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BobaFett said:

compouter2 said:

JosiasJessop said:

compouter2 said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

compouter2 said:

I love a bit of Blue on Blue, it is very entertaining.

Oh, I don't know, it seems rather tame compared with Red on Red:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537817/Bruiser-Balls-dragged-apart-screaming-Alexander-stop-fists-flying-Tessa-Jowell-stops-Labour-heavyweights-coming-blows-Europe-vote.

Obviously a matter of opinion. Are you Team Boris or Team Gideon? Though there there is a choice of Team Gove, Team May and Team Grayling. Also, why does no one ever mention anyone in Team Cameron? I'm with Team Boris....Go Bojo!

Instead of obsessing about Conservative personalities (*), why not actually say something positive about the Labour Party and its policies? Or are you just another anti-Conservative person?

Awaits the silence ...

(*) Yes, I know I'm guilty of this at times as well.

Labour don't have any policies, it's a blank piece of paper.....don't you read posts on PB? Oh, and Ed's crap.

Depends on what day it is. Labour either have no policies at all, or a detailed manifesto of dangerously Marxist measures, that would trigger nationwide blackouts and bring about a new Cold War.

Take your pick.

Anorak said:

BobaFett said:

compouter2 said:

JosiasJessop said:

compouter2 said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

compouter2 said:

I love a bit of Blue on Blue, it is very entertaining.

Oh, I don't know, it seems rather tame compared with Red on Red:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537817/Bruiser-Balls-dragged-apart-screaming-Alexander-stop-fists-flying-Tessa-Jowell-stops-Labour-heavyweights-coming-blows-Europe-vote.

Obviously a matter of opinion. Are you Team Boris or Team Gideon? Though there there is a choice of Team Gove, Team May and Team Grayling. Also, why does no one ever mention anyone in Team Cameron? I'm with Team Boris....Go Bojo!

Instead of obsessing about Conservative personalities (*), why not actually say something positive about the Labour Party and its policies? Or are you just another anti-Conservative person?

Awaits the silence ...

(*) Yes, I know I'm guilty of this at times as well.

Labour don't have any policies, it's a blank piece of paper.....don't you read posts on PB? Oh, and Ed's crap.

Depends on what day it is. Labour either have no policies at all, or a detailed manifesto of dangerously Marxist measures, that would trigger nationwide blackouts and bring about a new Cold War.

Take your pick.

Ed has no announced policies, but he has a Hammer-and-Sickle embossed secret notebook full off dangerous marxist ones. Sometimes he forgets the 'secret' bit and he spouts off about controlling the energy markets or some other nonsense. Try and keep up.

BobaFett said:

if you had to draw up a book Richard how would you price the two belligerents?

BobaFett said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

compouter2 said:

Obviously a matter of opinion. Are you Team Boris or Team Gideon? Though there there is a choice of Team Gove, Team May and Team Grayling. Also, why does no one ever mention anyone in Team Cameron? I'm with Team Boris....Go Bojo!

It's all been rather boring compared with the last parliament. Gordon Brown plotting to dislodge Blair, and eventually succeeding, only for his henchmen to fall into civil war over the Election That Never Was; David Miliband repeatedly running up behind Brown's back and then running away again when Brown turned round; James Purnell going Over The Top, and finding that all those who had been cheering him on were inexplicably reluctant to follow him; Harriet Harman routinely on manoeuvres (she was favourite to be next Labour leader at one time!!!); Charles Clarke being Charles Clarke; Jack Straw being Delphically disloyal; and, most hilarious of all, the Snow Plot:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1331438/Harriet-traitor-How-Harman-led-plot-topple-Brown.html

In comparison, Tory plots have been thin gruel indeed in this parliament.

Ha! Fair play, all our yesterdays!

What I can't fathom though is why it is called "the a Snow Plot" (which admittedly is a great name)

Stuart_Dickson said:

antifrank said:

JackW said:

@Stuart_Dickson

I thought "Women For Independence" was a pressure group within Ukip campaigning for the fairer sex to be unchained from their kitchen sinks ?!?

Sluts For Scotland has a ring to it.

That post just about sums up the decline and fall of antifrank. Five years ago he was one of the best and most respected posters around here. Now he is a little ball of bitterness and hatred. It is sad to see. I actually blame the PB milieu rather than the person. It is hard to remain a decent human being when you immerse yourself in a sea of turds with self-importance problems.

volcanopete said:

Interesting article in the Spectator from Patrick McLoughlin,one of the few Tories to come from a working class background and a pro-European,advising Tories not to direct their fire on Ukip but on Labour and the L/Ds,implying a centrist message not one formulated to ape Ukip.
Bearing in mind he's not an old Etonian,chances are he won't be listened to,or have much of a future, but,if there were more like him, the Tory party would present a real threat.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9152091/paddy-power/

Stuart_Dickson said:

antifrank said:

JackW said:

@Stuart_Dickson

I thought "Women For Independence" was a pressure group within Ukip campaigning for the fairer sex to be unchained from their kitchen sinks ?!?

Sluts For Scotland has a ring to it.

That post just about sums up the decline and fall of antifrank. Five years ago he was one of the best and most respected posters around here. Now he is a little ball of bitterness and hatred. It is sad to see. I actually blame the PB milieu rather than the person. It is hard to remain a decent human being when you immerse yourself in a sea of turds with self-importance problems.

Morris_Dancer said:

Good evening, everyone.

Mr. Compouter2, shame on you, sir. I managed only a few seconds and decided the horrendous barrage assaulting my ears was enough.

If you're going to use a music video to make an unoriginal point, at least make it for a decent track. Deeper and Down by Status Quo would've been better.

JosiasJessop said:

This seems a rather interesting and fitting memorial:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26472037

RIP.

Stuart_Dickson said:

It is hard to remain a decent human being when you immerse yourself in a sea of turds with self-importance problems.

Easterross said:

HurstLlama said:

Easterross said:

JackW said:

The first shall be last

You really should have been an Archbishop Jack, probably more Wishart than Sharp.

Hang on, you Scots don't have bishops! Not only did we go to war over the point once but it also featured in a Flanders and Swan song.

We do indeed have Bishops. The Jacobites were almost exclusively either Episcopalian or Roman Catholic. We have 6 Episcopalian Bishops in Scotland, one of whom acts as Primus since for some reason they wont appoint an Archbishop. We have 2 Roman Catholic Archbishops, Glasgow and Edinburgh and St Andrews. The elevation to the red cap of Cardinal traditionally flips back and forward between the two so with the now disgraced Cardinal O'Brien of Edinburgh and St Andrews having stepped aside, the Archbishop of Glasgow would expect to be the next Scottish Cardinal. We also have loads of RC Bishops given the huge proportion of Central Scotland population of Irish Catholic extraction.

Stuart_Dickson said:

antifrank said:

JackW said:

@Stuart_Dickson

I thought "Women For Independence" was a pressure group within Ukip campaigning for the fairer sex to be unchained from their kitchen sinks ?!?

Sluts For Scotland has a ring to it.

turds with self-importance problems.

TOPPING said:

perdix said:

compouter2 said:

More Blue on Blue(this time from outside the party):

Institute of Directors press release

Commenting on the James Brokenshire’s speech on immigration this morning, Simon Walker, Director General of the Institute of Directors, said:

“It is feeble and pathetic to hear yet more divisive language from politicians on immigration. The UK is an open, trading country that benefits from the skills and ideas of migrants. We will not become more prosperous by closing our borders to talented individuals and entrepreneurs from across the world. This speech seems to be more about political positioning and less about what is good for the country."

Unrestrained immigration serves two self-interested groups:
Businesses to get cheaper labour.
Labour Party to import more voters.
As Marx(? ask millibean) said, give capitalists enough rope and they will hang themselves.
As I say, give Labour enough rope and they will screw us all.

As study after study has shown (although I appreciate this doesn't hold a candle to the bloke down your local pub), immigration unambiguously benefits the host nation for many reasons none of which I have time to go into here.

volcanopete said:

Interesting article in the Spectator from Patrick McLoughlin,one of the few Tories to come from a working class background and a pro-European,advising Tories not to direct their fire on Ukip but on Labour and the L/Ds,implying a centrist message not one formulated to ape Ukip.
Bearing in mind he's not an old Etonian,chances are he won't be listened to,or have much of a future, but,if there were more like him, the Tory party would present a real threat.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9152091/paddy-power/

compouter2 said:

MarkSenior said:

Out tonight so will mention there are 2 important Lab/Con contests in today's council by elections .
Bury MDC Ramsbottom , normally a safe Cconservative ward bur won by Labour on the toss of a coin after a dead heat in 2011 and by Labour narrowly in 2012 . The Labour councillor elected in 2011 has resigned .
Nottingham UA Clifton again normally a safe Conservative ward but Labour won 1 of the 3 seats in 2011 . This councillor has been disqualified for non attendance .
The Conservatives will be doing badly if they do not win at least the Nottingham seat back although Labour have a formidable campaigning machine in Nottingham .

Mark, not trying to be pedantic, however, Ramsbottom was won by the pulling of straws, not toss of a coin after five recounts I believe.

BobaFett said:

compouter2 said:

More Blue on Blue(this time from outside the party):

Institute of Directors press release

Commenting on the James Brokenshire’s speech on immigration this morning, Simon Walker, Director General of the Institute of Directors, said:

“It is feeble and pathetic to hear yet more divisive language from politicians on immigration. The UK is an open, trading country that benefits from the skills and ideas of migrants. We will not become more prosperous by closing our borders to talented individuals and entrepreneurs from across the world. This speech seems to be more about political positioning and less about what is good for the country."

Walker is right. Those who seek to close down immigration need to be upfront about the fact that they will make us all poorer.

rcs1000 said:

compouter2 said:

MarkSenior said:

Out tonight so will mention there are 2 important Lab/Con contests in today's council by elections .
Bury MDC Ramsbottom , normally a safe Cconservative ward bur won by Labour on the toss of a coin after a dead heat in 2011 and by Labour narrowly in 2012 . The Labour councillor elected in 2011 has resigned .
Nottingham UA Clifton again normally a safe Conservative ward but Labour won 1 of the 3 seats in 2011 . This councillor has been disqualified for non attendance .
The Conservatives will be doing badly if they do not win at least the Nottingham seat back although Labour have a formidable campaigning machine in Nottingham .

Mark, not trying to be pedantic, however, Ramsbottom was won by the pulling of straws, not toss of a coin after five recounts I believe.

They should decide dead heat by-elections by an anonymous competition on pb to see who can get banned first, or who can get SeanT to blow a gasket first.

This would be a clear test of skill, as well as adding additional betting opportunities for the rest of us.

MarkSenior said:

Out tonight so will mention there are 2 important Lab/Con contests in today's council by elections .
Bury MDC Ramsbottom , normally a safe Cconservative ward bur won by Labour on the toss of a coin after a dead heat in 2011 and by Labour narrowly in 2012 . The Labour councillor elected in 2011 has resigned .
Nottingham UA Clifton again normally a safe Conservative ward but Labour won 1 of the 3 seats in 2011 . This councillor has been disqualified for non attendance .
The Conservatives will be doing badly if they do not win at least the Nottingham seat back although Labour have a formidable campaigning machine in Nottingham .

HurstLlama said:

Carnyx said:

I was surprised by Mr Llama's assertion at the lack of bishops up here, given that the good and now retired Bishop Holloway of Edinburgh always used to get quoted on the media on the burning issues of the day. I always suspected that this was due to his media-friendly ability but also the fact that journos could never remember who was Moderator of the [Presbyterian] Kirk of Scotland that year ...

The importance of the home-grown RC hierarchy (outside such places as Uist and Barra) is of relatively recent growth as one would expect with Irish (and so on) immigration, from the mid C19 I think. But, in any case, even if the RCs were not directly (or indirectly, via James VIII and his ilk) involved, the Piskies always added a further factor to the religiopolitical mix of Scotland in the C18 and C19 ...

Mr Llama, what was that Flanders and Swann song please?

Be fair, Carnyx, you can't expect us chaps down here in the deep South (sitting by the banks of the Arun on a summers afternoon and singing "ole Man Ribber", is something of a local pasttime) to keep up with the religious twists and turns of religious life in the Kingdom of Scotland.

I admit I forgot about the Papists, fair go. Does the church of Scotland have Bishops? Was there a war between England and Scotland over the Scots refusal to accept both the Book of Common Prayer and the authority of Bishops? Who knew that some other sect has popped up in the interim? One is tempted to say typical Scots, go to war over the issue of Bishops and then accept Bishops from Rome, or any other place as long as they are not connected with England. Scots people died so that they would't have to submit to the authority of Bishops.

The Flanders and Swan song can be found on this link, a song as the late Mr.Flanders notes calculated to offend just about everybody:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vh-wEXvdW8

Stuart_Dickson said:

HurstLlama said:

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Be fair, Carnyx, you can't expect us chaps down here in the deep South (sitting by the banks of the Arun on a summers afternoon and singing "ole Man Ribber", is something of a local pasttime) to keep up with the religious twists and turns of religious life in the Kingdom of Scotland.

I admit I forgot about the Papists, fair go. Does the church of Scotland have Bishops? Was there a war between England and Scotland over the Scots refusal to accept both the Book of Common Prayer and the authority of Bishops? Who knew that some other sect has popped up in the interim? One is tempted to say typical Scots, go to war over the issue of Bishops and then accept Bishops from Rome, or any other place as long as they are not connected with England. Scots people died so that they would't have to submit to the authority of Bishops.

The Flanders and Swan song can be found on this link, a song as the late Mr.Flanders notes calculated to offend just about everybody:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vh-wEXvdW8

- " Who knew that some other sect has popped up in the interim? "

The history of the Episcopal Church is complex, but it would be unfair to call it a "sect" which has "popped up" in the recent past. It could be argued that the Episcopalians are the true branch of the national church, whereas the Presbyterians were the wacky sect which took over their Kirk. (I say this as a Presbyterian.)

What is certainly new is referring to Scottish Episcopalians as "Anglicans" (sic). Alasdair mac Mhaighstir Alasdair must be spinning in his grave to see his beloved church labelled with such a thoroughly inappropriate term.

HurstLlama said:

Be fair, Carnyx, you can't expect us chaps down here in the deep South (sitting by the banks of the Arun on a summers afternoon and singing "ole Man Ribber", is something of a local pasttime) to keep up with the religious twists and turns of religious life in the Kingdom of Scotland.

I admit I forgot about the Papists, fair go. Does the church of Scotland have Bishops? Was there a war between England and Scotland over the Scots refusal to accept both the Book of Common Prayer and the authority of Bishops? Who knew that some other sect has popped up in the interim? One is tempted to say typical Scots, go to war over the issue of Bishops and then accept Bishops from Rome, or any other place as long as they are not connected with England. Scots people died so that they would't have to submit to the authority of Bishops.

The Flanders and Swan song can be found on this link, a song as the late Mr.Flanders notes calculated to offend just about everybody:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vh-wEXvdW8

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Thoughts, I'm a bit sleepy, but I don't remember writing something of that nature.

The problem with the monarch-controlled bishops arose because of the unicameral nature of the Scots Parliament. The clergy, which had been a critical group within the medieval legislature, were excluded from parliament after the Reformation. The king's aggressive re-introduction of the bishops effectively gave him a massive new block vote, much to the annoyance of the Royal Burghs (the burgh commissioners) and the minor nobility (the shire commissioners). The senior nobility were deeply split between their love of power in the bishop-free parliament and their loyalty to the monarch (which was severely tested in many other ways too).

Against this background the economy did very badly during the restoration of the bishops, and the political repression was quite horrific.