Obviously a matter of opinion. Are you Team Boris or Team Gideon? Though there there is a choice of Team Gove, Team May and Team Grayling. Also, why does no one ever mention anyone in Team Cameron? I'm with Team Boris....Go Bojo!
It's all been rather boring compared with the last parliament. Gordon Brown plotting to dislodge Blair, and eventually succeeding, only for his henchmen to fall into civil war over the Election That Never Was; David Miliband repeatedly running up behind Brown's back and then running away again when Brown turned round; James Purnell going Over The Top, and finding that all those who had been cheering him on were inexplicably reluctant to follow him; Harriet Harman routinely on manoeuvres (she was favourite to be next Labour leader at one time!!!); Charles Clarke being Charles Clarke; Jack Straw being Delphically disloyal; and, most hilarious of all, the Snow Plot:
Obviously a matter of opinion. Are you Team Boris or Team Gideon? Though there there is a choice of Team Gove, Team May and Team Grayling. Also, why does no one ever mention anyone in Team Cameron? I'm with Team Boris....Go Bojo!
Instead of obsessing about Conservative personalities (*), why not actually say something positive about the Labour Party and its policies? Or are you just another anti-Conservative person?
Awaits the silence ...
(*) Yes, I know I'm guilty of this at times as well.
Labour don't have any policies, it's a blank piece of paper.....don't you read posts on PB? Oh, and Ed's crap.
Depends on what day it is. Labour either have no policies at all, or a detailed manifesto of dangerously Marxist measures, that would trigger nationwide blackouts and bring about a new Cold War.
Take your pick.
Ed has no announced policies, but he has a Hammer-and-Sickle embossed secret notebook full off dangerous marxist ones. Sometimes he forgets the 'secret' bit and he spouts off about controlling the energy markets or some other nonsense. Try and keep up.
Not a fair match up @RichardN. Alexander is giving away about four inches and three stone to the Eurosceptic Balls, who strikes me as something of a bruiser.
True, but Scots are doughty little fighters.
if you had to draw up a book Richard how would you price the two belligerents?
Obviously a matter of opinion. Are you Team Boris or Team Gideon? Though there there is a choice of Team Gove, Team May and Team Grayling. Also, why does no one ever mention anyone in Team Cameron? I'm with Team Boris....Go Bojo!
Instead of obsessing about Conservative personalities (*), why not actually say something positive about the Labour Party and its policies? Or are you just another anti-Conservative person?
Awaits the silence ...
(*) Yes, I know I'm guilty of this at times as well.
Labour don't have any policies, it's a blank piece of paper.....don't you read posts on PB? Oh, and Ed's crap.
Depends on what day it is. Labour either have no policies at all, or a detailed manifesto of dangerously Marxist measures, that would trigger nationwide blackouts and bring about a new Cold War.
Take your pick.
Ed has no announced policies, but he has a Hammer-and-Sickle embossed secret notebook full off dangerous marxist ones. Sometimes he forgets the 'secret' bit and he spouts off about controlling the energy markets or some other nonsense. Try and keep up.
It's this type of entertainment that keeps drawing me back here.
OT: Is this really surprising ? The UKIP vote is basically the hard core Tory WWC vote plus some serious Euro-sceptics.
That is why it will not fall below 8% at the GE. I had previously guesstimated it would be 6% but now I have to revise that upwards. It is far more solid than hitherto I had thought it would be.
Obviously a matter of opinion. Are you Team Boris or Team Gideon? Though there there is a choice of Team Gove, Team May and Team Grayling. Also, why does no one ever mention anyone in Team Cameron? I'm with Team Boris....Go Bojo!
Instead of obsessing about Conservative personalities (*), why not actually say something positive about the Labour Party and its policies? Or are you just another anti-Conservative person?
Awaits the silence ...
(*) Yes, I know I'm guilty of this at times as well.
Labour don't have any policies, it's a blank piece of paper.....don't you read posts on PB? Oh, and Ed's crap.
Depends on what day it is. Labour either have no policies at all, or a detailed manifesto of dangerously Marxist measures, that would trigger nationwide blackouts and bring about a new Cold War.
Take your pick.
Very true.
Off the top of my head the only policies I can think of are:
Freeze energy prices, absolutely laughable, witness Ukraine
Raise the top rate to 50%, it will lose revenue for the Treasury but will please Owen Jones and his gang
Put an end to free coffee at worker owned Waitrose as it's unfair to tax dodging Starbucks
Keep Gove's school reforms as Tristam the fop likes them
Tax bankers bonuses 39 times to pay for everything
You will all be glad to know that Basil will be randomly* picking the Labour marginal seats out for each of the PB Hodges. In between now and election day I will be posting links and updates of the candidates personally for each PB Hodge, This will give us all, including the PB Hodges, at least some reason to be happy as the marginals fall to Labour on election night. Each Hodge will have their own special seat of interest to cheer on as you see the name with a red background and the words "Labour Gain" next to it running across the bottom of your tv screen. Knowing that some on here may be in a grumpy mood on election night I though we should all have at least something to cheer on the night that Ed is announced PM.
*The exception to this is Corby which has been selected for Tykejono mainly due to the fact of the threat to his Stuart McCall curtains and bedspread.
Obviously a matter of opinion. Are you Team Boris or Team Gideon? Though there there is a choice of Team Gove, Team May and Team Grayling. Also, why does no one ever mention anyone in Team Cameron? I'm with Team Boris....Go Bojo!
Instead of obsessing about Conservative personalities (*), why not actually say something positive about the Labour Party and its policies? Or are you just another anti-Conservative person?
Awaits the silence ...
(*) Yes, I know I'm guilty of this at times as well.
Labour don't have any policies, it's a blank piece of paper.....don't you read posts on PB? Oh, and Ed's crap.
Depends on what day it is. Labour either have no policies at all, or a detailed manifesto of dangerously Marxist measures, that would trigger nationwide blackouts and bring about a new Cold War.
Take your pick.
Why have detailed policies ? An "energy" policy [ i.e. price freeze ], keeping option open on HS2 would do.
Personally, I would go full speed on the 3rd runaway. It's for Labour to grab. Let the Tories and LD's fight over it. The jobs constituency will vote for Labour.
Obviously a matter of opinion. Are you Team Boris or Team Gideon? Though there there is a choice of Team Gove, Team May and Team Grayling. Also, why does no one ever mention anyone in Team Cameron? I'm with Team Boris....Go Bojo!
It's all been rather boring compared with the last parliament. Gordon Brown plotting to dislodge Blair, and eventually succeeding, only for his henchmen to fall into civil war over the Election That Never Was; David Miliband repeatedly running up behind Brown's back and then running away again when Brown turned round; James Purnell going Over The Top, and finding that all those who had been cheering him on were inexplicably reluctant to follow him; Harriet Harman routinely on manoeuvres (she was favourite to be next Labour leader at one time!!!); Charles Clarke being Charles Clarke; Jack Straw being Delphically disloyal; and, most hilarious of all, the Snow Plot:
Obviously a matter of opinion. Are you Team Boris or Team Gideon? Though there there is a choice of Team Gove, Team May and Team Grayling. Also, why does no one ever mention anyone in Team Cameron? I'm with Team Boris....Go Bojo!
It's all been rather boring compared with the last parliament. Gordon Brown plotting to dislodge Blair, and eventually succeeding, only for his henchmen to fall into civil war over the Election That Never Was; David Miliband repeatedly running up behind Brown's back and then running away again when Brown turned round; James Purnell going Over The Top, and finding that all those who had been cheering him on were inexplicably reluctant to follow him; Harriet Harman routinely on manoeuvres (she was favourite to be next Labour leader at one time!!!); Charles Clarke being Charles Clarke; Jack Straw being Delphically disloyal; and, most hilarious of all, the Snow Plot:
In comparison, Tory plots have been thin gruel indeed in this parliament.
Ha! Fair play, all our yesterdays!
What I can't fathom though is why it is called "the a Snow Plot" (which admittedly is a great name)
I assume the reason that no one is plotting against Cameron is they think the election is lost. Who wants to take over and take the rap for losing, so they are all taking on what they perceive to be their biggest enemy when they are run to replace Cameron. The reason that the attacks are coming out in a scattergun effect with multiple blue on blue is the fact that there are no clear favourites.
I thought "Women For Independence" was a pressure group within Ukip campaigning for the fairer sex to be unchained from their kitchen sinks ?!?
Sluts For Scotland has a ring to it.
That post just about sums up the decline and fall of antifrank. Five years ago he was one of the best and most respected posters around here. Now he is a little ball of bitterness and hatred. It is sad to see. I actually blame the PB milieu rather than the person. It is hard to remain a decent human being when you immerse yourself in a sea of turds with self-importance problems.
I thought "Women For Independence" was a pressure group within Ukip campaigning for the fairer sex to be unchained from their kitchen sinks ?!?
Sluts For Scotland has a ring to it.
That post just about sums up the decline and fall of antifrank. Five years ago he was one of the best and most respected posters around here. Now he is a little ball of bitterness and hatred. It is sad to see. I actually blame the PB milieu rather than the person. It is hard to remain a decent human being when you immerse yourself in a sea of turds with self-importance problems.
That post just about sums up the decline and fall of Stuart_Dickson.
I thought "Women For Independence" was a pressure group within Ukip campaigning for the fairer sex to be unchained from their kitchen sinks ?!?
Sluts For Scotland has a ring to it.
That post just about sums up the decline and fall of antifrank. Five years ago he was one of the best and most respected posters around here. Now he is a little ball of bitterness and hatred. It is sad to see. I actually blame the PB milieu rather than the person. It is hard to remain a decent human being when you immerse yourself in a sea of turds with self-importance problems.
That post just about sums up the decline and fall of Stuart_Dickson.
Interesting article in the Spectator from Patrick McLoughlin,one of the few Tories to come from a working class background and a pro-European,advising Tories not to direct their fire on Ukip but on Labour and the L/Ds,implying a centrist message not one formulated to ape Ukip. Bearing in mind he's not an old Etonian,chances are he won't be listened to,or have much of a future, but,if there were more like him, the Tory party would present a real threat.
Mr. Compouter2, shame on you, sir. I managed only a few seconds and decided the horrendous barrage assaulting my ears was enough.
If you're going to use a music video to make an unoriginal point, at least make it for a decent track. Deeper and Down by Status Quo would've been better.
Interesting article in the Spectator from Patrick McLoughlin,one of the few Tories to come from a working class background and a pro-European,advising Tories not to direct their fire on Ukip but on Labour and the L/Ds,implying a centrist message not one formulated to ape Ukip. Bearing in mind he's not an old Etonian,chances are he won't be listened to,or have much of a future, but,if there were more like him, the Tory party would present a real threat.
Mr. Pete, before the Battle of Red Cliffs a general was given the impossible task of procuring a vast number of arrows. He did so by mounting lots of hay on the sides of his ships and sailing close to the enormous enemy army, who obligingly fired thousands upon thousands of arrows at him, then sailed back to his own side.
As Doomsday proved, sometimes attacking someone can make them stronger.
I thought "Women For Independence" was a pressure group within Ukip campaigning for the fairer sex to be unchained from their kitchen sinks ?!?
Sluts For Scotland has a ring to it.
That post just about sums up the decline and fall of antifrank. Five years ago he was one of the best and most respected posters around here. Now he is a little ball of bitterness and hatred. It is sad to see. I actually blame the PB milieu rather than the person. It is hard to remain a decent human being when you immerse yourself in a sea of turds with self-importance problems.
You don't seem to have noticed that it was more of a joke about UKIP than about the SNP.
On topic: I know it's not this simple, but it's worth noting that if all those 2010 Con switchers returned from UKIP, then the Conservatives would currently be polling in the 37-39% range. In other words, more or less at parity with Labour. Perhaps even a small lead. If only a third return (my current rule of thumb, and also that of rcs1000, I think?) then they're probably already at a "real" 35%.
That's still not quite enough for Cameron, but it's not miles away either. The election is still 14 months away and there's still a lot to play for. A Labour majority looks very unlikely on these figures.
UKIP must be pleased to have candidates like cancer expert Professor Angus Dalgleish in Sutton & Cheam. Counteracts stereotypes about the sort of people they attract:
Mr. Compouter2, shame on you, sir. I managed only a few seconds and decided the horrendous barrage assaulting my ears was enough.
If you're going to use a music video to make an unoriginal point, at least make it for a decent track. Deeper and Down by Status Quo would've been better.
Ironically that was the alternative video I was thinking of but I didn't want to put everyone to sleep ;-)
On topic: I know it's not this simple, but it's worth noting that if all those 2010 Con switchers returned from UKIP, then the Conservatives would currently be polling in the 37-39% range. In other words, more or less at parity with Labour. Perhaps even a small lead. If only a third return (my current rule of thumb, and also that of rcs1000, I think?) then they're probably already at a "real" 35%.
That's still not quite enough for Cameron, but it's not miles away either. The election is still 14 months away and there's still a lot to play for. A Labour majority looks very unlikely on these figures.
"but it's worth noting that if all those 2010 Con switchers returned from UKIP, then the Conservatives would currently be polling in the 37-39% range"
UKIP must be pleased to have candidates like cancer expert Professor Angus Dalgleish in Sutton & Cheam. Counteracts stereotypes about the sort of people they attract:
The problem remains that for everyone of him, there are a dozen others happy to laugh along with the controversial comedian at the Spring conference Gala Dinner.
UKIP must be pleased to have candidates like cancer expert Professor Angus Dalgleish in Sutton & Cheam. Counteracts stereotypes about the sort of people they attract:
You really should have been an Archbishop Jack, probably more Wishart than Sharp.
Hang on, you Scots don't have bishops! Not only did we go to war over the point once but it also featured in a Flanders and Swan song.
We do indeed have Bishops. The Jacobites were almost exclusively either Episcopalian or Roman Catholic. We have 6 Episcopalian Bishops in Scotland, one of whom acts as Primus since for some reason they wont appoint an Archbishop. We have 2 Roman Catholic Archbishops, Glasgow and Edinburgh and St Andrews. The elevation to the red cap of Cardinal traditionally flips back and forward between the two so with the now disgraced Cardinal O'Brien of Edinburgh and St Andrews having stepped aside, the Archbishop of Glasgow would expect to be the next Scottish Cardinal. We also have loads of RC Bishops given the huge proportion of Central Scotland population of Irish Catholic extraction.
I was surprised by Mr Llama's assertion at the lack of bishops up here, given that the good and now retired Bishop Holloway of Edinburgh always used to get quoted on the media on the burning issues of the day. I always suspected that this was due to his media-friendly ability but also the fact that journos could never remember who was Moderator of the [Presbyterian] Kirk of Scotland that year ...
The importance of the home-grown RC hierarchy (outside such places as Uist and Barra) is of relatively recent growth as one would expect with Irish (and so on) immigration, from the mid C19 I think. But, in any case, even if the RCs were not directly (or indirectly, via James VIII and his ilk) involved, the Piskies always added a further factor to the religiopolitical mix of Scotland in the C18 and C19 ...
Mr Llama, what was that Flanders and Swann song please?
I thought "Women For Independence" was a pressure group within Ukip campaigning for the fairer sex to be unchained from their kitchen sinks ?!?
Sluts For Scotland has a ring to it.
That post just about sums up the decline and fall of antifrank. Five years ago he was one of the best and most respected posters around here. Now he is a little ball of bitterness and hatred. It is sad to see. I actually blame the PB milieu rather than the person. It is hard to remain a decent human being when you immerse yourself in a sea of turds with self-importance problems.
You don't seem to have noticed that it was more of a joke about UKIP than about the SNP.
Just to repeat - the independence movement is not the SNP. And, although Mr W's joke was an apt one in its context, the second joke was both yours and very definitely about Scotland, and moreover very easily misunderstood by those not familiar with the original UKIP context (if I am right in believing it was to do with people who don't clean behind their fridges, and even then I had to think back to that and recall the expression 'slut's wool'). I'd suggest that you can hardly complain if people take offence at such a joke.
@surbiton - take an average Tory poll of 32-34% at the moment. Take 45% of the UKIP score of 10-12%. Subtract from UKIP score and add to Tory score. You get about 37-39%, though it's not an exact science and would clearly never quite work out like that. For example, it ignores the lab and lib dem switchers returning as well.
Still, it makes the point that there are quite a few potential Tory voters out there in play for next year.
@nigel4england - you forgot the best one, disallowing foreigners from looking at RightMove
Now now that's not fair - Ed's policy was that you couldn't advertise your home to a despicable foreigner until the great British homebuyer had had a chance to buy your home.
There was no flaws in the idea whatsoever - the fairness was hardwired in...
@surbiton - take an average Tory poll of 32-34% at the moment. Take 45% of the UKIP score of 10-12%. Subtract from UKIP score and add to Tory score. You get about 37-39%, though it's not an exact science and would clearly never quite work out like that. For example, it ignores the lab and lib dem switchers returning as well.
Still, it makes the point that there are quite a few potential Tory voters out there in play for next year.
I think we can over-segment the figures. The fact is, to stay in government, the Tories need to win over around three or four voters in a hundred (net), compared with now. To get a majority, maybe seven or eight voters in a hundred, depending on what happens to Labour support. Those switchers can come from multiple places; some UKIPers returning, some LibDems, some Labour, some from Don't Know/Would Not Vote. At the same time, as this is a zero-sum game, some of the same effect could potentially come from Labour support not materialising.
A hard task for the Tories? Sure. Impossible? No, of course not - shifts of that magnitude are very common over periods of 14 months.
More Blue on Blue(this time from outside the party):
Institute of Directors press release
Commenting on the James Brokenshire’s speech on immigration this morning, Simon Walker, Director General of the Institute of Directors, said:
“It is feeble and pathetic to hear yet more divisive language from politicians on immigration. The UK is an open, trading country that benefits from the skills and ideas of migrants. We will not become more prosperous by closing our borders to talented individuals and entrepreneurs from across the world. This speech seems to be more about political positioning and less about what is good for the country."
Unrestrained immigration serves two self-interested groups: Businesses to get cheaper labour. Labour Party to import more voters. As Marx(? ask millibean) said, give capitalists enough rope and they will hang themselves. As I say, give Labour enough rope and they will screw us all.
As study after study has shown (although I appreciate this doesn't hold a candle to the bloke down your local pub), immigration unambiguously benefits the host nation for many reasons none of which I have time to go into here.
According to the House of Lords, there is no economic benefit for the resident population.
If the Scottish independence debate were actually led by anyone other than the SNP, and their legions of online hyper-sensitive supporters, they might actually win it.
At the moment, it's a bit like Katie Hopkins being made Conservative party chairman, or George Galloway as Shadow Chancellor.
@surbiton - take an average Tory poll of 32-34% at the moment. Take 45% of the UKIP score of 10-12%. Subtract from UKIP score and add to Tory score. You get about 37-39%, though it's not an exact science and would clearly never quite work out like that. For example, it ignores the lab and lib dem switchers returning as well.
Still, it makes the point that there are quite a few potential Tory voters out there in play for next year.
I think we can over-segment the figures. The fact is, to stay in government, the Tories need to win over around three or four voters in a hundred (net), compared with now. To get a majority, maybe seven or eight voters in a hundred, depending on what happens to Labour support. Those switchers can come from multiple places; some UKIPers returning, some LibDems, some Labour, some from Don't Know/Would Not Vote. At the same time, as this is a zero-sum game, some of the same effect could potentially come from Labour support not materialising.
A hard task for the Tories? Sure. Impossible? No, of course not - shifts of that magnitude are very common over periods of 14 months.
Richard - I think the Tories need to hit 37%+ to stay in government. Normally, that wouldn't be enough with a Labour recovery, but with differential turnout and 1st time incumbency, that should be enough to stay ahead on seats enough to form a 2nd coalition. Realistically, I think that's the best the Tories can expect.
I agree you can over segment the figures and - for clarity, that's not what I think will happen - the point I was trying to make is that the pool of potential Tory support out there is perhaps bigger than it might seem at the moment.
It's up to Cameron/Osborne/Crosby to convince them - and me.
Interesting article in the Spectator from Patrick McLoughlin,one of the few Tories to come from a working class background and a pro-European,advising Tories not to direct their fire on Ukip but on Labour and the L/Ds,implying a centrist message not one formulated to ape Ukip. Bearing in mind he's not an old Etonian,chances are he won't be listened to,or have much of a future, but,if there were more like him, the Tory party would present a real threat.
Mr McLoughlin says: "I’m not going to aim myself at 10 per cent or 12 per cent, I’m going to aim myself at the 60 per cent who don’t vote Conservative.’"
The people the Conservatives need to be aiming at are the swing voters. UKIP's current support is mostly made up of those people. Labour's support has some of those people.
Out tonight so will mention there are 2 important Lab/Con contests in today's council by elections . Bury MDC Ramsbottom , normally a safe Cconservative ward bur won by Labour on the toss of a coin after a dead heat in 2011 and by Labour narrowly in 2012 . The Labour councillor elected in 2011 has resigned . Nottingham UA Clifton again normally a safe Conservative ward but Labour won 1 of the 3 seats in 2011 . This councillor has been disqualified for non attendance . The Conservatives will be doing badly if they do not win at least the Nottingham seat back although Labour have a formidable campaigning machine in Nottingham .
I was surprised by Mr Llama's assertion at the lack of bishops up here, given that the good and now retired Bishop Holloway of Edinburgh always used to get quoted on the media on the burning issues of the day. I always suspected that this was due to his media-friendly ability but also the fact that journos could never remember who was Moderator of the [Presbyterian] Kirk of Scotland that year ...
The importance of the home-grown RC hierarchy (outside such places as Uist and Barra) is of relatively recent growth as one would expect with Irish (and so on) immigration, from the mid C19 I think. But, in any case, even if the RCs were not directly (or indirectly, via James VIII and his ilk) involved, the Piskies always added a further factor to the religiopolitical mix of Scotland in the C18 and C19 ...
Mr Llama, what was that Flanders and Swann song please?
Be fair, Carnyx, you can't expect us chaps down here in the deep South (sitting by the banks of the Arun on a summers afternoon and singing "ole Man Ribber", is something of a local pasttime) to keep up with the religious twists and turns of religious life in the Kingdom of Scotland.
I admit I forgot about the Papists, fair go. Does the church of Scotland have Bishops? Was there a war between England and Scotland over the Scots refusal to accept both the Book of Common Prayer and the authority of Bishops? Who knew that some other sect has popped up in the interim? One is tempted to say typical Scots, go to war over the issue of Bishops and then accept Bishops from Rome, or any other place as long as they are not connected with England. Scots people died so that they would't have to submit to the authority of Bishops.
The Flanders and Swan song can be found on this link, a song as the late Mr.Flanders notes calculated to offend just about everybody:
Out tonight so will mention there are 2 important Lab/Con contests in today's council by elections . Bury MDC Ramsbottom , normally a safe Cconservative ward bur won by Labour on the toss of a coin after a dead heat in 2011 and by Labour narrowly in 2012 . The Labour councillor elected in 2011 has resigned . Nottingham UA Clifton again normally a safe Conservative ward but Labour won 1 of the 3 seats in 2011 . This councillor has been disqualified for non attendance . The Conservatives will be doing badly if they do not win at least the Nottingham seat back although Labour have a formidable campaigning machine in Nottingham .
Mark, not trying to be pedantic, however, Ramsbottom was won by the pulling of straws, not toss of a coin after five recounts I believe.
Out tonight so will mention there are 2 important Lab/Con contests in today's council by elections . Bury MDC Ramsbottom , normally a safe Cconservative ward bur won by Labour on the toss of a coin after a dead heat in 2011 and by Labour narrowly in 2012 . The Labour councillor elected in 2011 has resigned . Nottingham UA Clifton again normally a safe Conservative ward but Labour won 1 of the 3 seats in 2011 . This councillor has been disqualified for non attendance . The Conservatives will be doing badly if they do not win at least the Nottingham seat back although Labour have a formidable campaigning machine in Nottingham .
Mark, not trying to be pedantic, however, Ramsbottom was won by the pulling of straws, not toss of a coin after five recounts I believe.
Yes they drew straws though there were only 3 recounts .
Out tonight so will mention there are 2 important Lab/Con contests in today's council by elections . Bury MDC Ramsbottom , normally a safe Cconservative ward bur won by Labour on the toss of a coin after a dead heat in 2011 and by Labour narrowly in 2012 . The Labour councillor elected in 2011 has resigned . Nottingham UA Clifton again normally a safe Conservative ward but Labour won 1 of the 3 seats in 2011 . This councillor has been disqualified for non attendance . The Conservatives will be doing badly if they do not win at least the Nottingham seat back although Labour have a formidable campaigning machine in Nottingham .
Mark, not trying to be pedantic, however, Ramsbottom was won by the pulling of straws, not toss of a coin after five recounts I believe.
They should decide dead heat by-elections by an anonymous competition on pb to see who can get banned first, or who can get SeanT to blow a gasket first.
This would be a clear test of skill, as well as adding additional betting opportunities for the rest of us.
More Blue on Blue(this time from outside the party):
Institute of Directors press release
Commenting on the James Brokenshire’s speech on immigration this morning, Simon Walker, Director General of the Institute of Directors, said:
“It is feeble and pathetic to hear yet more divisive language from politicians on immigration. The UK is an open, trading country that benefits from the skills and ideas of migrants. We will not become more prosperous by closing our borders to talented individuals and entrepreneurs from across the world. This speech seems to be more about political positioning and less about what is good for the country."
Walker is right. Those who seek to close down immigration need to be upfront about the fact that they will make us all poorer.
Do you people ever think about the Quality of life for people who have to live in area's where poor,unskilled immigration have moved in mass,with services being cut.
I'll tell you what pal,people like you have made my Quality of life alot poorer.
Out tonight so will mention there are 2 important Lab/Con contests in today's council by elections . Bury MDC Ramsbottom , normally a safe Cconservative ward bur won by Labour on the toss of a coin after a dead heat in 2011 and by Labour narrowly in 2012 . The Labour councillor elected in 2011 has resigned . Nottingham UA Clifton again normally a safe Conservative ward but Labour won 1 of the 3 seats in 2011 . This councillor has been disqualified for non attendance . The Conservatives will be doing badly if they do not win at least the Nottingham seat back although Labour have a formidable campaigning machine in Nottingham .
Mark, not trying to be pedantic, however, Ramsbottom was won by the pulling of straws, not toss of a coin after five recounts I believe.
Yes they drew straws though there were only 3 recounts .
This time I am going to be pedantic, it was actually cable ties (apologies). The Tory candidate won the right to chose first, chose the tie on the right......Tories and veering right always ends in defeat ;-)
I was surprised by Mr Llama's assertion at the lack of bishops up here, given that the good and now retired Bishop Holloway of Edinburgh always used to get quoted on the media on the burning issues of the day. I always suspected that this was due to his media-friendly ability but also the fact that journos could never remember who was Moderator of the [Presbyterian] Kirk of Scotland that year ...
The importance of the home-grown RC hierarchy (outside such places as Uist and Barra) is of relatively recent growth as one would expect with Irish (and so on) immigration, from the mid C19 I think. But, in any case, even if the RCs were not directly (or indirectly, via James VIII and his ilk) involved, the Piskies always added a further factor to the religiopolitical mix of Scotland in the C18 and C19 ...
Mr Llama, what was that Flanders and Swann song please?
Be fair, Carnyx, you can't expect us chaps down here in the deep South (sitting by the banks of the Arun on a summers afternoon and singing "ole Man Ribber", is something of a local pasttime) to keep up with the religious twists and turns of religious life in the Kingdom of Scotland.
I admit I forgot about the Papists, fair go. Does the church of Scotland have Bishops? Was there a war between England and Scotland over the Scots refusal to accept both the Book of Common Prayer and the authority of Bishops? Who knew that some other sect has popped up in the interim? One is tempted to say typical Scots, go to war over the issue of Bishops and then accept Bishops from Rome, or any other place as long as they are not connected with England. Scots people died so that they would't have to submit to the authority of Bishops.
The Flanders and Swan song can be found on this link, a song as the late Mr.Flanders notes calculated to offend just about everybody:
- " Who knew that some other sect has popped up in the interim? "
The history of the Episcopal Church is complex, but it would be unfair to call it a "sect" which has "popped up" in the recent past. It could be argued that the Episcopalians are the true branch of the national church, whereas the Presbyterians were the wacky sect which took over their Kirk. (I say this as a Presbyterian.)
What is certainly new is referring to Scottish Episcopalians as "Anglicans" (sic). Alasdair mac Mhaighstir Alasdair must be spinning in his grave to see his beloved church labelled with such a thoroughly inappropriate term.
Out tonight so will mention there are 2 important Lab/Con contests in today's council by elections . Bury MDC Ramsbottom , normally a safe Cconservative ward bur won by Labour on the toss of a coin after a dead heat in 2011 and by Labour narrowly in 2012 . The Labour councillor elected in 2011 has resigned . Nottingham UA Clifton again normally a safe Conservative ward but Labour won 1 of the 3 seats in 2011 . This councillor has been disqualified for non attendance . The Conservatives will be doing badly if they do not win at least the Nottingham seat back although Labour have a formidable campaigning machine in Nottingham .
Mark, not trying to be pedantic, however, Ramsbottom was won by the pulling of straws, not toss of a coin after five recounts I believe.
They should decide dead heat by-elections by an anonymous competition on pb to see who can get banned first, or who can get SeanT to blow a gasket first.
This would be a clear test of skill, as well as adding additional betting opportunities for the rest of us.
An inspired choice of username might get you a hole in one.
Out tonight so will mention there are 2 important Lab/Con contests in today's council by elections . Bury MDC Ramsbottom , normally a safe Cconservative ward bur won by Labour on the toss of a coin after a dead heat in 2011 and by Labour narrowly in 2012 . The Labour councillor elected in 2011 has resigned . Nottingham UA Clifton again normally a safe Conservative ward but Labour won 1 of the 3 seats in 2011 . This councillor has been disqualified for non attendance . The Conservatives will be doing badly if they do not win at least the Nottingham seat back although Labour have a formidable campaigning machine in Nottingham .
Bit of background, the cable tie winning candidate resigned to spend more time with her hubby.....in Dubai. Managed to do a bit of campaigning there today as I have been working in the area recently. Very positive returns for the Labour candidate, however, the Tories have people on the ground also. Very close, possibly Labour...just, again.
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I was surprised by Mr Llama's assertion at the lack of bishops up here, given that the good and now retired Bishop Holloway of Edinburgh always used to get quoted on the media on the burning issues of the day. I always suspected that this was due to his media-friendly ability but also the fact that journos could never remember who was Moderator of the [Presbyterian] Kirk of Scotland that year ...
The importance of the home-grown RC hierarchy (outside such places as Uist and Barra) is of relatively recent growth as one would expect with Irish (and so on) immigration, from the mid C19 I think. But, in any case, even if the RCs were not directly (or indirectly, via James VIII and his ilk) involved, the Piskies always added a further factor to the religiopolitical mix of Scotland in the C18 and C19 ...
Mr Llama, what was that Flanders and Swann song please?
Be fair, Carnyx, you can't expect us chaps down here in the deep South (sitting by the banks of the Arun on a summers afternoon and singing "ole Man Ribber", is something of a local pasttime) to keep up with the religious twists and turns of religious life in the Kingdom of Scotland.
I admit I forgot about the Papists, fair go. Does the church of Scotland have Bishops? Was there a war between England and Scotland over the Scots refusal to accept both the Book of Common Prayer and the authority of Bishops? Who knew that some other sect has popped up in the interim? One is tempted to say typical Scots, go to war over the issue of Bishops and then accept Bishops from Rome, or any other place as long as they are not connected with England. Scots people died so that they would't have to submit to the authority of Bishops.
The Flanders and Swan song can be found on this link, a song as the late Mr.Flanders notes calculated to offend just about everybody:
Many thanks - we are mutually educated now to mutual (I hope) benefit!
To be ever so slightly pedantic, it was not so much the bishops but the king trying to control the kirk through the episcopal hierarchy that was the problem in the case of Charles I and II - and they were certainly there as Kings of Scotland rather than of the UK. So a complex religio-political mix.
The English bit wasn't English per se, I suppose, so much as Henry VIII's settlement giving James VI and Charles I ideas down in Whitehall palace and Laud trying to apply a similar system in Scotland ...
- " Who knew that some other sect has popped up in the interim? "
The history of the Episcopal Church is complex, but it would be unfair to call it a "sect" which has "popped up" in the recent past. It could be argued that the Episcopalians are the true branch of the national church, whereas the Presbyterians were the wacky sect which took over their Kirk. (I say this as a Presbyterian.)
What is certainly new is referring to Scottish Episcopalians as "Anglicans" (sic). Alasdair mac Mhaighstir Alasdair must be spinning in his grave to see his beloved church labelled with such a thoroughly inappropriate term.
Gosh, Mr Dickson, I am grateful for the history lesson and I must be careful not to get dragged out of my depth here. However, I have to ask if the Epsicopalians are the true inheritors of the 17th century Scottish Church that refused to accept either the BCP or the authority of Bishops one has to ask what the fuss was about back then and maybe Charles I had a point after all.
Be fair, Carnyx, you can't expect us chaps down here in the deep South (sitting by the banks of the Arun on a summers afternoon and singing "ole Man Ribber", is something of a local pasttime) to keep up with the religious twists and turns of religious life in the Kingdom of Scotland.
I admit I forgot about the Papists, fair go. Does the church of Scotland have Bishops? Was there a war between England and Scotland over the Scots refusal to accept both the Book of Common Prayer and the authority of Bishops? Who knew that some other sect has popped up in the interim? One is tempted to say typical Scots, go to war over the issue of Bishops and then accept Bishops from Rome, or any other place as long as they are not connected with England. Scots people died so that they would't have to submit to the authority of Bishops.
The Flanders and Swan song can be found on this link, a song as the late Mr.Flanders notes calculated to offend just about everybody:
- " Who knew that some other sect has popped up in the interim? "
The history of the Episcopal Church is complex, but it would be unfair to call it a "sect" which has "popped up" in the recent past. It could be argued that the Episcopalians are the true branch of the national church, whereas the Presbyterians were the wacky sect which took over their Kirk. (I say this as a Presbyterian.)
What is certainly new is referring to Scottish Episcopalians as "Anglicans" (sic). Alasdair mac Mhaighstir Alasdair must be spinning in his grave to see his beloved church labelled with such a thoroughly inappropriate term.
To be pedantic there is now no national kirk after disestablishment, but then the Kirk of Scotland never had any Moderators of Presbyteries or Assemblies in the post-1707 House of Lords anyway IIRC (and I don't think the [edited: Scottish] Pisky Bishops did either, never mind the RC Bishops).
The SEC does say it is 'part of the Anglican communion' and more recently in some towns it was English incomers who were a key element in setting up the local Episcopalian congregations in parallel to the RCs. I have read of one wee burgh where in living memory their Episcopalian Church was called the English Church (and the associated kirk school the English School). But it was originally most certainly home grown as you say, especially in the Doric country of the north east - I quite see your point!
The importance of the home-grown RC hierarchy (outside such places as Uist and Barra) is of relatively recent growth as one would expect with Irish (and so on) immigration, from the mid C19 I think. But, in any case, even if the RCs were not directly (or indirectly, via James VIII and his ilk) involved, the Piskies always added a further factor to the religiopolitical mix of Scotland in the C18 and C19 ... SNIP
Be fair, Carnyx, you can't expect us chaps down here in the deep South (sitting by the banks of the Arun on a summers afternoon and singing "ole Man Ribber", is something of a local pasttime) to keep up with the religious twists and turns of religious life in the Kingdom of Scotland.
I admit I forgot about the Papists, fair go. Does the church of Scotland have Bishops? Was there a war between England and Scotland over the Scots refusal to accept both the Book of Common Prayer and the authority of Bishops? Who knew that some other sect has popped up in the interim? One is tempted to say typical Scots, go to war over the issue of Bishops and then accept Bishops from Rome, or any other place as long as they are not connected with England. Scots people died so that they would't have to submit to the authority of Bishops.
SNIP
To be ever so slightly pedantic, it was not so much the bishops but the king trying to control the kirk through the episcopal hierarchy that was the problem in the case of Charles I and II - and they were certainly there as Kings of Scotland rather than of the UK. So a complex religio-political mix.
The English bit wasn't English per se, I suppose, so much as Henry VIII's settlement giving James VI and Charles I ideas down in Whitehall palace and Laud trying to apply a similar system in Scotland
The problem with the monarch-controlled bishops arose because of the unicameral nature of the Scots Parliament. The clergy, which had been a critical group within the medieval legislature, were excluded from parliament after the Reformation. The king's aggressive re-introduction of the bishops effectively gave him a massive new block vote, much to the annoyance of the Royal Burghs (the burgh commissioners) and the minor nobility (the shire commissioners). The senior nobility were deeply split between their love of power in the bishop-free parliament and their loyalty to the monarch (which was severely tested in many other ways too).
Against this background the economy did very badly during the restoration of the bishops, and the political repression was quite horrific.
More Blue on Blue(this time from outside the party):
Institute of Directors press release
Commenting on the James Brokenshire’s speech on immigration this morning, Simon Walker, Director General of the Institute of Directors, said:
“It is feeble and pathetic to hear yet more divisive language from politicians on immigration. The UK is an open, trading country that benefits from the skills and ideas of migrants. We will not become more prosperous by closing our borders to talented individuals and entrepreneurs from across the world. This speech seems to be more about political positioning and less about what is good for the country."
Walker is right. Those who seek to close down immigration need to be upfront about the fact that they will make us all poorer.
Do you people ever think about the Quality of life for people who have to live in area's where poor,unskilled immigration have moved in mass,with services being cut.
I'll tell you what pal,people like you have made my Quality of life alot poorer.
What really gets me about Lefties like BobaFett is that they just don't think. Immigration has forced down the wages of the average working man, the very people Labour supposedly represent. Don't take my word for it, read what Bob Crow has to say about it.
Labour, helping big business get richer while impoverishing the working man.
- " Who knew that some other sect has popped up in the interim? "
The history of the Episcopal Church is complex, but it would be unfair to call it a "sect" which has "popped up" in the recent past. It could be argued that the Episcopalians are the true branch of the national church, whereas the Presbyterians were the wacky sect which took over their Kirk. (I say this as a Presbyterian.)
What is certainly new is referring to Scottish Episcopalians as "Anglicans" (sic). Alasdair mac Mhaighstir Alasdair must be spinning in his grave to see his beloved church labelled with such a thoroughly inappropriate term.
Gosh, Mr Dickson, I am grateful for the history lesson and I must be careful not to get dragged out of my depth here. However, I have to ask if the Epsicopalians are the true inheritors of the 17th century Scottish Church that refused to accept either the BCP or the authority of Bishops one has to ask what the fuss was about back then and maybe Charles I had a point after all.
The "fuss" (read: bloody political strife and economic depression) was over political power in the unicameral Three Estates (which by this period was actually Four or Five Estates). The Christian disagreements were minor compared to the political struggle.
"... Laud trying to apply a similar system in Scotland ..."
Sorry Carnyx but you have mentioned the man Laud. I am now going to go into a reset loop while I struggle to work out whether he was a gifted theologian and a hero martyred for his beliefs at the advanced age of 71 or whether he was another power-mad, old left over who got what was coming to him.
Be fair, Carnyx, you can't expect us chaps down here in the deep South (sitting by the banks of the Arun on a summers afternoon and singing "ole Man Ribber", is something of a local pasttime) to keep up with the religious twists and turns of religious life in the Kingdom of Scotland.
I admit I forgot about the Papists, fair go. Does the church of Scotland have Bishops? Was there a war between England and Scotland over the Scots refusal to accept both the Book of Common Prayer and the authority of Bishops? Who knew that some other sect has popped up in the interim? One is tempted to say typical Scots, go to war over the issue of Bishops and then accept Bishops from Rome, or any other place as long as they are not connected with England. Scots people died so that they would't have to submit to the authority of Bishops.
The Flanders and Swan song can be found on this link, a song as the late Mr.Flanders notes calculated to offend just about everybody:
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LOL, add in Bitter Together and senile Generals sending begging letters, BT must really be doing well.
The Autonomous Republic of Crimea will join the rouble zone if admitted to Russia, the peninsula’s First Deputy Prime Minister Rustam Temirgaliyev told a news conference on Thursday, March 6.
“As a part of Russia we will be in the Russian economic environment and therefore in the ruble zone"
The problem with the monarch-controlled bishops arose because of the unicameral nature of the Scots Parliament. The clergy, which had been a critical group within the medieval legislature, were excluded from parliament after the Reformation. The king's aggressive re-introduction of the bishops effectively gave him a massive new block vote, much to the annoyance of the Royal Burghs (the burgh commissioners) and the minor nobility (the shire commissioners). The senior nobility were deeply split between their love of power in the bishop-free parliament and their loyalty to the monarch (which was severely tested in many other ways too).
Against this background the economy did very badly during the restoration of the bishops, and the political repression was quite horrific.
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More Blue on Blue(this time from outside the party):
Institute of Directors press release
Commenting on the James Brokenshire’s speech on immigration this morning, Simon Walker, Director General of the Institute of Directors, said:
“It is feeble and pathetic to hear yet more divisive language from politicians on immigration. The UK is an open, trading country that benefits from the skills and ideas of migrants. We will not become more prosperous by closing our borders to talented individuals and entrepreneurs from across the world. This speech seems to be more about political positioning and less about what is good for the country."
Walker is right. Those who seek to close down immigration need to be upfront about the fact that they will make us all poorer.
Do you people ever think about the Quality of life for people who have to live in area's where poor,unskilled immigration have moved in mass,with services being cut.
I'll tell you what pal,people like you have made my Quality of life alot poorer.
Fair enough @Tyke. My comment was too universal perhaps - recognise not everywhere is like London.
More Blue on Blue(this time from outside the party):
Institute of Directors press release
Commenting on the James Brokenshire’s speech on immigration this morning, Simon Walker, Director General of the Institute of Directors, said:
“It is feeble and pathetic to hear yet more divisive language from politicians on immigration. The UK is an open, trading country that benefits from the skills and ideas of migrants. We will not become more prosperous by closing our borders to talented individuals and entrepreneurs from across the world. This speech seems to be more about political positioning and less about what is good for the country."
Walker is right. Those who seek to close down immigration need to be upfront about the fact that they will make us all poorer.
Do you people ever think about the Quality of life for people who have to live in area's where poor,unskilled immigration have moved in mass,with services being cut.
I'll tell you what pal,people like you have made my Quality of life alot poorer.
What really gets me about Lefties like BobaFett is that they just don't think. Immigration has forced down the wages of the average working man, the very people Labour supposedly represent. Don't take my word for it, read what Bob Crow has to say about it.
Labour, helping big business get richer while impoverishing the working man.
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Seems a lot of money for a glorified caravan imho.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26472037
RIP.
That is why it will not fall below 8% at the GE. I had previously guesstimated it would be 6% but now I have to revise that upwards. It is far more solid than hitherto I had thought it would be.
Freeze energy prices, absolutely laughable, witness Ukraine
Raise the top rate to 50%, it will lose revenue for the Treasury but will please Owen Jones and his gang
Put an end to free coffee at worker owned Waitrose as it's unfair to tax dodging Starbucks
Keep Gove's school reforms as Tristam the fop likes them
Tax bankers bonuses 39 times to pay for everything
*The exception to this is Corby which has been selected for Tykejono mainly due to the fact of the threat to his Stuart McCall curtains and bedspread.
Personally, I would go full speed on the 3rd runaway. It's for Labour to grab. Let the Tories and LD's fight over it. The jobs constituency will vote for Labour.
What I can't fathom though is why it is called "the a Snow Plot" (which admittedly is a great name)
Paddy Power shorten their Yes price from 3/1 to 11/4. But best prices remain:
Yes 4/1 (Betfair)
No 1/4 (William Hill)
One wonders why on earth anyone is placing stakes large enough to move the PP price when there is a whopping 4/1 available over at Betfair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHUbLv4ThOo
Bearing in mind he's not an old Etonian,chances are he won't be listened to,or have much of a future, but,if there were more like him, the Tory party would present a real threat.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9152091/paddy-power/
Mr. Compouter2, shame on you, sir. I managed only a few seconds and decided the horrendous barrage assaulting my ears was enough.
If you're going to use a music video to make an unoriginal point, at least make it for a decent track. Deeper and Down by Status Quo would've been better.
As Doomsday proved, sometimes attacking someone can make them stronger.
That's still not quite enough for Cameron, but it's not miles away either. The election is still 14 months away and there's still a lot to play for. A Labour majority looks very unlikely on these figures.
http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/11052064.Cancer_expert_to_stand_as_UKIP_MP_candidate_in_Sutton_and_Cheam/
It's rather a good one, actually, neatly combining the two concepts. Maybe 'Sluts Over Scotland' would have been even better?
What are you smoking ?
The importance of the home-grown RC hierarchy (outside such places as Uist and Barra) is of relatively recent growth as one would expect with Irish (and so on) immigration, from the mid C19 I think. But, in any case, even if the RCs were not directly (or indirectly, via James VIII and his ilk) involved, the Piskies always added a further factor to the religiopolitical mix of Scotland in the C18 and C19 ...
Mr Llama, what was that Flanders and Swann song please?
I wouldn't call it a narrative which is developing so much as a desperate hope that Labour will begin to be hurt as bad as the Tories in the end.
Still, it makes the point that there are quite a few potential Tory voters out there in play for next year.
There was no flaws in the idea whatsoever - the fairness was hardwired in...
A hard task for the Tories? Sure. Impossible? No, of course not - shifts of that magnitude are very common over periods of 14 months.
http://www.migrationwatchuk.co.uk/briefingPaper/document/269#jump2
When interviewed on Daily Politics, former Home Secretary John Reid said that Labour's Open Door immigration policy had been intended to lower wages.
http://youtu.be/EFp3S_5ZkOI
At the moment, it's a bit like Katie Hopkins being made Conservative party chairman, or George Galloway as Shadow Chancellor.
I agree you can over segment the figures and - for clarity, that's not what I think will happen - the point I was trying to make is that the pool of potential Tory support out there is perhaps bigger than it might seem at the moment.
It's up to Cameron/Osborne/Crosby to convince them - and me.
Mr McLoughlin says:
"I’m not going to aim myself at 10 per cent or 12 per cent, I’m going to aim myself at the 60 per cent who don’t vote Conservative.’"
The people the Conservatives need to be aiming at are the swing voters. UKIP's current support is mostly made up of those people. Labour's support has some of those people.
Bury MDC Ramsbottom , normally a safe Cconservative ward bur won by Labour on the toss of a coin after a dead heat in 2011 and by Labour narrowly in 2012 . The Labour councillor elected in 2011 has resigned .
Nottingham UA Clifton again normally a safe Conservative ward but Labour won 1 of the 3 seats in 2011 . This councillor has been disqualified for non attendance .
The Conservatives will be doing badly if they do not win at least the Nottingham seat back although Labour have a formidable campaigning machine in Nottingham .
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I admit I forgot about the Papists, fair go. Does the church of Scotland have Bishops? Was there a war between England and Scotland over the Scots refusal to accept both the Book of Common Prayer and the authority of Bishops? Who knew that some other sect has popped up in the interim? One is tempted to say typical Scots, go to war over the issue of Bishops and then accept Bishops from Rome, or any other place as long as they are not connected with England. Scots people died so that they would't have to submit to the authority of Bishops.
The Flanders and Swan song can be found on this link, a song as the late Mr.Flanders notes calculated to offend just about everybody:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vh-wEXvdW8
Theresa May tells MPs Lawrence police corruption report is "deeply troubling", and was 'unable to reject' claims of smears
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This would be a clear test of skill, as well as adding additional betting opportunities for the rest of us.
I'll tell you what pal,people like you have made my Quality of life alot poorer.
The history of the Episcopal Church is complex, but it would be unfair to call it a "sect" which has "popped up" in the recent past. It could be argued that the Episcopalians are the true branch of the national church, whereas the Presbyterians were the wacky sect which took over their Kirk. (I say this as a Presbyterian.)
What is certainly new is referring to Scottish Episcopalians as "Anglicans" (sic). Alasdair mac Mhaighstir Alasdair must be spinning in his grave to see his beloved church labelled with such a thoroughly inappropriate term.
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To be ever so slightly pedantic, it was not so much the bishops but the king trying to control the kirk through the episcopal hierarchy that was the problem in the case of Charles I and II - and they were certainly there as Kings of Scotland rather than of the UK. So a complex religio-political mix.
The English bit wasn't English per se, I suppose, so much as Henry VIII's settlement giving James VI and Charles I ideas down in Whitehall palace and Laud trying to apply a similar system in Scotland ...
The SEC does say it is 'part of the Anglican communion' and more recently in some towns it was English incomers who were a key element in setting up the local Episcopalian congregations in parallel to the RCs. I have read of one wee burgh where in living memory their Episcopalian Church was called the English Church (and the associated kirk school the English School). But it was originally most certainly home grown as you say, especially in the Doric country of the north east - I quite see your point!
Against this background the economy did very badly during the restoration of the bishops, and the political repression was quite horrific.
Labour, helping big business get richer while impoverishing the working man.
Sorry Carnyx but you have mentioned the man Laud. I am now going to go into a reset loop while I struggle to work out whether he was a gifted theologian and a hero martyred for his beliefs at the advanced age of 71 or whether he was another power-mad, old left over who got what was coming to him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL1zs4OKYAU
Definitely not suitable for work or children... or anyone lacking a sense of humour. :-)
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12476/9199399/claire-williams-targeting-points-at-every-race-during-the-2014-season
It will be fascinating to see if Williams can deliver this year. I hope so.
Ah, but! Master Dickson is but a ....
The Autonomous Republic of Crimea will join the rouble zone if admitted to Russia, the peninsula’s First Deputy Prime Minister Rustam Temirgaliyev told a news conference on Thursday, March 6.
“As a part of Russia we will be in the Russian economic environment and therefore in the ruble zone"
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