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Or well if thy choose independence they will be pretty much de-facto Russian.0
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'This is a purely precautionary measure, and customers do not need to take any action.'
I bet they do, now that Standard Life have broken cover. I would, if my pension was on the line.0 -
Careful or the scottish tory surgers will start parroting the Torygraph as 'proof' of scottish public opinion, yet again.Theuniondivvie said:Fyi, Standard Life's full, Indy-destroying statement.
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I'm quite looking forward to all the British eurosceptic wailing and gnashing of teeth as Merkel boards the plane back to Germany.0
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Poll on the VoteUK discussion forum on the status of the sex trade:
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And yet all this furious activity from YES has resulted in continuing leads for the Union.Stuart_Dickson said:
There is a reason for that. The PB Tories haven't got the foggiest idea of ground conditions in Scotland. They are totally, blissfully unaware of the non-existence of BT activists on the ground in vaste swathes of the country. Whereas there isn't even a village which hasn't been canvassed by the Yes team. And before September, they will be re-canvassed and re-canvassed and the gaps will be filled in. Meanwhile, GOTV folks over at BT will be looking at their empty databases and pulling their hair out.Mick_Pork said:
The consequences of the big turnout differential still hasn't sunk in for better together or indeed the PB tories. Sooner or later it will.Ishmael_X said:
And worst of all, a close result on very low turnout.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, a close result would be a bad thing, whoever wins. Suspicions of vote-rigging (it'll be fun to see how many postal votes are doled out) could make things contentious. A clear Yes or No would be best.
I wonder whether it something like "PB Tories" pouring their hearts and souls in Bolsover hoping for a Con GAIN to flash up on election night ?!?
"Ave it" might predict it but then again ....
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Merkel live stream:
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Seven months out from the vote.JackW said:
And yet all this furious activity from YES has resulted in continuing leads for the Union.Stuart_Dickson said:
There is a reason for that. The PB Tories haven't got the foggiest idea of ground conditions in Scotland. They are totally, blissfully unaware of the non-existence of BT activists on the ground in vaste swathes of the country. Whereas there isn't even a village which hasn't been canvassed by the Yes team. And before September, they will be re-canvassed and re-canvassed and the gaps will be filled in. Meanwhile, GOTV folks over at BT will be looking at their empty databases and pulling their hair out.Mick_Pork said:
The consequences of the big turnout differential still hasn't sunk in for better together or indeed the PB tories. Sooner or later it will.Ishmael_X said:
And worst of all, a close result on very low turnout.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, a close result would be a bad thing, whoever wins. Suspicions of vote-rigging (it'll be fun to see how many postal votes are doled out) could make things contentious. A clear Yes or No would be best.
Yes to AV was leading months out from the vote as was scottish labour by double figures for the 2011 scottish elections. If you wish to be complacent about the ground campaign then by all means let you and your arse speak such 'wisdom' to the No campaign as loudly as you can manage.
As for Ave_It, he seemed to find your arse's outpourings and predictions for the lib dems in 2010 riotously funny. Now why would that be?0 -
Let me guess; he was chortling?Mick_Pork said:JackW said:
And yet all this furious activity from YES has resulted in continuing leads for the Union.Stuart_Dickson said:
There is a reason for that. The PB Tories haven't got the foggiest idea of ground conditions in Scotland. They are totally, blissfully unaware of the non-existence of BT activists on the ground in vaste swathes of the country. Whereas there isn't even a village which hasn't been canvassed by the Yes team. And before September, they will be re-canvassed and re-canvassed and the gaps will be filled in. Meanwhile, GOTV folks over at BT will be looking at their empty databases and pulling their hair out.Mick_Pork said:
The consequences of the big turnout differential still hasn't sunk in for better together or indeed the PB tories. Sooner or later it will.Ishmael_X said:
And worst of all, a close result on very low turnout.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, a close result would be a bad thing, whoever wins. Suspicions of vote-rigging (it'll be fun to see how many postal votes are doled out) could make things contentious. A clear Yes or No would be best.
As for Ave_It, he seemed to find your arse's outpourings and predictions for the lib dems in 2010 riotously funny.
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Merkel noising up Ed about the fall of socialism ! Heh heh...0
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She's mentioned the war. Oh no! How will tory Eurosceptics stand it?edmundintokyo said:Merkel live stream:
http://www.dw.de/media-center/live-tv/s-100825
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Merkel waffling about WWII while the EU is trying to start WWIII seems a bit inappropriate.0
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They know that the Germans are not going to support fundamental concessions. Changing the provisions of the working time directive as it applies to the NHS is about as good as it will get. The idea that there will be any significant reform to concepts as fundamental as free movement of people is absurd. I can't wait to see Dave's red lines. Maybe he'll do a Salmond and never reveal them.BenM said:I'm quite looking forward to all the British eurosceptic wailing and gnashing of teeth as Merkel boards the plane back to Germany.
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European Union "a miracle", now praising Churchill for his far sighted view of the Europe. Textbook. All good stuff for Eurosceptics so far, isn't it?0
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I'm far from complacent but I also have absolute faith in the good sense of the Scottish voters in rejecting the fantasy promises of YES aided and abetted by spectacular YES own goals like the currency debacle.Mick_Pork said:
Seven months out from the vote.JackW said:
And yet all this furious activity from YES has resulted in continuing leads for the Union.Stuart_Dickson said:
There is a reason for that. The PB Tories haven't got the foggiest idea of ground conditions in Scotland. They are totally, blissfully unaware of the non-existence of BT activists on the ground in vaste swathes of the country. Whereas there isn't even a village which hasn't been canvassed by the Yes team. And before September, they will be re-canvassed and re-canvassed and the gaps will be filled in. Meanwhile, GOTV folks over at BT will be looking at their empty databases and pulling their hair out.Mick_Pork said:
The consequences of the big turnout differential still hasn't sunk in for better together or indeed the PB tories. Sooner or later it will.Ishmael_X said:
And worst of all, a close result on very low turnout.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, a close result would be a bad thing, whoever wins. Suspicions of vote-rigging (it'll be fun to see how many postal votes are doled out) could make things contentious. A clear Yes or No would be best.
Yes to AV was leading months out from the vote as was scottish labour by double figures for the 2011 scottish elections. If you wish to be complacent about the ground campaign then by all means let you and your arse speak such 'wisdom' to the No campaign as loudly as you can manage.
As for Ave_It, he seemed to find your arse's outpourings and predictions for the lib dems in 2010 riotously funny. Now why would that be?
Now what currency are YES opting for today ??! - Is it the Ruble or the Yuan ?
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'This is just reality. Not something that Nats necessarily find amenable.'
What are the odds that Standard Life will move regardless of any referendum outcome, to reassure and retain existing business? They could lose a lot of jittery customers between now and the vote.0 -
UK News @UKNewsOne
I can't wait to see the yellow tories red lines this time around. "No more broken promises" indeed.
Nick Clegg scorns David Cameron's pre-election 'no coalition' pledge: The PM is reportedly to reveal he will n... http://bit.ly/1mx4qbV
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They delivered fewer tory MPs than pandas in scotland and have made the scottish lib dems an irrelevance so I too am very confident that they have good sense.JackW said:
I'm far from complacent but I also have absolute faith in the good sense of the Scottish votersMick_Pork said:
Seven months out from the vote.JackW said:
And yet all this furious activity from YES has resulted in continuing leads for the Union.Stuart_Dickson said:
There is a reason for that. The PB Tories haven't got the foggiest idea of ground conditions in Scotland. They are totally, blissfully unaware of the non-existence of BT activists on the ground in vaste swathes of the country. Whereas there isn't even a village which hasn't been canvassed by the Yes team. And before September, they will be re-canvassed and re-canvassed and the gaps will be filled in. Meanwhile, GOTV folks over at BT will be looking at their empty databases and pulling their hair out.Mick_Pork said:
The consequences of the big turnout differential still hasn't sunk in for better together or indeed the PB tories. Sooner or later it will.Ishmael_X said:
And worst of all, a close result on very low turnout.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, a close result would be a bad thing, whoever wins. Suspicions of vote-rigging (it'll be fun to see how many postal votes are doled out) could make things contentious. A clear Yes or No would be best.
Yes to AV was leading months out from the vote as was scottish labour by double figures for the 2011 scottish elections. If you wish to be complacent about the ground campaign then by all means let you and your arse speak such 'wisdom' to the No campaign as loudly as you can manage.
As for Ave_It, he seemed to find your arse's outpourings and predictions for the lib dems in 2010 riotously funny. Now why would that be?
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@Mick_Pork wrote :
"As for Ave_It, he seemed to find your arse's outpourings and predictions for the lib dems in 2010 riotously funny. Now why would that be?"
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Because his memory is as bad as his US Presidential forecasting !!0 -
Presumably on the appointed day of independence everyone resident in rUK (unless actively opted not to) will be transferred to "Std Life rUK" and all continues as before. After all if you are invested in share X or gilt Y that would still exist whatever side of the border Std Life were on so value wouldn't be destroyed if your scheme hold German Bunds, or 5000 shares in Coca Cola or whatever.TheWatcher said:'This is a purely precautionary measure, and customers do not need to take any action.'
I bet they do, now that Standard Life have broken cover. I would, if my pension was on the line.
What does change are the possible currency, tax, and regulation risks and as one assumes over 90% of Std Life investments etc are held by rUK residents rather than Scots residents moving south for Std Life is a no brainer to me.
As I have said independence is viable and possible, just not Alex Salmond's version of it. His version relies on others to sign up to things like a currency and regulatory union, which nobody with prospects of power and influence south of Gretna Green seems inclined to do. It might be worth accepting the fallout if you are Scottish, fair enough, but fall out there will be.0 -
Pork - you know Angela isn't introducing a bill here ?0
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Bit of on the ground info:
I had a letter from David Cameron today asking me to register for a postal vote (with an application form and reply paid envelope addressed to the Conservative Party which seemed a bit odd - shouldn't it go to the Council?)
I don't recall receiving any letter from him ever before - I live in a safe Con seat (Hertsmere) though of course that is irrelevant as far as the Euros are concerned.
So what does this indicate? Are they putting a lot of resources into the Euros? No point in wasting time on me for the GE.0 -
Have you told the Cameroons?TGOHF said:Pork - you know Angela isn't introducing a bill here ?
Better Off Out @BetterOffOut 39m
Cameron should not put too much faith in Mrs Merkel: http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2014/02/from-timmontgomerie-cameron-should-not-put-too-much-faith-in-mrs-merkel.html … via @ConHome
norman smith @BBCNormanS 5h
German sources say still waiting for Mr Cameron to tell them what EU powers he wants handed back #merkel0 -
@MickMick_Pork said:
They delivered fewer tory MPs than pandas in scotland and have made the scottish lib dems an irrelevance so I too am very confident that they have good sense.JackW said:
I'm far from complacent but I also have absolute faith in the good sense of the Scottish votersMick_Pork said:
Seven months out from the vote.JackW said:
And yet all this furious activity from YES has resulted in continuing leads for the Union.Stuart_Dickson said:
There is a reason for that. The PB Tories haven't got the foggiest idea of ground conditions in Scotland. They are totally, blissfully unaware of the non-existence of BT activists on the ground in vaste swathes of the country. Whereas there isn't even a village which hasn't been canvassed by the Yes team. And before September, they will be re-canvassed and re-canvassed and the gaps will be filled in. Meanwhile, GOTV folks over at BT will be looking at their empty databases and pulling their hair out.Mick_Pork said:
The consequences of the big turnout differential still hasn't sunk in for better together or indeed the PB tories. Sooner or later it will.Ishmael_X said:
And worst of all, a close result on very low turnout.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, a close result would be a bad thing, whoever wins. Suspicions of vote-rigging (it'll be fun to see how many postal votes are doled out) could make things contentious. A clear Yes or No would be best.
Yes to AV was leading months out from the vote as was scottish labour by double figures for the 2011 scottish elections. If you wish to be complacent about the ground campaign then by all means let you and your arse speak such 'wisdom' to the No campaign as loudly as you can manage.
As for Ave_It, he seemed to find your arse's outpourings and predictions for the lib dems in 2010 riotously funny. Now why would that be?
glad you caught that less/fewer thing - good to see standards remain high in Scotlandshire.0 -
@nicholaswatt: Merkel: crisis in eurozone self inflicted – monetary union not matched by economic union so built up mountains of debt
Who else would be daft enough to propose a currency union without a fiscal union?
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Farage won't believe his luck.
Daily_Express @Daily_Express 2h
Immigration nightmare for PM as official figures show number of Romanians & Bulgarians in UK have TREBLED http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/462081/Immigration-BOMBSHELL-for-Cameron-as-number-of-Romanians-and-Bulgarians-in-Britain-TREBLE …0 -
"Long live our Sacred Germany!" 0
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Quite what individual party Scottish elections results have to do with a single question, once in lifetime and life changing referendum question is beyond me !!Mick_Pork said:
They delivered fewer tory MPs than pandas in scotland and have made the scottish lib dems an irrelevance so I too am very confident that they have good sense.JackW said:
I'm far from complacent but I also have absolute faith in the good sense of the Scottish votersMick_Pork said:
Seven months out from the vote.JackW said:
And yet all this furious activity from YES has resulted in continuing leads for the Union.Stuart_Dickson said:
There is a reason for that. The PB Tories haven't got the foggiest idea of ground conditions in Scotland. They are totally, blissfully unaware of the non-existence of BT activists on the ground in vaste swathes of the country. Whereas there isn't even a village which hasn't been canvassed by the Yes team. And before September, they will be re-canvassed and re-canvassed and the gaps will be filled in. Meanwhile, GOTV folks over at BT will be looking at their empty databases and pulling their hair out.Mick_Pork said:
The consequences of the big turnout differential still hasn't sunk in for better together or indeed the PB tories. Sooner or later it will.Ishmael_X said:
And worst of all, a close result on very low turnout.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, a close result would be a bad thing, whoever wins. Suspicions of vote-rigging (it'll be fun to see how many postal votes are doled out) could make things contentious. A clear Yes or No would be best.
Yes to AV was leading months out from the vote as was scottish labour by double figures for the 2011 scottish elections. If you wish to be complacent about the ground campaign then by all means let you and your arse speak such 'wisdom' to the No campaign as loudly as you can manage.
As for Ave_It, he seemed to find your arse's outpourings and predictions for the lib dems in 2010 riotously funny. Now why would that be?
However if it is to become your comfort blanket in the long nightmare ahead then I say :
Succour .... or more appropriately .... Sucker !!
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Christopher Hope @christopherhope · 3 mins
Patricia Hewitt said NCCL would be prepared to offer legal advice to adults who wanted to have sex with 14-year-olds: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10663580/Patricia-Hewitts-civil-rights-campaign-offered-legal-advice-to-adults-who-have-sex-with-14-year-olds.html …
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You really have become a PBFarage, as predicted.Mick_Pork said:Farage won't believe his luck.
Daily_Express @Daily_Express 2h
Immigration nightmare for PM as official figures show number of Romanians & Bulgarians in UK have TREBLED http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/462081/Immigration-BOMBSHELL-for-Cameron-as-number-of-Romanians-and-Bulgarians-in-Britain-TREBLE …
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What a surprise!Mick_Pork said:Farage won't believe his luck.
Daily_Express @Daily_Express 2h
Immigration nightmare for PM as official figures show number of Romanians & Bulgarians in UK have TREBLED http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/462081/Immigration-BOMBSHELL-for-Cameron-as-number-of-Romanians-and-Bulgarians-in-Britain-TREBLE …0 -
Of course it is. You seem blissfully unaware of how the scottish public views things as well as the tactics of those in charge of both the 2011 scottish labour campaign and now the No campaign.JackW said:Quite what individual party Scottish elections results have to do with a single question, once in lifetime and life changing referendum question is beyond me !!
Balls and Miliband to rescue Labour’s Scottish campaign…
Can Ed Miliband and Ed Balls save Labour in Scotland? The two Labour heavyweights have decided to move in to rescue their party’s disastrous campaign in Scotland — with Balls being sent up north to sharpen his party’s teeth. A desperate measure for a desperate situation: Labour has not only blown a 10-15 point lead over the SNP in just a few weeks, but now languishes some 10-13 percentage points behind. A mammoth, humiliating defeat looms.
Until now, Labour has liked to portray its campaign for the Holyrood elections as a totally Scottish affair: run in Scotland, organised in Scotland and led by Scottish politicians. Not any more.
Senior staffers in Ed Miliband’s office started briefing Scottish hacks last night that Miliband is now going to take a much more "hands on" approach to the campaign. Miliband has only made one, brief appearance in the campaign so far. But he and Ed Balls are due to be in Scotland this week to push a more strident "anti-independence" message.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2011/04/balls-and-miliband-to-rescue-labours-scottish-campaign/
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Merkel; 'In order to get that, we need a strong United Kingdom, in a strong United Europe'
The bully!0 -
Gabriele Steinhauser @gksteinhauser 3m
Merkel confident if we really want to change EU "we will find the necessary legal instruments." Doesnt sound like treaty change is imminent.0 -
You really have become a PBFarage, as predicted.MonikerDiCanio said:Mick_Pork said:Farage won't believe his luck.
Daily_Express @Daily_Express 2h
Immigration nightmare for PM as official figures show number of Romanians & Bulgarians in UK have TREBLED http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/462081/Immigration-BOMBSHELL-for-Cameron-as-number-of-Romanians-and-Bulgarians-in-Britain-TREBLE …
Porky can't be joining UKIP? LOL
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Porky can't be joining UKIP? LOLMikeK said:
You really have become a PBFarage, as predicted.MonikerDiCanio said:Mick_Pork said:Farage won't believe his luck.
Daily_Express @Daily_Express 2h
Immigration nightmare for PM as official figures show number of Romanians & Bulgarians in UK have TREBLED http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/462081/Immigration-BOMBSHELL-for-Cameron-as-number-of-Romanians-and-Bulgarians-in-Britain-TREBLE …
And it seems like only yesterday, that Salmond wanted to join the Euro.
Chortle.
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Porky can't be joining UKIP? LOLMikeK said:
You really have become a PBFarage, as predicted.MonikerDiCanio said:Mick_Pork said:Farage won't believe his luck.
Daily_Express @Daily_Express 2h
Immigration nightmare for PM as official figures show number of Romanians & Bulgarians in UK have TREBLED http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/462081/Immigration-BOMBSHELL-for-Cameron-as-number-of-Romanians-and-Bulgarians-in-Britain-TREBLE …
As a YES voter, he supports the quickest way out of the EU.
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Net migration was a ridiculous taregt given that the government can't control emigration (beyond being so inomcpetent as to encouraghe people to leave the country..)Richard_Nabavi said:
No it's not. The target related to non-EU net migration.BenM said:Cameron's idiotic net migration pledge is in tatters:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26367391
If they'd based the taregt on something sensible and chievable (i.e.g non-EU non-student iimmigration) they weould probably be able to claim victory right now. If, opf course, you believ that reducing migration is a good thing, which is highly debatable.0 -
The NCCL also placed an advert in PIE's "Year of the Child" magazine, in 1979.Slackbladder said:Christopher Hope @christopherhope · 3 mins
Patricia Hewitt said NCCL would be prepared to offer legal advice to adults who wanted to have sex with 14-year-olds: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10663580/Patricia-Hewitts-civil-rights-campaign-offered-legal-advice-to-adults-who-have-sex-with-14-year-olds.html …
Story just got more legs...
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Mick_Pork said:
Of course it is. You seem blissfully unaware of how the scottish public views things as well as the tactics of those in charge of both the 2011 scottish labour campaign and now the No campaign.JackW said:Quite what individual party Scottish elections results have to do with a single question, once in lifetime and life changing referendum question is beyond me !!
Balls and Miliband to rescue Labour’s Scottish campaign…
Can Ed Miliband and Ed Balls save Labour in Scotland? The two Labour heavyweights have decided to move in to rescue their party’s disastrous campaign in Scotland — with Balls being sent up north to sharpen his party’s teeth. A desperate measure for a desperate situation: Labour has not only blown a 10-15 point lead over the SNP in just a few weeks, but now languishes some 10-13 percentage points behind. A mammoth, humiliating defeat looms.
Until now, Labour has liked to portray its campaign for the Holyrood elections as a totally Scottish affair: run in Scotland, organised in Scotland and led by Scottish politicians. Not any more.
Senior staffers in Ed Miliband’s office started briefing Scottish hacks last night that Miliband is now going to take a much more "hands on" approach to the campaign. Miliband has only made one, brief appearance in the campaign so far. But he and Ed Balls are due to be in Scotland this week to push a more strident "anti-independence" message.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2011/04/balls-and-miliband-to-rescue-labours-scottish-campaign/
You seem blissfully unaware that there is no single Scottish public view. It is not a monolith that might be manipulated by the nefarious activities of individual politicians or parties.
Scottish opinion is a huge patchwork into which the maelstrom of the Referendum campaign pours forth. Presently NO is the winner and will remain so on 18 Sep.
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Porky can't be joining UKIP? LOLMikeK said:
You really have become a PBFarage, as predicted.MonikerDiCanio said:Mick_Pork said:Farage won't believe his luck.
Daily_Express @Daily_Express 2h
Immigration nightmare for PM as official figures show number of Romanians & Bulgarians in UK have TREBLED http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/462081/Immigration-BOMBSHELL-for-Cameron-as-number-of-Romanians-and-Bulgarians-in-Britain-TREBLE …
I said he won't believe his luck since he went big on the Bulgarian and Romanian 'exodus' and only a fool wouldn't know he will make a huge play of these new immigration figures.
Blairites like Monica will take any refuge since the all too tragic fall of their hero from grace.
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Swinney on BBC pretending everyone will sign up to his plans. Deluded.0
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Merkel sobbing about past history. Weepy, weepy!
BUT PLAYING HARDBALL ON RE-NEGOTIATIONS. BUGGER OFF, CAMMO, SHE IS SAYING
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And this statement is wrong. It was the immigration cap that only applied to non-EU migration (because, opf course, EU immigration can't be capped). The net migration target applied to all immigration.Richard_Nabavi said:
No it's not. The target related to non-EU net migration.BenM said:Cameron's idiotic net migration pledge is in tatters:
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You seem blissfully unaware that there is no single Scottish public view. It is not a monolith that might be manipulated by the nefarious activities of individual politicians or parties.JackW said:Mick_Pork said:
Of course it is. You seem blissfully unaware of how the scottish public views things as well as the tactics of those in charge of both the 2011 scottish labour campaign and now the No campaign.JackW said:Quite what individual party Scottish elections results have to do with a single question, once in lifetime and life changing referendum question is beyond me !!
Balls and Miliband to rescue Labour’s Scottish campaign…
Can Ed Miliband and Ed Balls save Labour in Scotland? The two Labour heavyweights have decided to move in to rescue their party’s disastrous campaign in Scotland — with Balls being sent up north to sharpen his party’s teeth. A desperate measure for a desperate situation: Labour has not only blown a 10-15 point lead over the SNP in just a few weeks, but now languishes some 10-13 percentage points behind. A mammoth, humiliating defeat looms.
Until now, Labour has liked to portray its campaign for the Holyrood elections as a totally Scottish affair: run in Scotland, organised in Scotland and led by Scottish politicians. Not any more.
Senior staffers in Ed Miliband’s office started briefing Scottish hacks last night that Miliband is now going to take a much more "hands on" approach to the campaign. Miliband has only made one, brief appearance in the campaign so far. But he and Ed Balls are due to be in Scotland this week to push a more strident "anti-independence" message.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2011/04/balls-and-miliband-to-rescue-labours-scottish-campaign/
Oh really? You think the tories are particularly popular in scotland then do you Jacky? What about the lib dems under calamity Clegg? An election or a referendum is a distillation of a political issue around the parties who espouse and oppose it. Those political parties matter chum as self-evidently does the campaign and the logistics of the ground game and GOTV.
It sure as hell mattered in 2011 and the AV vote and it's absolutely going to matter in seven months time. If you are too old and blind to see that then that would be your problem.
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Can someone rationally explain exactly what is in our interest as rUK to enter a formal currency union with an independent Scotland. So far all that I have read is that there would be no transaction tax between Scot/rUK trade. Surely there is more to it than that. I really do want to know since I have yet to form a view on Scottish independence...0
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I think Jack reeled one in there....0
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André @andreimuri 13m
I’m surprised no Eurosceptic MPs decided to boo. must’ve been mesmerised by #Merkel’s (not particularly charismatic) speech
Luke Baker @LukeReuters 37m
Merkel burst Cameron's balloon: "Those who expect me to promise fundamental reforms of EU architecture for UK are in for a disappointment"
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"12:34: The Crimean parliament has announced that a referendum will be held on independence, Russia's ITAR-TASS news agency reports."
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Max please stop trying to bully Scotland.MaxPB said:Can someone rationally explain exactly what is in our interest as rUK to enter a formal currency union with an independent Scotland. So far all that I have read is that there would be no transaction tax between Scot/rUK trade. Surely there is more to it than that. I really do want to know since I have yet to form a view on Scottish independence...
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@beckymbarrow: First, Standard Life on Scotland. Now, Standard & Poor's. 'A large part of this activity [fin services] could be re-domiciled to the UK.'0 -
@UK_Together: We have produced a simple guide to the #indyref debate for beginners. http://t.co/269rRpxB7t0
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Oh really? You think the tories are particularly popular in scotland then do you Jacky? What about the lib dems under calamity Clegg? An election or a referendum is a distillation of a political issue around the parties who espouse and oppose it. Those political parties matter chum as self-evidently does the campaign and the logistics of the ground game and GOTV.Mick_Pork said:
You seem blissfully unaware that there is no single Scottish public view. It is not a monolith that might be manipulated by the nefarious activities of individual politicians or parties.JackW said:Mick_Pork said:
Of course it is. You seem blissfully unaware of how the scottish public views things as well as the tactics of those in charge of both the 2011 scottish labour campaign and now the No campaign.JackW said:Quite what individual party Scottish elections results have to do with a single question, once in lifetime and life changing referendum question is beyond me !!
Balls and Miliband to rescue Labour’s Scottish campaign…
Can Ed Miliband and Ed Balls save Labour in Scotland? The two Labour heavyweights have decided to move in to rescue their party’s disastrous campaign in Scotland — with Balls being sent up north to sharpen his party’s teeth. A desperate measure for a desperate situation: Labour has not only blown a 10-15 point lead over the SNP in just a few weeks, but now languishes some 10-13 percentage points behind. A mammoth, humiliating defeat looms.
Until now, Labour has liked to portray its campaign for the Holyrood elections as a totally Scottish affair: run in Scotland, organised in Scotland and led by Scottish politicians. Not any more.
Senior staffers in Ed Miliband’s office started briefing Scottish hacks last night that Miliband is now going to take a much more "hands on" approach to the campaign. Miliband has only made one, brief appearance in the campaign so far. But he and Ed Balls are due to be in Scotland this week to push a more strident "anti-independence" message.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2011/04/balls-and-miliband-to-rescue-labours-scottish-campaign/
It sure as hell mattered in 2011 and the AV vote and it's absolutely going to matter in seven months time. If you are too old and blind to see that then that would be your problem.
My word you are a clutz at times.
Whether Scottish Tories, LibDems, SNP or Labour are popular or not isn't relevant.
The Referendum question transcends simple party politics. Why are there SNP NO voters or SLAB YES voters ?
Scottish voters have to distil a variety of arguments from all shades of opinion, some of it varying from within parties. From that a decision will be made. And NO will prevail.
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Olaf Cramme @olafcramme 49m
Bang. #Merkel: “Those who hoped my speech will pave the way for fundamental #EU reform based on British wishes will be disappointed.”
J.S. Lindley-French @FrencLindley 1m
Merkel in London offers no straws for Cameron to cling onto. If anything Eurosceptics will have hardened their views. Forget renegotiation.
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In a referendum, it's the votes that matter, not the number of constituencies won. If the Conservatives really were so unpopular in Scotland in 2010, what does that say about the SNP, who outpolled the Tories by a massive 3.2%? A little bit less unpopular?Mick_Pork said:
They delivered fewer tory MPs than pandas in scotland and have made the scottish lib dems an irrelevance so I too am very confident that they have good sense.JackW said:
I'm far from complacent but I also have absolute faith in the good sense of the Scottish votersMick_Pork said:
Seven months out from the vote.JackW said:
And yet all this furious activity from YES has resulted in continuing leads for the Union.Stuart_Dickson said:
There is a reason for that. The PB Tories haven't got the foggiest idea of ground conditions in Scotland. They are totally, blissfully unaware of the non-existence of BT activists on the ground in vaste swathes of the country. Whereas there isn't even a village which hasn't been canvassed by the Yes team. And before September, they will be re-canvassed and re-canvassed and the gaps will be filled in. Meanwhile, GOTV folks over at BT will be looking at their empty databases and pulling their hair out.Mick_Pork said:
The consequences of the big turnout differential still hasn't sunk in for better together or indeed the PB tories. Sooner or later it will.Ishmael_X said:
And worst of all, a close result on very low turnout.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, a close result would be a bad thing, whoever wins. Suspicions of vote-rigging (it'll be fun to see how many postal votes are doled out) could make things contentious. A clear Yes or No would be best.
Yes to AV was leading months out from the vote as was scottish labour by double figures for the 2011 scottish elections. If you wish to be complacent about the ground campaign then by all means let you and your arse speak such 'wisdom' to the No campaign as loudly as you can manage.
As for Ave_It, he seemed to find your arse's outpourings and predictions for the lib dems in 2010 riotously funny. Now why would that be?
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Cue malcolmg with a 'F*** em all, we don't need those b****rds'Scott_P said:oops
@beckymbarrow: First, Standard Life on Scotland. Now, Standard & Poor's. 'A large part of this activity [fin services] could be re-domiciled to the UK.'
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I disagree.antifrank said:What is now apparent is that after the independence referendum there will be lasting bitterness in Scotland whichever way the vote goes.
A post-Yes Scotland will quickly move on. You underestimate how much the middle class will gain by independence. Just look at the flourishing Norwegian middle class. It was the same after 1999 devolution: it was astonishing how quickly Scots got used to the new set-up. Support for going back to the pre-1999 status quo (ie. abolishing the SP) has withered away to sub 10%.
Post No will be very similar to the years of national depression after the 1979 referendum: John Smith's "unfinished business". With the added spice that the victorious No side are going to go out of their way to absolutely shaft Scotland at every opportunity (cf the Thatcher years). They would not be magnanimous winners.
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It's not EU tanks on Ukraine's border.MrJones said:Merkel waffling about WWII while the EU is trying to start WWIII seems a bit inappropriate.
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Even sillier then.david_herdson said:
It's not EU tanks on Ukraine's border.MrJones said:Merkel waffling about WWII while the EU is trying to start WWIII seems a bit inappropriate.
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Crimea was part of the Russian Federation until 1954. Also, Donetsk and Lugansk in the east of Ukraine have Russian-speaking majorities.AndyJS said:"12:34: The Crimean parliament has announced that a referendum will be held on independence, Russia's ITAR-TASS news agency reports."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26370257
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So far the argument has consisted of a £500m benefit to trade from transaction costs and being non-confrontational to iScot.MaxPB said:Anyone?
This is dwarfed by negatives. We've just written off £46bn on RBS or 92 years of transaction costs. There are a whole host of other downsides from the economic ( Scotland can't control its currency ) to the political ( every UK PM is the bogeyman when he tell Scots no ).0 -
I assume you haven't u-turned on ditching FPTP? Or maybe you don't realise that scottish voters are well aware of how to use that system tactically as well as the difference between a westminster and scottish parliament vote.david_herdson said:In a referendum, it's the votes that matter, not the number of constituencies won. If the Conservatives really were so unpopular in Scotland in 2010, what does that say about the SNP, who outpolled the Tories by a massive 3.2%? A little bit less unpopular?
I assume you don't need me to give you the overall unionist / nationalist split in votes, never mind MPs?
If you're so confident that tories like Cammie and Osbrowne aren't toxic in scotland then by all means send them to scotland every week if they are the referendum winner you seem to think they are. Try and get Clegg up too as much as possible while you're at it.
It's the votes that turnout that matter in a referendum so if you don't understand why GOTV and a ground campaign will be crucial then you can join Jack in his complacency.
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BundesAngie @BundesAngie 1m
Merkel Dampens UK Expectations On EU Reform: Those expecting Germany to pave the way for fundamental EU reform... http://binged.it/N6YgD2
Karl Frampton @Karl_Frampton 3m
Think Angela Merkel went down with the Tory Eurosceptics like a Lead Zeppelin!
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Award yourself a prize for taking things out of context (or letting a random twittertwat do it for you).Scott_P said:oops
@beckymbarrow: First, Standard Life on Scotland. Now, Standard & Poor's. 'A large part of this activity [fin services] could be re-domiciled to the UK.'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10665032/Scotland-could-go-it-alone-Standard-and-Poors.html
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My poor keyboard, how it keeps working I don't know. That remark caused it to be annointed again, this time with me choking on my lunchtime pilsner.Alanbrooke said:
Max please stop trying to bully Scotland.MaxPB said:Can someone rationally explain exactly what is in our interest as rUK to enter a formal currency union with an independent Scotland. So far all that I have read is that there would be no transaction tax between Scot/rUK trade. Surely there is more to it than that. I really do want to know since I have yet to form a view on Scottish independence...
Anyway, I have read ever post in this mornings thread something I seldom do these days for obvious reasons and am left confused by one point that, Mr. Brooke, you may be able to help me with. What is with the references to Somerset and Wings over Somerset?0 -
You think it's about time Cammie had a word with his chum Putin then?david_herdson said:
It's not EU tanks on Ukraine's border.MrJones said:Merkel waffling about WWII while the EU is trying to start WWIII seems a bit inappropriate.
Raymond Soltysek @raymondsoltysek Feb 23
Hague warns Putin not to interfere in Ukraine while Cameron encourages Putin to intervene to prevent Scottish independence #indyref
Tom Delargy @derekrootboy Feb 21
Alistair Carmichael want to remind #bbcaq listeners David Cameron tried to enlist Putin to help him crush Scottish independence?0 -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2545901/Cybernats-unmasked-Meet-footsoldiers-pro-Scottish-independence-army-online-poison-shames-Nationalists.htmlHurstLlama said:
My poor keyboard, how it keeps working I don't know. That remark caused it to be annointed again, this time with me choking on my lunchtime pilsner.Alanbrooke said:
Max please stop trying to bully Scotland.MaxPB said:Can someone rationally explain exactly what is in our interest as rUK to enter a formal currency union with an independent Scotland. So far all that I have read is that there would be no transaction tax between Scot/rUK trade. Surely there is more to it than that. I really do want to know since I have yet to form a view on Scottish independence...
Anyway, I have read ever post in this mornings thread something I seldom do these days for obvious reasons and am left confused by one point that, Mr. Brooke, you may be able to help me with. What is with the references to Somerset and Wings over Somerset?
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And that assumes that rUK businesses invoice in Scottish Pounds - some (many?) may just use sterling - why invoice in a minor, possibly volatile currency?Alanbrooke said:
So far the argument has consisted of a £500m benefit to trade from transaction costsMaxPB said:Anyone?
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This bit's also interesting:Ishmael_X said:Award yourself a prize for taking things out of context (or letting a random twittertwat do it for you).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10665032/Scotland-could-go-it-alone-Standard-and-Poors.html
Still, a newly-independent Scotland would be likely to face a shrinking economy if financial services, which account for 8pc of GDP, relocate to the remaining UK, said the report. Scotland may also be forced to reduce the size of its public sector workforce, which at nearly a quarter of the total population is well above the UK average, while Scottish companies which benefit from strong integration with the rest of Britain could also suffer, said S&P.
i.e. a period of Thatcherite readjustment, but I'd be optimistic that an independent Scotland would do well once it had got through that.0 -
It was one I missed myself initially Mr L. It would appear that some of our oft quoted cybernat sites aren't actually based in Scotland. The prime nat site Wings over Scotland is run by a bloke living in Bath ( hence Somerset ) claiming to be a minister. Newsnet which is the other big Nat site has an IP address in Gloucester.HurstLlama said:
My poor keyboard, how it keeps working I don't know. That remark caused it to be annointed again, this time with me choking on my lunchtime pilsner.Alanbrooke said:
Max please stop trying to bully Scotland.MaxPB said:Can someone rationally explain exactly what is in our interest as rUK to enter a formal currency union with an independent Scotland. So far all that I have read is that there would be no transaction tax between Scot/rUK trade. Surely there is more to it than that. I really do want to know since I have yet to form a view on Scottish independence...
Anyway, I have read ever post in this mornings thread something I seldom do these days for obvious reasons and am left confused by one point that, Mr. Brooke, you may be able to help me with. What is with the references to Somerset and Wings over Somerset?
So when Pork tells you you don't understand what's happening in Scotland it's probably because you've been reading a view from the West Country posted by a bloke from Sweden in the false belief it's somehow related to what Scots think. Warwickshire is actually closer to the action.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2545901/Cybernats-unmasked-Meet-footsoldiers-pro-Scottish-independence-army-online-poison-shames-Nationalists.html
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Thank you, Mr. Watcher, I now have a little more understanding of some of the more deranged posts.0
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Thanks, Mr. B.. What particularly struck me from that article is how some of these people have managed to turn their ranting into profit making. I seem to recall that there were posts on here yesterday about the Wings bloke, who you now tell me lives in Bath raising £60k in a few hours. That we were assured shows the strength of feeling for the yes vote. Seems to me, now, to be confirmation that the old adage about fools and their money soon being parted is particularly true. A conman fleecing money out of the gullible seems to have nothing to do with politics.Alanbrooke said:
It was one I missed myself initially Mr L. It would appear that some of our oft quoted cybernat sites aren't actually based in Scotland. The prime nat site Wings over Scotland is run by a bloke living in Bath ( hence Somerset ) claiming to be a minister. Newsnet which is the other big Nat site has an IP address in Gloucester.HurstLlama said:
My poor keyboard, how it keeps working I don't know. That remark caused it to be annointed again, this time with me choking on my lunchtime pilsner.Alanbrooke said:
Max please stop trying to bully Scotland.MaxPB said:Can someone rationally explain exactly what is in our interest as rUK to enter a formal currency union with an independent Scotland. So far all that I have read is that there would be no transaction tax between Scot/rUK trade. Surely there is more to it than that. I really do want to know since I have yet to form a view on Scottish independence...
Anyway, I have read ever post in this mornings thread something I seldom do these days for obvious reasons and am left confused by one point that, Mr. Brooke, you may be able to help me with. What is with the references to Somerset and Wings over Somerset?
So when Pork tells you you don't understand what's happening in Scotland it's probably because you've been reading a view from the West Country posted by a bloke from Sweden in the false belief it's somehow related to what Scots think. Warwickshire is actually closer to the action.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2545901/Cybernats-unmasked-Meet-footsoldiers-pro-Scottish-independence-army-online-poison-shames-Nationalists.html0 -
The wings chappy crowd raises cash to run polling programmes that miraculously always seem to agree with what he says. So fools, money and separation work together on so many levels. The odder thing to me is how the staunchest patriots never seem want to live in the place.HurstLlama said:
Thanks, Mr. B.. What particularly struck me from that article is how some of these people have managed to turn their ranting into profit making. I seem to recall that there were posts on here yesterday about the Wings bloke, who you now tell me lives in Bath raising £60k in a few hours. That we were assured shows the strength of feeling for the yes vote. Seems to me, now, to be confirmation that the old adage about fools and their money soon being parted is particularly true. A conman fleecing money out of the gullible seems to have nothing to do with politics.Alanbrooke said:
It was one I missed myself initially Mr L. It would appear that some of our oft quoted cybernat sites aren't actually based in Scotland. The prime nat site Wings over Scotland is run by a bloke living in Bath ( hence Somerset ) claiming to be a minister. Newsnet which is the other big Nat site has an IP address in Gloucester.HurstLlama said:
My poor keyboard, how it keeps working I don't know. That remark caused it to be annointed again, this time with me choking on my lunchtime pilsner.Alanbrooke said:
Max please stop trying to bully Scotland.MaxPB said:Can someone rationally explain exactly what is in our interest as rUK to enter a formal currency union with an independent Scotland. So far all that I have read is that there would be no transaction tax between Scot/rUK trade. Surely there is more to it than that. I really do want to know since I have yet to form a view on Scottish independence...
Anyway, I have read ever post in this mornings thread something I seldom do these days for obvious reasons and am left confused by one point that, Mr. Brooke, you may be able to help me with. What is with the references to Somerset and Wings over Somerset?
So when Pork tells you you don't understand what's happening in Scotland it's probably because you've been reading a view from the West Country posted by a bloke from Sweden in the false belief it's somehow related to what Scots think. Warwickshire is actually closer to the action.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2545901/Cybernats-unmasked-Meet-footsoldiers-pro-Scottish-independence-army-online-poison-shames-Nationalists.html0 -
Merkel sobbing about past history. Weepy, weepy!
BUT PLAYING HARDBALL ON RE-NEGOTIATIONS. BUGGER OFF, CAMMO, SHE IS SAYING.
Those poor old tory eurosceptics have had their balls squeezed by a big pair of female hands made in Germany. LOL
The UKIP spring conference has been handed a nice gift from Merky. Farage must have a big smile on his face.
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An deiner Stelle I'd be studying more how the Nats have cocked up on the economy looking at where it all went wrong instead of crowing before the sun rises.MikeK said:Merkel sobbing about past history. Weepy, weepy!
BUT PLAYING HARDBALL ON RE-NEGOTIATIONS. BUGGER OFF, CAMMO, SHE IS SAYING.
Those poor old tory eurosceptics have had their balls squeezed by a big pair female hands made in Germany. LOL
The UKIP spring conference has been handed a nice gift from Merky. Farage must have a big smile on his face.0 -
Trying to understand Paul Staines lunatic rejects like Wotcher will do that for you.HurstLlama said:Thank you, Mr. Watcher, I now have a little more understanding of some of the more deranged posts.
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What the heck are you on about?Alanbrooke said:
An deiner Stelle I'd be studying more how the Nats have cocked up on the economy looking at where it all went wrong instead of crowing before the sun rises.MikeK said:Merkel sobbing about past history. Weepy, weepy!
BUT PLAYING HARDBALL ON RE-NEGOTIATIONS. BUGGER OFF, CAMMO, SHE IS SAYING.
Those poor old tory eurosceptics have had their balls squeezed by a big pair female hands made in Germany. LOL
The UKIP spring conference has been handed a nice gift from Merky. Farage must have a big smile on his face.
I think it's your chickens that are coming home to roost, and among those chickens are a few hawks.
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Pointing out the obvious Mr K that if we had a referendum tomorrow yelling EUSSR isn't going to carry it.MikeK said:
What the heck are you on about?Alanbrooke said:
An deiner Stelle I'd be studying more how the Nats have cocked up on the economy looking at where it all went wrong instead of crowing before the sun rises.MikeK said:Merkel sobbing about past history. Weepy, weepy!
BUT PLAYING HARDBALL ON RE-NEGOTIATIONS. BUGGER OFF, CAMMO, SHE IS SAYING.
Those poor old tory eurosceptics have had their balls squeezed by a big pair female hands made in Germany. LOL
The UKIP spring conference has been handed a nice gift from Merky. Farage must have a big smile on his face.
I think it's your chickens that are coming home to roost, and among those chickens are a few hawks.0 -
You're losing it Alanbrooke. Like your namesake, I'd go out into the fresh air and study a few birds.Alanbrooke said:
Pointing out the obvious Mr K that if we had a referendum tomorrow yelling EUSSR isn't going to carry it.MikeK said:
What the heck are you on about?Alanbrooke said:
An deiner Stelle I'd be studying more how the Nats have cocked up on the economy looking at where it all went wrong instead of crowing before the sun rises.MikeK said:Merkel sobbing about past history. Weepy, weepy!
BUT PLAYING HARDBALL ON RE-NEGOTIATIONS. BUGGER OFF, CAMMO, SHE IS SAYING.
Those poor old tory eurosceptics have had their balls squeezed by a big pair female hands made in Germany. LOL
The UKIP spring conference has been handed a nice gift from Merky. Farage must have a big smile on his face.
I think it's your chickens that are coming home to roost, and among those chickens are a few hawks.0 -
No need, I know a turkey when I see one.MikeK said:
You're losing it Alanbrooke. Like your namesake, I'd go out into the fresh air and study a few birds.Alanbrooke said:
Pointing out the obvious Mr K that if we had a referendum tomorrow yelling EUSSR isn't going to carry it.MikeK said:
What the heck are you on about?Alanbrooke said:
An deiner Stelle I'd be studying more how the Nats have cocked up on the economy looking at where it all went wrong instead of crowing before the sun rises.MikeK said:Merkel sobbing about past history. Weepy, weepy!
BUT PLAYING HARDBALL ON RE-NEGOTIATIONS. BUGGER OFF, CAMMO, SHE IS SAYING.
Those poor old tory eurosceptics have had their balls squeezed by a big pair female hands made in Germany. LOL
The UKIP spring conference has been handed a nice gift from Merky. Farage must have a big smile on his face.
I think it's your chickens that are coming home to roost, and among those chickens are a few hawks.
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GOTV matters in low-turnout polls. I very much doubt that will be the case in the Scottish referendum unless the nationalists have bored everyone to death by then. Campaigning ability does matter, and that includes ground campaigning but it also includes the airwaves, newspapers and other general campaigning.Mick_Pork said:
I assume you haven't u-turned on ditching FPTP? Or maybe you don't realise that scottish voters are well aware of how to use that system tactically as well as the difference between a westminster and scottish parliament vote.david_herdson said:In a referendum, it's the votes that matter, not the number of constituencies won. If the Conservatives really were so unpopular in Scotland in 2010, what does that say about the SNP, who outpolled the Tories by a massive 3.2%? A little bit less unpopular?
I assume you don't need me to give you the overall unionist / nationalist split in votes, never mind MPs?
If you're so confident that tories like Cammie and Osbrowne aren't toxic in scotland then by all means send them to scotland every week if they are the referendum winner you seem to think they are. Try and get Clegg up too as much as possible while you're at it.
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You didn't understand the differential turnout figures then.david_herdson said:
GOTV matters in low-turnout polls. I very much doubt that will be the case in the Scottish referendum unless the nationalists have bored everyone to death by then.Mick_Pork said:
I assume you haven't u-turned on ditching FPTP? Or maybe you don't realise that scottish voters are well aware of how to use that system tactically as well as the difference between a westminster and scottish parliament vote.david_herdson said:In a referendum, it's the votes that matter, not the number of constituencies won. If the Conservatives really were so unpopular in Scotland in 2010, what does that say about the SNP, who outpolled the Tories by a massive 3.2%? A little bit less unpopular?
I assume you don't need me to give you the overall unionist / nationalist split in votes, never mind MPs?
If you're so confident that tories like Cammie and Osbrowne aren't toxic in scotland then by all means send them to scotland every week if they are the referendum winner you seem to think they are. Try and get Clegg up too as much as possible while you're at it.
It's the votes that turnout that matter in a referendum so if you don't understand why GOTV and a ground campaign will be crucial then you can join Jack in his complacency.
Good.
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