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  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    I'm not sure quite how resonant the Epstein story is in the US (seems pretty smelly from here), but might Trump doubling down on Darroch be a handy distraction? It's a ploy that he's been accused of/credited with before.

    The Darroch story isn't getting much coverage on the US media
    "Trump throws Twitter tantrum" is a rather 'dog bites man' story over there.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    I think they look a rather fetching if slightly odd couple...
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Boris holding "Filling in the gaps" - policy or between his ears ????
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    When was Triesman the Gen Sec of Labour ? Does he have another name ? I cannot recall anyone with that name.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I just hope there aren't a lot of empty seats at Edgbaston on Thursday. That really would be a public relations disaster for the ICC.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    AndyJS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Good afternoon. 270 might be a competitive score on this wicket.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/47484049

    I'd be surprised if they make 240 !
    I make the Duckworth Lewis Stern score right now as 241

    With 5 wickets in hand? I'm surprised, I thought it would be a bit higher.
    That'd be with the old DL method + interpolation (12.23% of resources available), I can't find the professional tables online anywhere sadly.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    GIN1138 said:

    Surely it's relatively easy to fudge the answer?
    "When in doubt, say nothing" seems sensible to me but to Boris? Who knows. I suspect he and Trump can communicate after their own fashion.
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    AndyJS said:

    I just hope there aren't a lot of empty seats at Edgbaston on Thursday. That really would be a public relations disaster for the ICC.

    How are semi final tickets allocated for the football world cup ? Surely after the playing teams are known.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited July 2019
    JackW said:

    Boris holding "Filling in the gaps" - policy or between his ears ????
    Front page could do with work:

    "Mystery Closure of Town Pub"

    On the menu

    Mercury
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    TGOHF said:

    Labour on 20% after a decade in opposition.

    LOL.

    Conservatives have only managed to scrape a majority once since Major... It always astounds me more people don't make more out of that.

    After Brown, they failed to win a majority.
    After gaining a majority, they imploded due to Europe.
    And after losing that majority they continue to be a zombie party.

    In the long lens of the last 30 years, it is the Tories who look increasingly irrelevant with the LDs taking on wet market liberalism / unionism, and the UKIPs/ BXP taking on English nationalism.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Good afternoon. 270 might be a competitive score on this wicket.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/47484049

    I'd be surprised if they make 240 !
    I make the Duckworth Lewis Stern score right now as 241

    With 5 wickets in hand? I'm surprised, I thought it would be a bit higher.
    I cannot find a good DLS calculator in google.
    Nor can I. Proves that everything isn't available online.
    Or, more likely (?), you can't find everything that is available on line.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    When was Triesman the Gen Sec of Labour ? Does he have another name ? I cannot recall anyone with that name.

    2000-2003. Blairite Tory

    (Actually he's an ex-Maoist)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Triesman,_Baron_Triesman
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238
    edited July 2019

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Good afternoon. 270 might be a competitive score on this wicket.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/47484049

    I'd be surprised if they make 240 !
    I make the Duckworth Lewis Stern score right now as 241

    With 5 wickets in hand? I'm surprised, I thought it would be a bit higher.
    I cannot find a good DLS calculator in google.
    Nor can I. Proves that everything isn't available online.
    Or, more likely (?), you can't find everything that is available on line.
    Is this it ?
    Took me about 12 seconds...

    http://www.boltoncricket.co.uk/DLcalc.html

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    edited July 2019
    148grss said:

    TGOHF said:

    Labour on 20% after a decade in opposition.

    LOL.

    Conservatives have only managed to scrape a majority once since Major... It always astounds me more people don't make more out of that.

    After Brown, they failed to win a majority.
    After gaining a majority, they imploded due to Europe.
    And after losing that majority they continue to be a zombie party.

    In the long lens of the last 30 years, it is the Tories who look increasingly irrelevant with the LDs taking on wet market liberalism / unionism, and the UKIPs/ BXP taking on English nationalism.
    Both major parties look done for... But for Con, if they can get Brexit done and unite the right I suspect they'll survive.

    For Lab its looking pretty terminal to me...
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    AndyJS said:

    I just hope there aren't a lot of empty seats at Edgbaston on Thursday. That really would be a public relations disaster for the ICC.

    How are semi final tickets allocated for the football world cup ? Surely after the playing teams are known.
    What a nasty comment you wrote on Nusrat Ghani's twitter feed. Although I suppose it's easy to make any kind of comment anonymously to an Asian woman on the internet.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    OJ's views match his stature physically and metaphorically.
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    TOPPING said:

    AndyJS said:

    I just hope there aren't a lot of empty seats at Edgbaston on Thursday. That really would be a public relations disaster for the ICC.

    How are semi final tickets allocated for the football world cup ? Surely after the playing teams are known.
    What a nasty comment you wrote on Nusrat Ghani's twitter feed. Although I suppose it's easy to make any kind of comment anonymously to an Asian woman on the internet.
    "sad" is nasty ?
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469

    When was Triesman the Gen Sec of Labour ? Does he have another name ? I cannot recall anyone with that name.

    2000-2003. Blairite Tory

    (Actually he's an ex-Maoist)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Triesman,_Baron_Triesman
    Thanks. I honestly cannot remember him. Maybe because Labour had a 160 seat majority and the affairs of Labour Party / NEC was not that important.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    TOPPING said:

    AndyJS said:

    I just hope there aren't a lot of empty seats at Edgbaston on Thursday. That really would be a public relations disaster for the ICC.

    How are semi final tickets allocated for the football world cup ? Surely after the playing teams are known.
    What a nasty comment you wrote on Nusrat Ghani's twitter feed. Although I suppose it's easy to make any kind of comment anonymously to an Asian woman on the internet.
    "sad" is nasty ?
    Yep, as an anonymous one-liner. To a female MP. You have plenty of thoughts about life I don't see why you couldn't have elaborated.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478
    Nigelb said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Good afternoon. 270 might be a competitive score on this wicket.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/47484049

    I'd be surprised if they make 240 !
    I make the Duckworth Lewis Stern score right now as 241

    With 5 wickets in hand? I'm surprised, I thought it would be a bit higher.
    I cannot find a good DLS calculator in google.
    Nor can I. Proves that everything isn't available online.
    Or, more likely (?), you can't find everything that is available on line.
    Is this it ?
    Took me about 12 seconds...

    http://www.boltoncricket.co.uk/DLcalc.html

    I think that's Duckworth-Lewis, rather than Duckworth Lewis Stern
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406

    'Scenario 2: Imagine that a General Election is held later this year after Brexit has been delivered.'

    That 'after Brexit has been delivered' is massively problematic. Nigel will scream betrayal no matter what Boris serves up and probably all of TBP and many Tories will take Nigel's side. Boris is stuffed unless he kisses Nigel's spurs and begs for his patronage.

    "Scenario 3: Imagine that Bozo has had to Revoke and is then VONCed by parliament..."
    I doubt he would be VoNCed then - everyone would be ensuring Boris owned that revokation...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237
    dixiedean said:

    What if Brexit is delivered and it is very bad?

    Yes, a chaotic No Deal might also be good for Corbyn. But not (IMO) as good as Brexit still outstanding.
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    AndyJS said:

    I just hope there aren't a lot of empty seats at Edgbaston on Thursday. That really would be a public relations disaster for the ICC.

    How are semi final tickets allocated for the football world cup ? Surely after the playing teams are known.
    What a nasty comment you wrote on Nusrat Ghani's twitter feed. Although I suppose it's easy to make any kind of comment anonymously to an Asian woman on the internet.
    "sad" is nasty ?
    Yep, as an anonymous one-liner. To a female MP. You have plenty of thoughts about life I don't see why you couldn't have elaborated.
    If that is all you can come up with, I'll make you happy: you are sad too !
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    Nigelb said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Good afternoon. 270 might be a competitive score on this wicket.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/47484049

    I'd be surprised if they make 240 !
    I make the Duckworth Lewis Stern score right now as 241

    With 5 wickets in hand? I'm surprised, I thought it would be a bit higher.
    I cannot find a good DLS calculator in google.
    Nor can I. Proves that everything isn't available online.
    Or, more likely (?), you can't find everything that is available on line.
    Is this it ?
    Took me about 12 seconds...

    http://www.boltoncricket.co.uk/DLcalc.html

    That doesn't produce a DLS figure.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    edited July 2019
    Why is the BBC not leading on the outragous and unprecedented attack on a serving PM and ambassador by our supposed leading ally?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,005
    India now under the cosh (no, not in that way).

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1148573632869875712
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    Nigelb said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Good afternoon. 270 might be a competitive score on this wicket.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/47484049

    I'd be surprised if they make 240 !
    I make the Duckworth Lewis Stern score right now as 241

    With 5 wickets in hand? I'm surprised, I thought it would be a bit higher.
    I cannot find a good DLS calculator in google.
    Nor can I. Proves that everything isn't available online.
    Or, more likely (?), you can't find everything that is available on line.
    Is this it ?
    Took me about 12 seconds...

    http://www.boltoncricket.co.uk/DLcalc.html

    Not quite the same. I found that too. So what do you do ? Put in 211 for 5. Then what ? I tried to put in 46 overs for the 2nd innings . It just doesn't work.

    The calculator above is useful after the 2nd innings has started.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    edited July 2019

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    AndyJS said:

    I just hope there aren't a lot of empty seats at Edgbaston on Thursday. That really would be a public relations disaster for the ICC.

    How are semi final tickets allocated for the football world cup ? Surely after the playing teams are known.
    What a nasty comment you wrote on Nusrat Ghani's twitter feed. Although I suppose it's easy to make any kind of comment anonymously to an Asian woman on the internet.
    "sad" is nasty ?
    Yep, as an anonymous one-liner. To a female MP. You have plenty of thoughts about life I don't see why you couldn't have elaborated.
    If that is all you can come up with, I'll make you happy: you are sad too !
    I am already happy. But I now see firsthand how the whole bullying of (especially female) MPs develops. Anonymous dickheads on the internet making nasty comments that they don't see any problems with.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    And another Lord has resigned the Labour whip

    https://twitter.com/hattmarris84/status/1148596875853008896
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469

    India now under the cosh (no, not in that way).

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1148573632869875712

    He is after Vietnam too ! Actually, he has gone a bit lukewarm against Iran. Bot Bolton/Pompey will do something.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)
    Fascinating poll - once people see they can dump Boris, Corbyn, Brexit and Farage at the same time they'll rush at the chance. LD majority?

    We used to dream of that, when I were a child.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    TOPPING said:


    I am already happy. But I now see firsthand how the whole bullying of (especially female) MPs develops. Anonymous dickheads on the internet making nasty comments that they don't see any problems with.

    Nus Ghani has had a lot of really nasty stuff.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Protests against LGBT lessons in Birmingham primary school resume

    Parkfield community school announced it would relaunch equality teaching in September"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/09/protests-against-lgbt-lessons-in-birmingham-primary-school-resume
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    AndyJS said:

    I just hope there aren't a lot of empty seats at Edgbaston on Thursday. That really would be a public relations disaster for the ICC.

    How are semi final tickets allocated for the football world cup ? Surely after the playing teams are known.
    What a nasty comment you wrote on Nusrat Ghani's twitter feed. Although I suppose it's easy to make any kind of comment anonymously to an Asian woman on the internet.
    "sad" is nasty ?
    Yep, as an anonymous one-liner. To a female MP. You have plenty of thoughts about life I don't see why you couldn't have elaborated.
    If that is all you can come up with, I'll make you happy: you are sad too !
    I am already happy. But I now see firsthand how the whole bullying of (especially female) MPs develops. Anonymous dickheads on the internet making nasty comments that they don't see any problems with.
    I can only find one person here using nasty, horrible words. It ain't me !
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Nigelb said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Good afternoon. 270 might be a competitive score on this wicket.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/47484049

    I'd be surprised if they make 240 !
    I make the Duckworth Lewis Stern score right now as 241

    With 5 wickets in hand? I'm surprised, I thought it would be a bit higher.
    I cannot find a good DLS calculator in google.
    Nor can I. Proves that everything isn't available online.
    Or, more likely (?), you can't find everything that is available on line.
    Is this it ?
    Took me about 12 seconds...

    http://www.boltoncricket.co.uk/DLcalc.html

    Not quite the same. I found that too. So what do you do ? Put in 211 for 5. Then what ? I tried to put in 46 overs for the 2nd innings . It just doesn't work.

    The calculator above is useful after the 2nd innings has started.
    +1
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Ross Perot has died at 89 following a 5 month battle with Leukemia.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    edited July 2019

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    AndyJS said:

    I just hope there aren't a lot of empty seats at Edgbaston on Thursday. That really would be a public relations disaster for the ICC.

    How are semi final tickets allocated for the football world cup ? Surely after the playing teams are known.
    What a nasty comment you wrote on Nusrat Ghani's twitter feed. Although I suppose it's easy to make any kind of comment anonymously to an Asian woman on the internet.
    "sad" is nasty ?
    Yep, as an anonymous one-liner. To a female MP. You have plenty of thoughts about life I don't see why you couldn't have elaborated.
    If that is all you can come up with, I'll make you happy: you are sad too !
    I am already happy. But I now see firsthand how the whole bullying of (especially female) MPs develops. Anonymous dickheads on the internet making nasty comments that they don't see any problems with.
    I can only find one person here using nasty, horrible words. It ain't me !
    I'm not talking about on here, I'm talking about on Nus Ghani's twitterfeed. We're all big boys on here.

    Apart from @Philip_Thompson.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478
    Very measured exchange between Emily Thornberry and Sir Alan Duncan in the House over our Ambassador to US.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    Is not "Privileged whitesplaining" rather racist? Just asking for a friend.......
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    I have just got another follower on the internet [ also from PB ]. Don't worry, Mr Topping, that only makes it 3.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    edited July 2019

    Nigelb said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Good afternoon. 270 might be a competitive score on this wicket.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/47484049

    I'd be surprised if they make 240 !
    I make the Duckworth Lewis Stern score right now as 241

    With 5 wickets in hand? I'm surprised, I thought it would be a bit higher.
    I cannot find a good DLS calculator in google.
    Nor can I. Proves that everything isn't available online.
    Or, more likely (?), you can't find everything that is available on line.
    Is this it ?
    Took me about 12 seconds...

    http://www.boltoncricket.co.uk/DLcalc.html

    Not quite the same. I found that too. So what do you do ? Put in 211 for 5. Then what ? I tried to put in 46 overs for the 2nd innings . It just doesn't work.

    The calculator above is useful after the 2nd innings has started.
    If you put in 240-10 as team A and Team B overs 46.1 for 5 wickets with maximum overs 50, it produces a team B target of 211 runs.

    https://www.easycalculation.com/sports/duckworth-lewis-calculator.php suggests this is a tie.

    The resource % attributable to the remaining 5 wickets must therefore exceed 12.x % given the score to chase for 46 overs is 237.

    96.1% of resources remaining for 46 overs and 0 wickets suggests that the par score attributed to New Zealand would have been 247.

    56.6% of resources remaining would suggest a 20 over chase target of 140 - the real figure is 148, hence we can deduce the online calculator does not use the DLS professional tables.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478
    PClipp said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)
    Fascinating poll - once people see they can dump Boris, Corbyn, Brexit and Farage at the same time they'll rush at the chance. LD majority?

    We used to dream of that, when I were a child.
    In 1950 the Liberals poster had a picture of Big Ben and the slogan 'What's the time? Time we had the Liberals back.'

    Didn't, of course, to a lot of good.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    PClipp said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)
    Fascinating poll - once people see they can dump Boris, Corbyn, Brexit and Farage at the same time they'll rush at the chance. LD majority?

    We used to dream of that, when I were a child.
    I used to say to our kids after getting home from the count ‘our day will come’ it sort of did in 95 but you have to keep the faith.
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    Sadly,for most Labour party members, nothing has changed !
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    I have just got another follower on the internet [ also from PB ]. Don't worry, Mr Topping, that only makes it 3.

    I just went over to her twitter to see what Owen Jones had been doing and your comment jumped out as apropos of nothing, no context and quite aggressive. Nasty, even. It so happened that I was able to relay my thoughts to the author of those very comments.

    I appreciate twitter is a pithy medium but you do have 280 characters to put your point. Nus Ghani managed to do so. I am just responding to the impression it left. Perhaps you should head back over there to see it in the cold light of day.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,914

    When was Triesman the Gen Sec of Labour ? Does he have another name ? I cannot recall anyone with that name.

    2000-2003. Blairite Tory

    (Actually he's an ex-Maoist)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Triesman,_Baron_Triesman
    Thanks. I honestly cannot remember him. Maybe because Labour had a 160 seat majority and the affairs of Labour Party / NEC was not that important.
    https://upclosed.com/people/david-triesman-baron-triesman/
    Declared a 'Free University' at Essex in1968
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Very measured exchange between Emily Thornberry and Sir Alan Duncan in the House over our Ambassador to US.

    He's toast, through no fault of his own. just a matter of timing and observing the niceties.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217

    I have just got another follower on the internet [ also from PB ]. Don't worry, Mr Topping, that only makes it 3.

    I'll follow those that speak their mind on twitter regardless of political persuasion :)
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    If it covers Ashford, Tenterden and the Marsh, then shurely it should be the "Express of Kent" not the "Kentish Express"...
  • GIN1138 said:

    148grss said:

    TGOHF said:

    Labour on 20% after a decade in opposition.

    LOL.

    Conservatives have only managed to scrape a majority once since Major... It always astounds me more people don't make more out of that.

    After Brown, they failed to win a majority.
    After gaining a majority, they imploded due to Europe.
    And after losing that majority they continue to be a zombie party.

    In the long lens of the last 30 years, it is the Tories who look increasingly irrelevant with the LDs taking on wet market liberalism / unionism, and the UKIPs/ BXP taking on English nationalism.
    Both major parties look done for... But for Con, if they can get Brexit done and unite the right I suspect they'll survive.

    For Lab its looking pretty terminal to me...
    Just one problem with your assumption ... the Tories can't get Brexit done and with Labour rapidly backing themselves into the remain camp, that leaves Boris with a problem of major proportions.
    Incidentally after Labour's volte face this morming, largely driven by McDonnell and his union buddies, the Brexit betting markets as a whole appear to have moved very little. One Betfair price which caught my eye was their "No Brexit before 2022 on offer at 3.75, i.e. 11/4 in old money. If it doesn't happen over the next 6 months,it ain't going to happen over the next 2½ years.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    NB The Brexit party supporters don't disappear just because Brexit has been delivered. This seems to be the hope of the Conservatives but there's no evidence of it.

    This polling should terrify the Labour party too. They are expected to get absolutely no benefit from Brexit being seen in the rear view mirror. They can only hope that's incorrect in practice.

    I am firmly of the belief that for Labour under Corbyn to have a good chance of winning the next general election it has to come BEFORE any Brexit is delivered.

    I think they know this too.
    What if Brexit is delivered and it is very bad?
    That latter is their only chance, and even then they risk the backlash going to the properly remain parties.

    In a pre-Brexit election now, Labour will struggle heavily since their policy toward Brexit won’t stand up to scrutiny.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    I thought his sentence was a year and he'd already done some of it anyway. Where's the two years coming in, unless he's treated uniquely within the justice system... ?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,060

    India now under the cosh (no, not in that way).

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1148573632869875712

    Obviously a cricket fan upset that India didn't bowl all their overs by 2pm.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    Pulpstar said:

    I thought his sentence was a year and he'd already done some of it anyway. Where's the two years coming in, unless he's treated uniquely within the justice system... ?
    The case was retried - it's possibly he could get a longer sentence this time around
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217


    Incidentally after Labour's volte face this morming, largely driven by McDonnell and his union buddies, the Brexit betting markets as a whole appear to have moved very little. One Betfair price which caught my eye was their "No Brexit before 2022 on offer at 3.75, i.e. 11/4 in old money. If it doesn't happen over the next 6 months,it ain't going to happen over the next 2½ years.

    Good spot. I seem to have somehow dug myself to a level red of -£17.03 in that market so the first £17.03 of winnings from the additional tenner I've just popped on not before 2022 will be commission and premium charge free :o
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478

    When was Triesman the Gen Sec of Labour ? Does he have another name ? I cannot recall anyone with that name.

    2000-2003. Blairite Tory

    (Actually he's an ex-Maoist)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Triesman,_Baron_Triesman
    Thanks. I honestly cannot remember him. Maybe because Labour had a 160 seat majority and the affairs of Labour Party / NEC was not that important.
    https://upclosed.com/people/david-triesman-baron-triesman/
    Declared a 'Free University' at Essex in1968
    Essex students were somewhat radical in the 60's.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Pulpstar said:

    I thought his sentence was a year and he'd already done some of it anyway. Where's the two years coming in, unless he's treated uniquely within the justice system... ?
    I thought that Sky headline was a joke at first.

    But of course, makes perfect sense.

    He'll fit right in with Richard Spence and the others.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478

    Interesting that Alan Duncan made the point that it was our Ambassadors rose-tinted view of the Shah's Government and popularity in the 50's that led to the Iranian Revolution
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Pulpstar said:

    I thought his sentence was a year and he'd already done some of it anyway. Where's the two years coming in, unless he's treated uniquely within the justice system... ?
    He was sentenced to 13 months last May and served two - released on appeal. The AG appealed that and he's been re-tried and convicted with sentencing later this week. The maximum sentence is 24 months - they may lop off the 2 months he's already served.
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469

    GIN1138 said:

    148grss said:

    TGOHF said:

    Labour on 20% after a decade in opposition.

    LOL.

    Conservatives have only managed to scrape a majority once since Major... It always astounds me more people don't make more out of that.

    After Brown, they failed to win a majority.
    After gaining a majority, they imploded due to Europe.
    And after losing that majority they continue to be a zombie party.

    In the long lens of the last 30 years, it is the Tories who look increasingly irrelevant with the LDs taking on wet market liberalism / unionism, and the UKIPs/ BXP taking on English nationalism.
    Both major parties look done for... But for Con, if they can get Brexit done and unite the right I suspect they'll survive.

    For Lab its looking pretty terminal to me...
    Just one problem with your assumption ... the Tories can't get Brexit done and with Labour rapidly backing themselves into the remain camp, that leaves Boris with a problem of major proportions.
    Incidentally after Labour's volte face this morming, largely driven by McDonnell and his union buddies, the Brexit betting markets as a whole appear to have moved very little. One Betfair price which caught my eye was their "No Brexit before 2022 on offer at 3.75, i.e. 11/4 in old money. If it doesn't happen over the next 6 months,it ain't going to happen over the next 2½ years.
    I am a Labour supporter. I could detect any "volte face" this morning. The idea that if Labour came to power, we would do our own Brexit is unacceptable to 75% of members.

    It begs the question: what will be in the Labour manifesto ? If it is referendum only on a Tory Brexit or No-Deal but no referendum on a Labour Brexit then it will hardly move the needle.

    Also, why should Labour negotiate a Brexit at all ? We want to Remain, period regardless of what Don Valley thinks. I bet the majority of Labour voters there too support Remain.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478

    Pulpstar said:

    I thought his sentence was a year and he'd already done some of it anyway. Where's the two years coming in, unless he's treated uniquely within the justice system... ?
    I thought that Sky headline was a joke at first.

    But of course, makes perfect sense.

    He'll fit right in with Richard Spence and the others.
    He's not going to squat in the US Embassy, is he?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469

    GIN1138 said:

    148grss said:

    TGOHF said:

    Labour on 20% after a decade in opposition.

    LOL.

    Conservatives have only managed to scrape a majority once since Major... It always astounds me more people don't make more out of that.

    After Brown, they failed to win a majority.
    After gaining a majority, they imploded due to Europe.
    And after losing that majority they continue to be a zombie party.

    In the long lens of the last 30 years, it is the Tories who look increasingly irrelevant with the LDs taking on wet market liberalism / unionism, and the UKIPs/ BXP taking on English nationalism.
    Both major parties look done for... But for Con, if they can get Brexit done and unite the right I suspect they'll survive.

    For Lab its looking pretty terminal to me...
    Just one problem with your assumption ... the Tories can't get Brexit done and with Labour rapidly backing themselves into the remain camp, that leaves Boris with a problem of major proportions.
    Incidentally after Labour's volte face this morming, largely driven by McDonnell and his union buddies, the Brexit betting markets as a whole appear to have moved very little. One Betfair price which caught my eye was their "No Brexit before 2022 on offer at 3.75, i.e. 11/4 in old money. If it doesn't happen over the next 6 months,it ain't going to happen over the next 2½ years.
    I am a Labour supporter. I could detect any "volte face" this morning. The idea that if Labour came to power, we would do our own Brexit is unacceptable to 75% of members.

    It begs the question: what will be in the Labour manifesto ? If it is referendum only on a Tory Brexit or No-Deal but no referendum on a Labour Brexit then it will hardly move the needle.

    Also, why should Labour negotiate a Brexit at all ? We want to Remain, period regardless of what Don Valley thinks. I bet the majority of Labour voters there too support Remain.
    Oops ! I meant I could NOT detect any volte face this morning.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,237
    Face.

    In China, the concept of "face" is very important. In any negotiation, both sides must appear to retain face.

    It's a mistake the EU made with the backstop (especially given it is essentially unenforceable), and it's a mistake President Trump is making now.

    If HMG were to give in to this bullying, they would lose face. That cannot happen.

    The way to remove an unruly Ambassador without the issue of face, is - of course - to bring it up in backchannels. Then the Ambassador can simply be transferred somewhere else, or quietly retired, or promoted to the House of Lords, and nothing need be said.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Fears for peers?
  • Looks like there are no more Lab MPs standing down since yesterday so Ann Clwyd and Denis Skinner will be carrying on well into their 80s.

    Skinner would be next father of the house with Ken Clarke standing down.

    So far 4 Con, 7 Lab, 1 ex-Con (Boles) standing down.

    It feels to me that a lot of MPs are hanging in there until Brexit is resolved.

    Current MPs over 80=3 (3 Lab)
    Current MPs 71-80 = 29 (10 Con, 16 Lab, 2 ex-Lab, 1 LD)
    Current MPs 65-70 = 52 (21 Con, 22 Lab, 2 SNP, 2 SF, 2 DUP, 1 ex-Lab, 1 Plaid, 1 LD)
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    I don't think Hammond need worry himself. Fixing his mess will be someone else's job soon enough.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    That sounds like an absolute win. Can we palm him off on the dupes?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    I'd have thought Robinson's chances of getting into the US would be slim given he has various convictions already.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T

    The forecast for Thursday's match isn't particularly good at the moment.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2650236
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    GIN1138 said:

    148grss said:

    TGOHF said:

    Labour on 20% after a decade in opposition.

    LOL.

    Conservatives have only managed to scrape a majority once since Major... It always astounds me more people don't make more out of that.

    After Brown, they failed to win a majority.
    After gaining a majority, they imploded due to Europe.
    And after losing that majority they continue to be a zombie party.

    In the long lens of the last 30 years, it is the Tories who look increasingly irrelevant with the LDs taking on wet market liberalism / unionism, and the UKIPs/ BXP taking on English nationalism.
    Both major parties look done for... But for Con, if they can get Brexit done and unite the right I suspect they'll survive.

    For Lab its looking pretty terminal to me...
    Just one problem with your assumption ... the Tories can't get Brexit done and with Labour rapidly backing themselves into the remain camp, that leaves Boris with a problem of major proportions.
    Incidentally after Labour's volte face this morming, largely driven by McDonnell and his union buddies, the Brexit betting markets as a whole appear to have moved very little. One Betfair price which caught my eye was their "No Brexit before 2022 on offer at 3.75, i.e. 11/4 in old money. If it doesn't happen over the next 6 months,it ain't going to happen over the next 2½ years.
    I am a Labour supporter. I could detect any "volte face" this morning. The idea that if Labour came to power, we would do our own Brexit is unacceptable to 75% of members.

    It begs the question: what will be in the Labour manifesto ? If it is referendum only on a Tory Brexit or No-Deal but no referendum on a Labour Brexit then it will hardly move the needle.

    Also, why should Labour negotiate a Brexit at all ? We want to Remain, period regardless of what Don Valley thinks. I bet the majority of Labour voters there too support Remain.
    Oops ! I meant I could NOT detect any volte face this morning.
    I think the Referendum result justifies a Labour Government seeking to negotiate a better deal with the EU to be followed by a further Referendum with the options being 'This is the best we can do' and Remain.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,060
    edited July 2019
    Pulpstar said:

    I'd have thought Robinson's chances of getting into the US would be slim given he has various convictions already.

    He once went to the US on someone else's passport didn't he?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,060
    edited July 2019
    Deleted *I'm talking crap, as usual*
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038
    I imagine DuraAce has a few stories about 'backfilling' he could share with the PB community...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038
    The quiet man is turning up the volume. Looking forward to his first speech from the back benches.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Scott_P said:
    Absolute total fucking c***s have brought us to this. All the "I never voted for this type of Brexit, actually I'm in favour of a soft/EFTA/EEA/etc" bollocks and here we are.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    rcs1000 said:

    Face.

    In China, the concept of "face" is very important. In any negotiation, both sides must appear to retain face.

    It's a mistake the EU made with the backstop (especially given it is essentially unenforceable), and it's a mistake President Trump is making now.

    If HMG were to give in to this bullying, they would lose face. That cannot happen.

    The way to remove an unruly Ambassador without the issue of face, is - of course - to bring it up in backchannels. Then the Ambassador can simply be transferred somewhere else, or quietly retired, or promoted to the House of Lords, and nothing need be said.

    The EU didn't make any mistake whatsoever with the backstop.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    edited July 2019
    AndyJS said:

    O/T

    The forecast for Thursday's match isn't particularly good at the moment.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2650236

    I'd rate any sort of weather as a positive for Australia and a negative for England from a start point of expecting (In the mathematical sense of the word) an England win.
    Dry weather = Road = England win
    Rain = Slower pitch & outfield = Aus can win

    On the plus side for us with weather we have our two of our fastest scorers up top (Roy/Bairstow) which should help any DLS situation, we decelerated against India if DLS had intervened then India's chase would have been truly colossal.

    So Aus probably want rain before the match, but not during - winning the toss and batting could be crucial as I think the formula overvalues wickets as a resource at times.
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    justin124 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    148grss said:

    TGOHF said:

    Labour on 20% after a decade in opposition.

    LOL.

    Conservatives have only managed to scrape a majority once since Major... It always astounds me more people don't make more out of that.

    After Brown, they failed to win a majority.
    After gaining a majority, they imploded due to Europe.
    And after losing that majority they continue to be a zombie party.

    In the long lens of the last 30 years, it is the Tories who look increasingly irrelevant with the LDs taking on wet market liberalism / unionism, and the UKIPs/ BXP taking on English nationalism.
    Both major parties look done for... But for Con, if they can get Brexit done and unite the right I suspect they'll survive.

    For Lab its looking pretty terminal to me...
    Just one problem with your assumption ... the Tories can't get Brexit done and with Labour rapidly backing themselves into the remain camp, that leaves Boris with a problem of major proportions.
    Incidentally after Labour's volte face this morming, largely driven by McDonnell and his union buddies, the Brexit betting markets as a whole appear to have moved very little. One Betfair price which caught my eye was their "No Brexit before 2022 on offer at 3.75, i.e. 11/4 in old money. If it doesn't happen over the next 6 months,it ain't going to happen over the next 2½ years.
    I am a Labour supporter. I could detect any "volte face" this morning. The idea that if Labour came to power, we would do our own Brexit is unacceptable to 75% of members.

    It begs the question: what will be in the Labour manifesto ? If it is referendum only on a Tory Brexit or No-Deal but no referendum on a Labour Brexit then it will hardly move the needle.

    Also, why should Labour negotiate a Brexit at all ? We want to Remain, period regardless of what Don Valley thinks. I bet the majority of Labour voters there too support Remain.
    Oops ! I meant I could NOT detect any volte face this morning.
    I think the Referendum result justifies a Labour Government seeking to negotiate a better deal with the EU to be followed by a further Referendum with the options being 'This is the best we can do' and Remain.
    I will be Ok as long as Remain is an option even if the "deal" is negotiated by Labour. However, what is the difference between UK outside the EU but within the CU [ and almost in the SM ] and Remaining ?

    I cannot see why the EU should even consider Labour's proposal. It's basically having the cake and eating it.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    rcs1000 said:

    Face.

    In China, the concept of "face" is very important. In any negotiation, both sides must appear to retain face.

    It's a mistake the EU made with the backstop...

    Why does that make it a mistake? Why is allowing the Brexiteers to save face in anyone's interests, let alone the EU's?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    O/T

    The forecast for Thursday's match isn't particularly good at the moment.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2650236

    I'd rate any sort of weather as a positive for Australia and a negative for England from a start point of expecting (In the mathematical sense of the word) an England win.
    Dry weather = Road = England win
    Rain = Slower pitch & outfield = Aus can win

    On the plus side for us with weather we have our two of our fastest scorers up top (Roy/Bairstow) which should help any DLS situation, we decelerated against India if DLS had intervened then India's chase would have been truly colossal.

    So Aus probably want rain before the match, but not during - winning the toss and batting could be crucial as I think the formula overvalues wickets as a resource at times.
    If Roy/Bairstow get to 120-0 off of 20 overs then the 20 over chase total will be around 280 I think...
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    rcs1000 said:

    Face.

    In China, the concept of "face" is very important. In any negotiation, both sides must appear to retain face.

    It's a mistake the EU made with the backstop (especially given it is essentially unenforceable), and it's a mistake President Trump is making now.

    If HMG were to give in to this bullying, they would lose face. That cannot happen.

    The way to remove an unruly Ambassador without the issue of face, is - of course - to bring it up in backchannels. Then the Ambassador can simply be transferred somewhere else, or quietly retired, or promoted to the House of Lords, and nothing need be said.

    Though the Ambassador is leaving soon anyway isn't he? And Trump lost face due to this leak.

    Trump is indulging himself in ranting and raving as he likes to do and by the time a new PM is elected he will have moved on to whoever has most recently pissed him off.

    The difference between the EU and the WDA on the one hand and Trump and the Ambassador on the other is the EU want the WDA whereas Trump just wants to rant and rave. I don't think he'll care at all if Darroch gets replaced and the end of his term instead of a few weeks sooner.
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