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When Boris Johnson becomes Prime Minister it is widely expected that his Chancellor will be Sajid Javid which creates a vacancy at the Home Office. So who will succeed Javid?
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James Cleverly for me. One important question is what has Boris told Liz Truss? Rumours were she'd got the Treasury until the Saj became favourite. If Truss is on a promise then there aren't many other top jobs available.0
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Feel like who will be HS will be the least of our problems.2
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The Home Secretary has to be competent, stable and reliable, because the PM isn’t.0
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That goes for all the new cabinetStuartDickson said:The Home Secretary has to be competent, stable and reliable, because the PM isn’t.
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Is Diane Abbott worth a punt at 50s? It is basically a double that the Saj stays at the Home Office under Boris and that Labour wins the anticipated snap election.
I'd want longer but it is probably worth keeping an eye on Labour (or LibDem) outsiders in all these next minister races.1 -
Is Bairstow actually trying to get out, or is he just not hitting it very well?0
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Well done Lewis!
C'mon England - might have to be a Hollywood ending.0 -
They are not convincing at all but NZ are bowling very wellydoethur said:Is Bairstow actually trying to get out, or is he just not hitting it very well?
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Yes he is quoting polls with Boris as named leader. This was a poll with May as leader.Chris said:
I think people are referring to HYUFD's posts telling us that Boris Johnson was going to win a landslide based on previous ComRes polls.Philip_Thompson said:
Did I miss Boris becoming PM already? Did I miss him becoming Tory leader already?nico67 said:What happened to the Bozo bounce ?
Where’s HYUFD ? Red alert emergency spin needed .
When did May leave Downing Street?
If a politics geek like me missed it then no shock the public has. Or maybe the public lacks your TARDIS?
You must have missed them, though I'm not sure how.
The public aren't sophisticated or geeky enough to foresee Boris being leader. Look at the 2007 polls for precedent. Even when Brown becoming leader was basically guaranteed the Tories still polled a lead. Every single poll bar 1 in 2007 leading up to Brown officially becoming leader showed a Tory lead.
Every single poll after Brown became leader for the following months had a Labour lead. Without exception.
The bounce happened when Brown entered Downing Street not before. If there is to be a Boris bounce (and it's not guaranteed) it will be after his election not before.1 -
David Davis is a good bet, with Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary and Hunt Deputy PM0
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And there we have it! The proof for how deranged Johsonite thinking has become. They are prepared to defend a future Corbyn dictatorship in their Brexit-induced fever.HYUFD said:
If Parliament blocked the key manifesto commitment of an elected PM Corbyn due to Labour Blairite rebels like the Tory diehard Remainer rebels now I would have no problem with Corbyn proroguing Parliament nokle4 said:I disagree with mr Meeks on plenty, not least his tone on many occasions, but I cannot deny that i find the mooted plans to prorogue quite concerning. The reasons dont stack up and it comes from people who openly admit that no cost or price is too high to leave (except the price of voting for the WA for some of them, that price was too high).
Nothing is so great that any cost is worth it. It is incredibly frustrating we have not left yet, but better we dont and even the BXP win an election to no deal at the democratic outrage, than people essentially decide to ignore the will of the present parliament (if it can manage to determine what its will is).
I believe in parliamentary democracy. This parliament was elected after the referendum and has behaved terribly - not reaching compromise to deliver what most said they would do and a large group always intending to stymie it. The solution is the parliament faces the consequences at the next election, whenever that is.
That would delay Brexit, might even halt it for a bit. But if we are outraged by our representatives we will choose other ones.
Better that than some Dominic Grieve style too clever by half constitutional wrangling.
Yes the legal position is no deal and if they did not want that they should not have triggered A50. But while I dislike what the parliament has done and has not done, while it is there it is entitled to indicate its will as best it sees fit.
Proroguing for no purpose other than partisan politics is a dangerous game to play. If its happened before thats no excuse to do it again, it can escalate badly and this time we see the political culture devolve.
Do the Tories want Corbyn to see proroguing as nothing but a convenient tool in the arsenal.
Call the men in white coats.1 -
Cleverly to be Party Chairman, Truss to be Business SecretaryDecrepitJohnL said:James Cleverly for me. One important question is what has Boris told Liz Truss? Rumours were she'd got the Treasury until the Saj became favourite. If Truss is on a promise then there aren't many other top jobs available.
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To be honest, the more England bat the more impressive 240 looks.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They are not convincing at all but NZ are bowling very wellydoethur said:Is Bairstow actually trying to get out, or is he just not hitting it very well?
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And where are the ladies.HYUFD said:David Davis is a good bet, with Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary and Hunt Deputy PM
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MadnessStuartDickson said:
And there we have it! The proof for how deranged Johsonite thinking has become. They are prepared to defend a future Corbyn dictatorship in their Brexit-induced fever.HYUFD said:
If Parliament blocked the key manifesto commitment of an elected PM Corbyn due to Labour Blairite rebels like the Tory diehard Remainer rebels now I would have no problem with Corbyn proroguing Parliament nokle4 said:I disagree with mr Meeks on plenty, not least his tone on many occasions, but I cannot deny that i find the mooted plans to prorogue quite concerning. The reasons dont stack up and it comes from people who openly admit that no cost or price is too high to leave (except the price of voting for the WA for some of them, that price was too high).
Nothing is so great that any cost is worth it. It is incredibly frustrating we have not left yet, but better we dont and even the BXP win an election to no deal at the democratic outrage, than people essentially decide to ignore the will of the present parliament (if it can manage to determine what its will is).
I believe in parliamentary democracy. This parliament was elected after the referendum and has behaved terribly - not reaching compromise to deliver what most said they would do and a large group always intending to stymie it. The solution is the parliament faces the consequences at the next election, whenever that is.
That would delay Brexit, might even halt it for a bit. But if we are outraged by our representatives we will choose other ones.
Better that than some Dominic Grieve style too clever by half constitutional wrangling.
Yes the legal position is no deal and if they did not want that they should not have triggered A50. But while I dislike what the parliament has done and has not done, while it is there it is entitled to indicate its will as best it sees fit.
Proroguing for no purpose other than partisan politics is a dangerous game to play. If its happened before thats no excuse to do it again, it can escalate badly and this time we see the political culture devolve.
Do the Tories want Corbyn to see proroguing as nothing but a convenient tool in the arsenal.
Call the men in white coats.0 -
On topic, Andrea Leadsom worth thinking about. Coupled with Truss as Chancellor, Boris would be looking at two women in the top posts of Govt.0
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I'm sure he would!MarqueeMark said:Coupled with Truss as Chancellor, Boris would be looking at two women
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He has to provide a gender balance.MarqueeMark said:On topic, Andrea Leadsom worth thinking about. Coupled with Truss as Chancellor, Boris would be looking at two women in the top posts of Govt.
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I like your thinking. Is there a book anywhere offering 'a Lib Dem'. If there are 80 Lib Dems in the next house they'll have to be given something big for their support.DecrepitJohnL said:Is Diane Abbott worth a punt at 50s? It is basically a double that the Saj stays at the Home Office under Boris and that Labour wins the anticipated snap election.
I'd want longer but it is probably worth keeping an eye on Labour (or LibDem) outsiders in all these next minister races.0 -
Ah - you knew what people meant all the time!Philip_Thompson said:
Yes he is quoting polls with Boris as named leader. This was a poll with May as leader.Chris said:
I think people are referring to HYUFD's posts telling us that Boris Johnson was going to win a landslide based on previous ComRes polls.Philip_Thompson said:
Did I miss Boris becoming PM already? Did I miss him becoming Tory leader already?nico67 said:What happened to the Bozo bounce ?
Where’s HYUFD ? Red alert emergency spin needed .
When did May leave Downing Street?
If a politics geek like me missed it then no shock the public has. Or maybe the public lacks your TARDIS?
You must have missed them, though I'm not sure how.
The public aren't sophisticated or geeky enough to foresee Boris being leader. Look at the 2007 polls for precedent. Even when Brown becoming leader was basically guaranteed the Tories still polled a lead. Every single poll bar 1 in 2007 leading up to Brown officially becoming leader showed a Tory lead.
Every single poll after Brown became leader for the following months had a Labour lead. Without exception.
The bounce happened when Brown entered Downing Street not before. If there is to be a Boris bounce (and it's not guaranteed) it will be after his election not before.0 -
We should be thinking about who the best people for the job are not what genitals they haveBig_G_NorthWales said:
He has to provide a gender balance.MarqueeMark said:On topic, Andrea Leadsom worth thinking about. Coupled with Truss as Chancellor, Boris would be looking at two women in the top posts of Govt.
And if Truss is the best she should be getting the job because she is worthy not because she is the best lady.1 -
Good point. I expect a bounce, but not a very durable one for all the reasons we've discussed.Philip_Thompson said:
The bounce happened when Brown entered Downing Street not before. If there is to be a Boris bounce (and it's not guaranteed) it will be after his election not before.0 -
Yes hence why I said have I missed Boris being made leader? You may have a TARDIS but in my timeline he isn't yet.Chris said:
Ah - you knew what people meant all the time!Philip_Thompson said:
Yes he is quoting polls with Boris as named leader. This was a poll with May as leader.Chris said:
I think people are referring to HYUFD's posts telling us that Boris Johnson was going to win a landslide based on previous ComRes polls.Philip_Thompson said:
Did I miss Boris becoming PM already? Did I miss him becoming Tory leader already?nico67 said:What happened to the Bozo bounce ?
Where’s HYUFD ? Red alert emergency spin needed .
When did May leave Downing Street?
If a politics geek like me missed it then no shock the public has. Or maybe the public lacks your TARDIS?
You must have missed them, though I'm not sure how.
The public aren't sophisticated or geeky enough to foresee Boris being leader. Look at the 2007 polls for precedent. Even when Brown becoming leader was basically guaranteed the Tories still polled a lead. Every single poll bar 1 in 2007 leading up to Brown officially becoming leader showed a Tory lead.
Every single poll after Brown became leader for the following months had a Labour lead. Without exception.
The bounce happened when Brown entered Downing Street not before. If there is to be a Boris bounce (and it's not guaranteed) it will be after his election not before.0 -
No, I am prepared to defend democracy.StuartDickson said:
And there we have it! The proof for how deranged Johsonite thinking has become. They are prepared to defend a future Corbyn dictatorship in their Brexit-induced fever.HYUFD said:
If Parliament blocked the key manifesto commitment of an elected PM Corbyn due to Labour Blairite rebels like the Tory diehard Remainer rebels now I would have no problem with Corbyn proroguing Parliament nokle4 said:I disagree with mr Meeks on plenty, not least his tone on many occasions, but I cannot deny that i find the mooted plans to prorogue quite concerning. The reasons dont stack up and it comes from people who openly admit that no cost or price is too high to leave (except the price of voting for the WA for some of them, that price was too high).
Nothing is so great that any cost is worth it. It is incredibly frustrating we have not left yet, but better we dont and even the BXP win an election to no deal at the democratic outrage, than people essentially decide to ignore the will of the present parliament (if it can manage to determine what its will is).
I believe in parliamentary democracy. This parliament was elected after the referendum and has behaved terribly - not reaching compromise to deliver what most said they would do and a large group always intending to stymie it. The solution is the parliament faces the consequences at the next election, whenever that is.
That would delay Brexit, might even halt it for a bit. But if we are outraged by our representatives we will choose other ones.
Better that than some Dominic Grieve style too clever by half constitutional wrangling.
Yes the legal position is no deal and if they did not want that they should not have triggered A50. But while I dislike what the parliament has done and has not done, while it is there it is entitled to indicate its will as best it sees fit.
Proroguing for no purpose other than partisan politics is a dangerous game to play. If its happened before thats no excuse to do it again, it can escalate badly and this time we see the political culture devolve.
Do the Tories want Corbyn to see proroguing as nothing but a convenient tool in the arsenal.
Call the men in white coats.
Diehard Remainers are clearly unwilling to respect the 2016 Leave vote, just as they are unwilling to respect the 2017 Tory manifesto commitment to take GB out of the EU which won most seats in GB and in the UK with the Leave backing DUP, so if Corbyn also wins an election but Parliament tries to block a key Labour manifesto commitment then by definition I would have to side with Corbyn on principle, however much I may dislike the policy itself0 -
Indeed any bounce may be just as ephemeral as that Brown and May got.NickPalmer said:
Good point. I expect a bounce, but not a very durable one for all the reasons we've discussed.Philip_Thompson said:
The bounce happened when Brown entered Downing Street not before. If there is to be a Boris bounce (and it's not guaranteed) it will be after his election not before.0 -
That is an unpleasant response. Anyway looking at the men it should not be difficultPhilip_Thompson said:
We should be thinking about who the best people for the job are not what genitals they haveBig_G_NorthWales said:
He has to provide a gender balance.MarqueeMark said:On topic, Andrea Leadsom worth thinking about. Coupled with Truss as Chancellor, Boris would be looking at two women in the top posts of Govt.
And if Truss is the best she should be getting the job because she is worthy not because she is the best lady.0 -
This is more like a Test than an ODI.-1
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It's not meant as unpleasant I mean it. I think it is very disrespectful for women to say they get jobs because they are women.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is an unpleasant response. Anyway looking at the men it should not be difficultPhilip_Thompson said:
We should be thinking about who the best people for the job are not what genitals they haveBig_G_NorthWales said:
He has to provide a gender balance.MarqueeMark said:On topic, Andrea Leadsom worth thinking about. Coupled with Truss as Chancellor, Boris would be looking at two women in the top posts of Govt.
And if Truss is the best she should be getting the job because she is worthy not because she is the best lady.
If Truss or anyone else gets appointed then it should be viewed as that she was the best person for the job not that we needed a token lady.0 -
Truss as Business Secretary, Leadsom promoted etcBig_G_NorthWales said:
And where are the ladies.HYUFD said:David Davis is a good bet, with Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary and Hunt Deputy PM
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Warren having a couple of good polls (and I've been a sceptic):
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html0 -
Exactly rightPhilip_Thompson said:
Yes he is quoting polls with Boris as named leader. This was a poll with May as leader.Chris said:
I think people are referring to HYUFD's posts telling us that Boris Johnson was going to win a landslide based on previous ComRes polls.Philip_Thompson said:
Did I miss Boris becoming PM already? Did I miss him becoming Tory leader already?nico67 said:What happened to the Bozo bounce ?
Where’s HYUFD ? Red alert emergency spin needed .
When did May leave Downing Street?
If a politics geek like me missed it then no shock the public has. Or maybe the public lacks your TARDIS?
You must have missed them, though I'm not sure how.
The public aren't sophisticated or geeky enough to foresee Boris being leader. Look at the 2007 polls for precedent. Even when Brown becoming leader was basically guaranteed the Tories still polled a lead. Every single poll bar 1 in 2007 leading up to Brown officially becoming leader showed a Tory lead.
Every single poll after Brown became leader for the following months had a Labour lead. Without exception.
The bounce happened when Brown entered Downing Street not before. If there is to be a Boris bounce (and it's not guaranteed) it will be after his election not before.0 -
You have lost your senses - you have been indoctrinated. You listen to IDS far too muchHYUFD said:
No, I am prepared to defend democracy.StuartDickson said:
And there we have it! The proof for how deranged Johsonite thinking has become. They are prepared to defend a future Corbyn dictatorship in their Brexit-induced fever.HYUFD said:
If Parliament blocked the key manifesto commitment of an elected PM Corbyn due to Labour Blairite rebels like the Tory diehard Remainer rebels now I would have no problem with Corbyn proroguing Parliament nokle4 said:I disagree with mr Meeks on plenty, not least his tone on many occasions, but I cannot deny that i find the mooted plans to prorogue quite concerning. The reasons dont stack up and it comes from people who openly admit that no cost or price is too high to leave (except the price of voting for the WA for some of them, that price was too high).
Nothing is so great that any cost is worth it. It is incredibly frustrating we have not left yet, but better we dont and even the BXP win an election to no deal at the democratic outrage, than people essentially decide to ignore the will of the present parliament (if it can manage to determine what its will is).
I believe in parliamentary democracy. This parliament was elected after the referendum and has behaved terribly - not reaching compromise to deliver what most said they would do and a large group always intending to stymie it. The solution is the parliament faces the consequences at the next election, whenever that is.
That would delay Brexit, might even halt it for a bit. But if we are outraged by our representatives we will choose other ones.
Better that than some Dominic Grieve style too clever by half constitutional wrangling.
Yes the legal position is no deal and if they did not want that they should not have triggered A50. But while I dislike what the parliament has done and has not done, while it is there it is entitled to indicate its will as best it sees fit.
Proroguing for no purpose other than partisan politics is a dangerous game to play. If its happened before thats no excuse to do it again, it can escalate badly and this time we see the political culture devolve.
Do the Tories want Corbyn to see proroguing as nothing but a convenient tool in the arsenal.
Call the men in white coats.
Diehard Remainers are clearly unwilling to respect the 2016 Leave vote, just as they are unwilling to respect the 2017 Tory manifesto commitment to take GB out of the EU which won most seats in GB and in the UK with the Leave backing DUP, so if Corbyn also wins an election but Parliament tries to block a key Labour manifesto commitment then by definition I would have to side with Corbyn on principle, however much I may dislike the policy itself1 -
England gonna have to start whacking them at some stage. Keep me updated - I've allowed Ms Brisk some tennis, 1 set all, Federer 5-4 in the third.ydoethur said:This is more like a Test than an ODI.
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5-5 nowJBriskinindyref2 said:
England gonna have to start whacking them at some stage. Keep me updated - I've allowed Ms Brisk some tennis, 1 set all, Federer 5-4 in the third.ydoethur said:This is more like a Test than an ODI.
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Former Welsh Office Minister and Tory Assembly Leader Rod Richards dies at 72
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It is a betting thread. The question is not who should be the next Home Secretary or who is best qualified. Shadsy (or Betfair) will only pay out on who actually is appointed next Home Secretary. Same for the next Foreign Secretary and Chancellor markets.Philip_Thompson said:
We should be thinking about who the best people for the job are not what genitals they haveBig_G_NorthWales said:
He has to provide a gender balance.MarqueeMark said:On topic, Andrea Leadsom worth thinking about. Coupled with Truss as Chancellor, Boris would be looking at two women in the top posts of Govt.
And if Truss is the best she should be getting the job because she is worthy not because she is the best lady.0 -
Okay, we're back on the cricket so need updates on the Tennis.JBriskinindyref2 said:
5-5 nowJBriskinindyref2 said:
England gonna have to start whacking them at some stage. Keep me updated - I've allowed Ms Brisk some tennis, 1 set all, Federer 5-4 in the third.ydoethur said:This is more like a Test than an ODI.
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I think Truss would make a fantastic Chancellor of the Exchequer not mere Business Secretary.HYUFD said:
Truss as Business Secretary, Leadsom promoted etcBig_G_NorthWales said:
And where are the ladies.HYUFD said:David Davis is a good bet, with Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary and Hunt Deputy PM
But I would make Truss Chancellor because I think she is the best person for the job IMO. Not because I want a token woman.
I don't see what is unpleasant about that Big_G.1 -
Why all the silly stuff about TARDISes, when all you meant was that the polls HYUFD had been talking about prompted for Boris Johnson as leader, and this one doesn't?Philip_Thompson said:
Yes hence why I said have I missed Boris being made leader? You may have a TARDIS but in my timeline he isn't yet.Chris said:
Ah - you knew what people meant all the time!Philip_Thompson said:
Yes he is quoting polls with Boris as named leader. This was a poll with May as leader.Chris said:
I think people are referring to HYUFD's posts telling us that Boris Johnson was going to win a landslide based on previous ComRes polls.Philip_Thompson said:
Did I miss Boris becoming PM already? Did I miss him becoming Tory leader already?nico67 said:What happened to the Bozo bounce ?
Where’s HYUFD ? Red alert emergency spin needed .
When did May leave Downing Street?
If a politics geek like me missed it then no shock the public has. Or maybe the public lacks your TARDIS?
You must have missed them, though I'm not sure how.
The public aren't sophisticated or geeky enough to foresee Boris being leader. Look at the 2007 polls for precedent. Even when Brown becoming leader was basically guaranteed the Tories still polled a lead. Every single poll bar 1 in 2007 leading up to Brown officially becoming leader showed a Tory lead.
Every single poll after Brown became leader for the following months had a Labour lead. Without exception.
The bounce happened when Brown entered Downing Street not before. If there is to be a Boris bounce (and it's not guaranteed) it will be after his election not before.0 -
Root gone-1
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I thought it was the cricket thread nicely timed to start with the end of the F1DecrepitJohnL said:
It is a betting thread.Philip_Thompson said:
We should be thinking about who the best people for the job are not what genitals they haveBig_G_NorthWales said:
He has to provide a gender balance.MarqueeMark said:On topic, Andrea Leadsom worth thinking about. Coupled with Truss as Chancellor, Boris would be looking at two women in the top posts of Govt.
And if Truss is the best she should be getting the job because she is worthy not because she is the best lady.
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Rod Richards dies aged 72.
Perhaps best known for his famously acid bon mot on Valleys Labour councillors: 'they're short, they're fat and they're fundamentally corrupt.'
Oh, and for being a sadist. Literally.0 -
England really up against it now. Unless Morgan has something special on hand this is New Zealand all the way.-1
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Nico was asking where the Boris bounce was. Since the Boris bounce if it comes will be in the future that seems an appropriate reply. Unless you have a time machine the bounce hasn't happened yet.Chris said:
Why all the silly stuff about TARDISes, when all you meant was that the polls HYUFD had been talking about prompted for Boris Johnson as leader, and this one doesn't?Philip_Thompson said:
Yes hence why I said have I missed Boris being made leader? You may have a TARDIS but in my timeline he isn't yet.Chris said:
Ah - you knew what people meant all the time!Philip_Thompson said:
Yes he is quoting polls with Boris as named leader. This was a poll with May as leader.Chris said:
I think people are referring to HYUFD's posts telling us that Boris Johnson was going to win a landslide based on previous ComRes polls.Philip_Thompson said:
Did I miss Boris becoming PM already? Did I miss him becoming Tory leader already?nico67 said:What happened to the Bozo bounce ?
Where’s HYUFD ? Red alert emergency spin needed .
When did May leave Downing Street?
If a politics geek like me missed it then no shock the public has. Or maybe the public lacks your TARDIS?
You must have missed them, though I'm not sure how.
The public aren't sophisticated or geeky enough to foresee Boris being leader. Look at the 2007 polls for precedent. Even when Brown becoming leader was basically guaranteed the Tories still polled a lead. Every single poll bar 1 in 2007 leading up to Brown officially becoming leader showed a Tory lead.
Every single poll after Brown became leader for the following months had a Labour lead. Without exception.
The bounce happened when Brown entered Downing Street not before. If there is to be a Boris bounce (and it's not guaranteed) it will be after his election not before.0 -
There is nothing unpleasant in that but you may wish to consider that the way you described the difference between male and female wasPhilip_Thompson said:
I think Truss would make a fantastic Chancellor of the Exchequer not mere Business Secretary.HYUFD said:
Truss as Business Secretary, Leadsom promoted etcBig_G_NorthWales said:
And where are the ladies.HYUFD said:David Davis is a good bet, with Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary and Hunt Deputy PM
But I would make Truss Chancellor because I think she is the best person for the job IMO. Not because I want a token woman.
I don't see what is unpleasant about that Big_G.0 -
I thought Root was supposed to be good?-1
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He turned out to be more a plant than a root,Gallowgate said:I thought Root was supposed to be good?
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The result it gave was almost identical to the last one with May as leader, bar 1% shifting from the Tories to the Brexit Party, that last Comres poll though gave a Boris led Tory Party a clear leadChris said:
Why all the silly stuff about TARDISes, when all you meant was that the polls HYUFD had been talking about prompted for Boris Johnson as leader, and this one doesn't?Philip_Thompson said:
Yes hence why I said have I missed Boris being made leader? You may have a TARDIS but in my timeline he isn't yet.Chris said:
Ah - you knew what people meant all the time!Philip_Thompson said:
Yes he is quoting polls with Boris as named leader. This was a poll with May as leader.Chris said:
I think people are referring to HYUFD's posts telling us that Boris Johnson was going to win a landslide based on previous ComRes polls.Philip_Thompson said:
Did I miss Boris becoming PM already? Did I miss him becoming Tory leader already?nico67 said:What happened to the Bozo bounce ?
Where’s HYUFD ? Red alert emergency spin needed .
When did May leave Downing Street?
If a politics geek like me missed it then no shock the public has. Or maybe the public lacks your TARDIS?
You must have missed them, though I'm not sure how.
The public aren't sophisticated or geeky enough to foresee Boris being leader. Look at the 2007 polls for precedent. Even when Brown becoming leader was basically guaranteed the Tories still polled a lead. Every single poll bar 1 in 2007 leading up to Brown officially becoming leader showed a Tory lead.
Every single poll after Brown became leader for the following months had a Labour lead. Without exception.
The bounce happened when Brown entered Downing Street not before. If there is to be a Boris bounce (and it's not guaranteed) it will be after his election not before.
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1148312432768684032?s=200 -
She's got a Upper A Level Maths, donchknow......DecrepitJohnL said:One important question is what has Boris told Liz Truss? Rumours were she'd got the Treasury.
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Probably make a better Home Secretary than any mentioned so farGallowgate said:I thought Root was supposed to be good?
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If you are judging people on gender then what else are you referring to?Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is nothing unpleasant in that but you may wish to consider that the way you described the difference between male and female wasPhilip_Thompson said:
I think Truss would make a fantastic Chancellor of the Exchequer not mere Business Secretary.HYUFD said:
Truss as Business Secretary, Leadsom promoted etcBig_G_NorthWales said:
And where are the ladies.HYUFD said:David Davis is a good bet, with Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary and Hunt Deputy PM
But I would make Truss Chancellor because I think she is the best person for the job IMO. Not because I want a token woman.
I don't see what is unpleasant about that Big_G.
I would rather judge people as individuals and the difference between individuals is frankly far greater than the difference between genders.
We don't need token women. The female cabinet members are just as good as the male ones and can compete on merits rather than getting in as "best woman leftover" to get a token role.0 -
England still rather hot faves on betfair - not sure what I'm missing - they gonna have to start whacking themydoethur said:England really up against it now. Unless Morgan has something special on hand this is New Zealand all the way.
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What an excellent F1 race.
On four occasions, I swapped over from the F1 to the cricket. On three occasions, I got ads. On the fourth, I got what could have been slo-motion cruddyness of people standing around.
Cricket really isn't a sport.
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1) By 2022 - nothing in there about October 31 2019, with (Page 6, since it seems continuously to escape your notice:HYUFD said:
the 2017 Tory manifesto commitment to take GB out of the EUStuartDickson said:
And there we have it! The proof for how deranged Johsonite thinking has become. They are prepared to defend a future Corbyn dictatorship in their Brexit-induced fever.HYUFD said:
If Parliament blocked the key manifesto commitment of an elected PM Corbyn due to Labour Blairite rebels like the Tory diehard Remainer rebels now I would have no problem with Corbyn proroguing Parliament nokle4 said:I disagree with mr Meeks on plenty, not least his tone on many occasions, but I cannot deny that i find the mooted plans to prorogue quite concerning. The reasons dont stack up and it comes from people who openly admit that no cost or price is too high to leave (except the price of voting for the WA for some of them, that price was too high).
Nothing is so great that any cost is worth it. It is incredibly frustrating we have not left yet, but better we dont and even the BXP win an election to no deal at the democratic outrage, than people essentially decide to ignore the will of the present parliament (if it can manage to determine what its will is).
I believe in parliamentary democracy. This parliament was elected after the referendum and has behaved terribly - not reaching compromise to deliver what most said they would do and a large group always intending to stymie it. The solution is the parliament faces the consequences at the next election, whenever that is.
That would delay Brexit, might even halt it for a bit. But if we are outraged by our representatives we will choose other ones.
Better that than some Dominic Grieve style too clever by half constitutional wrangling.
Yes the legal position is no deal and if they did not want that they should not have triggered A50. But while I dislike what the parliament has done and has not done, while it is there it is entitled to indicate its will as best it sees fit.
Proroguing for no purpose other than partisan politics is a dangerous game to play. If its happened before thats no excuse to do it again, it can escalate badly and this time we see the political culture devolve.
Do the Tories want Corbyn to see proroguing as nothing but a convenient tool in the arsenal.
Call the men in white coats.
2) a smooth and orderly departure from the European Union and forge a deep and special partnership with our friends and allies across Europe.
On what planet does a "No Deal" Hard Brexit, not paying our debts deliver (2)?0 -
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5.6 per over RRR that's quite achievable by smart cricket no need to whack it yet.JBriskinindyref2 said:
England still rather hot faves on betfair - not sure what I'm missing - they gonna have to start whacking themydoethur said:England really up against it now. Unless Morgan has something special on hand this is New Zealand all the way.
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Is there a page that shows the respective teams "worms"?0
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A smooth and orderly managed No Deal leading to a Canada style FTA with the EU that is how.CarlottaVance said:
1) By 2022 - nothing in there about October 31 2019, with (Page 6, since it seems continuously to escape your notice:HYUFD said:
the 2017 Tory manifesto commitment to take GB out of the EUStuartDickson said:
And there we have it! The proof for how deranged Johsonite thinking has become. They are prepared to defend a future Corbyn dictatorship in their Brexit-induced fever.HYUFD said:
If Parliament blocked the key manifesto commitment of an elected PM Corbyn due to Labour Blairite rebels like the Tory diehard Remainer rebels now I would have no problem with Corbyn proroguing Parliament nokle4 said:I disagree with mr Meeks on plenty, not least his tone on many occasions, but I cannot deny that i find the mooted plans to prorogue quite concerning. The reasons dont stack up and it comes from people who openly admit that no cost or price is too high to leave (except the price of voting for the WA for some promise to deliver what most said they would do and a large group always intending to stymie it. The solution is the parliament faces the consequences at the next election, whenever that is.
That would delay Brexit, might even halt it for a bit. But if we are outraged by our representatives we will choose other ones.
Better that than some Dominic Grieve style too clever by half constitutional wrangling.
Yes the legal position is no deal and if they did not want that they should not have triggered A50. But while I dislike what the parliament has done and has not done, while it is there it is entitled to indicate its will as best it sees fit.
Proroguing for no purpose other than partisan politics is a dangerous game to play. If its happened before thats no excuse to do it again, it can escalate badly and this time we see the political culture devolve.
Do the Tories want Corbyn to see proroguing as nothing but a convenient tool in the arsenal.
Call the men in white coats.
2) a smooth and orderly departure from the European Union and forge a deep and special partnership with our friends and allies across Europe.
On what planet does a "No Deal" Hard Brexit, not paying our debts deliver (2)?
Without a Tory majority it is clear the current Commons will never vote for the Withdrawal Agreement anyway, that needs about 30 more Labour MPs to vote for it and that is clearly not going to happen now or else not only every Tory MP to vote for it but the DUP to vote for it too and that will not happen either0 -
BBC posted the worm recently but I don't know if there's a page with it being constantly updated.Philip_Thompson said:Is there a page that shows the respective teams "worms"?
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under the scoresPhilip_Thompson said:Is there a page that shows the respective teams "worms"?
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Bairstow out for 36.0
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And anther wicket Bairstow0
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I do not disagree. But HYFUD seems to expect men in major positions when like for like the women are betterPhilip_Thompson said:
If you are judging people on gender then what else are you referring to?Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is nothing unpleasant in that but you may wish to consider that the way you described the difference between male and female wasPhilip_Thompson said:
I think Truss would make a fantastic Chancellor of the Exchequer not mere Business Secretary.HYUFD said:
Truss as Business Secretary, Leadsom promoted etcBig_G_NorthWales said:
And where are the ladies.HYUFD said:David Davis is a good bet, with Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary and Hunt Deputy PM
But I would make Truss Chancellor because I think she is the best person for the job IMO. Not because I want a token woman.
I don't see what is unpleasant about that Big_G.
I would rather judge people as individuals and the difference between individuals is frankly far greater than the difference between genders.
We don't need token women. The female cabinet members are just as good as the male ones and can compete on merits rather than getting in as "best woman leftover" to get a token role.0 -
That sounds like a long wait.Philip_Thompson said:
We should be thinking about who the best people for the job are not what genitals they haveBig_G_NorthWales said:
He has to provide a gender balance.MarqueeMark said:On topic, Andrea Leadsom worth thinking about. Coupled with Truss as Chancellor, Boris would be looking at two women in the top posts of Govt.
And if Truss is the best she should be getting the job because she is worthy not because she is the best lady.0 -
Truss would make a very good Chancellor on ideas alone, I fear she is a bit Matt Hancock-esque and would be prone to gaffes and not coming across seriously. Having both the PM and CoE seen as lightweight is not a good look.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is nothing unpleasant in that but you may wish to consider that the way you described the difference between male and female wasPhilip_Thompson said:
I think Truss would make a fantastic Chancellor of the Exchequer not mere Business Secretary.HYUFD said:
Truss as Business Secretary, Leadsom promoted etcBig_G_NorthWales said:
And where are the ladies.HYUFD said:David Davis is a good bet, with Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary and Hunt Deputy PM
But I would make Truss Chancellor because I think she is the best person for the job IMO. Not because I want a token woman.
I don't see what is unpleasant about that Big_G.
BTW, why are we so sure Javid will become CoE? Having an ex-banker as the new CoE might not be the best look0 -
So are England gonna lose this?-1
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https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8039/statistics/1144530/england-vs-new-zealand-final-icc-cricket-world-cup-2019Philip_Thompson said:Is there a page that shows the respective teams "worms"?
Click on the statistics tab, the bottom chart has the worms.0 -
England making heavy weather of this-1
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I just put £100 on the Kiwis at 2/1, to help ease the disappointment.Gallowgate said:So are England gonna lose this?
Edit: both teams now evens, that was lucky timing.
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The value's gotten be on NZ but I don't do unpatriotic betsGallowgate said:So are England gonna lose this?
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Soz - NZ now favourites with that wicket. I have no idea where the value is.JBriskinindyref2 said:
The value's gotten be on NZ but I don't do unpatriotic betsGallowgate said:So are England gonna lose this?
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Good grief another wicket .
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Javid would be the first ethnic minority Chancellor though just as Truss would be the first female ChancellorTheKitchenCabinet said:
Truss would make a very good Chancellor on ideas alone, I fear she is a bit Matt Hancock-esque and would be prone to gaffes and not coming across seriously. Having both the PM and CoE seen as lightweight is not a good look.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is nothing unpleasant in that but you may wish to consider that the way you described the difference between male and female wasPhilip_Thompson said:
I think Truss would make a fantastic Chancellor of the Exchequer not mere Business Secretary.HYUFD said:
Truss as Business Secretary, Leadsom promoted etcBig_G_NorthWales said:
And where are the ladies.HYUFD said:David Davis is a good bet, with Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary and Hunt Deputy PM
But I would make Truss Chancellor because I think she is the best person for the job IMO. Not because I want a token woman.
I don't see what is unpleasant about that Big_G.
BTW, why are we so sure Javid will become CoE? Having an ex-banker as the new CoE might not be the best look0 -
England collapsing in an embarrassing heap here.
This is New Zealand's to lose.0 -
Guto Bebb - another one to watch.0
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Brexit by 31 Oct 2019 might save the Conservative Party.CarlottaVance said:
1) By 2022 - nothing in there about October 31 2019, with (Page 6, since it seems continuously to escape your notice:HYUFD said:
the 2017 Tory manifesto commitment to take GB out of the EUStuartDickson said:
And there we have it! The proof for how deranged Johsonite thinking has become. They are prepared to defend a future Corbyn dictatorship in their Brexit-induced fever.HYUFD said:
If Parliament blocked the key manifesto commitment of an elected PM Corbyn due to Labour Blairite rebels like the Tory diehard Remainer rebels now I would have no problem with Corbyn proroguing Parliament nokle4 said:I disagree with mr Meeks on plenty, not least his tone on many occasions, but I cannot deny that i find the mooted plans to prorogue quite concerning. The reasons dont stack up and it comes from people who openly admit that no cost or price is too high to leave (except the price of voting for the WA for some of them, that price was too high).
Nothing is so great that any cost is worth it. It is incredibly frustrating we have not left yet, but better we dont and even the BXP win an election to no deal at the democratic outrage, than people essentially decide to ignore the will of the present parliament (if it can manage to determine what its will is).
I believe in parliamentary democracy. This parliament was elected after the referendum and has behaved terribly - not reaching compromise to deliver what most said they would do and a large group always intending to stymie it. The solution is the parliament faces the consequences at the next election, whenever that is.
That would delay Brexit, might even halt it for a bit. But if we are outraged by our representatives we will choose other ones.
Better that than some Dominic Grieve style too clever by half constitutional wrangling.
Yes the legal position is no deal and if they did not want that they should not have triggered A50. But while I dislike what the parliament has done and has not done, while it is there it is entitled to indicate its will as best it sees fit.
Proroguing for no purpose other than partisan politics is a dangerous game to play. If its happened before thats no excuse to do it again, it can escalate badly and this time we see the political culture devolve.
Do the Tories want Corbyn to see proroguing as nothing but a convenient tool in the arsenal.
Call the men in white coats.
2) a smooth and orderly departure from the European Union and forge a deep and special partnership with our friends and allies across Europe.
On what planet does a "No Deal" Hard Brexit, not paying our debts deliver (2)?
Brexit by 2022 (per your manifesto) would not.0 -
Yikes that does not look pretty. We have quite a few runs less and lost 2 wickets more than NZ at this stage.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8039/statistics/1144530/england-vs-new-zealand-final-icc-cricket-world-cup-2019Philip_Thompson said:Is there a page that shows the respective teams "worms"?
Click on the statistics tab, the bottom chart has the worms.
The only positive is that NZ worm remained steady, no uplift at the end. But then throughout the tournament there rarely seems to be the traditional uplift at the end.0 -
If the men are better then so be it and they should get the posts and we shouldn't ask where the ladies are.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not disagree. But HYFUD seems to expect men in major positions when like for like the women are betterPhilip_Thompson said:
If you are judging people on gender then what else are you referring to?Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is nothing unpleasant in that but you may wish to consider that the way you described the difference between male and female wasPhilip_Thompson said:
I think Truss would make a fantastic Chancellor of the Exchequer not mere Business Secretary.HYUFD said:
Truss as Business Secretary, Leadsom promoted etcBig_G_NorthWales said:
And where are the ladies.HYUFD said:David Davis is a good bet, with Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary and Hunt Deputy PM
But I would make Truss Chancellor because I think she is the best person for the job IMO. Not because I want a token woman.
I don't see what is unpleasant about that Big_G.
I would rather judge people as individuals and the difference between individuals is frankly far greater than the difference between genders.
We don't need token women. The female cabinet members are just as good as the male ones and can compete on merits rather than getting in as "best woman leftover" to get a token role.
But I don't think they are.
I would keep Javid as Home Secretary, keep Hunt as Foreign Secretary and make Truss Chancellor. Not a major reshuffle but that can come in other roles.1 -
Neither side are hitting fours or sixes. They are struggling on this wicketPhilip_Thompson said:
Yikes that does not look pretty. We have quite a few runs less and lost 2 wickets more than NZ at this stage.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8039/statistics/1144530/england-vs-new-zealand-final-icc-cricket-world-cup-2019Philip_Thompson said:Is there a page that shows the respective teams "worms"?
Click on the statistics tab, the bottom chart has the worms.
The only positive is that NZ worm remained steady, no uplift at the end. But then throughout the tournament there rarely seems to be the traditional uplift at the end.-1 -
They're gonna have to start whacking them!Philip_Thompson said:
Yikes that does not look pretty. We have quite a few runs less and lost 2 wickets more than NZ at this stage.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8039/statistics/1144530/england-vs-new-zealand-final-icc-cricket-world-cup-2019Philip_Thompson said:Is there a page that shows the respective teams "worms"?
Click on the statistics tab, the bottom chart has the worms.
The only positive is that NZ worm remained steady, no uplift at the end. But then throughout the tournament there rarely seems to be the traditional uplift at the end.0 -
So frigging what!?HYUFD said:
Javid would be the first ethnic minority Chancellor though just as Truss would be the first female ChancellorTheKitchenCabinet said:
Truss would make a very good Chancellor on ideas alone, I fear she is a bit Matt Hancock-esque and would be prone to gaffes and not coming across seriously. Having both the PM and CoE seen as lightweight is not a good look.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is nothing unpleasant in that but you may wish to consider that the way you described the difference between male and female wasPhilip_Thompson said:
I think Truss would make a fantastic Chancellor of the Exchequer not mere Business Secretary.HYUFD said:
Truss as Business Secretary, Leadsom promoted etcBig_G_NorthWales said:
And where are the ladies.HYUFD said:David Davis is a good bet, with Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary and Hunt Deputy PM
But I would make Truss Chancellor because I think she is the best person for the job IMO. Not because I want a token woman.
I don't see what is unpleasant about that Big_G.
BTW, why are we so sure Javid will become CoE? Having an ex-banker as the new CoE might not be the best look
Who is better: Javid or Truss. That should be all that matters!
If Javid is better great give him the role. If Truss is better great give her the role. I couldn't care less about their skin colour or genitals that has nothing to do with the role!0 -
We still need less than a run a ball. No need to panic yet.JBriskinindyref2 said:
They're gonna have to start whacking them!Philip_Thompson said:
Yikes that does not look pretty. We have quite a few runs less and lost 2 wickets more than NZ at this stage.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8039/statistics/1144530/england-vs-new-zealand-final-icc-cricket-world-cup-2019Philip_Thompson said:Is there a page that shows the respective teams "worms"?
Click on the statistics tab, the bottom chart has the worms.
The only positive is that NZ worm remained steady, no uplift at the end. But then throughout the tournament there rarely seems to be the traditional uplift at the end.0 -
On topic, I’ve always been nervous about bets where the outcome is based on someone’s appointment, as opposed to an election or other democratic process. It’s quite possible there are people who *know* the outcome, some time before the rest of us.0
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NZ dotting Eng to death here. Stokes and Morgan are going to have to find the 1s and 2s in the leg side and then start going over the top from 35 overs in.
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Poland to build world’s largest airport.
Il sorpasso II is on the cards.
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I think they both have the right credentials, I would be happy with either, just pointing out the appointment of either will be a first for a ChancellorPhilip_Thompson said:
So frigging what!?HYUFD said:
Javid would be the first ethnic minority Chancellor though just as Truss would be the first female ChancellorTheKitchenCabinet said:
Truss would make a very good Chancellor on ideas alone, I fear she is a bit Matt Hancock-esque and would be prone to gaffes and not coming across seriously. Having both the PM and CoE seen as lightweight is not a good look.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is nothing unpleasant in that but you may wish to consider that the way you described the difference between male and female wasPhilip_Thompson said:
I think Truss would make a fantastic Chancellor of the Exchequer not mere Business Secretary.HYUFD said:
Truss as Business Secretary, Leadsom promoted etcBig_G_NorthWales said:
And where are the ladies.HYUFD said:David Davis is a good bet, with Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary and Hunt Deputy PM
But I would make Truss Chancellor because I think she is the best person for the job IMO. Not because I want a token woman.
I don't see what is unpleasant about that Big_G.
BTW, why are we so sure Javid will become CoE? Having an ex-banker as the new CoE might not be the best look
Who is better: Javid or Truss. That should be all that matters!
If Javid is better great give him the role. If Truss is better great give her the role. I couldn't care less about their skin colour or genitals that has nothing to do with the role!0 -
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Morgan out.
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But helmets off to NZ. They have bowled an endless supply of unplayable balls.ydoethur said:England collapsing in an embarrassing heap here.
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Buttler ODI ranking 19 - Can they pull of the Hollywood ending?0
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I think the assumption was Roy and Bairstow would put together a rapid stand and then England would amble to victory.AndyJS said:I always thought New Zealand had a very good chance of winning this match. I don't know why so many commentators seemed to be taking an England victory almost granted.
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Tory Remainers ‘plot to bring down Boris Johnson within days by quitting and joining Lib Dems’
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9503549/tory-remainers-boris-johnson-lib-dems/amp/
Year of next GE - best prices
2019 5/4
2022 or later 3/1
2020 4/1
2021 12/1
Is 2019 starting to look nailed on?
How many PPCs are in place? Could be a hectic autumn.
Why are there only two individual constituency markets up (Islington North; Uxbridge and South Ruislip)? How about an East Dunbartonshire market.
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