Just popped in and the bitterness on both sides is so sad and frankly not worthy of this great site
Will come back later when, hopefully, sensible debate occurs
I was going to post something similar yesterday. I don't think it's just this site. Anger is so rife, everywhere. The bitterness and division that Brexit has opened up is a wound which will not be healed for a generation.
Some may decry me for saying so and claim it's hyperbole but I believe it.
It's a national tragedy and it's only getting worse. Pandora's box has been well and truly unleashed.
Just popped in and the bitterness on both sides is so sad and frankly not worthy of this great site
Will come back later when, hopefully, sensible debate occurs
Erm, in November, then?
Don't give up. Most of us are our usual amicable selves.
Next test match starts on Thursday, so 5 days of cricket talk to unite both remainers and leavers (except the ones who don't like cricket, the fools!)
“ the ones who don't like cricket, the fools! “
Oi!!! That’s me you’re talking about.
5 days of cricket sounds like absolute bloody Purgatory.
For the true obsessives (like me, obvs) there are three Test matches on the same days, in Sri Lanka, England and Antigua, so play starts at 05:30 BST in Sri Lanka and ends at about 22:00 BST in Antigua, with the match in England overlapping both. Heaven!
Why does the Revolutionary Communist Party have so much sway in the British media?
Because they are a well organised clique, in a country that cannot manage a piss up in a brewery. Their control of the Brexit party is one of Putin's best pranks.
Leaving aside the stupid aircraft carrier childish responses.
Just how is Ireland more powerful than the UK?
Because they are part of one of the geopolitical powers in the world. We are soon to be simply an isolated and withering, bitterly divided island nation.
No, we will still be in the top 10 economies in the world even with England alone, a G7 and G20 member and a permanent member of the UN Security Council unlike Ireland or the EU
So from top 5 to top 10... the sunlit uplands of Brexit, eh?
Just popped in and the bitterness on both sides is so sad and frankly not worthy of this great site
Will come back later when, hopefully, sensible debate occurs
I was going to post something similar yesterday. I don't think it's just this site. Anger is so rife, everywhere. The bitterness and division that Brexit has opened up is a wound which will not be healed for a generation.
Some may decry me for saying so and claim it's hyperbole but I believe it.
It's a national tragedy and it's only getting worse. Pandora's box has been well and truly unleashed.
New Market: next GE - Chingford and Woodford Green (Con Maj 2,438; Iain Duncan Smith MP)
Con 1/2 Lab 6/4 LD 50/1
Cons way too short, Lab way too long?
Not if current polling is anywhere near accurate. Labour seem to have peaked too early.
IDS invariably gets half the votes. Labour improved a lot in 2017 to mop up all the anti-IDS votes but unless next time it really is different, IDS should be safe.
2017 Iain Duncan Smith 49.1% 42.4% +6.7 2015 Iain Duncan Smith 47.9% 36.9% +11.0 2010 Iain Duncan Smith 52.8% 36.1% +16.7 2005 Iain Duncan Smith 53.2% 32.4% +20.8 2001 Iain Duncan Smith 48.2% 31.7% +16.5 1997 Iain Duncan Smith 47.5% 30.7% +16.8
I've added the national Tory vote share, and the difference between the two, to your post.
It's the decline in the difference between the national Tory vote, and the vote in Chingford & Woodford Green, that has people interested.
Extrapolating the trend would leave IDS only a couple of percentage points above the national average Tory vote share, and that makes him vulnerable - particularly if the national vote share is down from 2017.
Just popped in and the bitterness on both sides is so sad and frankly not worthy of this great site
Will come back later when, hopefully, sensible debate occurs
I was going to post something similar yesterday. I don't think it's just this site. Anger is so rife, everywhere. The bitterness and division that Brexit has opened up is a wound which will not be healed for a generation.
Some may decry me for saying so and claim it's hyperbole but I believe it.
It's a national tragedy and it's only getting worse. Pandora's box has been well and truly unleashed.
+1
And what's worse is the insane inability on either side to realise that a compromise is necessary. It makes me very depressed.
Why does the Revolutionary Communist Party have so much sway in the British media?
An old and apparently non-political colleague who I'd lost touch with contacted me today, to say she'd joined the Socialist Unity Party, which I thought was long dead. You'd think that someone who's stayed out of politics up to now would start with the LibDems or something but no, she thinks Corbyn is "too right wing".
The RCP, though, are the super-libertarian neoconservative types, aren't they?
Just popped in and the bitterness on both sides is so sad and frankly not worthy of this great site
Will come back later when, hopefully, sensible debate occurs
I was going to post something similar yesterday. I don't think it's just this site. Anger is so rife, everywhere. The bitterness and division that Brexit has opened up is a wound which will not be healed for a generation.
Some may decry me for saying so and claim it's hyperbole but I believe it.
It's a national tragedy and it's only getting worse. Pandora's box has been well and truly unleashed.
+1
And what's worse is the insane inability on either side to realise that a compromise is necessary. It makes me very depressed.
Does this compromise look anything like your preferred outcome from day one, by any chance?
Train drivers have rather easy jobs involving sitting down and looking for red lights and stoping at the appropriate place. This is why, IIRC, it's one of the most unionised jobs going and difficult to break into. However they are assessed at regular intervals and are fired if they underperform. So they are more deserving than solicitors, in that respect at least.
Train drivers are paid far too much, but they're able to maintain their pay by threatening to grind the country to a halt by going on strike at the drop of a hat. I look forward to the invention of teleportation.
They do suffer the significant operational risk of people throwing themselves in front of the train. Apparently this is remarkably common.
New Market: next GE - Chingford and Woodford Green (Con Maj 2,438; Iain Duncan Smith MP)
Con 1/2 Lab 6/4 LD 50/1
Cons way too short, Lab way too long?
Not if current polling is anywhere near accurate. Labour seem to have peaked too early.
IDS invariably gets half the votes. Labour improved a lot in 2017 to mop up all the anti-IDS votes but unless next time it really is different, IDS should be safe.
2017 Iain Duncan Smith 49.1% 42.4% +6.7 2015 Iain Duncan Smith 47.9% 36.9% +11.0 2010 Iain Duncan Smith 52.8% 36.1% +16.7 2005 Iain Duncan Smith 53.2% 32.4% +20.8 2001 Iain Duncan Smith 48.2% 31.7% +16.5 1997 Iain Duncan Smith 47.5% 30.7% +16.8
I've added the national Tory vote share, and the difference between the two, to your post.
It's the decline in the difference between the national Tory vote, and the vote in Chingford & Woodford Green, that has people interested.
Extrapolating the trend would leave IDS only a couple of percentage points above the national average Tory vote share, and that makes him vulnerable - particularly if the national vote share is down from 2017.
I have canvassed in Chingford over the last month or two and can tell you while a few Tories are going LD or Brexit Party none I have canvassed are going Corbyn Labour
If the backstop upheld its precepts and purposes, by being a compromise respecting both communities, then it would be better. It doesn't, it is a capitulation to one community that is hated by the other, that has the square root of f##k all to do with upholding the precepts and purposes of the GFA.
Chatting to LibDems, have been told they should expect an election either Oct 10 or Nov 7. That's not to say they know more thanwe do, but the first one - which would mean Johnson challenging Parliament to approve it on the first day back on Sept 3 - is intriguing.
Meanwhile, I see Biden's latest Iowa ad promises "strong and stable" leadership. Ah, yes, I remember it well...
Just had my Lib dem leaflet posted through my door.Saying the polls say they will take the seat York Outer from the Conservatives based on the European Elections. Good luck with that one .
Yes, quite, on 10.7% of the vote last time. But that's going to be a problem for anti-Tory tactical voters. Both Lab and LDs are going to have something to point to in order to show that only they are the One True Challenger. Labour will cite 2017. LDs will cite the Euros and/or the locals. In many seats, nobody will really know for sure who's right.
The poor confused voters may be forced to consider which policies they like best.
Just popped in and the bitterness on both sides is so sad and frankly not worthy of this great site
Will come back later when, hopefully, sensible debate occurs
I was going to post something similar yesterday. I don't think it's just this site. Anger is so rife, everywhere. The bitterness and division that Brexit has opened up is a wound which will not be healed for a generation.
Some may decry me for saying so and claim it's hyperbole but I believe it.
It's a national tragedy and it's only getting worse. Pandora's box has been well and truly unleashed.
+1
And what's worse is the insane inability on either side to realise that a compromise is necessary. It makes me very depressed.
Does this compromise look anything like your preferred outcome from day one, by any chance?
A compromise looks like May's deal. Close relations with EU, control of immigration, open border in Ireland. And my preferred option was, and still is, EU membership. But I care more about my country coming together than one side destroying the other. That is the way for civil unrest and extremists like Farage or Corbyn coming to power.
Electoral Calculus gives Boris a Tory majority of 40.
Tories 345 seats (highest seat total for Tories since Thatcher 1987), Labour 193 seats (lowest seat total for Labour since 1935), LDs 53 seats (highest seat total for LDs since 2010).
I wondered after the first Boris poll — what if ~30% is the ceiling not the floor? — and so far it is holding up. I know crazed Boris fans will be along to tell us how Boris can easily win a whopping majority on about 30% of the vote, but in my mind it's an absolutely damning verdict on the man and party that a new leader promising to sort out Brexit has so little support.
Train drivers have rather easy jobs involving sitting down and looking for red lights and stoping at the appropriate place. This is why, IIRC, it's one of the most unionised jobs going and difficult to break into. However they are assessed at regular intervals and are fired if they underperform. So they are more deserving than solicitors, in that respect at least.
Train drivers are paid far too much, but they're able to maintain their pay by threatening to grind the country to a halt by going on strike at the drop of a hat. I look forward to the invention of teleportation.
They do suffer the significant operational risk of people throwing themselves in front of the train. Apparently this is remarkably common.
Network Rail have an interesting page on this, though the statistics are a couple of years out of date now, it was about nine [suspected] suicides a fortnight.
Just popped in and the bitterness on both sides is so sad and frankly not worthy of this great site
Will come back later when, hopefully, sensible debate occurs
I was going to post something similar yesterday. I don't think it's just this site. Anger is so rife, everywhere. The bitterness and division that Brexit has opened up is a wound which will not be healed for a generation.
Some may decry me for saying so and claim it's hyperbole but I believe it.
It's a national tragedy and it's only getting worse. Pandora's box has been well and truly unleashed.
+1
And what's worse is the insane inability on either side to realise that a compromise is necessary. It makes me very depressed.
Does this compromise look anything like your preferred outcome from day one, by any chance?
A compromise looks like May's deal. Close relations with EU, control of immigration, open border in Ireland. And my preferred option was, and still is, EU membership. But I care more about my country coming together than one side destroying the other. That is the way for civil unrest and extremists like Farage or Corbyn coming to power.
It’s remarkable how, these days, the hapless Tessa May looks like a distinguished stateswoman and her deal like the Holy Grail.
Train drivers have rather easy jobs involving sitting down and looking for red lights and stoping at the appropriate place. This is why, IIRC, it's one of the most unionised jobs going and difficult to break into. However they are assessed at regular intervals and are fired if they underperform. So they are more deserving than solicitors, in that respect at least.
Train drivers are paid far too much, but they're able to maintain their pay by threatening to grind the country to a halt by going on strike at the drop of a hat. I look forward to the invention of teleportation.
They do suffer the significant operational risk of people throwing themselves in front of the train. Apparently this is remarkably common.
Network Rail have an interesting page on this, though the statistics are a couple of years out of date now, it was about nine [suspected] suicides a fortnight.
Indeed. I suspect very few people realise how sickeningly common this is. According to your document (which seems authoritative) 1 in 20 of all suicides in the UK are performed this way.
I wondered after the first Boris poll — what if ~30% is the ceiling not the floor? — and so far it is holding up. I know crazed Boris fans will be along to tell us how Boris can easily win a whopping majority on about 30% of the vote, but in my mind it's an absolutely damning verdict on the man and party that a new leader promising to sort out Brexit has so little support.
Boris is the blustering buffoon that did not bounce. I suspect that, under similar numbers, the Tories would go backwards as tactical voting returns with a vengeance.
Just popped in and the bitterness on both sides is so sad and frankly not worthy of this great site
Will come back later when, hopefully, sensible debate occurs
I was going to post something similar yesterday. I don't think it's just this site. Anger is so rife, everywhere. The bitterness and division that Brexit has opened up is a wound which will not be healed for a generation.
Some may decry me for saying so and claim it's hyperbole but I believe it.
It's a national tragedy and it's only getting worse. Pandora's box has been well and truly unleashed.
+1
And what's worse is the insane inability on either side to realise that a compromise is necessary. It makes me very depressed.
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Some may decry me for saying so and claim it's hyperbole but I believe it.
It's a national tragedy and it's only getting worse. Pandora's box has been well and truly unleashed.
It's the decline in the difference between the national Tory vote, and the vote in Chingford & Woodford Green, that has people interested.
Extrapolating the trend would leave IDS only a couple of percentage points above the national average Tory vote share, and that makes him vulnerable - particularly if the national vote share is down from 2017.
And what's worse is the insane inability on either side to realise that a compromise is necessary. It makes me very depressed.
The RCP, though, are the super-libertarian neoconservative types, aren't they?
Live and Let x
Tomorrow Never x s
x Another Day
No Time to x
Swing of 12.5% from Tories to LDs and 16% from Labour to LDs
The horror, the horror!
Time to step down.
NEW THREAD
Tories 345 seats (highest seat total for Tories since Thatcher 1987), Labour 193 seats (lowest seat total for Labour since 1935), LDs 53 seats (highest seat total for LDs since 2010).
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.py?CON=30&LAB=21+&LIB=20+&Brexit=14+&Green=8&UKIP=1&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTBrexit=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2017base
https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/looking-after-the-railway/delays-explained/fatalities/
Life, is, as they say, all relative.
Boris is the blustering buffoon that did not bounce. I suspect that, under similar numbers, the Tories would go backwards as tactical voting returns with a vengeance.
He looks ill.