP defectees.....
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Rob Ford (England) @robfordmancs 41s
Not good for Farage when he's forced to discuss paying his wife EU money. Looks like just another greedy politician.0 -
Cleggs come back into this slightly but F garage has won0
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Farage comes out for Putin - bizarre when there was no need to.0
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A minor error that doesn't matter here or there Id sayJosiasJessop said:
Ah, okay. So Farage was wrong. It's moving to Turkey.isam said:
No. Ferrari said Turkey, and Farage said PolandJosiasJessop said:Did Farage just say that Ford had moved the Southampton plant to Turkey, and then a few seconds later say it moved to Poland?
These strange countries are all the same, aren't they?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-23432322
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Southampton_plant
These strange countries are all the same, aren't they? ;-)0 -
Android iPhone spell autochecker !0
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Spare a thought for the staffers hunched over laptops trying churn out instant memes almost before the sentence is finished.0
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http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/mar/26/advert-scottish-media-banned-glasgow-political
O/T (sorry Watcher et al) but a very amusing story with some serious wider implications for what happens if the mainstream media is not telling the full story.0 -
Final verdict:
A NO SCORE BORE DRAW0 -
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Dan Hodges calls it an easy win for Clegg.0
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They knew what they were getting into, I have no sympathy for such minions.corporeal said:Spare a thought for the staffers hunched over laptops trying churn out instant memes almost before the sentence is finished.
I believe Avery's analysis would have been the preferred narrative no matter what (I only saw 20 minutes so cannot speak for the whole thing as to whether it would be accurate), but of course it depends how one judges it. Of course a debate on the EU is boring, of course few people will have watched it and of course there will be no consensus as to who 'won'. But those are unchangable facts, and judging it for what it was and what those involved hoped to achieve? People are talking about it. Positive or negative, that is all any of them wanted as a minimum.
And I've seen far more boring political debates. The small bit I saw was interesting enough for what it was.
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Full of Sound and Fury, signifying nothing0
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Exactly. Nor did the budget. Or indeed much else. The variance in the lead has pretty much all been Tories and Ukip swapping a few swingers. But strengthen the kipper score and you weaken the Tories score.SouthamObserver said:
I can't see this affecting the Labour or LD vote shares very much.RochdalePioneers said:Stick Farage on the air and the guy speaks with more faux sincerity and passion than any of the other leaders. This is the start of the UKIP election campaign - they will be covered extensively in the Euros and will speak with the clear position and simplicity that Cameroon Tories can only dream of.
The recent upswell in the Tory vote and downswell in the UKIP one? Won't last. When UKIP Get coverage their share increases. That means their position strengthens in the run up to the Yerp elections this May then the same for the GE. Which means a corresponding reversion in the Tory vote. Whilst the Labour VI stays at 38. But I'm sure that I'm wrong and Cameron with his track record of sincerity and simple position on Europe will win through on those UKIP defectees.....
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Captain America 2 is the usual Marvel rubbish. Very entertaining rubbish though. ;-)Slackbladder said:
Was it good, going to watch it this weekend.kle4 said:Just out of Captain America 2, now on to the Farage-Clegg debate. Not a bad mix of entertainment for the evening. Yes, I'm weird.
The Big Boss is obvious the moment (s)he appears, and the nemesis is also obvious far too early. It plays to the genre, but does it very well.
As an aside, I'm going to start a company that advises large futuristic corps and evil organisations on designing space- and air- craft. For instance, putting central computer consoles at the end of long gangways with long drops below always ends in disaster, especially when the gangways only have puny handrails. Such craft having large voids with glass floors below is also a no-no.
I'll make a fortune.0 -
Clegg just blew his argument. His motivation now seems to be distinguishing himself from the other mainstream politicians. Daft!0
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Farage 5 lengths in front at the turn. Clegg closing Garage by half a length.0
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Well chaired I think.0
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Love that people think it's worthwhile cherry picking tweets that reinforce their own view as if it proves something.0
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Nothing can stop the Lab maj nailed on ?RochdalePioneers said:
Exactly. Nor did the budget. Or indeed much else. The variance in the lead has pretty much all been Tories and Ukip swapping a few swingers. But strengthen the kipper score and you weaken the Tories score.SouthamObserver said:
I can't see this affecting the Labour or LD vote shares very much.RochdalePioneers said:Stick Farage on the air and the guy speaks with more faux sincerity and passion than any of the other leaders. This is the start of the UKIP election campaign - they will be covered extensively in the Euros and will speak with the clear position and simplicity that Cameroon Tories can only dream of.
The recent upswell in the Tory vote and downswell in the UKIP one? Won't last. When UKIP Get coverage their share increases. That means their position strengthens in the run up to the Yerp elections this May then the same for the GE. Which means a corresponding reversion in the Tory vote. Whilst the Labour VI stays at 38. But I'm sure that I'm wrong and Cameron with his track record of sincerity and simple position on Europe will win through on those UKIP defectees.....0 -
Well I enjoyed that. I'd be slightly worried if I was Dave.0
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It does matter for his argument: Turkey is outside the EU, but has a FTA with the EFTA. Does this mean that Farage would leave EFTA as well as the EU?isam said:
A minor error that doesn't matter here or there Id sayJosiasJessop said:
Ah, okay. So Farage was wrong. It's moving to Turkey.isam said:
No. Ferrari said Turkey, and Farage said PolandJosiasJessop said:Did Farage just say that Ford had moved the Southampton plant to Turkey, and then a few seconds later say it moved to Poland?
These strange countries are all the same, aren't they?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-23432322
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Southampton_plant
These strange countries are all the same, aren't they? ;-)0 -
Leave it xJosiasJessop said:
It does matter for his argument: Turkey is outside the EU, but has a FTA with the EFTA. Does this mean that Farage would leave EFTA as well as the EU?isam said:
A minor error that doesn't matter here or there Id sayJosiasJessop said:
Ah, okay. So Farage was wrong. It's moving to Turkey.isam said:
No. Ferrari said Turkey, and Farage said PolandJosiasJessop said:Did Farage just say that Ford had moved the Southampton plant to Turkey, and then a few seconds later say it moved to Poland?
These strange countries are all the same, aren't they?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-23432322
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Southampton_plant
These strange countries are all the same, aren't they? ;-)0 -
What's the verdict of the worm ?0
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I enjoyed that surprisingly a lot. The format was better than the sterile way the 2010 debates were held.0
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Seriously, what the eff was Farage's answer about Ukraine all about?0
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A good debate that Nigel won by a canter.
Cammo and Millipede 2nd class, must be gnashing their tootipegs in frustration that they were not present.
The debate though, will be a boon to both Ukip and the L/dems.0 -
Peter Bone looks scarily like the Demon Headmaster.0
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The Guardian conclusion is that Farage won on points. Now for the YouGov poll.0
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Putin man love was a bit weird. As was slagging off British food and cars.TheScreamingEagles said:Seriously, what the eff was Farage's answer about Ukraine all about?
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In order to get away from the four freedoms including freedom of movement, Britain would have to leave EFTA and EEA.
Farage is like Salmond, he doesnt care about collateral damage and has no plans for much afterwards, as long as he gets out of the Union.JosiasJessop said:
It does matter for his argument: Turkey is outside the EU, but has a FTA with the EFTA. Does this mean that Farage would leave EFTA as well as the EU?isam said:
A minor error that doesn't matter here or there Id sayJosiasJessop said:
Ah, okay. So Farage was wrong. It's moving to Turkey.isam said:
No. Ferrari said Turkey, and Farage said PolandJosiasJessop said:Did Farage just say that Ford had moved the Southampton plant to Turkey, and then a few seconds later say it moved to Poland?
These strange countries are all the same, aren't they?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-23432322
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Southampton_plant
These strange countries are all the same, aren't they? ;-)0 -
I'd agree. It's hardly a smart movie, but I dislike things being labelled as rubbish as a result (even fun rubbish), and like the first Captain America it's tone and style feels distinct from the others, and yet as it is not a WW2 movie, it is also distinct in tone from the first. I like movies that have no pretensions and are designed to be fun without going for crazily dumb fun territory.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've seen it.Slackbladder said:
Was it good, going to watch it this weekend.kle4 said:Just out of Captain America 2, now on to the Farage-Clegg debate. Not a bad mix of entertainment for the evening. Yes, I'm weird.
Very good, slightly different to the other Marvel movies.
Totally has changed the Marvel cinematic universe.
There's two post credits scene, one midway, one right at the end.
Oh and there's lot of Scarlett Johansson
Some good character work for new or underdeveloped characters, and agreed, has a major impact on the cinematic movie universe (about something which needed addressing, but does make me wonder what they'll do to follow it up). Johansson is actually good for once.
Didn't know about the second post credits scene. You just love to catch us out, huh, Marvel?0 -
Sky News indicate the LBC worm edged it to Farage by a whisker.0
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I'm supposed to be doing a YouGov post debate survey..... but the site's just crashed.0
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Correct but should never have been stated.TheScreamingEagles said:Seriously, what the eff was Farage's answer about Ukraine all about?
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God knows how the public will measure that. Probably through the media I should think since most won't have seen it. And those that did already had a position.
I think Clegg messed up when he said "read the small print" though. Ouch. That'll get thrown back at him again.
Lot of wrangling about figures. Could do with the ONS for Europe. Not that anyone would trust it.0 -
Guardian verdict: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/mar/26/nigel-farage-vs-nick-clegg-the-debate-for-europe-live#block-533332c9e4b07edc52cb9743http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/mar/26/nigel-farage-vs-nick-clegg-the-debate-for-europe-live#block-533332c9e4b07edc52cb9743Pulpstar said:What's the verdict of the worm ?
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nope, it's a general observation. Some are more Looney than others in their bias, yes MikeK I'm looking at you, but we all do it to some extent.isam said:
obv aimed at me..saddened said:Love that people think it's worthwhile cherry picking tweets that reinforce their own view as if it proves something.
I thought it would be better to quote an independent source rather than say it myself as I am so obviously biased, that's all
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Farage and Clegg in their different ways were both going for the Labour vote. Both were effective. EdM should be very worried.SouthamObserver said:Well I enjoyed that. I'd be slightly worried if I was Dave.
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Danny Alexander: Nick Clegg clear winner of the debate.0
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Good evening, everyone.
In the end I didn't watch it (partly due to Futurama, but I also came up with a short story idea). The fact they were using a worm greatly depresses me.0 -
Jon Ashwarth falling flat on Sky News afterwards, only wanted to rabbit on about cost of living. The worst of Leicesters MPs, and that includes Vaz.
I see that all the senior LDs are there to back Clegg.0 -
Farage won. Not by much. But he did win0
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I like Nick Ferrari. Used to listen to Five Live in the mornings. But got pissed off with them covering women's football and the like, just to be inclusive. Made me feel like I was being socially engineered. Ferrari, and many on LBC, are noticeably to the right of the BBC, but in a matter of fact, common sense way. Very refreshing.0
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Andrew Mitchell: score draw.0
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Danny Alexander better in 2 minutes than Clegg in an hour.0
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Sky News - YouGov Poll 1003 sample 57/36 win for Farage0
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YouGov calling it for Farage.0
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YouGov:
Farage 57%
Clegg 36%
DK 7%0 -
YouGov:
Tory supporters:
Farage 70%
Clegg 20%
Labour supporters:
Clegg 51%
Farage 42%
UKIP supporters:
Farage 93%
LD supporters:
Clegg 77%
Farage 20%0
