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Or to go totally down the rabbit hole that there is collusion but it ain't trumpMarqueeMark said:
Unless there isn't actually anything incriminating on Trump to leak....logical_song said:
You surely mean 'If' rather than 'When'.dyedwoolie said:
When Mueller comes up blank/only prosecutes a few process crimes, the continuing investigations are going to start looking decidedly iffy. And don't forget Trump still has to declassify details of the FISA requests to spy on him during the election which appear to be the basis of Mueller - the document paid for by Hillarys campaign.TGOHF said:
The Dems best chance is for Trump to agree not to stand in return for parking any investigation.dyedwoolie said:
That is certain imoHYUFD said:
Trump will be re elected then,dyedwoolie said:
Sanders is persona non grata with the establishment/money behind the Democrats which is why they bought it for hills in 2016. Biden will be dogged by insinuation.HYUFD said:I am afraid I disagree entirely with this header. If the Democrats want to beat Trump they have to win white blue collar voters in the rustbelt and swing states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
All the polling shows Biden is by far the best chance for them to do that followed to a lesser extent by Sanders. If they go with another elitist coastal liberal like Warren or Harris the Democrats will have learnt nothing from Hilary's defeat in 2016 when her winning huge majorities amongst college educated women and in the coastal states like New York and California did nothing to help her win the key Midwest states and they will likely lose the Electoral College again
Now I could be wrong, but I expect things to look very different by the end of this year, investigations can be conducted both ways
Mueller has been rather good at his job so far and the investigation has been remarkably leak-proof.
(Not saying that's the case. Just that it is possible. It certainly helps terrify witnesses if they THINK tha Mueller has dirt on the President that will drag them down too - unless they plea bargain.)
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I agree the reds and blues would do poorly in theoretical EU elections, not only because it's a risk-free way of hitting them and they're both incompetent, but also because the current political atmosphere is quite polarising. Even with halfway decent front benches, I think ardently pro- and anti-EU parties would punch above their weight.0
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Why is a night of entertainment (at no cost to the charity - it's paid for by the BBC) to raise money for a charity with a very low cost base, deeply problematic?TOPPING said:
That is a fair point. I must say I don't know Stace's oeuvre so I can't comment but yes I do remember clips during Strictly of her prancing off with a camera in combats.
But his broader point, ie Comic Relief is deeply problematic, is I believe valid.
Comic Relief really doesn't have the issues Oxfam and other relief agencies seem to have...0 -
It has not been proven to be very accurate, much of it is still unproven and debated, some details in it have proven to be accurateAndrew said:
It was - but before Trump became the candidate it was funded by conservatives.dyedwoolie said:
The fusion GPS/Steele dossier - which is confirmed to be conducted on behalf of fusions clients by Podesta etc
That dossier has also proven to be very accurate.0 -
As I stated on Monday - I would expect the TIGs to get 45%+ of the votes - as the default pro EU party and Farage's party to share the rest with Labour and the Tories. Even with a referendum scheduled for the autumn it would be a proxy referendum especially on the remain side..Morris_Dancer said:I agree the reds and blues would do poorly in theoretical EU elections, not only because it's a risk-free way of hitting them and they're both incompetent, but also because the current political atmosphere is quite polarising. Even with halfway decent front benches, I think ardently pro- and anti-EU parties would punch above their weight.
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There might be a broader point in there about Comic Relief, but his parents are Guyanese and he was born in the UK and went to Oxbridge. He thinks he can speak on behalf of poor Africans but just comes across as unhelpful and somewhat racist. If an important African figure made similar points I suspect they would find a more receptive audience.0
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The DNC emails proved to be very accurate too.Andrew said:
It was - but before Trump became the candidate it was funded by conservatives.dyedwoolie said:
The fusion GPS/Steele dossier - which is confirmed to be conducted on behalf of fusions clients by Podesta etc
That dossier has also proven to be very accurate.0 -
The other pro-Remain parties would have to be polling very low single figures, for TIG to win 45%.eek said:
As I stated on Monday - I would expect the TIGs to get 45%+ of the votes - as the default pro EU party and Farage's party to share the rest with Labour and the Tories. Even with a referendum scheduled for the autumn it would be a proxy referendum especially on the remain side..Morris_Dancer said:I agree the reds and blues would do poorly in theoretical EU elections, not only because it's a risk-free way of hitting them and they're both incompetent, but also because the current political atmosphere is quite polarising. Even with halfway decent front benches, I think ardently pro- and anti-EU parties would punch above their weight.
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Mr. Eek, not sure I'd make a guess that high, but I do think they'd stand a chance of topping the poll, as UKIP did.
Mr. Brom, I recall Lammy criticising the judge on the Grenfell Inquiry on the basis of his whiteness.0 -
Newport West prices, have at them...
Labour 1/7
Conservatives 9/2
Any Independent 16/1
UKIP 33/1
Plaid Cymru 50/1
The Brexit Party 100/1
Green 200/1
Liberal Democrats 200/1
https://www.bet365.com/#/AC/B5/C20633862/D1/E40799080/F2/0 -
What over pro-Remain parties? For most voters the only option would be the Lib Dems and with no chances of winning a seat I suspect even their usual voters will want to make an obvious stand. Granted things would be different in Scotland as the SNP are a remain party..Sean_F said:
The other pro-Remain parties would have to be polling very low single figures, for TIG to win 45%.eek said:
As I stated on Monday - I would expect the TIGs to get 45%+ of the votes - as the default pro EU party and Farage's party to share the rest with Labour and the Tories. Even with a referendum scheduled for the autumn it would be a proxy referendum especially on the remain side..Morris_Dancer said:I agree the reds and blues would do poorly in theoretical EU elections, not only because it's a risk-free way of hitting them and they're both incompetent, but also because the current political atmosphere is quite polarising. Even with halfway decent front benches, I think ardently pro- and anti-EU parties would punch above their weight.
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Maybe but plenty of white people have made similar points, Paul Collier for example, whose notable book (The Bottom Billion) castigates the west for imposing solutions on Africa and then goes on to...impose solutions on (or make suggestions for) Africa.Brom said:There might be a broader point in there about Comic Relief, but his parents are Guyanese and he was born in the UK and went to Oxbridge. He thinks he can speak on behalf of poor Africans but just comes across as unhelpful and somewhat racist. If an important African figure made similar points I suspect they would find a more receptive audience.
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I don't like to state future events will or will not happen but that seems very unlikely to me.Sean_F said:
The other pro-Remain parties would have to be polling very low single figures, for TIG to win 45%.eek said:
As I stated on Monday - I would expect the TIGs to get 45%+ of the votes - as the default pro EU party and Farage's party to share the rest with Labour and the Tories. Even with a referendum scheduled for the autumn it would be a proxy referendum especially on the remain side..Morris_Dancer said:I agree the reds and blues would do poorly in theoretical EU elections, not only because it's a risk-free way of hitting them and they're both incompetent, but also because the current political atmosphere is quite polarising. Even with halfway decent front benches, I think ardently pro- and anti-EU parties would punch above their weight.
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Same question to you - would you pay off Al Shabab in guns and supplies in order to feed IDPs in the refugee camp they had control over?eek said:
Why is a night of entertainment (at no cost to the charity - it's paid for by the BBC) to raise money for a charity with a very low cost base, deeply problematic?TOPPING said:
That is a fair point. I must say I don't know Stace's oeuvre so I can't comment but yes I do remember clips during Strictly of her prancing off with a camera in combats.
But his broader point, ie Comic Relief is deeply problematic, is I believe valid.
Comic Relief really doesn't have the issues Oxfam and other relief agencies seem to have...0 -
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Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Greens and Plaid Cymru.eek said:
What over pro-Remain parties? For most voters the only option would be the Lib Dems and with no chances of winning a seat I suspect even their usual voters will want to make an obvious stand. Granted things would be different in Scotland as the SNP are a remain party..Sean_F said:
The other pro-Remain parties would have to be polling very low single figures, for TIG to win 45%.eek said:
As I stated on Monday - I would expect the TIGs to get 45%+ of the votes - as the default pro EU party and Farage's party to share the rest with Labour and the Tories. Even with a referendum scheduled for the autumn it would be a proxy referendum especially on the remain side..Morris_Dancer said:I agree the reds and blues would do poorly in theoretical EU elections, not only because it's a risk-free way of hitting them and they're both incompetent, but also because the current political atmosphere is quite polarising. Even with halfway decent front benches, I think ardently pro- and anti-EU parties would punch above their weight.
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Why on earth would the TIGs get 45% of the vote as the pro-EU party when the Lib Dems (in their guise as the SDP/Liberals) as the default EU party never got above 18.5%?eek said:
As I stated on Monday - I would expect the TIGs to get 45%+ of the votes - as the default pro EU party and Farage's party to share the rest with Labour and the Tories. Even with a referendum scheduled for the autumn it would be a proxy referendum especially on the remain side..Morris_Dancer said:I agree the reds and blues would do poorly in theoretical EU elections, not only because it's a risk-free way of hitting them and they're both incompetent, but also because the current political atmosphere is quite polarising. Even with halfway decent front benches, I think ardently pro- and anti-EU parties would punch above their weight.
If it did come to EU elections I would be amazed to see the TIGs get more than 15%0 -
Not feeding people in the camp results in people dying now.TOPPING said:
Same question to you - would you pay off Al Shabab in guns and supplies in order to feed IDPs in the refugee camp they had control over?eek said:
Why is a night of entertainment (at no cost to the charity - it's paid for by the BBC) to raise money for a charity with a very low cost base, deeply problematic?TOPPING said:
That is a fair point. I must say I don't know Stace's oeuvre so I can't comment but yes I do remember clips during Strictly of her prancing off with a camera in combats.
But his broader point, ie Comic Relief is deeply problematic, is I believe valid.
Comic Relief really doesn't have the issues Oxfam and other relief agencies seem to have...
Giving guns to people may result in deaths later (but it's possible it may not).
That's a moral / ethical question with no easy answer and the fact you think there is an easy answer probably says more about you than it does about Comic Relief...0 -
And the idea stolen from one of the people on Politics Live today.Scott_P said:0 -
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D'oh!!! It is precisely because there is no easy answer that I believe Comic Relief is flawed! Did I say what I thought the answer was?eek said:
Not feeding people in the camp results in people dying now.TOPPING said:
Same question to you - would you pay off Al Shabab in guns and supplies in order to feed IDPs in the refugee camp they had control over?eek said:
Why is a night of entertainment (at no cost to the charity - it's paid for by the BBC) to raise money for a charity with a very low cost base, deeply problematic?TOPPING said:
That is a fair point. I must say I don't know Stace's oeuvre so I can't comment but yes I do remember clips during Strictly of her prancing off with a camera in combats.
But his broader point, ie Comic Relief is deeply problematic, is I believe valid.
Comic Relief really doesn't have the issues Oxfam and other relief agencies seem to have...
Giving guns to people may result in deaths later.
That's a moral / ethical question with no easy answer and the fact you think there is an easy answer probably says more about you than it does about Comic Relief...
What if the proceeds of Comic Relief went to Al Shabab, thereby saving the lives of some IDPs. Is that what Stacey Dooley is asking for?
Edit: I need a basic level of intelligence from people if I'm going to debate with them on PB. You so far have failed that test.0 -
A couple of decades ago I was university RAG committee treasurer. We decided that, as we had done before, we should only work with mostly smaller UK charities, and shouldn't send any money overseas.eek said:
Why is a night of entertainment (at no cost to the charity - it's paid for by the BBC) to raise money for a charity with a very low cost base, deeply problematic?TOPPING said:
That is a fair point. I must say I don't know Stace's oeuvre so I can't comment but yes I do remember clips during Strictly of her prancing off with a camera in combats.
But his broader point, ie Comic Relief is deeply problematic, is I believe valid.
Comic Relief really doesn't have the issues Oxfam and other relief agencies seem to have...
The one exception we made was for the Comic Relief Appeal. They were very open with their finances and had a fraction of the admin costs of the likes of Oxfam or World Vision. The BBC telethon provided a huge amount of free fundraising publicity, and most of the 'celebrity' visitors to Africa had paid their own way there. They had a tiny permanent staff in the UK, outside the BBC team.0 -
As others have suggested here before, more evidence that Texas could be a real battleground next time round:
https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/11011257712954081280 -
So he uses the word west and not white ?TOPPING said:
Maybe but plenty of white people have made similar points, Paul Collier for example, whose notable book (The Bottom Billion) castigates the west for imposing solutions on Africa and then goes on to...impose solutions on (or make suggestions for) Africa.Brom said:There might be a broader point in there about Comic Relief, but his parents are Guyanese and he was born in the UK and went to Oxbridge. He thinks he can speak on behalf of poor Africans but just comes across as unhelpful and somewhat racist. If an important African figure made similar points I suspect they would find a more receptive audience.
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@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/0 -
Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, SNP, Plaid, Polish Pride.eek said:
What over pro-Remain parties? For most voters the only option would be the Lib Dems and with no chances of winning a seat I suspect even their usual voters will want to make an obvious stand. Granted things would be different in Scotland as the SNP are a remain party..Sean_F said:
The other pro-Remain parties would have to be polling very low single figures, for TIG to win 45%.eek said:
As I stated on Monday - I would expect the TIGs to get 45%+ of the votes - as the default pro EU party and Farage's party to share the rest with Labour and the Tories. Even with a referendum scheduled for the autumn it would be a proxy referendum especially on the remain side..Morris_Dancer said:I agree the reds and blues would do poorly in theoretical EU elections, not only because it's a risk-free way of hitting them and they're both incompetent, but also because the current political atmosphere is quite polarising. Even with halfway decent front benches, I think ardently pro- and anti-EU parties would punch above their weight.
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yep I get that but it is shorthand. I can live with it.Tykejohnno said:
So he uses the word west and not white ?TOPPING said:
Maybe but plenty of white people have made similar points, Paul Collier for example, whose notable book (The Bottom Billion) castigates the west for imposing solutions on Africa and then goes on to...impose solutions on (or make suggestions for) Africa.Brom said:There might be a broader point in there about Comic Relief, but his parents are Guyanese and he was born in the UK and went to Oxbridge. He thinks he can speak on behalf of poor Africans but just comes across as unhelpful and somewhat racist. If an important African figure made similar points I suspect they would find a more receptive audience.
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If Texas is very close, then its an absolute landslide for the Dems.Andrew said:As others have suggested here before, more evidence that Texas could be a real battleground next time round:
https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/11011257712954081280 -
Live Aid isn't Comic Relief. Equally 1985 is not 2019....TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/
On your final point in your previous comment you seem unable to recognise who is getting facts confused, who is claiming one charity (Live Aid) is actually another (Comic Relief) and posts without checking / suitable evidence to back up their facts.
Equally I don't think I'm the first person to call you out on those issues.0 -
Likely the first of many, although to be honest the payroll has held together pretty well so far.Tissue_Price said:0 -
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To be fair his letter and his stated reasons for resigning are very reasonable.Sandpit said:
Likely the first of many, although to be honest the payroll has held together pretty well so far.Tissue_Price said:0 -
There's something that almost all this analysis misses:
It is highly likely the Democrats will end up with a brokered convention.
Why?
Three reasons:
1. It's a very large field,
2. The Dem's primaries are practically all proportionate, with very few caucuses.
3. California and Texas - the largest two states in the US - are both on Super Tuesday.
This means that there will be a lot of candidates who have significant numbers of delegates, even though they won't have a chance of winning. If Beto runs, he's likely to do very well in Texas. And I have little doubt Kamala Harris will do well in California. Even if these guys flop in every other state, they will have substantial delegate counts on March 3rd.
This has a number of consequences. Firstly, if you're offered better than evens on a brokered convention, go for it. Secondly, ask yourself who is a benefit of "transfers". Hint: it's not Sanders. The establishment Democrats who would benefit would probably be Biden (former VP) and/or one of the female Senators (Harris/Kloboucher/Gillibrand).0 -
What are you talking about? Jeez. Did people know in 1985 that they were supporting Mengistu? Do you know who Comic Relief is actually supporting when they are sending money to Africa? Does Stacey Dooley?eek said:
Live Aid isn't Comic Relief. Equally 1985 is not 2019....TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/
On your final point in your previous comment you seem unable to recognise who is getting facts confused, who is claiming one charity (Live Aid) is actually another (Comic Relief) and posts without checking / suitable evidence to back up their facts.
Equally I don't think I'm the first person to call you out on those issues.
There are several issues here - first, the "white man's burden" issue of white people (yes @Tykejohnno they have historically been white), or the West, imposing a solution and "saving" Africa because of course the Africans are wholly unable to do so themselves, right? The second issue is that of the one above. We don't know where the money is going to and if, say, there is an African country that "needs reform" then sending money to them to alleviate any domestic suffering is removing the onus on that government to do so (cf. the resource curse).
Actually why the fuck am I bothering talking to you as you fundamentally misunderstand the issues under discussion.0 -
Absolutely. It’s human nature that as things come to the crunch, there will be some ministers who profoundly disagree with the course being taken. While the PM and the whips have done a good job of being ambiguous enough to keep people mostly happy so far, it’s inevitable a few will choose to resign - probably on both sides of the Brexit debateTissue_Price said:
To be fair his letter and his stated reasons for resigning are very reasonable.Sandpit said:
Likely the first of many, although to be honest the payroll has held together pretty well so far.Tissue_Price said:0 -
And, Texas is close if Trump retains current levels of popularity. If his popularity were to rise. (or his Democratic opponent were to make him look good by comparison) then Texas will not be close.Pulpstar said:
If Texas is very close, then its an absolute landslide for the Dems.Andrew said:As others have suggested here before, more evidence that Texas could be a real battleground next time round:
https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/11011257712954081280 -
Anyone who thinks that Britain is not already free can safely be consigned to the category of nutjob.Sandpit said:
Absolutely. It’s human nature that as things come to the crunch, there will be some ministers who profoundly disagree with the course being taken. While the PM and the whips have done a good job of being ambiguous enough to keep people mostly happy so far, it’s inevitable a few will choose to resign - probably on both sides of the Brexit debateTissue_Price said:
To be fair his letter and his stated reasons for resigning are very reasonable.Sandpit said:
Likely the first of many, although to be honest the payroll has held together pretty well so far.Tissue_Price said:0 -
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It reads very reasonably until he talks about reclaiming our freedom, which is an absurd view of our voluntary membership of a Union of European nations.Tissue_Price said:
To be fair his letter and his stated reasons for resigning are very reasonable.Sandpit said:
Likely the first of many, although to be honest the payroll has held together pretty well so far.Tissue_Price said:0 -
A Telegraph piece seems to suggest Zenawi's then rebels benefitted from Live Aid. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/ethiopia/7359324/Millions-of-Ethiopian-famine-aid-used-to-buy-weapons.htmlTOPPING said:
What are you talking about? Jeez. Did people know in 1985 that they were supporting Mengistu? Do you know who Comic Relief is actually supporting when they are sending money to Africa? Does Stacey Dooley?eek said:
Live Aid isn't Comic Relief. Equally 1985 is not 2019....TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/
On your final point in your previous comment you seem unable to recognise who is getting facts confused, who is claiming one charity (Live Aid) is actually another (Comic Relief) and posts without checking / suitable evidence to back up their facts.
Equally I don't think I'm the first person to call you out on those issues.
There are several issues here - first, the "white man's burden" issue of white people (yes @Tykejohnno they have historically been white), or the West, imposing a solution and "saving" Africa because of course the Africans are wholly unable to do so themselves, right? The second issue is that of the one above. We don't know where the money is going to and if, say, there is an African country that "needs reform" then sending money to them to alleviate any domestic suffering is removing the onus on that government to do so (cf. the resource curse).
Actually why the fuck am I bothering talking to you as you fundamentally misunderstand the issues under discussion.
Of course its possible both sides were able to arm up from the $$..0 -
I have no doubt - but don't tell Sir Bob that.Pulpstar said:
A Telegraph piece seems to suggest Zenawi's then rebels benefitted from Live Aid. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/ethiopia/7359324/Millions-of-Ethiopian-famine-aid-used-to-buy-weapons.htmlTOPPING said:
What are you talking about? Jeez. Did people know in 1985 that they were supporting Mengistu? Do you know who Comic Relief is actually supporting when they are sending money to Africa? Does Stacey Dooley?eek said:
Live Aid isn't Comic Relief. Equally 1985 is not 2019....TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/
On your final point in your previous comment you seem unable to recognise who is getting facts confused, who is claiming one charity (Live Aid) is actually another (Comic Relief) and posts without checking / suitable evidence to back up their facts.
Equally I don't think I'm the first person to call you out on those issues.
There are several issues here - first, the "white man's burden" issue of white people (yes @Tykejohnno they have historically been white), or the West, imposing a solution and "saving" Africa because of course the Africans are wholly unable to do so themselves, right? The second issue is that of the one above. We don't know where the money is going to and if, say, there is an African country that "needs reform" then sending money to them to alleviate any domestic suffering is removing the onus on that government to do so (cf. the resource curse).
Actually why the fuck am I bothering talking to you as you fundamentally misunderstand the issues under discussion.
Of course its possible both sides were able to arm up from the $$..
(or @eek!)0 -
Being prepared to walk away/walking away is a big part of The Art Of The Deal?Scott_P said:0 -
Actually, I don't know why anybody bothers the fuck talking to you. Along with Dura Ace, you are the most certain, intemperate, squaddy-mouthed "contributors" on here. Both ex-military, it's as though you have a problem with people not taking orders.TOPPING said:
What are you talking about? Jeez. Did people know in 1985 that they were supporting Mengistu? Do you know who Comic Relief is actually supporting when they are sending money to Africa? Does Stacey Dooley?eek said:
Live Aid isn't Comic Relief. Equally 1985 is not 2019....TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/
On your final point in your previous comment you seem unable to recognise who is getting facts confused, who is claiming one charity (Live Aid) is actually another (Comic Relief) and posts without checking / suitable evidence to back up their facts.
Equally I don't think I'm the first person to call you out on those issues.
There are several issues here - first, the "white man's burden" issue of white people (yes @Tykejohnno they have historically been white), or the West, imposing a solution and "saving" Africa because of course the Africans are wholly unable to do so themselves, right? The second issue is that of the one above. We don't know where the money is going to and if, say, there is an African country that "needs reform" then sending money to them to alleviate any domestic suffering is removing the onus on that government to do so (cf. the resource curse).
Actually why the fuck am I bothering talking to you as you fundamentally misunderstand the issues under discussion.
Your orders.
Hint. You're on Civvy Street. The days of people giving a damn about you ended when you stopped having an SLR to back up your "arguments".....0 -
+1. I'm bored having to explain that we do have sovereignty, or how the fuck did we manage to have an in/out referendum and go to war in Iraq etc. without Brussels agreeing? The sovereignty argument is one of the biggest lies Leave advocates perpetrated on a gullible publicAlastairMeeks said:
Anyone who thinks that Britain is not already free can safely be consigned to the category of nutjob.Sandpit said:
Absolutely. It’s human nature that as things come to the crunch, there will be some ministers who profoundly disagree with the course being taken. While the PM and the whips have done a good job of being ambiguous enough to keep people mostly happy so far, it’s inevitable a few will choose to resign - probably on both sides of the Brexit debateTissue_Price said:
To be fair his letter and his stated reasons for resigning are very reasonable.Sandpit said:
Likely the first of many, although to be honest the payroll has held together pretty well so far.Tissue_Price said:0 -
The final humiliation? haha! What a plonker. The nutjobs have ensured we will be humiliated again and again for years to comewilliamglenn said:0 -
The SLR was before my time, grandad. Fine. Stop talking to me. Bliss. The fewer dolts whom I have to waste time on the better.MarqueeMark said:
Actually, I don't know why anybody bothers the fuck talking to you. Along with Dura Ace, you are the most certain, intemperate, squaddy-mouthed "contributors" on here. Both ex-military, it's as though you have a problem with people not taking orders.TOPPING said:
What are you talking about? Jeez. Did people know in 1985 that they were supporting Mengistu? Do you know who Comic Relief is actually supporting when they are sending money to Africa? Does Stacey Dooley?eek said:
Live Aid isn't Comic Relief. Equally 1985 is not 2019....TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/
On your final point in your previous comment you seem unable to recognise who is getting facts confused, who is claiming one charity (Live Aid) is actually another (Comic Relief) and posts without checking / suitable evidence to back up their facts.
Equally I don't think I'm the first person to call you out on those issues.
There are several issues here - first, the "white man's burden" issue of white people (yes @Tykejohnno they have historically been white), or the West, imposing a solution and "saving" Africa because of course the Africans are wholly unable to do so themselves, right? The second issue is that of the one above. We don't know where the money is going to and if, say, there is an African country that "needs reform" then sending money to them to alleviate any domestic suffering is removing the onus on that government to do so (cf. the resource curse).
Actually why the fuck am I bothering talking to you as you fundamentally misunderstand the issues under discussion.
Your orders.
Hint. You're on Civvy Street. The days of people giving a damn about you ended when you stopped having an SLR to back up your "arguments".....0 -
48-41 is a pretty comfortable Republican win in the Electoral College whereas 46-45 would point to a Dem win nationally. Therein lies the problemPulpstar said:
If Texas is very close, then its an absolute landslide for the Dems.Andrew said:As others have suggested here before, more evidence that Texas could be a real battleground next time round:
https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/11011257712954081280 -
Well, that bit's overblown. But the important message is that he's still prepared to vote for the WA.OblitusSumMe said:
It reads very reasonably until he talks about reclaiming our freedom, which is an absurd view of our voluntary membership of a Union of European nations.Tissue_Price said:
To be fair his letter and his stated reasons for resigning are very reasonable.Sandpit said:
Likely the first of many, although to be honest the payroll has held together pretty well so far.Tissue_Price said:0 -
I think it was more of a comment on the supposed message of the cartoon.Nigel_Foremain said:0 -
Indeed. Slowly but surely with much kicking and screaming along the way is this starting to move in Theresa's direction?Tissue_Price said:
Well, that bit's overblown. But the important message is that he's still prepared to vote for the WA.OblitusSumMe said:
It reads very reasonably until he talks about reclaiming our freedom, which is an absurd view of our voluntary membership of a Union of European nations.Tissue_Price said:
To be fair his letter and his stated reasons for resigning are very reasonable.Sandpit said:
Likely the first of many, although to be honest the payroll has held together pretty well so far.Tissue_Price said:
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These are carefully stage managed shots across the bows of the PM by the ERG. And why not - it worked for the Ruddy Remainers.Sandpit said:
Absolutely. It’s human nature that as things come to the crunch, there will be some ministers who profoundly disagree with the course being taken. While the PM and the whips have done a good job of being ambiguous enough to keep people mostly happy so far, it’s inevitable a few will choose to resign - probably on both sides of the Brexit debateTissue_Price said:
To be fair his letter and his stated reasons for resigning are very reasonable.Sandpit said:
Likely the first of many, although to be honest the payroll has held together pretty well so far.Tissue_Price said:0 -
Which I think Nigel knew...RobD said:
I think it was more of a comment on the supposed message of the cartoon.Nigel_Foremain said:
But he just wanted to have a rant about something which is fine!
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What an unpleasant post. These idiots that claim to be patriotic because they voted for Putin's Brexit, and then slagging people off who have actually worn the Queen's uniform! Wanker doesn't sum it up sufficiently.MarqueeMark said:
Actually, I don't know why anybody bothers the fuck talking to you. Along with Dura Ace, you are the most certain, intemperate, squaddy-mouthed "contributors" on here. Both ex-military, it's as though you have a problem with people not taking orders.TOPPING said:
What are you talking about? Jeez. Did people know in 1985 that they were supporting Mengistu? Do you know who Comic Relief is actually supporting when they are sending money to Africa? Does Stacey Dooley?eek said:
Live Aid isn't Comic Relief. Equally 1985 is not 2019....TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/
On your final point in your previous comment you seem unable to recognise who is getting facts confused, who is claiming one charity (Live Aid) is actually another (Comic Relief) and posts without checking / suitable evidence to back up their facts.
Equally I don't think I'm the first person to call you out on those issues.
There are several issues here - first, the "white man's burden" issue of white people (yes @Tykejohnno they have historically been white), or the West, imposing a solution and "saving" Africa because of course the Africans are wholly unable to do so themselves, right? The second issue is that of the one above. We don't know where the money is going to and if, say, there is an African country that "needs reform" then sending money to them to alleviate any domestic suffering is removing the onus on that government to do so (cf. the resource curse).
Actually why the fuck am I bothering talking to you as you fundamentally misunderstand the issues under discussion.
Your orders.
Hint. You're on Civvy Street. The days of people giving a damn about you ended when you stopped having an SLR to back up your "arguments".....0 -
That is probably because you are too dumb to understand what the word means. Which I suspect derives from you not actually caring.Nigel_Foremain said:
+1. I'm bored having to explain that we do have sovereignty, or how the fuck did we manage to have an in/out referendum and go to war in Iraq etc. without Brussels agreeing? The sovereignty argument is one of the biggest lies Leave advocates perpetrated on a gullible publicAlastairMeeks said:
Anyone who thinks that Britain is not already free can safely be consigned to the category of nutjob.Sandpit said:
Absolutely. It’s human nature that as things come to the crunch, there will be some ministers who profoundly disagree with the course being taken. While the PM and the whips have done a good job of being ambiguous enough to keep people mostly happy so far, it’s inevitable a few will choose to resign - probably on both sides of the Brexit debateTissue_Price said:
To be fair his letter and his stated reasons for resigning are very reasonable.Sandpit said:
Likely the first of many, although to be honest the payroll has held together pretty well so far.Tissue_Price said:
"The power that a country has to govern itself, without any interference from outside sources or bodies"
Just because we are able to do the things you mention does not mean we are sovereign since there are many other areas where we have given up those powers to the EU.
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OK it's all getting too nasty for me in here. Time to check out for now. 0
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He (Dura Ace) is also regularly wrong on those things he claims to be an authority on. My good friend and neighbour who just retired as a squadron leader a couple of months ago regularly comes in to sit and laugh over a cuppa at some of the claims Dura Ace makes.MarqueeMark said:
Actually, I don't know why anybody bothers the fuck talking to you. Along with Dura Ace, you are the most certain, intemperate, squaddy-mouthed "contributors" on here. Both ex-military, it's as though you have a problem with people not taking orders.TOPPING said:
What are you talking about? Jeez. Did people know in 1985 that they were supporting Mengistu? Do you know who Comic Relief is actually supporting when they are sending money to Africa? Does Stacey Dooley?eek said:
Live Aid isn't Comic Relief. Equally 1985 is not 2019....TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/
On your final point in your previous comment you seem unable to recognise who is getting facts confused, who is claiming one charity (Live Aid) is actually another (Comic Relief) and posts without checking / suitable evidence to back up their facts.
Equally I don't think I'm the first person to call you out on those issues.
There are several issues here - first, the "white man's burden" issue of white people (yes @Tykejohnno they have historically been white), or the West, imposing a solution and "saving" Africa because of course the Africans are wholly unable to do so themselves, right? The second issue is that of the one above. We don't know where the money is going to and if, say, there is an African country that "needs reform" then sending money to them to alleviate any domestic suffering is removing the onus on that government to do so (cf. the resource curse).
Actually why the fuck am I bothering talking to you as you fundamentally misunderstand the issues under discussion.
Your orders.
Hint. You're on Civvy Street. The days of people giving a damn about you ended when you stopped having an SLR to back up your "arguments".....0 -
And they'll be criticising Corbyn for not wearing a large enough poppy next October.Nigel_Foremain said:
What an unpleasant post. These idiots that claim to be patriotic because they voted for Putin's Brexit, and then slagging people off who have actually worn the Queen's uniform! Wanker doesn't sum it up sufficiently.MarqueeMark said:
Actually, I don't know why anybody bothers the fuck talking to you. Along with Dura Ace, you are the most certain, intemperate, squaddy-mouthed "contributors" on here. Both ex-military, it's as though you have a problem with people not taking orders.TOPPING said:
What are you talking about? Jeez. Did people know in 1985 that they were supporting Mengistu? Do you know who Comic Relief is actually supporting when they are sending money to Africa? Does Stacey Dooley?eek said:
Live Aid isn't Comic Relief. Equally 1985 is not 2019....TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/
On your final point in your previous comment you seem unable to recognise who is getting facts confused, who is claiming one charity (Live Aid) is actually another (Comic Relief) and posts without checking / suitable evidence to back up their facts.
Equally I don't think I'm the first person to call you out on those issues.
There are several issues here - first, the "white man's burden" issue of white people (yes @Tykejohnno they have historically been white), or the West, imposing a solution and "saving" Africa because of course the Africans are wholly unable to do so themselves, right? The second issue is that of the one above. We don't know where the money is going to and if, say, there is an African country that "needs reform" then sending money to them to alleviate any domestic suffering is removing the onus on that government to do so (cf. the resource curse).
Actually why the fuck am I bothering talking to you as you fundamentally misunderstand the issues under discussion.
Your orders.
Hint. You're on Civvy Street. The days of people giving a damn about you ended when you stopped having an SLR to back up your "arguments".....0 -
Is he ex military? It's a claim often made on internet forums.MarqueeMark said:
Actually, I don't know why anybody bothers the fuck talking to you. Along with Dura Ace, you are the most certain, intemperate, squaddy-mouthed "contributors" on here. Both ex-military, it's as though you have a problem with people not taking orders.TOPPING said:
What are you talking about? Jeez. Did people know in 1985 that they were supporting Mengistu? Do you know who Comic Relief is actually supporting when they are sending money to Africa? Does Stacey Dooley?eek said:
Live Aid isn't Comic Relief. Equally 1985 is not 2019....TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/
On your final point in your previous comment you seem unable to recognise who is getting facts confused, who is claiming one charity (Live Aid) is actually another (Comic Relief) and posts without checking / suitable evidence to back up their facts.
Equally I don't think I'm the first person to call you out on those issues.
There are several issues here - first, the "white man's burden" issue of white people (yes @Tykejohnno they have historically been white), or the West, imposing a solution and "saving" Africa because of course the Africans are wholly unable to do so themselves, right? The second issue is that of the one above. We don't know where the money is going to and if, say, there is an African country that "needs reform" then sending money to them to alleviate any domestic suffering is removing the onus on that government to do so (cf. the resource curse).
Actually why the fuck am I bothering talking to you as you fundamentally misunderstand the issues under discussion.
Your orders.
Hint. You're on Civvy Street. The days of people giving a damn about you ended when you stopped having an SLR to back up your "arguments".....0 -
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To counter the grumpy atmosphere, here's a splendid video about Hannibal to enjoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yua17eOTKYY0 -
Showing your complete lack of understanding again. You are reasonably articulate for the average person that supports UKIP/EDL/BNP, but the bar isn't that high. The sovereignty was pooled in the same way we do with NATO and UN ... the fact that we are at liberty to pull out demonstrates we (and the other 27) are sovereign...oh why am I bothering, you are so dumb it is really not worth it. Go and do some goosestepping and maybe try and support another part of Putin's foreign policy.Richard_Tyndall said:
That is probably because you are too dumb to understand what the word means. Which I suspect derives from you not actually caring.Nigel_Foremain said:
+1. I'm bored having to explain that we do have sovereignty, or how the fuck did we manage to have an in/out referendum and go to war in Iraq etc. without Brussels agreeing? The sovereignty argument is one of the biggest lies Leave advocates perpetrated on a gullible publicAlastairMeeks said:
Anyone who thinks that Britain is not already free can safely be consigned to the category of nutjob.Sandpit said:
Absolutely. It’s human nature that as things come to the crunch, there will be some ministers who profoundly disagree with the course being taken. While the PM and the whips have done a good job of being ambiguous enough to keep people mostly happy so far, it’s inevitable a few will choose to resign - probably on both sides of the Brexit debateTissue_Price said:
To be fair his letter and his stated reasons for resigning are very reasonable.Sandpit said:
Likely the first of many, although to be honest the payroll has held together pretty well so far.Tissue_Price said:
"The power that a country has to govern itself, without any interference from outside sources or bodies"
Just because we are able to do the things you mention does not mean we are sovereign since there are many other areas where we have given up those powers to the EU.0 -
Get back here you filthy coward!GIN1138 said:OK it's all getting too nasty for me in here. Time to check out for now.
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And I won gold in the 110m hurdles at the Beijing Olympics.Ishmael_Z said:
Is he ex military? It's a claim often made on internet forums.MarqueeMark said:
Actually, I don't know why anybody bothers the fuck talking to you. Along with Dura Ace, you are the most certain, intemperate, squaddy-mouthed "contributors" on here. Both ex-military, it's as though you have a problem with people not taking orders.TOPPING said:
What are you talking about? Jeez. Did people know in 1985 that they were supporting Mengistu? Do you know who Comic Relief is actually supporting when they are sending money to Africa? Does Stacey Dooley?eek said:
Live Aid isn't Comic Relief. Equally 1985 is not 2019....TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/
On your final point in your previous comment you seem unable to recognise who is getting facts confused, who is claiming one charity (Live Aid) is actually another (Comic Relief) and posts without checking / suitable evidence to back up their facts.
Equally I don't think I'm the first person to call you out on those issues.
There are several issues here - first, the "white man's burden" issue of white people (yes @Tykejohnno they have historically been white), or the West, imposing a solution and "saving" Africa because of course the Africans are wholly unable to do so themselves, right? The second issue is that of the one above. We don't know where the money is going to and if, say, there is an African country that "needs reform" then sending money to them to alleviate any domestic suffering is removing the onus on that government to do so (cf. the resource curse).
Actually why the fuck am I bothering talking to you as you fundamentally misunderstand the issues under discussion.
Your orders.
Hint. You're on Civvy Street. The days of people giving a damn about you ended when you stopped having an SLR to back up your "arguments".....0 -
And I thought you were Lord Lucan....TOPPING said:
And I won gold in the 110m hurdles at the Beijing Olympics.Ishmael_Z said:
Is he ex military? It's a claim often made on internet forums.MarqueeMark said:
Actually, I don't know why anybody bothers the fuck talking to you. Along with Dura Ace, you are the most certain, intemperate, squaddy-mouthed "contributors" on here. Both ex-military, it's as though you have a problem with people not taking orders.TOPPING said:
What are you talking about? Jeez. Did people know in 1985 that they were supporting Mengistu? Do you know who Comic Relief is actually supporting when they are sending money to Africa? Does Stacey Dooley?eek said:
Live Aid isn't Comic Relief. Equally 1985 is not 2019....TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/
On your final point in your previous comment you seem unable to recognise who is getting facts confused, who is claiming one charity (Live Aid) is actually another (Comic Relief) and posts without checking / suitable evidence to back up their facts.
Equally I don't think I'm the first person to call you out on those issues.
There are several issues here - first, the "white man's burden" issue of white people (yes @Tykejohnno they have historically been white), or the West, imposing a solution and "saving" Africa because of course the Africans are wholly unable to do so themselves, right? The second issue is that of the one above. We don't know where the money is going to and if, say, there is an African country that "needs reform" then sending money to them to alleviate any domestic suffering is removing the onus on that government to do so (cf. the resource curse).
Actually why the fuck am I bothering talking to you as you fundamentally misunderstand the issues under discussion.
Your orders.
Hint. You're on Civvy Street. The days of people giving a damn about you ended when you stopped having an SLR to back up your "arguments".....0 -
It'll be a shock to Tyndall when North Korea eventually joins the international community and thereby ceases to be perhaps the last remaining "sovereign" country.Nigel_Foremain said:
Showing your complete lack of understanding again. You are reasonably articulate for the average person that supports UKIP/EDL/BNP, but the bar isn't that high. The sovereignty was pooled in the same way we do with NATO and UN ... the fact that we are at liberty to pull out demonstrates we (and the other 27) are sovereign...oh why am I bothering, you are so dumb it is really not worth it. Go and do some goosestepping and maybe try and support another part of Putin's foreign policy.Richard_Tyndall said:
That is probably because you are too dumb to understand what the word means. Which I suspect derives from you not actually caring.Nigel_Foremain said:
+1. I'm bored having to explain that we do have sovereignty, or how the fuck did we manage to have an in/out referendum and go to war in Iraq etc. without Brussels agreeing? The sovereignty argument is one of the biggest lies Leave advocates perpetrated on a gullible publicAlastairMeeks said:
Anyone who thinks that Britain is not already free can safely be consigned to the category of nutjob.Sandpit said:
Absolutely. It’s human nature that as things come to the crunch, there will be some ministers who profoundly disagree with the course being taken. While the PM and the whips have done a good job of being ambiguous enough to keep people mostly happy so far, it’s inevitable a few will choose to resign - probably on both sides of the Brexit debateTissue_Price said:
To be fair his letter and his stated reasons for resigning are very reasonable.Sandpit said:
Likely the first of many, although to be honest the payroll has held together pretty well so far.Tissue_Price said:
"The power that a country has to govern itself, without any interference from outside sources or bodies"
Just because we are able to do the things you mention does not mean we are sovereign since there are many other areas where we have given up those powers to the EU.0 -
You cannot pool sovereignty. Linguistically it is an oxymoron. Unlike you who are just a plain old fashioned moron.Nigel_Foremain said:
Showing your complete lack of understanding again. You are reasonably articulate for the average person that supports UKIP/EDL/BNP, but the bar isn't that high. The sovereignty was pooled in the same way we do with NATO and UN ... the fact that we are at liberty to pull out demonstrates we (and the other 27) are sovereign...oh why am I bothering, you are so dumb it is really not worth it. Go and do some goosestepping and maybe try and support another part of Putin's foreign policy.Richard_Tyndall said:
That is probably because you are too dumb to understand what the word means. Which I suspect derives from you not actually caring.Nigel_Foremain said:
+1. I'm bored having to explain that we do have sovereignty, or how the fuck did we manage to have an in/out referendum and go to war in Iraq etc. without Brussels agreeing? The sovereignty argument is one of the biggest lies Leave advocates perpetrated on a gullible publicAlastairMeeks said:
Anyone who thinks that Britain is not already free can safely be consigned to the category of nutjob.Sandpit said:
Absolutely. It’s human nature that as things come to the crunch, there will be some ministers who profoundly disagree with the course being taken. While the PM and the whips have done a good job of being ambiguous enough to keep people mostly happy so far, it’s inevitable a few will choose to resign - probably on both sides of the Brexit debateTissue_Price said:
To be fair his letter and his stated reasons for resigning are very reasonable.Sandpit said:
Likely the first of many, although to be honest the payroll has held together pretty well so far.Tissue_Price said:
"The power that a country has to govern itself, without any interference from outside sources or bodies"
Just because we are able to do the things you mention does not mean we are sovereign since there are many other areas where we have given up those powers to the EU.0 -
What larks you and your social group get up to.Richard_Tyndall said:
He (Dura Ace) is also regularly wrong on those things he claims to be an authority on. My good friend and neighbour who just retired as a squadron leader a couple of months ago regularly comes in to sit and laugh over a cuppa at some of the claims Dura Ace makes.MarqueeMark said:
Actually, I don't know why anybody bothers the fuck talking to you. Along with Dura Ace, you are the most certain, intemperate, squaddy-mouthed "contributors" on here. Both ex-military, it's as though you have a problem with people not taking orders.TOPPING said:
What are you talking about? Jeez. Did people know in 1985 that they were supporting Mengistu? Do you know who Comic Relief is actually supporting when they are sending money to Africa? Does Stacey Dooley?eek said:
Live Aid isn't Comic Relief. Equally 1985 is not 2019....TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/
On your final point in your previous comment you seem unable to recognise who is getting facts confused, who is claiming one charity (Live Aid) is actually another (Comic Relief) and posts without checking / suitable evidence to back up their facts.
Equally I don't think I'm the first person to call you out on those issues.
There are several issues here - first, the "white man's burden" issue of white people (yes @Tykejohnno they have historically been white), or the West, imposing a solution and "saving" Africa because of course the Africans are wholly unable to do so themselves, right? The second issue is that of the one above. We don't know where the money is going to and if, say, there is an African country that "needs reform" then sending money to them to alleviate any domestic suffering is removing the onus on that government to do so (cf. the resource curse).
Actually why the fuck am I bothering talking to you as you fundamentally misunderstand the issues under discussion.
Your orders.
Hint. You're on Civvy Street. The days of people giving a damn about you ended when you stopped having an SLR to back up your "arguments".....0 -
That was just a very unfortunate accident. I was trying to put up a picture.RobD said:
And I thought you were Lord Lucan....TOPPING said:
And I won gold in the 110m hurdles at the Beijing Olympics.Ishmael_Z said:
Is he ex military? It's a claim often made on internet forums.MarqueeMark said:
Actually, I don't know why anybody bothers the fuck talking to you. Along with Dura Ace, you are the most certain, intemperate, squaddy-mouthed "contributors" on here. Both ex-military, it's as though you have a problem with people not taking orders.TOPPING said:
What are you talking about? Jeez. Did people know in 1985 that they were supporting Mengistu? Do you know who Comic Relief is actually supporting when they are sending money to Africa? Does Stacey Dooley?eek said:
Live Aid isn't Comic Relief. Equally 1985 is not 2019....TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/
On your final point in your previous comment you seem unable to recognise who is getting facts confused, who is claiming one charity (Live Aid) is actually another (Comic Relief) and posts without checking / suitable evidence to back up their facts.
Equally I don't think I'm the first person to call you out on those issues.
There are several issues here - first, the "white man's burden" issue of white people (yes @Tykejohnno they have historically been white), or the West, imposing a solution and "saving" Africa because of course the Africans are wholly unable to do so themselves, right? The second issue is that of the one above. We don't know where the money is going to and if, say, there is an African country that "needs reform" then sending money to them to alleviate any domestic suffering is removing the onus on that government to do so (cf. the resource curse).
Actually why the fuck am I bothering talking to you as you fundamentally misunderstand the issues under discussion.
Your orders.
Hint. You're on Civvy Street. The days of people giving a damn about you ended when you stopped having an SLR to back up your "arguments".....0 -
The UK remains a sovereign nation. All sovereign nations exist with some interference from outside entities. I look upon our relationship with the EU as a form of contract that we have (voluntarily) entered into for mutual benefit.Richard_Tyndall said:
That is probably because you are too dumb to understand what the word means. Which I suspect derives from you not actually caring.Nigel_Foremain said:
+1. I'm bored having to explain that we do have sovereignty, or how the fuck did we manage to have an in/out referendum and go to war in Iraq etc. without Brussels agreeing? The sovereignty argument is one of the biggest lies Leave advocates perpetrated on a gullible publicAlastairMeeks said:
Anyone who thinks that Britain is not already free can safely be consigned to the category of nutjob.Sandpit said:
Absolutely. It’s human nature that as things come to the crunch, there will be some ministers who profoundly disagree with the course being taken. While the PM and the whips have done a good job of being ambiguous enough to keep people mostly happy so far, it’s inevitable a few will choose to resign - probably on both sides of the Brexit debateTissue_Price said:
To be fair his letter and his stated reasons for resigning are very reasonable.Sandpit said:
Likely the first of many, although to be honest the payroll has held together pretty well so far.Tissue_Price said:
"The power that a country has to govern itself, without any interference from outside sources or bodies"
Just because we are able to do the things you mention does not mean we are sovereign since there are many other areas where we have given up those powers to the EU.0 -
I think you'll need crayons and a Peppa Pig book for Richard.Dadge said:
The UK remains a sovereign nation. All sovereign nations exist with some interference from outside entities. I look upon our relationship with the EU as a form of contract that we have (voluntarily) entered into for mutual benefit.Richard_Tyndall said:
That is probably because you are too dumb to understand what the word means. Which I suspect derives from you not actually caring.Nigel_Foremain said:
+1. I'm bored having to explain that we do have sovereignty, or how the fuck did we manage to have an in/out referendum and go to war in Iraq etc. without Brussels agreeing? The sovereignty argument is one of the biggest lies Leave advocates perpetrated on a gullible publicAlastairMeeks said:
Anyone who thinks that Britain is not already free can safely be consigned to the category of nutjob.Sandpit said:
Absolutely. It’s human nature that as things come to the crunch, there will be some ministers who profoundly disagree with the course being taken. While the PM and the whips have done a good job of being ambiguous enough to keep people mostly happy so far, it’s inevitable a few will choose to resign - probably on both sides of the Brexit debateTissue_Price said:
To be fair his letter and his stated reasons for resigning are very reasonable.Sandpit said:
Likely the first of many, although to be honest the payroll has held together pretty well so far.Tissue_Price said:
"The power that a country has to govern itself, without any interference from outside sources or bodies"
Just because we are able to do the things you mention does not mean we are sovereign since there are many other areas where we have given up those powers to the EU.0 -
Tyndall favours a weird kind of utopian internationalism that relies on every country eliminating barriers between each other, but with absolutely no political institutions to agree any common rules.TOPPING said:
It'll be a shock to Tyndall when North Korea eventually joins the international community and thereby ceases to be perhaps the last remaining "sovereign" country.Nigel_Foremain said:
Showing your complete lack of understanding again. You are reasonably articulate for the average person that supports UKIP/EDL/BNP, but the bar isn't that high. The sovereignty was pooled in the same way we do with NATO and UN ... the fact that we are at liberty to pull out demonstrates we (and the other 27) are sovereign...oh why am I bothering, you are so dumb it is really not worth it. Go and do some goosestepping and maybe try and support another part of Putin's foreign policy.Richard_Tyndall said:
That is probably because you are too dumb to understand what the word means. Which I suspect derives from you not actually caring.Nigel_Foremain said:
+1. I'm bored having to explain that we do have sovereignty, or how the fuck did we manage to have an in/out referendum and go to war in Iraq etc. without Brussels agreeing? The sovereignty argument is one of the biggest lies Leave advocates perpetrated on a gullible publicAlastairMeeks said:
Anyone who thinks that Britain is not already free can safely be consigned to the category of nutjob.Sandpit said:
Absolutely. It’s human nature that as things come to the crunch, there will be some ministers who profoundly disagree with the course being taken. While the PM and the whips have done a good job of being ambiguous enough to keep people mostly happy so far, it’s inevitable a few will choose to resign - probably on both sides of the Brexit debateTissue_Price said:
To be fair his letter and his stated reasons for resigning are very reasonable.Sandpit said:
Likely the first of many, although to be honest the payroll has held together pretty well so far.Tissue_Price said:
"The power that a country has to govern itself, without any interference from outside sources or bodies"
Just because we are able to do the things you mention does not mean we are sovereign since there are many other areas where we have given up those powers to the EU.0 -
O/T I saw this advertised in the Spectator, and it looks fascinating.
I think I'll sign up for this.
https://www.buckingham.ac.uk/humanities/ma/militaryhistory
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Lots of foreign aid projects don't work, but some do. Foreign aid eradicated smallpox. No way the health systems of Bangladesh, Nigeria Somali etc. could have done that on their own.TOPPING said:
tl;dr them all? If aid worked, why was poverty not eradicated decades ago?
if all it took to eradicate malaria in sub-Saharan Africa was mosquito nets and why hasn't malaria been eradicated there?
As they say, aid is a way of channelling money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries.0 -
Afternoon all
Whatever the merits or otherwise of George Eustace's resignation, the fact remains the point is at last coming when, to use the colloquialism, people have to sh1t or get off the pot.
First up is the vote that really matters, the WA. The sole question is whether enough Conservatives will support to carry it (with some help from other parties). The margin of defeat was large last time and unless Geoffrey Cox (so beloved of this parish) can come up with a form of words which will please both everybody and nobody at the same time, I just don't see from where May will get the numbers.
The Wednesday vote is meaningless - Parliament can reject No Deal every day from now until March 29th, it carries no weight.
Then we have the second critical vote IF the WA fails - the question of an extension to A50. Will the Conservative Party really agree to a two-year extension to A50? 3 months is one thing - 24 is eight times as much (good old O Level Maths).
There will be those who argue extension is the first step to capitulation but Labour has huge issues if it votes against this as well. It's a thing nobody wants but nobody can be seen not to want it (pardon the double negative). I just wonder if in the chaos of voting down the WA, the mood to go ahead and get it over with will prevail and we will be on the path to No Deal.
If it all fails and May is forced to recognise No Deal, her Cabinet will be shattered.
The one piece in the puzzle we don't have is what length of extension the EU will accept.0 -
Everyone will remember where they were when they first heard that George Eustace had resigned.0
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Only one by-election today - Con defence in Stroud0
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What a unpleasant post Nigel,keep telling you and self awareness pal.Nigel_Foremain said:
What an unpleasant post. These idiots that claim to be patriotic because they voted for Putin's Brexit, and then slagging people off who have actually worn the Queen's uniform! Wanker doesn't sum it up sufficiently.MarqueeMark said:
Actually, I don't know why anybody bothers the fuck talking to you. Along with Dura Ace, you are the most certain, intemperate, squaddy-mouthed "contributors" on here. Both ex-military, it's as though you have a problem with people not taking orders.TOPPING said:
What are you talking about? Jeez. Did people know in 1985 that they were supporting Mengistu? Do you know who Comic Relief is actually supporting when they are sending money to Africa? Does Stacey Dooley?eek said:
Live Aid isn't Comic Relief. Equally 1985 is not 2019....TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/
On your final point in your previous comment you seem unable to recognise who is getting facts confused, who is claiming one charity (Live Aid) is actually another (Comic Relief) and posts without checking / suitable evidence to back up their facts.
Equally I don't think I'm the first person to call you out on those issues.
There are several issues here - first, the "white man's burden" issue of white people (yes @Tykejohnno they have historically been white), or the West, imposing a solution and "saving" Africa because of course the Africans are wholly unable to do so themselves, right? The second issue is that of the one above. We don't know where the money is going to and if, say, there is an African country that "needs reform" then sending money to them to alleviate any domestic suffering is removing the onus on that government to do so (cf. the resource curse).
Actually why the fuck am I bothering talking to you as you fundamentally misunderstand the issues under discussion.
Your orders.
Hint. You're on Civvy Street. The days of people giving a damn about you ended when you stopped having an SLR to back up your "arguments".....0 -
Who?WhisperingOracle said:Everyone will remember where they were when they first heard that George Eustace had resigned.
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I can understand someone resigning over a 24 month extension. Resigning over a three month one, which will still almost certainly be required even if the WA passes, seems silly.0
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Africa would probably be better off today if it hadn't received any aid money over the last 60 years.TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/0 -
I think that aid is good for dealing with sudden emergencies, but it's no substitute for capitalism and honest government.AndyJS said:
Africa would probably be better off today if it hadn't received any aid money over the last 60 years.TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/0 -
Eustace is quite well liked in the rural communities, because unlike his predecessors, he does appear to actually *like* the countryside.Scott_P said:
Who?WhisperingOracle said:Everyone will remember where they were when they first heard that George Eustace had resigned.
(Not defending his stance on Brexit, but he is pretty consistent)0 -
Texas is gradually turning purple. CO and NM are now pretty reliably blue, AZ is heading there, TX is following.Pulpstar said:
If Texas is very close, then its an absolute landslide for the Dems.Andrew said:As others have suggested here before, more evidence that Texas could be a real battleground next time round:
https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/11011257712954081280 -
Africa might. Lots of Africans might not.AndyJS said:
Africa would probably be better off today if it hadn't received any aid money over the last 60 years.TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/0 -
Interesting quotes from a Cobynite prospective parliamentary candidate in this article in support of a second referendum.
https://twitter.com/redditchrachel/status/11011335647652249600 -
And I will repeat my comments from below -TOPPING said:
I have no doubt - but don't tell Sir Bob that.Pulpstar said:
A Telegraph piece seems to suggest Zenawi's then rebels benefitted from Live Aid. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/ethiopia/7359324/Millions-of-Ethiopian-famine-aid-used-to-buy-weapons.htmlTOPPING said:
What are you talking about? Jeez. Did people know in 1985 that they were supporting Mengistu? Do you know who Comic Relief is actually supporting when they are sending money to Africa? Does Stacey Dooley?eek said:
Live Aid isn't Comic Relief. Equally 1985 is not 2019....TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/
On your final point in your previous comment you seem unable to recognise who is getting facts confused, who is claiming one charity (Live Aid) is actually another (Comic Relief) and posts without checking / suitable evidence to back up their facts.
Equally I don't think I'm the first person to call you out on those issues.
There are several issues here - first, the "white man's burden" issue of white people (yes @Tykejohnno they have historically been white), or the West, imposing a solution and "saving" Africa because of course the Africans are wholly unable to do so themselves, right? The second issue is that of the one above. We don't know where the money is going to and if, say, there is an African country that "needs reform" then sending money to them to alleviate any domestic suffering is removing the onus on that government to do so (cf. the resource curse).
Actually why the fuck am I bothering talking to you as you fundamentally misunderstand the issues under discussion.
Of course its possible both sides were able to arm up from the $$..
(or @eek!)
1) Live Aid != Comic Relief.
2) 1985 is very different from 2019 - charities have learnt a lot in 35 years.
You clearly see everything as black and white in a world that, at a minimum has various shades of grey, and often has other colours and issues to deal with at the same time.
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From what has been said about this there seem to be two extensions on offer from the EU. Up to three months to tidy up legislative details if the Deal is passed by the Commons. Or ~2 years to start negotiating the future trade deal in detail, as a way to bypass the backstop.stodge said:The one piece in the puzzle we don't have is what length of extension the EU will accept.
Theresa May has said that she will ask for a couple of months of time-wasting.
There's a view expressed that the EU will agree to any extension in preference to No Deal, but I think that would be very much a last resort.0 -
I appreciate that. And in such instances (the MDGs and the SDGs for example) "big pushes" as Jeffrey Sachs would say, can have an effect (although excluding India and China the effects are not as clear as they might be).rkrkrk said:
Lots of foreign aid projects don't work, but some do. Foreign aid eradicated smallpox. No way the health systems of Bangladesh, Nigeria Somali etc. could have done that on their own.TOPPING said:
tl;dr them all? If aid worked, why was poverty not eradicated decades ago?
if all it took to eradicate malaria in sub-Saharan Africa was mosquito nets and why hasn't malaria been eradicated there?
As they say, aid is a way of channelling money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries.
But regardless, the involvement of those countries' governments is vital. More often than not the aid agencies function outside the remit of governments which in turn represents a dilemma because the government then lacks agency and becomes subordinate to or must act in parallel to the external agencies/non-state actors.0 -
It is all about perceptions and nuance.AlastairMeeks said:
Anyone who thinks that Britain is not already free can safely be consigned to the category of nutjob.
Is the UK 'free'? Of course it is if you frame the argument in an absolute context.
'Free' in relation to the dynamics of its membership of the EU however may elicit a somewhat different answer for many.
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and, let me guess, Brexit is going to turn out wonderfully? Such knowledge and foresight and no evidence.AndyJS said:
Africa would probably be better off today if it hadn't received any aid money over the last 60 years.TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/0 -
As silly as being sacked for supporting government policy?rcs1000 said:I can understand someone resigning over a 24 month extension. Resigning over a three month one, which will still almost certainly be required even if the WA passes, seems silly.
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David Dollar has done a lot of work about that last. This is a seminal paper:Sean_F said:
I think that aid is good for dealing with sudden emergencies, but it's no substitute for capitalism and honest government.AndyJS said:
Africa would probably be better off today if it hadn't received any aid money over the last 60 years.TOPPING said:@eek
here you go - re-read this.
https://spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/
https://researchgate.net/publication/4863536_The_Increasing_Selectivity_of_Foreign_Aid_1984-20030 -
He knows that it's not just going to be a three month extension.rcs1000 said:I can understand someone resigning over a 24 month extension. Resigning over a three month one, which will still almost certainly be required even if the WA passes, seems silly.
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