So we can all count down to the day of Ed's winning together. I'm feeling the love in here tonight.
Ed's not going to win the 2015 GE, 'pouter.
He and his party couldn't run a till in sweet shop.
Ed would give away the sweets and lose the cash float in hours.
"Sweeties, sweeties. Come on children. Get your free sweeties here!".
2000 will be his only chance. When the cash float has been replenished and there be enough stock of sweeties to give away without bankrupting the shop.
Sad to say Ed wins in 2015, UKIP or some incarnation thereof win in 2020
So we can all count down to the day of Ed's winning together. I'm feeling the love in here tonight.
Ed's not going to win the 2015 GE, 'pouter.
He and his party couldn't run a till in sweet shop.
Ed would give away the sweets and lose the cash float in hours.
"Sweeties, sweeties. Come on children. Get your free sweeties here!".
2000 will be his only chance. When the cash float has been replenished and there be enough stock of sweeties to give away without bankrupting the shop.
Is he going to use a time machine? I think Blair will be a bit miffed.
@Nigel4England - I don't know, which is my point. I am pleased to see Hewitt getting a kicking for the reasons I outlined below, but I can see circumstances under which it would be forgiveable for a civil liberties organisation to defend the rights of paedophiles. For example: defending their right to a fair trial; defending their right to anonymity prior to a case being heard; or defending their right to privacy once a sentence has been served. Not popular things to do, but certainly forgiveable in my book. I am not saying that happened here. I am saying we don't know.
So we can all count down to the day of Ed's winning together. I'm feeling the love in here tonight.
Ed's not going to win the 2015 GE, 'pouter.
He and his party couldn't run a till in sweet shop.
Ed would give away the sweets and lose the cash float in hours.
"Sweeties, sweeties. Come on children. Get your free sweeties here!".
2000 will be his only chance. When the cash float has been replenished and there be enough stock of sweeties to give away without bankrupting the shop.
Is he going to use a time machine?
Oh! Out by 20 years. It is all this time travel that is getting to me, 'pouter.
Is Patricia Hewitt the sole basis for that Sun headline? If so, ascribing a brief health secretary of yesteryear who no longer plays any key part in the Labour party (or indeed, had even been suspended from the party at last count), as "Labour chiefs", is extremely misleading and quite possibly libellous. It would be the equivalent of running a headline "Tories want to hang Mandela" on the basis of a loose affiliate of the party once having those views.
That's even leaving aside the issue of whether what Hewitt said can be remotely construed as endorsing paedophilia (I haven't read what the Sun have dug up yet so will reserve comment).
Mr Dromney is also mentioned.
"she and Jack Dromney, now a Labour MP, were members of a committee recommending a revolutionary change in child sex laws"
"Miss Hewitt - general secretary of the Council from 1974 to 1983 … Mr Dromey sat on the council’s executive committee for almost a decade, from 1970 to 1979"
'During this period, the Council stepped in to defend paedophiles against “hysterical and inaccurate” newspaper attacks.'
That's unforgivable. Shocking. What on earth were the NCCL thinking?
Unless you know the full circumstances how do you know it is unforgiveable? This is one of the problems with partial reporting of stuff that happened 40 years ago. I find it amazing that people espousing such views were able to be in a publicly identifiable, organised group for so long without attracting serious police attention and/or being closed down. There have been claims they even received government funding over an extended period.
OK then, their actions were indefensible, if that's better. How could the NCCL have even thought about siding with these people? The rights of those they might abuse came first.
Defending the right of paedophiles to abuse is without question indefensible and unforgiveable. If they did that they deserve all the flak they get. But the report you commented on does not say this. Its language is far looser. Paedophilia quite rightly engenders deep disgust and outrage. That's why issues relating to it should be reported sensitively. Otherwise we end up with mobs chasing paediatricians from their homes.
Sometimes this place reminds me of a messagebord the used to have on the BBC for weather enthusiasts. I used to go on there for the fun of reading the posts and not the content, a bit like here. The BBC had to close it down because during one Winter "The coldies" (those who liked the snow) fell out with "The mildies" (those who didn't) and it got really personal. There was some over the top fallings out over a bit of frost. They used to have to employ an admin to keep deleting the posts. "You fecking snow ramping twut" "Feck Off sun worshipper" etc etc . It got to a stage where the admin was working 24 hrs a day. Eventually they pulled the plug.
You think you lot don't get on, never get in a fight between a snow ramper and a sun lover.
In what universe is 600million euro 'close to' 150 billion pounds. LOL
Labour maths
A bankers bonus tax that raises 600m Euro can be used to fund 150bn pounds of spending commitments
Na, it was me being a numpty and not realising we were talking about trade deficits. I better go to bed...
Thanks.Yes,it`s current account surplus was 150 billion pounds.
A current account surplus of £150bn is arguably as dysfunctional as a deficit of the same size, ESPECIALLY when it is gained by selling your German cars at an artificially reduced rate to weaker countries in the same German currency zone, who are borrowing money on Germany's credit rating to buy German cars, a process which means that, in the end, when things get bad, all these countries go bust, meaning Germany has to bail them out.
Is this an economic model any other region of the world is aiming to copy?
No.
All great, apart from your last point. SE Asis has seen lots of countries apply that mercantaliist trade logic. And current account deficits and surpluses exploded from Nixon's ill fated abandonment of the gold window in August 1971, which gave the green light to the uncontrolled debt explosion we've had over the past 42 and a bit years.
And as was observed in the Great Depression, its the creditor nations that ultimately suffer worse than the debtor nations when the music stops. Something that Germany is about to learn to its huge cost.
Sometimes this place reminds me of a messagebord the used to have on the BBC for wethaer enthusiasts. I used to go on there for the fun of reading the posts and not the content, a bit like here. The BBC had to close it down because during one Winter "The coldies" (those who liked the snow) fell out with "The mildies" (those who didn't) and it got really personal. They used to have to employ an admin to keep deleting the posts. "You fecking snow ramping twut" "Feck Off sun worshipper" etc etc . It got to a stage where the admin was working 24 hrs a day. Eventually they pulled the plug.
You think you lot don't get on, never get in a fight between a snow ramper and a sun lover.
lol, ha! Very true.
I am a lurker at Netweather. The wars between the coldies and the mildies do put us to shame. Oh the meltdown when the Beast from the East fails to appear!
I think this vituperation may be an internet epiphenomenon. Something about web blogs and forums and anonymity, in combination, creates massive poisonous acrimony where in real life human decency would prevail.
It's kinda fun. The Cybernats are, in particular, quite something.
Sometimes this place reminds me of a messagebord the used to have on the BBC for weather enthusiasts. I used to go on there for the fun of reading the posts and not the content, a bit like here. The BBC had to close it down because during one Winter "The coldies" (those who liked the snow) fell out with "The mildies" (those who didn't) and it got really personal. There was some over the top fallings out over a bit of frost. They used to have to employ an admin to keep deleting the posts. "You fecking snow ramping twut" "Feck Off sun worshipper" etc etc . It got to a stage where the admin was working 24 hrs a day. Eventually they pulled the plug.
You think you lot don't get on, never get in a fight between a snow ramper and a sun lover.
You can always tell the newbies. This place is quite civilized these days. I suppose because we haven''t got a Labour government that's really screwed up. Just wait until we're three years into Milibands Misfits government. Then you will really see what people think of each other and of the government
Sometimes this place reminds me of a messagebord the used to have on the BBC for wethaer enthusiasts. I used to go on there for the fun of reading the posts and not the content, a bit like here. The BBC had to close it down because during one Winter "The coldies" (those who liked the snow) fell out with "The mildies" (those who didn't) and it got really personal. They used to have to employ an admin to keep deleting the posts. "You fecking snow ramping twut" "Feck Off sun worshipper" etc etc . It got to a stage where the admin was working 24 hrs a day. Eventually they pulled the plug.
You think you lot don't get on, never get in a fight between a snow ramper and a sun lover.
lol, ha! Very true.
I am a lurker at Netweather. The wars between the coldies and the mildies do put us to shame. Oh the meltdown when the Beast from the East fails to appear!
I think this vituperation may be an internet epiphenomenon. Something about web blogs and forums and anonymity, in combination, creates massive poisonous acrimony where in real life human decency would prevail.
It's kinda fun. The Cybernats are, in particular, quite something.
Beast from the East - The god of coldies. At first when I started reading it I thought everyone was taking the piss out of each other, then after a few days realised they really meant it. I would read in awe as they would try and tear internet lumps out of each other over frost and snow(or the lack of). I remember on coldie signing off one March by saying "well looks like Winters over I am leaving this place to all you fecking inbred weird bustard mildies, see you in seven months", and he was off to re-appear sometime in October with the post"have all the inbred mildies gone or do some of you lot want some, I have seven months of frustration to get out". He then spent the next few days abusing any lingering mildies, in between commenting on Scandi-Highs and the hated Bartlett.Weird, but very funny at the same time.
A nuclear party political paedophile war fought through the press is a pretty repulsive prospect.
Bringing Westminster into disrepute is not what Alistair Darling needs right now. You'd almost think that Murdoch wants to rid England of 41 SLAB MPs.
I think it may be more to do with other, soon to be printed stories.
As I said, bringing Westminster into disrepute is not what Alistair Darling needs right now. You'd almost think that Murdoch wants to rid England of 41 SLAB MPs.
Sometimes this place reminds me of a messagebord the used to have on the BBC for wethaer enthusiasts. I used to go on there for the fun of reading the posts and not the content, a bit like here. The BBC had to close it down because during one Winter "The coldies" (those who liked the snow) fell out with "The mildies" (those who didn't) and it got really personal. They used to have to employ an admin to keep deleting the posts. "You fecking snow ramping twut" "Feck Off sun worshipper" etc etc . It got to a stage where the admin was working 24 hrs a day. Eventually they pulled the plug.
You think you lot don't get on, never get in a fight between a snow ramper and a sun lover.
lol, ha! Very true.
I am a lurker at Netweather. The wars between the coldies and the mildies do put us to shame. Oh the meltdown when the Beast from the East fails to appear!
I think this vituperation may be an internet epiphenomenon. Something about web blogs and forums and anonymity, in combination, creates massive poisonous acrimony where in real life human decency would prevail.
It's kinda fun. The Cybernats are, in particular, quite something.
Beast from the East - The god of coldies. At first when I started reading it I thought everyone was taking the piss out of each other, then after a few days realised they really meant it. I would read in awe as they would try and tear internet lumps out of each other over frost and snow(or the lack of). I remember on coldie signing off one March by saying "well looks like Winters over I am leaving this place to all you fecking inbred weird bustard mildies, see you in seven months", and he was off to re-appear sometime in October with the post"have all the inbred mildies gone or do some of you lot want some, I have seven months of frustration to get out". He then spent the next few days abusing any lingering mildies, in between commenting on Scandi-Highs and the hated Bartlett.Weird, but very funny at the same time.
I actually got banned from Netweather for winding up coldies (I'm a mildy, in a mild way). I would gloat when the Azores High floated over, ruining their wintry Siberian fantasies. The hatred I received was incredible.
However the moderators were secret coldies (I think most weather geeks are coldies, for some unfathomable reason) so they booted me off.
There must be a blog in this. Maybe even a minor novel.
It already sounds like fiction. Are you sure you didn't dream this?
Sometimes this place reminds me of a messagebord the used to have on the BBC for weather enthusiasts. I used to go on there for the fun of reading the posts and not the content, a bit like here. The BBC had to close it down because during one Winter "The coldies" (those who liked the snow) fell out with "The mildies" (those who didn't) and it got really personal. There was some over the top fallings out over a bit of frost. They used to have to employ an admin to keep deleting the posts. "You fecking snow ramping twut" "Feck Off sun worshipper" etc etc . It got to a stage where the admin was working 24 hrs a day. Eventually they pulled the plug.
You think you lot don't get on, never get in a fight between a snow ramper and a sun lover.
You can always tell the newbies. This place is quite civilized these days. I suppose because we haven''t got a Labour government that's really screwed up. Just wait until we're three years into Milibands Misfits government. Then you will really see what people think of each other and of the government
SJ - Long time lurker myself, only started posting when the balance on here significantly tipped to the right. Though I do think there will be a bit of excitement on election night.
Sometimes this place reminds me of a messagebord the used to have on the BBC for wethaer enthusiasts. I used to go on there for the fun of reading the posts and not the content, a bit like here. The BBC had to close it down because during one Winter "The coldies" (those who liked the snow) fell out with "The mildies" (those who didn't) and it got really personal. They used to have to employ an admin to keep deleting the posts. "You fecking snow ramping twut" "Feck Off sun worshipper" etc etc . It got to a stage where the admin was working 24 hrs a day. Eventually they pulled the plug.
You think you lot don't get on, never get in a fight between a snow ramper and a sun lover.
lol, ha! Very true.
I am a lurker at Netweather. The wars between the coldies and the mildies do put us to shame. Oh the meltdown when the Beast from the East fails to appear!
I think this vituperation may be an internet epiphenomenon. Something about web blogs and forums and anonymity, in combination, creates massive poisonous acrimony where in real life human decency would prevail.
It's kinda fun. The Cybernats are, in particular, quite something.
Beast from the East - The god of coldies. At first when I started reading it I thought everyone was taking the piss out of each other, then after a few days realised they really meant it. I would read in awe as they would try and tear internet lumps out of each other over frost and snow(or the lack of). I remember on coldie signing off one March by saying "well looks like Winters over I am leaving this place to all you fecking inbred weird bustard mildies, see you in seven months", and he was off to re-appear sometime in October with the post"have all the inbred mildies gone or do some of you lot want some, I have seven months of frustration to get out". He then spent the next few days abusing any lingering mildies, in between commenting on Scandi-Highs and the hated Bartlett.Weird, but very funny at the same time.
I actually got banned from Netweather for winding up coldies (I'm a mildy, in a mild way). I would gloat when the Azores High floated over, ruining their wintry Siberian fantasies. The hatred I received was incredible.
However the moderators were secret coldies (I think most weather geeks are coldies, for some unfathomable reason) so they booted me off.
There must be a blog in this. Maybe even a minor novel.
I was only thinking the other day, with the mild winter we have had, it would have been a bloodbath on the BBC board.
Sometimes this place reminds me of a messagebord the used to have on the BBC for wethaer enthusiasts. I used to go on there for the fun of reading the posts and not the content, a bit like here. The BBC had to close it down because during one Winter "The coldies" (those who liked the snow) fell out with "The mildies" (those who didn't) and it got really personal. They used to have to employ an admin to keep deleting the posts. "You fecking snow ramping twut" "Feck Off sun worshipper" etc etc . It got to a stage where the admin was working 24 hrs a day. Eventually they pulled the plug.
You think you lot don't get on, never get in a fight between a snow ramper and a sun lover.
lol, ha! Very true.
I am a lurker at Netweather. The wars between the coldies and the mildies do put us to shame. Oh the meltdown when the Beast from the East fails to appear!
I think this vituperation may be an internet epiphenomenon. Something about web blogs and forums and anonymity, in combination, creates massive poisonous acrimony where in real life human decency would prevail.
It's kinda fun. The Cybernats are, in particular, quite something.
Beast from the East - The god of coldies. At first when I started reading it I thought everyone was taking the piss out of each other, then after a few days realised they really meant it. I would read in awe as they would try and tear internet lumps out of each other over frost and snow(or the lack of). I remember on coldie signing off one March by saying "well looks like Winters over I am leaving this place to all you fecking inbred weird bustard mildies, see you in seven months", and he was off to re-appear sometime in October with the post"have all the inbred mildies gone or do some of you lot want some, I have seven months of frustration to get out". He then spent the next few days abusing any lingering mildies, in between commenting on Scandi-Highs and the hated Bartlett.Weird, but very funny at the same time.
.
There must be a blog in this. Maybe even a minor novel.
It already sounds like fiction. Are you sure you didn't dream this?
It is all true, it was so very very bazare how people, and there where dozens who used to post on there, would be saying the most personal of insults over a low ridge pressure or a blocking pattern over Scandanavia. There would be even heated arguments over which weather model was the best ECM, Meto, GFS. Crazy batshit!
Sometimes this place reminds me of a messagebord the used to have on the BBC for wethaer enthusiasts. I used to go on there for the fun of reading the posts and not the content, a bit like here. The BBC had to close it down because during one Winter "The coldies" (those who liked the snow) fell out with "The mildies" (those who didn't) and it got really personal. They used to have to employ an admin to keep deleting the posts. "You fecking snow ramping twut" "Feck Off sun worshipper" etc etc . It got to a stage where the admin was working 24 hrs a day. Eventually they pulled the plug.
You think you lot don't get on, never get in a fight between a snow ramper and a sun lover.
lol, ha! Very true.
I am a lurker at Netweather. The wars between the coldies and the mildies do put us to shame. Oh the meltdown when the Beast from the East fails to appear!
I think this vituperation may be an internet epiphenomenon. Something about web blogs and forums and anonymity, in combination, creates massive poisonous acrimony where in real life human decency would prevail.
It's kinda fun. The Cybernats are, in particular, quite something.
Beast from the East - The god of coldies. At first when I started reading it I thought everyone was taking the piss out of each other, then after a few days realised they really meant it. I would read in awe as they would try and tear internet lumps out of each other over frost and snow(or the lack of). I remember on coldie signing off one March by saying "well looks like Winters over I am leaving this place to all you fecking inbred weird bustard mildies, see you in seven months", and he was off to re-appear sometime in October with the post"have all the inbred mildies gone or do some of you lot want some, I have seven months of frustration to get out". He then spent the next few days abusing any lingering mildies, in between commenting on Scandi-Highs and the hated Bartlett.Weird, but very funny at the same time.
.
There must be a blog in this. Maybe even a minor novel.
It already sounds like fiction. Are you sure you didn't dream this?
It is all true, it was so very very bazare how people, and there where dozens who used to post on there, would be saying the most personal of insults over a low ridge pressure or a blocking pattern over Scandanavia. There would be even heated arguments over which weather model was the best ECM, Meto, GFS. Crazy batshit!
I have missed snow this winter. The ceaseless rain has been a poor substitute.
It hailed on me today - heavily but briefly, as so often lies the wont of the Ice Gods. To my surprise, between the occasional stinging pain, I found myself thinking "aww, I missed this!"
Sometimes this place reminds me of a messagebord the used to have on the BBC for wethaer enthusiasts. I used to go on there for the fun of reading the posts and not the content, a bit like here. The BBC had to close it down because during one Winter "The coldies" (those who liked the snow) fell out with "The mildies" (those who didn't) and it got really personal. They used to have to employ an admin to keep deleting the posts. "You fecking snow ramping twut" "Feck Off sun worshipper" etc etc . It got to a stage where the admin was working 24 hrs a day. Eventually they pulled the plug.
It's kinda fun. The Cybernats are, in particular, quite something.
Beast from the East - The god of coldies. At first when I started reading it I thof you lot want some, I have seven months of frustration to get out". He then spent the next few days abusing any lingering mildies, in between commenting on Scandi-Highs and the hated Bartlett.Weird, but very funny at the same time.
.
There must be a blog in this. Maybe even a minor novel.
It already sounds like fiction. Are you sure you didn't dream this?
It is all true, it was so very very bazare how people, and there where dozens who used to post on there, would be saying the most personal of insults over a low ridge pressure or a blocking pattern over Scandanavia. There would be even heated arguments over which weather model was the best ECM, Meto, GFS. Crazy batshit!
fantastic!
Meet some of the milder (not mildie) weather enthusiasts, who now and again fall out but it's more of a lovers tiff than a want to punch their lights out. Underneath their post they will put how many inches of snow they have seen, how many thunder days or how many air frost days they have had, oh and the odd bit of witty banter "Predicting the weather is like making love to a beautiful woman - if you don't keep on top of things, or come up short, you might encounter hostile conditions later". Don't worry if you get a bit confused with their posts, they also have their own language.
The Shard is like some miracle. It has, by itself, given London's skyline the most extraordinary, world class Wow factor - I think it is up there with the Eiffel Tower in iconicity and pzazz.
I heard a story the other day (was it on pb?) of a bunch of provincial kids on a bus coming to London - 30 miles out they were crowding to the windows saying "the Shard! the Shard!" - I can well believe it.
I drove the A2 last week and from northern Kent the Shard is this glittering and Arthurian crystal sword, towards which the A2 is inexorably headed. It is mystical.
The Shard is like some miracle. It has, by itself, given London's skyline the most extraordinary, world class Wow factor - I think it is up there with the Eiffel Tower in iconicity and pzazz.
I heard a story the other day (was it on pb?) of a bunch of provincial kids on a bus coming to London - 30 miles out they were crowding to the windows saying "the Shard! the Shard!" - I can well believe it.
I drove the A2 last week and from northern Kent the Shard is this glittering and Arthurian crystal sword, towards which the A2 is inexorably headed. It is mystical.
Sometimes this place reminds me of a messagebord the used to have on the BBC for wethaer enthusiasts. I used to go on there for the fun of reading the posts and not the content, a bit like here. The BBC had to close it down because during one Winter "The coldies" (those who liked the snow) fell out with "The mildies" (those who didn't) and it got really personal. They used to have to employ an admin to keep deleting the posts. "You fecking snow ramping twut" "Feck Off sun worshipper" etc etc . It got to a stage where the admin was working 24 hrs a day. Eventually they pulled the plug.
It's kinda fun. The Cybernats are, in particular, quite something.
Beast from the East - The god of coldies. At first when I started reading it I thof you lot want some, I have seven months of frustration to get out". He then spent the next few days abusing any lingering mildies, in between commenting on Scandi-Highs and the hated Bartlett.Weird, but very funny at the same time.
.
There must be a blog in this. Maybe even a minor novel.
It already sounds like fiction. Are you sure you didn't dream this?
It is all true, it was so very very bazare how people, and there where dozens who used to post on there, would be saying the most personal of insults over a low ridge pressure or a blocking pattern over Scandanavia. There would be even heated arguments over which weather model was the best ECM, Meto, GFS. Crazy batshit!
fantastic!
Meet some of the milder (not mildie) weather enthusiasts, who now and again fall out but it's more of a lovers tiff than a want to punch their lights out. Underneath their post they will put how many inches of snow they have seen, how many thunder days or how many air frost days they have had, oh and the odd bit of witty banter "Predicting the weather is like making love to a beautiful woman - if you don't keep on top of things, or come up short, you might encounter hostile conditions later". Don't worry if you get a bit confused with their posts, they also have their own language.
FPT. Financier - "Am I correct in believing that whilst a lot of Labour constituencies resisted the allure of the SNP, it was mainly the Tory areas that fell to the SNP?
If so, and the SNP continues to rubbish rUKIndependence policy as Tory -Westminster, will the SNP be shooting itself in the foot and lose that initial support?"
A very politically astute point and question that might have some bearing on the post Independence Referendum performance of the SNP in some areas of Scotland.
Going to be very interesting when we can compare Alex Salmond's personal polling post an Indy Referendum with that of his post 2011 Holyrood election win as well. For all those on here that assume that its the No campaign that is currently delivering a negative campaign, at some point you will realise that all the negative name calling and abuse up here or on this site is more or less all one way......Just as the honest hard facts appear to be the preserve of the No campaign. For all those expecting the SNP to get a boost at either the next GE or Holyrood elections on the back of a No result, I very much have my doubts.
Just remember how over the top the SNP supporters reaction were to Farage's visits to Scotland, its like looking at two peas in a pod when witnessing their online presence and behaviour.
I do believe one of our right wing posters was casting a negative on your fair city earlier, something to do with Self and Pity.
Remind me again, which city had (to mention but a few)...?
a symphony orchestra before Vienna?
a department store before Paris?
a Nobel Prize [Britain's first, in fact] before Oxford or Cambridge?
an airport and football teams before Manchester?
a modern Olympic Games thirty years before Athens?
Sewers and trams, underground railway tunnels and stations, accountants and underwriters, public libraries and public parks, and an Athenaeum Club before London?
Skyscrapers, air-conditioned buildings, and an elevated electric railway before New York or Chicago?
I do believe one of our right wing posters was casting a negative on your fair city earlier, something to do with Self and Pity.
Remind me again, which city had (to mention but a few)...?
a symphony orchestra before Vienna?
a department store before Paris?
a Nobel Prize [Britain's first, in fact] before Oxford or Cambridge?
an airport and football teams before Manchester?
a modern Olympic Games thirty years before Athens?
Sewers and trams, underground railway tunnels and stations, accountants and underwriters, public libraries and public parks, and an Athenaeum Club before London?
Skyscrapers, air-conditioned buildings, and an elevated electric railway before New York or Chicago?
I do believe one of our right wing posters was casting a negative on your fair city earlier, something to do with Self and Pity.
Remind me again, which city had (to mention but a few)...?
a symphony orchestra before Vienna?
a department store before Paris?
a Nobel Prize [Britain's first, in fact] before Oxford or Cambridge?
an airport and football teams before Manchester?
a modern Olympic Games thirty years before Athens?
Sewers and trams, underground railway tunnels and stations, accountants and underwriters, public libraries and public parks, and an Athenaeum Club before London?
Skyscrapers, air-conditioned buildings, and an elevated electric railway before New York or Chicago?
I was surprised to read that SeanT was born in Devon, not Cornwall. The other day on "Room 101" someone wanted to put Devon into Room 101, for various reasons - among which was the fact that the people of Devon commit the abominable perversion of putting the jam and the cream the wrong way round on top of a scone when they have afternoon tea, whereas the Cornish do it the correct way round (I can't remember which is which, but that doesn't matter).
But I was also surprised to see that he was denying being posh. He certainly sounds reasonably posh in the way he bourgeoisily speaks with some refinement in interviews. Perhaps he inadvertently acquired a posh accent from the trauma of being born by mistake on the wrong side of the Tamar.
Perhaps he should re-write a version of history in which his Devonian birthplace is re-assigned to become an exclave of the Greater Kernow - a bit like a mythological Mount Paektu, which is forever the birthplace of Kim Jong-il rather than the possible somewhere-in-Siberia of otherwise.
So one one side you have the combined churches charities and community groups showing how Tory policies are destroying lives, on the other you have the Mail and The Sun's front pages of this last week. Its going to be a bloody war.
The Speccy have a piece on partisan clergy this week.
"We, the church, ought to be outside party politics, remaining as a ‘faithful irritant’ to the political classes and providing a voice for the poor and the weak. By becoming identified with just one political party — the Conservatives in the early 20th century or Labour more recently — the church has antagonised those who hold a contrary position. But we should not align ourselves with any party: we should be free to work with any party or none as the need arises.
When I mentioned this at college, the general opinion was that it is right and proper for clergy to be trying to ‘convert’ laity to a ‘proper’ understanding of politics, by which was meant socialism. I am deeply uncomfortable with the idea that there is a right, Christian way of doing politics and that this view is enshrined in the Labour movement. The church needs to make sure that the key messages of the Gospel do not become polluted by the populist politics of the age."
From my experience of it the Church of England is naturally conservative, with no clear political ideology being ramme home. However, it is extremely clear that current Conservative policies on the poor sock and disabled are fundamentally incompatible with Christian teaching. I don't think Cardinal Nicholls could be any clearer on the subject, Archbishop Sentamu is similarly strident. That's not saying that Conservatism is incompatible, just Iain Duncan Smith.
Various "Christian Conservatives" in America suffer the same criticism, as they appear to have a Bible which consists of bits of Genesis, Leviticus and Revelation and nothing whatsoever about Jesus. Regardless of the moral crusade IDS claims to be on its the effective barbarity and callousness of the implementation of the policy that is incompatible with Christian teaching.
Sorry if that offends, but that's what the leaders of the big churches have to say on the subject.
FPT. Financier - "Am I correct in believing that whilst a lot of Labour constituencies resisted the allure of the SNP, it was mainly the Tory areas that fell to the SNP?
If so, and the SNP continues to rubbish rUKIndependence policy as Tory -Westminster, will the SNP be shooting itself in the foot and lose that initial support?"
A very politically astute point and question that might have some bearing on the post Independence Referendum performance of the SNP in some areas of Scotland.
Going to be very interesting when we can compare Alex Salmond's personal polling post an Indy Referendum with that of his post 2011 Holyrood election win as well. For all those on here that assume that its the No campaign that is currently delivering a negative campaign, at some point you will realise that all the negative name calling and abuse up here or on this site is more or less all one way......Just as the honest hard facts appear to be the preserve of the No campaign. For all those expecting the SNP to get a boost at either the next GE or Holyrood elections on the back of a No result, I very much have my doubts.
LOL, you will be forecasting a surge next. Typical lying Tory, YES is positive , NO is negative and does nothing but lie. No wonder Tories are hated in Scotland.
Is this poll reliable? If so could this be the long awaited Scottish Tory surge?
To answer my own question I see its just a sub-sample:(
Felix, just as the Scottish Tories are a sub group of the real Tories in Westminster , just very very much smaller and even less competent. They have their conferences in phone boxes.
I was surprised to read that SeanT was born in Devon, not Cornwall. The other day on "Room 101" someone wanted to put Devon into Room 101, for various reasons - among which was the fact that the people of Devon commit the abominable perversion of putting the jam and the cream the wrong way round on top of a scone when they have afternoon tea, whereas the Cornish do it the correct way round (I can't remember which is which, but that doesn't matter).
But I was also surprised to see that he was denying being posh. He certainly sounds reasonably posh in the way he bourgeoisily speaks with some refinement in interviews. Perhaps he inadvertently acquired a posh accent from the trauma of being born by mistake on the wrong side of the Tamar.
Perhaps he should re-write a version of history in which his Devonian birthplace is re-assigned to become an exclave of the Greater Kernow - a bit like a mythological Mount Paektu, which is forever the birthplace of Kim Jong-il rather than the possible somewhere-in-Siberia of otherwise.
Depends which of his faces is pointing forwards as to what version of his fantasy that you get. He is a stranger to the truth. Given how addled he is most of the time it is no surprise that he did not remember where he came from and made up some more fiction for us.
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You think you lot don't get on, never get in a fight between a snow ramper and a sun lover.
And as was observed in the Great Depression, its the creditor nations that ultimately suffer worse than the debtor nations when the music stops. Something that Germany is about to learn to its huge cost.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-02-27/uk-and-us-spied-millions-webcam-images-…-smear-or-blackmail-targets
http://www.populuslimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Online_Vote_24-02-2014_BPC.pdf
Liverpool's new Central Library has just beaten the Shard for a prestigious design award.
http://www.itsliverpool.com/news/liverpools-central-library-wins-building-award/
Of course, we had public libraries 35 years before London...
If so, and the SNP continues to rubbish rUKIndependence policy as Tory -Westminster, will the SNP be shooting itself in the foot and lose that initial support?"
A very politically astute point and question that might have some bearing on the post Independence Referendum performance of the SNP in some areas of Scotland.
Going to be very interesting when we can compare Alex Salmond's personal polling post an Indy Referendum with that of his post 2011 Holyrood election win as well. For all those on here that assume that its the No campaign that is currently delivering a negative campaign, at some point you will realise that all the negative name calling and abuse up here or on this site is more or less all one way......Just as the honest hard facts appear to be the preserve of the No campaign. For all those expecting the SNP to get a boost at either the next GE or Holyrood elections on the back of a No result, I very much have my doubts.
a symphony orchestra before Vienna?
a department store before Paris?
a Nobel Prize [Britain's first, in fact] before Oxford or Cambridge?
an airport and football teams before Manchester?
a modern Olympic Games thirty years before Athens?
Sewers and trams, underground railway tunnels and stations, accountants and underwriters, public libraries and public parks, and an Athenaeum Club before London?
Skyscrapers, air-conditioned buildings, and an elevated electric railway before New York or Chicago?
I was surprised to read that SeanT was born in Devon, not Cornwall. The other day on "Room 101" someone wanted to put Devon into Room 101, for various reasons - among which was the fact that the people of Devon commit the abominable perversion of putting the jam and the cream the wrong way round on top of a scone when they have afternoon tea, whereas the Cornish do it the correct way round (I can't remember which is which, but that doesn't matter).
But I was also surprised to see that he was denying being posh. He certainly sounds reasonably posh in the way he bourgeoisily speaks with some refinement in interviews. Perhaps he inadvertently acquired a posh accent from the trauma of being born by mistake on the wrong side of the Tamar.
Perhaps he should re-write a version of history in which his Devonian birthplace is re-assigned to become an exclave of the Greater Kernow - a bit like a mythological Mount Paektu, which is forever the birthplace of Kim Jong-il rather than the possible somewhere-in-Siberia of otherwise.
Various "Christian Conservatives" in America suffer the same criticism, as they appear to have a Bible which consists of bits of Genesis, Leviticus and Revelation and nothing whatsoever about Jesus. Regardless of the moral crusade IDS claims to be on its the effective barbarity and callousness of the implementation of the policy that is incompatible with Christian teaching.
Sorry if that offends, but that's what the leaders of the big churches have to say on the subject.