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Gina Miller joins Sir John Major in saying she will take the next PM to court if they try to prorogue Parliament to force through a No Deal Brexit
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She's had her time away at the camp, and we can report that the re-education programme has been successful.HYUFD said:0 -
Name one who made a manifesto commitment that the deadline was 31st October, Deal or No deal.HYUFD said:
Name me one Tory MP who made a personal manifesto commitment to their constituents to vote against Brexit unless it was with a Deal? Or who indeed promised to vote against Brexit Deal or No Deal like Grieve?alex. said:
If Parliament won't vote for it, that is, by definition, evidence that the Tory manifesto (even as twisted to support your interpretation) didn't have a majority to pass. You acknowledge that for every other thing in it, so it is illogical to claim that this is somehow different.HYUFD said:
'We will take Britain out of the European Union' was an explicit Tory manifesto commitment, now that could be in a 'smooth and orderly' way with May's Deal but Parliament thrice rejected that so it will have to be with the most 'smooth and orderly' managed No Deal instead if Parliament still refuses to vote for the Withdrawal Agreementalex. said:
There’s no “ideally” about it. Delivering a smooth and orderly transition was an explicit commitment. And not by an arbitrarily imposed deadline either.HYUFD said:
No I don't, I still want a Brexit Deal but as the current Commons clearly refuses to pass one to respect the Leave vote in 2016 No Deal it will have to be unless the Tories can get a majority to pass a Deal before October 31st.CarlottaVance said:
Yet you argue that “No Deal” will be “smooth and orderly” and somehow result in a “deep and special partnership”!
The Tories manifesto commitment was clear we would leave the EU, ideally in a smooth or orderly fashion but nonetheless to Leave regardless
There will have been Tory MPs who made firm pledges to their constituents that they would only leave with a deal. They are under no obligation to support No deal, and that would defy the basis on which they were elected.0 -
The writing is on the wall.HYUFD said:0 -
Great news and she has the brilliant Lord Pannick QC on the team . Love Gina Miller , an absolute hero . Go Gina !HYUFD said:Gina Miller joins Sir John Major in saying she will take the next PM to court if they try to prorogue Parliament to force through a No Deal Brexit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48980408
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Will he resign the Tory Whip? I know he is ex-Plaid.Big_G_NorthWales said:Geto Bebb not seeking re-election at the GE
Good decision as he has annoyed many people and not just over brexit
However, he must be a possible vonc supporter as he refused to vote for either Boris or Hunt
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With MPs not seeking re election what happens if there’s a snap election .
How would parties get a new candidate in time.0 -
England going to be chasing 300+, maybe 350, the way things are going.-1
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Thanks . I suppose the problem for the Tories is those with little to lose could cause a lot of trouble .justin124 said:
Not unusual. Many candidates get selected at the last moment. Particularly true in 2017!nico67 said:With MPs not seeking re election what happens if there’s a snap election .
How would parties get a new candidate in time.0 -
Certainly Kane Williamson is looking very ominous.FrancisUrquhart said:England going to be chasing 300+, maybe 350, the way things are going.
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What a review!0
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Looks a good batting pitch, but I think we missed our opportunity early on.ydoethur said:
Certainly Kane Williamson is looking very ominous.FrancisUrquhart said:England going to be chasing 300+, maybe 350, the way things are going.
Ominous indeed.
That was exceptionally well timed.
I think I’ll give up posting and go back to watching.
Dharma again.0 -
Crap umpire strikes again....the david lammy of umpires.0
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Neesham's still there. If he goes big it could still be 300+ and no score over 250 is a gimme against Boult and Ferguson.Nigelb said:
Looks a good batting pitch, but I think we missed our opportunity early on.ydoethur said:
Certainly Kane Williamson is looking very ominous.FrancisUrquhart said:England going to be chasing 300+, maybe 350, the way things are going.
Ominous indeed.
That was exceptionally well timed.
I think I’ll give up posting and go back to watching.
Dharma again.
Edit - I meant Nicholls, of course!0 -
Nit that it would have made a difference in that review but is there a reason hotspot isn't used anymore?0
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In fairness to Dharmesena I thought that review was more desperation than expectation.FrancisUrquhart said:Crap umpire strikes again....the david lammy of umpires.
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The Tory manifesto was to take Britain out of the EU, anyone who has voted against the Withdrawal Agreement and against No Deal has refused to do soAndy_Cooke said:
Name one who made a manifesto commitment that the deadline was 31st October, Deal or No deal.HYUFD said:
Name me one Tory MP who made a personal manifesto commitment to their constituents to vote against Brexit unless it was with a Deal? Or who indeed promised to vote against Brexit Deal or No Deal like Grieve?alex. said:
If Parliament won't vote for it, that is, by definition, evidence that the Tory manifesto (even as twisted to support your interpretation) didn't have a majority to pass. You acknowledge that for every other thing in it, so it is illogical to claim that this is somehow different.HYUFD said:
'We will take Britain out of the European Union' was an explicit Tory manifesto commitment, now that could be in a 'smooth and orderly' way with May's Deal but Parliament thrice rejected that so it will have to be with the most 'smooth and orderly' managed No Deal instead if Parliament still refuses to vote for the Withdrawal Agreementalex. said:
There’s no “ideally” about it. Delivering a smooth and orderly transition was an explicit commitment. And not by an arbitrarily imposed deadline either.HYUFD said:
No I don't, I still want a Brexit Deal but as the current Commons clearly refuses to pass one to respect the Leave vote in 2016 No Deal it will have to be unless the Tories can get a majority to pass a Deal before October 31st.CarlottaVance said:
Yet you argue that “No Deal” will be “smooth and orderly” and somehow result in a “deep and special partnership”!
The Tories manifesto commitment was clear we would leave the EU, ideally in a smooth or orderly fashion but nonetheless to Leave regardless
There will have been Tory MPs who made firm pledges to their constituents that they would only leave with a deal. They are under no obligation to support No deal, and that would defy the basis on which they were elected.0 -
It isn't very reliable. For example, it would have given that not out. It was only used because Snicko used to take too long to set up. Now it can be made available quickly, Hotspot's been ditched.Philip_Thompson said:Nit that it would have made a difference in that review but is there a reason hotspot isn't used anymore?
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Are we really saying we're comfortable with the idea that if 35% of the population are committed to and vote for no-deal-diamond-hard brexit at the next GE, then that's what we do?tlg86 said:
Labour won a 66 seat majority on 35% of the vote in 2005. We've since had a referendum at which 68% supported First Past The Post.kyf_100 said:
While I'm inclined to agree with you and everyone else who answered yes, with one party committed to leaving the EU immediately deal or no deal (probably the latter), the threshold for achieving a no-deal-diamond-hard-brexit is probably only about 40% of the country at the next GE, perhaps even less under a four way split.Foxy said:
Yes, just as a post Brexit election delivering a mandate to a party committed to rejoin is democratic. We are a parliamentary democracy.kyf_100 said:It's easy to use "but democracy" to support any position you want.
You could argue democracy was under threat from the moment Parliament decided to do everything it could to avoid carrying out the result of the 2016 referendum.
Proroguing Parliament to force no deal is also, as Mr Meeks points out, an outrage to democracy.
But what I want to know is, if we have a second referendum, at which the result is narrowly to remain - say 52/48, then a year after the second referendum we have a general election at which the Brexit Party wins a majority with 40% of the vote on a manifesto pledge to leave more immediately, do they have a democratic mandate to do so?
Technically it's how our democracy works, but I think most would be howling with outrage if it came to pass.
Whatever the outcome of the next GE, there can be no complaints.
At that point I would suggest that democracy in the UK is completely broken. Doubly so if it comes after a second referendum where there is a narrow majority for remaining.0 -
Amber Rudd, what was it about Boris Johnson's forthcoming Cabinet of only Brexiteers that made you change your mind on Brexit and 2nd vote?ThomasNashe said:
She's had her time away at the camp, and we can report that the re-education programme has been successful.HYUFD said:0 -
It was expensive. also there is some suggestion that it was flawed, which batsman putting various tape on the edges that meant it didn't show up.Philip_Thompson said:Nit that it would have made a difference in that review but is there a reason hotspot isn't used anymore?
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Your efforts to England cricket will be remembered when the next honours are announced.ydoethur said:
Certainly Kane Williamson is looking very ominous.FrancisUrquhart said:England going to be chasing 300+, maybe 350, the way things are going.
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MPs have had plenty of opportunities to avoid a no-deal Brexit. If they can't see what we can see as a possibility, that's their problem.kyf_100 said:
Are we really saying we're comfortable with the idea that if 35% of the population are committed to and vote for no-deal-diamond-hard brexit at the next GE, then that's what we do?tlg86 said:
Labour won a 66 seat majority on 35% of the vote in 2005. We've since had a referendum at which 68% supported First Past The Post.kyf_100 said:
While I'm inclined to agree with you and everyone else who answered yes, with one party committed to leaving the EU immediately deal or no deal (probably the latter), the threshold for achieving a no-deal-diamond-hard-brexit is probably only about 40% of the country at the next GE, perhaps even less under a four way split.Foxy said:
Yes, just as a post Brexit election delivering a mandate to a party committed to rejoin is democratic. We are a parliamentary democracy.kyf_100 said:It's easy to use "but democracy" to support any position you want.
You could argue democracy was under threat from the moment Parliament decided to do everything it could to avoid carrying out the result of the 2016 referendum.
Proroguing Parliament to force no deal is also, as Mr Meeks points out, an outrage to democracy.
But what I want to know is, if we have a second referendum, at which the result is narrowly to remain - say 52/48, then a year after the second referendum we have a general election at which the Brexit Party wins a majority with 40% of the vote on a manifesto pledge to leave more immediately, do they have a democratic mandate to do so?
Technically it's how our democracy works, but I think most would be howling with outrage if it came to pass.
Whatever the outcome of the next GE, there can be no complaints.
At that point I would suggest that democracy in the UK is completely broken. Doubly so if it comes after a second referendum where there is a narrow majority for remaining.0 -
Will a Boris Cabinet still try and push through No Deal Brexit on 31st Oct if we are at war with Iran?0
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As Guinevere said, once a knight is enough.MarqueeMark said:
Your efforts to England cricket will be remembered when the next honours are announced.ydoethur said:
Certainly Kane Williamson is looking very ominous.FrancisUrquhart said:England going to be chasing 300+, maybe 350, the way things are going.
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I did except for how certain the players were. No hesitation whatsoever they knew. I couldn't see or hear why but they did.ydoethur said:
In fairness to Dharmesena I thought that review was more desperation than expectation.FrancisUrquhart said:Crap umpire strikes again....the david lammy of umpires.
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What it actually said was:HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto was to take Britain out of the EU, anyone who has voted against the Withdrawal Agreement and against No Deal has refused to do soAndy_Cooke said:
Name one who made a manifesto commitment that the deadline was 31st October, Deal or No deal.HYUFD said:
Name me one Tory MP who made a personal manifesto commitment to their constituents to vote against Brexit unless it was with a Deal? Or who indeed promised to vote against Brexit Deal or No Deal like Grieve?alex. said:
If Parliament won't vote for it, that is, by definition, evidence that the Tory manifesto (even as twisted to support your interpretation) didn't have a majority to pass. You acknowledge that for every other thing in it, so it is illogical to claim that this is somehow different.HYUFD said:
'We will take Britain out of the European Union' was an explicit Tory manifesto commitment, now that could be in a 'smooth and orderly' way with May's Deal but Parliament thrice rejected that so it will have to be with the most 'smooth and orderly' managed No Deal instead if Parliament still refuses to vote for the Withdrawal Agreementalex. said:
There’s no “ideally” about it. Delivering a smooth and orderly transition was an explicit commitment. And not by an arbitrarily imposed deadline either.HYUFD said:
No I don't, I still want a Brexit Deal but as the current Commons clearly refuses to pass one to respect the Leave vote in 2016 No Deal it will have to be unless the Tories can get a majority to pass a Deal before October 31st.CarlottaVance said:
Yet you argue that “No Deal” will be “smooth and orderly” and somehow result in a “deep and special partnership”!
The Tories manifesto commitment was clear we would leave the EU, ideally in a smooth or orderly fashion but nonetheless to Leave regardless
There will have been Tory MPs who made firm pledges to their constituents that they would only leave with a deal. They are under no obligation to support No deal, and that would defy the basis on which they were elected.
"Theresa May's Conservatives will deliver: The best possible deal for Britain as we leave the European Union delivered by a smooth, orderly Brexit."0 -
Yes, but that's not a guarantee. Stuart Broad is always convinced even if there is six feet of pure daylight between bat and ball.Philip_Thompson said:
I did except for how certain the players were. No hesitation whatsoever they knew. I couldn't see or hear why but they did.ydoethur said:
In fairness to Dharmesena I thought that review was more desperation than expectation.FrancisUrquhart said:Crap umpire strikes again....the david lammy of umpires.
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I was thinking - when was the last time live ODI cricket was on free to air? Was it the 1999 World Cup?0
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I'll take that one too, thanks.0
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England wicket, Nicholls out-1
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Knighthood do?ydoethur said:I'll take that one too, thanks.
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I guess she thinks it very likely she will lose her seat at the next GE and unlikely to get senior roles in the future so staying in cabinet important financially and politicially.rottenborough said:
Amber Rudd, what was it about Boris Johnson's forthcoming Cabinet of only Brexiteers that made you change your mind on Brexit and 2nd vote?ThomasNashe said:
She's had her time away at the camp, and we can report that the re-education programme has been successful.HYUFD said:0 -
Yes.rottenborough said:Will a Boris Cabinet still try and push through No Deal Brexit on 31st Oct if we are at war with Iran?
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Page 7 of the Conservative Party manifesto 2017 'We will get on with the job and take Britain out of the European Union.'Chris said:
What it actually said was:HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto was to take Britain out of the EU, anyone who has voted against the Withdrawal Agreement and against No Deal has refused to do soAndy_Cooke said:
Name one who made a manifesto commitment that the deadline was 31st October, Deal or No deal.HYUFD said:
Name me one Tory MP who made a personal manifesto commitment to their constituents to vote against Brexit unless it was with a Deal? Or who indeed promised to vote against Brexit Deal or No Deal like Grieve?alex. said:
If Parliament won't vote for it, that is, by definition, evidence that the Tory manifesto (even as twisted to support your interpretation) didn't have a majority to pass. You acknowledge that for every other thing in it, so it is illogical to claim that this is somehow different.HYUFD said:
'We will take Britain out of the European Union' was an explicit Tory manifesto commitment, now that could be in reementalex. said:
There’s no “ideally” about it. Delivering a smooth and orderly transition was an explicit commitment. And not by an arbitrarily imposed deadline either.HYUFD said:
No I don't, I still want a Brexit Deal but as the current Commons clearly refuses to pass one to respect the Leave vote in 2016 No Deal it will have to be unless the Tories can get a majority to pass a Deal before October 31st.CarlottaVance said:
Yet you argue that “No Deal” will be “smooth and orderly” and somehow result in a “deep and special partnership”!
The Tories manifesto commitment was clear we would leave the EU, ideally in a smooth or orderly fashion but nonetheless to Leave regardless
There will have been Tory MPs who made firm pledges to their constituents that they would only leave with a deal. They are under no obligation to support No deal, and that would defy the basis on which they were elected.
"Theresa May's Conservatives will deliver: The best possible deal for Britain as we leave the European Union delivered by a smooth, orderly Brexit."
https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/conservative-party-manifestos/Forward+Together+-+Our+Plan+for+a+Stronger+Britain+and+a+More+Prosperous....pdf
Ideally it was to be with May's Deal, the best possible deal negotiated by the Conservative leader in 2017 in her view, MPs rejected that so it will have to be with a smooth, orderly and managed No Deal Brexit instead if MPs have not voted for the Deal by October 31st0 -
Sorry, read it as one day cricket - 1999 final is probably right.ydoethur said:0 -
It's Ross Taylor who'll be in line for a knighthood when he gets 115.MarqueeMark said:
Knighthood do?ydoethur said:I'll take that one too, thanks.
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Only that bastion of implacable moral certainty & principle Ruth Davidson left. Can we have a sweepstake on how many minutes after Boris wins she tweets her support for him?viewcode said:0 -
Having a war, other than by accident, doesn't really seem Boris' style.rottenborough said:Will a Boris Cabinet still try and push through No Deal Brexit on 31st Oct if we are at war with Iran?
S/Lt (Acting) Mordaunt has despatched a T45 to Operation Persian Uncertainty to spice things up though so it might have already kicked off before Boris assumes his final form.1 -
Shane Warne was the absolute extreme example of that. The ball could hit the pads 6 foot away from off stump and he was 100% certain it was a wicket.ydoethur said:
Yes, but that's not a guarantee. Stuart Broad is always convinced even if there is six feet of pure daylight between bat and ball.Philip_Thompson said:
I did except for how certain the players were. No hesitation whatsoever they knew. I couldn't see or hear why but they did.ydoethur said:
In fairness to Dharmesena I thought that review was more desperation than expectation.FrancisUrquhart said:Crap umpire strikes again....the david lammy of umpires.
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Shane Watson's LBW reviews were of course the best!Philip_Thompson said:
Shane Warne was the absolute extreme example of that. The ball could hit the pads 6 foot away from off stump and he was 100% certain it was a wicket.ydoethur said:
Yes, but that's not a guarantee. Stuart Broad is always convinced even if there is six feet of pure daylight between bat and ball.Philip_Thompson said:
I did except for how certain the players were. No hesitation whatsoever they knew. I couldn't see or hear why but they did.ydoethur said:
In fairness to Dharmesena I thought that review was more desperation than expectation.FrancisUrquhart said:Crap umpire strikes again....the david lammy of umpires.
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Yes, he will just ask Trump to help invade France and Belgium as the price of his support.rottenborough said:Will a Boris Cabinet still try and push through No Deal Brexit on 31st Oct if we are at war with Iran?
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Your usual absurd nonsense. Words crafted carefully to exempt those who voted Brexit down but support a no deal exit but not those who support a different type of deal. Shameful.HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto was to take Britain out of the EU, anyone who has voted against the Withdrawal Agreement and against No Deal has refused to do soAndy_Cooke said:
Name one who made a manifesto commitment that the deadline was 31st October, Deal or No deal.HYUFD said:
Name me one Tory MP who made a personal manifesto commitment to their constituents to vote against Brexit unless it was with a Deal? Or who indeed promised to vote against Brexit Deal or No Deal like Grieve?alex. said:
If Parliament won't vote for it, that is, by definition, evidence that the Tory manifesto (even as twisted to support your interpretation) didn't have a majority to pass. You acknowledge that for every other thing in it, so it is illogical to claim that this is somehow different.HYUFD said:
'We will take Britain out of the European Union' was an explicit Tory manifesto commitment, now that could be in a 'smooth and orderly' way with May's Deal but Parliament thrice rejected that so it will have to be with the most 'smooth and orderly' managed No Deal instead if Parliament still refuses to vote for the Withdrawal Agreementalex. said:
There’s no “ideally” about it. Delivering a smooth and orderly transition was an explicit commitment. And not by an arbitrarily imposed deadline either.HYUFD said:
No I don't, I still want a Brexit Deal but as the current Commons clearly refuses to pass one to respect the Leave vote in 2016 No Deal it will have to be unless the Tories can get a majority to pass a Deal before October 31st.CarlottaVance said:
Yet you argue that “No Deal” will be “smooth and orderly” and somehow result in a “deep and special partnership”!
The Tories manifesto commitment was clear we would leave the EU, ideally in a smooth or orderly fashion but nonetheless to Leave regardless
There will have been Tory MPs who made firm pledges to their constituents that they would only leave with a deal. They are under no obligation to support No deal, and that would defy the basis on which they were elected.0 -
If we haven't left, the sight of Iranians chanting "Death to the EU" might make Brexiteers think we're on the wrong side.rottenborough said:Will a Boris Cabinet still try and push through No Deal Brexit on 31st Oct if we are at war with Iran?
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It was on the manifesto leaving comes before wars for goodness sakerottenborough said:Will a Boris Cabinet still try and push through No Deal Brexit on 31st Oct if we are at war with Iran?
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The famous HYUFD sense of humour? 🤨HYUFD said:
Yes, he will just ask Trump to help invade France and Belgium as the price of his support.rottenborough said:Will a Boris Cabinet still try and push through No Deal Brexit on 31st Oct if we are at war with Iran?
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Where are the politicians with principles they would stand down for?
“Both Labour and Conservative MPs are confronted with a career- and character-defining question, and it grows sharper by the week. When do they say to themselves that enough is enough? Where is the point when it becomes indefensible to stay within parties that are so abhorrent to their first-order principles? They will have to talk to their consciences, assuming that they can remember where they left them”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/14/where-are-the-uk-politicians-with-principles-they-would-stand-down-for0 -
I thought the header by Alastair was very well put together.
Brexiteers keep going on about the 17.4 M who voted for Brexit but what about the 50M citizens who did not? I think given MPs have a fresher mandate than the 2016 referendum, we should be taking as much time as they think we need to implement the best strategy. If that means going back to the people with the real options: so be it.0 -
I was decrying the lack of honour and duty in our modern politicians on here the other day, and then, lo and behold, Rudd sells out her principles for a possible place in the Cabinet.IanB2 said:Where are the politicians with principles they would stand down for?
“Both Labour and Conservative MPs are confronted with a career- and character-defining question, and it grows sharper by the week. When do they say to themselves that enough is enough? Where is the point when it becomes indefensible to stay within parties that are so abhorrent to their first-order principles? They will have to talk to their consciences, assuming that they can remember where they left them”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/14/where-are-the-uk-politicians-with-principles-they-would-stand-down-for0 -
The only way Rashid is going to take a wicket bowling like this is if somebody treads on his own stumps.-1
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”We need to deliver a smooth and orderly departure from the European Union and forge a deep and special partnership with our friends and allies across Europe. ”HYUFD said:
Page 7 of the Conservative Party manifesto 2017 'We will get on with the job and take Britain out of the European Union.'Chris said:
What it actually said was:HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto was to take Britain out of the EU, anyone who has voted against the Withdrawal Agreement and against No Deal has refused to do soAndy_Cooke said:
Name one who made a manifesto commitment that the deadline was 31st October, Deal or No deal.HYUFD said:
Name me one Tory MP who made a personal manifesto commitment to their constituents to vote against Brexit unless it was with a Deal? Or who indeed promised to vote against Brexit Deal or No Deal like Grieve?alex. said:
"Theresa May's Conservatives will deliver: The best possible deal for Britain as we leave the European Union delivered by a smooth, orderly Brexit."
https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/conservative-party-manifestos/Forward+Together+-+Our+Plan+for+a+Stronger+Britain+and+a+More+Prosperous....pdf
Ideally it was to be with May's Deal, the best possible deal negotiated by the Conservative leader in 2017 in her view, MPs rejected that so it will have to be with a smooth, orderly and managed No Deal Brexit instead if MPs have not voted for the Deal by October 31st
“The government’s agenda will not be allowed to drift to the right. Our starting point is that we should take decisions on the basis of what works”
“As part of the agreement we strike, we want to make sure that there are as few barriers to trade and investment as possible. ”
“Conservatives will deliver the best possible deal for Britain as we leave the European Union delivered by a smooth, orderly Brexit.”
“We want to ensure our departure is smooth and orderly and to agree a deep and special partnership with the 27 remaining member states.”
“We want fair, orderly negotiations, minimising disruption and giving as much certainty as possible”
“We believe it is necessary to agree the terms of our future partnership alongside our withdrawal, reaching agreement on both within the two years allowed by Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union.”
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Took longer than I was happy with, but I'll take it.ydoethur said:
It's Ross Taylor who'll be in line for a knighthood when he gets 115.MarqueeMark said:
Knighthood do?ydoethur said:I'll take that one too, thanks.
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Why don't the Corbynistas 'no confidence' Watson? Surely that's possible.0
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Guptil and Nicholls have a lot of explaining to do. Still a poor decision from Erasmus, though.0
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And if they didnt have an antisemite enabling terrorist supporting uncle thickie as leader they would be 20 points ahead....rottenborough said:0 -
Yes and the Withdrawal Agreement was produced for Brexit in a smooth and orderly way alongside the political declaration and most Tory MPs voted for it.IanB2 said:
”We need to deliver a smooth and orderly departure from the European Union and forge a deep and special partnership with our friends and allies across Europe. ”HYUFD said:
Page 7 of the Conservative Party manifesto 2017 'We will get on with the job and take Britain out of the European Union.'Chris said:
What it actually orderly Brexit."HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto was to take Britain out of the EU, has refused to do soAndy_Cooke said:
https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/conservative-party-manifestos/Forward+Together+-+Our+Plan+for+a+Stronger+Britain+and+a+More+Prosperous....pdf
Ideally it was to be that so it will have to be with a smooth, orderly and managed No Deal Brexit instead if MPs have not voted for the Deal by October 31st
“The government’s agenda will not be allowed to drift to the right. Our starting point is that we should take decisions on the basis of what works”
“As part of the agreement we strike, we want to make sure that there are as few barriers to trade and investment as possible. ”
“Conservatives will deliver the best possible deal for Britain as we leave the European Union delivered by a smooth, orderly Brexit.”
“We want to ensure our departure is smooth and orderly and to agree a deep and special partnership with the 27 remaining member states.”
“We want fair, orderly negotiations, minimising disruption and giving as much certainty as possible”
“We believe it is necessary to agree the terms of our future partnership alongside our withdrawal, reaching agreement on both within the two years allowed by Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union.”
However diehard Remainer Tory MPs joined the opposition and voted it down so the manifesto commitment on page 7 'We will get on with the job and take Britain out of the European Union' still has to be delivered regardless.
Nowhere in the Tory manifesto does it say they will keep Britain in the EU without a Deal, however on page 7 it makes clear they will take Britain out of the EU without qualification0 -
Main movement there Tories to Brexit Party confirming once again the Tories need Boris as Leader to winrottenborough said:
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I am not sure why england dont go for juggler and bring archer back.-1
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I think they would need 20% of MPs and MEPs to nominate a challenger.Philip_Thompson said:Why don't the Corbynistas 'no confidence' Watson? Surely that's possible.
Trouble is (a) they're not 20% of the party and (b) there's no candidate other than Corbyn himself who is popular with all of them.0 -
Neesham already looking very dangerous here.-1
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A meteor could be about to hit and we’d still be hearing will of the people blah blah .rottenborough said:Will a Boris Cabinet still try and push through No Deal Brexit on 31st Oct if we are at war with Iran?
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Wow! You guys really don't care about the UK, or even the Conservative Party do you?HYUFD said:
Unless 18 million people demonstrate I doubt Boris will care less given 17 million people voted to Leave the EU and he will have delivered on that voteTorby_Fennel said:If Johnson prorogues parliament then I predict we'll see the biggest mass protests and demonstrations in UK history. Surely even Boris Johnson isn't daft or egocentric enough to think that millions taking to the streets to protest against the suspension of democracy on his watch would look good for him?
The Tories will be eviscerated.
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If England win today, their fielding coach deserves a 50% bonus.-1
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AmenFrancisUrquhart said:
And if they didnt have an antisemite enabling terrorist supporting uncle thickie as leader they would be 20 points ahead....rottenborough said:0 -
That's the same issue England had in the Semi though by that point it didn't matter anymore. The idea of reviews is to reverse clear and obvious mistakes not wishful thinking. Reviewing plumb LBWs is just wishful thinking and then squandered your chance for later.tlg86 said:Guptil and Nicholls have a lot of explaining to do. Still a poor decision from Erasmus, though.
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Country before party.Cicero said:
Wow! You guys really don't care about the UK, or even the Conservative Party do you?HYUFD said:
Unless 18 million people demonstrate I doubt Boris will care less given 17 million people voted to Leave the EU and he will have delivered on that voteTorby_Fennel said:If Johnson prorogues parliament then I predict we'll see the biggest mass protests and demonstrations in UK history. Surely even Boris Johnson isn't daft or egocentric enough to think that millions taking to the streets to protest against the suspension of democracy on his watch would look good for him?
The Tories will be eviscerated.
Good.
If the Tories get eviscerated so be it they will have done the right thing first.0 -
It's always the poor bloody juggler that cops it for it....FrancisUrquhart said:I am not sure why england dont go for juggler and bring archer back.
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There's your answer. Pace bowling means pacey boundaries.FrancisUrquhart said:I am not sure why england dont go for juggler and bring archer back.
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Lol....bloody autocorrect.MarqueeMark said:
It's always the poor bloody juggler that cops it for it....FrancisUrquhart said:I am not sure why england dont go for juggler and bring archer back.
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Was it a balls-up?FrancisUrquhart said:
Lol....bloody autocorrect.MarqueeMark said:
It's always the poor bloody juggler that cops it for it....FrancisUrquhart said:I am not sure why england dont go for juggler and bring archer back.
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"However diehard Remainer Tory MPs joined the opposition and voted it down so the manifesto commitment on page 7"HYUFD said:
Yes and the Withdrawal Agreement was produced for Brexit in a smooth and orderly way alongside the political declaration and most Tory MPs voted for it.IanB2 said:
”We need to deliver a smooth and orderly departure from the European Union and forge a deep and special partnership with our friends and allies across Europe. ”HYUFD said:
Page 7 of the Conservative Party manifesto 2017 'We will get on with the job and take Britain out of the European Union.'Chris said:HYUFD said:Andy_Cooke said:
https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/conservative-party-manifestos/Forward+Together+-
Ideally it was to be that so it will have to be with a smooth, orderly and managed No Deal Brexit instead if MPs have not voted for the Deal by October 31st
“The government’s agenda will not be allowed to drift to the right. Our starting point is that we should take decisions on the basis of what works”
“As part of the agreement we strike, we want to make sure that there are as few barriers to trade and investment as possible. ”
“Conservatives will deliver the best possible deal for Britain as we leave the European Union delivered by a smooth, orderly Brexit.”
“We want to ensure our departure is smooth and orderly and to agree a deep and special partnership with the 27 remaining member states.”
“We want fair, orderly negotiations, minimising disruption and giving as much certainty as possible”
“We believe it is necessary to agree the terms of our future partnership alongside our withdrawal, reaching agreement on both within the two years allowed by Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union.”
However diehard Remainer Tory MPs joined the opposition and voted it down so the manifesto commitment on page 7 'We will get on with the job and take Britain out of the European Union' still has to be delivered regardless.
Nowhere in the Tory manifesto does it say they will keep Britain in the EU without a Deal, however on page 7 it makes clear they will take Britain out of the EU without qualification
HYUFD: Not only do you make selective choices with polls but it seems also with votes. Remainer Tories ?
How did the ERG vote ? How can you be so blatantly selective ?0 -
I wonder how many remainers who have stuck with the Conservatives so far will think that if even someone like Rudd isn't reliable, what is the point?viewcode said:
I'll be meeting one at a social do tonight. I'll ask him.0 -
Keep clutching your comfort blanket, out of date, polling...HYUFD said:
Main movement there Tories to Brexit Party confirming once again the Tories need Boris as Leader to winrottenborough said:
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But the ERG appear to be closet remainers, representing the Deep State.surbiton19 said:How did the ERG vote ? How can you be so blatantly selective ?
(As an aside, would be hilarious if Baker, Francois, Mogg et al were deselected for failing to vote to leave when they had the chance.)0 -
Its a shame tymal mills back means he will never fulfill his potential. Imagine england having three 95mph bowlers!!!0
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De Grandhomme is dangerous. Scores quickly and safely. If he stays for seven overs New Zealand will have set a tough target.0
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Cricwiz model has england 84%.... absolute nonsense.ydoethur said:De Grandhomme is dangerous. Scores quickly and safely. If he stays for seven overs New Zealand will have set a tough target.
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nico67 said:
A meteor could be about to hit and we’d still be hearing will of the people blah blah .rottenborough said:Will a Boris Cabinet still try and push through No Deal Brexit on 31st Oct if we are at war with Iran?
If we hadn’t left by the time it hit we wouldn’t be able to get into the land of the perfect opinion poll heavennico67 said:
A meteor could be about to hit and we’d still be hearing will of the people blah blah .rottenborough said:Will a Boris Cabinet still try and push through No Deal Brexit on 31st Oct if we are at war with Iran?
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Google has England 79% which seems more realistic but even then I'm not sure about it.FrancisUrquhart said:
Cricwiz model has england 84%.... absolute nonsense.ydoethur said:De Grandhomme is dangerous. Scores quickly and safely. If he stays for seven overs New Zealand will have set a tough target.
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An Archer wicket or two would be useful.-1
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What a world we live in, when agreeing to support your party leader after he's won an election with the support of the majority of the members, can somehow be spun as a negative.Theuniondivvie said:
Only that bastion of implacable moral certainty & principle Ruth Davidson left. Can we have a sweepstake on how many minutes after Boris wins she tweets her support for him?viewcode said:0 -
Apparently not:Philip_Thompson said:Why don't the Corbynistas 'no confidence' Watson? Surely that's possible.
https://twitter.com/maxshanly/status/11501023537369497610 -
I'm so fed up of Brexit I'd vote for the meteor.nico67 said:
A meteor could be about to hit and we’d still be hearing will of the people blah blah .rottenborough said:Will a Boris Cabinet still try and push through No Deal Brexit on 31st Oct if we are at war with Iran?
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Couldn't possibly make a worse mess of things than Corbyn or Johnson.Recidivist said:
I'm so fed up of Brexit I'd vote for the meteor.nico67 said:
A meteor could be about to hit and we’d still be hearing will of the people blah blah .rottenborough said:Will a Boris Cabinet still try and push through No Deal Brexit on 31st Oct if we are at war with Iran?
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You really have no integrity, do you?HYUFD said:
Yes and the Withdrawal Agreement was produced for Brexit in a smooth and orderly way alongside the political declaration and most Tory MPs voted for it.IanB2 said:
”We need to deliver a smooth and orderly departure from the European Union and forge a deep and special partnership with our friends and allies across Europe. ”HYUFD said:
tChris said:
What it actually orderly Brexit."HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto was to take Britain out of the EU, has refused to do soAndy_Cooke said:
“The government’s agenda will not be allowed to drift to the right. Our starting point is that we should take decisions on the basis of what works”
“As part of the agreement we strike, we want to make sure that there are as few barriers to trade and investment as possible. ”
“Conservatives will deliver the best possible deal for Britain as we leave the European Union delivered by a smooth, orderly Brexit.”
“We want to ensure our departure is smooth and orderly and to agree a deep and special partnership with the 27 remaining member states.”
“We want fair, orderly negotiations, minimising disruption and giving as much certainty as possible”
“We believe it is necessary to agree the terms of our future partnership alongside our withdrawal, reaching agreement on both within the two years allowed by Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union.”
However diehard Remainer Tory MPs joined the opposition and voted it down so the manifesto commitment on page 7 'We will get on with the job and take Britain out of the European Union' still has to be delivered regardless.
Nowhere in the Tory manifesto does it say they will keep Britain in the EU without a Deal, however on page 7 it makes clear they will take Britain out of the EU without qualification
The handful of Tory remainers who opposed the deal were cancelled out by the handful of Labour leavers who backed it. The reason it sunk, as before, was because the ERG so-called ‘Spartans’ plus the DUP opposed.
Until you are willing to face the truth that Brexit was sunk by its most fanatical adherents, you won’t have any respect in here.0 -
Why can’t he just call them bastards?IanB2 said:
You really have no integrity, do you?HYUFD said:
Yes and the Withdrawal Agreement was produced for Brexit in a smooth and orderly way alongside the political declaration and most Tory MPs voted for it.IanB2 said:
”We need to deliver a smooth and orderly departure from the European Union and forge a deep and special partnership with our friends and allies across Europe. ”HYUFD said:
tChris said:
What it actually orderly Brexit."HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto was to take Britain out of the EU, has refused to do soAndy_Cooke said:
“The government’s agenda will not be allowed to drift to the right. Our starting point is that we should take decisions on the basis of what works”
“As part of the agreement we strike, we want to make sure that there are as few barriers to trade and investment as possible. ”
“Conservatives will deliver the best possible deal for Britain as we leave the European Union delivered by a smooth, orderly Brexit.”
“We want to ensure our departure is smooth and orderly and to agree a deep and special partnership with the 27 remaining member states
“We believe it is necessary to agree the terms of our future partnership alongside our withdrawal, reaching agreement on both within the two years allowed by Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union.”
However diehard Remainer Tory MPs joined the opposition and voted it down so the manifesto commitment on page 7 'We will get on with the job and take Britain out of the European Union' still has to be delivered regardless.
Nowhere in the Tory manifesto does it say they will keep Britain in the EU without a Deal, however on page 7 it makes clear they will take Britain out of the EU without qualification
The handful of Tory remainers who opposed the deal were cancelled out by the handful of Labour leavers who backed it. The reason it sunk, as before, was because the ERG so-called ‘Spartans’ plus the DUP opposed.
Until you are willing to face the truth that Brexit was sunk by its most fanatical adherents, you won’t have any respect in here.1 -
England getting nowhere at considerable pace here. Still think 250 is on and will be tough.-1
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Speaking of Trump he's being unambiguously racist on Twitter this morning.ydoethur said:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150381394234941448
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150381395078000643
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/11503813969947238410 -
The reason it sunk was because well over 300 MPs opposed it. Each and every MP who rejected it is responsible for rejecting it.IanB2 said:
You really have no integrity, do you?
The handful of Tory remainers who opposed the deal were cancelled out by the handful of Labour leavers who backed it. The reason it sunk, as before, was because the ERG so-called ‘Spartans’ plus the DUP opposed.
Until you are willing to face the truth that Brexit was sunk by its most fanatical adherents, you won’t have any respect in here.
If they can live with the eventual alternative so be it. If not then they screwed up.0 -
This poll is suggestive that the upward trend for Labour might be real. Interesting to ponder how it would translate into seats if accompanied by remainer tactical voting, but no similar calculation by leavers.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/11503792146857820180
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