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I really have been there. Ripped white t-shirts day or night winter or summer. I was even refused entry to a club there. There were literally people uninating against the wall and the doorman said I couldn't come in. 'No jacket and tie?' I asked humouously. 'No' he said 'plimsoles'. You might cut your feet on the broken glass'CarlottaVance said:
I remember R4 in the early 80s after riots in Bristol and other cities crossing breathlessly to Newcastle after reports of trouble in the Bigg Market - "How would you describe it" "Typical Saturday night" came the reply. But I do recommend Roger make his first outing to the Bigg Market in the dead on winter with slush on the ground and driving horizontal rain. He'll find everyone dressed much as they do in the South of France at the height of summer - though possibly with more flesh on display...Gallowgate said:@Roger you have clearly never been on a night out on the Bigg Market...
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There aren’t that many Labour Leavers left . Only around 20% now say leaving the EU was the right decision . The Labour vote is a lot more Remain than in 2016.HYUFD said:
If of course Labour still is committed officially to a Customs Union not EUref2 and thus is in danger of losing voters to CUK. Though if it did back EUref2 Labour Leavers would also be more likely to go to the Brexit Partynico67 said:
The Tories yes but if Labour have a confirmatory vote they’re likely to do quite well and could come out on top.HYUFD said:0 -
I'm currently half way through a novel about a loss adjuster, who spends his time talking to people who are making insurance claims following dodgy fires.
So far, no places of worship have featured in the storyline.0 -
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Willy-waving competition for the French super-rich.HYUFD said:Billionaires Bernaud Arnault and Francois Pinaut pledge 200 million and 100 million euros respectively to the Notre Dame rebuild
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It's all the younger people reporting themselves as Labour voters.nico67 said:
There aren’t that many Labour Leavers left . Only around 20% now say leaving the EU was the right decision . The Labour vote is a lot more Remain than in 2016.HYUFD said:
If of course Labour still is committed officially to a Customs Union not EUref2 and thus is in danger of losing voters to CUK. Though if it did back EUref2 Labour Leavers would also be more likely to go to the Brexit Partynico67 said:
The Tories yes but if Labour have a confirmatory vote they’re likely to do quite well and could come out on top.HYUFD said:0 -
It is scary that the team around corbyn is far worse than him.HYUFD said:0 -
Voting to leave was definitely the right thing to do - just look how it has screwed the Tories. Actually leaving, under the terms on offer, is a different kettle of fish...nico67 said:
There aren’t that many Labour Leavers left . Only around 20% now say leaving the EU was the right decision . The Labour vote is a lot more Remain than in 2016.HYUFD said:
If of course Labour still is committed officially to a Customs Union not EUref2 and thus is in danger of losing voters to CUK. Though if it did back EUref2 Labour Leavers would also be more likely to go to the Brexit Partynico67 said:
The Tories yes but if Labour have a confirmatory vote they’re likely to do quite well and could come out on top.HYUFD said:0 -
Electoral Commission approves CUK as a UK registered political party so it can officially contrast the European elections and be on the ballot paper
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Helpful for the rebuild thoughSandyRentool said:
Willy-waving competition for the French super-rich.HYUFD said:Billionaires Bernaud Arnault and Francois Pinaut pledge 200 million and 100 million euros respectively to the Notre Dame rebuild
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-479437050 -
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Most Labour seats and Tory marginals voted Leave thoughnico67 said:
There aren’t that many Labour Leavers left . Only around 20% now say leaving the EU was the right decision . The Labour vote is a lot more Remain than in 2016.HYUFD said:
If of course Labour still is committed officially to a Customs Union not EUref2 and thus is in danger of losing voters to CUK. Though if it did back EUref2 Labour Leavers would also be more likely to go to the Brexit Partynico67 said:
The Tories yes but if Labour have a confirmatory vote they’re likely to do quite well and could come out on top.HYUFD said:0 -
The EU probably prefers May to Corbyn or a hard Brexiteer like Johnson though CUK doing well would be their idealCyclefree said:0 -
If you're referring to Quarry House, I really like that buildingMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Blue, there's a pair of buildings on the way into Leeds, near the Big Yellow Storage place, that make me think of 1984.
As an aside, Leeds has some rather nice architecture, but it's share of concrete monstrosities too. There's also a church (maybe Trinity, not sure) that's very Gotham City.0 -
Some years ago, on a bitterly cold January day....... Essex and an East wind blowing..... I went to the funeral of the teenage child of a colleague. Many of the lads classmates were there. There were two of us from 'management' and were both amazed at the skimpy clothes the girls wore. My female colleague kept asking 'do their mother's know they've come here dressed like that!?'.Roger said:
I really have been there. Ripped white t-shirts day or night winter or summer. I was even refused entry to a club there. There were literally people uninating against the wall and the doorman said I couldn't come in. 'No jacket and tie?' I asked humouously. 'No' he said 'plimsoles'. You might cut your feet on the broken glass'CarlottaVance said:
I remember R4 in the early 80s after riots in Bristol and other cities crossing breathlessly to Newcastle after reports of trouble in the Bigg Market - "How would you describe it" "Typical Saturday night" came the reply. But I do recommend Roger make his first outing to the Bigg Market in the dead on winter with slush on the ground and driving horizontal rain. He'll find everyone dressed much as they do in the South of France at the height of summer - though possibly with more flesh on display...Gallowgate said:@Roger you have clearly never been on a night out on the Bigg Market...
The burial ground was nearly a mile away from the church too, and we all walked. It was even worse filing slowly past the grave.0 -
So what? Better contributed to the social good than in their pockets.SandyRentool said:
Willy-waving competition for the French super-rich.HYUFD said:Billionaires Bernaud Arnault and Francois Pinaut pledge 200 million and 100 million euros respectively to the Notre Dame rebuild
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-479437050 -
Crystal Palace goalkeeper Wayne Hennessey did not know what a Nazi salute was when he was charged with making the offensive gesture, says a Football Association panel.
The charge was found not proven this month and Wales international Hennessey, 32, will face no punishment.The regulatory commission has published its written reasons for the decision.
It said Hennessey showed a "lamentable degree of ignorance" about Adolf Hitler, fascism and the Nazi regime.
I know footballers have a reputation for being thick, but really....0 -
I feel you're painting Newcastle in a bad light. I assume this wasn't too recent. Newcastle is pretty damn gentrified these days. Gone are the days of 3 treble vodkas for £3.Roger said:
I really have been there. Ripped white t-shirts day or night winter or summer. I was even refused entry to a club there. There were literally people uninating against the wall and the doorman said I couldn't come in. 'No jacket and tie?' I asked humouously. 'No' he said 'plimsoles'. You might cut your feet on the broken glass'CarlottaVance said:
I remember R4 in the early 80s after riots in Bristol and other cities crossing breathlessly to Newcastle after reports of trouble in the Bigg Market - "How would you describe it" "Typical Saturday night" came the reply. But I do recommend Roger make his first outing to the Bigg Market in the dead on winter with slush on the ground and driving horizontal rain. He'll find everyone dressed much as they do in the South of France at the height of summer - though possibly with more flesh on display...Gallowgate said:@Roger you have clearly never been on a night out on the Bigg Market...
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Bloody gentrification....Gallowgate said:
I feel you're painting Newcastle in a bad light. I assume this wasn't too recent. Newcastle is pretty damn gentrified these days. Gone are the days of 3 treble vodkas for £3.Roger said:
I really have been there. Ripped white t-shirts day or night winter or summer. I was even refused entry to a club there. There were literally people uninating against the wall and the doorman said I couldn't come in. 'No jacket and tie?' I asked humouously. 'No' he said 'plimsoles'. You might cut your feet on the broken glass'CarlottaVance said:
I remember R4 in the early 80s after riots in Bristol and other cities crossing breathlessly to Newcastle after reports of trouble in the Bigg Market - "How would you describe it" "Typical Saturday night" came the reply. But I do recommend Roger make his first outing to the Bigg Market in the dead on winter with slush on the ground and driving horizontal rain. He'll find everyone dressed much as they do in the South of France at the height of summer - though possibly with more flesh on display...Gallowgate said:@Roger you have clearly never been on a night out on the Bigg Market...
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Please refer to the previous thread for where I might think there funds could be better spent. I'll stop there.Charles said:
So what? Better contributed to the social good than in their pockets.SandyRentool said:
Willy-waving competition for the French super-rich.HYUFD said:Billionaires Bernaud Arnault and Francois Pinaut pledge 200 million and 100 million euros respectively to the Notre Dame rebuild
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-479437050 -
He's old enough to remember Mark Bosnich at White Hart Lane.FrancisUrquhart said:Crystal Palace goalkeeper Wayne Hennessey did not know what a Nazi salute was when he was charged with making the offensive gesture, says a Football Association panel.
The charge was found not proven this month and Wales international Hennessey, 32, will face no punishment.The regulatory commission has published its written reasons for the decision.
It said Hennessey showed a "lamentable degree of ignorance" about Adolf Hitler, fascism and the Nazi regime.
I know footballers have a reputation for being thick, but really....0 -
Arguably Hillary would have won if she'd been Hilary.Endillion said:
If they were open to a black President in 2008, then probably, yes.houndtang said:Was thinking that an ability to speak French might count against Buttigieg in a US election. Also is America really open to an openly gay President? (Bearing in mind what people say in polls doesn't necrsnecess translate into reality)
Note that people used the exact same logic then to argue that Obama could never become President.0 -
If there’s no deal, the UK would no longer be part of the EU medicines and medical devices regulatory networks. The sharing of these common systems, and the associated exchanges of data, between the UK and EU/EEA countries would end.
We would have our own processes and systems to manage UK human medicines and devices regulatory activities. To do this, some new systems are being developed for 31 October 2019
This is the Government information related to registering medical devices. It is about as much use as sunglasses in Glasgow in the winter.
I have stopped listening to Tim from Essex who phones in to say that he demands an independent trade policy and without it he will never vote again. This despite the fact that Tim is now retired and has probably never filled in a customs declaration in his life.
It appears that views are so entrenched that reasonable discussion has ceased. This is what YouGov seems to show. The one change is that Labour votes who voted leave are being put under pressure to switch. I guess the elections will show what we all in our hearts know. The country is split now about 55% remain 45% leave but the leave have become hard core. The only way out for TM is a new referendum. Driving through the no deal Brexit will not work and compromise is gone.
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Arguably Hillary would have won if she'd been literally anyone other than Hillary.OblitusSumMe said:
Arguably Hillary would have won if she'd been Hilary.Endillion said:
If they were open to a black President in 2008, then probably, yes.houndtang said:Was thinking that an ability to speak French might count against Buttigieg in a US election. Also is America really open to an openly gay President? (Bearing in mind what people say in polls doesn't necrsnecess translate into reality)
Note that people used the exact same logic then to argue that Obama could never become President.0 -
Just bants...tlg86 said:
He's old enough to remember Mark Bosnich at White Hart Lane.FrancisUrquhart said:Crystal Palace goalkeeper Wayne Hennessey did not know what a Nazi salute was when he was charged with making the offensive gesture, says a Football Association panel.
The charge was found not proven this month and Wales international Hennessey, 32, will face no punishment.The regulatory commission has published its written reasons for the decision.
It said Hennessey showed a "lamentable degree of ignorance" about Adolf Hitler, fascism and the Nazi regime.
I know footballers have a reputation for being thick, but really....
I imagine today he would quite rightly be in a lot more trouble.0 -
There are certain states here in the US, Rhode Island and New Jersey among them, where to get a mortgage you have to sign an affidavit that you have never committed arson.SandyRentool said:I'm currently half way through a novel about a loss adjuster, who spends his time talking to people who are making insurance claims following dodgy fires.
So far, no places of worship have featured in the storyline.0 -
The English language invented a past tense for a reason.HYUFD said:
Most Labour seats and Tory marginals voted Leave thoughnico67 said:
There aren’t that many Labour Leavers left . Only around 20% now say leaving the EU was the right decision . The Labour vote is a lot more Remain than in 2016.HYUFD said:
If of course Labour still is committed officially to a Customs Union not EUref2 and thus is in danger of losing voters to CUK. Though if it did back EUref2 Labour Leavers would also be more likely to go to the Brexit Partynico67 said:
The Tories yes but if Labour have a confirmatory vote they’re likely to do quite well and could come out on top.HYUFD said:0 -
I wouldn't donate money to restoring a building (unless there was a personal connection) as it doesn't strike me as the best use of philanthropic capital.SandyRentool said:
Please refer to the previous thread for where I might think there funds could be better spent. I'll stop there.Charles said:
So what? Better contributed to the social good than in their pockets.SandyRentool said:
Willy-waving competition for the French super-rich.HYUFD said:Billionaires Bernaud Arnault and Francois Pinaut pledge 200 million and 100 million euros respectively to the Notre Dame rebuild
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47943705
But the beauty of freedom is that people get to decide how to spend their own money0 -
Begone burgon?0
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She would have won if she deigned to campaign in poor places and didn't bang on about baskets of deplorables. How one can throw away a three million vote lead is beyond me. She messed up the 2008 campaign for Democratic nominee, she only won the 2016 campaign for Democratic nominee because the superdelegates cheated, and then she messed up the 2016 Presidential campaign. Everybody, in every inquiry, focusses on culture wars, or the fact she's a woman, or Trump is a racist and a boor. Nobody ever points out that she is just not good at campaigning.OblitusSumMe said:
Arguably Hillary would have won if she'd been Hilary.Endillion said:
If they were open to a black President in 2008, then probably, yes.houndtang said:Was thinking that an ability to speak French might count against Buttigieg in a US election. Also is America really open to an openly gay President? (Bearing in mind what people say in polls doesn't necrsnecess translate into reality)
Note that people used the exact same logic then to argue that Obama could never become President.0 -
Do you ever deal with the MHRA in your business?hamiltonace said:If there’s no deal, the UK would no longer be part of the EU medicines and medical devices regulatory networks. The sharing of these common systems, and the associated exchanges of data, between the UK and EU/EEA countries would end.
We would have our own processes and systems to manage UK human medicines and devices regulatory activities. To do this, some new systems are being developed for 31 October 2019
This is the Government information related to registering medical devices. It is about as much use as sunglasses in Glasgow in the winter.
I have stopped listening to Tim from Essex who phones in to say that he demands an independent trade policy and without it he will never vote again. This despite the fact that Tim is now retired and has probably never filled in a customs declaration in his life.
It appears that views are so entrenched that reasonable discussion has ceased. This is what YouGov seems to show. The one change is that Labour votes who voted leave are being put under pressure to switch. I guess the elections will show what we all in our hearts know. The country is split now about 55% remain 45% leave but the leave have become hard core. The only way out for TM is a new referendum. Driving through the no deal Brexit will not work and compromise is gone.
Because most of the regulations will just roll over from there.
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Just to make it just that bit more frustrating, most of the input into EU medical regulations came from the UK. My company's first 4 figure order came from a contact I had made at a meeting at the EMA. Having London as the hub for pharmaceutical rule making was a huge advantage in winning business - the sort of business that supports well paid jobs. It's no wonder someone else nabbed it as quickly as possible before we changed our minds.hamiltonace said:If there’s no deal, the UK would no longer be part of the EU medicines and medical devices regulatory networks. The sharing of these common systems, and the associated exchanges of data, between the UK and EU/EEA countries would end.
We would have our own processes and systems to manage UK human medicines and devices regulatory activities. To do this, some new systems are being developed for 31 October 2019
This is the Government information related to registering medical devices. It is about as much use as sunglasses in Glasgow in the winter.
I have stopped listening to Tim from Essex who phones in to say that he demands an independent trade policy and without it he will never vote again. This despite the fact that Tim is now retired and has probably never filled in a customs declaration in his life.
It appears that views are so entrenched that reasonable discussion has ceased. This is what YouGov seems to show. The one change is that Labour votes who voted leave are being put under pressure to switch. I guess the elections will show what we all in our hearts know. The country is split now about 55% remain 45% leave but the leave have become hard core. The only way out for TM is a new referendum. Driving through the no deal Brexit will not work and compromise is gone.0 -
Wasn't this covered in the Sermon on the Mount.Charles said:
So what? Better contributed to the social good than in their pockets.SandyRentool said:
Willy-waving competition for the French super-rich.HYUFD said:Billionaires Bernaud Arnault and Francois Pinaut pledge 200 million and 100 million euros respectively to the Notre Dame rebuild
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-479437050 -
Has Hodges been dropped from the MoS? His column has been missing for several weeks now.Scrapheap_as_was said:not holding my breath
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/11181307534208327710 -
One tactic the Corbyn team seem to be employing is Trump's patented Scandal Fatigue, if you have a new scandal every day people just don't have time to really get angry about any one thing. We won't be talking about this in a weeks time.Scrapheap_as_was said:not holding my breath
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/11181307534208327710 -
Arnault's company was a major sponsor of the Paris 2015 climate change conference and has a large, innovative and effective Carbon Fund. It has had an Environment Department since 1992.SandyRentool said:
Please refer to the previous thread for where I might think there funds could be better spent. I'll stop there.Charles said:
So what? Better contributed to the social good than in their pockets.SandyRentool said:
Willy-waving competition for the French super-rich.HYUFD said:Billionaires Bernaud Arnault and Francois Pinaut pledge 200 million and 100 million euros respectively to the Notre Dame rebuild
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47943705
It is a pleasure to see ill-informed sanctimony falling flat on its arse.0 -
But not because of Labour votes . That’s the key point . Labour suffer much more damage if they ignore the Remain vote. The research showed the Midlands 57% Labour voted Remain , in the North over 65% and over 70% in London . Those percentages have gone up now in terms of how they’d vote in another EU ref. It would be truly stupid to ignore the vast majority of Labour voters , the membership and activists .HYUFD said:
Most Labour seats and Tory marginals voted Leave thoughnico67 said:
There aren’t that many Labour Leavers left . Only around 20% now say leaving the EU was the right decision . The Labour vote is a lot more Remain than in 2016.HYUFD said:
If of course Labour still is committed officially to a Customs Union not EUref2 and thus is in danger of losing voters to CUK. Though if it did back EUref2 Labour Leavers would also be more likely to go to the Brexit Partynico67 said:
The Tories yes but if Labour have a confirmatory vote they’re likely to do quite well and could come out on top.HYUFD said:0 -
At least if the building is 800 years old you can tell that it serves some useful purpose. Garden bridges, on the other hand...Charles said:
I wouldn't donate money to restoring a building (unless there was a personal connection) as it doesn't strike me as the best use of philanthropic capital.SandyRentool said:
Please refer to the previous thread for where I might think there funds could be better spent. I'll stop there.Charles said:
So what? Better contributed to the social good than in their pockets.SandyRentool said:
Willy-waving competition for the French super-rich.HYUFD said:Billionaires Bernaud Arnault and Francois Pinaut pledge 200 million and 100 million euros respectively to the Notre Dame rebuild
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47943705
But the beauty of freedom is that people get to decide how to spend their own money0 -
I didn't donate to that either.Ishmael_Z said:
At least if the building is 800 years old you can tell that it serves some useful purpose. Garden bridges, on the other hand...Charles said:
I wouldn't donate money to restoring a building (unless there was a personal connection) as it doesn't strike me as the best use of philanthropic capital.SandyRentool said:
Please refer to the previous thread for where I might think there funds could be better spent. I'll stop there.Charles said:
So what? Better contributed to the social good than in their pockets.SandyRentool said:
Willy-waving competition for the French super-rich.HYUFD said:Billionaires Bernaud Arnault and Francois Pinaut pledge 200 million and 100 million euros respectively to the Notre Dame rebuild
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47943705
But the beauty of freedom is that people get to decide how to spend their own money
The Chairman asked if he could host a dinner at my office, so I said yes.0 -
As with (my impression of) David Milliband, she’s a technocrat. She genuinely believes that she has all the answers and doesn’t see why having to justify them, or gain popular support for them, is necessary. To see the consequences of that type actually making it to office see Renzi and the subsequent dislocation of Italian politics.viewcode said:
She would have won if she deigned to campaign in poor places and didn't bang on about baskets of deplorables. How one can throw away a three million vote lead is beyond me. She messed up the 2008 campaign for Democratic nominee, she only won the 2016 campaign for Democratic nominee because the superdelegates cheated, and then she messed up the 2016 Presidential campaign. Everybody, in every inquiry, focusses on culture wars, or the fact she's a woman, or Trump is a racist and a boor. Nobody ever points out that she is just not good at campaigning.OblitusSumMe said:
Arguably Hillary would have won if she'd been Hilary.Endillion said:
If they were open to a black President in 2008, then probably, yes.houndtang said:Was thinking that an ability to speak French might count against Buttigieg in a US election. Also is America really open to an openly gay President? (Bearing in mind what people say in polls doesn't necrsnecess translate into reality)
Note that people used the exact same logic then to argue that Obama could never become President.0 -
I hope you’ve been out this morning planting something........SandyRentool said:
Please refer to the previous thread for where I might think there funds could be better spent. I'll stop there.Charles said:
So what? Better contributed to the social good than in their pockets.SandyRentool said:
Willy-waving competition for the French super-rich.HYUFD said:Billionaires Bernaud Arnault and Francois Pinaut pledge 200 million and 100 million euros respectively to the Notre Dame rebuild
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-479437050 -
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I get where @SandyRentool is coming from in relation to Notre Dame. It appalled me that the west paid far more attention to the shelling of Dubrovnik than to countless more serious massacres that took place in the former Yugoslavia before then. People are worth more than buildings.
That said, buildings can and do enhance people's lives. Notre Dame is part of the world's heritage and we would be poorer if it were not restored.0 -
I think he'll be OK so long as he doesn't also play the piano.houndtang said:Was thinking that an ability to speak French might count against Buttigieg in a US election. Also is America really open to an openly gay President? (Bearing in mind what people say in polls doesn't necrsnecess translate into reality)
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What’s the farting commie done?Scrapheap_as_was said:not holding my breath
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1118130753420832771
Should I burn my betslip on him succeeding Corbyn at 100/1?0 -
Indeed. An ability to speak English counted against Hillary Clinton.houndtang said:Was thinking that an ability to speak French might count against Buttigieg in a US election. Also is America really open to an openly gay President? (Bearing in mind what people say in polls doesn't necrsnecess translate into reality)
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said something*TheScreamingEagles said:
What’s the farting commie done?Scrapheap_as_was said:not holding my breath
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1118130753420832771
Should I burn my betslip on him succeeding Corbyn at 100/1?
claimed he didn't say it
video of him saying just what he claimed he didn't say turns up
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Oh.BannedInParis said:
said something*TheScreamingEagles said:
What’s the farting commie done?Scrapheap_as_was said:not holding my breath
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1118130753420832771
Should I burn my betslip on him succeeding Corbyn at 100/1?
claimed he didn't say it
video of him saying just what he claimed he didn't say turns up
*I mean, its only mildly antisemitic anyway!0 -
https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1118100318187925506TheScreamingEagles said:
What’s the farting commie done?Scrapheap_as_was said:not holding my breath
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1118130753420832771
Should I burn my betslip on him succeeding Corbyn at 100/1?0 -
Also just lie, lie, lie, blame the media, blame a foreign power, etc...its called Fire-Hosing. Trump and Putin use it constantly.Paristonda said:
One tactic the Corbyn team seem to be employing is Trump's patented Scandal Fatigue, if you have a new scandal every day people just don't have time to really get angry about any one thing. We won't be talking about this in a weeks time.Scrapheap_as_was said:not holding my breath
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/11181307534208327710 -
At least he didn’t say the Holocaust didn’t happen but if it did the Jews deserved it.AlastairMeeks said:
https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1118100318187925506TheScreamingEagles said:
What’s the farting commie done?Scrapheap_as_was said:not holding my breath
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1118130753420832771
Should I burn my betslip on him succeeding Corbyn at 100/1?0 -
Why are MEPs, who are elected on a party list system, able to defect to another party?0
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MP Johnny Mercer gets a 'full' apology from the Tory chief whip after his former Army comrades were asked for 'dirt' on the rising star in 'smear campaign' by his OWN side
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6927725/MP-Johnny-Mercer-gets-grovelling-apology-Tory-chief-whip.html0 -
Good question. Pass.TrèsDifficile said:Why are MEPs, who are elected on a party list system, able to defect to another party?
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Because they are elected? I think it's a replacement system on death right.AlastairMeeks said:
Good question. Pass.TrèsDifficile said:Why are MEPs, who are elected on a party list system, able to defect to another party?
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Who replaces them? Someone from the party they were elected for, or the one they belonged to at time of death?TheWhiteRabbit said:
Because they are elected? I think it's a replacement system on death right.AlastairMeeks said:
Good question. Pass.TrèsDifficile said:Why are MEPs, who are elected on a party list system, able to defect to another party?
Incidentally, this neatly demonstrates why list-based PR systems are the absolute devil.0 -
Will it be tax deductible?SandyRentool said:
Willy-waving competition for the French super-rich.HYUFD said:Billionaires Bernaud Arnault and Francois Pinaut pledge 200 million and 100 million euros respectively to the Notre Dame rebuild
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-479437050 -
They're still named candidates on the ballot paper, so you can reasonably argue they have a mandate and aren't simply fungible party robots.TrèsDifficile said:Why are MEPs, who are elected on a party list system, able to defect to another party?
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The inhabitants of Dubrovnik did suffer considerably, although as you say, a lot of the focus did seem to be on the buildings.AlastairMeeks said:I get where @SandyRentool is coming from in relation to Notre Dame. It appalled me that the west paid far more attention to the shelling of Dubrovnik than to countless more serious massacres that took place in the former Yugoslavia before then. People are worth more than buildings.
That said, buildings can and do enhance people's lives. Notre Dame is part of the world's heritage and we would be poorer if it were not restored.
I encountered someone who suffered an appalling tragedy when I stayed in a flat in Dubrovnik. He had a picture of his daughter, who had been studying in Zagreb, and as soon as the fighting started, she and three other students drove back towards Dubrovnik, only for their car to be hit by a shell.0 -
In 800 years time it might have been one of London's best-loved landmarks.Ishmael_Z said:
At least if the building is 800 years old you can tell that it serves some useful purpose. Garden bridges, on the other hand...Charles said:
I wouldn't donate money to restoring a building (unless there was a personal connection) as it doesn't strike me as the best use of philanthropic capital.SandyRentool said:
Please refer to the previous thread for where I might think there funds could be better spent. I'll stop there.Charles said:
So what? Better contributed to the social good than in their pockets.SandyRentool said:
Willy-waving competition for the French super-rich.HYUFD said:Billionaires Bernaud Arnault and Francois Pinaut pledge 200 million and 100 million euros respectively to the Notre Dame rebuild
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47943705
But the beauty of freedom is that people get to decide how to spend their own money
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It is interesting to see while May is off on a walking holiday, Jeremy is still on the campaign trail. Cheshire this morning, Liverpool this afternoon. Again very much like Orange Man Bad, always doing the rallies.
I don't begrudge May a holiday, I actually think Blair and Cameron were very sensible to take regular breaks.
https://twitter.com/sherlock1968/status/1118141401861111808
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@SandyRentool wasn’t comparing buildings to people but to nature. People featured even lower.AlastairMeeks said:I get where @SandyRentool is coming from in relation to Notre Dame. It appalled me that the west paid far more attention to the shelling of Dubrovnik than to countless more serious massacres that took place in the former Yugoslavia before then. People are worth more than buildings.
That said, buildings can and do enhance people's lives. Notre Dame is part of the world's heritage and we would be poorer if it were not restored.
That said, it is possible to love both the built and natural environment.
You are right about how the massacre of people can get overlooked. I think that when the numbers are large or the massacres frequent people become inured. There is no individual element to grab our attention. The irreplaceability of each of the massacred human beings is forgotten or ignored. A solitary bridge (at Mostar, say) becomes symbolic of our anger at the wanton destruction of so much. Sometimes it is the killing of a few people which becomes real for us, like the family burned to death inside their home in Croatia during that war and their killers berated by Colonel Stewart. It is why those who suffer try to put names and faces to those lost to remind us of the individual irreplaceable people we have lost ( see Yad Vashem and similar memorials).
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Tagged on at the end of that piece:FrancisUrquhart said:MP Johnny Mercer gets a 'full' apology from the Tory chief whip after his former Army comrades were asked for 'dirt' on the rising star in 'smear campaign' by his OWN side
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6927725/MP-Johnny-Mercer-gets-grovelling-apology-Tory-chief-whip.html
"The row came as unsubstantiated rumours circulated in Westminster that one major Cabinet frontrunner was having an affair.
However, allies of the Minister say the claims pushed by MPs were 'nonsense'."0 -
Lol, easy enough to guess who though. Past is prologueMarqueeMark said:
Tagged on at the end of that piece:FrancisUrquhart said:MP Johnny Mercer gets a 'full' apology from the Tory chief whip after his former Army comrades were asked for 'dirt' on the rising star in 'smear campaign' by his OWN side
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6927725/MP-Johnny-Mercer-gets-grovelling-apology-Tory-chief-whip.html
"The row came as unsubstantiated rumours circulated in Westminster that one major Cabinet frontrunner was having an affair.
However, allies of the Minister say the claims pushed by MPs were 'nonsense'."0 -
That narrows it down. How many ministers have allies?MarqueeMark said:
Tagged on at the end of that piece:FrancisUrquhart said:MP Johnny Mercer gets a 'full' apology from the Tory chief whip after his former Army comrades were asked for 'dirt' on the rising star in 'smear campaign' by his OWN side
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6927725/MP-Johnny-Mercer-gets-grovelling-apology-Tory-chief-whip.html
"The row came as unsubstantiated rumours circulated in Westminster that one major Cabinet frontrunner was having an affair.
However, allies of the Minister say the claims pushed by MPs were 'nonsense'."0 -
It’s not what he says which is the main issue, bad as it may be. But that he chose to lie about it.BannedInParis said:
said something*TheScreamingEagles said:
What’s the farting commie done?Scrapheap_as_was said:not holding my breath
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1118130753420832771
Should I burn my betslip on him succeeding Corbyn at 100/1?
claimed he didn't say it
video of him saying just what he claimed he didn't say turns up
*I mean, its only mildly antisemitic anyway!
“A man who is honest in small things will be honest in great. A man who is dishonest in small things will be dishonest in great.”0 -
Made a speech which seems to indicate an opposition to Israeli atrocities in Gaza.TheScreamingEagles said:What’s the farting commie done?
Should I burn my betslip on him succeeding Corbyn at 100/1?
Might shorten a bit but probably not - it was 5 years ago.0 -
yup, agree with that.Cyclefree said:
It’s not what he says which is the main issue, bad as it may be. But that he chose to lie about it.BannedInParis said:
said something*TheScreamingEagles said:
What’s the farting commie done?Scrapheap_as_was said:not holding my breath
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1118130753420832771
Should I burn my betslip on him succeeding Corbyn at 100/1?
claimed he didn't say it
video of him saying just what he claimed he didn't say turns up
*I mean, its only mildly antisemitic anyway!
“A man who is honest in small things will be honest in great. A man who is dishonest in small things will be dishonest in great.”0 -
D'Hondt do this to me!!Endillion said:
Who replaces them? Someone from the party they were elected for, or the one they belonged to at time of death?TheWhiteRabbit said:
Because they are elected? I think it's a replacement system on death right.AlastairMeeks said:
Good question. Pass.TrèsDifficile said:Why are MEPs, who are elected on a party list system, able to defect to another party?
Incidentally, this neatly demonstrates why list-based PR systems are the absolute devil.0 -
He also said to Neil that he hadn't said it and that it isn't what he believes. Does that mean he's now pro Israeli atrocities?kinabalu said:
Made a speech which seems to indicate an opposition to Israeli atrocities in Gaza.TheScreamingEagles said:What’s the farting commie done?
Should I burn my betslip on him succeeding Corbyn at 100/1?
Might shorten a bit but probably not - it was 5 years ago.0 -
Was more to that harassment story than has been commonly reported, it was thousands of calls, messages, emails and social media posts over more than two years aimed at the ex-husbands new wife. Would likely have met the standard for criminal harassment in the U.K.Roger said:
The first interview is with a lady who was arrested inDubai for calling her husbands new wife a horse. I wonder if as many listeners had sympathy for her as Emma Barnett expected. It isn't too long ago that we had criminal libel in this country. It starts right at the beginningScott_P said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_five_live
Brits detained abroad (or their lawyers) have now worked out that they can often get their case sped up if they can get a one-sided article about their plight in the Daily Mail.0 -
LOL!williamglenn said:
That narrows it down. How many ministers have allies?MarqueeMark said:
Tagged on at the end of that piece:FrancisUrquhart said:MP Johnny Mercer gets a 'full' apology from the Tory chief whip after his former Army comrades were asked for 'dirt' on the rising star in 'smear campaign' by his OWN side
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6927725/MP-Johnny-Mercer-gets-grovelling-apology-Tory-chief-whip.html
"The row came as unsubstantiated rumours circulated in Westminster that one major Cabinet frontrunner was having an affair.
However, allies of the Minister say the claims pushed by MPs were 'nonsense'."0 -
Re the party lists, it sounds like there's trouble brewing in London for the Tories...
(from Wiki: A pro-European, Tannock applied for, and obtained, Irish citizenship in response to Brexit, describing himself as a "pretty angry pro-European Tory". Tannock also stated with regards to what has happened since the Brexit referendum that "I am quite ashamed to be British in many ways." He told The Irish Times that he was proud to be Irish and was planning a "pilgrimage" to Ireland.)
https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/11180675094234193920 -
Why?Endillion said:
Who replaces them? Someone from the party they were elected for, or the one they belonged to at time of death?TheWhiteRabbit said:
Because they are elected? I think it's a replacement system on death right.AlastairMeeks said:
Good question. Pass.TrèsDifficile said:Why are MEPs, who are elected on a party list system, able to defect to another party?
Incidentally, this neatly demonstrates why list-based PR systems are the absolute devil.
I would say 90 per cent of people vote for a party not a candidate. Personal votes are generally overstated.
A list system ensures proportionality so more voters get people elected they want and every vote counts equally.0 -
A cynic might argue that a large plaque in a rebuilt cathedral would be a very good way of securing one’s legacy.Charles said:
I wouldn't donate money to restoring a building (unless there was a personal connection) as it doesn't strike me as the best use of philanthropic capital.SandyRentool said:
Please refer to the previous thread for where I might think there funds could be better spent. I'll stop there.Charles said:
So what? Better contributed to the social good than in their pockets.SandyRentool said:
Willy-waving competition for the French super-rich.HYUFD said:Billionaires Bernaud Arnault and Francois Pinaut pledge 200 million and 100 million euros respectively to the Notre Dame rebuild
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47943705
But the beauty of freedom is that people get to decide how to spend their own money0 -
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has said talks with the government are stalling due to a Tory desire for post-Brexit deregulation including pursuing a US trade deal, a sign that the cordial tone of the negotiations is faltering.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/16/brexit-talks-with-government-have-stalled-says-corbyn0 -
It's a very odd situation. Party members may be furious at a pro-Remain Conservative standing, but many Conservative voters in London (if there are any left...) will probably take the opposite view.Tissue_Price said:Re the party lists, it sounds like there's trouble brewing in London for the Tories...
(from Wiki: A pro-European, Tannock applied for, and obtained, Irish citizenship in response to Brexit, describing himself as a "pretty angry pro-European Tory". Tannock also stated with regards to what has happened since the Brexit referendum that "I am quite ashamed to be British in many ways." He told The Irish Times that he was proud to be Irish and was planning a "pilgrimage" to Ireland.)0 -
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Yes, in theory a balanced ticket would be an asset...Richard_Nabavi said:
It's a very odd situation. Party members may be furious at a pro-Remain Conservative standing, but many Conservative voters in London (if there are any left...) will probably take the opposite view.Tissue_Price said:Re the party lists, it sounds like there's trouble brewing in London for the Tories...
(from Wiki: A pro-European, Tannock applied for, and obtained, Irish citizenship in response to Brexit, describing himself as a "pretty angry pro-European Tory". Tannock also stated with regards to what has happened since the Brexit referendum that "I am quite ashamed to be British in many ways." He told The Irish Times that he was proud to be Irish and was planning a "pilgrimage" to Ireland.)0 -
Rather, he made a claim with considerable vehemence and apparent moral certitude, which he then denied absolutely having ever made.kinabalu said:
Made a speech which seems to indicate an opposition to Israeli atrocities in Gaza.TheScreamingEagles said:What’s the farting commie done?
Should I burn my betslip on him succeeding Corbyn at 100/1?
Might shorten a bit but probably not - it was 5 years ago.
Viewing the clip of the speech, it's rather difficult to believe he could possibly have forgotten what he said, unless he is stupid to the point of mental impairment.
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Which explains why Boris has no chance, as much as his supporters go on about him. His own wife didn’t trust him for a decade or more, so why the hell should the rest of us?Cyclefree said:
It’s not what he says which is the main issue, bad as it may be. But that he chose to lie about it.BannedInParis said:
said something*TheScreamingEagles said:
What’s the farting commie done?Scrapheap_as_was said:not holding my breath
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1118130753420832771
Should I burn my betslip on him succeeding Corbyn at 100/1?
claimed he didn't say it
video of him saying just what he claimed he didn't say turns up
*I mean, its only mildly antisemitic anyway!
“A man who is honest in small things will be honest in great. A man who is dishonest in small things will be dishonest in great.”0 -
You should be a barrister!TrèsDifficile said:He also said to Neil that he hadn't said it and that it isn't what he believes. Does that mean he's now pro Israeli atrocities?
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The denial did not sound that firm to me. It sounded rather cagey. The mystery is why he felt the need to be so shy about the remarks. I think it is because of the use of the Z word. It's become a term best avoided by people who are neither Jewish nor Palestinian.Nigelb said:Rather, he made a claim with considerable vehemence and apparent moral certitude, which he then denied absolutely having ever made.
Viewing the clip of the speech, it's rather difficult to believe he could possibly have forgotten what he said, unless he is stupid to the point of mental impairment.0 -
I knew it would be. I've shot in Dubai and I know it to be a reasonably civilised country. The interviewer sounded like a hysterical schoolgirl without the capacity to look beyond the very obvious flaws and omissions in her story. It was typical of a Western attitude towards anywhere Muslim.Sandpit said:
Was more to that harassment story than has been commonly reported, it was thousands of calls, messages, emails and social media posts over more than two years aimed at the ex-husbands new wife. Would likely have met the standard for criminal harassment in the U.K.Roger said:
The first interview is with a lady who was arrested inDubai for calling her husbands new wife a horse. I wonder if as many listeners had sympathy for her as Emma Barnett expected. It isn't too long ago that we had criminal libel in this country. It starts right at the beginningScott_P said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_five_live
Brits detained abroad (or their lawyers) have now worked out that they can often get their case sped up if they can get a one-sided article about their plight in the Daily Mail.0
