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But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
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Boris says he will do a FTA with the EU and a new partnership based on mutual defence etc but not through Brussels0
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Hunt says chances of a no deal brexit are much higher than a million to one then in the next breath says Parliament will take it off the table, he can't have it both ways.0
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Yes. Because there are only 2 candidates.Gardenwalker said:The format is much better than the BBC’s.
(The BBC’s public service role another casualty of Brexit it seems).0 -
Another whopper!HYUFD said:Boris says he will do a FTA with the EU and a new partnership based on mutual defence etc but not through Brussels
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Yes, he'll spout any old shite, won't he?HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
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I think the pivot is just an explicit articulation of their previous studied ambiguity.kinabalu said:@TOPPING
Well we will see how this Labour pivot will play in the polls. Although the acid test will be the election if we get it - which I doubt.
And I don't see the Labour deal as unicorn. It would be the WA plus the PD amended for closer alignment.
It really is saying both things to both sides.
As for the deal the PD means nothing.
Oh and despite all Nick’s fireside chats with him, Corbyn is a fervent leaver, has been for the past few decades, and as we know he sticks to his principles.0 -
What did Boris mean about "winning the forthcoming election": it implies a GE in the near future. Has he just gaffed? He is as leaky as sieve!0
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I think this is rather good actually.
Only surprise is how strongly Hunt is challenging Boris given that he must know he has lost however well he does tonight.0 -
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC.0 -
We are going to be so prepared for no deal that we won’t have to worry about any economic damage.
Yet the EU (which is already better prepared than us) will apparently be so panicked by the risk of impending no deal that they will reverse their previous position and give Boris the agreement he wants.
I don’t think this stacks up. There isn’t a no deal exit what is simultaneously harmless for us and a nightmare for the EU.0 -
He can if he wins a majorityrottenborough said:
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC.0 -
We already have a partnership of "mutual defence" - it's called NATO and the UK has been a members since its inception or had you and the other Boris fans forgotten that little "fact" as well ?HYUFD said:Boris says he will do a FTA with the EU and a new partnership based on mutual defence etc but not through Brussels
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Thank goodness I'm not watching this. I might have had to throw my mug of cocoa at the telly.0
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I agree with you, I also think it is good for the Tory party as well. It is quite light hearted.MikeL said:I think this is rather good actually.
Only surprise is how strongly Hunt is challenging Boris given that he must know he has lost however well he does tonight.0 -
And the question is will such a tactic work in a GE?RochdalePioneers said:
And yet he tells idiots what they want to hear and so will walk itSouthamObserver said:There’s a reason why Boris Johnson seeks to avoid scrutiny as much as is humanly possible: he’s utterly crap.
I suspect it will. Because the public go on big picture not detail.0 -
Neither can change the fact that negotiations have stopped. The extension was contingent on it. Its WA or No Deal, everything else is bullshit.rottenborough said:
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC.0 -
Yes, diehard Remainers dread Boris as he actually believes in the Brexit a majority of voters voted for and will deliver itRoger said:
At least Hunt looks like he's rehearsed for this. Johnson is just winging it. He's lucky that the audience are Ukipers. I dread him being PM.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe those of you watching can see why my ballot paper was returned with 'neither'Gardenwalker said:
Johnson is a waffler and liar.Artist said:Apart from the leaving date I can't see much difference between Hunt and Boris on Brexit.
That’s the difference.0 -
It’s entirely possible that the maths get even worse. Boris the charlatan is even less likely to get cross-party support than May.rottenborough said:
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC.0 -
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1148675700095881217
Good luck idiots. You'll find the snake oil is just absolutely fine.0 -
Like hell he does.HYUFD said:
Yes, diehard Remainers dread Boris as he actually believes in the Brexit a majority of voters voted for and will deliver itRoger said:
At least Hunt looks like he's rehearsed for this. Johnson is just winging it. He's lucky that the audience are Ukipers. I dread him being PM.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe those of you watching can see why my ballot paper was returned with 'neither'Gardenwalker said:
Johnson is a waffler and liar.Artist said:Apart from the leaving date I can't see much difference between Hunt and Boris on Brexit.
That’s the difference.0 -
Gardenwalker said:
It’s entirely possible that the maths get even worse. Boris the charlatan is even less likely to get cross-party support than May.rottenborough said:
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC.
She will end up laughing her head off on the backbenches.
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Well there is officially a "forecoming election" in 2022.The_Taxman said:What did Boris mean about "winning the forthcoming election": it implies a GE in the near future. Has he just gaffed? He is as leaky as sieve!
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So you admit Bozo is losing the debate. Progress!HYUFD said:
Davis won the 2005 BBC debate with Cameron so not that surprising, he needs it moreMikeL said:I think this is rather good actually.
Only surprise is how strongly Hunt is challenging Boris given that he must know he has lost however well he does tonight.0 -
He better brush up on his debating skills if thst is to happen.HYUFD said:
He can if he wins a majorityrottenborough said:
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC.0 -
I like Hunt bigging up the achievement of winning South West Surrey as a Tory.0
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1. He'd have won his mandate on a manifesto that included the referendum, even if Corbyn were to magically turn around and pretend it didn't happen do you think the Labour MPs would go along with that? 85% of Labour MPs already voted for another referendum why would they suddenly not want one when they won a majority on that specific policy?nichomar said:
1. you have to trust corbyn to actually have a referendum after he wins a commons majority and negotiates a deal he is happy with, I don’t think he would claiming he had a mandate for his policy.TheJezziah said:
The policy is to hold a referendum with remain as an option in all circumstances basically.surbiton19 said:
"In government Labour negotiate a very soft Brexit and hold Ref2 on that versus Remain. They allow the party (members and MPs) to campaign on either side. The Wilson 1975 precedent."kinabalu said:
Which both surprises and frustrates me.TOPPING said:
In opposition Labour push for Ref2 on any Johnson deal or on No Deal and if they get it they campaign 100% for Remain.
In government Labour negotiate a very soft Brexit and hold Ref2 on that versus Remain. They allow the party (members and MPs) to campaign on either side. The Wilson 1975 precedent.
There is nothing bonkers or absurd about any of the above. It stacks up.
Are you certain about this ? If this is indeed the case, then this is a change of policy because Remain is then available to us even with a Labour Brexit proposal.
I can live with this, if your interpretation is correct.
Or at least that is my understanding from reading PB.
Edit: and most Labour MPs would campaign for remain.
2. I don’t think he will throw his weight behind any remain campaign and will go on holiday whilst it is going on.
He is responsible for this mess by his piss poor performance in the referendum to bring labour voters on side.
2. Well he did more events than any other Labour MP last time and this caused the vote to leave, so presumably you wouldn't want him doing much?
3. Although actually unnumbered. Facts aren't really one your side here, Labour voters voted remain in a very similar proportion to SNP and Lib Dem voters. Is it by any chance that you are unhappy you side lost and looking for people to blame?
As I said before, someone who blames Labour for Brexit and think Corbyn is a secret no dealer and doesn't believe Labour will do what they say in the manifesto is a non existent person as far as Labour strategists are concerned.
If you want another referendum more than the other stuff you mention is a problem then Labour has made an offer to you, if you don't believe whatever Labour will offer then you don't matter because Labour can't make any offer to you.0 -
Boris says US relationship vital but ministers should not comment on civil service advice.0
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How can you do a deal with the EU that doesn't go through Brussels?Mexicanpete said:
Another whopper!HYUFD said:Boris says he will do a FTA with the EU and a new partnership based on mutual defence etc but not through Brussels
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I signed the revoke petition and voted remain originally, I have cooled* a little on the idea but I have always thought (and still do) remaining was a better optionsurbiton19 said:
I know you may not like it but if that is the case, I am all for it. Well done John, Diane, Emily...…………………….TheJezziah said:
The policy is to hold a referendum with remain as an option in all circumstances basically.surbiton19 said:
"In government Labour negotiate a very soft Brexit and hold Ref2 on that versus Remain. They allow the party (members and MPs) to campaign on either side. The Wilson 1975 precedent."kinabalu said:
Which both surprises and frustrates me.TOPPING said:Evidently much better than all the news bulletins which describe the Labour position in exactly those terms.
In opposition Labour push for Ref2 on any Johnson deal or on No Deal and if they get it they campaign 100% for Remain.
In government Labour negotiate a very soft Brexit and hold Ref2 on that versus Remain. They allow the party (members and MPs) to campaign on either side. The Wilson 1975 precedent.
There is nothing bonkers or absurd about any of the above. It stacks up.
Are you certain about this ? If this is indeed the case, then this is a change of policy because Remain is then available to us even with a Labour Brexit proposal.
I can live with this, if your interpretation is correct.
Or at least that is my understanding from reading PB.
Edit: and most Labour MPs would campaign for remain.
*Would also be reasonably happy with a sofish Brexit.0 -
It's BS, simple as that.IanB2 said:We are going to be so prepared for no deal that we won’t have to worry about any economic damage.
Yet the EU (which is already better prepared than us) will apparently be so panicked by the risk of impending no deal that they will reverse their previous position and give Boris the agreement he wants.
I don’t think this stacks up. There isn’t a no deal exit what is simultaneously harmless for us and a nightmare for the EU.0 -
Hunt says US UK alliance most important relationship in history but UK Ambassador to DC stays, Boris condemns leaker but refuses to say Darroch will stay beyond Christmas. He and he alone will decide
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Bozo wants to sack the Ambassador.0
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No - Bozo wants to sack him this summer, not le him serve out his term.HYUFD said:Hunt says US UK alliance most important relationship in history but UK Ambassador to DC stays, Boris condemns leaker but refuses to say Darroch will stay beyond Christmas. He and he alone will decide
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Nothing wrong with his debating skills other than diehard Remainers don't like what he saysMexicanpete said:
He better brush up on his debating skills if thst is to happen.HYUFD said:
He can if he wins a majorityrottenborough said:
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC.0 -
Do gimp suits come in Boris's size?SandyRentool said:Bozo wants to sack the Ambassador.
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Quite right too, the sooner he gets the boot the better and we can start repairing the damageSandyRentool said:
No - Bozo wants to sack him this summer, not le him serve out his term.HYUFD said:Hunt says US UK alliance most important relationship in history but UK Ambassador to DC stays, Boris condemns leaker but refuses to say Darroch will stay beyond Christmas. He and he alone will decide
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They don’t really believe what they are saying do they?0
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He did OK in London Mayor debates in 2008 and 2012 and Red Ken was/is a more formidible debater than Jezza.HYUFD said:
Nothing wrong with his debating skills other than diehard Remainers don't like what he saysMexicanpete said:
He better brush up on his debating skills if thst is to happen.HYUFD said:
He can if he wins a majorityrottenborough said:
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC. 0 -
Exactly and he is doing fine this evening and with more passion than HuntGIN1138 said:
He did OK in London Mayor debates in 2008 and 2012 and Red Ken was/is a more formidible debater than Jezza.HYUFD said:
Nothing wrong with his debating skills other than diehard Remainers don't like what he saysMexicanpete said:
He better brush up on his debating skills if thst is to happen.HYUFD said:
He can if he wins a majorityrottenborough said:
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC.0 -
He did not actually say that - it was typical Boris - fudgeSandyRentool said:
No - Bozo wants to sack him this summer, not le him serve out his term.HYUFD said:Hunt says US UK alliance most important relationship in history but UK Ambassador to DC stays, Boris condemns leaker but refuses to say Darroch will stay beyond Christmas. He and he alone will decide
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Why is he so incredibly shite now, then?GIN1138 said:
He did OK in London Mayor debates in 2008 and 2012 and Red Ken was/is a more formidible debater than Jezza.HYUFD said:
Nothing wrong with his debating skills other than diehard Remainers don't like what he saysMexicanpete said:
He better brush up on his debating skills if thst is to happen.HYUFD said:
He can if he wins a majorityrottenborough said:
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC.0 -
He didn't cause the damage. That was some mate of your man Bozo.HYUFD said:
Quite right too, the sooner he gets the boot the better and we can start repairing the damageSandyRentool said:
No - Bozo wants to sack him this summer, not le him serve out his term.HYUFD said:Hunt says US UK alliance most important relationship in history but UK Ambassador to DC stays, Boris condemns leaker but refuses to say Darroch will stay beyond Christmas. He and he alone will decide
Oh, and New Thread, btw.0 -
Why have you introduced diehard to remainersHYUFD said:
Nothing wrong with his debating skills other than diehard Remainers don't like what he saysMexicanpete said:
He better brush up on his debating skills if thst is to happen.HYUFD said:
He can if he wins a majorityrottenborough said:
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC.0 -
He is not, just diehard Remainers refuse to accept the truth from BorisGardenwalker said:
Why is he so incredibly shite now, then?GIN1138 said:
He did OK in London Mayor debates in 2008 and 2012 and Red Ken was/is a more formidible debater than Jezza.HYUFD said:
Nothing wrong with his debating skills other than diehard Remainers don't like what he saysMexicanpete said:
He better brush up on his debating skills if thst is to happen.HYUFD said:
He can if he wins a majorityrottenborough said:
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC.0 -
As they want to stop BrexitBig_G_NorthWales said:
Why have you introduced diehard to remainersHYUFD said:
Nothing wrong with his debating skills other than diehard Remainers don't like what he saysMexicanpete said:
He better brush up on his debating skills if thst is to happen.HYUFD said:
He can if he wins a majorityrottenborough said:
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC.0 -
Not watching (will catch up later) but I suspect he's not much different in debating style from 08/12 it's just the message is different now and you hate it.Gardenwalker said:
Why is he so incredibly shite now, then?GIN1138 said:
He did OK in London Mayor debates in 2008 and 2012 and Red Ken was/is a more formidible debater than Jezza.HYUFD said:
Nothing wrong with his debating skills other than diehard Remainers don't like what he saysMexicanpete said:
He better brush up on his debating skills if thst is to happen.HYUFD said:
He can if he wins a majorityrottenborough said:
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC. 0 -
If Boris actually made a falsifiable claim in this debate you might have a point.HYUFD said:
He is not, just diehard Remainers refuse to accept the truth from BorisGardenwalker said:
Why is he so incredibly shite now, then?GIN1138 said:
He did OK in London Mayor debates in 2008 and 2012 and Red Ken was/is a more formidible debater than Jezza.HYUFD said:
Nothing wrong with his debating skills other than diehard Remainers don't like what he saysMexicanpete said:
He better brush up on his debating skills if thst is to happen.HYUFD said:
He can if he wins a majorityrottenborough said:
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC.0 -
Truth😂😂😂😂😂😂😂HYUFD said:
He is not, just diehard Remainers refuse to accept the truth from BorisGardenwalker said:
Why is he so incredibly shite now, then?GIN1138 said:
He did OK in London Mayor debates in 2008 and 2012 and Red Ken was/is a more formidible debater than Jezza.HYUFD said:
Nothing wrong with his debating skills other than diehard Remainers don't like what he saysMexicanpete said:
He better brush up on his debating skills if thst is to happen.HYUFD said:
He can if he wins a majorityrottenborough said:
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC.0 -
He’s really dire.GIN1138 said:
Not watching (will catch up later) but I suspect he's not much different in debating style from 08/12 it's just the message is different now and you hate it.Gardenwalker said:
Why is he so incredibly shite now, then?GIN1138 said:
He did OK in London Mayor debates in 2008 and 2012 and Red Ken was/is a more formidible debater than Jezza.HYUFD said:
Nothing wrong with his debating skills other than diehard Remainers don't like what he saysMexicanpete said:
He better brush up on his debating skills if thst is to happen.HYUFD said:
He can if he wins a majorityrottenborough said:
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC.
Was there a televised debate with Livingstone?0 -
I’ll give Johnson one credit this blue on blue is bloody brilliant!0
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Mrs RP now shouting words at the telly. One of them has a longer phonetic version ending in "Tuesday"RochdalePioneers said:"Jeremy Hunt looks like he's fucking high" says Mrs RP as the debate comes on...
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I am well aware 2022 is the last date for a GE. I would not use the word forthcoming to describe an election 3 years away. I think he showed how inept he is by blurting out a GE this year! You keep on saying he should have one so dont be surprised if he is going to have one, which he will probably do worse than May i hasten to add!GIN1138 said:
Well there is officially a "forecoming election" in 2022.The_Taxman said:What did Boris mean about "winning the forthcoming election": it implies a GE in the near future. Has he just gaffed? He is as leaky as sieve!
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I am not convinced by either of them.0
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Yes there were debates for 2008 and 2012 Mayoralty elections (the London Mayor debates were really what paved the way for general election debates I think)Gardenwalker said:
He’s really dire.GIN1138 said:
Not watching (will catch up later) but I suspect he's not much different in debating style from 08/12 it's just the message is different now and you hate it.Gardenwalker said:
Why is he so incredibly shite now, then?GIN1138 said:
He did OK in London Mayor debates in 2008 and 2012 and Red Ken was/is a more formidible debater than Jezza.HYUFD said:
Nothing wrong with his debating skills other than diehard Remainers don't like what he saysMexicanpete said:
He better brush up on his debating skills if thst is to happen.HYUFD said:
He can if he wins a majorityrottenborough said:
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC.
Was there a televised debate with Livingstone?
They may be on YouTube if you do some digging.0 -
Well Johnson no answer on the ambassador, no answer on heathrow third runway, an appalling answer of gay rights and abortion in NI and several other things if he is the answer....
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I’m not watching and I think that Johnson’s best years are behind him but I suspect that he’s the sort of person who can adjust his performance to be 10% better than the opposition in almost any circumstance. He performs to the opposition not to absolute potential. Lots of people are like that.Gardenwalker said:
He’s really dire.GIN1138 said:
Not watching (will catch up later) but I suspect he's not much different in debating style from 08/12 it's just the message is different now and you hate it.Gardenwalker said:
Why is he so incredibly shite now, then?GIN1138 said:
He did OK in London Mayor debates in 2008 and 2012 and Red Ken was/is a more formidible debater than Jezza.HYUFD said:
Nothing wrong with his debating skills other than diehard Remainers don't like what he saysMexicanpete said:
He better brush up on his debating skills if thst is to happen.HYUFD said:
He can if he wins a majorityrottenborough said:
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC.
Was there a televised debate with Livingstone?
Plus, people here have an opinion and adjust any facts to fit that opinion. You think Johnson’s a dick (see what I did there) - he could be performing as if he were the lovechild of Churchill, Aristotle and Disraeli and you’d still think him a dick.0 -
Its the Conservative Party leadership contest...nichomar said:Well Johnson no answer on the ambassador, no answer on heathrow third runway, an appalling answer of gay rights and abortion in NI and several other things if he is the answer....
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A much better chaired debate than the BBC effort.
You can see why the diehard Tories like Boris, but the rest of us have just seen his weaknesses on display and can only be left fearing what lies ahead.0 -
I’m not even sure why “diehard Tories” would like Boris since he basically failed to answer any question. Who but an idiot would trust him?IanB2 said:A much better chaired debate than the BBC effort.
You can see why the diehard Tories like Boris, but the rest of us have just seen his weaknesses on display and can only be left fearing what lies ahead.0 -
Who but an idiot would be a diehard Tory.Gardenwalker said:
I’m not even sure why “diehard Tories” would like Boris since he basically failed to answer any question. Who but an idiot would trust him?IanB2 said:A much better chaired debate than the BBC effort.
You can see why the diehard Tories like Boris, but the rest of us have just seen his weaknesses on display and can only be left fearing what lies ahead.0 -
People on here making the usual mistake focussing too much on detail - eg did he answer tbe Q.
General public always go on big picture / general impression.0 -
Was it with a vengeance?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Why have you introduced diehard to remainersHYUFD said:
Nothing wrong with his debating skills other than diehard Remainers don't like what he saysMexicanpete said:
He better brush up on his debating skills if thst is to happen.HYUFD said:
He can if he wins a majorityrottenborough said:
Unless Boris has some extremely cunning plan that no one else has thought of, his premiership will be destroyed by Brexit within months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But not 'how'HYUFD said:Boris says he would not do a deal with Brexit Party, can deliver Brexit ourselves and make the case to country for modern conservatism
He can wiffle and piffle until the cows return to their vestibules of hay but he can't change the maths of the HoC.0
