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Away from the hubbub in Westminster, there is the upcoming Wainbody ward by-election which is the southernmost ward in Coventry where I grew up and has historically been a very safe ward for the Conservatives. It is relatively affluent and firmly middle class, my estimate for the leave vote there would probably be 55-60 even though we have no definitive figures. Due to the passing of Gary Crookes, a well-liked councillor who has served for many years a by-election is scheduled for the 5th September.
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Tim Walker on Twitter suggesting PM was drunk, which from the cut of him is a pretty plausible theory.0
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Not much going on. Any chance of an AV Thread?0
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Who?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Tim Walker on Twitter suggesting PM was drunk, which from the cut of him is a pretty plausible theory.
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There’s been one ready for publication since last Thursday but events dear boy.DougSeal said:Not much going on. Any chance of an AV Thread?
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RobD said:
Who?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Tim Walker on Twitter suggesting PM was drunk, which from the cut of him is a pretty plausible theory.
Journo.RobD said:
Who?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Tim Walker on Twitter suggesting PM was drunk, which from the cut of him is a pretty plausible theory.
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I heard he was high on crack , had a dead goat in his car boot and was on his way to meet KGB agents.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Tim Walker on Twitter suggesting PM was drunk, which from the cut of him is a pretty plausible theory.
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WHY AREN’T THOSE POLICE CADETS OUT ON THE STREET FIGHTING CRIME?!0
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Ah, for the New European. I think i'll file that under the potentially libelous category.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:RobD said:
Who?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Tim Walker on Twitter suggesting PM was drunk, which from the cut of him is a pretty plausible theory.
Journo.RobD said:
Who?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Tim Walker on Twitter suggesting PM was drunk, which from the cut of him is a pretty plausible theory.
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who for The West Yorkshire Pigeon Fancier ?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:RobD said:
Who?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Tim Walker on Twitter suggesting PM was drunk, which from the cut of him is a pretty plausible theory.
Journo.RobD said:
Who?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Tim Walker on Twitter suggesting PM was drunk, which from the cut of him is a pretty plausible theory.
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He’s a former Telegraph journo and knew Boris Johnson quite well.RobD said:
Ah, for the New European. I think i'll file that under the potentially libelous category.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:RobD said:
Who?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Tim Walker on Twitter suggesting PM was drunk, which from the cut of him is a pretty plausible theory.
Journo.RobD said:
Who?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Tim Walker on Twitter suggesting PM was drunk, which from the cut of him is a pretty plausible theory.
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Speaking of which, the Beeb have got Dr. David Nicholl on, offering JRM a dust up.RobD said:
Ah, for the New European. I think i'll file that under the potentially libelous category.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:RobD said:
Who?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Tim Walker on Twitter suggesting PM was drunk, which from the cut of him is a pretty plausible theory.
Journo.RobD said:
Who?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Tim Walker on Twitter suggesting PM was drunk, which from the cut of him is a pretty plausible theory.
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I'm sure I saw Mahoney in the back rowisam said:WHY AREN’T THOSE POLICE CADETS OUT ON THE STREET FIGHTING CRIME?!
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Danny Shaw
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UPDATE: West Yorkshire Police & Crime Commissioner Mark Burns-Williamson (Labour) tells me Boris Johnson has "abused" the police force's position & says the officers should not have been used in this way, for a "political speech about Brexit".0 -
Can anyone remind me why BoZo is regarded as a campaigning virtuoso?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Tim Walker on Twitter suggesting PM was drunk, which from the cut of him is a pretty plausible theory.
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right and that's a surprise to you ?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Danny Shaw
@DannyShawBBC
UPDATE: West Yorkshire Police & Crime Commissioner Mark Burns-Williamson (Labour) tells me Boris Johnson has "abused" the police force's position & says the officers should not have been used in this way, for a "political speech about Brexit".0 -
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Anyone surprised by this?
"Facebook data breach: details of 18m Britons leaked online"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/facebook-data-for-18m-britons-leaked-online-j6tv86l0m0 -
Very, very odd day.
Almost feels like politics on LSD.0 -
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Ridiculous. Plenty of speeches get made in the presence of nurses etc, or in front of the army in Afghanistan or etc etcCarlottaVance said:1 -
Who cares less what a biased Labour PCC saysAramintaMoonbeamQC said:Danny Shaw
@DannyShawBBC
UPDATE: West Yorkshire Police & Crime Commissioner Mark Burns-Williamson (Labour) tells me Boris Johnson has "abused" the police force's position & says the officers should not have been used in this way, for a "political speech about Brexit".0 -
Did you see who replied to that tweet?Scott_P said:0 -
Not really. shame it wasnt Twitter.AndyJS said:O/T
Anyone surprised by this?
"Facebook data breach: details of 18m Britons leaked online"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/facebook-data-for-18m-britons-leaked-online-j6tv86l0m0 -
With the LDs often surprising on the upside in local by-elections no harm in predicting a LD win in this one.
In national matter, even with all the ridiculousness of this year it feels like the government is having an unprecedented nervous breakdown. If Boris can spring both an election and an election win from all this, it is an incredible amount of misdirection to appear so weak right now.0 -
From Guido
Tim Walker – The waspish former diary columnist delights in dishing out snark, but thin-skinned Tim can’t take it when his conspiratorial babble is called out. The former Telegraph man turned freelancer and New European contributor reckons “Putin will continue to govern this country through stupid, weak, vain, greedy politicians so long as we, the people, are prepared to sit back and let him”0 -
The press scent blood. They are going to go too far like with Browns handwriting. They always do.0
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He did well to win London 7 years ago. He is often genuinely funny. That's it.Foxy said:
Can anyone remind me why BoZo is regarded as a campaigning virtuoso?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Tim Walker on Twitter suggesting PM was drunk, which from the cut of him is a pretty plausible theory.
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And if the PM had limited himself to talking about Policing it might have been fine - but launching into a party political rant on Brexitis not.dyedwoolie said:
Ridiculous. Plenty of speeches get made in the presence of nurses etc, or in front of the army in Afghanistan or etc etcCarlottaVance said:0 -
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The outrage over this is pretty obviously a partisan level one. A Conservative would defend it, and a Labour person condemn it, and if Corbyn were to give a speech in front of police officers Labour would defend it and a Conservative person condemn it.CarlottaVance said:0 -
You insist we listen to what you, as a biased Tory member, think and, by virtue of a being a PCC, he has at least won an election.HYUFD said:
Who cares less what a biased Labour PCC saysAramintaMoonbeamQC said:Danny Shaw
@DannyShawBBC
UPDATE: West Yorkshire Police & Crime Commissioner Mark Burns-Williamson (Labour) tells me Boris Johnson has "abused" the police force's position & says the officers should not have been used in this way, for a "political speech about Brexit".0 -
Another Etonian down. That's two in one day.Scott_P said:0 -
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Meh, I'm a Tory and I condemn it. Photoshoots with a couple of officers, fine... but having them all lined up behind you while you drone on about something unrelated to policing? There's something decidedly un-British about that.kle4 said:
The outrage over this is pretty obviously a partisan level one. A Conservative would defend it, and a Labour person condemn it, and if Corbyn were to give a speech in front of police officers Labour would defend it and a Conservative person condemn it.CarlottaVance said:0 -
This drip-drip of resignations could be really bad for Johnson.0
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Only if they criticize him otherwise they are just retirements from politicsWhisperingOracle said:This drip-drip of resignations could be really bad for Johnson.
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Thanks for this, Mr. Blundell. You aren't related to the F1 chap, are you?
For those wondering, I am not the person in Morley who heckled the PM.0 -
If the options are Johnson (metaphorically) dying in a ditch or saving him by having an election on a date of his choice, which should Labour choose? Hmmmm.0
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The problem with twitter, and PB really, is that too many people are trying to be the first to mention a significant story, so everything is sensationalised all day every day2
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It’s not Prime Ministerial.RobD said:.
Meh, I'm a Tory and I condemn it. Photoshoots with a couple of officers, fine... but having them all lined up behind you while you drone on about something unrelated to policing? There's something decidedly un-British about that.kle4 said:
The outrage over this is pretty obviously a partisan level one. A Conservative would defend it, and a Labour person condemn it, and if Corbyn were to give a speech in front of police officers Labour would defend it and a Conservative person condemn it.CarlottaVance said:0 -
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HYUFD said:
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You have already gone from the Tory Party, your choice but the party itself is now fully behind Brexit Deal or No Deal and with Boris in the war with the diehard Remainers and Corbyn
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I am saddened HYUFD that you have transformed from a sensible conservative with an obsession with polls to a deluded disciple of a cult that is trashing everything you once stood for
I am a one nation conservative, not a Farage tribute act, and support the 100 conservatives/or sacked conservatives who I hope rebel in a block and create their own movement, and by the way, see the end to this disastrous brexit earthquake and engineer either a soft brexit or even remain
I am bitterly upset at what is happening but inthe end decency will prevail as we start to slowly heal the wounds both in the UK and the EU and restore international friendships and our reputation.
I no longer want to be associated with those who would create division and hatred against so many here and abroad
And I even accept that could be under Corbyn, but if it is, Boris, the ERG and yourself are all responsible for the economic armagedon that would follow him in office2 -
That's hard to take seriously, I'm afraid. He's had so many standing-downs or explusions bunched with criticism now that it will just all look part of the same process.dyedwoolie said:
Only if they criticize him otherwise they are just retirements from politicsWhisperingOracle said:This drip-drip of resignations could be really bad for Johnson.
What really interests me is how he can possibly stick to this pledge not to seek an extension.0 -
I can see a situation where Corbyn takes Boris record as shortest serving PMSouthamObserver said:If the options are Johnson (metaphorically) dying in a ditch or saving him by having an election on a date of his choice, which should Labour choose? Hmmmm.
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Let the piece of shit die in a ditch. Good riddance to turdish rubbish...SouthamObserver said:If the options are Johnson (metaphorically) dying in a ditch or saving him by having an election on a date of his choice, which should Labour choose? Hmmmm.
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Interesting: a Brexit Party candidate standing in the council by-election. Wonder if they'll do as well as they did in Gloucester.0
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If you refuse to respect the Brexit vote and Leave Deal or No Deal then sadly BigG you are now a LD, not a conservativeBig_G_NorthWales said:FPT
HYUFD said:
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You have already gone from the Tory Party, your choice but the party itself is now fully behind Brexit Deal or No Deal and with Boris in the war with the diehard Remainers and Corbyn
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I am saddened HYUFD that you have transformed from a sensible conservative with an obsession with polls to a deluded disciple of a cult that is trashing everything you once stood for
I am a one nation conservative, not a Farage tribute act, and support the 100 conservatives/or sacked conservatives who I hope rebel in a block and create their own movement, and by the way, see the end to this disastrous brexit earthquake and engineer either a soft brexit or even remain
I am bitterly upset at what is happening but inthe end decency will prevail as we start to slowly heal the wounds both in the UK and the EU and restore international friendships and our reputation.
I no longer want to be associated with those who would create division and hatred against so many here and abroad
And I even accept that could be under Corbyn, but if it is, Boris, the ERG and yourself are all responsible for the economic armagedon that would follow him in office0 -
Resign and leave Corbyn to do itWhisperingOracle said:
That's hard to take seriously, I'm afraid. He's had so many standing-downs or explusions bunched with criticism now that it will just all look part of the same process.dyedwoolie said:
Only if they criticize him otherwise they are just retirements from politicsWhisperingOracle said:This drip-drip of resignations could be really bad for Johnson.
What really interests me is how he can possibly stick to this pledge not to seek an extension.0 -
Charming, as ever.murali_s said:
Let the piece of shit die in a ditch. Good riddance to turdish rubbish...SouthamObserver said:If the options are Johnson (metaphorically) dying in a ditch or saving him by having an election on a date of his choice, which should Labour choose? Hmmmm.
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Let's not forget Boris at PMQ yesterday saying "Let's take the £1bn a month we send to Brussels and spend it on the police." That is a Cummings wheeze: the GE campaign is to be the referendum campaign redux, but we can't say NHS again because that would be too obvious. And having Bozo give a speech in front of A FUCKLOAD OF COPPERS THE VERY NEXT DAY is part of the same wheeze because Cummings ain't clever, he is just aggressive and focused in his stupidity.0
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Nope, it is good news for Boris, purging the party of the diehard Remainers and those unwilling to take on the diehard Remainers and Corbyn and fight for Brexit Deal or No Deal.WhisperingOracle said:This drip-drip of resignations could be really bad for Johnson.
Boris must have all his MPs united behind him as battle is now joined0 -
So there will be no more resignations?HYUFD said:
If you refuse to respect the Brexit vote and Leave Deal or No Deal then sadly BigG you are now a LD, not a conservativeBig_G_NorthWales said:FPT
HYUFD said:
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You have already gone from the Tory Party, your choice but the party itself is now fully behind Brexit Deal or No Deal and with Boris in the war with the diehard Remainers and Corbyn
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I am saddened HYUFD that you have transformed from a sensible conservative with an obsession with polls to a deluded disciple of a cult that is trashing everything you once stood for
I am a one nation conservative, not a Farage tribute act, and support the 100 conservatives/or sacked conservatives who I hope rebel in a block and create their own movement, and by the way, see the end to this disastrous brexit earthquake and engineer either a soft brexit or even remain
I am bitterly upset at what is happening but inthe end decency will prevail as we start to slowly heal the wounds both in the UK and the EU and restore international friendships and our reputation.
I no longer want to be associated with those who would create division and hatred against so many here and abroad
And I even accept that could be under Corbyn, but if it is, Boris, the ERG and yourself are all responsible for the economic armagedon that would follow him in office0 -
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Ignoring the sinister police state overtones, why was Boris doing the BJ scene from Police Academy?1
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Yes agreed. The vast majority, probably 95% of voters get some of this, once on the news, and it passes on, over time it might drip into consciousness and VI. How many people will register that Nick Hurd is stepping down?isam said:The problem with twitter, and PB really, is that too many people are trying to be the first to mention a significant story, so everything is sensationalised all day every day
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At least that might have the sound of pretty colours......WhisperingOracle said:Very, very odd day.
Almost feels like politics on LSD.0 -
Don't you think the lying scumbag deserves it?RobD said:
Charming, as ever.murali_s said:
Let the piece of shit die in a ditch. Good riddance to turdish rubbish...SouthamObserver said:If the options are Johnson (metaphorically) dying in a ditch or saving him by having an election on a date of his choice, which should Labour choose? Hmmmm.
Being a halfwit as ever Robbie....0 -
You know that makes no sense. A LD, under current policy, would not have accepted leaving under any circumstances, the fact Stephen Lloyd resigned the whip for that reason demonstrates that.HYUFD said:
If you refuse to respect the Brexit vote and Leave Deal or No Deal then sadly BigG you are now a LD, not a conservativeBig_G_NorthWales said:FPT
HYUFD said:
» show previous quotes
You have already gone from the Tory Party, your choice but the party itself is now fully behind Brexit Deal or No Deal and with Boris in the war with the diehard Remainers and Corbyn
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I am saddened HYUFD that you have transformed from a sensible conservative with an obsession with polls to a deluded disciple of a cult that is trashing everything you once stood for
I am a one nation conservative, not a Farage tribute act, and support the 100 conservatives/or sacked conservatives who I hope rebel in a block and create their own movement, and by the way, see the end to this disastrous brexit earthquake and engineer either a soft brexit or even remain
I am bitterly upset at what is happening but inthe end decency will prevail as we start to slowly heal the wounds both in the UK and the EU and restore international friendships and our reputation.
I no longer want to be associated with those who would create division and hatred against so many here and abroad
And I even accept that could be under Corbyn, but if it is, Boris, the ERG and yourself are all responsible for the economic armagedon that would follow him in office
And you can certainly comment on who is a Conservative, but not who is a conservative. Conservatism is not a registered trademark of the Conservative and Unionist Party, as indeed conservative parties in the world with Liberal in their name could tell you.0 -
You are not the conservative. I am with Ken Clarke, Rory Stewart and it looks possibly Amber Rudd all of whom voted for the WDA you once were in favour ofHYUFD said:
If you refuse to respect the Brexit vote and Leave Deal or No Deal then sadly BigG you are now a LD, not a conservativeBig_G_NorthWales said:FPT
HYUFD said:
» show previous quotes
You have already gone from the Tory Party, your choice but the party itself is now fully behind Brexit Deal or No Deal and with Boris in the war with the diehard Remainers and Corbyn
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I am saddened HYUFD that you have transformed from a sensible conservative with an obsession with polls to a deluded disciple of a cult that is trashing everything you once stood for
I am a one nation conservative, not a Farage tribute act, and support the 100 conservatives/or sacked conservatives who I hope rebel in a block and create their own movement, and by the way, see the end to this disastrous brexit earthquake and engineer either a soft brexit or even remain
I am bitterly upset at what is happening but inthe end decency will prevail as we start to slowly heal the wounds both in the UK and the EU and restore international friendships and our reputation.
I no longer want to be associated with those who would create division and hatred against so many here and abroad
And I even accept that could be under Corbyn, but if it is, Boris, the ERG and yourself are all responsible for the economic armagedon that would follow him in office0 -
I think BJ is a bit shell shocked by events0
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That's not the point. I just think calling one's political opponent a "piece of shit" is not healthy in a democracy.murali_s said:
Don't you think the lying scumbag deserves it?RobD said:
Charming, as ever.murali_s said:
Let the piece of shit die in a ditch. Good riddance to turdish rubbish...SouthamObserver said:If the options are Johnson (metaphorically) dying in a ditch or saving him by having an election on a date of his choice, which should Labour choose? Hmmmm.
Being a halfwit as ever Robbie....0 -
Looped by his own OODA.dyedwoolie said:I think BJ is a bit shell shocked by events
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I dislike Boris and have resigned over his actions.murali_s said:
Let the piece of shit die in a ditch. Good riddance to turdish rubbish...SouthamObserver said:If the options are Johnson (metaphorically) dying in a ditch or saving him by having an election on a date of his choice, which should Labour choose? Hmmmm.
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Outliers in all things. Cannot say I like it either, but the level of outrage seems attached to people's dislike of Boris, it is all out of proportion.RobD said:.
Meh, I'm a Tory and I condemn it. Photoshoots with a couple of officers, fine... but having them all lined up behind you while you drone on about something unrelated to policing? There's something decidedly un-British about that.kle4 said:
The outrage over this is pretty obviously a partisan level one. A Conservative would defend it, and a Labour person condemn it, and if Corbyn were to give a speech in front of police officers Labour would defend it and a Conservative person condemn it.CarlottaVance said:0 -
HYUFD you are an obsessive and everything that is unattractive and wrong with modern politics.HYUFD said:
If you refuse to respect the Brexit vote and Leave Deal or No Deal then sadly BigG you are now a LD, not a conservativeBig_G_NorthWales said:FPT
HYUFD said:
» show previous quotes
You have already gone from the Tory Party, your choice but the party itself is now fully behind Brexit Deal or No Deal and with Boris in the war with the diehard Remainers and Corbyn
........................................................................................
I am saddened HYUFD that you have transformed from a sensible conservative with an obsession with polls to a deluded disciple of a cult that is trashing everything you once stood for
I am a one nation conservative, not a Farage tribute act, and support the 100 conservatives/or sacked conservatives who I hope rebel in a block and create their own movement, and by the way, see the end to this disastrous brexit earthquake and engineer either a soft brexit or even remain
I am bitterly upset at what is happening but inthe end decency will prevail as we start to slowly heal the wounds both in the UK and the EU and restore international friendships and our reputation.
I no longer want to be associated with those who would create division and hatred against so many here and abroad
And I even accept that could be under Corbyn, but if it is, Boris, the ERG and yourself are all responsible for the economic armagedon that would follow him in office
We as a Tory party need voters like Big_G and others. Hopefully by end of October Brexit can be behind us and there would be 4.5 years more where we would agree on more than just Brexit.0 -
"...he which hath no stomach to this fight,HYUFD said:
Nope, it is good news for Boris, purging the party of the diehard Remainers and those unwilling to take on the diehard Remainers and Corbyn and fight for Brexit Deal or No Deal.WhisperingOracle said:This drip-drip of resignations could be really bad for Johnson.
Boris must have all his MPs united behind him as battle is now joined
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Always moaning you are.isam said:The problem with twitter, and PB really, is that too many people are trying to be the first to mention a significant story, so everything is sensationalised all day every day
Hope the 'Australian points system' cheers you up a bit when it comes in.1 -
If Rory , May , Rudd and Hammond were leading the Con party they would poll sub 20%Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are not the conservative. I am with Ken Clarke, Rory Stewart and it looks possibly Amber Rudd all of whom voted for the WDA you once were in favour ofHYUFD said:
If you refuse to respect the Brexit vote and Leave Deal or No Deal then sadly BigG you are now a LD, not a conservativeBig_G_NorthWales said:FPT
HYUFD said:
» show previous quotes
You have already gone from the Tory Party, your choice but the party itself is now fully behind Brexit Deal or No Deal and with Boris in the war with the diehard Remainers and Corbyn
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I am saddened HYUFD that you have transformed from a sensible conservative with an obsession with polls to a deluded disciple of a cult that is trashing everything you once stood for
I am a one nation conservative, not a Farage tribute act, and support the 100 conservatives/or sacked conservatives who I hope rebel in a block and create their own movement, and by the way, see the end to this disastrous brexit earthquake and engineer either a soft brexit or even remain
I am bitterly upset at what is happening but inthe end decency will prevail as we start to slowly heal the wounds both in the UK and the EU and restore international friendships and our reputation.
I no longer want to be associated with those who would create division and hatred against so many here and abroad
And I even accept that could be under Corbyn, but if it is, Boris, the ERG and yourself are all responsible for the economic armagedon that would follow him in office0 -
FFS why declare on 497/8 ?
I mean its a good target but get 1 more boundary and declare FFS.
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Hey, it could have been worse.dyedwoolie said:
Ridiculous. Plenty of speeches get made in the presence of nurses etc, or in front of the army in Afghanistan or etc etcCarlottaVance said:
He could have been standing under a giant banner reading "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"......0 -
You're probably just saying that because you're a diehard rema....oh wait. Crap.Philip_Thompson said:
HYUFD you are an obsessive and everything that is unattractive and wrong with modern politics.HYUFD said:
If you refuse to respect the Brexit vote and Leave Deal or No Deal then sadly BigG you are now a LD, not a conservativeBig_G_NorthWales said:FPT
HYUFD said:
» show previous quotes
You have already gone from the Tory Party, your choice but the party itself is now fully behind Brexit Deal or No Deal and with Boris in the war with the diehard Remainers and Corbyn
........................................................................................
I am saddened HYUFD that you have transformed from a sensible conservative with an obsession with polls to a deluded disciple of a cult that is trashing everything you once stood for
I am a one nation conservative, not a Farage tribute act, and support the 100 conservatives/or sacked conservatives who I hope rebel in a block and create their own movement, and by the way, see the end to this disastrous brexit earthquake and engineer either a soft brexit or even remain
I am bitterly upset at what is happening but inthe end decency will prevail as we start to slowly heal the wounds both in the UK and the EU and restore international friendships and our reputation.
I no longer want to be associated with those who would create division and hatred against so many here and abroad
And I even accept that could be under Corbyn, but if it is, Boris, the ERG and yourself are all responsible for the economic armagedon that would follow him in office
We as a Tory party need voters like Big_G and others. Hopefully by end of October Brexit can be behind us and there would be 4.5 years more where we would agree on more than just Brexit.1 -
Not now after the disaster that is BorisTGOHF said:
If Rory , May , Rudd and Hammond were leading the Con party they would poll sub 20%Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are not the conservative. I am with Ken Clarke, Rory Stewart and it looks possibly Amber Rudd all of whom voted for the WDA you once were in favour ofHYUFD said:
If you refuse to respect the Brexit vote and Leave Deal or No Deal then sadly BigG you are now a LD, not a conservativeBig_G_NorthWales said:FPT
HYUFD said:
» show previous quotes
You have already gone from the Tory Party, your choice but the party itself is now fully behind Brexit Deal or No Deal and with Boris in the war with the diehard Remainers and Corbyn
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I am saddened HYUFD that you have transformed from a sensible conservative with an obsession with polls to a deluded disciple of a cult that is trashing everything you once stood for
I am a one nation conservative, not a Farage tribute act, and support the 100 conservatives/or sacked conservatives who I hope rebel in a block and create their own movement, and by the way, see the end to this disastrous brexit earthquake and engineer either a soft brexit or even remain
I am bitterly upset at what is happening but inthe end decency will prevail as we start to slowly heal the wounds both in the UK and the EU and restore international friendships and our reputation.
I no longer want to be associated with those who would create division and hatred against so many here and abroad
And I even accept that could be under Corbyn, but if it is, Boris, the ERG and yourself are all responsible for the economic armagedon that would follow him in office0 -
There is a weird kind of piling on going on this week, it's very bizarre. I think it will go too far at some point and a sympathy response kick in. It's a feeding frenzy right now which is unseemly in a time of crisiskle4 said:
Outliers in all things. Cannot say I like it either, but the level of outrage seems attached to people's dislike of Boris, it is all out of proportion.RobD said:.
Meh, I'm a Tory and I condemn it. Photoshoots with a couple of officers, fine... but having them all lined up behind you while you drone on about something unrelated to policing? There's something decidedly un-British about that.kle4 said:
The outrage over this is pretty obviously a partisan level one. A Conservative would defend it, and a Labour person condemn it, and if Corbyn were to give a speech in front of police officers Labour would defend it and a Conservative person condemn it.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Interesting that 5Live said that their text response to the BoZo speech was pretty negative.0
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HYUFD has his armour and battle head-dress ready. Aux armes gilets jaunes !HYUFD said:
Nope, it is good news for Boris, purging the party of the diehard Remainers and those unwilling to take on the diehard Remainers and Corbyn and fight for Brexit Deal or No Deal.WhisperingOracle said:This drip-drip of resignations could be really bad for Johnson.
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Brigg and Goole? What a great constituency name!HYUFD said:
He's probably right. An election is probably needed to sort this out. How do we get there?0 -
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They can remain members if they wish but no Cummings is right we cannot have Tory MPs standing again as Tory candidates while refusing to back Brexit Deal or No Deal as the vast majority of Tory members and voters now want in every poll.Philip_Thompson said:
HYUFD you are an obsessive and everything that is unattractive and wrong with modern politics.HYUFD said:
If you refuse to respect the Brexit vote and Leave Deal or No Deal then sadly BigG you are now a LD, not a conservativeBig_G_NorthWales said:FPT
HYUFD said:
» show previous quotes
You have already gone from the Tory Party, your choice but the party itself is now fully behind Brexit Deal or No Deal and with Boris in the war with the diehard Remainers and Corbyn
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I am saddened HYUFD that you have transformed from a sensible conservative with an obsession with polls to a deluded disciple of a cult that is trashing everything you once stood for
I am a one nation conservative, not a Farage tribute act, and support the 100 conservatives/or sacked conservatives who I hope rebel in a block and create their own movement, and by the way, see the end to this disastrous brexit earthquake and engineer either a soft brexit or even remain
I am bitterly upset at what is happening but inthe end decency will prevail as we start to slowly heal the wounds both in the UK and the EU and restore international friendships and our reputation.
I no longer want to be associated with those who would create division and hatred against so many here and abroad
And I even accept that could be under Corbyn, but if it is, Boris, the ERG and yourself are all responsible for the economic armagedon that would follow him in office
We as a Tory party need voters like Big_G and others. Hopefully by end of October Brexit can be behind us and there would be 4.5 years more where we would agree on more than just Brexit.
If Boris won a narrow majority of say 10 and those 21 Tory rebels were elected again as Tory MPs he could not get Brexit Deal or No Deal through despite a winning majority based on a manifesto to do so.
You may not like it, it may be brutal but that is where we are now, diehard Remainers will stop at nothing to block Brexit and the Tory Party must be prepared to respond in kind to deliver Brexit0 -
Is he doing a tour of PB regulars' home towns?CarlottaVance said:1 -
Actually thank you for local insight into real election the like of which happen every week it’s brave to stick your head over the parapet and give a view well donekle4 said:With the LDs often surprising on the upside in local by-elections no harm in predicting a LD win in this one.
In national matter, even with all the ridiculousness of this year it feels like the government is having an unprecedented nervous breakdown. If Boris can spring both an election and an election win from all this, it is an incredible amount of misdirection to appear so weak right now.0 -
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They also voted to extend over Brexit on October 31stBig_G_NorthWales said:
You are not the conservative. I am with Ken Clarke, Rory Stewart and it looks possibly Amber Rudd all of whom voted for the WDA you once were in favour ofHYUFD said:
If you refuse to respect the Brexit vote and Leave Deal or No Deal then sadly BigG you are now a LD, not a conservativeBig_G_NorthWales said:FPT
HYUFD said:
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You have already gone from the Tory Party, your choice but the party itself is now fully behind Brexit Deal or No Deal and with Boris in the war with the diehard Remainers and Corbyn
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I am saddened HYUFD that you have transformed from a sensible conservative with an obsession with polls to a deluded disciple of a cult that is trashing everything you once stood for
I am a one nation conservative, not a Farage tribute act, and support the 100 conservatives/or sacked conservatives who I hope rebel in a block and create their own movement, and by the way, see the end to this disastrous brexit earthquake and engineer either a soft brexit or even remain
I am bitterly upset at what is happening but inthe end decency will prevail as we start to slowly heal the wounds both in the UK and the EU and restore international friendships and our reputation.
I no longer want to be associated with those who would create division and hatred against so many here and abroad
And I even accept that could be under Corbyn, but if it is, Boris, the ERG and yourself are all responsible for the economic armagedon that would follow him in office0 -
Still wondering how the Tories are united behind a Brexit deal when there has not been a deal yet and we know some of them are unlikely to ever back one.0
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Did you miss the Euro elections ?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not now after the disaster that is BorisTGOHF said:
If Rory , May , Rudd and Hammond were leading the Con party they would poll sub 20%Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are not the conservative. I am with Ken Clarke, Rory Stewart and it looks possibly Amber Rudd all of whom voted for the WDA you once were in favour ofHYUFD said:
If you refuse to respect the Brexit vote and Leave Deal or No Deal then sadly BigG you are now a LD, not a conservativeBig_G_NorthWales said:FPT
HYUFD said:
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You have already gone from the Tory Party, your choice but the party itself is now fully behind Brexit Deal or No Deal and with Boris in the war with the diehard Remainers and Corbyn
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I am saddened HYUFD that you have transformed from a sensible conservative with an obsession with polls to a deluded disciple of a cult that is trashing everything you once stood for
I am a one nation conservative, not a Farage tribute act, and support the 100 conservatives/or sacked conservatives who I hope rebel in a block and create their own movement, and by the way, see the end to this disastrous brexit earthquake and engineer either a soft brexit or even remain
I am bitterly upset at what is happening but inthe end decency will prevail as we start to slowly heal the wounds both in the UK and the EU and restore international friendships and our reputation.
I no longer want to be associated with those who would create division and hatred against so many here and abroad
And I even accept that could be under Corbyn, but if it is, Boris, the ERG and yourself are all responsible for the economic armagedon that would follow him in office0 -
This is not freedom of movement. It means we may be able to visit for "short stays" (how short?) without a visa. We will be able to go to France for days rather than weeks. When I was younger I worked in France for a ski season. I couldn't do that now. This is such small beer.HYUFD said:0 -
Wargamed?CarlottaVance said:A non believer tweets:
https://twitter.com/AndrewSparrow/status/1169661266736099328?s=20
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The short term visa will likely be three-six months as it is for a lot of other tourist visas. It most certainly won't be "days".DougSeal said:
This is not freedom of movement. It means we may be able to visit for "short stays" (how short?) without a visa. We will be able to go to France for days rather than weeks. When I was younger I worked in France for a ski season. I couldn't do that now. This is such small beer.HYUFD said:0 -
George W Bush won re election in 2004 a year after doing that and left liberals hated him as much as they hate BorisMarqueeMark said:
Hey, it could have been worse.dyedwoolie said:
Ridiculous. Plenty of speeches get made in the presence of nurses etc, or in front of the army in Afghanistan or etc etcCarlottaVance said:
He could have been standing under a giant banner reading "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"......0 -
As someone who has long sought the office he now holds and has plotted to achieve it so intensely, making so many promises to do so, it's not exactly that I feel any sympathy for him, or that it is necessarily unseemly. However, not everything Boris does, even when bad, is the same level of bad. Even with Trump he's not doing something stupid and outrageous every time he opens his mouth. For me it rather undermines the impact of the really bad stuff Boris may say or do, because I get fatigued from being ourtaged over him saying big girls blouse or something.dyedwoolie said:
There is a weird kind of piling on going on this week, it's very bizarre. I think it will go too far at some point and a sympathy response kick in. It's a feeding frenzy right now which is unseemly in a time of crisiskle4 said:
Outliers in all things. Cannot say I like it either, but the level of outrage seems attached to people's dislike of Boris, it is all out of proportion.RobD said:.
Meh, I'm a Tory and I condemn it. Photoshoots with a couple of officers, fine... but having them all lined up behind you while you drone on about something unrelated to policing? There's something decidedly un-British about that.kle4 said:
The outrage over this is pretty obviously a partisan level one. A Conservative would defend it, and a Labour person condemn it, and if Corbyn were to give a speech in front of police officers Labour would defend it and a Conservative person condemn it.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Its right for MPs to back Brexit "deal or no deal" but that doesn't make Big_G a Lib Dem.HYUFD said:
They can remain members if they wish but no Cummings is right we cannot have Tory MPs standing again as Tory candidates while refusing to back Brexit Deal or No Deal as the vast majority of Tory members and voters now want in every poll.Philip_Thompson said:
HYUFD you are an obsessive and everything that is unattractive and wrong with modern politics.HYUFD said:
If you refuse to respect the Brexit vote and Leave Deal or No Deal then sadly BigG you are now a LD, not a conservativeBig_G_NorthWales said:FPT
HYUFD said:
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You have already gone from the Tory Party, your choice but the party itself is now fully behind Brexit Deal or No Deal and with Boris in the war with the diehard Remainers and Corbyn
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I am saddened HYUFD that you have transformed from a sensible conservative with an obsession with polls to a deluded disciple of a cult that is trashing everything you once stood for
I am a one nation conservative, not a Farage tribute act, and support the 100 conservatives/or sacked conservatives who I hope rebel in a block and create their own movement, and by the way, see the end to this disastrous brexit earthquake and engineer either a soft brexit or even remain
I am bitterly upset at what is happening but inthe end decency will prevail as we start to slowly heal the wounds both in the UK and the EU and restore international friendships and our reputation.
I no longer want to be associated with those who would create division and hatred against so many here and abroad
And I even accept that could be under Corbyn, but if it is, Boris, the ERG and yourself are all responsible for the economic armagedon that would follow him in office
We as a Tory party need voters like Big_G and others. Hopefully by end of October Brexit can be behind us and there would be 4.5 years more where we would agree on more than just Brexit.
If Boris won a narrow majority of say 10 and those 21 Tory rebels were elected again as Tory MPs he could not get Brexit Deal or No Deal through despite a winning majority based on a manifesto to do so.
You may not like it, it may be brutal but that is where we are now, diehard Remainers will stop at nothing to block Brexit and the Tory Party must be prepared to respond in kind to deliver Brexit
At worst it would make him politically homeless, as I was while May was PM.0 -
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I think Boris has been found out under the spotlight of unbending attacks from all sides. However, he allowed the poisonous Cummings into No 10, sacked 21 distinguished conservative mps, and prorogued parliament which clearly was one of several catastrophic mistakes. Upto the sacking of Ken Clarke I was giving Boris the benefit of the doubt but since then he is on a one way path to destroying his own sanity. His resignation cannot be far away, if only for his own mental healthdyedwoolie said:
There is a weird kind of piling on going on this week, it's very bizarre. I think it will go too far at some point and a sympathy response kick in. It's a feeding frenzy right now which is unseemly in a time of crisiskle4 said:
Outliers in all things. Cannot say I like it either, but the level of outrage seems attached to people's dislike of Boris, it is all out of proportion.RobD said:.
Meh, I'm a Tory and I condemn it. Photoshoots with a couple of officers, fine... but having them all lined up behind you while you drone on about something unrelated to policing? There's something decidedly un-British about that.kle4 said:
The outrage over this is pretty obviously a partisan level one. A Conservative would defend it, and a Labour person condemn it, and if Corbyn were to give a speech in front of police officers Labour would defend it and a Conservative person condemn it.CarlottaVance said:
It is upsetting to watch it and very embarrassing. In fact I have not had the news on, I cannot watch it.0 -
You can't stay more than a few days or a couple of weeks if you can't pay your way by working, for example, in a bar as I did. It's a nothing announcement and just reinforces the fact that, as individuals, we are losing so many rights with this fiasco. It won't persuade anyone who thinks Brexit is a terrible idea otherwise. And if that was not the purpose of the announcement then what was the purpose of the announcement?RobD said:
The short term visa will likely be three-six months as it is for a lot of other tourist visas. It most certainly won't be "days".DougSeal said:
This is not freedom of movement. It means we may be able to visit for "short stays" (how short?) without a visa. We will be able to go to France for days rather than weeks. When I was younger I worked in France for a ski season. I couldn't do that now. This is such small beer.HYUFD said:0
