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It's confirmed. LD leader, Jo 'Swinson, has just sent this message out about Sarah Woolston MP pic.twitter.com/v8Keyi7I3F
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Surprising that parties don’t have a deposit scheme for candidates - if you leave during a parliament we keep your £25 k.
Would stop shysters like this Woolaston grifter getting elected on the Tory brand then pissing off on some sort of woke midlife crisis.
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Open primary in 2010 or not, she's now advocating a position on Brexit diametrically opposed to that on which she was elected in 2017 and should call a by-election pronto. I won't hold my breath.2
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Fourteenth! She adds a lot to the Lib Dems well beyond the Brexit arena. A real coup.2
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It all plays into the "us against them" narrative that Cummings and Johnson are surely planning for the snap election they hope to call...0
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Why? She was first elected as Sarah Wollaston not as a ConservativeEssexit said:Open primary in 2010 or not, she's now advocating a position on Brexit diametrically opposed to that on which she was elected in 2017 and should call a by-election pronto. I won't hold my breath.
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fpt for Scott P
Intriguing movements, tho.
I predict we are about to see the most interesting Autumn in British politics since the Putney Debates of October 1647.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putney_Debates
Hopefully, we will have to wait another 400 years for similar excitement.0 -
Open primaries. That was an idea which came and went.0
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Welcome aboard Dr Wollaston! always one of my favourite Tories.1
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This is a daring move from Corbyn. It could work.
Brexit might be cancelled.
EDIT: no it's not. He wants to be elected as a full-term prime minister BEFORE calling a referendum. What a moron. He is still undermining Remainers.
How can anyone vote for this decrepit fool?
EDITED EDIT: or maybe he's being clever?
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SCon/SLab slaughter again in today’s Survation:
https://www.survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Survation-Political-Poll.xlsx0 -
As far as I am aware Wollaston had no real history of campaigning for the Tories prior to selection in 2010, only joining the party in 2006 and while she was reasonably happy with Cameron and the Coalition with the LDs she struck me as more of a liberal than a conservative and very anti Brexit so this is no major surprise0
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Would you adopt the same attitude if a Lib Dem MP elected on a pro-second referendum platform started enthusiastically backing Brexit then defected to the Tories?MikeSmithson said:
Why? She was first elected as Sarah Wollaston not as a ConservativeEssexit said:Open primary in 2010 or not, she's now advocating a position on Brexit diametrically opposed to that on which she was elected in 2017 and should call a by-election pronto. I won't hold my breath.
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YesEssexit said:
Would you adopt the same attitude if a Lib Dem MP elected on a pro-second referendum platform started enthusiastically backing Brexit then defected to the Tories?MikeSmithson said:
Why? She was first elected as Sarah Wollaston not as a ConservativeEssexit said:Open primary in 2010 or not, she's now advocating a position on Brexit diametrically opposed to that on which she was elected in 2017 and should call a by-election pronto. I won't hold my breath.
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Hi Stuart - I remember Scottish subsamples when they were taken seriously. Happy days in 2009.StuartDickson said:SCon/SLab slaughter again in today’s Survation:
https://www.survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Survation-Political-Poll.xlsx
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Won’t be the last, surely?2
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That’s Stephen Lloyd give or take the Tory defection. Most Lib Dems respect his principles and recognise his strongly leave leaning seat in Eastbourne, but wish he hadn’t made the daft pledge he did.Essexit said:
Would you adopt the same attitude if a Lib Dem MP elected on a pro-second referendum platform started enthusiastically backing Brexit then defected to the Tories?MikeSmithson said:
Why? She was first elected as Sarah Wollaston not as a ConservativeEssexit said:Open primary in 2010 or not, she's now advocating a position on Brexit diametrically opposed to that on which she was elected in 2017 and should call a by-election pronto. I won't hold my breath.
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If you trust Corbyn with this, you're an idiot...0
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Yep.Slackbladder said:If you trust Corbyn with this, you're an idiot...
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Jeremy Corbyn will not win a majority at the next general election, and as a result, the Labour Party is making ‘overtures’ to the SNP with a promise of another independence referendum, Kezia Dugdale claimed today.
The former leader of the Scottish Labour Party also warned that if a second vote on independence was fought solely between the SNP and the Conservatives, because of a weak Labour Party, “you might get a different result”.
Asked if she believed Mr Corbyn would have an “arrangement” with the SNP to enable a minority Labour administration, she said: “One hundred per cent. Again, if you’re looking at the electoral math, and you’re John McDonnell - who is a very smart and astute man - you have to work out what your path to power is.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/kezia-dugdale-labour-s-electoral-maths-means-jeremy-corbyn-won-t-win-a-general-election-1-49838970 -
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Ah, but at least he made that pledge during the election. Sarah Wollaston, to the best of my knowledge, did no such thing.tpfkar said:
That’s Stephen Lloyd give or take the Tory defection. Most Lib Dems respect his principles and recognise his strongly leave leaning seat in Eastbourne, but wish he hadn’t made the daft pledge he did.Essexit said:
Would you adopt the same attitude if a Lib Dem MP elected on a pro-second referendum platform started enthusiastically backing Brexit then defected to the Tories?MikeSmithson said:
Why? She was first elected as Sarah Wollaston not as a ConservativeEssexit said:Open primary in 2010 or not, she's now advocating a position on Brexit diametrically opposed to that on which she was elected in 2017 and should call a by-election pronto. I won't hold my breath.
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I do not recall that vote being passed...TGOHF said:
In any case, I think she wants all 650 seats to have an election.0 -
AT least something has started as opposed to the deafening silence of the last few weeksFoxy said:
One or two per week, with the Boris majority gone by the time parliament reconvenes.IanB2 said:Won’t be the last, surely?
Corbyn's move is interesting, and with 3 weeks to horsetrade on who forms the GNU.0 -
Who knows any more? We've had ludicrous proposals for getting rid of Boris today. One from each side. Kinnock Jnr producing a ghost army of 50, no less, Labour MPs to vote for the WDA. That would get rid of Boris. So he wouldn't bring it forward if it were true. Which it isn't.Byronic said:This is a daring move from Corbyn. It could work.
Brexit might be cancelled.
EDIT: no it's not. He wants to be elected as a full-term prime minister BEFORE calling a referendum. What a moron. He is still undermining Remainers.
How can anyone vote for this decrepit fool?
EDITED EDIT: or maybe he's being clever?
I'll shut up for a bit, now.
Tugendhat suggesting we up sticks and leave on August 24 without warning. Leaving tourists without insurance or driving permits, and goods in transit with no idea of their status. And probably record stock market and currency falls. That too would get rid of Boris, as he'd be VONCed in a shot, as well as deserving to be for being even more of a Buffoon than his most serious detractors had given credence to.
What cunning plans will tomorrow bring I wonder?0 -
I can't see any Tory Remainer giving Corbyn his caretaker government, even if the hounds of Hades were at Dover.0
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Let's see. Anti-brexit then leaves the Conservative Party. What an honourable move. But wait. You are anti-brexit. When exactly will you be leaving the Conservative Party?HYUFD said:As far as I am aware Wollaston had no real history of campaigning for the Tories prior to selection in 2010, only joining the party in 2006 and while she was reasonably happy with Cameron and the Coalition with the LDs she struck me as more of a liberal than a conservative and very anti Brexit so this is no major surprise
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Boris Johnson to serve longer as PM than...
May EVS
Cameron 9/2
Churchill 16/1
Blair 20/1
Thatcher 33/1
Pitt the Younger 66/1
Walpole 100/1
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The Liberal Undemocrats are welcome to her.1
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There is not a single MP I detest more than Sarah Wollaston: who joined the Leave campaign SOLELY as a way to advance her career, when she had obviously planned - with her dear friend Dave Cameron - to later defect from the same Leave campaign, and join the Remainers. At a particularly "advantageous" moment for Remain.TGOHF said:
Sadly for her, it totally failed. Because it was so painfully obvious. So she then went from ardent Leaver to reluctant Remainer to..... actively campaigning for a 2nd referendum in favour of Remain?!?!
God help us.
Sarah Wollaston is the very definition of unprincipled careerism - and, therefore, everything that is wrong with British politics. She is a traitor to herself, let alone the rest of us. She is a night-hag of hypocrisy. Hope she loses Totnes.2 -
Now then Dan, consider this for a moment. She calls a by-election and wins. Every SW seat that is Tory-LD is now most definitely in play, whereas tonight we are merely speculating.TGOHF said:
Go ahead punk make my day.0 -
Is this Boris' gameplan? To be ousted by an "undemocractic" coup, call an election, ride to victory?Scott_P said:0 -
She speaks well of you also.Byronic said:
There is not a single MP I detest more than Sarah Wollaston: who joined the Leave campaign SOLELY as a way to advance her career, when she had obviously planned - with her dear friend Dave Cameron - to later defect from the same Leave campaign, and join the Remainers. At a particularly "advantageous" moment for Remain.TGOHF said:
Sadly for her, it totally failed. Because it was so painfully obvious. So she then went from ardent Leaver to reluctant Remainer to..... actively campaigning for a 2nd referendum in favour of Remain?!?!
God help us.
Sarah Wollaston is the very definition of unprincipled careerism - and, therefore, everything that is wrong with British politics. She is a traitor to herself, let alone the rest of us. She is a night-hag of hypocrisy. Hope she loses Totnes.0 -
The op is right, Chukka was the first
Suspect he meant 'not the last'0 -
Yes, these people who flip and flop between Remain and Leave are dreadful and should really have made more of an effort to work out what they think.Byronic said:
There is not a single MP I detest more than Sarah Wollaston: who joined the Leave campaign SOLELY as a way to advance her career, when she had obviously planned - with her dear friend Dave Cameron - to later defect from the same Leave campaign, and join the Remainers. At a particularly "advantageous" moment for Remain.TGOHF said:
Sadly for her, it totally failed. Because it was so painfully obvious. So she then went from ardent Leaver to reluctant Remainer to..... actively campaigning for a 2nd referendum in favour of Remain?!?!
God help us.
Sarah Wollaston is the very definition of unprincipled careerism - and, therefore, everything that is wrong with British politics. She is a traitor to herself, let alone the rest of us. She is a night-hag of hypocrisy. Hope she loses Totnes.0 -
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Not at all, it actually has SCons on 23%, only 6% down on 2017 and still 8% up on their lowpoint of 2015, SLab meanwhile has plunged to just 14%, 13% down on 2017 and 10% down on 2015 so for Labour you are correct if not the Tories.StuartDickson said:SCon/SLab slaughter again in today’s Survation:
https://www.survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Survation-Political-Poll.xlsx
SNP still only up to 40%, still only 3% up on 2017 and 10% down from its 2015 peak
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Put Sir Keir Starmer as caretaker PM and we’re talking.0
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Interesting article:
"If the 20th century was the age of ideology, it has been replaced by an era of subjectivity and competing truths. A few on the extreme fringes still cling to grand narratives – the Islamic State for example – but most big ideas have slipped away. Today we each shape our own narrative. We choose what is true based on our own solipsistic inclinations. The result is a hyper-individualised political climate where concepts such as objectivity and impartiality have passed out of fashion."
https://unherd.com/2019/08/the-war-against-objectivity/0 -
Welcome back.Anabobazina said:Put Sir Keir Starmer as caretaker PM and we’re talking.
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If I were an MP thar retort might have more bite. But, you know, I'm not. So it don't.IanB2 said:
Yes, these people who flip and flop between Remain and Leave are dreadful and should really have made more of an effort to work out what they think.Byronic said:
There is not a single MP I detest more than Sarah Wollaston: who joined the Leave campaign SOLELY as a way to advance her career, when she had obviously planned - with her dear friend Dave Cameron - to later defect from the same Leave campaign, and join the Remainers. At a particularly "advantageous" moment for Remain.TGOHF said:
Sadly for her, it totally failed. Because it was so painfully obvious. So she then went from ardent Leaver to reluctant Remainer to..... actively campaigning for a 2nd referendum in favour of Remain?!?!
God help us.
Sarah Wollaston is the very definition of unprincipled careerism - and, therefore, everything that is wrong with British politics. She is a traitor to herself, let alone the rest of us. She is a night-hag of hypocrisy. Hope she loses Totnes.
I'm just an ex male model in Richmond, expressing herself.
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If a person is elected as a Conservative and turns out to be a lib dem, you should be able to send them back. Just as if you order the fish and it turns out to be a hamburger.Gallowgate said:0 -
Dr Sarah Wollaston is “everything that is wrong with British politics”. How I have missed the eloquent hyperbole of PB.Byronic said:
There is not a single MP I detest more than Sarah Wollaston: who joined the Leave campaign SOLELY as a way to advance her career, when she had obviously planned - with her dear friend Dave Cameron - to later defect from the same Leave campaign, and join the Remainers. At a particularly "advantageous" moment for Remain.TGOHF said:
Sadly for her, it totally failed. Because it was so painfully obvious. So she then went from ardent Leaver to reluctant Remainer to..... actively campaigning for a 2nd referendum in favour of Remain?!?!
God help us.
Sarah Wollaston is the very definition of unprincipled careerism - and, therefore, everything that is wrong with British politics. She is a traitor to herself, let alone the rest of us. She is a night-hag of hypocrisy. Hope she loses Totnes.0 -
It will actually be between the SNP and the Tories and LDs with Leonard still technically in the latter camp even if not Corbyn and McDonnellStuartDickson said:Jeremy Corbyn will not win a majority at the next general election, and as a result, the Labour Party is making ‘overtures’ to the SNP with a promise of another independence referendum, Kezia Dugdale claimed today.
The former leader of the Scottish Labour Party also warned that if a second vote on independence was fought solely between the SNP and the Conservatives, because of a weak Labour Party, “you might get a different result”.
Asked if she believed Mr Corbyn would have an “arrangement” with the SNP to enable a minority Labour administration, she said: “One hundred per cent. Again, if you’re looking at the electoral math, and you’re John McDonnell - who is a very smart and astute man - you have to work out what your path to power is.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/kezia-dugdale-labour-s-electoral-maths-means-jeremy-corbyn-won-t-win-a-general-election-1-49838970 -
Won't be the first?
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Welcome @Anabobazina. Always nice to see new faces on here.Anabobazina said:Put Sir Keir Starmer as caretaker PM and we’re talking.
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Put Keir Starmer as PM, exile the trots to North Korea, and sit back to enjoy @NickPalmer tell us how he has always been a centrist pragmatic Labour Party member.Anabobazina said:Put Sir Keir Starmer as caretaker PM and we’re talking.
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Next UK GE - Richmond Park (Con MAJ 45, Goldsmith)
LD 2/5
Con 7/4
Lab 100/1
(Ladbrokes)
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No I respect the Leave result Deal or No Deal, I also have a long history of campaigning for the party unlike Wollaston who only joined the party 4 years before electionTOPPING said:
Let's see. Anti-brexit then leaves the Conservative Party. What an honourable move. But wait. You are anti-brexit. When exactly will you be leaving the Conservative Party?HYUFD said:As far as I am aware Wollaston had no real history of campaigning for the Tories prior to selection in 2010, only joining the party in 2006 and while she was reasonably happy with Cameron and the Coalition with the LDs she struck me as more of a liberal than a conservative and very anti Brexit so this is no major surprise
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Again, how would that work?kyf_100 said:
If a person is elected as a Conservative and turns out to be a lib dem, you should be able to send them back. Just as if you order the fish and it turns out to be a hamburger.Gallowgate said:0 -
I wonder if the Corbyn letter is the first move? After all, that has to be officially declared a no-go some reasonable time before Parliament returns, doesn't it?Anabobazina said:Put Sir Keir Starmer as caretaker PM and we’re talking.
Otherwise, why write it now? Why not just wait?0 -
"Lib Dems have immediately dismissed the idea, saying too many MPs are unwilling to work with Corbyn"
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What's more Chukka would be exhausted.Gallowgate said:0 -
RobD said:
Welcome back.Anabobazina said:Put Sir Keir Starmer as caretaker PM and we’re talking.
Cheers. Couldn’t quote or reply so had to re-register.RobD said:
Welcome back.Anabobazina said:Put Sir Keir Starmer as caretaker PM and we’re talking.
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Con 2/5
Lab 7/4
LD 100/1
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Tissue_Price said:
Welcome @Anabobazina. Always nice to see new faces on here.Anabobazina said:Put Sir Keir Starmer as caretaker PM and we’re talking.
🤔Tissue_Price said:
Welcome @Anabobazina. Always nice to see new faces on here.Anabobazina said:Put Sir Keir Starmer as caretaker PM and we’re talking.
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Were you banned?Anabobazina said:RobD said:
Welcome back.Anabobazina said:Put Sir Keir Starmer as caretaker PM and we’re talking.
Cheers. Couldn’t quote or reply so had to re-register.RobD said:
Welcome back.Anabobazina said:Put Sir Keir Starmer as caretaker PM and we’re talking.
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You are anti-Brexit. You campaigned for the party when it was sensible. Just like I did. The party has changed. Someone of your integrity, steadfastness, and resolve has of course not changed their position. You are in the wrong party.HYUFD said:
No I respect the Leave result Deal or No Deal, I also have a long history of campaigning for the party unlike Wollaston who only joined the party 4 years before electionTOPPING said:
Let's see. Anti-brexit then leaves the Conservative Party. What an honourable move. But wait. You are anti-brexit. When exactly will you be leaving the Conservative Party?HYUFD said:As far as I am aware Wollaston had no real history of campaigning for the Tories prior to selection in 2010, only joining the party in 2006 and while she was reasonably happy with Cameron and the Coalition with the LDs she struck me as more of a liberal than a conservative and very anti Brexit so this is no major surprise
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Survation also has 56% of 2019 EP elections Brexit Party voters now voting Tory but 81% of 2019 EP elections LDs still voting LD
https://www.survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Survation-Political-Poll.xlsx0 -
Here's how to maximise the current shit show:
1. VoNC in Boris Johnson
2. MPs have confidence in Jeremy Corbyn
3. Jeremy Corbyn becomes PM
4. Jeremy Corbyn secures extension
5. VoNC in Jeremy Corbyn
6. MPs have confidence in Boris Johnson
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TOPPING said:
Put Keir Starmer as PM, exile the trots to North Korea, and sit back to enjoy @NickPalmer tell us how he has always been a centrist pragmatic Labour Party member.Anabobazina said:Put Sir Keir Starmer as caretaker PM and we’re talking.
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Corbyn has just put the hardcore remainers on the Tory benches in an incredibly difficult position.
Does Grieve find leaving the EU more terrifying than putting an individual like Corbyn in Downing St.2 -
The MP for Eastbourne, of course, left the LibDems over his support for Mrs May's Withdrawal Agreement.Essexit said:
Would you adopt the same attitude if a Lib Dem MP elected on a pro-second referendum platform started enthusiastically backing Brexit then defected to the Tories?MikeSmithson said:
Why? She was first elected as Sarah Wollaston not as a ConservativeEssexit said:Open primary in 2010 or not, she's now advocating a position on Brexit diametrically opposed to that on which she was elected in 2017 and should call a by-election pronto. I won't hold my breath.
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I am not Brexit Party, I am not LD, I am ToryTOPPING said:
You are anti-Brexit. You campaigned for the party when it was sensible. Just like I did. The party has changed. Someone of your integrity, steadfastness, and resolve has of course not changed their position. You are in the wrong party.HYUFD said:
No I respect the Leave result Deal or No Deal, I also have a long history of campaigning for the party unlike Wollaston who only joined the party 4 years before electionTOPPING said:
Let's see. Anti-brexit then leaves the Conservative Party. What an honourable move. But wait. You are anti-brexit. When exactly will you be leaving the Conservative Party?HYUFD said:As far as I am aware Wollaston had no real history of campaigning for the Tories prior to selection in 2010, only joining the party in 2006 and while she was reasonably happy with Cameron and the Coalition with the LDs she struck me as more of a liberal than a conservative and very anti Brexit so this is no major surprise
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Unlike the Euro elections when you select a party list in a general election you choose an individual. The idea of even naming a candidate's party on the Ballot paper is relatively newkyf_100 said:
If a person is elected as a Conservative and turns out to be a lib dem, you should be able to send them back. Just as if you order the fish and it turns out to be a hamburger.Gallowgate said:1 -
Certainly it seems unlikely that any Tory, and even some Labour, MPs would want to see Corbyn made PM. But the Mail story suggests Corbyn is promising ref2 (the Telegraph said it would be a GE, which would be less attractive to Tory remainers just at the moment). If Corbyn really is promising ref2 then this could put the LDs and Labour remainers on the spot - whatever else you may say about him he is a man of his word (unlike Johnson) and there is every reason to suppose he could deliver ref2 - there would certainly be a Commons majority for it if the Labour front bench backed it.rottenborough said:I can't see any Tory Remainer giving Corbyn his caretaker government, even if the hounds of Hades were at Dover.
So why are the Tory press talking up the possibility?
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No!RobD said:
Were you banned?Anabobazina said:RobD said:
Welcome back.Anabobazina said:Put Sir Keir Starmer as caretaker PM and we’re talking.
Cheers. Couldn’t quote or reply so had to re-register.RobD said:
Welcome back.Anabobazina said:Put Sir Keir Starmer as caretaker PM and we’re talking.
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If you’re happy with the SCons losing half their seats, then fine by me.HYUFD said:
Not at all, it actually has SCons on 23%, only 6% down on 2017 and still 8% up on their lowpoint of 2015, SLab meanwhile has plunged to just 14%, 13% down on 2017 and 10% down on 2015 so for Labour you are correct if not the Tories.StuartDickson said:SCon/SLab slaughter again in today’s Survation:
https://www.survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Survation-Political-Poll.xlsx
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All those Tories who said that holding open primaries was a terrible idea will say they've been proved right by Wollaston's defection. Another David Cameron idea that hasn't quite worked out the way he intended, (along with the referendum result).0
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The way this page loaded only showed the header photo from the eyebrows up. It left me wondering what part Hezza was playing in this imbroglio.0
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He’d be kicked out of Labour if he tried.Anabobazina said:Put Sir Keir Starmer as caretaker PM and we’re talking.
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Brilliant by Jezza - killed off the VONC and ensured No Deal in a single deft stroke. Boris will be paralysed with grief tonight.0
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For a Tory, you have a very strange fondness for the Brexit Party. You seem to think that they are your chums. They aren’t.HYUFD said:
I am not Brexit Party, I am not LD, I am ToryTOPPING said:
You are anti-Brexit. You campaigned for the party when it was sensible. Just like I did. The party has changed. Someone of your integrity, steadfastness, and resolve has of course not changed their position. You are in the wrong party.HYUFD said:
No I respect the Leave result Deal or No Deal, I also have a long history of campaigning for the party unlike Wollaston who only joined the party 4 years before electionTOPPING said:
Let's see. Anti-brexit then leaves the Conservative Party. What an honourable move. But wait. You are anti-brexit. When exactly will you be leaving the Conservative Party?HYUFD said:As far as I am aware Wollaston had no real history of campaigning for the Tories prior to selection in 2010, only joining the party in 2006 and while she was reasonably happy with Cameron and the Coalition with the LDs she struck me as more of a liberal than a conservative and very anti Brexit so this is no major surprise
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Are you thick?Gallowgate said:
Again, how would that work?kyf_100 said:
If a person is elected as a Conservative and turns out to be a lib dem, you should be able to send them back. Just as if you order the fish and it turns out to be a hamburger.Gallowgate said:
I'm suggesting that if a person elected as, for example, Conservative on their ballot paper crosses the floor and takes, for example, the lib dem whip, the recall of mps act 2015 should be amended such as to make this one of the allowable circumstances that would trigger the recall process.
Got it?
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It's always sad when an aging gammon, pink face shining, beer gut wobbling, wallet held tight to the sweaty hand, rages against the dying of the light.Theuniondivvie said:0 -
You forgot to mention that you voted Remain this time, but glad to here that you are gender fluid. It is a demographic sorely lacking in PB land. Probably...Byronic said:
If I were an MP thar retort might have more bite. But, you know, I'm not. So it don't.IanB2 said:
Yes, these people who flip and flop between Remain and Leave are dreadful and should really have made more of an effort to work out what they think.Byronic said:
There is not a single MP I detest more than Sarah Wollaston: who joined the Leave campaign SOLELY as a way to advance her career, when she had obviously planned - with her dear friend Dave Cameron - to later defect from the same Leave campaign, and join the Remainers. At a particularly "advantageous" moment for Remain.TGOHF said:
Sadly for her, it totally failed. Because it was so painfully obvious. So she then went from ardent Leaver to reluctant Remainer to..... actively campaigning for a 2nd referendum in favour of Remain?!?!
God help us.
Sarah Wollaston is the very definition of unprincipled careerism - and, therefore, everything that is wrong with British politics. She is a traitor to herself, let alone the rest of us. She is a night-hag of hypocrisy. Hope she loses Totnes.
I'm just an ex male model in Richmond, expressing herself.0 -
You are Sean_T and I claim my €5.41Byronic said:If I were an MP thar retort might have more bite. But, you know, I'm not. So it don't.
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Theuniondivvie said:Theuniondivvie said:
And yet Dr Sarah Wollaston is the personification of everything wrong with British politics according to Sean.Theuniondivvie said:0 -
I wish I had the luxury of taking a 16 day sailing holiday every time my job required me to be in new York...Theuniondivvie said:0 -
Like many posters on here, I am conflicted, I am naturally conservative but abhor Johnson, Corbyn and his cohorts, will never ever get my vote, I want to remain, but I am not a good fit for the Lib Dems. I think I will soon have to make my mind up.
In response to life expectancy in Scotland, I once visited Wetherspoons in Dundee, and what a depressing experience, middle aged men literally drinking themselves to death, only pausing to go outside to smoke.
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No. So if Sarah Wollaston stayed in the Tories but rebelled on every vote, would that trigger a by election? If one was kicked out of a party, would that trigger a by election?kyf_100 said:
Are you thick?Gallowgate said:
Again, how would that work?kyf_100 said:
If a person is elected as a Conservative and turns out to be a lib dem, you should be able to send them back. Just as if you order the fish and it turns out to be a hamburger.Gallowgate said:
I'm suggesting that if a person elected as, for example, Conservative on their ballot paper crosses the floor and takes, for example, the lib dem whip, the recall of mps act 2015 should be amended such as to make this one of the allowable circumstances that would trigger the recall process.
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Nah, we have just entered the negotiation period on how the post VONC government is to be formed..Stark_Dawning said:Brilliant by Jezza - killed off the VONC and ensured No Deal in a single deft stroke. Boris will be paralysed with grief tonight.
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Well, it makes a change from forgetting the passwordAnabobazina said:RobD said:
Welcome back.Anabobazina said:Put Sir Keir Starmer as caretaker PM and we’re talking.
Cheers. Couldn’t quote or reply so had to re-register.RobD said:
Welcome back.Anabobazina said:Put Sir Keir Starmer as caretaker PM and we’re talking.
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No you aren't. You disagree with the Tory's flagship policy. You are not one of them. They have left you.HYUFD said:
I am not Brexit Party, I am not LD, I am ToryTOPPING said:
You are anti-Brexit. You campaigned for the party when it was sensible. Just like I did. The party has changed. Someone of your integrity, steadfastness, and resolve has of course not changed their position. You are in the wrong party.HYUFD said:
No I respect the Leave result Deal or No Deal, I also have a long history of campaigning for the party unlike Wollaston who only joined the party 4 years before electionTOPPING said:
Let's see. Anti-brexit then leaves the Conservative Party. What an honourable move. But wait. You are anti-brexit. When exactly will you be leaving the Conservative Party?HYUFD said:As far as I am aware Wollaston had no real history of campaigning for the Tories prior to selection in 2010, only joining the party in 2006 and while she was reasonably happy with Cameron and the Coalition with the LDs she struck me as more of a liberal than a conservative and very anti Brexit so this is no major surprise
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Is he doing that? It seems opaqueanothernick said:
Certainly it seems unlikely that any Tory, and even some Labour, MPs would want to see Corbyn made PM. But the Mail story suggests Corbyn is promising ref2 (the Telegraph said it would be a GE, which would be less attractive to Tory remainers just at the moment). If Corbyn really is promising ref2 then this could put the LDs and Labour remainers on the spot - whatever else you may say about him he is a man of his word (unlike Johnson) and there is every reason to suppose he could deliver ref2 - there would certainly be a Commons majority for it if the Labour front bench backed it.rottenborough said:I can't see any Tory Remainer giving Corbyn his caretaker government, even if the hounds of Hades were at Dover.
So why are the Tory press talking up the possibility?
Intriguing.
If he was talking about a time-limited GNU which then called a 2nd ref and THEN had an election, fair nuff. But he isn't, I don't think. He's calling for a time-limited Labour gov which will ask for an EXTENSION (not a new ref) and will THEN seek a new GE in which Labour will promise to offer Remain as an OPTION in a mooted new referendum.
This plan is Swiss-Cheesed with holes. There are so many ways in which Corbyn could back off, and stay as PM. Anyone who supports it is mad.
The Corbynites really are Maoists, Their end justifies any means.
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When I started posting you were a pro-European Clintonite soft Tory, a moderate. These days you are a Brexiteer Trumpton. A scary journey for reasons unclear.HYUFD said:
I am not Brexit Party, I am not LD, I am ToryTOPPING said:
You are anti-Brexit. You campaigned for the party when it was sensible. Just like I did. The party has changed. Someone of your integrity, steadfastness, and resolve has of course not changed their position. You are in the wrong party.HYUFD said:
No I respect the Leave result Deal or No Deal, I also have a long history of campaigning for the party unlike Wollaston who only joined the party 4 years before electionTOPPING said:
Let's see. Anti-brexit then leaves the Conservative Party. What an honourable move. But wait. You are anti-brexit. When exactly will you be leaving the Conservative Party?HYUFD said:As far as I am aware Wollaston had no real history of campaigning for the Tories prior to selection in 2010, only joining the party in 2006 and while she was reasonably happy with Cameron and the Coalition with the LDs she struck me as more of a liberal than a conservative and very anti Brexit so this is no major surprise
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