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No deal then basically fold into whatever the EU wants from us. Irish sea border ? No problemo...dixiedean said:
"If we No Deal, it will force the EU to the negotiating table to give us what we want." appears to be coming up quickly on the rails to take over as the next batshit mad one.williamglenn said:
"We hold all the cards"Philip_Thompson said:
Name one airy generalisation that has categorically been shown to be complete horse feathers.AlastairMeeks said:
The last couple of years have shown that all the airy generalisations that Leavers went in for before the referendum result were complete horse feathers. All that's happened is that Leavers have got steadily more deranged and extreme.Philip_Thompson said:
Experience?AlastairMeeks said:
It's easy to see why those who get wealthier as they age might become more attracted to the party of the property-owning classes.felix said:
Twas always the case yet the proportions of votes for right-wing parties in that group have continued to grow.AlastairMeeks said:
Different pensioners. It's a conveyor belt, but without the cuddly toy.felix said:
Unless you plan mass euthanasia or worse the proportions of pensioners are continuing to grow.AlastairMeeks said:
What do you think the Conservatives' long term message would be to the public after a no-deal Brexit. "Yes, we risked the country's stability for something we passionately believed in, but trust us now"?
No doubt you find that a compelling message but the overwhelming majority who aren't in the death cult will not. Bear in mind also that the death cult is disproportionately comprised of pensioners, so it has a diminishing audience too.
It's less easy to see why those who get older would decide that an idea that they thought was batshit mental was in fact not batshit mental.
Now it may be that Remainers are innately superior in intellect and stability to Leavers, but I wouldn't base my predictions on it. People bend the facts to their opinions, not vice versa.
"They need us more than we need them"
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Whipping is difficult if the Chief Whip is opposed. However, it is more of a polite request these days.Sean_F said:
Most of the payroll would not support it, including the Chief Whip.Jonathan said:
It could if the payroll was whipped to support it.dyedwoolie said:
How on earth can a referendum amendment be selected two days after being voted down? It couldn't possibly pass.Jonathan said:
They can amend it to make it dependent on a referendum and/or change the political declaration.Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1113035316904984576
I think MPs now have a duty to vote for May's deal to avoid No Deal.
It's as simple as that.0 -
Bit like Scotland as London gave it away to help the south eastBig_G_NorthWales said:
I am not into the detail but the Irish Fisherman seem to be disadvantaged in their own watersTheuniondivvie said:
Aren't Irish fishermen also EU fishermen? What specific side is Varadkar taking?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not really. There is an Irish specific fight going on between the Irish fishing industry and the Irish government who are taking the side of EU fishermen, inflaming anger in the 1.4 billion euros per annum industryTheuniondivvie said:
Big G has transposed the British/Scottish relationship with fishing wherein a tiny amount of the electorate & even tinier percentage of industrial output exerts a disproportionate influence on UK politics. I would be surprised if the same anomaly exists in Ireland.AlastairMeeks said:
Have you got any recent polling on the popularity of Irexit? Last time I saw the Irish were favouring staying in the EU by about 90% to 10%.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure I understand your point AlastairAlastairMeeks said:
Kudos to him, he used his position to try to get to meet Kylie Minogue.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Varadkar is in real crisis as he must answer the question what he does when the EU put in place their border on the 13th April post no dealCarlottaVance said:
In addition it may not be known here but he is in serious trouble with his fishermen
Furthermore, the IREXIT freedom party are growing and support the fishermen
I believe (as with the UK) that the EU is Ireland's main export market for seafood. What do Irish fishermen think should be done to protect that market?0 -
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Not at all, it will give them a boost. The chaos, job losses and bankruptcies will be blamed on it being the wrong kind of No Deal.dyedwoolie said:The good news if we no deal is it kills UKIP and Farages new party
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Slackbladder said:
I think MPs now have a duty to vote for May's deal to avoid No Deal.
It's as simple as that.
If it really does come down to a final, last minute deal or no-deal .... will Corbyn really whip for no-deal?
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Yes, it's got to the Pirates of the Caribbean stage now.dixiedean said:
Whipping is difficult if the Chief Whip is opposed. However, it is more of a polite request these days.Sean_F said:
Most of the payroll would not support it, including the Chief Whip.Jonathan said:
It could if the payroll was whipped to support it.dyedwoolie said:
How on earth can a referendum amendment be selected two days after being voted down? It couldn't possibly pass.Jonathan said:
They can amend it to make it dependent on a referendum and/or change the political declaration.Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1113035316904984576
I think MPs now have a duty to vote for May's deal to avoid No Deal.
It's as simple as that.0 -
I have been preaching this for weeks and it is so obvious the ERG have played their cause well, but the Country is going to suffer big time unless TM WDA passes with a reasonable majorityBob__Sykes said:
It has felt like "checkmate" for May and the Tories for a few days now.dyedwoolie said:
Yep. If Letwin has thrown in the towel it's overSlackbladder said:https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1113035316904984576
I think MPs now have a duty to vote for May's deal to avoid No Deal.
It's as simple as that.
But I think the reality is worse - it's checkmate for the whole UK.
It is dawning on me now that we're the proverbial boiling frog. We've just realised we need to leap out of the pan. But we don't now have the means to do so.
It's No Deal, and we're all fucked. There really is no "panic button" option to get us out of it, is there?
Unless the EU panics first and dives in to rescue us.
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Given the size of the populations girths in UK then that would be a big bonus for health and save fortune for NHSMyBurningEars said:
Not advocating the benefits of No Deal here, but just as general rule I'm cautious of claims where impact statistics areFrancisUrquhart said:
I have to say I was surprised that in this doomsday document to the pm about no deal, it was said food costs would rise by upto 10%. Much that is unwelcome and the poorest would definitely be at the sharp end of that, let's say it's actually 5-6%...I honestly doubt people would notice & certainly no enough for mass riots in Sainsbury's ala Venezuela.Sean_F said:
Yes, if it's people from Goldman Sachs complaining, it will be very popular.edmundintokyo said:
That's probably not enough, as the media will run on stuff that went wrong but could have been planned for and had some sympathetic victim, and the government will be hit with this from all kinds of media and every part of the political spectrum from Corbyn to Farage.Sean_F said:
I would not expect it to go great. But, if it went as Robert Smithson suggests, there would be a lot of people who would not suffer adverse consequences.
If it's mainly screwing untelegenic people then it may be survivable though.
The way it has been hyped up, a bit like the overdone cuts narrative, I think a lot of people are expecting hyperinflation and bread shortages.
(a) Quoted as "up to",
(b) Not accompanied by a central estimate or range of most plausible estimates,
(b) Calculated on the premise that the organisation that cared enough about the impact that it ordered the assessment to be written, nevertheless choosing to do nothing within its power to reduce that impact.
If we end up in a No Deal situation in which the government really does voluntarily impose enormous tariffs to drive up prices of food, household essentials and industrial inputs, then they'll have managed to turn something economically risky and self-destructive into something even more risky and self-destructive...0 -
The Chief Whip advocates a softer Brexit. He told the nation so yesterday evening on the post-Brexit (woops!) documentary.dixiedean said:
Whipping is difficult if the Chief Whip is opposed. However, it is more of a polite request these days.Sean_F said:
Most of the payroll would not support it, including the Chief Whip.Jonathan said:
It could if the payroll was whipped to support it.dyedwoolie said:
How on earth can a referendum amendment be selected two days after being voted down? It couldn't possibly pass.Jonathan said:
They can amend it to make it dependent on a referendum and/or change the political declaration.Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1113035316904984576
I think MPs now have a duty to vote for May's deal to avoid No Deal.
It's as simple as that.0 -
A plausible scenario is the HoC approving a "blind" long delay and then the EU insisting / dictating the terms of that delay (i.e. with a referendum), which we then presumably have to abide by.Scott_P said:0 -
9 labour front benches defied the whip to abstain on PV yesterday. Both parties in disarray0
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SNP will not vote without it having FoMbigjohnowls said:The Customs Union motion fell by 3 votes.
SNP (35 MPs) abstained; TIG (11) voted against; 5 Lib Dems voted against, 5 abstained, and 1 voted for.
In addition, Labour Remainer Owen Smith and Green MP Caroline Lucas also voted against it.0 -
Slack bladder indeed - that's exactly what May wants you to do!Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1113035316904984576
I think MPs now have a duty to vote for May's deal to avoid No Deal.
It's as simple as that.0 -
A bill in the name of Yvette Cooper sponsored by Oliver Letwin to avert no deal to be presented today0
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They've tried the rest. They've mde themselves look like wazzocks in the process. Now time to cave in to theSlackbladder said:https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1113035316904984576
I think MPs now have a duty to vote for May's deal to avoid No Deal.
It's as simple as that.bestleast worst deal on offer.
Some of us have been there for ages.0 -
I think 45 Labour MP's either voted against a second referendum or abstained.Scott_P said:0 -
I remember my late Father in law fighting tooth and nail against joining the EUmalcolmg said:
Bit like Scotland as London gave it away to help the south eastBig_G_NorthWales said:
I am not into the detail but the Irish Fisherman seem to be disadvantaged in their own watersTheuniondivvie said:
Aren't Irish fishermen also EU fishermen? What specific side is Varadkar taking?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not really. There is an Irish specific fight going on between the Irish fishing industry and the Irish government who are taking the side of EU fishermen, inflaming anger in the 1.4 billion euros per annum industryTheuniondivvie said:
Big G has transposed the British/Scottish relationship with fishing wherein a tiny amount of the electorate & even tinier percentage of industrial output exerts a disproportionate influence on UK politics. I would be surprised if the same anomaly exists in Ireland.AlastairMeeks said:
Have you got any recent polling on the popularity of Irexit? Last time I saw the Irish were favouring staying in the EU by about 90% to 10%.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure I understand your point AlastairAlastairMeeks said:
Kudos to him, he used his position to try to get to meet Kylie Minogue.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Varadkar is in real crisis as he must answer the question what he does when the EU put in place their border on the 13th April post no dealCarlottaVance said:
In addition it may not be known here but he is in serious trouble with his fishermen
Furthermore, the IREXIT freedom party are growing and support the fishermen
I believe (as with the UK) that the EU is Ireland's main export market for seafood. What do Irish fishermen think should be done to protect that market?0 -
The Legislature giving away both the powers of the Legislature and the Executive to a foreign power. A foreign power the people have voted to move away from. Cracking job guys!tottenhamWC said:
A plausible scenario is the HoC approving a "blind" long delay and then the EU insisting / dictating the terms of that delay (i.e. with a referendum), which we then presumably have to abide by.Scott_P said:
By rights, there should be about 300 MPs resigning from the House in shame. They won't do the job they were elected to do. So depart the stage, please.0 -
Am beginning to think passing TMs Deal may turn out to be the worst possible result for the government. All other scenarios, and blame can be deflected. In that one, you still have a fractured, resentful Party, with no one else to shoulder the responsibility.
And no solution to the blatant fact, we don't know what kind of future relationship we want.0 -
maybe BMW have finally stirreddixiedean said:
"If we No Deal, it will force the EU to the negotiating table to give us what we want." appears to be coming up quickly on the rails to take over as the next batshit mad one.williamglenn said:
"We hold all the cards"Philip_Thompson said:
Name one airy generalisation that has categorically been shown to be complete horse feathers.AlastairMeeks said:
The last couple of years have shown that all the airy generalisations that Leavers went in for before the referendum result were complete horse feathers. All that's happened is that Leavers have got steadily more deranged and extreme.Philip_Thompson said:
Experience?AlastairMeeks said:
It's easy to see why those who get wealthier as they age might become more attracted to the party of the property-owning classes.felix said:
Twas always the case yet the proportions of votes for right-wing parties in that group have continued to grow.AlastairMeeks said:
Different pensioners. It's a conveyor belt, but without the cuddly toy.felix said:
Unless you plan mass euthanasia or worse the proportions of pensioners are continuing to grow.AlastairMeeks said:
What do you think the Conservatives' long term message would be to the public after a no-deal Brexit. "Yes, we risked the country's stability for something we passionately believed in, but trust us now"?
No doubt you find that a compelling message but the overwhelming majority who aren't in the death cult will not. Bear in mind also that the death cult is disproportionately comprised of pensioners, so it has a diminishing audience too.
It's less easy to see why those who get older would decide that an idea that they thought was batshit mental was in fact not batshit mental.
Now it may be that Remainers are innately superior in intellect and stability to Leavers, but I wouldn't base my predictions on it. People bend the facts to their opinions, not vice versa.
"They need us more than we need them"
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I wonder if we'll get a deal-or-no-deal referendum option.MarqueeMark said:
They've tried the rest. They've mde themselves look like wazzocks in the process. Now time to cave in to theSlackbladder said:https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1113035316904984576
I think MPs now have a duty to vote for May's deal to avoid No Deal.
It's as simple as that.bestleast worst deal on offer.
Some of us have been there for ages.0 -
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Yes, I dont think No Deal would look like a zombie apocalypse, not least as we can often subtitute foodstuffs with others. Something like 8% of my departments treatment packs come from the EU, but if that is disrupted it mostly means cancellations and delays to treatment rather than fatalities. Things can be mitigated in the short term, but the long term degradation of the country would be more insidious and reversible.MyBurningEars said:
Not advocating the benefits of No Deal here, but just as general rule I'm cautious of claims where impact statistics areFrancisUrquhart said:
I have to say I was surprised that in this doomsday document to the pm about no deal, it was said food costs would rise by upto 10%. Much that is unwelcome and the poorest would definitely be at the sharp end of that, let's say it's actually 5-6%...I honestly doubt people would notice & certainly no enough for mass riots in Sainsbury's ala Venezuela.Sean_F said:
Yes, if it's people from Goldman Sachs complaining, it will be very popular.edmundintokyo said:
That's probably not enough, as the media will run on stuff that went wrong but could have been planned for and had some sympathetic victim, and the government will be hit with this from all kinds of media and every part of the political spectrum from Corbyn to Farage.Sean_F said:
I would not expect it to go great. But, if it went as Robert Smithson suggests, there would be a lot of people who would not suffer adverse consequences.
If it's mainly screwing untelegenic people then it may be survivable though.
The way it has been hyped up, a bit like the overdone cuts narrative, I think a lot of people are expecting hyperinflation and bread shortages.
(a) Quoted as "up to",
(b) Not accompanied by a central estimate or range of most plausible estimates,
(b) Calculated on the premise that the organisation that cared enough about the impact that it ordered the assessment to be written, nevertheless choosing to do nothing within its power to reduce that impact.
If we end up in a No Deal situation in which the government really does voluntarily impose enormous tariffs to drive up prices of food, household essentials and industrial inputs, then they'll have managed to turn something economically risky and self-destructive into something even more risky and self-destructive...
I am pretty relaxed about No Deal personally.0 -
Fake grievance alert !!!!!malcolmg said:
Bit like Scotland as London gave it away to help the south eastBig_G_NorthWales said:
I am not into the detail but the Irish Fisherman seem to be disadvantaged in their own watersTheuniondivvie said:
Aren't Irish fishermen also EU fishermen? What specific side is Varadkar taking?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not really. There is an Irish specific fight going on between the Irish fishing industry and the Irish government who are taking the side of EU fishermen, inflaming anger in the 1.4 billion euros per annum industryTheuniondivvie said:
Big G has transposed the British/Scottish relationship with fishing wherein a tiny amount of the electorate & even tinier percentage of industrial output exerts a disproportionate influence on UK politics. I would be surprised if the same anomaly exists in Ireland.AlastairMeeks said:
Have you got any recent polling on the popularity of Irexit? Last time I saw the Irish were favouring staying in the EU by about 90% to 10%.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure I understand your point AlastairAlastairMeeks said:
Kudos to him, he used his position to try to get to meet Kylie Minogue.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Varadkar is in real crisis as he must answer the question what he does when the EU put in place their border on the 13th April post no dealCarlottaVance said:
In addition it may not be known here but he is in serious trouble with his fishermen
Furthermore, the IREXIT freedom party are growing and support the fishermen
I believe (as with the UK) that the EU is Ireland's main export market for seafood. What do Irish fishermen think should be done to protect that market?0 -
Not least because of the imminent VoNC from the drumbashers.dixiedean said:Am beginning to think passing TMs Deal may turn out to be the worst possible result for the government. All other scenarios, and blame can be deflected. In that one, you still have a fractured, resentful Party, with no one else to shoulder the responsibility.
And no solution to the blatant fact, we don't know what kind of future relationship we want.0 -
Hammond to propose May's deal plus a referendum0
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Why? Intelligence isn't a predictor of becoming a MP. Being a MP isn't a predictor for being intelligent (arguably given recent events it is a predictor of stupidity). Lammy has recently used the "white saviour" trope to criticise a real person, but the "white saviour" trope applies to fictional narratives, not real people: it's like criticizing a real person for not having a narrative arc or a poor soundtrack.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I doubt that a black man as stupid as Francois could have become an MP.Sean_F said:
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Holding up Mark Francois and David Lammy as equally ridiculous is the embodiment of white privilege.Sean_F said:
Compared to Mark Francois or David Lammy, she's the voice of reason (I accept, I'm not setting the bar high).Roger said:
It's the way you tell 'emSean_F said:
Nadine Dorries is one of the more sensible MP's on this issue.PeterMannion said:
What's Nadine Dorries got to do with it?AlastairMeeks said:
Because it would be awfully nice for the rest of us if, like, we didn't have chaos and disorder because some mutton-headed imbecile with a blue rosette couldn't compromise.Slackbladder said:
But why should Tories vote for something they don't want?AlastairMeeks said:
They could still have been voted for. Conservative MPs en masse decided to play ducks and drakes instead.Slackbladder said:
BUT THEY NEED THE WA...AlastairMeeks said:
That's simply not true. Both a Customs Union and Common Market 2.0 were available to vote for last night.Slackbladder said:
it's the only route if you beleive that Brexit should happen.
Sigh, this is like brick wall.
You don't need intelligence to become a MP. You need to get nominated for the party most likely to win in your constituency, and for that you need to fit the profile that the selectors want.
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Source?IanB2 said:Hammond to propose May's deal plus a referendum
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G, the EU did more for Scotland than London ever did, even with them siphoning off Scottish funds and giving away our fishing rights to get what they wanted for the south east.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I remember my late Father in law fighting tooth and nail against joining the EUmalcolmg said:
Bit like Scotland as London gave it away to help the south eastBig_G_NorthWales said:
I am not into the detail but the Irish Fisherman seem to be disadvantaged in their own watersTheuniondivvie said:
Aren't Irish fishermen also EU fishermen? What specific side is Varadkar taking?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not really. There is an Irish specific fight going on between the Irish fishing industry and the Irish government who are taking the side of EU fishermen, inflaming anger in the 1.4 billion euros per annum industryTheuniondivvie said:
Big G has transposed the British/Scottish relationship with fishing wherein a tiny amount of the electorate & even tinier percentage of industrial output exerts a disproportionate influence on UK politics. I would be surprised if the same anomaly exists in Ireland.AlastairMeeks said:
Have you got any recent polling on the popularity of Irexit? Last time I saw the Irish were favouring staying in the EU by about 90% to 10%.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure I understand your point AlastairAlastairMeeks said:
Kudos to him, he used his position to try to get to meet Kylie Minogue.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Varadkar is in real crisis as he must answer the question what he does when the EU put in place their border on the 13th April post no dealCarlottaVance said:
In addition it may not be known here but he is in serious trouble with his fishermen
Furthermore, the IREXIT freedom party are growing and support the fishermen
I believe (as with the UK) that the EU is Ireland's main export market for seafood. What do Irish fishermen think should be done to protect that market?
Would be in EU any day rather than UK.
I am hoping it is No Deal and we can get out of it and back into EU.0 -
TelegraphRichard_Nabavi said:
Source?IanB2 said:Hammond to propose May's deal plus a referendum
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Letwin Cooper are in cloud Cukoo landScott_P said:
Revoke will not get a majority IMO
Less than 6.1m support it0 -
ThanksIanB2 said:
TelegraphRichard_Nabavi said:
Source?IanB2 said:Hammond to propose May's deal plus a referendum
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It is not revoke. It is to stop no dealbigjohnowls said:
Letwin Cooper are in cloud Cukoo landScott_P said:
Revoke will not get a majority IMO
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Or rather blamed on Hammond and friends blocking more extensive and earlier preparations for it.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not at all, it will give them a boost. The chaos, job losses and bankruptcies will be blamed on it being the wrong kind of No Deal.dyedwoolie said:The good news if we no deal is it kills UKIP and Farages new party
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Not so sure the Fishermen would agree Malcmalcolmg said:
G, the EU did more for Scotland than London ever did, even with them siphoning off Scottish funds and giving away our fishing rights to get what they wanted for the south east.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I remember my late Father in law fighting tooth and nail against joining the EUmalcolmg said:
Bit like Scotland as London gave it away to help the south eastBig_G_NorthWales said:
I am not into the detail but the Irish Fisherman seem to be disadvantaged in their own watersTheuniondivvie said:
Aren't Irish fishermen also EU fishermen? What specific side is Varadkar taking?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not really. There is an Irish specific fight going on between the Irish fishing industry and the Irish government who are taking the side of EU fishermen, inflaming anger in the 1.4 billion euros per annum industryTheuniondivvie said:
Big G has transposed the British/Scottish relationship with fishing wherein a tiny amount of the electorate & even tinier percentage of industrial output exerts a disproportionate influence on UK politics. I would be surprised if the same anomaly exists in Ireland.AlastairMeeks said:
Have you got any recent polling on the popularity of Irexit? Last time I saw the Irish were favouring staying in the EU by about 90% to 10%.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure I understand your point AlastairAlastairMeeks said:
Kudos to him, he used his position to try to get to meet Kylie Minogue.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Varadkar is in real crisis as he must answer the question what he does when the EU put in place their border on the 13th April post no dealCarlottaVance said:
In addition it may not be known here but he is in serious trouble with his fishermen
Furthermore, the IREXIT freedom party are growing and support the fishermen
I believe (as with the UK) that the EU is Ireland's main export market for seafood. What do Irish fishermen think should be done to protect that market?
Would be in EU any day rather than UK.
I am hoping it is No Deal and we can get out of it and back into EU.0 -
Its funny how it was only going to be one day, then two, now a week....it is why it has set such a dangerous precedent.Scott_P said:0 -
It'll get through the Commons. Problem is the Lords, where there is no guillotine. It relies on the PM being willing to ask for the Legislation whilst the Bill is still in progress. Or the anti-Brexit majority in the Lords doing everything to counter the inevitable filibuster, sitting all night etc.bigjohnowls said:
Letwin Cooper are in cloud Cukoo landScott_P said:
Revoke will not get a majority IMO
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We are all also presuming that Macron doesn't throw a wobbler and says arhh f##k it, let the Brits eat (jaffa) cakes.NeilVW said:0 -
Afternoon all
Massively and completely off-topic !!!
As I am off work today, I have a large number of errands to run for Mrs Stodge but they took me to East Ham High Street so I thought I'd see what the impact of the change to the FOBT maximum stake from £100 to £2 was having.
As might have been expected, shops which had been busy with men playing the FOBTs are now deserted. While Paddy Power were showing the "virtual" Grand National at mid-morning (won by the 8/1 joint favourite so it's not perhaps the bookies' race everyone imagines though with TIGER ROLL at an insane 7/2 maybe it is) there was me and an old boy watching it with the FOBTs deserted and it was almost the same at Hills, Ladbrokes, Betfred and the other Paddy Power as well as Jennings.
Previously, every FOBT would be occupied from 8am to 10pm with a crowd round it - I suspect the "good times" for the High Street bookies are over but racing and the exchequer will also suffer as the gamblers will go online. According to the RP, despite months of publicity, a lot of the players didn't know or realise (or, to be honest, understand) the rules had changed.0 -
Its not as if the Government is doing anything useful with the time?FrancisUrquhart said:
Its funny how it was only going to be one day, then two, now a week....it is why it has set such a dangerous precedent.Scott_P said:0 -
The only way to stop No Deal by then will be RevokeBig_G_NorthWales said:
It is not revoke. It is to stop no dealbigjohnowls said:
Letwin Cooper are in cloud Cukoo landScott_P said:
Revoke will not get a majority IMO
Less than 6m support it
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It could also be in the form of binding May to ask for an extension ; Britain will then have to accept the EU demand, probably for an election.bigjohnowls said:
The only way to stop No Deal by then will be RevokeBig_G_NorthWales said:
It is not revoke. It is to stop no dealbigjohnowls said:
Letwin Cooper are in cloud Cukoo landScott_P said:
Revoke will not get a majority IMO
Less than 6m support it
As Tin Ears Deal is not passing
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The HOL can change the rules to stop a filibuster . That’s not the issue but refusing to revoke Article 50 as May might say isn’t really that controversial . I’m a Remainer and don’t suport revoke . Any decision to Remain has to go back to the people . MPs can’t just cancel it.IanB2 said:
It'll get through the Commons. Problem is the Lords, where there is no guillotine. It relies on the PM being willing to ask for the Legislation whilst the Bill is still in progress. Or the anti-Brexit majority in the Lords doing everything to counter the inevitable filibuster, sitting all night etc.bigjohnowls said:
Letwin Cooper are in cloud Cukoo landScott_P said:
Revoke will not get a majority IMO
Less than 6.1m support it0 -
Wow. Theresa's really intends to play Russian roulette with the British economy. I suppose the hope must be that she can pin some blame for the ensuing carnage on Jezza's intransigence. That's high risk though.NeilVW said:0 -
Exactly.bigjohnowls said:
The only way to stop No Deal by then will be RevokeBig_G_NorthWales said:
It is not revoke. It is to stop no dealbigjohnowls said:
Letwin Cooper are in cloud Cukoo landScott_P said:
Revoke will not get a majority IMO
Less than 6m support it
As Tin Ears Deal is not passing
I don't know if there is a book open on it, but revocation in the next fortnight ought to be a pretty low price.0 -
So far the EU has not bound us on what course of action we must take. They'd be wise to continue that tack.WhisperingOracle said:
It could also be in the form of binding May to ask for an extension ; Britain will then have to accept the EU demand, probably for an election.bigjohnowls said:
The only way to stop No Deal by then will be RevokeBig_G_NorthWales said:
It is not revoke. It is to stop no dealbigjohnowls said:
Letwin Cooper are in cloud Cukoo landScott_P said:
Revoke will not get a majority IMO
Less than 6m support it
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Is she also arranging her troop deployments to keep the Red Army away from the bunker?NeilVW said:0 -
No, that's not presuming anything. Macron has no say in a choice between No Deal and revoke.FrancisUrquhart said:
We are all also presuming that Macron doesn't throw a wobbler and says arhh f##k it, let the Brits eat (jaffa) cakes.NeilVW said:
Either, of course, would mean a very unhappy and even more divided Britain.0 -
Sorry yes you are right. I obviously thinking about pushing for this extension that Cooper/ Letwin etc are trying to do.Nigelb said:
No, that's not presuming anything. Macron has no say in a choice between No Deal and revoke.FrancisUrquhart said:
We are all also presuming that Macron doesn't throw a wobbler and says arhh f##k it, let the Brits eat (jaffa) cakes.NeilVW said:
Either, of course, would mean a very unhappy and even more divided Britain.0 -
The Bercow decision is huge . All 4 stages of the Bill in one day.0
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Hang on, IanB2 told us that was impossible?NeilVW said:
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