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One of the current big political issues in Washington at the moment is a series of Trump Tweets yesterday attacking elected female Democratic members of Congress for their criticism of him particularly over the regime he’s imposed on immigrants in border camps.
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Have done with being outraged byTrump. Just hope Bolton doesn't talk him into War.0
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Boris's first PMQs will be in the autumn.0
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Good thread Mike. They were rather shocking tweets.
He'll get away with it I'm sure. Boris is Boris, Donald is Donald0 -
What does the next PM say about Trump?
Boris will probably say the four Democrats have nice watermellon smiles etc...0 -
It looks like the Brexit Party will be demanding that Boris sack Liam Fox for insufficient zeal.
https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/11507200770854543360 -
'Supplicant', Mike? I thought our Soveriegnity was about to return once we threw off the cursed yoke of the EU.
Surely we are not replacing servitude to the EU with servitude to the USA?0 -
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And yet Jeremy is not Jeremy, Jo is not Jo, etc.JBriskinindyref2 said:Good thread Mike. They were rather shocking tweets.
He'll get away with it I'm sure. Boris is Boris, Donald is Donald
Very odd.0 -
The question we need to ask is, does this impact Trump's re-election chances ?0
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I doubt itPulpstar said:The question we need to ask is, does this impact Trump's re-election chances ?
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Labour party racism is vigorously opposed to people going back to where they originated from, if you think about it.Peter_the_Punter said:
And yet Jeremy is not Jeremy, Jo is not Jo, etc.JBriskinindyref2 said:Good thread Mike. They were rather shocking tweets.
He'll get away with it I'm sure. Boris is Boris, Donald is Donald
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I’m not sure about that; apart from anything else, it will almost certainly reduce the amount of Democratic infighting.MikeSmithson said:
I doubt itPulpstar said:The question we need to ask is, does this impact Trump's re-election chances ?
...probably the most overtly racist public comments that he’s made....
Probably is a bit strong; there’s quite a bit of competition.0 -
Ah, the some of my best friends defence (except he doesn’t have any friends, just courtiers and allies of convenience)...
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/453048-top-pence-aide-trumps-intent-wasnt-racist-in-attacks-on-progressive
Short disputed the charge that Trump is racist, noting that he has an Asian-American Cabinet official in Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao. He also cited a naturalization ceremony for new citizens that Pence and Chao attended on Independence Day.
Trump did not attend that ceremony, as he was at his golf club in Virginia.0 -
Robespierre to the Guillotine!williamglenn said:It looks like the Brexit Party will be demanding that Boris sack Liam Fox for insufficient zeal.
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I see Tice is back on about believing.Foxy said:
Robespierre to the Guillotine!williamglenn said:It looks like the Brexit Party will be demanding that Boris sack Liam Fox for insufficient zeal.
https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1150720077085454336
When will these people grow up and realise, like adults do, that simply believing in things doesn't make them true.0 -
When is Elaine Chao going "home"?Nigelb said:Ah, the some of my best friends defence (except he doesn’t have any friends, just courtiers and allies of convenience)...
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/453048-top-pence-aide-trumps-intent-wasnt-racist-in-attacks-on-progressive
Short disputed the charge that Trump is racist, noting that he has an Asian-American Cabinet official in Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao. He also cited a naturalization ceremony for new citizens that Pence and Chao attended on Independence Day.
Trump did not attend that ceremony, as he was at his golf club in Virginia.0 -
Even by Trump standards, it is quite an incredible outburst.0
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It will play well with most of his base, many of whom, frankly, know that 'Make America Great Again' clearly means 'Make America White Again'.MikeSmithson said:
I doubt itPulpstar said:The question we need to ask is, does this impact Trump's re-election chances ?
But 8% of blacks voted for him. 1 or 2% coming back to Dems could matter in 2020.0 -
Given she was born in Taipei, I guess *where* is also a geopolitical questionrottenborough said:
When is Elaine Chao going "home"?Nigelb said:Ah, the some of my best friends defence (except he doesn’t have any friends, just courtiers and allies of convenience)...
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/453048-top-pence-aide-trumps-intent-wasnt-racist-in-attacks-on-progressive
Short disputed the charge that Trump is racist, noting that he has an Asian-American Cabinet official in Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao. He also cited a naturalization ceremony for new citizens that Pence and Chao attended on Independence Day.
Trump did not attend that ceremony, as he was at his golf club in Virginia.0 -
Clinton held an 80-point advantage among blacks (88% to 8%) compared with Obama’s 87-point edge four years ago (93% to 6%). (Pew Research)
Biden or Harris could pull some of that back, especially if the Racist in Chief isn't kept away from Twitter.0 -
Not until they get us over the line protect their off shore tax havens and make a fortune out of chaos. Then the only work they will do is to turn the U.K. into a sink deregulated economy where they can make more money whilst the rest of the population can enjoy their hard won freedomrottenborough said:
I see Tice is back on about believing.Foxy said:
Robespierre to the Guillotine!williamglenn said:It looks like the Brexit Party will be demanding that Boris sack Liam Fox for insufficient zeal.
https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1150720077085454336
When will these people grow up and realise, like adults do, that simply believing in things doesn't make them true.0 -
I'm still waiting for that pivot to the centre.0
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And that's if he is very lucky.DecrepitJohnL said:Boris's first PMQs will be in the autumn.
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From Trump or the democrats? Both seem to get going further to the extremes.AlastairMeeks said:I'm still waiting for that pivot to the centre.
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Boris Johnson follows the ideas of those he surrounds himself with. It looks as though he's going to surround himself with the most extreme Brexit zealots. Expect government policy to be set accordingly.0
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The old imperial masters seem to crave imperial servitude. Stockholm syndrome?Peter_the_Punter said:'Supplicant', Mike? I thought our Soveriegnity was about to return once we threw off the cursed yoke of the EU.
Surely we are not replacing servitude to the EU with servitude to the USA?0 -
Yes, that is a massive worry.dixiedean said:Have done with being outraged byTrump. Just hope Bolton doesn't talk him into War.
It would only take the Iranians to do something a bit stupid in the Strait on a day when Donald is in a foul mood because of his golf score and...0 -
You can come back now. So far, not a word.Cyclefree said:** checks in **
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This is an interesting, and appalling story about the large scale non-investigation of rape evidence in the US. Does it go on here ?
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/08/an-epidemic-of-disbelief/592807/0 -
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1150759486556180480
That's definitely two for a VoNC I reckon. Clarke being the other.0 -
I think a more correct term in your strawman would be switchesStuartDickson said:
The old imperial masters seem to crave imperial servitude. Stockholm syndrome?Peter_the_Punter said:'Supplicant', Mike? I thought our Soveriegnity was about to return once we threw off the cursed yoke of the EU.
Surely we are not replacing servitude to the EU with servitude to the USA?0 -
May is probably a third - and there will be more. Just look for any sane Tory retiring or potentially in the near future...rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1150759486556180480
That's definitely two for a VoNC I reckon. Clarke being the other.0 -
Surely Grieve, Lee and Bebb can be added too?rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1150759486556180480
That's definitely two for a VoNC I reckon. Clarke being the other.0 -
As a fellow grifter, she gets a pass.rottenborough said:
When is Elaine Chao going "home"?Nigelb said:Ah, the some of my best friends defence (except he doesn’t have any friends, just courtiers and allies of convenience)...
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/453048-top-pence-aide-trumps-intent-wasnt-racist-in-attacks-on-progressive
Short disputed the charge that Trump is racist, noting that he has an Asian-American Cabinet official in Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao. He also cited a naturalization ceremony for new citizens that Pence and Chao attended on Independence Day.
Trump did not attend that ceremony, as he was at his golf club in Virginia.
https://www.businessinsider.com/elaine-chao-diverted-federal-grants-to-kentucky-report-2019-6?r=US&IR=T
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While it is pretty insane that the President of a nation of immigrants should tell anyone to "go home", the despicable Trump has lowered expectations to the point that most people just shrug.
However I do think that this could be the alt-right's last hurrah on both sides of the pond. The level of corruption and lies may be corrosive of democracy in general, but the polls are showing that the right are indeed getting the blame first. Meanwhile the demographic that almost literally sold its soul to Trump- the religious right and the NRA- are facing meltdown. While I know we are supposed to be scared of the boogeyman, the fact is that Trump is seen as being a weak and cowardly leader (and indeed a vile and unpleasant human being).
Farage as the giggling accolyte to Trump is unpopular in the extreme and if there is wrong doing at TBP concerning the leaks of Sir Kim Darroch's cables, then I think that the "Perp Walk" of any TBP figure will concentrate quite a few minds.
Equally, allying to Trump will make Johnson even more unpopular than he already is- and lets face it, Johnson could only win a GE by gaming the FPTP system in the same way that Trump did, because the chances look pretty low that he even breaks 26% of the vote. Trumpism- corrupt and Russian supported, is deeply unpopular and if Johnson allies himself to it, he will be shackling himself to a political corpse.
The UK situation is of course still very volatile, but whereas Theresa May gets some pity, and even some respect, Johnson will have no honeymoon at all. Adding support for Trump to the charge list of recklessness and arrogant incompetence could will be the straw that breaks the Tory back. I think TBP will mirror UKIP or even the Referendum Party and hurt the Tories without winning enough themselves, but meanwhile the Tories get strung up by the Liberal Democrats. In 1997 the Tories lost more than half their seats. I wonder what the odds are that they do even worse at the next election?
The longer they leave it the more likely that events conspire to kill them off.
By the way... these are not just my thoughts- several Conservatives have said the same things to me, they genuinely say that the chances of survival for the Tories are increasingly remote, and several of them actually welcome the reckoning that they think the party will get.0 -
Mr. Cicero, entirely possible that's mostly true but that the pro-EU side then overcook things.
Suppose we get a second referendum, and remain. There will be some who will want to avoid us ever 'leaving' again and so integrate us even more simply to make it impossible or extra painful to leave. That very act could spur the resentment of some and awaken it in others.
I forget the names, but during the downfall of the Han dynasty, when it was still possible for the situation to be rescued, an amnesty was refused for rebels who just wanted to come in from the cold. As a result, they had nothing to lose and continued to rebel, and ended up playing a part in the dynasty's destruction.
No action will please everyone. But a majority on both sides must be at least wearily content with the settlement or one side or the other will seek to overturn it at the first opportunity.0 -
There is nothing 'sane' about prostrating yourself as supplicants saying you will accept any deal whatsoever no matter how bad.eek said:
May is probably a third - and there will be more. Just look for any sane Tory retiring or potentially in the near future...rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1150759486556180480
That's definitely two for a VoNC I reckon. Clarke being the other.
Whether that be with the EU or USA either way it is insane.1 -
The tweets are designed for Trump's base who as with a lot of older people here probably agree with the view but are sensible enough not to say it out loud...Cicero said:While it is pretty insane that the President of a nation of immigrants should tell anyone to "go home", the despicable Trump has lowered expectations to the point that most people just shrug.
I suspect these tweets will look very mild compared to the ones we will see in September onwards next year...0 -
"Go home" messages are completely vile I agree and anyone behind them is a despicable person unworthy of office.MikeSmithson said:TMay gives her view
https://twitter.com/HuffPostUK/status/1150719820461203456
https://twitter.com/ColinYeo1/status/11318649016669102080 -
The sense I get, on the contrary, is that Boris is holding to a position in order to be unassailable in winning the contest to be leader, and that is all we know for sure. While this tells us something about his style it is perfectly possible, and likely, that he has plans of which not a word has been said and may have little relation to what has been said.AlastairMeeks said:Boris Johnson follows the ideas of those he surrounds himself with. It looks as though he's going to surround himself with the most extreme Brexit zealots. Expect government policy to be set accordingly.
In addition he will be under the direction of events outside his command, including the constant imminent threat of losing a VONC even from day 1.
Putting these together we are trying to predict the 1967 Grand National. Fun, but not realistic.
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It’s very unlikely any Tory MP will VONC their own government . But if they defect or resign the Whip beforehand then that nuclear option is more possible .
Those against no deal will do everything possible to rule that out by legislation.
Of more immediate interest is what happens next week when the new PM is announced , the optics of Bozo entering no 10 and at the same time some defections to the Lib Dems or Whip resignations could effectively wipe out the Tories working majority.
Dominic Grieve won’t defect , more likely resign the whip together with Guto Bebb and Philip Lee .
Justine Greening could move to the Lib Dems , at the same time I expect Sarah Wollaston to do the same .
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They are at least 10, probably close to 30 in number but they are certainly not for a VONC.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1150759486556180480
That's definitely two for a VoNC I reckon. Clarke being the other.
They will actually be very creative to avoid a VONC as they were last time. They will however VONC if and only if that is the last option available to stop no deal (or somehow Boris has prorogued and we have left and he sheepishly brings parliament back).
The threat of a VONC is obviously a card can they play to avoid the actual VONC.0 -
The correct answer is “nothing”
We know the current POTUS is a racist jerk.
Saying that publicly doesn’t gain anything for the UK.1 -
I remember the first time I saw a Taiwanese passport, it surprised me at first then 15 minutes and a couple of Google searches later I was like "Oh, Taipei considers (People's republic of) China, part of ITS hinterland !"TheWhiteRabbit said:
Given she was born in Taipei, I guess *where* is also a geopolitical questionrottenborough said:
When is Elaine Chao going "home"?Nigelb said:Ah, the some of my best friends defence (except he doesn’t have any friends, just courtiers and allies of convenience)...
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/453048-top-pence-aide-trumps-intent-wasnt-racist-in-attacks-on-progressive
Short disputed the charge that Trump is racist, noting that he has an Asian-American Cabinet official in Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao. He also cited a naturalization ceremony for new citizens that Pence and Chao attended on Independence Day.
Trump did not attend that ceremony, as he was at his golf club in Virginia.0 -
We’re not supplicantPeter_the_Punter said:'Supplicant', Mike? I thought our Soveriegnity was about to return once we threw off the cursed yoke of the EU.
Surely we are not replacing servitude to the EU with servitude to the USA?
The UK can function perfectly well without a US trade deal
If one makes sense for both sides then great, if not then whatever1 -
Just catching up on the three Westminster VI polls published at the weekend.
YouGov and Survation have published the detailed tables, per BPC rules, but not ComRes (why?)
The numbers are absolutely dreadful for Ruth Davidson and Richard Leonard, and cheerful reading for Nicola Sturgeon and Willie Rennie. Jo Swinson is going to inherit a lovely start on home ground (about doubled support), but is she capable of nurturing it?
Ruthie is a spent force, and there is no love lost between her and her new master Boris the Clown. I doubt she has the guts to stay, get gubbed at the next election, and thus lose her halo. Best to go before everybody notices that you were crap all along.
https://www.survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/General-Election-Voting-Intention-July-12-2019.xlsx
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/28gnxojyae/TheTimes_190710_VI_Trackers_w.pdf0 -
The 45% who favour right wing parties aren't going to vanish, even if the Conservatives do. They'll just vote for another right wing party, probably more right wing than the Conservatives.Cicero said:While it is pretty insane that the President of a nation of immigrants should tell anyone to "go home", the despicable Trump has lowered expectations to the point that most people just shrug.
However I do think that this could be the alt-right's last hurrah on both sides of the pond. The level of corruption and lies may be corrosive of democracy in general, but the polls are showing that the right are indeed getting the blame first. Meanwhile the demographic that almost literally sold its soul to Trump- the religious right and the NRA- are facing meltdown. While I know we are supposed to be scared of the boogeyman, the fact is that Trump is seen as being a weak and cowardly leader (and indeed a vile and unpleasant human being).
Farage as the giggling accolyte to Trump is unpopular in the extreme and if there is wrong doing at TBP concerning the leaks of Sir Kim Darroch's cables, then I think that the "Perp Walk" of any TBP figure will concentrate quite a few minds.
Equally, allying to Trump will make Johnson even more unpopular than he already is- and lets face it, Johnson could only win a GE by gaming the FPTP system in the same way that Trump did, because the chances look pretty low that he even breaks 26% of the vote. Trumpism- corrupt and Russian supported, is deeply unpopular and if Johnson allies himself to it, he will be shackling himself to a political corpse.
The UK situation is of course still very volatile, but whereas Theresa May gets some pity, and even some respect, Johnson will have no honeymoon at all. Adding support for Trump to the charge list of recklessness and arrogant incompetence could will be the straw that breaks the Tory back. I think TBP will mirror UKIP or even the Referendum Party and hurt the Tories without winning enough themselves, but meanwhile the Tories get strung up by the Liberal Democrats. In 1997 the Tories lost more than half their seats. I wonder what the odds are that they do even worse at the next election?
The longer they leave it the more likely that events conspire to kill them off.
By the way... these are not just my thoughts- several Conservatives have said the same things to me, they genuinely say that the chances of survival for the Tories are increasingly remote, and several of them actually welcome the reckoning that they think the party will get.
At the moment, I'd expect Trump to be re-elected.1 -
Well I suppose we have a long and proud history of pandering to disgusting leaders of dysfunctional regimes for commercial reasons.0
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https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/current-state-of-the-parties/
Parliament UK has the working majority down to 0.0 -
We just need to believe! Puts me in mind of an old Christmas tune by Greg Lakewilliamglenn said:It looks like the Brexit Party will be demanding that Boris sack Liam Fox for insufficient zeal.
https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1150720077085454336
They said there'll be a deal for Brexit
They said it'll be easiest on Earth
But instead the House kept on rejecting
Withdrawal agreement: strangled at birth
I remember twenty-ninth March Morning
A springtime light and Cameron's bête noire
With a snarl out of hell, Farage we know well
His eyes full of hatred and fire
They sold me a dream of Brexit
They told me about British might
They told me a fairy story
'Till I believed their xenophobic shite
And I believed in Boris Johnson
And I looked to the future with excited eyes
'Till I woke with a yawn in the first Light of dawn
And I saw him and through his disguise
I wish you a hopeful Brexit
I wish you a brave new era
All anguish pain and sadness
Leave your Heart and let your road be clear
They said there'll be deals so easy
Global Britain bestriding Earth
Will BMW directors save us? Will they hell
The Brexit we get we deserve0 -
Of course they do. It’s still the successor state 🤫Pulpstar said:
I remember the first time I saw a Taiwanese passport, it surprised me at first then 15 minutes and a couple of Google searches later I was like "Oh, Taipei considers (People's republic of) China, part of ITS hinterland !"TheWhiteRabbit said:
Given she was born in Taipei, I guess *where* is also a geopolitical questionrottenborough said:
When is Elaine Chao going "home"?Nigelb said:Ah, the some of my best friends defence (except he doesn’t have any friends, just courtiers and allies of convenience)...
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/453048-top-pence-aide-trumps-intent-wasnt-racist-in-attacks-on-progressive
Short disputed the charge that Trump is racist, noting that he has an Asian-American Cabinet official in Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao. He also cited a naturalization ceremony for new citizens that Pence and Chao attended on Independence Day.
Trump did not attend that ceremony, as he was at his golf club in Virginia.0 -
Because they include Sinn Fein who don't attend...noneoftheabove said:https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/current-state-of-the-parties/
Parliament UK has the working majority down to 0.0 -
Since when is opposing racism only a question of personal gain or loss? Surely there are certain universal principles where we have to just speak up, irrespective of consideration for gain?Charles said:The correct answer is “nothing”
We know the current POTUS is a racist jerk.
Saying that publicly doesn’t gain anything for the UK.0 -
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Great! Looking forward to more posts in verse.Selebian said:
We just need to believe! Puts me in mind of an old Christmas tune by Greg Lakewilliamglenn said:It looks like the Brexit Party will be demanding that Boris sack Liam Fox for insufficient zeal.
https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1150720077085454336
They said there'll be a deal for Brexit
They said it'll be easiest on Earth
But instead the House kept on rejecting
Withdrawal agreement: strangled at birth
I remember twenty-ninth March Morning
A springtime light and Cameron's bête noire
With a snarl out of hell, Farage we know well
His eyes full of hatred and fire
They sold me a dream of Brexit
They told me about British might
They told me a fairy story
'Till I believed their xenophobic shite
And I believed in Boris Johnson
And I looked to the future with excited eyes
'Till I woke with a yawn in the first Light of dawn
And I saw him and through his disguise
I wish you a hopeful Brexit
I wish you a brave new era
All anguish pain and sadness
Leave your Heart and let your road be clear
They said there'll be deals so easy
Global Britain bestriding Earth
Will BMW directors save us? Will they hell
The Brexit we get we deserve0 -
Mr. Charles, for now. I wouldn't be surprised if the PRC decided to formally (and militarily) acquire Taiwan.0
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Funny how people can see that is blindingly obvious for the US but switch the name US with EU and you are "insane" . . .Charles said:
We’re not supplicantPeter_the_Punter said:'Supplicant', Mike? I thought our Soveriegnity was about to return once we threw off the cursed yoke of the EU.
Surely we are not replacing servitude to the EU with servitude to the USA?
The UK can function perfectly well without a US trade deal
If one makes sense for both sides then great, if not then whatever1 -
Very good, especially the final line. England is certainly reaping what she has sowed.Selebian said:
We just need to believe! Puts me in mind of an old Christmas tune by Greg Lakewilliamglenn said:It looks like the Brexit Party will be demanding that Boris sack Liam Fox for insufficient zeal.
https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1150720077085454336
They said there'll be a deal for Brexit
They said it'll be easiest on Earth
But instead the House kept on rejecting
Withdrawal agreement: strangled at birth
I remember twenty-ninth March Morning
A springtime light and Cameron's bête noire
With a snarl out of hell, Farage we know well
His eyes full of hatred and fire
They sold me a dream of Brexit
They told me about British might
They told me a fairy story
'Till I believed their xenophobic shite
And I believed in Boris Johnson
And I looked to the future with excited eyes
'Till I woke with a yawn in the first Light of dawn
And I saw him and through his disguise
I wish you a hopeful Brexit
I wish you a brave new era
All anguish pain and sadness
Leave your Heart and let your road be clear
They said there'll be deals so easy
Global Britain bestriding Earth
Will BMW directors save us? Will they hell
The Brexit we get we deserve0 -
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I would have thought he has the racist vote locked up already and so this sort of thing will, if anything, damage him.Pulpstar said:The question we need to ask is, does this impact Trump's re-election chances ?
Hard to imagine there are many Americans thinking that if Trump could only be a touch MORE racist then they might make the effort to drag themselves off the porch, put their rifle down and vote for him.0 -
If you struggle to understand that, imagine California was leaving the USA. A deep trade deal with the USA would be essential not to screw their economy, but a trade deal with the EU would be somewhere between nice to have and irrelevant.Philip_Thompson said:
Funny how people can see that is blindingly obvious for the US but switch the name US with EU and you are "insane" . . .Charles said:
We’re not supplicantPeter_the_Punter said:'Supplicant', Mike? I thought our Soveriegnity was about to return once we threw off the cursed yoke of the EU.
Surely we are not replacing servitude to the EU with servitude to the USA?
The UK can function perfectly well without a US trade deal
If one makes sense for both sides then great, if not then whatever0 -
Correct. You have to be insane to willfully fail to appreciate the difference between not entering into a trade deal in the first place, and crashing out in chaos from a long-standing single market and customs union, with supply chains and business models based on very close economic integration.Philip_Thompson said:Funny how people can see that is blindingly obvious for the US but switch the name US with EU and you are "insane" . . .
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It's too important to the psychology of those Brexiteers who see it as a project to unite the 'Anglosphere'. Take away both a US trade deal and a CANZUK alliance and what's the point?Charles said:
We’re not supplicantPeter_the_Punter said:'Supplicant', Mike? I thought our Soveriegnity was about to return once we threw off the cursed yoke of the EU.
Surely we are not replacing servitude to the EU with servitude to the USA?
The UK can function perfectly well without a US trade deal
If one makes sense for both sides then great, if not then whatever
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/7235478106337771520 -
Mr. Thompson, one no deal (the US) means no change, the other (the EU) means a significant change.0
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Will not be militarily simple. If it were, it would have been done already. The Taiwanese are trained, tooled up, and it is difficult to think of anywhere more suited to guerrilla warfare. The loss of life could be astonishingly high.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, for now. I wouldn't be surprised if the PRC decided to formally (and militarily) acquire Taiwan.
Formally, of course there is only one China. With two governments.0 -
GMB is best union!0
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No way.eek said:
May is probably a third - and there will be more. Just look for any sane Tory retiring or potentially in the near future...rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1150759486556180480
That's definitely two for a VoNC I reckon. Clarke being the other.
You genuinely think that the outgoing Con leader and PM is about to immediately VoNC the incoming Con leader and PM? That would be unprecedented in not just English history, but world history. Surely not??0 -
Mr. Dean, astute points.
On the other hand, Xi has beefed up China's military and has been using it to test the Japanese over the disputed islands (incidentally, Taiwan claims those too), and seize half the South China Sea, de facto.0 -
Their insanity is obvious to the sane, but invisible to themselves.Richard_Nabavi said:
Correct. You have to be insane to willfully fail to appreciate the difference between not entering into a trade deal in the first place, and crashing out in chaos from a long-standing single market and customs union, with supply chains and business models based on very close economic integration.Philip_Thompson said:Funny how people can see that is blindingly obvious for the US but switch the name US with EU and you are "insane" . . .
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We aren't talking about a VoNC next Thursday but one in late September / October...StuartDickson said:
No way.eek said:
May is probably a third - and there will be more. Just look for any sane Tory retiring or potentially in the near future...rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1150759486556180480
That's definitely two for a VoNC I reckon. Clarke being the other.
You genuinely think that the outgoing Con leader and PM is about to immediately VoNC the incoming Con leader and PM? That would be unprecedented in not just English history, but world history. Surely not??0 -
I dunno, the whole concept of governing oneself.williamglenn said:
It's too important to the psychology of those Brexiteers who see it as a project to unite the 'Anglosphere'. Take away both a US trade deal and a CANZUK alliance and what's the point?Charles said:
We’re not supplicantPeter_the_Punter said:'Supplicant', Mike? I thought our Soveriegnity was about to return once we threw off the cursed yoke of the EU.
Surely we are not replacing servitude to the EU with servitude to the USA?
The UK can function perfectly well without a US trade deal
If one makes sense for both sides then great, if not then whatever
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/7235478106337771520 -
Can’t wait for Corbynistas to start calling GMB a Tory union or something.0
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Mr. D, aye. No deal wasn't in the offing in the referendum campaign, and nor was the customs union.
Humbuggery galore.0 -
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I can't see May doing it. She is grassroots Tory to her fingernails.StuartDickson said:
No way.eek said:
May is probably a third - and there will be more. Just look for any sane Tory retiring or potentially in the near future...rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1150759486556180480
That's definitely two for a VoNC I reckon. Clarke being the other.
You genuinely think that the outgoing Con leader and PM is about to immediately VoNC the incoming Con leader and PM? That would be unprecedented in not just English history, but world history. Surely not??0 -
The trouble is you start out wanting to govern yourself, and end up being governed by Boris Johnson instead...RobD said:
I dunno, the whole concept of governing oneself.williamglenn said:
It's too important to the psychology of those Brexiteers who see it as a project to unite the 'Anglosphere'. Take away both a US trade deal and a CANZUK alliance and what's the point?Charles said:
We’re not supplicantPeter_the_Punter said:'Supplicant', Mike? I thought our Soveriegnity was about to return once we threw off the cursed yoke of the EU.
Surely we are not replacing servitude to the EU with servitude to the USA?
The UK can function perfectly well without a US trade deal
If one makes sense for both sides then great, if not then whatever
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/7235478106337771520 -
These people are idiots. We are always going to trade more with Europe - it's called geography.williamglenn said:
It's too important to the psychology of those Brexiteers who see it as a project to unite the 'Anglosphere'. Take away both a US trade deal and a CANZUK alliance and what's the point?Charles said:
We’re not supplicantPeter_the_Punter said:'Supplicant', Mike? I thought our Soveriegnity was about to return once we threw off the cursed yoke of the EU.
Surely we are not replacing servitude to the EU with servitude to the USA?
The UK can function perfectly well without a US trade deal
If one makes sense for both sides then great, if not then whatever
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/7235478106337771520 -
I know that Theresa May is no Boris fan, but I just find it inconceivable that she would ever VoNC the leader of her beloved Tory party.eek said:StuartDickson said:
No way.eek said:
May is probably a third - and there will be more. Just look for any sane Tory retiring or potentially in the near future...rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1150759486556180480
That's definitely two for a VoNC I reckon. Clarke being the other.
You genuinely think that the outgoing Con leader and PM is about to immediately VoNC the incoming Con leader and PM? That would be unprecedented in not just English history, but world history. Surely not??
We aren't talking about a VoNC next Thursday but one in late September / October...StuartDickson said:
No way.eek said:
May is probably a third - and there will be more. Just look for any sane Tory retiring or potentially in the near future...rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1150759486556180480
That's definitely two for a VoNC I reckon. Clarke being the other.
You genuinely think that the outgoing Con leader and PM is about to immediately VoNC the incoming Con leader and PM? That would be unprecedented in not just English history, but world history. Surely not??
May is incredibly wobbly in many ways, but surely nobody could doubt that she is a textbook example of a partisan. She will be Tory till the day she dies. Or the party dies, which looks like being the earlier event.0 -
He has to make an emergency trip to his own HQ?Scott_P said:0 -
Britain governs itself. Only the demented imagine otherwise.RobD said:
I dunno, the whole concept of governing oneself.williamglenn said:
It's too important to the psychology of those Brexiteers who see it as a project to unite the 'Anglosphere'. Take away both a US trade deal and a CANZUK alliance and what's the point?Charles said:
We’re not supplicantPeter_the_Punter said:'Supplicant', Mike? I thought our Soveriegnity was about to return once we threw off the cursed yoke of the EU.
Surely we are not replacing servitude to the EU with servitude to the USA?
The UK can function perfectly well without a US trade deal
If one makes sense for both sides then great, if not then whatever
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/7235478106337771520 -
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I suppose most 'big' countries do to an extent. Not all to the same extent though.Sean_F said:Who doesn't?
On this one a key practical question is - if we pander to this piece of scum will it get us a significantly better trade deal than if we don't?
My sense is probably not. In which case it might well be better not to.
Plus - god willing - he will be gone soon.0 -
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I like your thinking there - also there would have been an extra run for the no ball.TheScreamingEagles said:Rewatching the overthrow delivery it looked like it was over waist height.
So England were denied a free hit.
But... do you think this would have been over waist height had Stokes been standing straight?
(41.7.1 Any delivery, which passes or would have passed, without pitching, above waist height of the striker standing upright at the popping crease, is to be deemed to be unfair, whether or not it is likely to inflict physical injury on the striker. If the bowler bowls such a delivery the umpire shall immediately call and signal No ball.)
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Mr. Glenn, Boris is an oaf but the focus of the national interest is not upon a single PM but the long-standing position of the United Kingdom and what is in our collective interest.
Being pro- or anti-EU because a blonde cretin is the probable next PM is foolish.
Unfortunately, the political class has behaved so wretchedly that we have an array of bad options, and the dithering has only intensified the poisonous political atmosphere.0 -
I hope you'll look kindly on refugees from the south if Scotland manages to escape somehow!StuartDickson said:
Very good, especially the final line. England is certainly reaping what she has sowed.Selebian said:
We just need to believe! Puts me in mind of an old Christmas tune by Greg Lakewilliamglenn said:It looks like the Brexit Party will be demanding that Boris sack Liam Fox for insufficient zeal.
https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1150720077085454336
They said there'll be a deal for Brexit
They said it'll be easiest on Earth
But instead the House kept on rejecting
Withdrawal agreement: strangled at birth
I remember twenty-ninth March Morning
A springtime light and Cameron's bête noire
With a snarl out of hell, Farage we know well
His eyes full of hatred and fire
They sold me a dream of Brexit
They told me about British might
They told me a fairy story
'Till I believed their xenophobic shite
And I believed in Boris Johnson
And I looked to the future with excited eyes
'Till I woke with a yawn in the first Light of dawn
And I saw him and through his disguise
I wish you a hopeful Brexit
I wish you a brave new era
All anguish pain and sadness
Leave your Heart and let your road be clear
They said there'll be deals so easy
Global Britain bestriding Earth
Will BMW directors save us? Will they hell
The Brexit we get we deserve0 -
If you were worried about the collective interest of the United Kingdom, you would be very wary of riding roughshod over the views of Scotland and Northern Ireland.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, Boris is an oaf but the focus of the national interest is not upon a single PM but the long-standing position of the United Kingdom and what is in our collective interest.
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Given that it can’t even cut a tax on tampons, I wouldn’t be so sure.AlastairMeeks said:
Britain governs itself. Only the demented imagine otherwise.RobD said:
I dunno, the whole concept of governing oneself.williamglenn said:
It's too important to the psychology of those Brexiteers who see it as a project to unite the 'Anglosphere'. Take away both a US trade deal and a CANZUK alliance and what's the point?Charles said:
We’re not supplicantPeter_the_Punter said:'Supplicant', Mike? I thought our Soveriegnity was about to return once we threw off the cursed yoke of the EU.
Surely we are not replacing servitude to the EU with servitude to the USA?
The UK can function perfectly well without a US trade deal
If one makes sense for both sides then great, if not then whatever
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/7235478106337771520 -
Brexit has no good options. The manifold fanciful ones put forward by Leavers bear witness to that. They were never prepared to make hard choices. And now they’re panicking and seeking to suspend democracy to impose a solution that they campaigned against as Project Fear in the referendum campaign.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, Boris is an oaf but the focus of the national interest is not upon a single PM but the long-standing position of the United Kingdom and what is in our collective interest.
Being pro- or anti-EU because a blonde cretin is the probable next PM is foolish.
Unfortunately, the political class has behaved so wretchedly that we have an array of bad options, and the dithering has only intensified the poisonous political atmosphere.0 -
English wine shelves are row upon row of Australian, NZ, Californian, SA etc wines, and very, very skimpy on the infinitely better products of her immediate geographical neighbours to the south and east.rottenborough said:
These people are idiots. We are always going to trade more with Europe - it's called geography.williamglenn said:
It's too important to the psychology of those Brexiteers who see it as a project to unite the 'Anglosphere'. Take away both a US trade deal and a CANZUK alliance and what's the point?Charles said:
We’re not supplicantPeter_the_Punter said:'Supplicant', Mike? I thought our Soveriegnity was about to return once we threw off the cursed yoke of the EU.
Surely we are not replacing servitude to the EU with servitude to the USA?
The UK can function perfectly well without a US trade deal
If one makes sense for both sides then great, if not then whatever
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/723547810633777152
English wine consumers clearly are idiots, but fortunately for the country her businesspeople are not ideologues. They know that when it comes to procurement and export, geography is more important than language.0 -
iScot will need all the refugees it can get given the outflow that will go in the opposite directionSelebian said:
I hope you'll look kindly on refugees from the south if Scotland manages to escape somehow!StuartDickson said:
Very good, especially the final line. England is certainly reaping what she has sowed.Selebian said:
We just need to believe! Puts me in mind of an old Christmas tune by Greg Lakewilliamglenn said:It looks like the Brexit Party will be demanding that Boris sack Liam Fox for insufficient zeal.
https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1150720077085454336
They said there'll be a deal for Brexit
They said it'll be easiest on Earth
But instead the House kept on rejecting
Withdrawal agreement: strangled at birth
I remember twenty-ninth March Morning
A springtime light and Cameron's bête noire
With a snarl out of hell, Farage we know well
His eyes full of hatred and fire
They sold me a dream of Brexit
They told me about British might
They told me a fairy story
'Till I believed their xenophobic shite
And I believed in Boris Johnson
And I looked to the future with excited eyes
'Till I woke with a yawn in the first Light of dawn
And I saw him and through his disguise
I wish you a hopeful Brexit
I wish you a brave new era
All anguish pain and sadness
Leave your Heart and let your road be clear
They said there'll be deals so easy
Global Britain bestriding Earth
Will BMW directors save us? Will they hell
The Brexit we get we deserve0 -
I am not sure what anyone is supposed to make of that sort of info.Scott_P said:
They are hardly going to do a big mea cupla type press conference and resign.0 -
I thought she was on sick leave?Scott_P said:0 -
I understand you left ukScot long ago?JBriskinindyref2 said:iScot will need all the refugees it can get given the outflow that will go in the opposite direction
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Lol another german wine drinking cybernat - they really are quite uncouth to go with being off their rockersStuartDickson said:
English wine shelves are row upon row of Australian, NZ, Californian, SA etc wines, and very, very skimpy on the infinitely better products of her immediate geographical neighbours to the south and east.rottenborough said:
These people are idiots. We are always going to trade more with Europe - it's called geography.williamglenn said:
It's too important to the psychology of those Brexiteers who see it as a project to unite the 'Anglosphere'. Take away both a US trade deal and a CANZUK alliance and what's the point?Charles said:
We’re not supplicantPeter_the_Punter said:'Supplicant', Mike? I thought our Soveriegnity was about to return once we threw off the cursed yoke of the EU.
Surely we are not replacing servitude to the EU with servitude to the USA?
The UK can function perfectly well without a US trade deal
If one makes sense for both sides then great, if not then whatever
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/723547810633777152
English wine consumers clearly are idiots, but fortunately for the country her businesspeople are not ideologues. They know that when it comes to procurement and export, geography is more important than language.0 -
Fortunately for the Dad’s Army Leavers, it still has the power to declare war on Brussels.RobD said:
Given that it can’t even cut a tax on tampons, I wouldn’t be so sure.AlastairMeeks said:
Britain governs itself. Only the demented imagine otherwise.RobD said:
I dunno, the whole concept of governing oneself.williamglenn said:
It's too important to the psychology of those Brexiteers who see it as a project to unite the 'Anglosphere'. Take away both a US trade deal and a CANZUK alliance and what's the point?Charles said:
We’re not supplicantPeter_the_Punter said:'Supplicant', Mike? I thought our Soveriegnity was about to return once we threw off the cursed yoke of the EU.
Surely we are not replacing servitude to the EU with servitude to the USA?
The UK can function perfectly well without a US trade deal
If one makes sense for both sides then great, if not then whatever
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/7235478106337771520 -
Never a convincing way to start a point.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, Boris is an oaf but....
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Yes, it retained some self-governance.AlastairMeeks said:
Fortunately for the Dad’s Army Leavers, it still has the power to declare war on Brussels.RobD said:
Given that it can’t even cut a tax on tampons, I wouldn’t be so sure.AlastairMeeks said:
Britain governs itself. Only the demented imagine otherwise.RobD said:
I dunno, the whole concept of governing oneself.williamglenn said:
It's too important to the psychology of those Brexiteers who see it as a project to unite the 'Anglosphere'. Take away both a US trade deal and a CANZUK alliance and what's the point?Charles said:
We’re not supplicantPeter_the_Punter said:'Supplicant', Mike? I thought our Soveriegnity was about to return once we threw off the cursed yoke of the EU.
Surely we are not replacing servitude to the EU with servitude to the USA?
The UK can function perfectly well without a US trade deal
If one makes sense for both sides then great, if not then whatever
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/723547810633777152
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