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"Trump throws Twitter tantrum" is a rather 'dog bites man' story over there.MikeSmithson said:
The Darroch story isn't getting much coverage on the US mediaTheuniondivvie said:I'm not sure quite how resonant the Epstein story is in the US (seems pretty smelly from here), but might Trump doubling down on Darroch be a handy distraction? It's a ploy that he's been accused of/credited with before.
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I think they look a rather fetching if slightly odd couple...CarlottaVance said:0 -
Boris holding "Filling in the gaps" - policy or between his ears ????CarlottaVance said:0 -
When was Triesman the Gen Sec of Labour ? Does he have another name ? I cannot recall anyone with that name.oxfordsimon said:0 -
I just hope there aren't a lot of empty seats at Edgbaston on Thursday. That really would be a public relations disaster for the ICC.0
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That'd be with the old DL method + interpolation (12.23% of resources available), I can't find the professional tables online anywhere sadly.AndyJS said:
With 5 wickets in hand? I'm surprised, I thought it would be a bit higher.Pulpstar said:
I make the Duckworth Lewis Stern score right now as 241surbiton19 said:
I'd be surprised if they make 240 !AndyJS said:Good afternoon. 270 might be a competitive score on this wicket.
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"When in doubt, say nothing" seems sensible to me but to Boris? Who knows. I suspect he and Trump can communicate after their own fashion.GIN1138 said:
Surely it's relatively easy to fudge the answer?CarlottaVance said:Times Leader writer tweets:
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How are semi final tickets allocated for the football world cup ? Surely after the playing teams are known.AndyJS said:I just hope there aren't a lot of empty seats at Edgbaston on Thursday. That really would be a public relations disaster for the ICC.
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These pricks are imitating the American one.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Front page could do with work:JackW said:
Boris holding "Filling in the gaps" - policy or between his ears ????CarlottaVance said:
"Mystery Closure of Town Pub"
On the menu
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Conservatives have only managed to scrape a majority once since Major... It always astounds me more people don't make more out of that.TGOHF said:Labour on 20% after a decade in opposition.
LOL.
After Brown, they failed to win a majority.
After gaining a majority, they imploded due to Europe.
And after losing that majority they continue to be a zombie party.
In the long lens of the last 30 years, it is the Tories who look increasingly irrelevant with the LDs taking on wet market liberalism / unionism, and the UKIPs/ BXP taking on English nationalism.0 -
Or, more likely (?), you can't find everything that is available on line.AndyJS said:
Nor can I. Proves that everything isn't available online.surbiton19 said:
I cannot find a good DLS calculator in google.AndyJS said:
With 5 wickets in hand? I'm surprised, I thought it would be a bit higher.Pulpstar said:
I make the Duckworth Lewis Stern score right now as 241surbiton19 said:
I'd be surprised if they make 240 !AndyJS said:Good afternoon. 270 might be a competitive score on this wicket.
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surbiton19 said:
When was Triesman the Gen Sec of Labour ? Does he have another name ? I cannot recall anyone with that name.oxfordsimon said:
2000-2003. Blairite Tory
(Actually he's an ex-Maoist)
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Is this it ?ReggieCide said:
Or, more likely (?), you can't find everything that is available on line.AndyJS said:
Nor can I. Proves that everything isn't available online.surbiton19 said:
I cannot find a good DLS calculator in google.AndyJS said:
With 5 wickets in hand? I'm surprised, I thought it would be a bit higher.Pulpstar said:
I make the Duckworth Lewis Stern score right now as 241surbiton19 said:
I'd be surprised if they make 240 !AndyJS said:Good afternoon. 270 might be a competitive score on this wicket.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/47484049
Took me about 12 seconds...
http://www.boltoncricket.co.uk/DLcalc.html
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Both major parties look done for... But for Con, if they can get Brexit done and unite the right I suspect they'll survive.148grss said:
Conservatives have only managed to scrape a majority once since Major... It always astounds me more people don't make more out of that.TGOHF said:Labour on 20% after a decade in opposition.
LOL.
After Brown, they failed to win a majority.
After gaining a majority, they imploded due to Europe.
And after losing that majority they continue to be a zombie party.
In the long lens of the last 30 years, it is the Tories who look increasingly irrelevant with the LDs taking on wet market liberalism / unionism, and the UKIPs/ BXP taking on English nationalism.
For Lab its looking pretty terminal to me...0 -
What a nasty comment you wrote on Nusrat Ghani's twitter feed. Although I suppose it's easy to make any kind of comment anonymously to an Asian woman on the internet.surbiton19 said:
How are semi final tickets allocated for the football world cup ? Surely after the playing teams are known.AndyJS said:I just hope there aren't a lot of empty seats at Edgbaston on Thursday. That really would be a public relations disaster for the ICC.
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OJ's views match his stature physically and metaphorically.CarlottaVance said:0 -
"sad" is nasty ?TOPPING said:
What a nasty comment you wrote on Nusrat Ghani's twitter feed. Although I suppose it's easy to make any kind of comment anonymously to an Asian woman on the internet.surbiton19 said:
How are semi final tickets allocated for the football world cup ? Surely after the playing teams are known.AndyJS said:I just hope there aren't a lot of empty seats at Edgbaston on Thursday. That really would be a public relations disaster for the ICC.
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Thanks. I honestly cannot remember him. Maybe because Labour had a 160 seat majority and the affairs of Labour Party / NEC was not that important.CarlottaVance said:surbiton19 said:
When was Triesman the Gen Sec of Labour ? Does he have another name ? I cannot recall anyone with that name.oxfordsimon said:
2000-2003. Blairite Tory
(Actually he's an ex-Maoist)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Triesman,_Baron_Triesman0 -
Yep, as an anonymous one-liner. To a female MP. You have plenty of thoughts about life I don't see why you couldn't have elaborated.surbiton19 said:
"sad" is nasty ?TOPPING said:
What a nasty comment you wrote on Nusrat Ghani's twitter feed. Although I suppose it's easy to make any kind of comment anonymously to an Asian woman on the internet.surbiton19 said:
How are semi final tickets allocated for the football world cup ? Surely after the playing teams are known.AndyJS said:I just hope there aren't a lot of empty seats at Edgbaston on Thursday. That really would be a public relations disaster for the ICC.
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I think that's Duckworth-Lewis, rather than Duckworth Lewis SternNigelb said:
Is this it ?ReggieCide said:
Or, more likely (?), you can't find everything that is available on line.AndyJS said:
Nor can I. Proves that everything isn't available online.surbiton19 said:
I cannot find a good DLS calculator in google.AndyJS said:
With 5 wickets in hand? I'm surprised, I thought it would be a bit higher.Pulpstar said:
I make the Duckworth Lewis Stern score right now as 241surbiton19 said:
I'd be surprised if they make 240 !AndyJS said:Good afternoon. 270 might be a competitive score on this wicket.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/47484049
Took me about 12 seconds...
http://www.boltoncricket.co.uk/DLcalc.html0 -
I doubt he would be VoNCed then - everyone would be ensuring Boris owned that revokation...SandyRentool said:
"Scenario 3: Imagine that Bozo has had to Revoke and is then VONCed by parliament..."Stark_Dawning said:'Scenario 2: Imagine that a General Election is held later this year after Brexit has been delivered.'
That 'after Brexit has been delivered' is massively problematic. Nigel will scream betrayal no matter what Boris serves up and probably all of TBP and many Tories will take Nigel's side. Boris is stuffed unless he kisses Nigel's spurs and begs for his patronage.0 -
If that is all you can come up with, I'll make you happy: you are sad too !TOPPING said:
Yep, as an anonymous one-liner. To a female MP. You have plenty of thoughts about life I don't see why you couldn't have elaborated.surbiton19 said:
"sad" is nasty ?TOPPING said:
What a nasty comment you wrote on Nusrat Ghani's twitter feed. Although I suppose it's easy to make any kind of comment anonymously to an Asian woman on the internet.surbiton19 said:
How are semi final tickets allocated for the football world cup ? Surely after the playing teams are known.AndyJS said:I just hope there aren't a lot of empty seats at Edgbaston on Thursday. That really would be a public relations disaster for the ICC.
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That doesn't produce a DLS figure.Nigelb said:
Is this it ?ReggieCide said:
Or, more likely (?), you can't find everything that is available on line.AndyJS said:
Nor can I. Proves that everything isn't available online.surbiton19 said:
I cannot find a good DLS calculator in google.AndyJS said:
With 5 wickets in hand? I'm surprised, I thought it would be a bit higher.Pulpstar said:
I make the Duckworth Lewis Stern score right now as 241surbiton19 said:
I'd be surprised if they make 240 !AndyJS said:Good afternoon. 270 might be a competitive score on this wicket.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/47484049
Took me about 12 seconds...
http://www.boltoncricket.co.uk/DLcalc.html0 -
Why is the BBC not leading on the outragous and unprecedented attack on a serving PM and ambassador by our supposed leading ally?0
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India now under the cosh (no, not in that way).
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/11485736328698757120 -
Not quite the same. I found that too. So what do you do ? Put in 211 for 5. Then what ? I tried to put in 46 overs for the 2nd innings . It just doesn't work.Nigelb said:
Is this it ?ReggieCide said:
Or, more likely (?), you can't find everything that is available on line.AndyJS said:
Nor can I. Proves that everything isn't available online.surbiton19 said:
I cannot find a good DLS calculator in google.AndyJS said:
With 5 wickets in hand? I'm surprised, I thought it would be a bit higher.Pulpstar said:
I make the Duckworth Lewis Stern score right now as 241surbiton19 said:
I'd be surprised if they make 240 !AndyJS said:Good afternoon. 270 might be a competitive score on this wicket.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/47484049
Took me about 12 seconds...
http://www.boltoncricket.co.uk/DLcalc.html
The calculator above is useful after the 2nd innings has started.0 -
I am already happy. But I now see firsthand how the whole bullying of (especially female) MPs develops. Anonymous dickheads on the internet making nasty comments that they don't see any problems with.surbiton19 said:
If that is all you can come up with, I'll make you happy: you are sad too !TOPPING said:
Yep, as an anonymous one-liner. To a female MP. You have plenty of thoughts about life I don't see why you couldn't have elaborated.surbiton19 said:
"sad" is nasty ?TOPPING said:
What a nasty comment you wrote on Nusrat Ghani's twitter feed. Although I suppose it's easy to make any kind of comment anonymously to an Asian woman on the internet.surbiton19 said:
How are semi final tickets allocated for the football world cup ? Surely after the playing teams are known.AndyJS said:I just hope there aren't a lot of empty seats at Edgbaston on Thursday. That really would be a public relations disaster for the ICC.
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And another Lord has resigned the Labour whip
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He is after Vietnam too ! Actually, he has gone a bit lukewarm against Iran. Bot Bolton/Pompey will do something.Theuniondivvie said:India now under the cosh (no, not in that way).
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Nus Ghani has had a lot of really nasty stuff.TOPPING said:
I am already happy. But I now see firsthand how the whole bullying of (especially female) MPs develops. Anonymous dickheads on the internet making nasty comments that they don't see any problems with.0 -
"Protests against LGBT lessons in Birmingham primary school resume
Parkfield community school announced it would relaunch equality teaching in September"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/09/protests-against-lgbt-lessons-in-birmingham-primary-school-resume0 -
I can only find one person here using nasty, horrible words. It ain't me !TOPPING said:
I am already happy. But I now see firsthand how the whole bullying of (especially female) MPs develops. Anonymous dickheads on the internet making nasty comments that they don't see any problems with.surbiton19 said:
If that is all you can come up with, I'll make you happy: you are sad too !TOPPING said:
Yep, as an anonymous one-liner. To a female MP. You have plenty of thoughts about life I don't see why you couldn't have elaborated.surbiton19 said:
"sad" is nasty ?TOPPING said:
What a nasty comment you wrote on Nusrat Ghani's twitter feed. Although I suppose it's easy to make any kind of comment anonymously to an Asian woman on the internet.surbiton19 said:
How are semi final tickets allocated for the football world cup ? Surely after the playing teams are known.AndyJS said:I just hope there aren't a lot of empty seats at Edgbaston on Thursday. That really would be a public relations disaster for the ICC.
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Not quite the same. I found that too. So what do you do ? Put in 211 for 5. Then what ? I tried to put in 46 overs for the 2nd innings . It just doesn't work.Nigelb said:
Is this it ?ReggieCide said:
Or, more likely (?), you can't find everything that is available on line.AndyJS said:
Nor can I. Proves that everything isn't available online.surbiton19 said:
I cannot find a good DLS calculator in google.AndyJS said:
With 5 wickets in hand? I'm surprised, I thought it would be a bit higher.Pulpstar said:
I make the Duckworth Lewis Stern score right now as 241surbiton19 said:
I'd be surprised if they make 240 !AndyJS said:Good afternoon. 270 might be a competitive score on this wicket.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/47484049
Took me about 12 seconds...
http://www.boltoncricket.co.uk/DLcalc.html
The calculator above is useful after the 2nd innings has started.0 -
Ross Perot has died at 89 following a 5 month battle with Leukemia.0
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I'm not talking about on here, I'm talking about on Nus Ghani's twitterfeed. We're all big boys on here.surbiton19 said:
I can only find one person here using nasty, horrible words. It ain't me !TOPPING said:
I am already happy. But I now see firsthand how the whole bullying of (especially female) MPs develops. Anonymous dickheads on the internet making nasty comments that they don't see any problems with.surbiton19 said:
If that is all you can come up with, I'll make you happy: you are sad too !TOPPING said:
Yep, as an anonymous one-liner. To a female MP. You have plenty of thoughts about life I don't see why you couldn't have elaborated.surbiton19 said:
"sad" is nasty ?TOPPING said:
What a nasty comment you wrote on Nusrat Ghani's twitter feed. Although I suppose it's easy to make any kind of comment anonymously to an Asian woman on the internet.surbiton19 said:
How are semi final tickets allocated for the football world cup ? Surely after the playing teams are known.AndyJS said:I just hope there aren't a lot of empty seats at Edgbaston on Thursday. That really would be a public relations disaster for the ICC.
Apart from @Philip_Thompson.0 -
Very measured exchange between Emily Thornberry and Sir Alan Duncan in the House over our Ambassador to US.0
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Is not "Privileged whitesplaining" rather racist? Just asking for a friend.......CarlottaVance said:1 -
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I have just got another follower on the internet [ also from PB ]. Don't worry, Mr Topping, that only makes it 3.0
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If you put in 240-10 as team A and Team B overs 46.1 for 5 wickets with maximum overs 50, it produces a team B target of 211 runs.surbiton19 said:
Not quite the same. I found that too. So what do you do ? Put in 211 for 5. Then what ? I tried to put in 46 overs for the 2nd innings . It just doesn't work.Nigelb said:
Is this it ?ReggieCide said:
Or, more likely (?), you can't find everything that is available on line.AndyJS said:
Nor can I. Proves that everything isn't available online.surbiton19 said:
I cannot find a good DLS calculator in google.AndyJS said:
With 5 wickets in hand? I'm surprised, I thought it would be a bit higher.Pulpstar said:
I make the Duckworth Lewis Stern score right now as 241surbiton19 said:
I'd be surprised if they make 240 !AndyJS said:Good afternoon. 270 might be a competitive score on this wicket.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/47484049
Took me about 12 seconds...
http://www.boltoncricket.co.uk/DLcalc.html
The calculator above is useful after the 2nd innings has started.
https://www.easycalculation.com/sports/duckworth-lewis-calculator.php suggests this is a tie.
The resource % attributable to the remaining 5 wickets must therefore exceed 12.x % given the score to chase for 46 overs is 237.
96.1% of resources remaining for 46 overs and 0 wickets suggests that the par score attributed to New Zealand would have been 247.
56.6% of resources remaining would suggest a 20 over chase target of 140 - the real figure is 148, hence we can deduce the online calculator does not use the DLS professional tables.0 -
In 1950 the Liberals poster had a picture of Big Ben and the slogan 'What's the time? Time we had the Liberals back.'PClipp said:
We used to dream of that, when I were a child.stodge said:Afternoon all
Fascinating poll - once people see they can dump Boris, Corbyn, Brexit and Farage at the same time they'll rush at the chance. LD majority?
Didn't, of course, to a lot of good.0 -
What a leaderScott_P said:0 -
What an absolute toolScott_P said:0 -
I used to say to our kids after getting home from the count ‘our day will come’ it sort of did in 95 but you have to keep the faith.PClipp said:
We used to dream of that, when I were a child.stodge said:Afternoon all
Fascinating poll - once people see they can dump Boris, Corbyn, Brexit and Farage at the same time they'll rush at the chance. LD majority?0 -
Sadly,for most Labour party members, nothing has changed !oxfordsimon said:
What an absolute toolScott_P said:0 -
I just went over to her twitter to see what Owen Jones had been doing and your comment jumped out as apropos of nothing, no context and quite aggressive. Nasty, even. It so happened that I was able to relay my thoughts to the author of those very comments.surbiton19 said:I have just got another follower on the internet [ also from PB ]. Don't worry, Mr Topping, that only makes it 3.
I appreciate twitter is a pithy medium but you do have 280 characters to put your point. Nus Ghani managed to do so. I am just responding to the impression it left. Perhaps you should head back over there to see it in the cold light of day.0 -
Third peer quits - https://twitter.com/hattmarris84/status/11486009726729953290
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https://upclosed.com/people/david-triesman-baron-triesman/surbiton19 said:
Thanks. I honestly cannot remember him. Maybe because Labour had a 160 seat majority and the affairs of Labour Party / NEC was not that important.CarlottaVance said:surbiton19 said:
When was Triesman the Gen Sec of Labour ? Does he have another name ? I cannot recall anyone with that name.oxfordsimon said:
2000-2003. Blairite Tory
(Actually he's an ex-Maoist)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Triesman,_Baron_Triesman
Declared a 'Free University' at Essex in19680 -
He's toast, through no fault of his own. just a matter of timing and observing the niceties.OldKingCole said:Very measured exchange between Emily Thornberry and Sir Alan Duncan in the House over our Ambassador to US.
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I'll follow those that speak their mind on twitter regardless of political persuasionsurbiton19 said:I have just got another follower on the internet [ also from PB ]. Don't worry, Mr Topping, that only makes it 3.
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If it covers Ashford, Tenterden and the Marsh, then shurely it should be the "Express of Kent" not the "Kentish Express"...CarlottaVance said:0 -
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Story of the day....
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Just one problem with your assumption ... the Tories can't get Brexit done and with Labour rapidly backing themselves into the remain camp, that leaves Boris with a problem of major proportions.GIN1138 said:
Both major parties look done for... But for Con, if they can get Brexit done and unite the right I suspect they'll survive.148grss said:
Conservatives have only managed to scrape a majority once since Major... It always astounds me more people don't make more out of that.TGOHF said:Labour on 20% after a decade in opposition.
LOL.
After Brown, they failed to win a majority.
After gaining a majority, they imploded due to Europe.
And after losing that majority they continue to be a zombie party.
In the long lens of the last 30 years, it is the Tories who look increasingly irrelevant with the LDs taking on wet market liberalism / unionism, and the UKIPs/ BXP taking on English nationalism.
For Lab its looking pretty terminal to me...
Incidentally after Labour's volte face this morming, largely driven by McDonnell and his union buddies, the Brexit betting markets as a whole appear to have moved very little. One Betfair price which caught my eye was their "No Brexit before 2022 on offer at 3.75, i.e. 11/4 in old money. If it doesn't happen over the next 6 months,it ain't going to happen over the next 2½ years.0 -
That latter is their only chance, and even then they risk the backlash going to the properly remain parties.dixiedean said:
What if Brexit is delivered and it is very bad?kinabalu said:
I am firmly of the belief that for Labour under Corbyn to have a good chance of winning the next general election it has to come BEFORE any Brexit is delivered.AlastairMeeks said:NB The Brexit party supporters don't disappear just because Brexit has been delivered. This seems to be the hope of the Conservatives but there's no evidence of it.
This polling should terrify the Labour party too. They are expected to get absolutely no benefit from Brexit being seen in the rear view mirror. They can only hope that's incorrect in practice.
I think they know this too.
In a pre-Brexit election now, Labour will struggle heavily since their policy toward Brexit won’t stand up to scrutiny.0 -
I thought his sentence was a year and he'd already done some of it anyway. Where's the two years coming in, unless he's treated uniquely within the justice system... ?CarlottaVance said:0 -
Obviously a cricket fan upset that India didn't bowl all their overs by 2pm.Theuniondivvie said:India now under the cosh (no, not in that way).
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The case was retried - it's possibly he could get a longer sentence this time aroundPulpstar said:
I thought his sentence was a year and he'd already done some of it anyway. Where's the two years coming in, unless he's treated uniquely within the justice system... ?CarlottaVance said:0 -
Good spot. I seem to have somehow dug myself to a level red of -£17.03 in that market so the first £17.03 of winnings from the additional tenner I've just popped on not before 2022 will be commission and premium charge freepeter_from_putney said:
Incidentally after Labour's volte face this morming, largely driven by McDonnell and his union buddies, the Brexit betting markets as a whole appear to have moved very little. One Betfair price which caught my eye was their "No Brexit before 2022 on offer at 3.75, i.e. 11/4 in old money. If it doesn't happen over the next 6 months,it ain't going to happen over the next 2½ years.
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Essex students were somewhat radical in the 60's.logical_song said:
https://upclosed.com/people/david-triesman-baron-triesman/surbiton19 said:
Thanks. I honestly cannot remember him. Maybe because Labour had a 160 seat majority and the affairs of Labour Party / NEC was not that important.CarlottaVance said:surbiton19 said:
When was Triesman the Gen Sec of Labour ? Does he have another name ? I cannot recall anyone with that name.oxfordsimon said:
2000-2003. Blairite Tory
(Actually he's an ex-Maoist)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Triesman,_Baron_Triesman
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I thought that Sky headline was a joke at first.Pulpstar said:
I thought his sentence was a year and he'd already done some of it anyway. Where's the two years coming in, unless he's treated uniquely within the justice system... ?CarlottaVance said:
But of course, makes perfect sense.
He'll fit right in with Richard Spence and the others.0 -
CarlottaVance said:
Interesting that Alan Duncan made the point that it was our Ambassadors rose-tinted view of the Shah's Government and popularity in the 50's that led to the Iranian Revolution0 -
He was sentenced to 13 months last May and served two - released on appeal. The AG appealed that and he's been re-tried and convicted with sentencing later this week. The maximum sentence is 24 months - they may lop off the 2 months he's already served.Pulpstar said:
I thought his sentence was a year and he'd already done some of it anyway. Where's the two years coming in, unless he's treated uniquely within the justice system... ?CarlottaVance said:0 -
I am a Labour supporter. I could detect any "volte face" this morning. The idea that if Labour came to power, we would do our own Brexit is unacceptable to 75% of members.peter_from_putney said:
Just one problem with your assumption ... the Tories can't get Brexit done and with Labour rapidly backing themselves into the remain camp, that leaves Boris with a problem of major proportions.GIN1138 said:
Both major parties look done for... But for Con, if they can get Brexit done and unite the right I suspect they'll survive.148grss said:
Conservatives have only managed to scrape a majority once since Major... It always astounds me more people don't make more out of that.TGOHF said:Labour on 20% after a decade in opposition.
LOL.
After Brown, they failed to win a majority.
After gaining a majority, they imploded due to Europe.
And after losing that majority they continue to be a zombie party.
In the long lens of the last 30 years, it is the Tories who look increasingly irrelevant with the LDs taking on wet market liberalism / unionism, and the UKIPs/ BXP taking on English nationalism.
For Lab its looking pretty terminal to me...
Incidentally after Labour's volte face this morming, largely driven by McDonnell and his union buddies, the Brexit betting markets as a whole appear to have moved very little. One Betfair price which caught my eye was their "No Brexit before 2022 on offer at 3.75, i.e. 11/4 in old money. If it doesn't happen over the next 6 months,it ain't going to happen over the next 2½ years.
It begs the question: what will be in the Labour manifesto ? If it is referendum only on a Tory Brexit or No-Deal but no referendum on a Labour Brexit then it will hardly move the needle.
Also, why should Labour negotiate a Brexit at all ? We want to Remain, period regardless of what Don Valley thinks. I bet the majority of Labour voters there too support Remain.0 -
He's not going to squat in the US Embassy, is he?rottenborough said:
I thought that Sky headline was a joke at first.Pulpstar said:
I thought his sentence was a year and he'd already done some of it anyway. Where's the two years coming in, unless he's treated uniquely within the justice system... ?CarlottaVance said:
But of course, makes perfect sense.
He'll fit right in with Richard Spence and the others.0 -
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Oops ! I meant I could NOT detect any volte face this morning.surbiton19 said:
I am a Labour supporter. I could detect any "volte face" this morning. The idea that if Labour came to power, we would do our own Brexit is unacceptable to 75% of members.peter_from_putney said:
Just one problem with your assumption ... the Tories can't get Brexit done and with Labour rapidly backing themselves into the remain camp, that leaves Boris with a problem of major proportions.GIN1138 said:
Both major parties look done for... But for Con, if they can get Brexit done and unite the right I suspect they'll survive.148grss said:
Conservatives have only managed to scrape a majority once since Major... It always astounds me more people don't make more out of that.TGOHF said:Labour on 20% after a decade in opposition.
LOL.
After Brown, they failed to win a majority.
After gaining a majority, they imploded due to Europe.
And after losing that majority they continue to be a zombie party.
In the long lens of the last 30 years, it is the Tories who look increasingly irrelevant with the LDs taking on wet market liberalism / unionism, and the UKIPs/ BXP taking on English nationalism.
For Lab its looking pretty terminal to me...
Incidentally after Labour's volte face this morming, largely driven by McDonnell and his union buddies, the Brexit betting markets as a whole appear to have moved very little. One Betfair price which caught my eye was their "No Brexit before 2022 on offer at 3.75, i.e. 11/4 in old money. If it doesn't happen over the next 6 months,it ain't going to happen over the next 2½ years.
It begs the question: what will be in the Labour manifesto ? If it is referendum only on a Tory Brexit or No-Deal but no referendum on a Labour Brexit then it will hardly move the needle.
Also, why should Labour negotiate a Brexit at all ? We want to Remain, period regardless of what Don Valley thinks. I bet the majority of Labour voters there too support Remain.1 -
Face.
In China, the concept of "face" is very important. In any negotiation, both sides must appear to retain face.
It's a mistake the EU made with the backstop (especially given it is essentially unenforceable), and it's a mistake President Trump is making now.
If HMG were to give in to this bullying, they would lose face. That cannot happen.
The way to remove an unruly Ambassador without the issue of face, is - of course - to bring it up in backchannels. Then the Ambassador can simply be transferred somewhere else, or quietly retired, or promoted to the House of Lords, and nothing need be said.
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Looks like there are no more Lab MPs standing down since yesterday so Ann Clwyd and Denis Skinner will be carrying on well into their 80s.
Skinner would be next father of the house with Ken Clarke standing down.
So far 4 Con, 7 Lab, 1 ex-Con (Boles) standing down.
It feels to me that a lot of MPs are hanging in there until Brexit is resolved.
Current MPs over 80=3 (3 Lab)
Current MPs 71-80 = 29 (10 Con, 16 Lab, 2 ex-Lab, 1 LD)
Current MPs 65-70 = 52 (21 Con, 22 Lab, 2 SNP, 2 SF, 2 DUP, 1 ex-Lab, 1 Plaid, 1 LD)
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I don't think Hammond need worry himself. Fixing his mess will be someone else's job soon enough.AlastairMeeks said:It's minus ten in this shade:
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That sounds like an absolute win. Can we palm him off on the dupes?CarlottaVance said:
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I'd have thought Robinson's chances of getting into the US would be slim given he has various convictions already.0
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I think the Referendum result justifies a Labour Government seeking to negotiate a better deal with the EU to be followed by a further Referendum with the options being 'This is the best we can do' and Remain.surbiton19 said:
Oops ! I meant I could NOT detect any volte face this morning.surbiton19 said:
I am a Labour supporter. I could detect any "volte face" this morning. The idea that if Labour came to power, we would do our own Brexit is unacceptable to 75% of members.peter_from_putney said:
Just one problem with your assumption ... the Tories can't get Brexit done and with Labour rapidly backing themselves into the remain camp, that leaves Boris with a problem of major proportions.GIN1138 said:
Both major parties look done for... But for Con, if they can get Brexit done and unite the right I suspect they'll survive.148grss said:
Conservatives have only managed to scrape a majority once since Major... It always astounds me more people don't make more out of that.TGOHF said:Labour on 20% after a decade in opposition.
LOL.
After Brown, they failed to win a majority.
After gaining a majority, they imploded due to Europe.
And after losing that majority they continue to be a zombie party.
In the long lens of the last 30 years, it is the Tories who look increasingly irrelevant with the LDs taking on wet market liberalism / unionism, and the UKIPs/ BXP taking on English nationalism.
For Lab its looking pretty terminal to me...
Incidentally after Labour's volte face this morming, largely driven by McDonnell and his union buddies, the Brexit betting markets as a whole appear to have moved very little. One Betfair price which caught my eye was their "No Brexit before 2022 on offer at 3.75, i.e. 11/4 in old money. If it doesn't happen over the next 6 months,it ain't going to happen over the next 2½ years.
It begs the question: what will be in the Labour manifesto ? If it is referendum only on a Tory Brexit or No-Deal but no referendum on a Labour Brexit then it will hardly move the needle.
Also, why should Labour negotiate a Brexit at all ? We want to Remain, period regardless of what Don Valley thinks. I bet the majority of Labour voters there too support Remain.0 -
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I imagine DuraAce has a few stories about 'backfilling' he could share with the PB community...CarlottaVance said:Meanwhile.......
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The quiet man is turning up the volume. Looking forward to his first speech from the back benches.AlastairMeeks said:It's minus ten in this shade:
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Absolute total fucking c***s have brought us to this. All the "I never voted for this type of Brexit, actually I'm in favour of a soft/EFTA/EEA/etc" bollocks and here we are.Scott_P said:0 -
The EU didn't make any mistake whatsoever with the backstop.rcs1000 said:Face.
In China, the concept of "face" is very important. In any negotiation, both sides must appear to retain face.
It's a mistake the EU made with the backstop (especially given it is essentially unenforceable), and it's a mistake President Trump is making now.
If HMG were to give in to this bullying, they would lose face. That cannot happen.
The way to remove an unruly Ambassador without the issue of face, is - of course - to bring it up in backchannels. Then the Ambassador can simply be transferred somewhere else, or quietly retired, or promoted to the House of Lords, and nothing need be said.1 -
I'd rate any sort of weather as a positive for Australia and a negative for England from a start point of expecting (In the mathematical sense of the word) an England win.AndyJS said:O/T
The forecast for Thursday's match isn't particularly good at the moment.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2650236
Dry weather = Road = England win
Rain = Slower pitch & outfield = Aus can win
On the plus side for us with weather we have our two of our fastest scorers up top (Roy/Bairstow) which should help any DLS situation, we decelerated against India if DLS had intervened then India's chase would have been truly colossal.
So Aus probably want rain before the match, but not during - winning the toss and batting could be crucial as I think the formula overvalues wickets as a resource at times.0 -
I will be Ok as long as Remain is an option even if the "deal" is negotiated by Labour. However, what is the difference between UK outside the EU but within the CU [ and almost in the SM ] and Remaining ?justin124 said:
I think the Referendum result justifies a Labour Government seeking to negotiate a better deal with the EU to be followed by a further Referendum with the options being 'This is the best we can do' and Remain.surbiton19 said:
Oops ! I meant I could NOT detect any volte face this morning.surbiton19 said:
I am a Labour supporter. I could detect any "volte face" this morning. The idea that if Labour came to power, we would do our own Brexit is unacceptable to 75% of members.peter_from_putney said:
Just one problem with your assumption ... the Tories can't get Brexit done and with Labour rapidly backing themselves into the remain camp, that leaves Boris with a problem of major proportions.GIN1138 said:
Both major parties look done for... But for Con, if they can get Brexit done and unite the right I suspect they'll survive.148grss said:
Conservatives have only managed to scrape a majority once since Major... It always astounds me more people don't make more out of that.TGOHF said:Labour on 20% after a decade in opposition.
LOL.
After Brown, they failed to win a majority.
After gaining a majority, they imploded due to Europe.
And after losing that majority they continue to be a zombie party.
In the long lens of the last 30 years, it is the Tories who look increasingly irrelevant with the LDs taking on wet market liberalism / unionism, and the UKIPs/ BXP taking on English nationalism.
For Lab its looking pretty terminal to me...
Incidentally after Labour's volte face this morming, largely driven by McDonnell and his union buddies, the Brexit betting markets as a whole appear to have moved very little. One Betfair price which caught my eye was their "No Brexit before 2022 on offer at 3.75, i.e. 11/4 in old money. If it doesn't happen over the next 6 months,it ain't going to happen over the next 2½ years.
It begs the question: what will be in the Labour manifesto ? If it is referendum only on a Tory Brexit or No-Deal but no referendum on a Labour Brexit then it will hardly move the needle.
Also, why should Labour negotiate a Brexit at all ? We want to Remain, period regardless of what Don Valley thinks. I bet the majority of Labour voters there too support Remain.
I cannot see why the EU should even consider Labour's proposal. It's basically having the cake and eating it.0 -
Why does that make it a mistake? Why is allowing the Brexiteers to save face in anyone's interests, let alone the EU's?rcs1000 said:Face.
In China, the concept of "face" is very important. In any negotiation, both sides must appear to retain face.
It's a mistake the EU made with the backstop...0 -
If Roy/Bairstow get to 120-0 off of 20 overs then the 20 over chase total will be around 280 I think...Pulpstar said:
I'd rate any sort of weather as a positive for Australia and a negative for England from a start point of expecting (In the mathematical sense of the word) an England win.AndyJS said:O/T
The forecast for Thursday's match isn't particularly good at the moment.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2650236
Dry weather = Road = England win
Rain = Slower pitch & outfield = Aus can win
On the plus side for us with weather we have our two of our fastest scorers up top (Roy/Bairstow) which should help any DLS situation, we decelerated against India if DLS had intervened then India's chase would have been truly colossal.
So Aus probably want rain before the match, but not during - winning the toss and batting could be crucial as I think the formula overvalues wickets as a resource at times.0 -
Though the Ambassador is leaving soon anyway isn't he? And Trump lost face due to this leak.rcs1000 said:Face.
In China, the concept of "face" is very important. In any negotiation, both sides must appear to retain face.
It's a mistake the EU made with the backstop (especially given it is essentially unenforceable), and it's a mistake President Trump is making now.
If HMG were to give in to this bullying, they would lose face. That cannot happen.
The way to remove an unruly Ambassador without the issue of face, is - of course - to bring it up in backchannels. Then the Ambassador can simply be transferred somewhere else, or quietly retired, or promoted to the House of Lords, and nothing need be said.
Trump is indulging himself in ranting and raving as he likes to do and by the time a new PM is elected he will have moved on to whoever has most recently pissed him off.
The difference between the EU and the WDA on the one hand and Trump and the Ambassador on the other is the EU want the WDA whereas Trump just wants to rant and rave. I don't think he'll care at all if Darroch gets replaced and the end of his term instead of a few weeks sooner.0
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