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A bit of a narrative seems developing about the rise of UKIP which is said to hurting Labour more than the Tories. This is based on studies showing that white, working class men who finished their education at secondary school are being disproportionately attracted to Farage’s party.
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The first shall be last0
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It seems likely from the above that if UKIP fade then the Tories will gain most - but this isn't actually known. Without any further breakdown, it might be the case that all those 2010 Tory voters are Tory/Lab swing voters, who in the absence of UKIP break to Labour.0
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The Faragistas are on balance probably good for Labour. For now.
They'll get a boost from the Clegg debate because a) it gives them a profile b) they can articulate their populist anti-EU message and c) they'll be socking it to Nick Clegg.0 -
I'm seriously worried that some people will vote Ukip in the Euros just to annoy Nick Clegg. Remember the AV campaign. Turn it into a referendum on Clegg.0
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Mark Pack suggested that the local election results support that theory.Lennon said:It seems likely from the above that if UKIP fade then the Tories will gain most - but this isn't actually known. Without any further breakdown, it might be the case that all those 2010 Tory voters are Tory/Lab swing voters, who in the absence of UKIP break to Labour.
http://www.markpack.org.uk/47012/how-ukip-is-damaging-labour-reprised/
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Interesting to see UKIP are getting 17% from the LDs as opposed to 8% from Labour, not what one would have expected.0
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Indeed, given both the Tories between 1992 and 1997 and Labour between 1997 and 2010 lost well over 4 million votes it would suggest there is a very significant pool of swing voters with no allegiance to any particular party.anotherDave said:
Mark Pack suggested that the local election results support that theory.Lennon said:It seems likely from the above that if UKIP fade then the Tories will gain most - but this isn't actually known. Without any further breakdown, it might be the case that all those 2010 Tory voters are Tory/Lab swing voters, who in the absence of UKIP break to Labour.
http://www.markpack.org.uk/47012/how-ukip-is-damaging-labour-reprised/
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Similar demographic? Both White, Middle Class and Middle Aged.AndyJS said:Interesting to see UKIP are getting 17% from the LDs as opposed to 8% from Labour, not what one would have expected.
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Part of the Lib Dem support was always a protest vote.AndyJS said:Interesting to see UKIP are getting 17% from the LDs as opposed to 8% from Labour, not what one would have expected.
According to the Guardian article 8/10 of the seats with highest Ukip support are Labour. This does ring true in a way. The support is coming disproportionately from Tory voters in what are largely Labour areas. However that's not so bad for Dave. If the Tory vote collapses in Doncaster it won't make a blind bit of difference.
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Yes, you can often predict when someone's going to be UKIP as he opens the door - canvass records something like 2010 abstain or Con; 2005 Con 2001 abstain 1997 Lab, Daily Mail or Express in the porch, often affable-aggressive (but not usually nasty). Marked gender gap - a couple where the wife is UKIP and the husband isn't is very rare, but not vice versa. I agree we wouldn't get them back even if UKIP faded, but most would just abstain IMO.0
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Or just protest votes who don't like the government. Any government.TheWatcher said:
Similar demographic? Both White, Middle Class and Middle Aged.AndyJS said:Interesting to see UKIP are getting 17% from the LDs as opposed to 8% from Labour, not what one would have expected.
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And don't want to be in government. Any government. That would explain the shift from the LD's.Charles said:
Or just protest votes who don't like the government. Any government.TheWatcher said:
Similar demographic? Both White, Middle Class and Middle Aged.AndyJS said:Interesting to see UKIP are getting 17% from the LDs as opposed to 8% from Labour, not what one would have expected.
I suspect they both favour garish, striped blazers too.
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Good afternoon, everyone.
This is a perhaps unsurprising finding. However, its importance depends on where the voters are coming from. Safe and no-hope seats don't matter nearly so much as marginals.0 -
GCSE English: Low grades shock for Wales in January exams
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-26464441
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Like this one?TheWatcher said:
And don't want to be in government. Any government. That would explain the shift from the LD's.Charles said:
Or just protest votes who don't like the government. Any government.TheWatcher said:
Similar demographic? Both White, Middle Class and Middle Aged.AndyJS said:Interesting to see UKIP are getting 17% from the LDs as opposed to 8% from Labour, not what one would have expected.
I suspect they both favour garish, striped blazers too.
http://www.google.com/imgres?biw=1350&bih=887&tbm=isch&tbnid=jmgyvow80Qrg4M:&imgrefurl=http://chapman.dailymail.co.uk/2013/06/&docid=Q0loPQ3UacFOYM&imgurl=http://anmblog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c565553ef0192aba25169970d-pi&w=2113&h=1488&ei=aosYU-LgJYiBywPamIGQDw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=563&page=1&start=0&ndsp=28&ved=0CFUQrQMwAQ
(It's not actually the photo I was looking for - which has them all clustered in a garden somewhere - but will have to do)0 -
Just like that! Almost as natty a dresser as Neil Hamilton. Sums up UKIP to a T, that one.Charles said:
Like this one?TheWatcher said:
And don't want to be in government. Any government. That would explain the shift from the LD's.Charles said:
Or just protest votes who don't like the government. Any government.TheWatcher said:
Similar demographic? Both White, Middle Class and Middle Aged.AndyJS said:Interesting to see UKIP are getting 17% from the LDs as opposed to 8% from Labour, not what one would have expected.
I suspect they both favour garish, striped blazers too.
http://www.google.com/imgres?biw=1350&bih=887&tbm=isch&tbnid=jmgyvow80Qrg4M:&imgrefurl=http://chapman.dailymail.co.uk/2013/06/&docid=Q0loPQ3UacFOYM&imgurl=http://anmblog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c565553ef0192aba25169970d-pi&w=2113&h=1488&ei=aosYU-LgJYiBywPamIGQDw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=563&page=1&start=0&ndsp=28&ved=0CFUQrQMwAQ
(It's not actually the photo I was looking for - which has them all clustered in a garden somewhere - but will have to do)
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GCSE English: Low grades shock for Wales in January exams
The desperate state of Welsh education and NHS services after decades of labour is going to be front and centre next year.
What is Ed doing here?? These are central plank labour issues.
The tories are going to hang Wales around Ed's neck like a dead albatross.
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Yep. You're describing pretty much the way I visualise @Sam.NickPalmer said:Yes, you can often predict when someone's going to be UKIP as he opens the door - canvass records something like 2010 abstain or Con; 2005 Con 2001 abstain 1997 Lab, Daily Mail or Express in the porch, often affable-aggressive (but not usually nasty). Marked gender gap - a couple where the wife is UKIP and the husband isn't is very rare, but not vice versa. I agree we wouldn't get them back even if UKIP faded, but most would just abstain IMO.
Oh but wait...he's a young ex-Labour supporter.
Oh well.0 -
Mr. Taffys, perhaps they ought to, but they haven't yet.
Reports on the news about Wales (often regarding ambulance-related woe) tend to refer to the Welsh Government (if they bother to point out it's devolved at all) and rarely does Labour really get mentioned.
It takes time for ideas to diffuse from the politicians to the public, and they may well end up leaving it too late.0 -
CCHQ are asleep when it comes to pointing at Wales.0
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F1: after seizing control of McLaren, Darth Dennis proclaims that downforce is insignificant compared to the power of a Mercedes engine (I paraphrase):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/264671400 -
I dunno, I go away for a few days, and when I come back everyone's being civil to one another.
Perhaps I should go away more often... ? ;-)0 -
''It takes time for ideas to diffuse from the politicians to the public, and they may well end up leaving it too late. ''
Yes its curious, but Jeremy Hunt is increasing the pressure (partly because Welsh people in border towns are, incredibly, coming to the Tory run English NHS for better treatment).
Plus, of course the tories have MPs in Wales, so they have to tread a bit carefully.
Could the tories run election adverts in England like 'for the low down on services under labour....go to Wales....'
It would be risky I guess.
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You missed the events of yesterday then?JosiasJessop said:I dunno, I go away for a few days, and when I come back everyone's being civil to one another.
Perhaps I should go away more often... ? ;-)0 -
Mr. Jessop, don't forget to check the last pre-season F1 article, which is now literally festooned with comments:
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/f1-2014-second-and-third-tests.html
Early forecasts suggest rain is possible for Australia. Normally I like rain, but it'd be good to have a wholly dry weekend so we can get as clear a picture as possible for the pecking order.0 -
Doesn't this data just reinforce the idea that UKIP hurting Labour as much if not more than the Tories is just wishful thinking?0
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I think it's more the explanation for why Lab isn't miles ahead. They were down to core and may be up a bit on that but the swing voters aren't swinging like they used to.DaemonBarber said:Doesn't this data just reinforce the idea that UKIP hurting Labour as much if not more than the Tories is just wishful thinking?
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What events?DaemonBarber said:
You missed the events of yesterday then?JosiasJessop said:I dunno, I go away for a few days, and when I come back everyone's being civil to one another.
Perhaps I should go away more often... ? ;-)
Early yesterday morning I was out with my sister as she zeroed her hunting rifle somewhere near Cannock Chase. Very interesting, and she's a far better shot than I ever was.
The meetings I had later in the day seemed rather tame in comparison. ;-)0 -
CCHQ are asleep when it comes to pointing at Wales.
So, to be honest, are the media. The conservative leadership are probably afraid that criticising Wales' government will be seen as a criticism of the Welsh people themselves. Cameron is very patrician like that, and would not want to do it.
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Ron Dennis seems to me to be the poster boy for 'someone who doesn't suffer fools gladly'...Morris_Dancer said:F1: after seizing control of McLaren, Darth Dennis proclaims that downforce is insignificant compared to the power of a Mercedes engine (I paraphrase):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/264671400 -
Who says British schools are rubbish?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/06/blightys_teen_boffin_builds_nuclear_reactor_in_classroom/0 -
The Good News fights through the floods
The first of big monthly Retail Sales reports, The Visa Europe UK Consumer Expenditure Index compiled by Markit and based on aggregate spending on consumer Visa debit and credit cards, was published this morning.
The overall story is that the rain dampened sales in February but underlying trends remain positive.
Headline findings:
• Year-on-year household expenditure rose slightly in February (+0.3%), following a solid increase on the year in January (+1.5%).
• Month-on-month spending fell marginally in February (-0.4%), following the quickest monthly increase in expenditure since September 2012 in January (+1.8%).
• Quarterly spending figures signalled that underlying expenditure fell slightly in February (-0.5%), after no change in January (+0.0%).
• Non-seasonally adjusted year-on-year expenditure rose solidly through Online spending channels (+4.3%), but declined slightly through Face-to-Face and Mail/Telephone Order categories (-0.9% and -0.8%, respectively).=================================================================
Visa Europe UK Consumer Expenditure Index
February 2014 Summary Table
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2014
Feb Jan Dec
Overall Spending Annual SA +0.3% +1.5% +0.8%
Overall Spending 3m/3m SA -0.5% +0.0% +0.2%
Overall Spending Monthly SA -0.4% +1.8% -1.8%
Face-to-Face Spending Annual NSA -0.9% +1.5% -1.9%
Online Spending Annual NSA +4.3% +4.8% +6.8%
Mail/Telephone Order (MOTO) Annual NSA -0.8% +1.3% +0.4%
=================================================================
Jeremy Nicholds, Director of Commercial Development at Visa Europe said:
“February’s wet weather put a mild dampener on consumer purchases but wasn’t enough to halt the continued spending recovery in the UK. This month was the fifth in a row to show an improvement in year-on-year spending and while there was a decline from January on a month-by-month basis, this is less significant than the longer term upward trend. As the weather improves, this upward momentum should be sustained in the coming months as well.
Sectors enjoying a good month were the housing market linked Household Goods (up 4.3%), indoor non-rain affected Online Purchases (also up 4.3%) and PB Londoners affected Hotel and Restaurants (up 7.1%). All annual figures.0 -
iSam was smote by the ban-hammer...JosiasJessop said:
What events?DaemonBarber said:
You missed the events of yesterday then?JosiasJessop said:I dunno, I go away for a few days, and when I come back everyone's being civil to one another.
Perhaps I should go away more often... ? ;-)
Early yesterday morning I was out with my sister as she zeroed her hunting rifle somewhere near Cannock Chase. Very interesting, and she's a far better shot than I ever was.
The meetings I had later in the day seemed rather tame in comparison. ;-)0 -
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Ah, that's a shame. We often didn't see eye to eye, but he often make good points.DaemonBarber said:
iSam was smote by the ban-hammer...JosiasJessop said:
What events?DaemonBarber said:
You missed the events of yesterday then?JosiasJessop said:I dunno, I go away for a few days, and when I come back everyone's being civil to one another.
Perhaps I should go away more often... ? ;-)
Early yesterday morning I was out with my sister as she zeroed her hunting rifle somewhere near Cannock Chase. Very interesting, and she's a far better shot than I ever was.
The meetings I had later in the day seemed rather tame in comparison. ;-)
Things always seem to kick off when I'm away doing something else.0 -
"iSam strayed from the path and the Lord OGH smote him good."DaemonBarber said:
iSam was smote by the ban-hammer...JosiasJessop said:
What events?DaemonBarber said:
You missed the events of yesterday then?JosiasJessop said:I dunno, I go away for a few days, and when I come back everyone's being civil to one another.
Perhaps I should go away more often... ? ;-)
Early yesterday morning I was out with my sister as she zeroed her hunting rifle somewhere near Cannock Chase. Very interesting, and she's a far better shot than I ever was.
The meetings I had later in the day seemed rather tame in comparison. ;-)0 -
Come, Mr. Knox, you overstate your case.SeanT said:I submit that the Nats are making good steady progress having eaten away 0.25 of the No lead in a mere two and a quarter years, and should expect to achieve independence around the time the universe is extinguished by heat death.
The Nats need to move about another 16 points to be sure of being decently clearly ahead (allowing for eg GOTV etc).
That is 64 quarter-point intervals at a rate of one such per two years. They've got not so much the "big mo" as the "slo mo".
On that basis Scottish independence will be here in a mere 128 years.
Wee Eck's time will thus come in about 2142, in nice time to begin preparations for the 400th anniversary of the '45 and for malcolmg - who will still be here and still be angry - to be moaning about how the dilithium crystals are in Scottish Planck subspace.0 -
Will the UKraine Independence Party win any votes in Crimea?
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Interesting thing about that report was fusion being taken seriously in a news report. I think that's a first - at least to my recollection.DaemonBarber said:Who says British schools are rubbish?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/06/blightys_teen_boffin_builds_nuclear_reactor_in_classroom/
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"Andrew Bridgen MP is proposing an amendment to the Deregulation Bill to shift the BBC licence fee from a criminal matter to a civil matter like any other household bill."
http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2014/02/28/decriminalise-the-bbc-licence-fee/
http://www.andrewbridgen.com/content/andrew-bridgen-calls-decriminalisation-nonpayment-tv-licence
Lord Pearson has pushed this in the HoL in the past. Nice to see the proposal being pushed by an MP too.
https://www.ukip.org/newsroom/news/842-ukip-call-for-bbc-non-payment-to-be-made-a-civil-not-criminal-offence0 -
You really should have been an Archbishop Jack, probably more Wishart than Sharp.JackW said:The first shall be last
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Licence Fee = TV Poll Tax.anotherDave said:"Andrew Bridgen MP is proposing an amendment to the Deregulation Bill to shift the BBC licence fee from a criminal matter to a civil matter like any other household bill."
http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2014/02/28/decriminalise-the-bbc-licence-fee/
http://www.andrewbridgen.com/content/andrew-bridgen-calls-decriminalisation-nonpayment-tv-licence
Lord Pearson has pushed this in the HoL in the past. Nice to see the proposal being pushed by an MP too.
https://www.ukip.org/newsroom/news/842-ukip-call-for-bbc-non-payment-to-be-made-a-civil-not-criminal-offence0 -
The Register report on fusion quite a lot, but it is a techie site.MrJones said:
Interesting thing about that report was fusion being taken seriously in a news report. I think that's a first - at least to my recollection.DaemonBarber said:Who says British schools are rubbish?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/06/blightys_teen_boffin_builds_nuclear_reactor_in_classroom/
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Hang on, you Scots don't have bishops! Not only did we go to war over the point once but it also featured in a Flanders and Swan song.Easterross said:
You really should have been an Archbishop Jack, probably more Wishart than Sharp.JackW said:The first shall be last
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It's a Farnsworth fusor, and about as far as you can get from practical net-power fusion (at least as far as we know). Lots of people play about with these things.MrJones said:
Interesting thing about that report was fusion being taken seriously in a news report. I think that's a first - at least to my recollection.DaemonBarber said:Who says British schools are rubbish?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/06/blightys_teen_boffin_builds_nuclear_reactor_in_classroom/
Still good stuff though, and way cool.0 -
Yeah i mean mainstream media. Probably nothing but maybe a straw in the wind.DaemonBarber said:
The Register report on fusion quite a lot, but it is a techie site.MrJones said:
Interesting thing about that report was fusion being taken seriously in a news report. I think that's a first - at least to my recollection.DaemonBarber said:Who says British schools are rubbish?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/06/blightys_teen_boffin_builds_nuclear_reactor_in_classroom/
edit: the last i read about fusion in the mainstream media was 20 years ago (?) or something like that and all negative.
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What about ITER ?MrJones said:
Yeah i mean mainstream media. Probably nothing but maybe a straw in the wind.DaemonBarber said:
The Register report on fusion quite a lot, but it is a techie site.MrJones said:
Interesting thing about that report was fusion being taken seriously in a news report. I think that's a first - at least to my recollection.DaemonBarber said:Who says British schools are rubbish?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/06/blightys_teen_boffin_builds_nuclear_reactor_in_classroom/
edit: the last i read about fusion in the mainstream media was 20 years ago (?) or something like that and all negative.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23595133
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER
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@BJB - "On that basis Scottish independence will be here in a mere 128 years."
I just knew a PB pedant wouldn’t let SeanT’s comment go unchallenged – well done, Sir. ; )0 -
Reprising the corp tax stuff from earlier...
This little piece is about Apple, but really could cover a lot of companies:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/06/cupertino_skipping_beelions_in_tax_report/
Not so much as a loop-hole as a huge gaping vortex.0 -
Catholic ones? OK for a Jacobite.HurstLlama said:
Hang on, you Scots don't have bishops! Not only did we go to war over the point once but it also featured in a Flanders and Swan song.Easterross said:
You really should have been an Archbishop Jack, probably more Wishart than Sharp.JackW said:The first shall be last
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specially for Carlotta...........
http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-bully-pulpit/0 -
Another interesting blog on http://election-data.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/a-coalition-of-despised-part-one.html
Perhaps JackW can assist us in understanding where the young living in older terraces might be in Harpenden and Hitchen? Not West Common?0 -
Not necessarily. Perhaps climate change will accelerate the heat death of the universe?SimonStClare said:@BJB - "On that basis Scottish independence will be here in a mere 128 years."
I just knew a PB pedant wouldn’t let SeanT’s comment go unchallenged – well done, Sir. ; )0 -
seems i missed a fewNext said:
What about ITER ?MrJones said:
Yeah i mean mainstream media. Probably nothing but maybe a straw in the wind.DaemonBarber said:
The Register report on fusion quite a lot, but it is a techie site.MrJones said:
Interesting thing about that report was fusion being taken seriously in a news report. I think that's a first - at least to my recollection.DaemonBarber said:Who says British schools are rubbish?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/06/blightys_teen_boffin_builds_nuclear_reactor_in_classroom/
edit: the last i read about fusion in the mainstream media was 20 years ago (?) or something like that and all negative.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23595133
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Three snippets of news from ITAR-TASS for the Kremlinologists amongst us.
1. The Ukraine has paid its January Gazprom gas bill of $658.4 million. There was no additional discount provided for paying by American Express card and Eurocheque. Putin reaffirmed that the 33% discount agreed for current supplies will end in April. The Ukraine's outstanding debt to Russia reduces to $1.3 billion which excludes the upcoming February gas bill of $400 million.
2. Greenpeace have filed a request for the release of Arctic Sunrise, their ship confiscated during last September's attempted boarding of a Russian oil rig in the Arctic. No indication on how Russia will respond but Greenpeace may get lucky from the Ukrainian crisis if Putin decides the world needs to see evidence of his feminine side.
3. Inflation in the Ukraine leapt to 0.6% for the month of February. This is about equivalent to the current average annual inflation rate in the Eurozone. No wonder Angela Merkel is reluctant to get too heavily involved in picking up the pieces of the Ukrainian economy.0 -
This assumes a linear fall in the difference, but SeanT did not say that.Charles said:
Not necessarily. Perhaps climate change will accelerate the heat death of the universe?SimonStClare said:@BJB - "On that basis Scottish independence will be here in a mere 128 years."
I just knew a PB pedant wouldn’t let SeanT’s comment go unchallenged – well done, Sir. ; )
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I enjoyed it at the time - unmasking The Wyfe of Bath from Wings over Scotland Somerset!malcolmg said:specially for Carlotta...........
http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-bully-pulpit/
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Has Isam been binned?0
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OldKingCole said:
Catholic ones? OK for a Jacobite.HurstLlama said:
Hang on, you Scots don't have bishops! Not only did we go to war over the point once but it also featured in a Flanders and Swan song.Easterross said:
You really should have been an Archbishop Jack, probably more Wishart than Sharp.JackW said:The first shall be last
Fair go, Mr. Cole I was forgetting about the Papists. Old Jack might get away with his Jacobite tendencies, but surely not Mr. Easterross.0 -
especially for malcolmg.....
Brian Monteith eschews the usual proprietaries over intruding into the private grief of others - in this case, Labour in Scotland:
http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2014/03/brian-monteith-now-its-labours-turn-to-take-the-fight-to-the-nationalists.html0 -
More Blue on Blue(this time from outside the party):
Institute of Directors press release
Commenting on the James Brokenshire’s speech on immigration this morning, Simon Walker, Director General of the Institute of Directors, said:
“It is feeble and pathetic to hear yet more divisive language from politicians on immigration. The UK is an open, trading country that benefits from the skills and ideas of migrants. We will not become more prosperous by closing our borders to talented individuals and entrepreneurs from across the world. This speech seems to be more about political positioning and less about what is good for the country."0 -
He got into a Kellyesque scrap with the Mods <shall! shan't! shall! shan't! [MODERATED] told ya!) last night, so who knows......compouter2 said:Has Isam been binned?
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If isam has been ejected, I hope we shall see him back soon enough. He was a canny poster.0
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What is it with the PB Hodges at the moment?CarlottaVance said:
He got into a Kellyesque scrap with the Modscompouter2 said:Has Isam been binned?
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Apparently so, Mr. 2, I was not here to see it happen but it would appear he has been sent to the naughty step. We must not ask why nor are we allowed to ponder on the site about the fact that the old boy always seemed a decent sort. We must just take it that his transgressions were serious, if not manifold.compouter2 said:Has Isam been binned?
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Them there are the rules....abide or be off.HurstLlama said:
Apparently so, Mr. 2, I was not here to see it happen but it would appear he has been sent to the naughty step. We must not ask why nor are we allowed to ponder on the site about the fact that the old boy always seemed a decent sort. We must just take it that his transgressions were serious, if not manifold.compouter2 said:Has Isam been binned?
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Can you define 'PB Hodges'?compouter2 said:
What is it with the PB Hodges at the moment?CarlottaVance said:
He got into a Kellyesque scrap with the Modscompouter2 said:Has Isam been binned?
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Anyone I declare to be a PB Hodge.JosiasJessop said:
Can you define 'PB Hodges'?compouter2 said:
What is it with the PB Hodges at the moment?CarlottaVance said:
He got into a Kellyesque scrap with the Modscompouter2 said:Has Isam been binned?
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Mr. Compouter, you keep using this PB Hodges label and I haven't a clue what you mean. Could you perhaps explain and perhaps provide some examples?compouter2 said:
What is it with the PB Hodges at the moment?CarlottaVance said:
He got into a Kellyesque scrap with the Modscompouter2 said:Has Isam been binned?
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Walker is right. Those who seek to close down immigration need to be upfront about the fact that they will make us all poorer.compouter2 said:More Blue on Blue(this time from outside the party):
Institute of Directors press release
Commenting on the James Brokenshire’s speech on immigration this morning, Simon Walker, Director General of the Institute of Directors, said:
“It is feeble and pathetic to hear yet more divisive language from politicians on immigration. The UK is an open, trading country that benefits from the skills and ideas of migrants. We will not become more prosperous by closing our borders to talented individuals and entrepreneurs from across the world. This speech seems to be more about political positioning and less about what is good for the country."0 -
Unrestrained immigration serves two self-interested groups:compouter2 said:More Blue on Blue(this time from outside the party):
Institute of Directors press release
Commenting on the James Brokenshire’s speech on immigration this morning, Simon Walker, Director General of the Institute of Directors, said:
“It is feeble and pathetic to hear yet more divisive language from politicians on immigration. The UK is an open, trading country that benefits from the skills and ideas of migrants. We will not become more prosperous by closing our borders to talented individuals and entrepreneurs from across the world. This speech seems to be more about political positioning and less about what is good for the country."
Businesses to get cheaper labour. They should try training up more of their fellow citizens and cease their short term attitude to investment in the UK.
Labour Party to import more voters.
As Marx(? ask millibean) said, give capitalists enough rope and they will hang themselves.
As I say, give Labour enough rope and they will screw us all.
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HS2:
Without meaning to bore anyone with civil engineering matters (*), a rail industry group has come up with a document outlining possible consequences if HS2 is not built.
The source should be noted (they are pro-rail), and I do not agree with all of it. But the broad thrust seems right to me.
(*) Yes, I know: "civil engineering: see boring"0 -
A PB Hodge - Anyone I declare to be a PB Hodge and/or generally has right wing views(though it is not a necessity) . That is more or less it.HurstLlama said:
Mr. Compouter, you keep using this PB Hodges label and I haven't a clue what you mean. Could you perhaps explain and perhaps provide some examples?compouter2 said:
What is it with the PB Hodges at the moment?CarlottaVance said:
He got into a Kellyesque scrap with the Modscompouter2 said:Has Isam been binned?
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As study after study has shown (although I appreciate this doesn't hold a candle to the bloke down your local pub), immigration unambiguously benefits the host nation for many reasons none of which I have time to go into here.perdix said:
Unrestrained immigration serves two self-interested groups:compouter2 said:More Blue on Blue(this time from outside the party):
Institute of Directors press release
Commenting on the James Brokenshire’s speech on immigration this morning, Simon Walker, Director General of the Institute of Directors, said:
“It is feeble and pathetic to hear yet more divisive language from politicians on immigration. The UK is an open, trading country that benefits from the skills and ideas of migrants. We will not become more prosperous by closing our borders to talented individuals and entrepreneurs from across the world. This speech seems to be more about political positioning and less about what is good for the country."
Businesses to get cheaper labour.
Labour Party to import more voters.
As Marx(? ask millibean) said, give capitalists enough rope and they will hang themselves.
As I say, give Labour enough rope and they will screw us all.
It is a fantasy (and always was) that "they are taking our jobs".
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I love a bit of Blue on Blue, it is very entertaining.BobaFett said:
Walker is right. Those who seek to close down immigration need to be upfront about the fact that they will make us all poorer.compouter2 said:More Blue on Blue(this time from outside the party):
Institute of Directors press release
Commenting on the James Brokenshire’s speech on immigration this morning, Simon Walker, Director General of the Institute of Directors, said:
“It is feeble and pathetic to hear yet more divisive language from politicians on immigration. The UK is an open, trading country that benefits from the skills and ideas of migrants. We will not become more prosperous by closing our borders to talented individuals and entrepreneurs from across the world. This speech seems to be more about political positioning and less about what is good for the country."0 -
That's a very good article indeed - well worth a read for what he says about the impact on Westminster.CarlottaVance said:especially for malcolmg.....
Brian Monteith eschews the usual proprietaries over intruding into the private grief of others - in this case, Labour in Scotland:
http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2014/03/brian-monteith-now-its-labours-turn-to-take-the-fight-to-the-nationalists.html0 -
In his world view an ex-Labour=>Kipper switcher who brings betting expertise to a betting site is a PB Hodge.HurstLlama said:
Mr. Compouter, you keep using this PB Hodges label and I haven't a clue what you mean. Could you perhaps explain and perhaps provide some examples?compouter2 said:
What is it with the PB Hodges at the moment?CarlottaVance said:
He got into a Kellyesque scrap with the Modscompouter2 said:Has Isam been binned?
Beats me also.0 -
Oh, I don't know, it seems rather tame compared with Red on Red:compouter2 said:I love a bit of Blue on Blue, it is very entertaining.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537817/Bruiser-Balls-dragged-apart-screaming-Alexander-stop-fists-flying-Tessa-Jowell-stops-Labour-heavyweights-coming-blows-Europe-vote.html
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Those who seek to close down immigration need to be upfront about the fact that they will make us all poorer.
I wonder if the debate on immigration is shifting very slightly after we didn;t become a suburb of bucharest on January 01 2014. The Angela Merkel visit may have helped too and perhaps economic news is cooling tempers a bit.
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Time for my obligatory link tothe following warning: possibly NSFW):TOPPING said:
As study after study has shown (although I appreciate this doesn't hold a candle to the bloke down your local pub), immigration unambiguously benefits the host nation for many reasons none of which I have time to go into here.perdix said:
Unrestrained immigration serves two self-interested groups:compouter2 said:More Blue on Blue(this time from outside the party):
Institute of Directors press release
Commenting on the James Brokenshire’s speech on immigration this morning, Simon Walker, Director General of the Institute of Directors, said:
“It is feeble and pathetic to hear yet more divisive language from politicians on immigration. The UK is an open, trading country that benefits from the skills and ideas of migrants. We will not become more prosperous by closing our borders to talented individuals and entrepreneurs from across the world. This speech seems to be more about political positioning and less about what is good for the country."
Businesses to get cheaper labour.
Labour Party to import more voters.
As Marx(? ask millibean) said, give capitalists enough rope and they will hang themselves.
As I say, give Labour enough rope and they will screw us all.
It is a fantasy (and always was) that "they are taking our jobs".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik0 -
Obviously a matter of opinion. Are you Team Boris or Team Gideon? Though there there is a choice of Team Gove, Team May and Team Grayling. Also, why does no one ever mention anyone in Team Cameron? I'm with Team Boris....Go Bojo!Richard_Nabavi said:
Oh, I don't know, it seems rather tame compared with Red on Red:compouter2 said:I love a bit of Blue on Blue, it is very entertaining.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537817/Bruiser-Balls-dragged-apart-screaming-Alexander-stop-fists-flying-Tessa-Jowell-stops-Labour-heavyweights-coming-blows-Europe-vote.html0 -
Would you avoid hiring an immigrant even if they were the best person for the job?perdix said:
Unrestrained immigration serves two self-interested groups:compouter2 said:More Blue on Blue(this time from outside the party):
Institute of Directors press release
Commenting on the James Brokenshire’s speech on immigration this morning, Simon Walker, Director General of the Institute of Directors, said:
“It is feeble and pathetic to hear yet more divisive language from politicians on immigration. The UK is an open, trading country that benefits from the skills and ideas of migrants. We will not become more prosperous by closing our borders to talented individuals and entrepreneurs from across the world. This speech seems to be more about political positioning and less about what is good for the country."
Businesses to get cheaper labour. They should try training up more of their fellow citizens and cease their short term attitude to investment in the UK.
Labour Party to import more voters.
As Marx(? ask millibean) said, give capitalists enough rope and they will hang themselves.
As I say, give Labour enough rope and they will screw us all.0 -
We do indeed have Bishops. The Jacobites were almost exclusively either Episcopalian or Roman Catholic. We have 6 Episcopalian Bishops in Scotland, one of whom acts as Primus since for some reason they wont appoint an Archbishop. We have 2 Roman Catholic Archbishops, Glasgow and Edinburgh and St Andrews. The elevation to the red cap of Cardinal traditionally flips back and forward between the two so with the now disgraced Cardinal O'Brien of Edinburgh and St Andrews having stepped aside, the Archbishop of Glasgow would expect to be the next Scottish Cardinal. We also have loads of RC Bishops given the huge proportion of Central Scotland population of Irish Catholic extraction.HurstLlama said:
Hang on, you Scots don't have bishops! Not only did we go to war over the point once but it also featured in a Flanders and Swan song.Easterross said:
You really should have been an Archbishop Jack, probably more Wishart than Sharp.JackW said:The first shall be last
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Instead of obsessing about Conservative personalities (*), why not actually say something positive about the Labour Party and its policies? Or are you just another anti-Conservative person?compouter2 said:
Obviously a matter of opinion. Are you Team Boris or Team Gideon? Though there there is a choice of Team Gove, Team May and Team Grayling. Also, why does no one ever mention anyone in Team Cameron? I'm with Team Boris....Go Bojo!Richard_Nabavi said:
Oh, I don't know, it seems rather tame compared with Red on Red:compouter2 said:I love a bit of Blue on Blue, it is very entertaining.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537817/Bruiser-Balls-dragged-apart-screaming-Alexander-stop-fists-flying-Tessa-Jowell-stops-Labour-heavyweights-coming-blows-Europe-vote.html
Awaits the silence ...
(*) Yes, I know I'm guilty of this at times as well.0 -
The Air Raid Warden in Dad's Army??JosiasJessop said:
Can you define 'PB Hodges'?compouter2 said:
What is it with the PB Hodges at the moment?CarlottaVance said:
He got into a Kellyesque scrap with the Modscompouter2 said:Has Isam been binned?
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Labour don't have any policies, it's a blank piece of paper.....don't you read posts on PB? Oh, and Ed's crap.JosiasJessop said:
Instead of obsessing about Conservative personalities (*), why not actually say something positive about the Labour Party and its policies? Or are you just another anti-Conservative person?compouter2 said:
Obviously a matter of opinion. Are you Team Boris or Team Gideon? Though there there is a choice of Team Gove, Team May and Team Grayling. Also, why does no one ever mention anyone in Team Cameron? I'm with Team Boris....Go Bojo!Richard_Nabavi said:
Oh, I don't know, it seems rather tame compared with Red on Red:compouter2 said:I love a bit of Blue on Blue, it is very entertaining.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537817/Bruiser-Balls-dragged-apart-screaming-Alexander-stop-fists-flying-Tessa-Jowell-stops-Labour-heavyweights-coming-blows-Europe-vote.html
Awaits the silence ...
(*) Yes, I know I'm guilty of this at times as well.0 -
On topic (do what???) if 13% of UKIP’s current vote comes from previous UKIP voters then they should win Thanet S by around 1200 votes, assuming no other transfers.
And it doesn’t look good for the LD’s deposit, if one allows for the shift to Labour.0 -
Has this association disbanded, it has gone very very quiet recently.
http://www.conservativehome.com/leftwatch/2012/01/launching-the-do-not-underestimate-labour-association.html
Also the Do not underestimate/unseat Ed Miliband Association(D.U.E.M.A).....has this gone the same way?0 -
Not every property on West Common is a multi-million pounder like Flowton Priory presently on the market at a smidge under £9M.Verulamius said:Another interesting blog on http://election-data.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/a-coalition-of-despised-part-one.html
Perhaps JackW can assist us in understanding where the young living in older terraces might be in Harpenden and Hitchen? Not West Common?
http://search.savills.com/content/assets/properties/gbhprshrs110351/HRS110351_HRS13000473.PDF
There are one or two small two bedders around £400K that hit the mark but West Common generally isn't the place to go Ukip hunting. They're far too arriviste for Harpenden and especially the folk on the Common.
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Perhaps they're PB's branch of the coach outing associationSunil_Prasannan said:
The Air Raid Warden in Dad's Army??JosiasJessop said:
Can you define 'PB Hodges'?compouter2 said:
What is it with the PB Hodges at the moment?CarlottaVance said:
He got into a Kellyesque scrap with the Modscompouter2 said:Has Isam been binned?
http://www.hodges-coaches.co.uk/
I can't quite see JackW in that top picture ...0 -
It's all been rather boring compared with the last parliament. Gordon Brown plotting to dislodge Blair, and eventually succeeding, only for his henchmen to fall into civil war over the Election That Never Was; David Miliband repeatedly running up behind Brown's back and then running away again when Brown turned round; James Purnell going Over The Top, and finding that all those who had been cheering him on were inexplicably reluctant to follow him; Harriet Harman routinely on manoeuvres (she was favourite to be next Labour leader at one time!!!); Charles Clarke being Charles Clarke; Jack Straw being Delphically disloyal; and, most hilarious of all, the Snow Plot:compouter2 said:
Obviously a matter of opinion. Are you Team Boris or Team Gideon? Though there there is a choice of Team Gove, Team May and Team Grayling. Also, why does no one ever mention anyone in Team Cameron? I'm with Team Boris....Go Bojo!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1331438/Harriet-traitor-How-Harman-led-plot-topple-Brown.html
In comparison, Tory plots have been thin gruel indeed in this parliament.
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It seems to have been going for longer than I thought - http://records.ancestry.com/P_B_Hodges_records.ashx?pid=45511657JosiasJessop said:
Perhaps they're PB's branch of the coach outing associationSunil_Prasannan said:
The Air Raid Warden in Dad's Army??JosiasJessop said:
Can you define 'PB Hodges'?compouter2 said:
What is it with the PB Hodges at the moment?CarlottaVance said:
He got into a Kellyesque scrap with the Modscompouter2 said:Has Isam been binned?
http://www.hodges-coaches.co.uk/
I can't quite see JackW in that top picture ...0 -
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Depends on what day it is. Labour either have no policies at all, or a detailed manifesto of dangerously Marxist measures, that would trigger nationwide blackouts and bring about a new Cold War.compouter2 said:
Labour don't have any policies, it's a blank piece of paper.....don't you read posts on PB? Oh, and Ed's crap.JosiasJessop said:
Instead of obsessing about Conservative personalities (*), why not actually say something positive about the Labour Party and its policies? Or are you just another anti-Conservative person?compouter2 said:
Obviously a matter of opinion. Are you Team Boris or Team Gideon? Though there there is a choice of Team Gove, Team May and Team Grayling. Also, why does no one ever mention anyone in Team Cameron? I'm with Team Boris....Go Bojo!Richard_Nabavi said:
Oh, I don't know, it seems rather tame compared with Red on Red:compouter2 said:I love a bit of Blue on Blue, it is very entertaining.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537817/Bruiser-Balls-dragged-apart-screaming-Alexander-stop-fists-flying-Tessa-Jowell-stops-Labour-heavyweights-coming-blows-Europe-vote.html
Awaits the silence ...
(*) Yes, I know I'm guilty of this at times as well.
Take your pick.0 -
Many Jacobites were not Catholics. Indeed the famous Jacobite general Viscount "Bonnie" Dundee was a strong Episcopalian.HurstLlama said:OldKingCole said:
Catholic ones? OK for a Jacobite.HurstLlama said:
Hang on, you Scots don't have bishops! Not only did we go to war over the point once but it also featured in a Flanders and Swan song.Easterross said:
You really should have been an Archbishop Jack, probably more Wishart than Sharp.JackW said:The first shall be last
Fair go, Mr. Cole I was forgetting about the Papists. Old Jack might get away with his Jacobite tendencies, but surely not Mr. Easterross.
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Very true.BobaFett said:
Depends on what day it is. Labour either have no policies at all, or a detailed manifesto of dangerously Marxist measures, that would trigger nationwide blackouts and bring about a new Cold War.compouter2 said:
Labour don't have any policies, it's a blank piece of paper.....don't you read posts on PB? Oh, and Ed's crap.JosiasJessop said:
Instead of obsessing about Conservative personalities (*), why not actually say something positive about the Labour Party and its policies? Or are you just another anti-Conservative person?compouter2 said:
Obviously a matter of opinion. Are you Team Boris or Team Gideon? Though there there is a choice of Team Gove, Team May and Team Grayling. Also, why does no one ever mention anyone in Team Cameron? I'm with Team Boris....Go Bojo!Richard_Nabavi said:
Oh, I don't know, it seems rather tame compared with Red on Red:compouter2 said:I love a bit of Blue on Blue, it is very entertaining.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537817/Bruiser-Balls-dragged-apart-screaming-Alexander-stop-fists-flying-Tessa-Jowell-stops-Labour-heavyweights-coming-blows-Europe-vote.html
Awaits the silence ...
(*) Yes, I know I'm guilty of this at times as well.
Take your pick.0 -
Indeed that's the difference between a three term government and a one term government. The previous Tory government wasn't that dissimilar either.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's all been rather boring compared with the last parliament. Gordon Brown plotting to dislodge Blair, and eventually succeeding, only for his henchmen to fall into civil war over the Election That Never Was; David Miliband repeatedly running up behind Brown's back and then running away again when Brown turned round; James Purnell going Over The Top, and finding that all those who had been cheering him on were inexplicably reluctant to follow him; Harriet Harman routinely on manoeuvres (she was favourite to be next Labour leader at one time!!!); Charles Clarke being Charles Clarke; Jack Straw being Delphically disloyal; and, most hilarious of all, the Snow Plot:compouter2 said:
Obviously a matter of opinion. Are you Team Boris or Team Gideon? Though there there is a choice of Team Gove, Team May and Team Grayling. Also, why does no one ever mention anyone in Team Cameron? I'm with Team Boris....Go Bojo!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1331438/Harriet-traitor-How-Harman-led-plot-topple-Brown.html
In comparison, Tory plots have been thin gruel indeed in this parliament.
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