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It might backfire, but, surely, The Sun will have learned the lessons of Gordon Brown's letter to a soldier's grieving mother, and The Mail's attempt on Milliband?compouter2 said:foxinsoxuk said:It does look like payback time for Hacked Off. I loathe the patronising, moneygrubbing, advisor to private health care companies, and all round swine, Patricia Hewitt, but she is no child molester.
nigel4england said:
Blimey! No matter what the truth is, and the papers don't care anyway, this is bad for Labour.kle4 said:
Jesus! When was the last time there was a headline that inflammatory, or do I not read the papers enough?Tykejohnno said:It looks like the sun as taken the baton from the mail.
Friday's Sun front page - "Labour chiefs: It's ok to have sex with 10-yr-olds" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/XaLhd4jGd0
https://twitter.com/TheSunNewspaper
I wonder if this is payback for newspaper regulation and the Labour stitch up with Hacked Off.
I can see another event such as when The Mail went for Ed Milibands father.foxinsoxuk said:It does look like payback time for Hacked Off. I loathe the patronising, moneygrubbing, advisor to private health care companies, and all round swine, Patricia Hewitt, but she is no child molester.
nigel4england said:
Blimey! No matter what the truth is, and the papers don't care anyway, this is bad for Labour.kle4 said:
Jesus! When was the last time there was a headline that inflammatory, or do I not read the papers enough?Tykejohnno said:It looks like the sun as taken the baton from the mail.
Friday's Sun front page - "Labour chiefs: It's ok to have sex with 10-yr-olds" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/XaLhd4jGd0
https://twitter.com/TheSunNewspaper
I wonder if this is payback for newspaper regulation and the Labour stitch up with Hacked Off.
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I take it you believe the Mirror, Guardian/Observer and Indy will play fair?compouter2 said:I don't see why people are stunned by The Sun headline, I have said this type of propganda will be the norm for the next election. Expect an awful lot more of this from The Sun/The Mail/The Express.
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Are you saying Labour papers never throw muck, or just not this extent of muck? It's a matter of degere, surely, not of good politically biased papers and bad politically biased papers?SMukesh said:So when is this event from?1983 or 1903.Let`s see how much mud can be thrown at Labour.Shows how desperate these Tory papers are to avoid a Miliband government.
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A justification rather than a reason though.Scott_P said:
The Sun found a document in the NCCL archives, with Patricia Hewitt's name on it. They showed it to her. She has issued an apology.AveryLP said:
Very strange to see The Sun take over the baton from The Daily Mail.
An editorial decision must have been taken to splash on the story after a full week of the Mail leading.
Strange.
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Well I've not bothered responding to the rest of your rather meandering piece because the crux of it comes down to the highlighted paragraph that your analysis doesn't do justice to because the real question is.smithersjones2013 said:Edin_Rokz said:
Europhiliac former Blairite EU SPAD and EU gravy train insider repeats the same old garbage he's been spouting for 20 years. Go figure.smithersjones2013 said:Britain should keep open possibility of joining euro, says Labour frontbencherk
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/26/britain-possibility-joining-euro-labour-frontbencher
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Liddle
Now, this may seem difficult to understand, but do we use a currency used by 60 million in one country, or do we use a one in use by 300 million to a billion people that we could just possibly have an input into.
Do we use a currency used by 60 million which is controlled totally by ourselves and can always be used in our interests or do we use one used by hundreds of millions of people that requires a consensus of multiple nations to control and at anyone time may be used in a manner that is against an individual nations best interests (much as it has been used in manner that is against the interests of the PIGS countries in recent years).
Of course until the whole globe adopts the Euro (I will not be holding my breath) there will continue to be the inconvenience of exchange rate commission to be paid. In my view, for this country that's a small price to be paid to ensure that little old UK with its paltry population of 60 million keeps total control over its financial future.
True, meandering, but you still haven't answered the question, when people demand a single currency to trade in, do you use sterling which while at the moment is supposedly strong but because of QE, printing of notes and the ramping of the property market in souf east Engerlund for a political advantage, or do you consider using a different currency?
The Euro is backed by Germany, a high productive manufacturing country rather than a country that thinks a major company should pay more in bonuses to it's staff than it pays to shareholders, even when it doesn't make any profit.0 -
I expect it may harden the resolve of some on the left. This is feck all compared to what we will see in the last six months of campaigning.Freggles said:
Surely either this will knock Labour's lead, or we can start to wonder if the repeated newspaper attacks on Labour are getting diminishing returns.BobaFett said:I'm absolutely stunned by that Sun headline.
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People backing pedophilia, philosophically or in practice, should be shot, not metaphorically, for real. Its exploitation, causes misery and has no excuse. If one of these public figures figures was seen to be putting their names to such backing, past or present then they deserve exposure. It wasn't as if back in the 70s or 80s people did not understand the misery of pedophile abuse, it wasn't as if such abuse was legal. It was just more easily hidden.SMukesh said:So when is this event from?1983 or 1903.Let`s see how much mud can be thrown at Labour.Shows how desperate these Tory papers are to avoid a Miliband government.
No amount of party political loyalty should result in supporting these individuals if it turns out any backed a pro-pedophilia stance.
If, and it is an if, such evidence comes forth whats it going to be first, party or the welfare of children?
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I did say a few days ago that the course of this phase of this story would depend on what, if anything, Patricia Hewitt said.
Looking a few steps ahead, if the Sun's story remotely stacks up, Harriet Harman's aggressive attacks on the Mail are going to look very dissonant once this latest story is absorbed. She may have a lot of backtracking to do.
And Ed Miliband has backed Harriet Harman to the hilt so far. The chances of an awkward Ed Miliband moment have risen appreciably.0 -
The Mirror will respond in kind, tell me again which party the Observer and the Guardian supported at the last election? So no, I do not think they will.TwistedFireStopper said:
I take it you believe the Mirror, Guardian/Observer and Indy will play fair?compouter2 said:I don't see why people are stunned by The Sun headline, I have said this type of propganda will be the norm for the next election. Expect an awful lot more of this from The Sun/The Mail/The Express.
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Why will Patricia Hewitt being in the firing line have an impact on Labour`s lead?She`s retired...I don`t know the story yet but I bet it is a lot less explosive than the headline.0
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Yes, The Sun headline is astonishing. The problem for Labour is that they squandered the moral high ground on this when many of their number went into paroxysms of glee over creepy old internet urban legends about Lord McAlpine. In hindsight none of that was wise.0
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UKIPpers would throw the sweet out of the window and then scream because it was no longer in reach.DavidL said:I really wonder if the average tory backbencher would wait long enough to hear the explanation before they swallowed the sweet and demanded more.
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if this was a few months before a GE then it may just be raking over old coals. To do it now suggests there is another related story about. It is perhaps not right to speculate on what it might be on PB.AveryLP said:
A justification rather than a reason though.Scott_P said:
The Sun found a document in the NCCL archives, with Patricia Hewitt's name on it. They showed it to her. She has issued an apology.AveryLP said:
Very strange to see The Sun take over the baton from The Daily Mail.
An editorial decision must have been taken to splash on the story after a full week of the Mail leading.
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Quite.kle4 said:
While complaining it wasn't the type of sweet they wanted in the first place.DavidL said:
I have always wondered how the average tory backbencher would get on with the deferred gratification test. In the test young children have a sweet put in front of them without any obvious supervision but are told that they will get 2 sweets if they wait for their mother to get back. All children eventually eat the sweet but the time they wait is a remarkably accurate forecast of their future academic and professional progress.Morris_Dancer said:Indeed, Mr. kle4. Even though I think we should leave the backbenchers sometimes give the impression of having the self-control and strategic foresight of a six month old.
I really wonder if the average tory backbencher would wait long enough to hear the explanation before they swallowed the sweet and demanded more.
Running a government depending on that bunch of muppets is no easy task.
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Do we really need to go into the numbers game, really. Ok The Mirror/The People....err The Times, The Telegraph, The Mail, The Metro,The Express, The Sun, The Star....as I said, I expect an awful lot more of this and worse to come. I have mentioned this would happen for months, why are people surprised? I expect the last six months will be the worst press propaganda we will have ever seen in this country.Tykejohnno said:
The mirror,The peoplecompouter2 said:I don't see why people are stunned by The Sun headline, I have said this type of propganda will be the norm for the next election. Expect an awful lot more of this from The Sun/The Mail/The Express.
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SNP hopes that an independent Scotland will remain a thriving international finance centre have been blown apart by a succession of stark warnings from major institutions about the consequences of a “yes” vote in September’s referendum.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/business/industries/banking/article4018704.ece
Standard & Poor’s, the credit ratings agency, yesterday became the latest authority to question the viability of an independence settlement.0 -
calm down lad ;-)compouter2 said:
Do we really need to go into the numbers game, really. Ok The Mirror/The People....err The Times, The Telegraph, The Mail, The Express, The Sun, The Star....as I said, I expect an awful lot more of this and worse to come. I have mentioned this would happen for months, why are people surprised? I expect the last six months will be the worst press propaganda we will have ever seen in this country.Tykejohnno said:
The mirror,The peoplecompouter2 said:I don't see why people are stunned by The Sun headline, I have said this type of propganda will be the norm for the next election. Expect an awful lot more of this from The Sun/The Mail/The Express.
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Agree that is the most likely explanation.foxinsoxuk said:
if this was a few months before a GE then it may just be raking over old coals. To do it now suggests there is another related story about. It is perhaps not right to speculate on what it might be on PB.
AveryLP said:
A justification rather than a reason though.Scott_P said:
The Sun found a document in the NCCL archives, with Patricia Hewitt's name on it. They showed it to her. She has issued an apology.AveryLP said:
Very strange to see The Sun take over the baton from The Daily Mail.
An editorial decision must have been taken to splash on the story after a full week of the Mail leading.
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Aaah, it's like the 1980s all over again - poor, persecuted Labour and the Tory media moguls controlling everyone's brains.compouter2 said:I expect the last six months will be the worst press propaganda we will have ever seen in this country.
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I am trying to say that the papers are concentrating on something that happened 30-40 years ago in the hope that the Labour party of today will be damaged.If the papers had uncovered that a Labour shadow minister belonged to a Paedophile ring,I can understand this amount of coverage but does being associated with an organisation affliated to a wrongful organisation deserve this amount of condemnation?kle4 said:
Are you saying Labour papers never throw muck, or just not this extent of muck? It's a matter of degere, surely, not of good politically biased papers and bad politically biased papers?SMukesh said:So when is this event from?1983 or 1903.Let`s see how much mud can be thrown at Labour.Shows how desperate these Tory papers are to avoid a Miliband government.
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antifrank said:
I did say a few days ago that the course of this phase of this story would depend on what, if anything, Patricia Hewitt said.
Looking a few steps ahead, if the Sun's story remotely stacks up, Harriet Harman's aggressive attacks on the Mail are going to look very dissonant once this latest story is absorbed. She may have a lot of backtracking to do.
And Ed Miliband has backed Harriet Harman to the hilt so far. The chances of an awkward Ed Miliband moment have risen appreciably.
Adrian Hilton @Adrian_Hilton
Harman has been absolved by Ed Miliband, who said: "I don't set any store by these allegations." Patricia Hewitt has humiliated him #bbcqt
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I can't see the Guardian supporting the Lib Dems again, can you?compouter2 said:
The Mirror will respond in kind, tell me again which party the Observer and the Guardian supported at the last election? So no, I do not think they will.TwistedFireStopper said:
I take it you believe the Mirror, Guardian/Observer and Indy will play fair?compouter2 said:I don't see why people are stunned by The Sun headline, I have said this type of propganda will be the norm for the next election. Expect an awful lot more of this from The Sun/The Mail/The Express.
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Pity for the Tories that the press have less of an influence, so they need more gutter shock tactics to get their propoganda across.Stark_Dawning said:
Aaah, it's like the 1980s all over again - poor, persecuted Labour and the Tory media moguls controlling everyone's brains.compouter2 said:I expect the last six months will be the worst press propaganda we will have ever seen in this country.
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Well, that is a blast from the past.
Anyone who seriously criticises this government should look at the career of Patricia Hewitt. To think that she was actually Secretary of State for Trade and Industry for four years!
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Goodness me, 'pouter.compouter2 said:
I expect it may harden the resolve of some on the left. This is feck all compared to what we will see in the last six months of campaigning.Freggles said:
Surely either this will knock Labour's lead, or we can start to wonder if the repeated newspaper attacks on Labour are getting diminishing returns.BobaFett said:I'm absolutely stunned by that Sun headline.
What more skeletons are there in Labour's cupboard?
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I'm clear that that was your point, but while you were using this specific example to criticise the papers, the tone of the comment was unclear to me whether you felt such behaviour from the papers was a specifically Tory paper failing, or a newspaper industry failing. That is to say, whether this behaviour was something only a Tory paper would engage in, because I was uncertain as to whether you meant to include that implication in your point, or whether it was merely an inference I made from your point.SMukesh said:
I am trying to say that the papers are concentrating on something that happened 30-40 years ago in the hope that the Labour party of today will be damaged.If the papers had uncovered that a Labour shadow minister belonged to a Paedophile ring,I can understand this amount of coverage but does being associated with an organisation affliated to a wrongful organisation deserve this amount of condemnation?kle4 said:
Are you saying Labour papers never throw muck, or just not this extent of muck? It's a matter of degere, surely, not of good politically biased papers and bad politically biased papers?SMukesh said:So when is this event from?1983 or 1903.Let`s see how much mud can be thrown at Labour.Shows how desperate these Tory papers are to avoid a Miliband government.
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There will be loads, and if you cannot find any, well, just make them up.AveryLP said:
Goodness me, 'pouter.compouter2 said:
I expect it may harden the resolve of some on the left. This is feck all compared to what we will see in the last six months of campaigning.Freggles said:
Surely either this will knock Labour's lead, or we can start to wonder if the repeated newspaper attacks on Labour are getting diminishing returns.BobaFett said:I'm absolutely stunned by that Sun headline.
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http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/business/industries/banking/article4018704.eceScott_P said:SNP hopes that an independent Scotland will remain a thriving international finance centre have been blown apart by a succession of stark warnings from major institutions about the consequences of a “yes” vote in September’s referendum.
Standard & Poor’s, the credit ratings agency, yesterday became the latest authority to question the viability of an independence settlement.
Toom Tabard at it again, you really hate Scotland
Scotland could 'go it alone': Standard & Poor's
Ratings agency says there is "no fundamental reason" that Scotland could not float its own currency
S&P said a shrinking of Scotland's "unusually large" financial services sector could boost the country's sovereign credit rating by reducing the size of the economy's external balance sheet. Photo: Bloomberg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10665032/Scotland-could-go-it-alone-Standard-and-Poors.html0 -
Last time I read a Guardian editiorial it was proclaiming the positives of the Lib Dems in coalition. It wasn't long, but it was there. I expect them to sit on the fence.TwistedFireStopper said:
I can't see the Guardian supporting the Lib Dems again, can you?compouter2 said:
The Mirror will respond in kind, tell me again which party the Observer and the Guardian supported at the last election? So no, I do not think they will.TwistedFireStopper said:
I take it you believe the Mirror, Guardian/Observer and Indy will play fair?compouter2 said:I don't see why people are stunned by The Sun headline, I have said this type of propganda will be the norm for the next election. Expect an awful lot more of this from The Sun/The Mail/The Express.
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No talking about phone hacking, we're already under enough stress with the PIE story without that particular can of worms being opened up0
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Are you suggesting Tories are inherently worse people than Labour supporters, and so they engage in shifty tactics Labour would never dare employ? As a fence sitter I just want to be clear, as there's a lot of anger getting thrown around here.compouter2 said:
Pity for the Tories that the press have less of an influence, so they need more gutter shock tactics to get their propoganda across.Stark_Dawning said:
Aaah, it's like the 1980s all over again - poor, persecuted Labour and the Tory media moguls controlling everyone's brains.compouter2 said:I expect the last six months will be the worst press propaganda we will have ever seen in this country.
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No, UKIPpers would point out that what was being presented as a sweet was actually a brussels sprout.Richard_Nabavi said:
UKIPpers would throw the sweet out of the window and then scream because it was no longer in reach.DavidL said:I really wonder if the average tory backbencher would wait long enough to hear the explanation before they swallowed the sweet and demanded more.
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Tyke I am very calm, in fact The Sun headline gives me a sense of vindication.Tykejohnno said:
calm down lad ;-)compouter2 said:
Do we really need to go into the numbers game, really. Ok The Mirror/The People....err The Times, The Telegraph, The Mail, The Express, The Sun, The Star....as I said, I expect an awful lot more of this and worse to come. I have mentioned this would happen for months, why are people surprised? I expect the last six months will be the worst press propaganda we will have ever seen in this country.Tykejohnno said:
The mirror,The peoplecompouter2 said:I don't see why people are stunned by The Sun headline, I have said this type of propganda will be the norm for the next election. Expect an awful lot more of this from The Sun/The Mail/The Express.
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Flipping heck, the party that encouraged Brown, McBride, Watson and Draper bleating about being in the gutter!compouter2 said:
Pity for the Tories that the press have less of an influence, so they need more gutter shock tactics to get their propoganda across.Stark_Dawning said:
Aaah, it's like the 1980s all over again - poor, persecuted Labour and the Tory media moguls controlling everyone's brains.compouter2 said:I expect the last six months will be the worst press propaganda we will have ever seen in this country.
I'm crying for you, you must be so ashamed,
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The Tory papers have longer arms and more reach than the Labour ones.But it is laughable that they ignore the big elephant in the room of an incompetent incumbent government and go after real and imagined Labour sins of eons ago.kle4 said:
I'm clear that that was your point, but while you were using this specific example to criticise the papers, the tone of the comment was unclear to me whether you felt such behaviour from the papers was a specifically Tory paper failing, or a newspaper industry failing. That is to say, whether this behaviour was something only a Tory paper would engage in, because I was uncertain as to whether you meant to include that implication in your point, or whether it was merely an inference I made from your point.SMukesh said:
I am trying to say that the papers are concentrating on something that happened 30-40 years ago in the hope that the Labour party of today will be damaged.If the papers had uncovered that a Labour shadow minister belonged to a Paedophile ring,I can understand this amount of coverage but does being associated with an organisation affliated to a wrongful organisation deserve this amount of condemnation?kle4 said:
Are you saying Labour papers never throw muck, or just not this extent of muck? It's a matter of degere, surely, not of good politically biased papers and bad politically biased papers?SMukesh said:So when is this event from?1983 or 1903.Let`s see how much mud can be thrown at Labour.Shows how desperate these Tory papers are to avoid a Miliband government.
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Yes, you are right.Richard_Tyndall said:No, UKIPpers would point out that what was being presented as a sweet was actually a brussels sprout.
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Is it pertinent that Hewitt was married to a Tory MP when she joined the NCCL?0
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Fascinating. Libel lawyers on standby?Tykejohnno said:It looks like the sun as taken the baton from the mail.
Friday's Sun front page - "Labour chiefs: It's ok to have sex with 10-yr-olds" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/XaLhd4jGd0
https://twitter.com/TheSunNewspaper
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I thought she had married the son of a Tory MP.JonnyJimmy said:Is it pertinent that Hewitt was married to a Tory MP when she joined the NCCL?
But both the son and father had the same name.
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Well, government incompetence won't sell as many papers of course, since it's something everyone assumes whether it is true or not. I'm certainly not defending that headline, which short of a smoking gun which justifies it is incredibly shocking, but historical scandals are actually more newsworthy than 'Oh, by the way, the government is crap' or 'Car bombs erupt in Iraq again'. It's at least something people were not aware of.SMukesh said:
The Tory papers have longer arms and more reach than the Labour ones.But it is laughable that they ignore the big elephant in the room of an incompetent incumbent government and go after real and imagined Labour sins of eons ago.kle4 said:
I'm clear that that was your point, but while you were using this specific example to criticise the papers, the tone of the comment was unclear to me whether you felt such behaviour from the papers was a specifically Tory paper failing, or a newspaper industry failing. That is to say, whether this behaviour was something only a Tory paper would engage in, because I was uncertain as to whether you meant to include that implication in your point, or whether it was merely an inference I made from your point.SMukesh said:
I am trying to say that the papers are concentrating on something that happened 30-40 years ago in the hope that the Labour party of today will be damaged.If the papers had uncovered that a Labour shadow minister belonged to a Paedophile ring,I can understand this amount of coverage but does being associated with an organisation affliated to a wrongful organisation deserve this amount of condemnation?kle4 said:
Are you saying Labour papers never throw muck, or just not this extent of muck? It's a matter of degere, surely, not of good politically biased papers and bad politically biased papers?SMukesh said:So when is this event from?1983 or 1903.Let`s see how much mud can be thrown at Labour.Shows how desperate these Tory papers are to avoid a Miliband government.
And if the only difference between the Tory papers and the Labour papers when it comes to these sort of tactics is reach, I don't see much point getting too angry over specific failings one side when they run these types of story, as we know the others would do the same apparently. Definitely worth condemnation, but hardly passion, as the problem is not those of a political view, and how dare they run this type of thing, but why on earth are both sides such assholes?
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Quite correct, apologies for that mistake.TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought she had married the son of a Tory MP.JonnyJimmy said:Is it pertinent that Hewitt was married to a Tory MP when she joined the NCCL?
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http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/business/industries/banking/article4018704.eceScott_P said:SNP hopes that an independent Scotland will remain a thriving international finance centre have been blown apart by a succession of stark warnings from major institutions about the consequences of a “yes” vote in September’s referendum.
Standard & Poor’s, the credit ratings agency, yesterday became the latest authority to question the viability of an independence settlement.
Axe to grind, much?
“Even excluding North Sea output and calculating per capita GDP only by looking at onshore income, Scotland would qualify for our highest economic assessment. Higher GDP per capita, in our view, gives a country a broader potential tax and funding base to draw from, which supports creditworthiness.
We view Scotland’s trend growth as closely matching that of the UK. While North Sea output (again on a geographical, rather than population-derived basis) accounts for 16% of Scottish GDP (calculated using data from the Scottish government’s experimental national accounts project), this does not, under our methodology, lead us to conclude that the economy is excessively concentrated. We typically only adjust for excess economic concentration should a single sector exceed one-fifth of a country’s GDP.”
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I think the pertinent fact I was searching for was that she was a Tory supporter at that time!TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought she had married the son of a Tory MP.JonnyJimmy said:Is it pertinent that Hewitt was married to a Tory MP when she joined the NCCL?
But both the son and father had the same name.0 -
James David G-W and David Julian G-W although as you point out they both used 'David'TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought she had married the son of a Tory MP.JonnyJimmy said:Is it pertinent that Hewitt was married to a Tory MP when she joined the NCCL?
But both the son and father had the same name.
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I met Patricia Hewitt shortly after she took over from Greville Janner as MP for Leicester West, when I was in the party.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greville_Janner,_Baron_Janner_of_Braunstone
She underwhelmed me from the start, but after her work for NCCL, she was Neil Kinnocks press secretary and parachuted into a safe seat, she was groomed for higher places. Her stint at Trade and Industry was at a peak time for running down British Industry, before she went on to trash British Medicine with the disastrous MMC/MTAS fiasco.
She symbolises to me the rot within the party, where connections get political promotion, and then lucrative post parliament private sector jobs. She is arrogant and patronising, but I do not think that she was involved in paedophilia herself, other than being duped by them.Richard_Nabavi said:Well, that is a blast from the past.
Anyone who seriously criticises this government should look at the career of Patricia Hewitt. To think that she was actually Secretary of State for Trade and Industry for four years!
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There were only a dozen people working the NCCL at the time. That small enough that everyone knows everyone else's business. In other words, it's incredible that Harman wasn't aware of the ten year old policy.
I bet the journalist from WATO is kicking themselves. They went to the British Library and came back with the Gould link. I wonder where the Sun found the Hewitt press release. These separate finds suggest it's worth digging deeper and in other places.0 -
Toom Tabard at it again, you really hate Scotlandmalcolmg said:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/business/industries/banking/article4018704.eceScott_P said:SNP hopes that an independent Scotland will remain a thriving international finance centre have been blown apart by a succession of stark warnings from major institutions about the consequences of a “yes” vote in September’s referendum.
Standard & Poor’s, the credit ratings agency, yesterday became the latest authority to question the viability of an independence settlement.
Scotland could 'go it alone': Standard & Poor's
Ratings agency says there is "no fundamental reason" that Scotland could not float its own currency
S&P said a shrinking of Scotland's "unusually large" financial services sector could boost the country's sovereign credit rating by reducing the size of the economy's external balance sheet. Photo: Bloomberg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10665032/Scotland-could-go-it-alone-Standard-and-Poors.html
In my view, the model being offered to Scotland now going it alone: Own Currency, Outside the EU, plenty of North Sea Oil hmmmmm there's a nation with 4 million people a ferry ride away from Aberdeen doing rather well with those characteristics. Who are Standard Life and the Royal Bank of Sinners to say that Scotland can't go it alone?!!! They really are clueless - Standard Life political neutrality, give me a break David Nish!
Speaking of the Royal Bank of Sinners - over £46 billion lost since 2007, £6bn of that in stinking bonuses. I said they should have let it go bust in 2008 - that's what the Icelanders did, and they've had the most robust recovery since 2008. Its not rocket science.
And as for the Sun headline - welcome back the world of polarising politics. That's what bear markets are all about - no more mushy Blairite centrist politics.0 -
Scotter result Conservative hold Con 577 LD 3010
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This is the same Sun that used to publish photos of topless 16-year-olds?BobaFett said:I'm absolutely stunned by that Sun headline.
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Who is bleating, I am just stating a fact. As I say, I have a sense of vindication with The Sun headlines. Either way, they can all throw as much crap as they want. Labour will still win the election and election night on here will be fantastic.TwistedFireStopper said:
Flipping heck, the party that encouraged Brown, McBride, Watson and Draper bleating about being in the gutter!compouter2 said:
Pity for the Tories that the press have less of an influence, so they need more gutter shock tactics to get their propoganda across.Stark_Dawning said:
Aaah, it's like the 1980s all over again - poor, persecuted Labour and the Tory media moguls controlling everyone's brains.compouter2 said:I expect the last six months will be the worst press propaganda we will have ever seen in this country.
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Well, that seems like a good point to call it a night then.MarkSenior said:Scotter result Conservative hold Con 577 LD 301
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But, assuming you are right, then what?compouter2 said:Who is bleating, I am just stating a fact. As I say, I have a sense of vindication with The Sun headlines. Either way, they can all throw as much crap as they want. Labour will still win the election and election night on here will be fantastic.
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Thanks for the explanation!PBModerator said:
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I met her a couple of years ago because of her connections with India ( http://www.ukibc.com/ukibc/about_ukibc/board/patricia_hewitt.aspx ) through the company I used to work for. She seemed pleasant enough, but I didnt get to know her sufficiently to judge her further.foxinsoxuk said:I met Patricia Hewitt shortly after she took over from Greville Janner as MP for Leicester West, when I was in the party.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greville_Janner,_Baron_Janner_of_Braunstone
She underwhelmed me from the start, but after her work for NCCL, she was Neil Kinnocks press secretary and parachuted into a safe seat, she was groomed for higher places. Her stint at Trade and Industry was at a peak time for running down British Industry, before she went on to trash British Medicine with the disastrous MMC/MTAS fiasco.
She symbolises to me the rot within the party, where connections get political promotion, and then lucrative post parliament private sector jobs. She is arrogant and patronising, but I do not think that she was involved in paedophilia herself, other than being duped by them.Richard_Nabavi said:Well, that is a blast from the past.
Anyone who seriously criticises this government should look at the career of Patricia Hewitt. To think that she was actually Secretary of State for Trade and Industry for four years!
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There's a bigger story out there, it looks like. I wonder when it will break. Hewitt deserves a kicking over what she did. It was typical leftie late 70s cultural posturing designed to shake-up and shock what was deemed a repressive society. But in seeking to link it to today's Labour party, via the headline at least, the Sun has overplayed its hand. A nuclear party political paedophile war fought through the press is a pretty repulsive prospect.0
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I didn't mention Tories being worse. I stated this will be nothing compared to the last six months from the Tory Press. No anger coming from me kle4, I'm a lover not a hater.kle4 said:
Are you suggesting Tories are inherently worse people than Labour supporters, and so they engage in shifty tactics Labour would never dare employ? As a fence sitter I just want to be clear, as there's a lot of anger getting thrown around here.compouter2 said:
Pity for the Tories that the press have less of an influence, so they need more gutter shock tactics to get their propoganda across.Stark_Dawning said:
Aaah, it's like the 1980s all over again - poor, persecuted Labour and the Tory media moguls controlling everyone's brains.compouter2 said:I expect the last six months will be the worst press propaganda we will have ever seen in this country.
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Then you can tell me to calm down Mr compouter ;-)compouter2 said:
Who is bleating, I am just stating a fact. As I say, I have a sense of vindication with The Sun headlines. Either way, they can all throw as much crap as they want. Labour will still win the election and election night on here will be fantastic.TwistedFireStopper said:
Flipping heck, the party that encouraged Brown, McBride, Watson and Draper bleating about being in the gutter!compouter2 said:
Pity for the Tories that the press have less of an influence, so they need more gutter shock tactics to get their propoganda across.Stark_Dawning said:
Aaah, it's like the 1980s all over again - poor, persecuted Labour and the Tory media moguls controlling everyone's brains.compouter2 said:I expect the last six months will be the worst press propaganda we will have ever seen in this country.
I'm crying for you, you must be so ashamed,
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Is Patricia Hewitt the sole basis for that Sun headline? If so, ascribing a brief health secretary of yesteryear who no longer plays any key part in the Labour party (or indeed, had even been suspended from the party at last count), as "Labour chiefs", is extremely misleading and quite possibly libellous. It would be the equivalent of running a headline "Tories want to hang Mandela" on the basis of a loose affiliate of the party once having those views.
That's even leaving aside the issue of whether what Hewitt said can be remotely construed as endorsing paedophilia (I haven't read what the Sun have dug up yet so will reserve comment).0 -
Tyke, I will also allocate you one of the marginals pre-election, just so you can get join in with the celebrating. We can all get excited together then.Tykejohnno said:
Then you can tell me to calm down Mr compouter ;-)compouter2 said:
Who is bleating, I am just stating a fact. As I say, I have a sense of vindication with The Sun headlines. Either way, they can all throw as much crap as they want. Labour will still win the election and election night on here will be fantastic.TwistedFireStopper said:
Flipping heck, the party that encouraged Brown, McBride, Watson and Draper bleating about being in the gutter!compouter2 said:
Pity for the Tories that the press have less of an influence, so they need more gutter shock tactics to get their propoganda across.Stark_Dawning said:
Aaah, it's like the 1980s all over again - poor, persecuted Labour and the Tory media moguls controlling everyone's brains.compouter2 said:I expect the last six months will be the worst press propaganda we will have ever seen in this country.
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Why is it propaganda?compouter2 said:I don't see why people are stunned by The Sun headline, I have said this type of propganda will be the norm for the next election. Expect an awful lot more of this from The Sun/The Mail/The Express.
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Germany has low growth, (lower than ours right now), fairly dismal demographics (worse than ours), and an education system which shows as average in the PISA rankings. Its energy policy is a mess and its manufacturing success since 1990 is now under severe threat from China (and others).SeanT said:
True, meandering, but you still haven't answered the question, when people demand a single currency to trade in, do you use sterling which while at the moment is supposedly strong but because of QE, printing of notes and the ramping of the property market in souf east Engerlund for a political advantage, or do you consider using a different currency?Edin_Rokz said:smithersjones2013 said:Edin_Rokz said:
Europhiliac former Blairite EU SPAD and EU gravy train insider repeats the same old garbage he's been spouting for 20 years. Go figure.smithersjones2013 said:Britain should keep open possibility of joining euro, says Labour frontbencherk
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/26/britain-possibility-joining-euro-labour-frontbencher
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Liddle
Now, this may seem difficult to understand, but do we use a currency used by 60 million in one country, or do we use a one in use by 300 million to a billion people that we could just possibly have an input into.
Of course until the whole globe adopts the Euro (I will not be holding my breath) there will continue to be the inconvenience of exchange rate commission to be paid. In my view, for this country that's a small price to be paid to ensure that little old UK with its paltry population of 60 million keeps total control over its financial future.
The Euro is backed by Germany, a high productive manufacturing country rather than a country that thinks a major company should pay more in bonuses to it's staff than it pays to shareholders, even when it doesn't make any profit.
The worship of Germany is absurd. It did OK in the Great Recession, when others didn't. Why? Because it makes stuff that China wants AT THE MOMENT, and because it benefits from an artificially devalued currency which destroys nations on the periphery of the EU.
And that's about it.
On the other hand they really are better than us at football. At least at World Cups.
Germany is running surpluses of close to 150 billion pounds for the last two years while Osborne managed to shave off 5 billion from his 100 billion plus deficit.
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I think they've got Jack Dromey on the front page, but no Harman,SouthamObserver said:There's a bigger story out there, it looks like. I wonder when it will break. Hewitt deserves a kicking over what she did. It was typical leftie late 70s cultural posturing designed to shake-up and shock what was deemed a repressive society. But in seeking to link it to today's Labour party, via the headline at least, the Sun has overplayed its hand. A nuclear party political paedophile war fought through the press is a pretty repulsive prospect.
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It's going to be a fascinating election campaign. The last couple of US presidential elections have thrown some outrageous slurs and smears out with both sides desperate and convinced the victory of the opponent would be the end of civilisation. The UK feels pretty polarised now too, far more than in recent years.
And despite all the abuse thrown at Ed I sense that there is an increasing air of desperation coming from the establishment about the prospect of a Labour win. Why? Because they don't control the party any more, Cameron is one of them, their placeman successfully led a coup to turn the LibDems into New LibDems, but in Labour the wrong brother won ending their New Labour coup turning the party in an unfriendly to them direction.
So one one side you have the combined churches charities and community groups showing how Tory policies are destroying lives, on the other you have the Mail and The Sun's front pages of this last week. Its going to be a bloody war.0 -
The calm down bit,will not be celebrating,crying with anger more like mr compouter ;-)compouter2 said:
Tyke, I will also allocate you one of the marginals pre-election, just so you can get join in with the celebrating. We can all get excited together then.Tykejohnno said:
Then you can tell me to calm down Mr compouter ;-)compouter2 said:
Who is bleating, I am just stating a fact. As I say, I have a sense of vindication with The Sun headlines. Either way, they can all throw as much crap as they want. Labour will still win the election and election night on here will be fantastic.TwistedFireStopper said:
Flipping heck, the party that encouraged Brown, McBride, Watson and Draper bleating about being in the gutter!compouter2 said:
Pity for the Tories that the press have less of an influence, so they need more gutter shock tactics to get their propoganda across.Stark_Dawning said:
Aaah, it's like the 1980s all over again - poor, persecuted Labour and the Tory media moguls controlling everyone's brains.compouter2 said:I expect the last six months will be the worst press propaganda we will have ever seen in this country.
I'm crying for you, you must be so ashamed,
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Yep, Greville Janner was MP for Leicester West before Hewitt. The seat is now held by the delightful Liz Kendall, who you may have caught me swooning over after QT last week.SeanT said:
Greville Janner??foxinsoxuk said:I met Patricia Hewitt shortly after she took over from Greville Janner as MP for Leicester West, when I was in the party.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greville_Janner,_Baron_Janner_of_Braunstone
She underwhelmed me from the start, but after her work for NCCL, she was Neil Kinnocks press secretary and parachuted into a safe seat, she was groomed for higher places. Her stint at Trade and Industry was at a peak time for running down British Industry, before she went on to trash British Medicine with the disastrous MMC/MTAS fiasco.
She symbolises to me the rot within the party, where connections get political promotion, and then lucrative post parliament private sector jobs. She is arrogant and patronising, but I do not think that she was involved in paedophilia herself, other than being duped by them.Richard_Nabavi said:Well, that is a blast from the past.
Anyone who seriously criticises this government should look at the career of Patricia Hewitt. To think that she was actually Secretary of State for Trade and Industry for four years!
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It's a story about Hewitt, it seems. Not sure if she has anything to do with Labour these days. This looks like the start of something. My guess is we'll be getting a few more stories from the 70s and 80s over the coming weeks.Danny565 said:Is Patricia Hewitt the sole basis for that Sun headline? If so, ascribing a brief health secretary of yesteryear who no longer plays any key part in the Labour party (or indeed, had even been suspended from the party at last count), as "Labour chiefs", is extremely misleading and quite possibly libellous. It would be the equivalent of running a headline "Tories want to hang Mandela" on the basis of a loose affiliate of the party once having those views.
That's even leaving aside the issue of whether what Hewitt said can be remotely construed as endorsing paedophilia (I haven't read what the Sun have dug up yet so will reserve comment).
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Those allocated marginal seats will be able to share in my happiness. Those that miss out or are allocated a mariginal seat that Labour don't win will be left to gnash teeth and play the blame game.Richard_Nabavi said:
But, assuming you are right, then what?compouter2 said:Who is bleating, I am just stating a fact. As I say, I have a sense of vindication with The Sun headlines. Either way, they can all throw as much crap as they want. Labour will still win the election and election night on here will be fantastic.
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In what universe is 600million euro 'close to' 150 billion pounds. LOLSMukesh said:
Germany is running surpluses of close to 150 billion pounds for the last two years while Osborne managed to shave off 5 billion from his 100 billion plus deficit.
http://www.dw.de/germany-achieves-budget-surplus-as-recovery-continues/a-17454992
Ah, the universe of TRADE surpluses! ;-) You seem to be conflating the two types of surpluses/deficit though.0 -
Absolutely brilliant post that anyone with a shred of decency should take notice of.Y0kel said:
People backing pedophilia, philosophically or in practice, should be shot, not metaphorically, for real. Its exploitation, causes misery and has no excuse. If one of these public figures figures was seen to be putting their names to such backing, past or present then they deserve exposure. It wasn't as if back in the 70s or 80s people did not understand the misery of pedophile abuse, it wasn't as if such abuse was legal. It was just more easily hidden.SMukesh said:So when is this event from?1983 or 1903.Let`s see how much mud can be thrown at Labour.Shows how desperate these Tory papers are to avoid a Miliband government.
No amount of party political loyalty should result in supporting these individuals if it turns out any backed a pro-pedophilia stance.
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Bringing Westminster into disrepute is not what Alistair Darling needs right now. You'd almost think that Murdoch wants to rid England of 41 SLAB MPs.SouthamObserver said:A nuclear party political paedophile war fought through the press is a pretty repulsive prospect.
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I hope it is. I detest all the parties, I want them to tear lumps out of each other. I want front page splashes about scandals, the more far fetched, the better. Surely GCHQ can rustle up a few webcam captures showing an MP inappropriately using kitchen utensils that they can pass on to the press?RochdalePioneers said:It's going to be a fascinating election campaign. The last couple of US presidential elections have thrown some outrageous slurs and smears out with both sides desperate and convinced the victory of the opponent would be the end of civilisation. The UK feels pretty polarised now too, far more than in recent years.
And despite all the abuse thrown at Ed I sense that there is an increasing air of desperation coming from the establishment about the prospect of a Labour win. Why? Because they don't control the party any more, Cameron is one of them, their placeman successfully led a coup to turn the LibDems into New LibDems, but in Labour the wrong brother won ending their New Labour coup turning the party in an unfriendly to them direction.
So one one side you have the combined churches charities and community groups showing how Tory policies are destroying lives, on the other you have the Mail and The Sun's front pages of this last week. Its going to be a bloody war.
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Na, it was me being a numpty and not realising we were talking about trade deficits. I better go to bed...Scott_P said:
Labour mathsRobD said:
In what universe is 600million euro 'close to' 150 billion pounds. LOL
A bankers bonus tax that raises 600m Euro can be used to fund 150bn pounds of spending commitments0 -
You see that is why I will be allocating the PB Hodges a Labour candidate in a marginal to follow. I fear when Labour win the election that this place on the night will be full of negativity and anger. If everyone gets a marginal seat, we can all have our own little personal cheer for each seat and put aside the gnashing of teeth and anger. Don't worry I will give you a very close marginal with a cetain Labour win. I couldn't be sat there celebrating knowing you were ripping down your Stuat McCall posters down in fits of anger.Tykejohnno said:
The calm down bit,will not be celebrating,crying with anger more like mr compouter ;-)compouter2 said:
Tyke, I will also allocate you one of the marginals pre-election, just so you can get join in with the celebrating. We can all get excited together then.Tykejohnno said:
Then you can tell me to calm down Mr compouter ;-)compouter2 said:
Who is bleating, I am just stating a fact. As I say, I have a sense of vindication with The Sun headlines. Either way, they can all throw as much crap as they want. Labour will still win the election and election night on here will be fantastic.TwistedFireStopper said:
Flipping heck, the party that encouraged Brown, McBride, Watson and Draper bleating about being in the gutter!compouter2 said:
Pity for the Tories that the press have less of an influence, so they need more gutter shock tactics to get their propoganda across.Stark_Dawning said:
Aaah, it's like the 1980s all over again - poor, persecuted Labour and the Tory media moguls controlling everyone's brains.compouter2 said:I expect the last six months will be the worst press propaganda we will have ever seen in this country.
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I think, and I apologise if I am wrong, that cCompouter is from Self Pity City, if so then expect more of this 'it's not fair' rubbishStark_Dawning said:
Aaah, it's like the 1980s all over again - poor, persecuted Labour and the Tory media moguls controlling everyone's brains.compouter2 said:I expect the last six months will be the worst press propaganda we will have ever seen in this country.
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I think it may be more to do with other, soon to be printed stories.Stuart_Dickson said:
Bringing Westminster into disrepute is not what Alistair Darling needs right now. You'd almost think that Murdoch wants to rid England of 41 SLAB MPs.SouthamObserver said:A nuclear party political paedophile war fought through the press is a pretty repulsive prospect.
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Mr Dromney is also mentioned.Danny565 said:Is Patricia Hewitt the sole basis for that Sun headline? If so, ascribing a brief health secretary of yesteryear who no longer plays any key part in the Labour party (or indeed, had even been suspended from the party at last count), as "Labour chiefs", is extremely misleading and quite possibly libellous. It would be the equivalent of running a headline "Tories want to hang Mandela" on the basis of a loose affiliate of the party once having those views.
That's even leaving aside the issue of whether what Hewitt said can be remotely construed as endorsing paedophilia (I haven't read what the Sun have dug up yet so will reserve comment).
"she and Jack Dromney, now a Labour MP, were members of a committee recommending a revolutionary change in child sex laws"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bhg5eKXIQAAmoMg.jpg
It could be 'Labour chiefs'…of the NCCL?
"Miss Hewitt - general secretary of the Council from 1974 to 1983 … Mr Dromey sat on the council’s executive committee for almost a decade, from 1970 to 1979"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10659100/Harriet-Harman-Jack-Dromey-Patricia-Hewitt-and-the-Paedophile-Information-Exchange.html0 -
Post of the day!TwistedFireStopper said:
I hope it is. I detest all the parties, I want them to tear lumps out of each other. I want front page splashes about scandals, the more far fetched, the better. Surely GCHQ can rustle up a few webcam captures showing an MP inappropriately using kitchen utensils that they can pass on to the press?RochdalePioneers said:It's going to be a fascinating election campaign. The last couple of US presidential elections have thrown some outrageous slurs and smears out with both sides desperate and convinced the victory of the opponent would be the end of civilisation. The UK feels pretty polarised now too, far more than in recent years.
And despite all the abuse thrown at Ed I sense that there is an increasing air of desperation coming from the establishment about the prospect of a Labour win. Why? Because they don't control the party any more, Cameron is one of them, their placeman successfully led a coup to turn the LibDems into New LibDems, but in Labour the wrong brother won ending their New Labour coup turning the party in an unfriendly to them direction.
So one one side you have the combined churches charities and community groups showing how Tory policies are destroying lives, on the other you have the Mail and The Sun's front pages of this last week. Its going to be a bloody war.0 -
Thanks.Yes,it`s current account surplus was 150 billion pounds.RobD said:
Na, it was me being a numpty and not realising we were talking about trade deficits. I better go to bed...Scott_P said:
Labour mathsRobD said:
In what universe is 600million euro 'close to' 150 billion pounds. LOL
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I am afraid you are wrong Nigel.nigel4england said:
I think, and I apologise if I am wrong, that cCompouter is from Self Pity City, if so then expect more of this 'it's not fair' rubbishStark_Dawning said:
Aaah, it's like the 1980s all over again - poor, persecuted Labour and the Tory media moguls controlling everyone's brains.compouter2 said:I expect the last six months will be the worst press propaganda we will have ever seen in this country.
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Posters = shoddy,Quilts and curtains to match,get it right ;-)compouter2 said:
You see that is why I will be allocating the PB Hodges a Labour candidate in a marginal to follow. I fear when Labour win the election that this place on the night will be full of negativity and anger. If everyone gets a marginal seat, we can all have our own little personal cheer for each seat and put aside the gnashing of teeth and anger. Don't worry I will give you a very close marginal with a cetain Labour win. I couldn't be sat there celebrating knowing you were ripping down your Stuat McCall posters down in fits of anger.Tykejohnno said:
The calm down bit,will not be celebrating,crying with anger more like mr compouter ;-)compouter2 said:
Tyke, I will also allocate you one of the marginals pre-election, just so you can get join in with the celebrating. We can all get excited together then.Tykejohnno said:
Then you can tell me to calm down Mr compouter ;-)compouter2 said:
Who is bleating, I am just stating a fact. As I say, I have a sense of vindication with The Sun headlines. Either way, they can all throw as much crap as they want. Labour will still win the election and election night on here will be fantastic.TwistedFireStopper said:
Flipping heck, the party that encouraged Brown, McBride, Watson and Draper bleating about being in the gutter!compouter2 said:
Pity for the Tories that the press have less of an influence, so they need more gutter shock tactics to get their propoganda across.Stark_Dawning said:
Aaah, it's like the 1980s all over again - poor, persecuted Labour and the Tory media moguls controlling everyone's brains.compouter2 said:I expect the last six months will be the worst press propaganda we will have ever seen in this country.
I'm crying for you, you must be so ashamed,
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'During this period, the Council stepped in to defend paedophiles against “hysterical and inaccurate” newspaper attacks.'anotherDave said:
Mr Dromney is also mentioned.Danny565 said:Is Patricia Hewitt the sole basis for that Sun headline? If so, ascribing a brief health secretary of yesteryear who no longer plays any key part in the Labour party (or indeed, had even been suspended from the party at last count), as "Labour chiefs", is extremely misleading and quite possibly libellous. It would be the equivalent of running a headline "Tories want to hang Mandela" on the basis of a loose affiliate of the party once having those views.
That's even leaving aside the issue of whether what Hewitt said can be remotely construed as endorsing paedophilia (I haven't read what the Sun have dug up yet so will reserve comment).
"she and Jack Dromney, now a Labour MP, were members of a committee recommending a revolutionary change in child sex laws"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bhg5eKXIQAAmoMg.jpg
It could be 'Labour chiefs'…of the NCCL?
"Miss Hewitt - general secretary of the Council from 1974 to 1983 … Mr Dromey sat on the council’s executive committee for almost a decade, from 1970 to 1979"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10659100/Harriet-Harman-Jack-Dromey-Patricia-Hewitt-and-the-Paedophile-Information-Exchange.html
That's unforgivable. Shocking. What on earth were the NCCL thinking?
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Seeing as we are both Stuat McCall appreciators, you can have Corby. I don't think I would be able to sleep if I thought the curtains were being shredded. I am going to link you up to the Labour candidate closer to the time. I just couldn't have me being happy on election night and the vast majority on here being miffed, it just wouldn't be right.Tykejohnno said:
Posters = shoddy,Quilts and curtains to match,get it right ;-)compouter2 said:
You see that is why I will be allocating the PB Hodges a Labour candidate in a marginal to follow. I fear when Labour win the election that this place on the night will be full of negativity and anger. If everyone gets a marginal seat, we can all have our own little personal cheer for each seat and put aside the gnashing of teeth and anger. Don't worry I will give you a very close marginal with a cetain Labour win. I couldn't be sat there celebrating knowing you were ripping down your Stuat McCall posters down in fits of anger.Tykejohnno said:
The calm down bit,will not be celebrating,crying with anger more like mr compouter ;-)compouter2 said:
Tyke, I will also allocate you one of the marginals pre-election, just so you can get join in with the celebrating. We can all get excited together then.Tykejohnno said:
Then you can tell me to calm down Mr compouter ;-)compouter2 said:
Who is bleating, I am just stating a fact. As I say, I have a sense of vindication with The Sun headlines. Either way, they can all throw as much crap as they want. Labour will still win the election and election night on here will be fantastic.TwistedFireStopper said:
Flipping heck, the party that encouraged Brown, McBride, Watson and Draper bleating about being in the gutter!compouter2 said:
Pity for the Tories that the press have less of an influence, so they need more gutter shock tactics to get their propoganda across.Stark_Dawning said:
Aaah, it's like the 1980s all over again - poor, persecuted Labour and the Tory media moguls controlling everyone's brains.compouter2 said:I expect the last six months will be the worst press propaganda we will have ever seen in this country.
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Thanks - lolcompouter2 said:
Seeing as we are both Stuat McCall appreciators, you can have Corby. I don't think I would be able to sleep if I thought the curtains were being shredded. I am going to link you up to the Labour candidate closer to the time. I just couldn't have me being happy on election night and the vast majority on here being miffed, it just wouldn't be right.Tykejohnno said:
Posters = shoddy,Quilts and curtains to match,get it right ;-)compouter2 said:
You see that is why I will be allocating the PB Hodges a Labour candidate in a marginal to follow. I fear when Labour win the election that this place on the night will be full of negativity and anger. If everyone gets a marginal seat, we can all have our own little personal cheer for each seat and put aside the gnashing of teeth and anger. Don't worry I will give you a very close marginal with a cetain Labour win. I couldn't be sat there celebrating knowing you were ripping down your Stuat McCall posters down in fits of anger.Tykejohnno said:
The calm down bit,will not be celebrating,crying with anger more like mr compouter ;-)compouter2 said:
Tyke, I will also allocate you one of the marginals pre-election, just so you can get join in with the celebrating. We can all get excited together then.Tykejohnno said:
Then you can tell me to calm down Mr compouter ;-)compouter2 said:
Who is bleating, I am just stating a fact. As I say, I have a sense of vindication with The Sun headlines. Either way, they can all throw as much crap as they want. Labour will still win the election and election night on here will be fantastic.TwistedFireStopper said:
Flipping heck, the party that encouraged Brown, McBride, Watson and Draper bleating about being in the gutter!compouter2 said:
Pity for the Tories that the press have less of an influence, so they need more gutter shock tactics to get their propoganda across.Stark_Dawning said:
Aaah, it's like the 1980s all over again - poor, persecuted Labour and the Tory media moguls controlling everyone's brains.compouter2 said:I expect the last six months will be the worst press propaganda we will have ever seen in this country.
I'm crying for you, you must be so ashamed,
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http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?day=7&month=5&msg=UK+General+Election&p0=0&year=2015
So we can all count down to the day of Ed's winning together. I'm feeling the love in here tonight.0 -
Which is the fault of Ed Miliband. This wouldn't have happened under Blair. Blair went out of his way to build a big tent and courted the Mail and the Murdoch press as well as the City.Stark_Dawning said:
Aaah, it's like the 1980s all over again - poor, persecuted Labour and the Tory media moguls controlling everyone's brains.compouter2 said:I expect the last six months will be the worst press propaganda we will have ever seen in this country.
Miliband on the other hand has gone out of his way to make enemies there. The result is likely to be more hostile press coverage nearer the election plus lots of anti-Labour billboards paid for by Hedge Fund owners.0 -
Unless you know the full circumstances how do you know it is unforgiveable? This is one of the problems with partial reporting of stuff that happened 40 years ago. I find it amazing that people espousing such views were able to be in a publicly identifiable, organised group for so long without attracting serious police attention and/or being closed down. There have been claims they even received government funding over an extended period.TheWatcher said:
'During this period, the Council stepped in to defend paedophiles against “hysterical and inaccurate” newspaper attacks.'anotherDave said:
Mr Dromney is also mentioned.Danny565 said:Is Patricia Hewitt the sole basis for that Sun headline? If so, ascribing a brief health secretary of yesteryear who no longer plays any key part in the Labour party (or indeed, had even been suspended from the party at last count), as "Labour chiefs", is extremely misleading and quite possibly libellous. It would be the equivalent of running a headline "Tories want to hang Mandela" on the basis of a loose affiliate of the party once having those views.
That's even leaving aside the issue of whether what Hewitt said can be remotely construed as endorsing paedophilia (I haven't read what the Sun have dug up yet so will reserve comment).
"she and Jack Dromney, now a Labour MP, were members of a committee recommending a revolutionary change in child sex laws"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bhg5eKXIQAAmoMg.jpg
It could be 'Labour chiefs'…of the NCCL?
"Miss Hewitt - general secretary of the Council from 1974 to 1983 … Mr Dromey sat on the council’s executive committee for almost a decade, from 1970 to 1979"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10659100/Harriet-Harman-Jack-Dromey-Patricia-Hewitt-and-the-Paedophile-Information-Exchange.html
That's unforgivable. Shocking. What on earth were the NCCL thinking?
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"plus lots of anti-Labour billboards paid for by Hedge Fund owners." Never!0
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The Speccy have a piece on partisan clergy this week.RochdalePioneers said:
So one one side you have the combined churches charities and community groups showing how Tory policies are destroying lives, on the other you have the Mail and The Sun's front pages of this last week. Its going to be a bloody war.
"We, the church, ought to be outside party politics, remaining as a ‘faithful irritant’ to the political classes and providing a voice for the poor and the weak. By becoming identified with just one political party — the Conservatives in the early 20th century or Labour more recently — the church has antagonised those who hold a contrary position. But we should not align ourselves with any party: we should be free to work with any party or none as the need arises.
When I mentioned this at college, the general opinion was that it is right and proper for clergy to be trying to ‘convert’ laity to a ‘proper’ understanding of politics, by which was meant socialism. I am deeply uncomfortable with the idea that there is a right, Christian way of doing politics and that this view is enshrined in the Labour movement. The church needs to make sure that the key messages of the Gospel do not become polluted by the populist politics of the age."
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9145881/im-scared-to-admit-to-being-a-tory-in-todays-c-of-e/
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I think boba fett will be distracting from the Harman case all day tmrw0
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You needn't worry - the coming economic meltdown will ensure that the establishment as we know it today is well and truly cast aside. And I won't be shedding any tears for it. Speaking of the markets, looks like we should be heading into a fascinating March, particularly the 2nd half.TwistedFireStopper said:
I hope it is. I detest all the parties, I want them to tear lumps out of each other. I want front page splashes about scandals, the more far fetched, the better. Surely GCHQ can rustle up a few webcam captures showing an MP inappropriately using kitchen utensils that they can pass on to the press?RochdalePioneers said:It's going to be a fascinating election campaign. The last couple of US presidential elections have thrown some outrageous slurs and smears out with both sides desperate and convinced the victory of the opponent would be the end of civilisation. The UK feels pretty polarised now too, far more than in recent years.
And despite all the abuse thrown at Ed I sense that there is an increasing air of desperation coming from the establishment about the prospect of a Labour win. Why? Because they don't control the party any more, Cameron is one of them, their placeman successfully led a coup to turn the LibDems into New LibDems, but in Labour the wrong brother won ending their New Labour coup turning the party in an unfriendly to them direction.
So one one side you have the combined churches charities and community groups showing how Tory policies are destroying lives, on the other you have the Mail and The Sun's front pages of this last week. Its going to be a bloody war.
It wouldn't surprise me if the Crimea turns very nasty, for all concerned it would be better if Ukraine was split in two along the historical language fault line - the modern Ukraine with its borders is such an artifical entity. And that's not just the South and East thanks to the Kiev Rus etc, but also the 100 miles of westernmost Ukraine that was Uncle Joe's prize for winning the Great Patriotic War (WW2) when he astonished Eden at their December 1941 meeting in Moscow.0 -
Is the statement wrong then?SouthamObserver said:
Unless you know the full circumstances how do you know it is unforgiveable? This is one of the problems with partial reporting of stuff that happened 40 years ago. I find it amazing that people espousing such views were able to be in a publicly identifiable, organised group for so long without attracting serious police attention and/or being closed down. There have been claims they even received government funding over an extended period.TheWatcher said:
'During this period, the Council stepped in to defend paedophiles against “hysterical and inaccurate” newspaper attacks.'anotherDave said:
Mr Dromney is also mentioned.Danny565 said:Is Patricia Hewitt the sole basis for that Sun headline? If so, ascribing a brief health secretary of yesteryear who no longer plays any key part in the Labour party (or indeed, had even been suspended from the party at last count), as "Labour chiefs", is extremely misleading and quite possibly libellous. It would be the equivalent of running a headline "Tories want to hang Mandela" on the basis of a loose affiliate of the party once having those views.
That's even leaving aside the issue of whether what Hewitt said can be remotely construed as endorsing paedophilia (I haven't read what the Sun have dug up yet so will reserve comment).
"she and Jack Dromney, now a Labour MP, were members of a committee recommending a revolutionary change in child sex laws"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bhg5eKXIQAAmoMg.jpg
It could be 'Labour chiefs'…of the NCCL?
"Miss Hewitt - general secretary of the Council from 1974 to 1983 … Mr Dromey sat on the council’s executive committee for almost a decade, from 1970 to 1979"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10659100/Harriet-Harman-Jack-Dromey-Patricia-Hewitt-and-the-Paedophile-Information-Exchange.html
That's unforgivable. Shocking. What on earth were the NCCL thinking?0 -
OK then, their actions were indefensible, if that's better. How could the NCCL have even thought about siding with these people? The rights of those they might abuse came first.SouthamObserver said:
Unless you know the full circumstances how do you know it is unforgiveable? This is one of the problems with partial reporting of stuff that happened 40 years ago. I find it amazing that people espousing such views were able to be in a publicly identifiable, organised group for so long without attracting serious police attention and/or being closed down. There have been claims they even received government funding over an extended period.TheWatcher said:
'During this period, the Council stepped in to defend paedophiles against “hysterical and inaccurate” newspaper attacks.'anotherDave said:
Mr Dromney is also mentioned.Danny565 said:Is Patricia Hewitt the sole basis for that Sun headline? If so, ascribing a brief health secretary of yesteryear who no longer plays any key part in the Labour party (or indeed, had even been suspended from the party at last count), as "Labour chiefs", is extremely misleading and quite possibly libellous. It would be the equivalent of running a headline "Tories want to hang Mandela" on the basis of a loose affiliate of the party once having those views.
That's even leaving aside the issue of whether what Hewitt said can be remotely construed as endorsing paedophilia (I haven't read what the Sun have dug up yet so will reserve comment).
"she and Jack Dromney, now a Labour MP, were members of a committee recommending a revolutionary change in child sex laws"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bhg5eKXIQAAmoMg.jpg
It could be 'Labour chiefs'…of the NCCL?
"Miss Hewitt - general secretary of the Council from 1974 to 1983 … Mr Dromey sat on the council’s executive committee for almost a decade, from 1970 to 1979"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10659100/Harriet-Harman-Jack-Dromey-Patricia-Hewitt-and-the-Paedophile-Information-Exchange.html
That's unforgivable. Shocking. What on earth were the NCCL thinking?0 -
Ed's not going to win the 2015 GE, 'pouter.compouter2 said:http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?day=7&month=5&msg=UK+General+Election&p0=0&year=2015
So we can all count down to the day of Ed's winning together. I'm feeling the love in here tonight.
He and his party couldn't run a till in sweet shop.
Ed would give away the sweets and lose the cash float in hours.
"Sweeties, sweeties. Come on children. Get your free sweeties here!".
2000 will be his only chance. When the cash float has been replenished and there be enough stock of sweeties to give away without bankrupting the shop.
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