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Just to be clear, are you talking about Biden or Assange?Cyclefree said:
The message I’m getting is that sexual assault doesn’t matter if it’s perpetrated by lefties.rottenborough said:
Well, the positive of todays announcement, is he doesn't bother to hide his world view. Voters can now see what the foreign policy of a Jezza government will be shaped by.CarlottaVance said:
US: bad (period, no discussion)
Russia: Good (period, no discussion)0 -
I think that's quite a valid point, although the media narrative may focus more on seats.isam said:Addressing @AlastairMeeks's point, for non betting purposes, does it matter if UKIP/Brexit split the Brexit vote, or TIG/LD do the same on the other side of the fence? Going forward, we will know how motivated the different sides are from the combined vote %s. I don't think the number of seats obtained is really that important
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Tried that. Kayaking around the rocks is included but nothing else. Tried to use my imagination, but it's not as vivid as Ydoethur's. (See earlier today)Theuniondivvie said:
Nowadays rock gardening is probably slang for some sort of extreme sexual activity.OldKingCole said:
Rock gardening. Dreadful. Deviance of the worst sort. Unless the kayaking sort is intended.ydoethur said:
One of my A-level textbooks profiles the three heads of the NKVD in the thirties - Yagoda, Yezhov and Beria.Sean_F said:
Beria was not unique, by any means, even though he was the worst. He enjoyed murdering and torturing women, as well as raping them.ydoethur said:
Well, for Beria anyway.Sean_F said:
Reading At The Court of the Red Tsar, rape was plainly considered one of the perks of being a senior communist official.Cyclefree said:
The message I’m getting is that sexual assault doesn’t matter if it’s perpetrated by lefties.rottenborough said:
Well, the positive of todays announcement, is he doesn't bother to hide his world view. Voters can now see what the foreign policy of a Jezza government will be shaped by.CarlottaVance said:
US: bad (period, no discussion)
Russia: Good (period, no discussion)
Yagoda's hobbies are said to include 'rock gardening and extreme pornography.'
Yezhov is described as a 'tension ridden drug addicted sexual deviant.'
Beria is described as the worst of the lot.0 -
Cheers, yes I think that would be a mistake. Look how UKIP getting 13% was overlooked because it only got them one seat. Yet in hindsight all the signs were there that the referendum was going to be closer than predicted, people just looked at the wrong signs.Richard_Nabavi said:
I think that's quite a valid point, although the media narrative may focus more on seats.isam said:Addressing @AlastairMeeks's point, for non betting purposes, does it matter if UKIP/Brexit split the Brexit vote, or TIG/LD do the same on the other side of the fence? Going forward, we will know how motivated the different sides are from the combined vote %s. I don't think the number of seats obtained is really that important
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When I was a lad, Labour in Sunderland was green.ydoethur said:
Red is Liberal, yellow is independent Liberal/Radical/Lib-Lab.rottenborough said:
What is the red on this map? No Labour in 1885.Scott_P said:
Although party colours tended to be more fluid in those days anyway.0 -
the Socialist Workers Party is a group that is sexist, full of bullies, and above all will cover up rape to protect its male members and reputation.”ydoethur said:
Is that really news to you? I mean, the Islington children's home scandal should have demonstrated that.Cyclefree said:
The message I’m getting is that sexual assault doesn’t matter if it’s perpetrated by lefties.rottenborough said:
Well, the positive of todays announcement, is he doesn't bother to hide his world view. Voters can now see what the foreign policy of a Jezza government will be shaped by.CarlottaVance said:
US: bad (period, no discussion)
Russia: Good (period, no discussion)
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As posted, this could upset Mebyon Kernowrottenborough said:
What is the red on this map? No Labour in 1885.Scott_P said:0 -
Did we ever find out if Falconer is to run the anti-semite investigation for the party?0
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Hes finished. Concluded they need much more of it.rottenborough said:Did we ever find out if Falconer is to run the anti-semite investigation for the party?
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BloodyDura_Ace said:
Don't interrupt pb.com tories when they are on a moralising wank fest. Morris Dancer is on the vinegars.Stereotomy said:
Isn't Corbyn just talking about his extradition to the US? That's nothing to do with sexual assault.Cyclefree said:
The message I’m getting is that sexual assault doesn’t matter if it’s perpetrated by lefties.rottenborough said:
Well, the positive of todays announcement, is he doesn't bother to hide his world view. Voters can now see what the foreign policy of a Jezza government will be shaped by.CarlottaVance said:
US: bad (period, no discussion)
Russia: Good (period, no discussion)ex-Labour Party memberPB Tory.
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Behind enemy lines: Corbyn visits CCHQ. .
https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/politics/2019/04/11/political-column-april-11/?fbclid=IwAR2ur0OH6rrzK4anYKEI7tHtXKrwO9scj7LUkLlqKtohDYD6KqXXk00LMZc0 -
Remain on a vote totalling basis. Seat by seat under FPTP ? Leave.kinabalu said:
No doubt, and seats are of course important.IanB2 said:The media will inevitably focus on seats as well as votes
But re the key question, "As a country are we now Leave, Remain, Neither?", the aggregate vote count will be the thing for us to look at.0 -
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The most proportionate system would be to treat the UK as a single constituency, so that 1.4% would be sufficient to win a seat.rural_voter said:
Because its members come from larger parties, I think CUK may be more arrogant and less experienced. The result with FPTP or d'Hondt can be oblivion. 6% of the EU vote doesn't mean several MEPs, it probably means none.Sean_F said:
@Iain pointed out yesterday how difficult it would be to form a joint slate in the amount of available time but yes, there's a real risk that they just split the non-Labour pro-EU vote.Paristonda said:If change UK and the Lib Dems cannot form some kind of alliance for the EU elections then they deserve to crash and burn at the next election. It would be a clear case of egos getting in the way and throwing away an opportunity to make a real impact in what will clearly be the next proxy referendum. So far though there doesn't seem to be much movement towards any alliance, mostly seems like the CUK side are reluctant to do so.
The Lib.Dems have harsh experience of being squashed by larger parties due to the unfairness of FPTP.
I'm surprised that the EU accepted this pathetic apology for PR. I think after the shock of the 1989 EU elections when the Greens got 15% and no seats it may have told the UK government that future EU voting had to be 'proportional'. This was the result.0 -
At present, I'd expect the pro-Leave parties to get 45-50%. I don't know if you can treat Labour as pro-Remain yet, although they're obviously moving in that direction.Pulpstar said:
Remain on a vote totalling basis. Seat by seat under FPTP ? Leave.kinabalu said:
No doubt, and seats are of course important.IanB2 said:The media will inevitably focus on seats as well as votes
But re the key question, "As a country are we now Leave, Remain, Neither?", the aggregate vote count will be the thing for us to look at.0 -
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I think it would be fair to say that @GOsborneGenius, the artiste formerly known as tim, is not entirely impressed with the Corbyn/Abbott/Milne line on Assange.0
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STV would be better with the current constituencies. You would still need to gain a minimum threshold of support before winning a seat, but parties with similar platforms get to have a contest decided by the voters to see which will win the transfers from the others.Sean_F said:
The most proportionate system would be to treat the UK as a single constituency, so that 1.4% would be sufficient to win a seat.rural_voter said:
Because its members come from larger parties, I think CUK may be more arrogant and less experienced. The result with FPTP or d'Hondt can be oblivion. 6% of the EU vote doesn't mean several MEPs, it probably means none.Sean_F said:
@Iain pointed out yesterday how difficult it would be to form a joint slate in the amount of available time but yes, there's a real risk that they just split the non-Labour pro-EU vote.Paristonda said:If change UK and the Lib Dems cannot form some kind of alliance for the EU elections then they deserve to crash and burn at the next election. It would be a clear case of egos getting in the way and throwing away an opportunity to make a real impact in what will clearly be the next proxy referendum. So far though there doesn't seem to be much movement towards any alliance, mostly seems like the CUK side are reluctant to do so.
The Lib.Dems have harsh experience of being squashed by larger parties due to the unfairness of FPTP.
I'm surprised that the EU accepted this pathetic apology for PR. I think after the shock of the 1989 EU elections when the Greens got 15% and no seats it may have told the UK government that future EU voting had to be 'proportional'. This was the result.
D'Hondt is a really bad advert for PR as it concentrates power in the parties rather than the voters.0 -
Any news on recall?Scott_P said:0 -
And families require political union why? Are those not in the union not part of the European family? Do families all share the same level of connection?Foxy said:
Because Europe is our family.kle4 said:
Which means we must be part of a political union why?Foxy said:
It is striking how England's greatest bard set so many of his plays in what is now the EU. Denmark, Venice, Verona, Rome, Cyprus, Greece. Its almost as if we have a common European culture going back for thousands of years.Nigelb said:
Yes, he nailed Brexit.TOPPING said:Paging @Casino_Royale
I hope you were listening to R4 this morning where you will have heard some of Shakespeare’s beautiful poetry from Richard II.
Fail to be moved by that and I question your Englishness.
"Of comfort no man speak:
Let's talk of graves, of worms, of epitaphs;
Make dust our paper, and with rainy eyes
Write sorrow on the bosom of the earth....
I find it difficult to believe such saccharine nonsense is the reason people support the union. It may be the best thing for us all, but because 'it is our family' as though cultural connection requires political connection is bollocks.0 -
Great wit though he was the artiste formally known as Tim was always on the right of the Labour party -and that was before Corbyn moved the goalposts.Richard_Nabavi said:I think it would be fair to say that @GOsborneGenius, the artiste formerly known as tim, is not entirely impressed with the Corbyn/Abbott/Milne line on Assange.
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And what exactly are the people salivating over American extradition as if that is all that matters doing if not indulging in a moralising wank fest? Look in the mirror once in a while.Dura_Ace said:
Don't interrupt pb.com tories when they are on a moralising wank fest. Morris Dancer is on the vinegars.Stereotomy said:
Isn't Corbyn just talking about his extradition to the US? That's nothing to do with sexual assault.Cyclefree said:
The message I’m getting is that sexual assault doesn’t matter if it’s perpetrated by lefties.rottenborough said:
Well, the positive of todays announcement, is he doesn't bother to hide his world view. Voters can now see what the foreign policy of a Jezza government will be shaped by.CarlottaVance said:
US: bad (period, no discussion)
Russia: Good (period, no discussion)0 -
Yes or one could have a mix of constituency and list MEPs. I'd accept that.Sean_F said:
The most proportionate system would be to treat the UK as a single constituency, so that 1.4% would be sufficient to win a seat.rural_voter said:
Because its members come from larger parties, I think CUK may be more arrogant and less experienced. The result with FPTP or d'Hondt can be oblivion. 6% of the EU vote doesn't mean several MEPs, it probably means none.Sean_F said:
@Iain pointed out yesterday how difficult it would be to form a joint slate in the amount of available time but yes, there's a real risk that they just split the non-Labour pro-EU vote.Paristonda said:If change UK and the Lib Dems cannot form some kind of alliance for the EU elections then they deserve to crash and burn at the next election. It would be a clear case of egos getting in the way and throwing away an opportunity to make a real impact in what will clearly be the next proxy referendum. So far though there doesn't seem to be much movement towards any alliance, mostly seems like the CUK side are reluctant to do so.
The Lib.Dems have harsh experience of being squashed by larger parties due to the unfairness of FPTP.
I'm surprised that the EU accepted this pathetic apology for PR. I think after the shock of the 1989 EU elections when the Greens got 15% and no seats it may have told the UK government that future EU voting had to be 'proportional'. This was the result.
In 2014, PR would have led to 6 Green and 4 Lib.Dem MEPs, not resp. 3 and 1
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/vote2014/eu-uk-results
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There will be no news until the petition closes on 1st May and they count the petitioners - similar process to an election, with reporting restrictions in place until the official count.rottenborough said:
Any news on recall?Scott_P said:0 -
No worries, Jesus savesScott_P said:0 -
We don't get any news until the 6 weeks are up...rottenborough said:
Any news on recall?Scott_P said:0 -
Thanks.Sandpit said:
There will be no news until the petition closes on 1st May and they count the petitioners - similar process to an election, with reporting restrictions in place until the official count.rottenborough said:
Any news on recall?Scott_P said:0 -
It's just a continental version of nationalism. Creating a power block that can get advantage over other blocks and the third world in trade and politically whilst internalizing the benefits. Nationalism without a single flag. Little Europeans are the new little Englanders.kle4 said:
And families require political union why? Are those not in the union not part of the European family? Do families all share the same level of connection?Foxy said:
Because Europe is our family.kle4 said:
Which means we must be part of a political union why?Foxy said:
It is striking how England's greatest bard set so many of his plays in what is now the EU. Denmark, Venice, Verona, Rome, Cyprus, Greece. Its almost as if we have a common European culture going back for thousands of years.Nigelb said:
Yes, he nailed Brexit.TOPPING said:Paging @Casino_Royale
I hope you were listening to R4 this morning where you will have heard some of Shakespeare’s beautiful poetry from Richard II.
Fail to be moved by that and I question your Englishness.
"Of comfort no man speak:
Let's talk of graves, of worms, of epitaphs;
Make dust our paper, and with rainy eyes
Write sorrow on the bosom of the earth....
I find it difficult to believe such saccharine nonsense is the reason people support the union. It may be the best thing for us all, but because 'it is our family' as though cultural connection requires political connection is bollocks.0 -
I think Foxy's point is more a rebuttal of the idea that we are a civilisation apart and therefore shouldn't be part of it. The @rcs1000 argument is that the EU is alright for them, but not for us.kle4 said:
And families require political union why? Are those not in the union not part of the European family? Do families all share the same level of connection?Foxy said:
Because Europe is our family.kle4 said:
Which means we must be part of a political union why?Foxy said:
It is striking how England's greatest bard set so many of his plays in what is now the EU. Denmark, Venice, Verona, Rome, Cyprus, Greece. Its almost as if we have a common European culture going back for thousands of years.Nigelb said:
Yes, he nailed Brexit.TOPPING said:Paging @Casino_Royale
I hope you were listening to R4 this morning where you will have heard some of Shakespeare’s beautiful poetry from Richard II.
Fail to be moved by that and I question your Englishness.
"Of comfort no man speak:
Let's talk of graves, of worms, of epitaphs;
Make dust our paper, and with rainy eyes
Write sorrow on the bosom of the earth....
I find it difficult to believe such saccharine nonsense is the reason people support the union. It may be the best thing for us all, but because 'it is our family' as though cultural connection requires political connection is bollocks.0 -
Sadly I am no longer able to comment on these proceedings although I would very much like to do so.Scott_P said:
Please assume I would have said something witty and insightful.0 -
I liked this bit:TheScreamingEagles said:
The publication said that the article was clearly an opinion piece, and readers would understand that the statement was not invoking specific polling – no specific dates or polls were referenced. It said that the writer was entitled to make sweeping generalisations based on his opinions and that the complainant had misconstrued the purpose of the article; it was clearly comically polemical, and could not be reasonably read as a serious, empirical, in-depth analysis of hard factual matters.
In other words, the Telegraph agrees that Boris talks bollocks and everyone knows he talks bollocks.0 -
Sums up Boris doesn’t it.Richard_Nabavi said:
I liked this bit:TheScreamingEagles said:
The publication said that the article was clearly an opinion piece, and readers would understand that the statement was not invoking specific polling – no specific dates or polls were referenced. It said that the writer was entitled to make sweeping generalisations based on his opinions and that the complainant had misconstrued the purpose of the article; it was clearly comically polemical, and could not be reasonably read as a serious, empirical, in-depth analysis of hard factual matters.
In other words, the Telegraph agrees that Boris talks bollocks and everyone knows he talks bollocks.0 -
Keen though I am to take Euro-elections seriously, not every party standing makes it easy. Here's a Euractiv report from Slovakia:
Slovak party “Sme rodina (We are family) – Boris Kollár” will join the Europe of Nations and Freedom (ENF), a group led by Italy’s Salvini and France’s Le Pen. Polls give Sme rodina one or two MEPs in the next EU Parliament. The leader of the party, Boris Kollar, is a businessman and celebrity who bought an existing party, renamed it and surprisingly made it to the national parliament in 2016. He has 10 children with 9 women.
Gives a new look at the meaning of "family", doesn't it?0 -
D'Hondt trends toward proportionality with a sole seat, but it would also be perfectly proportional with 20 million seats (1 for each voter). Obviously the latter is absurd, but it's an interesting theoretical point.Sean_F said:
The most proportionate system would be to treat the UK as a single constituency, so that 1.4% would be sufficient to win a seat.rural_voter said:
Because its members come from larger parties, I think CUK may be more arrogant and less experienced. The result with FPTP or d'Hondt can be oblivion. 6% of the EU vote doesn't mean several MEPs, it probably means none.Sean_F said:
@Iain pointed out yesterday how difficult it would be to form a joint slate in the amount of available time but yes, there's a real risk that they just split the non-Labour pro-EU vote.Paristonda said:If change UK and the Lib Dems cannot form some kind of alliance for the EU elections then they deserve to crash and burn at the next election. It would be a clear case of egos getting in the way and throwing away an opportunity to make a real impact in what will clearly be the next proxy referendum. So far though there doesn't seem to be much movement towards any alliance, mostly seems like the CUK side are reluctant to do so.
The Lib.Dems have harsh experience of being squashed by larger parties due to the unfairness of FPTP.
I'm surprised that the EU accepted this pathetic apology for PR. I think after the shock of the 1989 EU elections when the Greens got 15% and no seats it may have told the UK government that future EU voting had to be 'proportional'. This was the result.0 -
All change at Sky. Faisal Islam being replaced as pol editor by Beth Rigby.0
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The Moggette standing for Farage's party!0
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F1: pre-qualifying ramble now up:
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2019/04/china-pre-qualifying-2019.html0 -
She has the most irritating droney voicerottenborough said:All change at Sky. Faisal Islam being replaced as pol editor by Beth Rigby.
And with Kay Burley in charge of stupid questions for mad guests with odd views and Adam Boulton heading up hissy fits its all good down Murdoch Way.0 -
Murdoch no longer owns Sky.dyedwoolie said:
She has the most irritating droney voicerottenborough said:All change at Sky. Faisal Islam being replaced as pol editor by Beth Rigby.
And with Kay Burley in charge of stupid questions for mad guests with odd views and Adam Boulton heading up hissy fits its all good down Murdoch Way.0 -
The first Brexit party candidate is Annunziata Rees-Mogg.0
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They still name the boulevards of Sky land after him. *saves*TheScreamingEagles said:
Murdoch no longer owns Sky.dyedwoolie said:
She has the most irritating droney voicerottenborough said:All change at Sky. Faisal Islam being replaced as pol editor by Beth Rigby.
And with Kay Burley in charge of stupid questions for mad guests with odd views and Adam Boulton heading up hissy fits its all good down Murdoch Way.0 -
In touch with the working man therewilliamglenn said:The first Brexit party candidate is Annunziata Rees-Mogg.
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It's the pensioners they are afterdyedwoolie said:
In touch with the working man therewilliamglenn said:The first Brexit party candidate is Annunziata Rees-Mogg.
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I remember when David Cameron generated lots mirth by suggesting that she run as Nancy Mogg to seem less posh.williamglenn said:The first Brexit party candidate is Annunziata Rees-Mogg.
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Mwahahahahaha.williamglenn said:The first Brexit party candidate is Annunziata Rees-Mogg.
The Brexit Party will get endless PR by the ever hungry 24 hour news. And a permanent seat on QT.0 -
True enough. Ugh, what a repulsive state britpol is inIanB2 said:
It's the pensioners they are afterdyedwoolie said:
In touch with the working man therewilliamglenn said:The first Brexit party candidate is Annunziata Rees-Mogg.
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Given how high a proportion of the votes will be cast by post, that would be sensible.IanB2 said:
It's the pensioners they are afterdyedwoolie said:
In touch with the working man therewilliamglenn said:The first Brexit party candidate is Annunziata Rees-Mogg.
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And the Tories without the pensioners are going to be a sorry sight indeed.0
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Surely they can rely on their solid millenials base?! TitterIanB2 said:And the Tories without the pensioners are going to be a sorry sight indeed.
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Trouble is, in the USA exactly that thing - getting away with talking obvious bollox because "he's just like that, bit of a dick but, you know, at least he's different" - has been shown to work. And you know what they say, whatever is big the States hits our shores a couple of years later.TheScreamingEagles said:Sums up Boris doesn’t it.
Sorry for this, especially on a Friday, but I feel it's my duty.0 -
UKIP were successful because they got a ton of Labour voters to defect.Sean_F said:
Given how high a proportion of the votes will be cast by post, that would be sensible.IanB2 said:
It's the pensioners they are afterdyedwoolie said:
In touch with the working man therewilliamglenn said:The first Brexit party candidate is Annunziata Rees-Mogg.
Hopefully Farage remembers that.0 -
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Just spotted a freshly painted sky-blue open-topped double decker bus on the M25 saying "The Brexit Party. Changing Britain for Good."
You heard it here first! No sign of Farage or any other fellow passengers
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I fear QT will not be able to resist their addiction to freak show-ism and a date with both JRM and ARM is already being pencilled in.nunuone said:
Mwahahahahaha.williamglenn said:The first Brexit party candidate is Annunziata Rees-Mogg.
The Brexit Party will get endless PR by the ever hungry 24 hour news. And a permanent seat on QT.0 -
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Isn't that an old Alliance slogan?bunnco said:Just spotted a freshly painted sky-blue open-topped double decker bus on the M25 saying "The Brexit Party. Changing Britain for Good."
You heard it here first! No sign of Farage or any other fellow passengers
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Also featuring Rod Liddle, Yasmin Alibai-Brown and StormzyTheuniondivvie said:
I fear QT will not be able to resist their addiction to freak show-ism and a date with both JRM and ARM is already being pencilled in.nunuone said:
Mwahahahahaha.williamglenn said:The first Brexit party candidate is Annunziata Rees-Mogg.
The Brexit Party will get endless PR by the ever hungry 24 hour news. And a permanent seat on QT.0 -
Go back to your constituencies and prepare for being a spitting image jokeIanB2 said:
Isn't that an old Alliance slogan?bunnco said:Just spotted a freshly painted sky-blue open-topped double decker bus on the M25 saying "The Brexit Party. Changing Britain for Good."
You heard it here first! No sign of Farage or any other fellow passengers
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Post Brexit, the only European nation other than Russia and Belarus not in the EU, EFTA, Customs Union or applying to be one of the above will be the UK.kle4 said:
And families require political union why? Are those not in the union not part of the European family? Do families all share the same level of connection?Foxy said:
Because Europe is our family.kle4 said:
Which means we must be part of a political union why?Foxy said:
It is striking how England's greatest bard set so many of his plays in what is now the EU. Denmark, Venice, Verona, Rome, Cyprus, Greece. Its almost as if we have a common European culture going back for thousands of years.Nigelb said:
Yes, he nailed Brexit.TOPPING said:Paging @Casino_Royale
I hope you were listening to R4 this morning where you will have heard some of Shakespeare’s beautiful poetry from Richard II.
Fail to be moved by that and I question your Englishness.
"Of comfort no man speak:
Let's talk of graves, of worms, of epitaphs;
Make dust our paper, and with rainy eyes
Write sorrow on the bosom of the earth....
I find it difficult to believe such saccharine nonsense is the reason people support the union. It may be the best thing for us all, but because 'it is our family' as though cultural connection requires political connection is bollocks.
Economics and culture cannot be divorced from politics, because politics encompasses all human activity. Geography, History, Demography, Environment and Culture all determine that we are European, and weshould not cut ourselves off from our family and neighbours in addressing issues facing the continent.
That is not to say more remote areas are unimportant, just that Europe is the core of our culture and economy.0 -
I see the hate party has launched .
Farage doesn’t want Brexit and was overjoyed when the EU gave the 6 month extension . The only way to satisfy his large ego is to remain relevant and that means the UK staying .
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According to the Grauniad 'Nigel Farage has said he hopes his new Brexit party will be largely funded by small donations, and would not take any money from Arron Banks'bunnco said:Just spotted a freshly painted sky-blue open-topped double decker bus on the M25 saying "The Brexit Party. Changing Britain for Good."
You heard it here first! No sign of Farage or any other fellow passengers
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There is also the not wholly reprehensible objective of rendering military conflict between European nations almost unthinkable.dyedwoolie said:It's just a continental version of nationalism. Creating a power block that can get advantage over other blocks and the third world in trade and politically whilst internalizing the benefits. Nationalism without a single flag. Little Europeans are the new little Englanders.
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I’m not likely to support Farage, but he is clearly not the career political class having had a job before getting into politics. I can’t be the only one who understands that as someone who’d done PPE at uni, worked at think tank / spad / union before becoming an MP.Scott_P said:0 -
Well he will certainly be getting a small donation from me. A very small donation indeed.OldKingCole said:According to the Grauniad 'Nigel Farage has said he hopes his new Brexit party will be largely funded by small donations, and would not take any money from Arron Banks'
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Is there a purdah period for the Euros or locals ? Time rules for TV should mean UKIP get plenty more coverage than the Brexit party I think.
When does the short/long periods begin/end - are those even a thing ?0 -
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Any chance the NCA can report on Aaron Banks anytime soon or will this happen after the UK leaves .0
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There is that yes, that's the usual consequence of forming a power block, you look elsewhere for your conflictskinabalu said:
There is also the not wholly reprehensible objective of rendering military conflict between European nations almost unthinkable.dyedwoolie said:It's just a continental version of nationalism. Creating a power block that can get advantage over other blocks and the third world in trade and politically whilst internalizing the benefits. Nationalism without a single flag. Little Europeans are the new little Englanders.
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nico67 said:
I see the hate party has launched .
Farage doesn’t want Brexit and was overjoyed when the EU gave the 6 month extension . The only way to satisfy his large ego is to remain relevant and that means the UK staying .
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I think purdah has effectively begun.Pulpstar said:Is there a purdah period for the Euros or locals ? Time rules for TV should mean UKIP get plenty more coverage than the Brexit party I think.
When does the short/long periods begin/end - are those even a thing ?
Kicked in for the locals last month. Then will recommence on the 3rd of May for the locals.0 -
If we do end up with a GE, I wonder if that means a 9 party debate.... I suspect CHUK and TBP would have to be doing well in the polls to be allowed in.0
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I expect Farage will get far more publicity than Batten.Pulpstar said:Is there a purdah period for the Euros or locals ? Time rules for TV should mean UKIP get plenty more coverage than the Brexit party I think.
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Farage party wants No Deal, although he wants to call it 'clean break'.
The Overton window of Brexit has moved from 'no one is talking about leaving the single market' to 'just get out with no deal and damn the economic chaos' in three years.
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SDP will want in too now they have Rod Liddle and the OFlynn.GarethoftheVale2 said:If we do end up with a GE, I wonder if that means a 9 party debate.... I suspect CHUK and TBP would have to be doing well in the polls to be allowed in.
Tory, Lab, Lib Dem, Green, PC, SNP, UKIP, Brexit, SDP, ChUK, WEP and quick restore of Natural Law0 -
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And that more publicity for Batten may end up helping Farage anyway...Sean_F said:
I expect Farage will get far more publicity than Batten.Pulpstar said:Is there a purdah period for the Euros or locals ? Time rules for TV should mean UKIP get plenty more coverage than the Brexit party I think.
When does the short/long periods begin/end - are those even a thing ?
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https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/04/12/what-should-harry-and-meghan-should-name-their-bab
Very boring suggestions.
I suggest Wiglaf, if a boy; Khaleesi if a girl.0 -
And his slogan is cynical and dishonest given the damage Brexit is doingrottenborough said:nico67 said:I see the hate party has launched .
Farage doesn’t want Brexit and was overjoyed when the EU gave the 6 month extension . The only way to satisfy his large ego is to remain relevant and that means the UK staying .0 -
There is for the locals. Frankie Boyle was on his TV show last night, making jokes about having to write jokes about Vince Cable.Pulpstar said:Is there a purdah period for the Euros or locals ? Time rules for TV should mean UKIP get plenty more coverage than the Brexit party I think.
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Raedwald for a boy, freya for a girlSean_F said:https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/04/12/what-should-harry-and-meghan-should-name-their-bab
Very boring suggestions.
I suggest Wiglaf, if a boy; Khaleesi if a girl.0 -
Your career politician definition rules out Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn (just) and Vince Cable, to name but three.Nemtynakht said:
I’m not likely to support Farage, but he is clearly not the career political class having had a job before getting into politics. I can’t be the only one who understands that as someone who’d done PPE at uni, worked at think tank / spad / union before becoming an MP.Scott_P said:0 -
Instead of Brexit, they should have been called Brignitas.Scott_P said:0 -
To be fair, and I'm never ever likely to vote for a Faragist party, I agree. He was reasonably well known in the City, especially on the Metals Exchange, before getting elected an MEP in 1999.Nemtynakht said:
I’m not likely to support Farage, but he is clearly not the career political class having had a job before getting into politics. I can’t be the only one who understands that as someone who’d done PPE at uni, worked at think tank / spad / union before becoming an MP.Scott_P said:0 -
The FaragistsAlastairMeeks said:
Instead of Brexit, they should have been called Brignitas.Scott_P said:0 -
Mr. F, daft suggestion. Khaleesi is a title, not a name.
Reminds me, my mother told me of some chap, maybe a Trump relative, who had a first or middle name Christ. I objected on the same basis.0 -
LikeAlastairMeeks said:Instead of Brexit, they should have been called Brignitas.
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Hundreds of American girls have been named Khaleesi.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. F, daft suggestion. Khaleesi is a title, not a name.
Reminds me, my mother told me of some chap, maybe a Trump relative, who had a first or middle name Christ. I objected on the same basis.0 -
Indeed. Especially Vince, who didn't get elected until he was in his 50's, although he'd stood several times before that.Benpointer said:
Your career politician definition rules out Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn (just) and Vince Cable, to name but three.Nemtynakht said:
I’m not likely to support Farage, but he is clearly not the career political class having had a job before getting into politics. I can’t be the only one who understands that as someone who’d done PPE at uni, worked at think tank / spad / union before becoming an MP.Scott_P said:
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Mr. F, freedom means the right for people to be wrong.0
