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Melissa Kite in argument with Peter Oborne on Channel 4 News. Melissa Kite sounded desperate. She was pulling poll numbers out of her backside. Not the brightest that's for sure.0
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Only works if the Executive is elected separately. If the government is (as is likely) changing every 12-24 months nothing will ever get done in a strategic wayFoxy said:
Annual parliaments is the only outstanding demand of the Peoples Charter of the 1840s.rcs1000 said:
Why not one tenth every six month? Or, even better, one twentieth every three months?paulyork64 said:
I'd quite like HoC elections for 1/5th of the seats each year. Hopefully governments would take a more long term view instead of coming up with bribes every 4 or 5 years.NickPalmer said:
It's quite common, I believe - the idea is to keep a level of party activism all the time and to effect change gradually rather than have a sudden swing from one party to another. Whether the voters like being consulted/pestered more often I don't know.SandyRentool said:
Local elections every year! There can't be many parts of the country that are blessed in that way.Torby_Fennel said:Sorry for the late reply, as I've been out leafleting, but in the previous thread eristdoof asked me what I'm comparing this year's positive Lib Dem canvassing responses to.
The answer is I'm comparing to last year, 2018. In my city the wards are all triple member wards with one of the three council seats in each ward up for election each year in turn (excluding the one year in four that we have county council elections instead).
Electing 130 seats each May would be a step that way, and keep 5 year terms. A reasonable compromise.0 -
The whole thing stinks...IanB2 said:
For the ping, not the pong. The pong is the problem which is why I don't think they will ping.Drutt said:
I have done some more digging and understand that the Commons has set aside an hour this evening for just such a ping pong (legislative, rather than recreational).IanB2 said:
Which means that unless the Commons feel it wrecks the bill, it will be acceptedJosephG said:
Commons considers Lords' mendments. If accepted, Bill goes for Royal Assent. If rejected, Bill goes back to Lords, who decide whether to accept Commons' rejection of its amendments (which is usual) or to insist on the amendments, in which it goes back to the Commons to reconsider. In theory a ping-pong effect could occur (but I have a feeling at the back of my mind that Joint Committe of the Commons and Lords can be appointed to break any jog-jam).Drutt said:
Can anyone tell me how the Cooper/Letwin Bill gets to Royal Assent if it's gone through unamended on third reading in the Commons but has just been amended by Pannick's amendment in the Lords?matt said:
89 minutes too many. MPs can just hold up placards saying “what I’ve said before, repeatedly”. Votes may have changed but there’s little evidence that anything said in Parliament has changed an opinion.IanB2 said:Breaking: If Cooper/Letwin is agreed today, Government confirms the House will be receiving a motion on an extension. Motion would be tabled later this evening, for debate tomorrow subject to Royal Assent. Government only offering 90 minutes for the debate.
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Just imagine, 650 separate dodgy Lib Dem bar chartsdixiedean said:
Imagine the betting opportunities!not_on_fire said:
How about electing 1 MP every 3 days?Foxy said:
Annual parliaments is the only outstanding demand of the Peoples Charter of the 1840s.rcs1000 said:
Why not one tenth every six month? Or, even better, one twentieth every three months?paulyork64 said:
I'd quite like HoC elections for 1/5th of the seats each year. Hopefully governments would take a more long term view instead of coming up with bribes every 4 or 5 years.NickPalmer said:
It's quite common, I believe - the idea is to keep a level of party activism all the time and to effect change gradually rather than have a sudden swing from one party to another. Whether the voters like being consulted/pestered more often I don't know.SandyRentool said:
Local elections every year! There can't be many parts of the country that are blessed in that way.Torby_Fennel said:Sorry for the late reply, as I've been out leafleting, but in the previous thread eristdoof asked me what I'm comparing this year's positive Lib Dem canvassing responses to.
The answer is I'm comparing to last year, 2018. In my city the wards are all triple member wards with one of the three council seats in each ward up for election each year in turn (excluding the one year in four that we have county council elections instead).
Electing 130 seats each May would be a step that way, and keep 5 year terms. A reasonable compromise.0 -
Nobody will "clean up" in a PR election unless you actually believe that Farage will get over 70% of the voteGIN1138 said:
Farage. JRM, Boris, etc would love the EU to turf us out.Andrew said:GIN1138 said:What is "enhanced sincere cooperation" when it's at home?
Not deliberately being a massive tool and wrecking everything in sight to get our way.
They're listening to what the likes of Mogg and Francois are saying, and concerned these clowns would have influence under a new PM.
Imagine the fun Farage will have trying to get the EU to kick us out especially if his Brexit Party cleans up in the EU elections (which will be a mandate to be wreckers)0 -
I think Sunil would actually explode...not_on_fire said:
Just imagine, 650 separate dodgy Lib Dem bar chartsdixiedean said:
Imagine the betting opportunities!not_on_fire said:
How about electing 1 MP every 3 days?Foxy said:
Annual parliaments is the only outstanding demand of the Peoples Charter of the 1840s.rcs1000 said:
Why not one tenth every six month? Or, even better, one twentieth every three months?paulyork64 said:
I'd quite like HoC elections for 1/5th of the seats each year. Hopefully governments would take a more long term view instead of coming up with bribes every 4 or 5 years.NickPalmer said:
It's quite common, I believe - the idea is to keep a level of party activism all the time and to effect change gradually rather than have a sudden swing from one party to another. Whether the voters like being consulted/pestered more often I don't know.SandyRentool said:
Local elections every year! There can't be many parts of the country that are blessed in that way.Torby_Fennel said:Sorry for the late reply, as I've been out leafleting, but in the previous thread eristdoof asked me what I'm comparing this year's positive Lib Dem canvassing responses to.
The answer is I'm comparing to last year, 2018. In my city the wards are all triple member wards with one of the three council seats in each ward up for election each year in turn (excluding the one year in four that we have county council elections instead).
Electing 130 seats each May would be a step that way, and keep 5 year terms. A reasonable compromise.0 -
The recent and current Conservative administrations are not Thatcherite and haven't been for some time. It's a case of the congregation killing the God thru ritual: they pay lip service to the outward appearance (or their interpretation of it) but ignore the substance. In Orwellian terms, they do not bellyfeel her.TheKitchenCabinet said:
Yet if you look at the attitudes the young have, they are much more pro-Thatcherite than their older compatriots. The Conservative party problem seems to be one of branding, not substance.Casino_Royale said:
I quote, “the Conservatives are on a demographic conveyor belt to oblivion.”Casino_Royale said:Anyone betting on the next general election needs to read this:
https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Onward-Generation-Why-online-PDF.pdf
Bleak.
It's not confined to the Tories. How the hell Labour became a pressure group for the Palestinian people instead of its traditional role as the representatives of the working class to power is beyond me.
And as for the LibDems...let us draw a kindly veil...
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I actually wouldn't mind annual electionsydoethur said:
I think Sunil would actually explode...not_on_fire said:
Just imagine, 650 separate dodgy Lib Dem bar chartsdixiedean said:
Imagine the betting opportunities!not_on_fire said:
How about electing 1 MP every 3 days?Foxy said:
Annual parliaments is the only outstanding demand of the Peoples Charter of the 1840s.rcs1000 said:
Why not one tenth every six month? Or, even better, one twentieth every three months?paulyork64 said:
I'd quite like HoC elections for 1/5th of the seats each year. Hopefully governments would take a more long term view instead of coming up with bribes every 4 or 5 years.NickPalmer said:
It's quite common, I believe - the idea is to keep a level of party activism all the time and to effect change gradually rather than have a sudden swing from one party to another. Whether the voters like being consulted/pestered more often I don't know.SandyRentool said:
Local elections every year! There can't be many parts of the country that are blessed in that way.Torby_Fennel said:Sorry for the late reply, as I've been out leafleting, but in the previous thread eristdoof asked me what I'm comparing this year's positive Lib Dem canvassing responses to.
The answer is I'm comparing to last year, 2018. In my city the wards are all triple member wards with one of the three council seats in each ward up for election each year in turn (excluding the one year in four that we have county council elections instead).
Electing 130 seats each May would be a step that way, and keep 5 year terms. A reasonable compromise.
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Has anyone checked with Brenda from Bristol?Sunil_Prasannan said:
I actually wouldn't mind annual electionsydoethur said:
I think Sunil would actually explode...not_on_fire said:
Just imagine, 650 separate dodgy Lib Dem bar chartsdixiedean said:
Imagine the betting opportunities!not_on_fire said:
How about electing 1 MP every 3 days?Foxy said:
Annual parliaments is the only outstanding demand of the Peoples Charter of the 1840s.rcs1000 said:
Why not one tenth every six month? Or, even better, one twentieth every three months?paulyork64 said:
I'd quite like HoC elections for 1/5th of the seats each year. Hopefully governments would take a more long term view instead of coming up with bribes every 4 or 5 years.NickPalmer said:
It's quite common, I believe - the idea is to keep a level of party activism all the time and to effect change gradually rather than have a sudden swing from one party to another. Whether the voters like being consulted/pestered more often I don't know.SandyRentool said:
Local elections every year! There can't be many parts of the country that are blessed in that way.Torby_Fennel said:Sorry for the late reply, as I've been out leafleting, but in the previous thread eristdoof asked me what I'm comparing this year's positive Lib Dem canvassing responses to.
The answer is I'm comparing to last year, 2018. In my city the wards are all triple member wards with one of the three council seats in each ward up for election each year in turn (excluding the one year in four that we have county council elections instead).
Electing 130 seats each May would be a step that way, and keep 5 year terms. A reasonable compromise.0 -
Labour got that way because they were brought up on, or on their parents' reminiscences of, twattish anti apartheid demos and were looking for another racial injustice in a faraway country of which we know little to fill the void. It was bad luck that israel fit the bill because you were then combining all that stuff with the traditional far left demonizing of the Jews.viewcode said:
The recent and current Conservative administrations are not Thatcherite and haven't been for some time. It's a case of the congregation killing the God thru ritual: they pay lip service to the outward appearance (or their interpretation of it) but ignore the substance. In Orwellian terms, they do not bellyfeel her.TheKitchenCabinet said:
Yet if you look at the attitudes the young have, they are much more pro-Thatcherite than their older compatriots. The Conservative party problem seems to be one of branding, not substance.Casino_Royale said:
I quote, “the Conservatives are on a demographic conveyor belt to oblivion.”Casino_Royale said:Anyone betting on the next general election needs to read this:
https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Onward-Generation-Why-online-PDF.pdf
Bleak.
It's not confined to the Tories. How the hell Labour became a pressure group for the Palestinian people instead of its traditional role as the representatives of the working class to power is beyond me.
And as for the LibDems...let us draw a kindly veil...0 -
It's not whether you would mind them, it's whether you would suffer a full systems overload that was concerning me!Sunil_Prasannan said:
I actually wouldn't mind annual electionsydoethur said:
I think Sunil would actually explode...not_on_fire said:
Just imagine, 650 separate dodgy Lib Dem bar chartsdixiedean said:
Imagine the betting opportunities!not_on_fire said:
How about electing 1 MP every 3 days?Foxy said:
Annual parliaments is the only outstanding demand of the Peoples Charter of the 1840s.rcs1000 said:
Why not one tenth every six month? Or, even better, one twentieth every three months?paulyork64 said:
I'd quite like HoC elections for 1/5th of the seats each year. Hopefully governments would take a more long term view instead of coming up with bribes every 4 or 5 years.NickPalmer said:
It's quite common, I believe - the idea is to keep a level of party activism all the time and to effect change gradually rather than have a sudden swing from one party to another. Whether the voters like being consulted/pestered more often I don't know.SandyRentool said:
Local elections every year! There can't be many parts of the country that are blessed in that way.Torby_Fennel said:Sorry for the late reply, as I've been out leafleting, but in the previous thread eristdoof asked me what I'm comparing this year's positive Lib Dem canvassing responses to.
The answer is I'm comparing to last year, 2018. In my city the wards are all triple member wards with one of the three council seats in each ward up for election each year in turn (excluding the one year in four that we have county council elections instead).
Electing 130 seats each May would be a step that way, and keep 5 year terms. A reasonable compromise.0 -
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Without wanting to sound too adversarial, what kind of politics do you want? You do plenty of moaning. griping and playing the hackneyed old anti-politician game but come up with some ideas of your own to improve the lot of the country and its governance.viewcode said:
The recent and current Conservative administrations are not Thatcherite and haven't been for some time. It's a case of the congregation killing the God thru ritual: they pay lip service to the outward appearance (or their interpretation of it) but ignore the substance. In Orwellian terms, they do not bellyfeel her.
It's not confined to the Tories. How the hell Labour became a pressure group for the Palestinian people instead of its traditional role as the representatives of the working class to power is beyond me.
And as for the LibDems...let us draw a kindly veil...
Perhaps we can all vote for the Viewcode Party.0 -
"twattish anti apartheid demos" Do you really believe they were silly waste of time?Ishmael_Z said:
Labour got that way because they were brought up on, or on their parents' reminiscences of, twattish anti apartheid demos and were looking for another racial injustice in a faraway country of which we know little to fill the void. It was bad luck that israel fit the bill because you were then combining all rust stuff with the traditional far left demonizing of the Jews.viewcode said:
The recent and current Conservative administrations are not Thatcherite and haven't been for some time. It's a case of the congregation killing the God thru ritual: they pay lip service to the outward appearance (or their interpretation of it) but ignore the substance. In Orwellian terms, they do not bellyfeel her.TheKitchenCabinet said:
Yet if you look at the attitudes the young have, they are much more pro-Thatcherite than their older compatriots. The Conservative party problem seems to be one of branding, not substance.Casino_Royale said:
I quote, “the Conservatives are on a demographic conveyor belt to oblivion.”Casino_Royale said:Anyone betting on the next general election needs to read this:
https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Onward-Generation-Why-online-PDF.pdf
Bleak.
It's not confined to the Tories. How the hell Labour became a pressure group for the Palestinian people instead of its traditional role as the representatives of the working class to power is beyond me.
And as for the LibDems...let us draw a kindly veil...0 -
Annual elections do have the advantage that, in marginal areas, you don't get big swings from one council to another and the organisation itself can often see changes of control coming, that the council is more responsive to residents concerns (which has pros and cons), and that the composition of the council isn't determined for four years by short term national politics or coincidence with other sets of elections. On the other hand it is fairly relentless for councillors and activists with an annual cycle of forever campaigning for the next election.ydoethur said:
It's not whether you would mind them, it's whether you would suffer a full systems overload that was concerning me!Sunil_Prasannan said:
I actually wouldn't mind annual electionsydoethur said:
I think Sunil would actually explode...not_on_fire said:
Just imagine, 650 separate dodgy Lib Dem bar chartsdixiedean said:
Imagine the betting opportunities!not_on_fire said:
How about electing 1 MP every 3 days?Foxy said:
Annual parliaments is the only outstanding demand of the Peoples Charter of the 1840s.rcs1000 said:
Why not one tenth every six month? Or, even better, one twentieth every three months?paulyork64 said:
I'd quite like HoC elections for 1/5th of the seats each year. Hopefully governments would take a more long term view instead of coming up with bribes every 4 or 5 years.NickPalmer said:
It's quite common, I believe - the idea is to keep a level of party activism all the time and to effect change gradually rather than have a sudden swing from one party to another. Whether the voters like being consulted/pestered more often I don't know.SandyRentool said:
Local elections every year! There can't be many parts of the country that are blessed in that way.Torby_Fennel said:Sorry for the late reply, as I've been out leafleting, but in the previous thread eristdoof asked me what I'm comparing this year's positive Lib Dem canvassing responses to.
The answer is I'm comparing to last year, 2018. In my city the wards are all triple member wards with one of the three council seats in each ward up for election each year in turn (excluding the one year in four that we have county council elections instead).
Electing 130 seats each May would be a step that way, and keep 5 year terms. A reasonable compromise.0 -
Big_G won't be pleased - he's been telling us for weeks that MPs won't allow Euro elections to proceed.Scott_P said:0 -
No, but it is possible to do something useful in a twattish manner.Benpointer said:
"twattish anti apartheid demos" Do you really believe they were silly waste of time?Ishmael_Z said:
Labour got that way because they were brought up on, or on their parents' reminiscences of, twattish anti apartheid demos and were looking for another racial injustice in a faraway country of which we know little to fill the void. It was bad luck that israel fit the bill because you were then combining all rust stuff with the traditional far left demonizing of the Jews.viewcode said:
The recent and current Conservative administrations are not Thatcherite and haven't been for some time. It's a case of the congregation killing the God thru ritual: they pay lip service to the outward appearance (or their interpretation of it) but ignore the substance. In Orwellian terms, they do not bellyfeel her.TheKitchenCabinet said:
Yet if you look at the attitudes the young have, they are much more pro-Thatcherite than their older compatriots. The Conservative party problem seems to be one of branding, not substance.Casino_Royale said:
I quote, “the Conservatives are on a demographic conveyor belt to oblivion.”Casino_Royale said:Anyone betting on the next general election needs to read this:
https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Onward-Generation-Why-online-PDF.pdf
Bleak.
It's not confined to the Tories. How the hell Labour became a pressure group for the Palestinian people instead of its traditional role as the representatives of the working class to power is beyond me.
And as for the LibDems...let us draw a kindly veil...0 -
I've been busy local electioneering (the important thing) and ignoring all the nothing happening with Brexit (the not important thing) - have I missed anything?
I do remember forecasting that May would rescind A50 - a few days away from it coming to fruition...0 -
Mmmm... ok that's a neat get-out.Ishmael_Z said:
No, but it is possible to do something useful in a twattish manner.Benpointer said:
"twattish anti apartheid demos" Do you really believe they were silly waste of time?Ishmael_Z said:
Labour got that way because they were brought up on, or on their parents' reminiscences of, twattish anti apartheid demos and were looking for another racial injustice in a faraway country of which we know little to fill the void. It was bad luck that israel fit the bill because you were then combining all rust stuff with the traditional far left demonizing of the Jews.viewcode said:
The recent and current Conservative administrations are not Thatcherite and haven't been for some time. It's a case of the congregation killing the God thru ritual: they pay lip service to the outward appearance (or their interpretation of it) but ignore the substance. In Orwellian terms, they do not bellyfeel her.TheKitchenCabinet said:
Yet if you look at the attitudes the young have, they are much more pro-Thatcherite than their older compatriots. The Conservative party problem seems to be one of branding, not substance.Casino_Royale said:
I quote, “the Conservatives are on a demographic conveyor belt to oblivion.”Casino_Royale said:Anyone betting on the next general election needs to read this:
https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Onward-Generation-Why-online-PDF.pdf
Bleak.
It's not confined to the Tories. How the hell Labour became a pressure group for the Palestinian people instead of its traditional role as the representatives of the working class to power is beyond me.
And as for the LibDems...let us draw a kindly veil...
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Strictly, I believe he advised that actual legislation would be needed, which appears to have turned out not to be the case.Benpointer said:
Big_G won't be pleased - he's been telling us for weeks that MPs won't allow Euro elections to proceed.Scott_P said:0 -
Quite the contrary I am pleased that a way has been found - anything to annoy Baker and Francois is fine by meBenpointer said:
Big_G won't be pleased - he's been telling us for weeks that MPs won't allow Euro elections to proceed.Scott_P said:0 -
Yes, but to be fair in a functioning HOC it would have been, but good to have EU elections and a long extension hopefullyIanB2 said:
Strictly, I believe he advised that actual legislation would be needed, which appears to have turned out not to be the case.Benpointer said:
Big_G won't be pleased - he's been telling us for weeks that MPs won't allow Euro elections to proceed.Scott_P said:0 -
Glad to hear it Big_G.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Quite the contrary I am pleased that a way has been found - anything to annoy Baker and Francois is fine by meBenpointer said:
Big_G won't be pleased - he's been telling us for weeks that MPs won't allow Euro elections to proceed.Scott_P said:
Assuming we are still in the EU on May 23rd the EU elections are going to be fun - plenty of opportunities for those PB gamblers to lose some money, I bet! (sorry)0 -
EU language for our not playing silly buggers and, so long as we are still heading towards leaving, staying out of things that won't affect us.GIN1138 said:
What is "enhanced sincere cooperation" when it's at home?williamglenn said:0 -
Fuck off. You have obviously never witnessed a self important bunch of arseholes debating motions in jcr meetings about urging the college to stop banking at Barclays.Benpointer said:
Mmmm... ok that's a neat get-out.Ishmael_Z said:
No, but it is possible to do something useful in a twattish manner.Benpointer said:
"twattish anti apartheid demos" Do you really believe they were silly waste of time?Ishmael_Z said:
Labour got that way because they were brought up on, or on their parents' reminiscences of, twattish anti apartheid demos and were looking for another racial injustice in a faraway country of which we know little to fill the void. It was bad luck that israel fit the bill because you were then combining all rust stuff with the traditional far left demonizing of the Jews.viewcode said:
The recent and current Conservative administrations are not Thatcherite and haven't been for some time. It's a case of the congregation killing the God thru ritual: they pay lip service to the outward appearance (or their interpretation of it) but ignore the substance. In Orwellian terms, they do not bellyfeel her.TheKitchenCabinet said:
Yet if you look at the attitudes the young have, they are much more pro-Thatcherite than their older compatriots. The Conservative party problem seems to be one of branding, not substance.Casino_Royale said:
I quote, “the Conservatives are on a demographic conveyor belt to oblivion.”Casino_Royale said:Anyone betting on the next general election needs to read this:
https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Onward-Generation-Why-online-PDF.pdf
Bleak.
It's not confined to the Tories. How the hell Labour became a pressure group for the Palestinian people instead of its traditional role as the representatives of the working class to power is beyond me.
And as for the LibDems...let us draw a kindly veil...0 -
At least Bridgen will be happy. For a while.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Quite the contrary I am pleased that a way has been found - anything to annoy Baker and Francois is fine by meBenpointer said:
Big_G won't be pleased - he's been telling us for weeks that MPs won't allow Euro elections to proceed.Scott_P said:0 -
Selected completely randomly.rcs1000 said:
Why not one tenth every six month? Or, even better, one twentieth every three months?paulyork64 said:
I'd quite like HoC elections for 1/5th of the seats each year. Hopefully governments would take a more long term view instead of coming up with bribes every 4 or 5 years.NickPalmer said:
It's quite common, I believe - the idea is to keep a level of party activism all the time and to effect change gradually rather than have a sudden swing from one party to another. Whether the voters like being consulted/pestered more often I don't know.SandyRentool said:
Local elections every year! There can't be many parts of the country that are blessed in that way.Torby_Fennel said:Sorry for the late reply, as I've been out leafleting, but in the previous thread eristdoof asked me what I'm comparing this year's positive Lib Dem canvassing responses to.
The answer is I'm comparing to last year, 2018. In my city the wards are all triple member wards with one of the three council seats in each ward up for election each year in turn (excluding the one year in four that we have county council elections instead).0 -
@El_CapitanoBig_G_NorthWales said:
Quite the contrary I am pleased that a way has been found - anything to annoy Baker and Francois is fine by meBenpointer said:
Big_G won't be pleased - he's been telling us for weeks that MPs won't allow Euro elections to proceed.Scott_P said:
In future years, will Mark Francois be the Graham Kendrick of the Conservative party? 0 -
Brexit in the ERG sense has been lost through their own stupidity and a softer brexit or no brexit looks on the cards and both are fine by me, once no deal is kicked into touchBenpointer said:
Glad to hear it Big_G.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Quite the contrary I am pleased that a way has been found - anything to annoy Baker and Francois is fine by meBenpointer said:
Big_G won't be pleased - he's been telling us for weeks that MPs won't allow Euro elections to proceed.Scott_P said:
Assuming we are still in the EU on May 23rd the EU elections are going to be fun - plenty of opportunities for those PB gamblers to lose some money, I bet! (sorry)0 -
I think that can be quite beneficial for local parties in terms of keeping the activist base engaged and enthused. I was active in the Lib Dems in Winchester in the '90s and I feel the the Local Party there was fortified by having annual local elections (three out four years for the district and the fourth for the county). I don't think the LDs would have won the parliamentary seat in 1997 without this.IanB2 said:
Annual elections do have the advantage that, in marginal areas, you don't get big swings from one council to another and the organisation itself can often see changes of control coming, that the council is more responsive to residents concerns (which has pros and cons), and that the composition of the council isn't determined for four years by short term national politics or coincidence with other sets of elections. On the other hand it is fairly relentless for councillors and activists with an annual cycle of forever campaigning for the next election.ydoethur said:
It's not whether you would mind them, it's whether you would suffer a full systems overload that was concerning me!Sunil_Prasannan said:
I actually wouldn't mind annual electionsydoethur said:
I think Sunil would actually explode...not_on_fire said:
Just imagine, 650 separate dodgy Lib Dem bar chartsdixiedean said:
Imagine the betting opportunities!not_on_fire said:
How about electing 1 MP every 3 days?Foxy said:
Annual parliaments is the only outstanding demand of the Peoples Charter of the 1840s.rcs1000 said:
Why not one tenth every six month? Or, even better, one twentieth every three months?paulyork64 said:
I'd quite like HoC elections for 1/5th of the seats each year. Hopefully governments would take a more long term view instead of coming up with bribes every 4 or 5 years.NickPalmer said:
It's quite common, I believe - the idea is to keep a level of party activism all the time and to effect change gradually rather than have a sudden swing from one party to another. Whether the voters like being consulted/pestered more often I don't know.SandyRentool said:
Local elections every year! There can't be many parts of the country that are blessed in that way.
Electing 130 seats each May would be a step that way, and keep 5 year terms. A reasonable compromise.0 -
Not entirely sure about that, they may not support mass nationalisations and paying a high tax rate but they support funding the NHS and core public services as much as older voters and are also more socially liberal and less pro Brexit than their eldersTheKitchenCabinet said:
Yet if you look at the attitudes the young have, they are much more pro-Thatcherite than their older compatriots. The Conservative party problem seems to be one of branding, not substance.Casino_Royale said:
I quote, “the Conservatives are on a demographic conveyor belt to oblivion.”Casino_Royale said:Anyone betting on the next general election needs to read this:
https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Onward-Generation-Why-online-PDF.pdf
Bleak.0 -
Hmm. The anti-apartheid movement was moving, important and successful. That you sat on your hands gives you no right to sneer at others.Ishmael_Z said:
No, but it is possible to do something useful in a twattish manner.Benpointer said:
"twattish anti apartheid demos" Do you really believe they were silly waste of time?Ishmael_Z said:
Labour got that way because they were brought up on, or on their parents' reminiscences of, twattish anti apartheid demos and were looking for another racial injustice in a faraway country of which we know little to fill the void. It was bad luck that israel fit the bill because you were then combining all rust stuff with the traditional far left demonizing of the Jews.viewcode said:
The recent and current Conservative administrations are not Thatcherite and haven't been for some time. It's a case of the congregation killing the God thru ritual: they pay lip service to the outward appearance (or their interpretation of it) but ignore the substance. In Orwellian terms, they do not bellyfeel her.TheKitchenCabinet said:
Yet if you look at the attitudes the young have, they are much more pro-Thatcherite than their older compatriots. The Conservative party problem seems to be one of branding, not substance.Casino_Royale said:
I quote, “the Conservatives are on a demographic conveyor belt to oblivion.”Casino_Royale said:Anyone betting on the next general election needs to read this:
https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Onward-Generation-Why-online-PDF.pdf
Bleak.
It's not confined to the Tories. How the hell Labour became a pressure group for the Palestinian people instead of its traditional role as the representatives of the working class to power is beyond me.
And as for the LibDems...let us draw a kindly veil...0 -
Don't fret, or at least not on account of this. Party X is heading to inevitable oblivion is virtually a genre. Eric Hobsbaum started it.Casino_Royale said:
I quote, “the Conservatives are on a demographic conveyor belt to oblivion.”Casino_Royale said:Anyone betting on the next general election needs to read this:
https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Onward-Generation-Why-online-PDF.pdf
Bleak.
http://banmarchive.org.uk/collections/mt/pdf/78_09_hobsbawm.pdf
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Looks like we are heading for Euro elections thenwilliamglenn said:0 -
Sincere co-operation is a two way streetHYUFD said:
Looks like we are heading for Euro elections thenwilliamglenn said:0 -
Its not a bad point (although I would have phrased it less rudely). However I do not have any power to implement any solutions. Given that, my only realistic option is to observe and describe: given the parlous state of today's politics a certain ranty tendency is difficult to avoid. Insofar as I have a mission on this board, it's to answer questions when asked, correct errors when found, and provide occasional entertainment. I also like talking about betting if you'd like to do that instead.stodge said:
Without wanting to sound too adversarial, what kind of politics do you want? You do plenty of moaning. griping and playing the hackneyed old anti-politician game but come up with some ideas of your own to improve the lot of the country and its governance.viewcode said:
The recent and current Conservative administrations are not Thatcherite and haven't been for some time. It's a case of the congregation killing the God thru ritual: they pay lip service to the outward appearance (or their interpretation of it) but ignore the substance. In Orwellian terms, they do not bellyfeel her.
It's not confined to the Tories. How the hell Labour became a pressure group for the Palestinian people instead of its traditional role as the representatives of the working class to power is beyond me.
And as for the LibDems...let us draw a kindly veil...
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One STV constituency of three MPs every week. Each MP sits for about four years.not_on_fire said:
How about electing 1 MP every 3 days?Foxy said:
Annual parliaments is the only outstanding demand of the Peoples Charter of the 1840s.rcs1000 said:
Why not one tenth every six month? Or, even better, one twentieth every three months?paulyork64 said:
I'd quite like HoC elections for 1/5th of the seats each year. Hopefully governments would take a more long term view instead of coming up with bribes every 4 or 5 years.NickPalmer said:
It's quite common, I believe - the idea is to keep a level of party activism all the time and to effect change gradually rather than have a sudden swing from one party to another. Whether the voters like being consulted/pestered more often I don't know.SandyRentool said:
Local elections every year! There can't be many parts of the country that are blessed in that way.Torby_Fennel said:Sorry for the late reply, as I've been out leafleting, but in the previous thread eristdoof asked me what I'm comparing this year's positive Lib Dem canvassing responses to.
The answer is I'm comparing to last year, 2018. In my city the wards are all triple member wards with one of the three council seats in each ward up for election each year in turn (excluding the one year in four that we have county council elections instead).
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Well, I was young and foolish then, and I never heard of anyone actually dying of apartheid, except poor young black victims of Mandela's necklacing campaigns._Anazina_ said:
Hmm. The anti-apartheid movement was moving, important and successful. That you sat on your hands gives you no right to sneer at others.Ishmael_Z said:
No, but it is possible to do something useful in a twattish manner.Benpointer said:
"twattish anti apartheid demos" Do you really believe they were silly waste of time?Ishmael_Z said:
Labour got that way because they were brought up on, or on their parents' reminiscences of, twattish anti apartheid demos and were looking for another racial injustice in a faraway country of which we know little to fill the void. It was bad luck that israel fit the bill because you were then combining all rust stuff with the traditional far left demonizing of the Jews.viewcode said:
The recent and current Conservative administrations are not Thatcherite and haven't been for some time. It's a case of the congregation killing the God thru ritual: they pay lip service to the outward appearance (or their interpretation of it) but ignore the substance. In Orwellian terms, they do not bellyfeel her.TheKitchenCabinet said:
Yet if you look at the attitudes the young have, they are much more pro-Thatcherite than their older compatriots. The Conservative party problem seems to be one of branding, not substance.Casino_Royale said:
I quote, “the Conservatives are on a demographic conveyor belt to oblivion.”Casino_Royale said:Anyone betting on the next general election needs to read this:
https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Onward-Generation-Why-online-PDF.pdf
Bleak.
It's not confined to the Tories. How the hell Labour became a pressure group for the Palestinian people instead of its traditional role as the representatives of the working class to power is beyond me.
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That a way has been found will annoy much of the Conservative Party before the elections and the entire Conservative Party once the results are declared.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Quite the contrary I am pleased that a way has been found - anything to annoy Baker and Francois is fine by meBenpointer said:
Big_G won't be pleased - he's been telling us for weeks that MPs won't allow Euro elections to proceed.Scott_P said:0 -
Hahaha. Actual laugh-out-loud moment at that one.ydoethur said:
@El_CapitanoBig_G_NorthWales said:
Quite the contrary I am pleased that a way has been found - anything to annoy Baker and Francois is fine by meBenpointer said:
Big_G won't be pleased - he's been telling us for weeks that MPs won't allow Euro elections to proceed.Scott_P said:
In future years, will Mark Francois be the Graham Kendrick of the Conservative party?
His greatest hit would presumably be Whine - Jesus! - Whine...0 -
Will turnout be higher than the 24% reached in 1999 - the last year we had stand alone EU elections?Benpointer said:
Glad to hear it Big_G.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Quite the contrary I am pleased that a way has been found - anything to annoy Baker and Francois is fine by meBenpointer said:
Big_G won't be pleased - he's been telling us for weeks that MPs won't allow Euro elections to proceed.Scott_P said:
Assuming we are still in the EU on May 23rd the EU elections are going to be fun - plenty of opportunities for those PB gamblers to lose some money, I bet! (sorry)0 -
An enhanced two way street.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sincere co-operation is a two way streetHYUFD said:
Looks like we are heading for Euro elections thenwilliamglenn said:
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It certainly wouldn't be 'Refiner's fire,' because he's passed on his heart's one desire.El_Capitano said:
Hahaha. Actual laugh-out-loud moment at that one.ydoethur said:
@El_CapitanoBig_G_NorthWales said:
Quite the contrary I am pleased that a way has been found - anything to annoy Baker and Francois is fine by meBenpointer said:
Big_G won't be pleased - he's been telling us for weeks that MPs won't allow Euro elections to proceed.Scott_P said:
In future years, will Mark Francois be the Graham Kendrick of the Conservative party?
His greatest hit would presumably be Whine - Jesus! - Whine...0 -
white flags being prepared as we speakNigelb said:
An enhanced two way street.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sincere co-operation is a two way streetHYUFD said:
Looks like we are heading for Euro elections thenwilliamglenn said:0 -
They will settle for 9 months or just under, to coincide with the time May has left.williamglenn said:0 -
Motivated brexiteers and remainers may see a good turnoutjustin124 said:
Will turnout be higher than the 24% reached in 1999 - the last year we had stand alone EU elections?Benpointer said:
Glad to hear it Big_G.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Quite the contrary I am pleased that a way has been found - anything to annoy Baker and Francois is fine by meBenpointer said:
Big_G won't be pleased - he's been telling us for weeks that MPs won't allow Euro elections to proceed.Scott_P said:
Assuming we are still in the EU on May 23rd the EU elections are going to be fun - plenty of opportunities for those PB gamblers to lose some money, I bet! (sorry)0 -
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True and therefore very much at odds with the current leadership. Unfortunately this may only become apparent to them through the bitter experience of a Corbyn government.HYUFD said:
Not entirely sure about that, they may not support mass nationalisations and paying a high tax rate but they support funding the NHS and core public services as much as older voters and are also more socially liberal and less pro Brexit than their eldersTheKitchenCabinet said:
Yet if you look at the attitudes the young have, they are much more pro-Thatcherite than their older compatriots. The Conservative party problem seems to be one of branding, not substance.Casino_Royale said:
I quote, “the Conservatives are on a demographic conveyor belt to oblivion.”Casino_Royale said:Anyone betting on the next general election needs to read this:
https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Onward-Generation-Why-online-PDF.pdf
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It does and the trend is against ERG to a soft brexit, even no brexit, and as I have said both are fine with mekle4 said:
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Someone did some canvassing this weekendScott_P said:0 -
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To the leavers irritated that he is seen as their representative; to the remainers incredulous that such a man should get so much air-time; to the innocent children set to suffer because if his behaviour...
I give you Twitter's collective opinion of Mark Francois.
https://twitter.com/search?q=#MarkFrancoisMP&src=trend_click
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Noteworthy that this is almost like resigning from a party.Scott_P said:0 -
Yes, thanks for the link - one to file away for anyone interested in constituency betting at the next GE.Casino_Royale said:
I quote, “the Conservatives are on a demographic conveyor belt to oblivion.”Casino_Royale said:Anyone betting on the next general election needs to read this:
https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Onward-Generation-Why-online-PDF.pdf
Bleak.
The stark age differential in voting patterns is extremely unhealthy for our democracy. But taking a narrow political view, the key for the Tories is ensuring that as the general population ages, people continue to switch in their direction as they move through middle age. But the evidence isn't encouraging. Being excluded from home ownership is reducing middle aged propensity to vote Tory. An increasing proportion of people approaching middle age are from ethnic minorities. The UK population continues to become more urban. And the 2016 referendum has frozen attitudes in time, with remainers then almost all being remainers now despite three years' more age.
The deepest problem for the Tories is that the sort of things they need to be doing to attract back people of working age are the precise opposite of where their obsession with a hard Brexit is taking them.0 -
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MayDay’s demob happy and having a laugh. If she has any sense she’ll use this one-off opportunity to finally scythe this once great party of state of its moondog right. A tilt at immortality for Tess.Scott_P said:
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To get through the whole lot in a FTPA parliament you'd need one about every third day. You could pull it out with the lottery numbers.Recidivist said:
Selected completely randomly.rcs1000 said:
Why not one tenth every six month? Or, even better, one twentieth every three months?paulyork64 said:
I'd quite like HoC elections for 1/5th of the seats each year. Hopefully governments would take a more long term view instead of coming up with bribes every 4 or 5 years.NickPalmer said:
It's quite common, I believe - the idea is to keep a level of party activism all the time and to effect change gradually rather than have a sudden swing from one party to another. Whether the voters like being consulted/pestered more often I don't know.SandyRentool said:
Local elections every year! There can't be many parts of the country that are blessed in that way.Torby_Fennel said:Sorry for the late reply, as I've been out leafleting, but in the previous thread eristdoof asked me what I'm comparing this year's positive Lib Dem canvassing responses to.
The answer is I'm comparing to last year, 2018. In my city the wards are all triple member wards with one of the three council seats in each ward up for election each year in turn (excluding the one year in four that we have county council elections instead).0 -
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Good god.Ishmael_Z said:
Well, I was young and foolish then, and I never heard of anyone actually dying of apartheid, except poor young black victims of Mandela's necklacing campaigns._Anazina_ said:
Hmm. The anti-apartheid movement was moving, important and successful. That you sat on your hands gives you no right to sneer at others.Ishmael_Z said:
No, but it is possible to do something useful in a twattish manner.Benpointer said:
"twattish anti apartheid demos" Do you really believe they were silly waste of time?Ishmael_Z said:
Labour got that way because they were brought up on, or on their parents' reminiscences of, twattish anti apartheid demos and were looking for another racial injustice in a faraway country of which we know little to fill the void. It was bad luck that israel fit the bill because you were then combining all rust stuff with the traditional far left demonizing of the Jews.viewcode said:
The recent and current Conservative administrations are not Thatcherite and haven't been for some time. It's a case of the congregation killing the God thru ritual: they pay lip service to the outward appearance (or their interpretation of it) but ignore the substance. In Orwellian terms, they do not bellyfeel her.TheKitchenCabinet said:
Yet if you look at the attitudes the young have, they are much more pro-Thatcherite than their older compatriots. The Conservative party problem seems to be one of branding, not substance.Casino_Royale said:
I quote, “the Conservatives are on a demographic conveyor belt to oblivion.”Casino_Royale said:Anyone betting on the next general election needs to read this:
https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Onward-Generation-Why-online-PDF.pdf
Bleak.
It's not confined to the Tories. How the hell Labour became a pressure group for the Palestinian people instead of its traditional role as the representatives of the working class to power is beyond me.
And as for the LibDems...let us draw a kindly veil...0 -
Astonishing ignorance!Ishmael_Z said:
Well, I was young and foolish then, and I never heard of anyone actually dying of apartheid, except poor young black victims of Mandela's necklacing campaigns._Anazina_ said:
Hmm. The anti-apartheid movement was moving, important and successful. That you sat on your hands gives you no right to sneer at others.Ishmael_Z said:
No, but it is possible to do something useful in a twattish manner.Benpointer said:
"twattish anti apartheid demos" Do you really believe they were silly waste of time?Ishmael_Z said:
Labour got that way because they were brought up on, or on their parents' reminiscences of, twattish anti apartheid demos and were looking for another racial injustice in a faraway country of which we know little to fill the void. It was bad luck that israel fit the bill because you were then combining all rust stuff with the traditional far left demonizing of the Jews.viewcode said:
The recent and current Conservative administrations are not Thatcherite and haven't been for some time. It's a case of the congregation killing the God thru ritual: they pay lip service to the outward appearance (or their interpretation of it) but ignore the substance. In Orwellian terms, they do not bellyfeel her.TheKitchenCabinet said:
Yet if you look at the attitudes the young have, they are much more pro-Thatcherite than their older compatriots. The Conservative party problem seems to be one of branding, not substance.Casino_Royale said:
I quote, “the Conservatives are on a demographic conveyor belt to oblivion.”Casino_Royale said:Anyone betting on the next general election needs to read this:
https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Onward-Generation-Why-online-PDF.pdf
Bleak.
It's not confined to the Tories. How the hell Labour became a pressure group for the Palestinian people instead of its traditional role as the representatives of the working class to power is beyond me.
And as for the LibDems...let us draw a kindly veil...
Eugene De Kock amongst others has freely confessed to his murders, often of peaceful activists.
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This has turned my eight year old son into a leaver!dixiedean said:
Not to mention, whenever almost any social ill is revealed, the knee jerk response of "something must be done to censor the Internet!"WhisperingOracle said:
In terms of individualism, but not in terms of attitudes to international co-operation, the environment or the EU, for instance.TheKitchenCabinet said:
Yet if you look at the attitudes the young have, they are much more pro-Thatcherite than their older compatriots. The Conservative party problem seems to be one of branding, not substance.Casino_Royale said:
I quote, “the Conservatives are on a demographic conveyor belt to oblivion.”Casino_Royale said:Anyone betting on the next general election needs to read this:
https://www.ukonward.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Onward-Generation-Why-online-PDF.pdf
Bleak.
Also a historically unprecedented, and arguably contradicting mix of things like greater support for economic and cultural individualism and support for state nationalisation of utilities and public services.
Young people tend to find that creepy, unnatural and, almost always, promoted by a Minister without the foggiest idea how it works.
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/what-is-article-13-article-11-european-directive-on-copyright-explained-meme-ban0
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