(Admittedly, this could be damning with faint praise. Better than a Fascist and a fuckwit. But I think personally that Swinson's done OK so far. How she capitalises on Labour's latest Brexit shambles is key to how well she does in an autumn election.)
the LDs have the chance to replace Labour for the second time in my life. Odds are theyll scew it up again
Only if Labour replace Corbyn with someone from the soft left as Kinnock replaced Foot after the 1983 defeat, in 1983 Labour got its lowest voteshare since 1918, Corbyn Labour is now polling lower than Foot did then
Much as Idlike to see the LDs succeed I fear they just lack that clear meassage and killer instinct in the way the SNP did, they will spend half their time attacking the Tories and the other half attacking Labour, as a result theyll end up with policies all over the place,
They have one huge advantage. They are the only major national party that hasn't dug itself into a veritable mohole over Brexit. Whatever the democratic principles involved, at least their message is simple, clear, and appeals to a very large chunk of 48% of the electorate.
But that will be moot if we leave before the next election. Making the case to,rejoin will be much harder.
Id say one further advantage could be the moving tectonic plates of the UK electorate. The coalition that was Labour is looking fragile middle class poshos and working class have less in common these days. The Tories too are split between the metropolitans and the shires. depending how the shifts go we could have poshos and metropolitans under an LD banner and the norney handed sons of toil under a britain first Tory party.
What would that leave Labour ?
I now believe the only way the right will complete the takeover of the WWC vote will be under a movement that is NOT the Tories. Yes the sentiment is shifting away from the Labour Party, but there is a deep seated distrust of “the Tories” that I think stops a lot of people moving into their column, particularly in the northern urban areas.
The Tories already lead with working class voters on the latest polls since Boris took over with Labour second and the Brexit Party third, the Tories have a narrower lead over the LDs with middle class voters
(Admittedly, this could be damning with faint praise. Better than a Fascist and a fuckwit. But I think personally that Swinson's done OK so far. How she capitalises on Labour's latest Brexit shambles is key to how well she does in an autumn election.)
the LDs have the chance to replace Labour for the second time in my life. Odds are theyll scew it up again
Only if Labour replace Corbyn with someone from the soft left as Kinnock replaced Foot after the 1983 defeat, in 1983 Labour got its lowest voteshare since 1918, Corbyn Labour is now polling lower than Foot did then
Much as Idlike to see the LDs succeed I fear they just lack that clear meassage and killer instinct in the way the SNP did, they will spend half their time attacking the Tories and the other half attacking Labour, as a result theyll end up with policies all over the place,
They have one huge advantage. They are the only major national party that hasn't dug itself into a veritable mohole over Brexit. Whatever the democratic principles involved, at least their message is simple, clear, and appeals to a very large chunk of 48% of the electorate.
But that will be moot if we leave before the next election. Making the case to,rejoin will be much harder.
Id say one further advantage could be the moving tectonic plates of the UK electorate. The coalition that was Labour is looking fragile middle class poshos and working class have less in common these days. The Tories too are split between the metropolitans and the shires. depending how the shifts go we could have poshos and metropolitans under an LD banner and the norney handed sons of toil under a britain first Tory party.
What would that leave Labour ?
With the welfare dependent underclass and some of the ethnic minority vote, the graduate middle class leaning LD and the white lower middle class and skilled working class leaning Tory
(Admittedly, this could be damning with faint praise. Better than a Fascist and a fuckwit. But I think personally that Swinson's done OK so far. How she capitalises on Labour's latest Brexit shambles is key to how well she does in an autumn election.)
the LDs have the chance to replace Labour for the second time in my life. Odds are theyll scew it up again
Only if Labour replace Corbyn with someone from the soft left as Kinnock replaced Foot after the 1983 defeat, in 1983 Labour got its lowest voteshare since 1918, Corbyn Labour is now polling lower than Foot did then
Much as Idlike to see the LDs succeed I fear they just lack that clear meassage and killer instinct in the way the SNP did, they will spend half their time attacking the Tories and the other half attacking Labour, as a result theyll end up with policies all over the place,
They have one huge advantage. They are the only major national party that hasn't dug itself into a veritable mohole over Brexit. Whatever the democratic principles involved, at least their message is simple, clear, and appeals to a very large chunk of 48% of the electorate.
But that will be moot if we leave before the next election. Making the case to,rejoin will be much harder.
Id say one further advantage could be the moving tectonic plates of the UK electorate. The coalition that was Labour is looking fragile middle class poshos and working class have less in common these days. The Tories too are split between the metropolitans and the shires. depending how the shifts go we could have poshos and metropolitans under an LD banner and the norney handed sons of toil under a britain first Tory party.
What would that leave Labour ?
With the welfare dependent underclass and some of the ethnic minority vote, the graduate middle class leaning LD and the white lower middle class and skilled working class leaning Tory
What's the "welfare dependent underclass" ?
Social class DEs, the unemployed and unskilled working class
Using complete strangers expressing the worst of themselves on Twitter to keep your righteous indignation satiated is right up there with eating human excrement as a healthy passtime.
(Admittedly, this could be damning with faint praise. Better than a Fascist and a fuckwit. But I think personally that Swinson's done OK so far. How she capitalises on Labour's latest Brexit shambles is key to how well she does in an autumn election.)
the LDs have the chance to replace Labour for the second time in my life. Odds are theyll scew it up again
Only if Labour replace Corbyn with someone from the soft left as Kinnock replaced Foot after the 1983 defeat, in 1983 Labour got its lowest voteshare since 1918, Corbyn Labour is now polling lower than Foot did then
Much as Idlike to see the LDs succeed I fear they just lack that clear meassage and killer instinct in the way the SNP did, they will spend half their time attacking the Tories and the other half attacking Labour, as a result theyll end up with policies all over the place,
They have one huge advantage. They are the only major national party that hasn't dug itself into a veritable mohole over Brexit. Whatever the democratic principles involved, at least their message is simple, clear, and appeals to a very large chunk of 48% of the electorate.
But that will be moot if we leave before the next election. Making the case to,rejoin will be much harder.
Id say one further advantage could be the moving tectonic plates of the UK electorate. The coalition that was Labour is looking fragile middle class poshos and working class have less in common these days. The Tories too are split between the metropolitans and the shires. depending how the shifts go we could have poshos and metropolitans under an LD banner and the norney handed sons of toil under a britain first Tory party.
What would that leave Labour ?
With the welfare dependent underclass and some of the ethnic minority vote, the graduate middle class leaning LD and the white lower middle class and skilled working class leaning Tory
The largest sector of welfare, indeed the overwhelming majority of it, are pensioners.
Most pensioners own their own properties and contributed to the state pension when working through National Insurance and many have private pensions too, the welfare dependent underclass rent and have little income
(Admittedly, this could be damning with faint praise. Better than a Fascist and a fuckwit. But I think personally that Swinson's done OK so far. How she capitalises on Labour's latest Brexit shambles is key to how well she does in an autumn election.)
the LDs have the chance to replace Labour for the second time in my life. Odds are theyll scew it up again
Only if Labour replace Corbyn with someone from the soft left as Kinnock replaced Foot after the 1983 defeat, in 1983 Labour got its lowest voteshare since 1918, Corbyn Labour is now polling lower than Foot did then
Much as Idlike to see the LDs succeed I fear they just lack that clear meassage and killer instinct in the way the SNP did, they will spend half their time attacking the Tories and the other half attacking Labour, as a result theyll end up with policies all over the place,
They have one huge advantage. They are the only major national party that hasn't dug itself into a veritable mohole over Brexit. Whatever the democratic principles involved, at least their message is simple, clear, and appeals to a very large chunk of 48% of the electorate.
But that will be moot if we leave before the next election. Making the case to,rejoin will be much harder.
Id say one further advantage could be the moving tectonic plates of the UK electorate. The coalition that was Labour is looking fragile middle class poshos and working class have less in common these days. The Tories too are split between the metropolitans and the shires. depending how the shifts go we could have poshos and metropolitans under an LD banner and the norney handed sons of toil under a britain first Tory party.
What would that leave Labour ?
With the welfare dependent underclass and some of the ethnic minority vote, the graduate middle class leaning LD and the white lower middle class and skilled working class leaning Tory
The largest sector of welfare, indeed the overwhelming majority of it, are pensioners.
Most pensioners own their own properties and contributed to the state pension when working through National Insurance and many have private pensions too, the welfare dependent underclass rent and have little income
If you collect the State pension you are on benefits. End of.
Using complete strangers expressing the worst of themselves on Twitter to keep your righteous indignation satiated is right up there with eating human excrement as a healthy passtime.
Given your weirdo food obsessions (among others), I bow to your expertise on what 'passtimes' can be compared to eating excrement.
(Admittedly, this could be damning with faint praise. Better than a Fascist and a fuckwit. But I think personally that Swinson's done OK so far. How she capitalises on Labour's latest Brexit shambles is key to how well she does in an autumn election.)
the LDs have the chance to replace Labour for the second time in my life. Odds are theyll scew it up again
Only if Labour replace Corbyn with someone from the soft left as Kinnock replaced Foot after the 1983 defeat, in 1983 Labour got its lowest voteshare since 1918, Corbyn Labour is now polling lower than Foot did then
Much as Idlike to see the LDs succeed I fear they just lack and appeals to a very large chunk of 48% of the electorate.
But that will be moot if we leave before the next election. Making the case to,rejoin will be much harder.
Id say one further advantage could be the moving tectonic plates of the UK electorate. The coalition that was Labour is looking fragile middle class poshos and working class have less in common these days. The Tories too are split between the metropolitans and the shires. depending how the shifts go we could have poshos and metropolitans under an LD banner and the norney handed sons of toil under a britain first Tory party.
What would that leave Labour ?
With the welfare dependent underclass and some of the ethnic minority vote, the graduate middle class leaning LD and the white lower middle class and skilled working class leaning Tory
The largest sector of welfare, indeed the overwhelming majority of it, are pensioners.
Most pensioners own their own properties and contributed to the state pension when working through National Insurance and many have private pensions too, the welfare dependent underclass rent and have little income
If you collect the State pension you are on benefits. End of.
Alan Sugar collects a state pension and is a billionaire, it does not make him a member of the 'welfare dependent underclass' as he has more than enough private assets and income to live off without state assistance.
Same with any pensioner who owns a property or has a private pension
Alan Sugar collects a state pension and is a billionaire, it does not make him a member of the 'welfare dependent underclass' as he has more than enough private assets and income to live off without state assistance.
Same with any pensioner who owns a property or has a private pension
Although as a member of the House of Lords he does meet one popular definition of the word 'parasite.'
(Admittedly, this could be damning with faint praise. Better than a Fascist and a fuckwit. But I think personally that Swinson's done OK so far. How she capitalises on Labour's latest Brexit shambles is key to how well she does in an autumn election.)
the LDs have the chance to replace Labour for the second time in my life. Odds are theyll scew it up again
Only if Labour replace Corbyn with someone from the soft left as Kinnock replaced Foot after the 1983 defeat, in 1983 Labour got its lowest voteshare since 1918, Corbyn Labour is now polling lower than Foot did then
Much as Idlike to see the LDs succeed I fear they just lack and appeals to a very large chunk of 48% of the electorate.
But that will be moot if we leave before the next election. Making the case to,rejoin will be much harder.
Id say one further advantage could be the moving tectonic plates of the UK electorate. The coalition that was Labour is looking fragile middle class poshos and working class have less in common these days. The Tories too are split between the metropolitans and the shires. depending how the shifts go we could have poshos and metropolitans under an LD banner and the norney handed sons of toil under a britain first Tory party.
What would that leave Labour ?
With the welfare dependent underclass and some of the ethnic minority vote, the graduate middle class leaning LD and the white lower middle class and skilled working class leaning Tory
The largest sector of welfare, indeed the overwhelming majority of it, are pensioners.
Most pensioners own their own properties and contributed to the state pension when working through National Insurance and many have private pensions too, the welfare dependent underclass rent and have little income
If you collect the State pension you are on benefits. End of.
Alan Sugar collects a state pension and is a billionaire, it does not make him a member if the 'welfare dependent underclass' as he has more than enough private assets and income to live off without state assistance
I merely said that the majority of people on welfare were pensioners. People on benefits overwhelmingly vote Tory. If only employed voters had counted in 2017, Labour would have won a majority.
Chatting to LibDems, have been told they should expect an election either Oct 10 or Nov 7. That's not to say they know more thanwe do, but the first one - which would mean Johnson challenging Parliament to approve it on the first day back on Sept 3 - is intriguing.
Meanwhile, I see Biden's latest Iowa ad promises "strong and stable" leadership. Ah, yes, I remember it well...
BoZo's bluster won over witless MPs and the Blue Rinse brigade of the Tory members, but other politicians, the press and the public aren't buying it any more.
The most comically inept party leader in UK history More vacuous than Iain Duncan Smith, more self-righteous than Tim Farron, more wooden than Theresa May.
And a Bollox to stopping No Deal to boot, how must Davey feel losing to her
Well that’s an informed intervention from a balanced poster who has an inbuilt vitriolic hatred for anything that is not labour, over to the weather forecast for a more insightful view on life in the UK
Politically, BJO and I agree on virtually nothing. But I think his assessment of Swinson might prove to be correct. A party leader who will make Leanne Wood look quite good.
(Admittedly, this could be damning with faint praise. Better than a Fascist and a fuckwit. But I think personally that Swinson's done OK so far. How she capitalises on Labour's latest Brexit shambles is key to how well she does in an autumn election.)
the LDs have the chance to replace Labour for the second time in my life. Odds are theyll scew it up again
Only if Labour replace Corbyn with someone from the soft left as Kinnock replaced Foot after the 1983 defeat, in 1983 Labour got its lowest voteshare since 1918, Corbyn Labour is now polling lower than Foot did then
Much as Idlike to see the LDs succeed I fear they just lack that clear meassage and killer instinct in the way the SNP did, they will spend half their time attacking the Tories and the other half attacking Labour, as a result theyll end up with policies all over the place,
They have one huge advantage. They are the only major national party that hasn't dug itself into a veritable mohole over Brexit. Whatever the democratic principles involved, at least their message is simple, clear, and appeals to a very large chunk of 48% of the electorate.
But that will be moot if we leave before the next election. Making the case to,rejoin will be much harder.
Id say one further advantage could be the moving tectonic plates of the UK electorate. The coalition that was Labour is looking fragile middle class poshos and working class have less in common these days. The Tories too are split between the metropolitans and the shires. depending how the shifts go we could have poshos and metropolitans under an LD banner and the norney handed sons of toil under a britain first Tory party.
What would that leave Labour ?
With the welfare dependent underclass and some of the ethnic minority vote, the graduate middle class leaning LD and the white lower middle class and skilled working class leaning Tory
What's the "welfare dependent underclass" ?
Social class DEs, the unemployed and unskilled working class
Your bigotry shines through.
Social class D is "Semi-skilled and unskilled manual workers" many of whom will not be recieving any benefits at all. Social class E is "State pensioners, casual and lowest grade workers, unemployed with state benefits only" of which the largest proportion is pensioners.
Chatting to LibDems, have been told they should expect an election either Oct 10 or Nov 7. That's not to say they know more thanwe do, but the first one - which would mean Johnson challenging Parliament to approve it on the first day back on Sept 3 - is intriguing.
Meanwhile, I see Biden's latest Iowa ad promises "strong and stable" leadership. Ah, yes, I remember it well...
Just had my Lib dem leaflet posted through my door.Saying the polls say they will take the seat York Outer from the Conservatives based on the European Elections. Good luck with that one .
(Admittedly, this could be damning with faint praise. Better than a Fascist and a fuckwit. But I think personally that Swinson's done OK so far. How she capitalises on Labour's latest Brexit shambles is key to how well she does in an autumn election.)
the LDs have the chance to replace Labour for the second time in my life. Odds are theyll scew it up again
Only if Labour replace Corbyn with someone from the soft left as Kinnock replaced Foot after the 1983 defeat, in 1983 Labour got its lowest voteshare since 1918, Corbyn Labour is now polling lower than Foot did then
Much as Idlike to see the LDs succeed I fear they just lack and appeals to a very large chunk of 48% of the electorate.
But that will be moot if we leave before the next election. Making the case to,rejoin will be much harder.
Id say one further advantage could be the moving tectonic plates of ory party.
What would that leave Labour ?
With the welfare dependent underclass and some of the ethnic minority vote, the graduate middle class leaning LD and the white lower middle class and skilled working class leaning Tory
The largest sector of welfare, indeed the overwhelming majority of it, are pensioners.
Most pensioners own their own properties and contributed to the state pension when working through National Insurance and many have private pensions too, the welfare dependent underclass rent and have little income
If you collect the State pension you are on benefits. End of.
Alan Sugar collects a state pension and is a billionaire, it does not make him a member if the 'welfare dependent underclass' as he has more than enough private assets and income to live off without state assistance
I merely said that the majority of people on welfare were pensioners. People on benefits overwhelmingly vote Tory. If only employed voters had counted in 2017, Labour would have won a majority.
Now most employed voters are voting Tory or LD, pensioners are still voting Tory
(Admittedly, this could be damning with faint praise. Better than a Fascist and a fuckwit. But I think personally that Swinson's done OK so far. How she capitalises on Labour's latest Brexit shambles is key to how well she does in an autumn election.)
the LDs have the chance to replace Labour for the second time in my life. Odds are theyll scew it up again
Only if Labour replace Corbyn with someone from the soft left as Kinnock replaced Foot after the 1983 defeat, in 1983 Labour got its lowest voteshare since 1918, Corbyn Labour is now polling lower than Foot did then
Much as Idlike to see the LDs succeed I fear they just lack that clear meassage and killer instinct in the way the SNP did, they will spend half their time attacking the Tories and the other half attacking Labour, as a result theyll end up with policies all over the place,
They have one huge advantage. They are the only major national party .
But that will be moot if we leave before the next election. Making the case to,rejoin will be much harder.
Id say one further advantage could be the moving tectonic plates of st Tory party.
What would that leave Labour ?
With the welfare dependent underclass and some of the ethnic minority vote, the graduate middle class leaning LD and the white lower middle class and skilled working class leaning Tory
What's the "welfare dependent underclass" ?
Social class DEs, the unemployed and unskilled working class
Your bigotry shines through.
Social class D is "Semi-skilled and unskilled manual workers" many of whom will not be recieving any benefits at all. Social class E is "State pensioners, casual and lowest grade workers, unemployed with state benefits only" of which the largest proportion is pensioners.
So factually I was absolutely correct then, social class DE includes unskilled workers and the unemployed and state dependent pensioners, exactly as I originally said.
Thanks for confirming. Of course if some of them do not claim benefits at all they will be more likely to vote Tory but that will be a minority and mainly at the upper end of class D which is borderline skilled working class C2 anyway
The most comically inept party leader in UK history More vacuous than Iain Duncan Smith, more self-righteous than Tim Farron, more wooden than Theresa May.
And a Bollox to stopping No Deal to boot, how must Davey feel losing to her
Well that’s an informed intervention from a balanced poster who has an inbuilt vitriolic hatred for anything that is not labour, over to the weather forecast for a more insightful view on life in the UK
Politically, BJO and I agree on virtually nothing. But I think his assessment of Swinson might prove to be correct. A party leader who will make Leanne Wood look quite good.
If she's pissing off you and BJO she's probably doing ok.
BoZo's bluster won over witless MPs and the Blue Rinse brigade of the Tory members, but other politicians, the press and the public aren't buying it any more.
The most comically inept party leader in UK history More vacuous than Iain Duncan Smith, more self-righteous than Tim Farron, more wooden than Theresa May.
And a Bollox to stopping No Deal to boot, how must Davey feel losing to her
Well that’s an informed intervention from a balanced poster who has an inbuilt vitriolic hatred for anything that is not labour, over to the weather forecast for a more insightful view on life in the UK
Politically, BJO and I agree on virtually nothing. But I think his assessment of Swinson might prove to be correct. A party leader who will make Leanne Wood look quite good.
If she's pissing off you and BJO she's probably doing ok.
Not pissing me off. Reckon she'll crash and burn.....
EDIT: and if you think mine and BJO's assessments are caustic, don't poke malcomg with a stick on the subject of Swinson....!
Leaving aside the stupid aircraft carrier childish responses.
Just how is Ireland more powerful than the UK?
Because they are part of one of the geopolitical powers in the world. We are soon to be simply an isolated and withering, bitterly divided island nation.
BoZo's bluster won over witless MPs and the Blue Rinse brigade of the Tory members, but other politicians, the press and the public aren't buying it any more.
This is not going to end well
It already hasn't.
It hasn't already ended.
Remainers keep promising it won't end for a decade.
BoZo's bluster won over witless MPs and the Blue Rinse brigade of the Tory members, but other politicians, the press and the public aren't buying it any more.
This is not going to end well
It already hasn't.
It hasn't already ended.
Remainers keep promising it won't end for a decade.
The most comically inept party leader in UK history More vacuous than Iain Duncan Smith, more self-righteous than Tim Farron, more wooden than Theresa May.
And a Bollox to stopping No Deal to boot, how must Davey feel losing to her
Well that’s an informed intervention from a balanced poster who has an inbuilt vitriolic hatred for anything that is not labour, over to the weather forecast for a more insightful view on life in the UK
Politically, BJO and I agree on virtually nothing. But I think his assessment of Swinson might prove to be correct. A party leader who will make Leanne Wood look quite good.
If she's pissing off you and BJO she's probably doing ok.
Not pissing me off. Reckon she'll crash and burn.....
EDIT: and if you think mine and BJO's assessments are caustic, don't poke malcomg with a stick on the subject of Swinson....!
Your all just ludicrous old men who have a hatred for anything that challenges your perceived status quo
Leaving aside the stupid aircraft carrier childish responses.
Just how is Ireland more powerful than the UK?
Because they are part of one of the geopolitical powers in the world. We are soon to be simply an isolated and withering, bitterly divided island nation.
yes, the way Germany rallied behind Ireland and the Mediterranean countries in 2011 was a selfless act of communautaire generosity
The most comically inept party leader in UK history More vacuous than Iain Duncan Smith, more self-righteous than Tim Farron, more wooden than Theresa May.
And a Bollox to stopping No Deal to boot, how must Davey feel losing to her
Well that’s an informed intervention from a balanced poster who has an inbuilt vitriolic hatred for anything that is not labour, over to the weather forecast for a more insightful view on life in the UK
Politically, BJO and I agree on virtually nothing. But I think his assessment of Swinson might prove to be correct. A party leader who will make Leanne Wood look quite good.
If she's pissing off you and BJO she's probably doing ok.
Not pissing me off. Reckon she'll crash and burn.....
EDIT: and if you think mine and BJO's assessments are caustic, don't poke malcomg with a stick on the subject of Swinson....!
Your all just ludicrous old men who have a hatred for anything that challenges your perceived status quo
Maybe, but we have a level experience of things that annoyingly points us to being right....
Leaving aside the stupid aircraft carrier childish responses.
Just how is Ireland more powerful than the UK?
Because they are part of one of the geopolitical powers in the world. We are soon to be simply an isolated and withering, bitterly divided island nation.
yes, the way Germany rallied behind Ireland and the Mediterranean countries in 2011 was a selfless act of communautaire generosity
BoZo's bluster won over witless MPs and the Blue Rinse brigade of the Tory members, but other politicians, the press and the public aren't buying it any more.
This is not going to end well
It already hasn't.
It hasn't already ended.
Remainers keep promising it won't end for a decade.
Even after it has really ended.
Speak for yourself.
Johnson as PM is quite bad enough for an ending for me.
Leaving aside the stupid aircraft carrier childish responses.
Just how is Ireland more powerful than the UK?
Because they are part of one of the geopolitical powers in the world. We are soon to be simply an isolated and withering, bitterly divided island nation.
yes, the way Germany rallied behind Ireland and the Mediterranean countries in 2011 was a selfless act of communautaire generosity
Quite irrelevant.
not really
if youre a junior member of a club you dont get called to the committee meetings, you get told the outcome.
BoZo's bluster won over witless MPs and the Blue Rinse brigade of the Tory members, but other politicians, the press and the public aren't buying it any more.
This is not going to end well
It already hasn't.
It hasn't already ended.
Remainers keep promising it won't end for a decade.
Even after it has really ended.
Speak for yourself.
Johnson as PM is quite bad enough for an ending for me.
Why so? Up to now, the bull has spent his weeks in power tiptoeing around the china shop.....
Leaving aside the stupid aircraft carrier childish responses.
Just how is Ireland more powerful than the UK?
Because they are part of one of the geopolitical powers in the world. We are soon to be simply an isolated and withering, bitterly divided island nation.
No, we will still be in the top 10 economies in the world even with England alone, a G7 and G20 member and a permanent member of the UN Security Council unlike Ireland or the EU
Hmmm. Even for the most sunshiny, mega-optimistic No Deal scenario, the Fink is putting a bit too much faith in Boris's supreme powers of management, focus and dedication for my liking.
Leaving aside the stupid aircraft carrier childish responses.
Just how is Ireland more powerful than the UK?
Because they will be in a trading block of 27 countries and the U.K. will be in a block of one
a trading bloc which is about to trash their farmers.
How? With tariffs between 30-45% we won't be exporting any food to anywhere in Europe.
Suggest you read the Irish press, Varadkar has a major issue on his hand with rural ireland. In accepting an EU deal with Mercosur he has told beef farmers they will just have to suck up beef from Argentina and Brazil for the greater good. Irish farmers have a movement called Beef |Plan which is running protests across the country.
Leaving aside the stupid aircraft carrier childish responses.
Just how is Ireland more powerful than the UK?
Because they are part of one of the geopolitical powers in the world. We are soon to be simply an isolated and withering, bitterly divided island nation.
No, we will still be in the top 10 economies in the world even with England alone, a G7 and G20 member and a permanent member of the UN Security Council unlike Ireland or the EU
Keep popping those happy pills. We're going to need your unbridled detached sunshine when the lights go out.
Leaving aside the stupid aircraft carrier childish responses.
Just how is Ireland more powerful than the UK?
Because they are part of one of the geopolitical powers in the world. We are soon to be simply an isolated and withering, bitterly divided island nation.
No, we will still be in the top 10 economies in the world even with England alone, a G7 and G20 member and a permanent member of the UN Security Council unlike Ireland or the EU
Leaving aside the stupid aircraft carrier childish responses.
Just how is Ireland more powerful than the UK?
Because they are part of one of the geopolitical powers in the world. We are soon to be simply an isolated and withering, bitterly divided island nation.
No, we will still be in the top 10 economies in the world even with England alone, a G7 and G20 member and a permanent member of the UN Security Council unlike Ireland or the EU
Leaving aside the stupid aircraft carrier childish responses.
Just how is Ireland more powerful than the UK?
Because they are part of one of the geopolitical powers in the world. We are soon to be simply an isolated and withering, bitterly divided island nation.
No, we will still be in the top 10 economies in the world even with England alone, a G7 and G20 member and a permanent member of the UN Security Council unlike Ireland or the EU
I'm not Johnson's greatest fan. Even so, blaming Brexit Dealers for a No Deal when he himself is opposed to one, has to be the most dishonest - and weak - turn from our most feckless ever prime minister.
I guess he has test marketed the message on the tiny minds of his followers and got their approval.
Johnson certainly doesn't surprise on the upside, as people on this forum promised he would.
I'm not Johnson's greatest fan. Even so, blaming Brexit Dealers for a No Deal when he himself is opposed to one, has to be the most dishonest - and weak - turn from our most feckless ever prime minister.
I guess he has test marketed the message on the tiny minds of his followers and got their approval.
Johnson certainly doesn't surprise on the upside, as people on this forum promised be would.
our most feckless ever prime minister.
oh really. compared to Blair and Brown he's just a diletante
The most comically inept party leader in UK history More vacuous than Iain Duncan Smith, more self-righteous than Tim Farron, more wooden than Theresa May.
And a Bollox to stopping No Deal to boot, how must Davey feel losing to her
If she ever sinks to Corbyn-level approval ratings she really will have something o worry about.
I'm not Johnson's greatest fan. Even so, blaming Brexit Dealers for a No Deal when he himself is opposed to one, has to be the most dishonest - and weak - turn from our most feckless ever prime minister.
I guess he has test marketed the message on the tiny minds of his followers and got their approval.
Johnson certainly doesn't surprise on the upside, as people on this forum promised he would.
I don't remember seeing such promises and would be surprised if any sensible person would be gulled by them if they've been made.
To all the terminally joyless Remainers out there - put on some William Onyeabor, and you will be magically transported to the sunlit uplands of post-Brexit Britain.
The most comically inept party leader in UK history More vacuous than Iain Duncan Smith, more self-righteous than Tim Farron, more wooden than Theresa May.
And a Bollox to stopping No Deal to boot, how must Davey feel losing to her
Well that’s an informed intervention from a balanced poster who has an inbuilt vitriolic hatred for anything that is not labour, over to the weather forecast for a more insightful view on life in the UK
Politically, BJO and I agree on virtually nothing. But I think his assessment of Swinson might prove to be correct. A party leader who will make Leanne Wood look quite good.
Time will tell but right now it's just what you and BJO are hoping will be the case. Both your parties are likely to lose votes to the Lib Dems, all that remains to be seen is how many. While the alternatives are Corbyn and Bozo I suspect she will do OK.
Leaving aside the stupid aircraft carrier childish responses.
Just how is Ireland more powerful than the UK?
Because they are part of one of the geopolitical powers in the world. We are soon to be simply an isolated and withering, bitterly divided island nation.
So is Minnesota. They're not exactly heralded in the counsels of the world are they?
somewhere in my twitter history before he blocked me there is a tweet where he promises me my Danish wife will absolutely be able to carry on living and working in the UK after Brexit because of the pre- EC treaty between the UK and Denmark - utter bilge
The most comically inept party leader in UK history More vacuous than Iain Duncan Smith, more self-righteous than Tim Farron, more wooden than Theresa May.
And a Bollox to stopping No Deal to boot, how must Davey feel losing to her
Well that’s an informed intervention from a balanced poster who has an inbuilt vitriolic hatred for anything that is not labour, over to the weather forecast for a more insightful view on life in the UK
Politically, BJO and I agree on virtually nothing. But I think his assessment of Swinson might prove to be correct. A party leader who will make Leanne Wood look quite good.
If she's pissing off you and BJO she's probably doing ok.
Not pissing me off. Reckon she'll crash and burn.....
EDIT: and if you think mine and BJO's assessments are caustic, don't poke malcomg with a stick on the subject of Swinson....!
Chatting to LibDems, have been told they should expect an election either Oct 10 or Nov 7. That's not to say they know more thanwe do, but the first one - which would mean Johnson challenging Parliament to approve it on the first day back on Sept 3 - is intriguing.
Meanwhile, I see Biden's latest Iowa ad promises "strong and stable" leadership. Ah, yes, I remember it well...
Just had my Lib dem leaflet posted through my door.Saying the polls say they will take the seat York Outer from the Conservatives based on the European Elections. Good luck with that one .
Yes, quite, on 10.7% of the vote last time. But that's going to be a problem for anti-Tory tactical voters. Both Lab and LDs are going to have something to point to in order to show that only they are the One True Challenger. Labour will cite 2017. LDs will cite the Euros and/or the locals. In many seats, nobody will really know for sure who's right.
I wonder if the little Englanders will still hold Ireland in contempt once Great Britain has been balkanised.
Who here holds Ireland in contempt? I mean really? People have criticised the actions of their Prime Minister, is that not allowed? Brexit is driving some people here utterly insane.
The most comically inept party leader in UK history More vacuous than Iain Duncan Smith, more self-righteous than Tim Farron, more wooden than Theresa May.
And a Bollox to stopping No Deal to boot, how must Davey feel losing to her
Well that’s an informed intervention from a balanced poster who has an inbuilt vitriolic hatred for anything that is not labour, over to the weather forecast for a more insightful view on life in the UK
Politically, BJO and I agree on virtually nothing. But I think his assessment of Swinson might prove to be correct. A party leader who will make Leanne Wood look quite good.
If she's pissing off you and BJO she's probably doing ok.
Not pissing me off. Reckon she'll crash and burn.....
EDIT: and if you think mine and BJO's assessments are caustic, don't poke malcomg with a stick on the subject of Swinson....!
In case nobody has pointed this out, the signing rate on this revoke article 50 petition has been creeping up over the last coupla weeks. Is this like the guttering of a candle before it expires?
Train drivers are paid far too much, but they're able to maintain their pay by threatening to grind the country to a halt by going on strike at the drop of a hat. I look forward to the invention of teleportation.
Alternative (fairly Marxist) view: thanks to strong union representation train drivers are one of the few groups where salaries have kept pace with the rise in GDP over the last 40 years.
The fact that the rest of of us have salaries that have stagnated for decades whilst GDP has increased leaps and bounds is not their fault, but the rentier class loves to divide the working class by spreading discord between those who have managed to maintain their salaries & those who have lost out.
The Nordic countries all have sad, left-over Cold War relics like Corbyn. They look on them with nostalgic affection, and generally award them less than 10% of the vote.
The Nordic countries all have sad, left-over Cold War relics like Corbyn. They look on them with nostalgic affection, and generally award them less than 10% of the vote.
Greens refusing to expend carbon by going on holiday in August. Everybody else? Not so much.....
If the Greens could actually get their policies on the issues they focus on half-right it'd be a start. In their field they're pretty good at identifying issues, but hopeless as to solutions. Off their specialist subject they're simply trying to emulate green things, and failing to live up to the intellectual standards set by the average potato.
New Market: next GE - Chingford and Woodford Green (Con Maj 2,438; Iain Duncan Smith MP)
Con 1/2 Lab 6/4 LD 50/1
Cons way too short, Lab way too long?
Not if current polling is anywhere near accurate. Labour seem to have peaked too early.
IDS invariably gets half the votes. Labour improved a lot in 2017 to mop up all the anti-IDS votes but unless next time it really is different, IDS should be safe.
2017 Iain Duncan Smith 49.1% 2015 Iain Duncan Smith 47.9% 2010 Iain Duncan Smith 52.8% 2005 Iain Duncan Smith 53.2% 2001 Iain Duncan Smith 48.2% 1997 Iain Duncan Smith 47.5%
Just popped in and the bitterness on both sides is so sad and frankly not worthy of this great site
Will come back later when, hopefully, sensible debate occurs
Erm, in November, then?
Don't give up. Most of us are our usual amicable selves.
Next test match starts on Thursday, so 5 days of cricket talk to unite both remainers and leavers (except the ones who don't like cricket, the fools!)
“ the ones who don't like cricket, the fools! “
Oi!!! That’s me you’re talking about.
5 days of cricket sounds like absolute bloody Purgatory.
Watching other people do stuff can be boring. It's the main reason I've no tele. The price for that is an endless series of threatening letters from the "TV licence Gov" people. Funny thing is that I've got a number of TV-less friends.
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Well done that man.
Meanwhile, I see Biden's latest Iowa ad promises "strong and stable" leadership. Ah, yes, I remember it well...
This is not going to end well
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7375585/Muslim-teenager-kicked-ground-hijab-ripped-pelted-eggs.html
Oh wait
Social class D is "Semi-skilled and unskilled manual workers" many of whom will not be recieving any benefits at all.
Social class E is "State pensioners, casual and lowest grade workers, unemployed with state benefits only" of which the largest proportion is pensioners.
What a guy
Good luck with that one .
Just how is Ireland more powerful than the UK?
Thanks for confirming. Of course if some of them do not claim benefits at all they will be more likely to vote Tory but that will be a minority and mainly at the upper end of class D which is borderline skilled working class C2 anyway
Especially for manual labour.
EDIT: and if you think mine and BJO's assessments are caustic, don't poke malcomg with a stick on the subject of Swinson....!
Remainers keep promising it won't end for a decade.
Even after it has really ended.
Johnson as PM is quite bad enough for an ending for me.
if youre a junior member of a club you dont get called to the committee meetings, you get told the outcome.
Will come back later when, hopefully, sensible debate occurs
https://twitter.com/catsinbelfry/status/1163844390458183680?s=20
I guess he has test marketed the message on the tiny minds of his followers and got their approval.
Johnson certainly doesn't surprise on the upside, as people on this forum promised he would.
oh really. compared to Blair and Brown he's just a diletante
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/beruf-chance/umfrage-unternehmer-und-politiker-werden-immer-unbeliebter-16342995.html
Try this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyL4c_LDCl0
Don't give up. Most of us are our usual amicable selves.
SNP 5/6
Con 5/6
LD 25/1
Lab 100/1
(Shadsy)
Note: this was a Labour-held seat until just four years ago. Now they’re 100/1.
Con 1/2
Lab 6/4
LD 50/1
Fear and surprise.
Fetch - the Comfy Chair!
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584
LD 8/11
Lab EVS
Con 100/1
https://grapevine.is/news/2019/08/20/jeremy-corbyn-urges-iceland-to-declare-climate-emergency/
Just.
https://twitter.com/spikedonline/status/1163873996808630272?s=21
Oi!!! That’s me you’re talking about.
5 days of cricket sounds like absolute bloody Purgatory.
2017 Iain Duncan Smith 49.1%
2015 Iain Duncan Smith 47.9%
2010 Iain Duncan Smith 52.8%
2005 Iain Duncan Smith 53.2%
2001 Iain Duncan Smith 48.2%
1997 Iain Duncan Smith 47.5%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chingford_and_Woodford_Green_(UK_Parliament_constituency)