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It gets worse! Labour staffer has come down to say they don’t accept petitions at Labour HQ. So they won’t take the @peoplesvote_uk petition. pic.twitter.com/yhVjwFcFzZ

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  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,312
    First!
  • El_Capitano
    El_Capitano Posts: 4,251
    edited February 2019
    Second... like, inevitably, Corbyn.
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    I think there's a chance that this would make a top 100 list of "not smart moves by the Labour leadership under Corbyn."

    But I'm not sure.
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,356
    El_Capitano said:

    Second... like, inevitably, Corbyn.

    Nothing’s inevitable. As Warren said of Trump, “he may not even be a free person by 2020”....

  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    edited February 2019
    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    FPT
    Nigelb said:

    On topic, the early polling and anecdata indications are that the Democrats want a liberal candidate, but want a candidate that can win even more.

    If a liberal can convince that they will win in November 2020, they will get the nomination, but I don’t think it’s going to be a progressive purity contest.

    Is there a difference between the most electable liberal candidate and the most liberal electable candidate?

    I'm also wary of perceptions of electability, because I'd bet that there are lots of Leavers in the UK who reckon that No Deal would be electorally popular - because they confuse what they find appealing with what people generally will find appealing. I do not have confidence that Democrat Primary voters will be immune to this cognitive bias.
  • Nigel_Foremain
    Nigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    OblitusSumMe said:

    I think there's a chance that this would make a top 100 list of "not smart moves by the Labour leadership under Corbyn."

    But I'm not sure.

    He really is as thick as a plank
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    Nigelb said:

    El_Capitano said:

    Second... like, inevitably, Corbyn.

    Nothing’s inevitable. As Warren said of Trump, “he may not even be a free person by 2020”....

    Is there a market on that?
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    MarqueeMark said:

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    Not true.

    The current party leadership is out of step with those who previously voted for the party.
  • eek
    eek Posts: 30,707
    https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1094956184514318336

    although surely they should expect publicity stunts...
  • Nigel_Foremain
    Nigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Which Tory were you referring to?
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    Scott_P said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    Not true.

    The current party leadership is out of step with those who previously voted for the party.
    She got 13.6m votes in 2017. I'd suggest she worry about keeping those on board. Polling says she mostly is. Even though they've lost both me and you.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    Burns burned....
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Which Tory were you referring to?
    I blame inept post editing!
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1094961162091941890
  • Endillion
    Endillion Posts: 4,976
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Which Tory were you referring to?
    If you're going to do that, you should probably try to avoid ending sentance's with prepositions.
  • Nigel_Foremain
    Nigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Whatever one might say of Theresa May, she is not a "Remainer". She largely sat on the fence and then has very much come down in the cause of appeasing the headbangers, and has done so since she became PM. The electorate clipped her wings, but she still tries to push through what is pretty much a hard Brexit position, even though she has no mandate for such.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,864
    Blimey. Has Jezza finally decided he's had enough?

    This is a near suicidal act by his top team.

    Bonkers.
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    The LibDem's massive problem is that they are the Lib Dems.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,864
    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1094952516222111752
  • TOPPING
    TOPPING Posts: 44,060
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Whatever one might say of Theresa May, she is not a "Remainer". She largely sat on the fence and then has very much come down in the cause of appeasing the headbangers, and has done so since she became PM. The electorate clipped her wings, but she still tries to push through what is pretty much a hard Brexit position, even though she has no mandate for such.
    She delivered what was arguably one of the best Remain speeches of the campaign.
  • Nigel_Foremain
    Nigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    TOPPING said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Whatever one might say of Theresa May, she is not a "Remainer". She largely sat on the fence and then has very much come down in the cause of appeasing the headbangers, and has done so since she became PM. The electorate clipped her wings, but she still tries to push through what is pretty much a hard Brexit position, even though she has no mandate for such.
    She delivered what was arguably one of the best Remain speeches of the campaign.
    She may have done, but it looks pretty disingenuous now considering she claims the electorate also voted for a number of things not explicitly on the ballot paper, and is pushing for a hard Brexit, (even though it is not quite the full fat WTO madness as beloved by the ERG self-harm death cult).
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1094961162091941890

    No deal is better than a bad deal ;)
  • Nigel_Foremain
    Nigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    TOPPING said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Whatever one might say of Theresa May, she is not a "Remainer". She largely sat on the fence and then has very much come down in the cause of appeasing the headbangers, and has done so since she became PM. The electorate clipped her wings, but she still tries to push through what is pretty much a hard Brexit position, even though she has no mandate for such.
    She delivered what was arguably one of the best Remain speeches of the campaign.
    Having just read that again, it is quite extraordinary that she could take the position that she has since being promoted to PM
  • Endillion
    Endillion Posts: 4,976
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1094961162091941890

    No deal is better than a bad deal ;)
    No ships are better than bad ships?
  • TOPPING
    TOPPING Posts: 44,060
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Whatever one might say of Theresa May, she is not a "Remainer". She largely sat on the fence and then has very much come down in the cause of appeasing the headbangers, and has done so since she became PM. The electorate clipped her wings, but she still tries to push through what is pretty much a hard Brexit position, even though she has no mandate for such.
    She delivered what was arguably one of the best Remain speeches of the campaign.
    Having just read that again, it is quite extraordinary that she could take the position that she has since being promoted to PM
    Oh yes. She is deeply flawed and wholly unfit for purpose. But it was a great speech. Was that the "true" Theresa allowed to express herself in a competent manner; something she had not done before and has not done since.
  • Nigel_Foremain
    Nigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    rottenborough said:

    Blimey. Has Jezza finally decided he's had enough?

    This is a near suicidal act by his top team.

    Bonkers.

    There is now a new British political disease that is best demonstrated by Corbyn, Momentum and the ERG. It is called self harm-itus, or its latin term, politico-auto-nocentibus. In it's most virulent form it causes the largely insufferable sufferer to advocate policies that are designed to cause maximum electoral damage to their party, whilst simultaneously damaging the country's economy in extremis.
  • Nigel_Foremain
    Nigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    TOPPING said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Whatever one might say of Theresa May, she is not a "Remainer". She largely sat on the fence and then has very much come down in the cause of appeasing the headbangers, and has done so since she became PM. The electorate clipped her wings, but she still tries to push through what is pretty much a hard Brexit position, even though she has no mandate for such.
    She delivered what was arguably one of the best Remain speeches of the campaign.
    Having just read that again, it is quite extraordinary that she could take the position that she has since being promoted to PM
    Oh yes. She is deeply flawed and wholly unfit for purpose. But it was a great speech. Was that the "true" Theresa allowed to express herself in a competent manner; something she had not done before and has not done since.
    Maybe the person we see today is not really Theresa May, but a lizardoid controlled by fellow lizard alien Vladimir Putin. I am sure I saw a long tongue shoot out from her the other day. This Brexit madness is getting to me....
  • TOPPING
    TOPPING Posts: 44,060
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    rottenborough said:

    Blimey. Has Jezza finally decided he's had enough?

    This is a near suicidal act by his top team.

    Bonkers.

    There is now a new British political disease that is best demonstrated by Corbyn, Momentum and the ERG. It is called self harm-itus, or its latin term, politico-auto-nocentibus. In it's most virulent form it causes the largely insufferable sufferer to advocate policies that are designed to cause maximum electoral damage to their party, whilst simultaneously damaging the country's economy in extremis.
    It is not new - it has been a feature of much of politics over the years and is correctly named not taking yes for an answer-itis.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Incitatus for PM!
  • Nigel_Foremain
    Nigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    TOPPING said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    rottenborough said:

    Blimey. Has Jezza finally decided he's had enough?

    This is a near suicidal act by his top team.

    Bonkers.

    There is now a new British political disease that is best demonstrated by Corbyn, Momentum and the ERG. It is called self harm-itus, or its latin term, politico-auto-nocentibus. In it's most virulent form it causes the largely insufferable sufferer to advocate policies that are designed to cause maximum electoral damage to their party, whilst simultaneously damaging the country's economy in extremis.
    It is not new - it has been a feature of much of politics over the years and is correctly named not taking yes for an answer-itis.
    Hmm, perhaps you were right. In the past those that were identified as having the disease were made to ring a bell and say "spare a Talent for an old ex-Marxist". Every now and again someone might give them half a Dinari, and then they'd be told to piss off. Now a bunch of gullible idiots have caused the spread of the disease by suggesting that "that wing of the party needs to be heard". Silly tossers.
  • Essexit
    Essexit Posts: 1,966
    Maybe Corbyn knows that if he alienates that 19% of Labour voters he's toast. The 73% are still voting for him despite his stance on Brexit. Driving Leave voters to the Tories in order to (maybe) pick up a few Remainers from the Lib Dems and SNP would not be smart.
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Not sure that is correct. The most recent polling I saw suggest she remains popular with Conservative voters. The Tory problem is that the members may be the ones out of step.
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Which Tory were you referring to?
    Lol - I think he meant himself - he's forgotten that he is out of step with this century.
  • Nigel_Foremain
    Nigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    felix said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Not sure that is correct. The most recent polling I saw suggest she remains popular with Conservative voters. The Tory problem is that the members may be the ones out of step.
    They haven't quite been able to coordinate how to do the goosestep. It is quite challenging for the over-70s
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    Endillion said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Which Tory were you referring to?
    If you're going to do that, you should probably try to avoid ending sentance's with prepositions.
    Or spelling sentence incorrectly?
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    felix said:

    Or spelling sentence incorrectly?

    If Brexit doesn't allow us to create our own spelling, what's the point?
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    felix said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Not sure that is correct. The most recent polling I saw suggest she remains popular with Conservative voters. The Tory problem is that the members may be the ones out of step.
    They haven't quite been able to coordinate how to do the goosestep. It is quite challenging for the over-70s
    Now now - you were doing so well till you descended into ageism.
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,356
    https://twitter.com/tom_nuttall/status/1094933599642636288
  • Stark_Dawning
    Stark_Dawning Posts: 10,202
    edited February 2019
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1094961162091941890

    Amazing. I can only assume Grayling was the victim of some sort of hoax here, with these Seaborne characters just trying to see how far he'd go. If it was a con trick, surely they'd have at least attempted to make it look like a vaguely serious project.
  • Nigel_Foremain
    Nigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    felix said:

    Endillion said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Which Tory were you referring to?
    If you're going to do that, you should probably try to avoid ending sentance's with prepositions.
    Or spelling sentence incorrectly?
    Perhaps "Sentance" is a proper noun, but the capital S was overlooked. He/she apparently has "with prepositions", whatever that means.
  • Nigel_Foremain
    Nigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    felix said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    felix said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Not sure that is correct. The most recent polling I saw suggest she remains popular with Conservative voters. The Tory problem is that the members may be the ones out of step.
    They haven't quite been able to coordinate how to do the goosestep. It is quite challenging for the over-70s
    Now now - you were doing so well till you descended into ageism.
    My apols, you are right that one was a little too ageist. A little sloppy; the image of goose-stepping swivel-eyed septuagenarians just seemed too good.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/TheNewEuropean/status/1094967960781901825
  • Nigel_Foremain
    Nigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    Scott_P said:

    felix said:

    Or spelling sentence incorrectly?

    If Brexit doesn't allow us to create our own spelling, what's the point?
    Taik bak Kontroal
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Essexit said:

    Maybe Corbyn knows that if he alienates that 19% of Labour voters he's toast. The 73% are still voting for him despite his stance on Brexit. Driving Leave voters to the Tories in order to (maybe) pick up a few Remainers from the Lib Dems and SNP would not be smart.

    The Blairites might want to reflect that Corbyn's Brexit policy is classic third-way triangulation. He has taken up a policy position one small step on the Remain side of the position of the Leader of the Conservative Party.

    Whether this triangulation has failed due to incompetence, or the polarisation that brought Corbyn to the Labour leadership, is secondary to my delight at this unintended irony.
  • AlastairMeeks
    AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Nigelb said:

    https://twitter.com/tom_nuttall/status/1094933599642636288

    Much the most helpful intervention from the EU for some considerable time. They need to be helping to narrow down options.
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,356
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Nigelb said:

    https://twitter.com/tom_nuttall/status/1094933599642636288

    Much the most helpful intervention from the EU for some considerable time...
    Not that there has been much competition for that accolade.
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    felix said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    felix said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Not sure that is correct. The most recent polling I saw suggest she remains popular with Conservative voters. The Tory problem is that the members may be the ones out of step.
    They haven't quite been able to coordinate how to do the goosestep. It is quite challenging for the over-70s
    Now now - you were doing so well till you descended into ageism.
    My apols, you are right that one was a little too ageist. A little sloppy; the image of goose-stepping swivel-eyed septuagenarians just seemed too good.
    Not when you're only 5 years away from 3 score and 10!
  • kinabalu
    kinabalu Posts: 46,273
    Jeez can't these PV people just let the wretched thing drop! Forever bothering Jeremy with it when he has other things to focus on. Now here they come with a stupid little 'petition' and they expect him to drop everything and look at it. Typically reprehensible behaviour from a bunch of entitled remainers. It's a wonder that Jeremy doesn't lose his rag with them. I certainly would. Guess that's why I'm not LOTO material and he is.
  • Nigel_Foremain
    Nigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    felix said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    felix said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    felix said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Not sure that is correct. The most recent polling I saw suggest she remains popular with Conservative voters. The Tory problem is that the members may be the ones out of step.
    They haven't quite been able to coordinate how to do the goosestep. It is quite challenging for the over-70s
    Now now - you were doing so well till you descended into ageism.
    My apols, you are right that one was a little too ageist. A little sloppy; the image of goose-stepping swivel-eyed septuagenarians just seemed too good.
    Not when you're only 5 years away from 3 score and 10!
    Congratulations. 70 is the new 60! And 60 is the new 50! (I will be there in another 5 years!)
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/TheNewEuropean/status/1094967960781901825

    Damn, Labour's politicking is so shallow even the New European has spotted it.....
  • david_herdson
    david_herdson Posts: 18,357
    Nigelb said:

    https://twitter.com/tom_nuttall/status/1094933599642636288

    She's wrong there. The route is the one I mapped out at the weekend, via an A50 extension and a second referendum, which the government feels obliged to table as the only way of getting the deal through (and with a new mandate), and has to table Remain, and probably No Deal, as options in order to attract enough votes to gain parliamentary support for the referendum.
  • Nigel_Foremain
    Nigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Nigelb said:

    https://twitter.com/tom_nuttall/status/1094933599642636288

    Much the most helpful intervention from the EU for some considerable time. They need to be helping to narrow down options.
    A structured Brexit is as stupid a concept as a painless headache.
  • AlastairMeeks
    AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Nigelb said:

    https://twitter.com/tom_nuttall/status/1094933599642636288

    Much the most helpful intervention from the EU for some considerable time. They need to be helping to narrow down options.
    A structured Brexit is as stupid a concept as a painless headache.
    Well yes, but there are no sensible concepts from here.
  • ExiledInScotland
    ExiledInScotland Posts: 1,540
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    felix said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    felix said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    felix said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Not sure that is correct. The most recent polling I saw suggest she remains popular with Conservative voters. The Tory problem is that the members may be the ones out of step.
    They haven't quite been able to coordinate how to do the goosestep. It is quite challenging for the over-70s
    Now now - you were doing so well till you descended into ageism.
    My apols, you are right that one was a little too ageist. A little sloppy; the image of goose-stepping swivel-eyed septuagenarians just seemed too good.
    Not when you're only 5 years away from 3 score and 10!
    Congratulations. 70 is the new 60! And 60 is the new 50! (I will be there in another 5 years!)
    60 is the new 50 because you need another 10 years to pay off the mortgage
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    TOPPING said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Whatever one might say of Theresa May, she is not a "Remainer". She largely sat on the fence and then has very much come down in the cause of appeasing the headbangers, and has done so since she became PM. The electorate clipped her wings, but she still tries to push through what is pretty much a hard Brexit position, even though she has no mandate for such.
    She delivered what was arguably one of the best Remain speeches of the campaign.
    If the photo accompanying that speech was remotely contemporary, she has aged 20 years in 3.....
  • Nigel_Foremain
    Nigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    ExiledInScotland said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    felix said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    felix said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    felix said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Not sure that is correct. The most recent polling I saw suggest she remains popular with Conservative voters. The Tory problem is that the members may be the ones out of step.
    They haven't quite been able to coordinate how to do the goosestep. It is quite challenging for the over-70s
    Now now - you were doing so well till you descended into ageism.
    My apols, you are right that one was a little too ageist. A little sloppy; the image of goose-stepping swivel-eyed septuagenarians just seemed too good.
    Not when you're only 5 years away from 3 score and 10!
    Congratulations. 70 is the new 60! And 60 is the new 50! (I will be there in another 5 years!)
    60 is the new 50 because you need another 10 years to pay off the mortgage
    In that case I suspect that after Brexit, 80 will be the new 50
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,356
    edited February 2019
    david_herdson said:

    Nigelb said:

    https://twitter.com/tom_nuttall/status/1094933599642636288

    She's wrong there. The route is the one I mapped out at the weekend, via an A50 extension and a second referendum, which the government feels obliged to table as the only way of getting the deal through (and with a new mandate), and has to table Remain, and probably No Deal, as options in order to attract enough votes to gain parliamentary support for the referendum.
    I don't disagree (and I suggested/advocated such a route months ago).

    Interesting that she's publicly making the point, though.
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,356
    Of interest to Morris Dancer, if no one else:
    https://motorsport.tech/formula-1/technical-overview-of-haas-vf19-challenger
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    MarqueeMark said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Whatever one might say of Theresa May, she is not a "Remainer". She largely sat on the fence and then has very much come down in the cause of appeasing the headbangers, and has done so since she became PM. The electorate clipped her wings, but she still tries to push through what is pretty much a hard Brexit position, even though she has no mandate for such.
    She delivered what was arguably one of the best Remain speeches of the campaign.
    If the photo accompanying that speech was remotely contemporary, she has aged 20 years in 3.....
    Most leaders do.
  • AlastairMeeks
    AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1094978991713333248
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    And goodnight Mr Jennings. An apt way for his struggles to end sadly.
  • GarethoftheVale2
    GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,350
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    rottenborough said:

    Blimey. Has Jezza finally decided he's had enough?

    This is a near suicidal act by his top team.

    Bonkers.

    There is now a new British political disease that is best demonstrated by Corbyn, Momentum and the ERG. It is called self harm-itus, or its latin term, politico-auto-nocentibus. In it's most virulent form it causes the largely insufferable sufferer to advocate policies that are designed to cause maximum electoral damage to their party, whilst simultaneously damaging the country's economy in extremis.
    I'm not sure it is self-harm. The hard left's long-term goal is to control the Labour party. At the moment, the one branch they don't control is the MPs. If the Corbynites push the Centrists into splitting then they may well lose the next election BUT they will still be the opposition and they will now have a party fully-controlled by the left. As long as the left are in control of the Labour party they can afford to wait until the electorate tire of the Tories.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    edited February 2019
    Brexit has come up both socially and professionally at my work today...
    It was the main topic of conversation amongst a group of friends I saw on Saturday too !
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. B, seen a little of the new Toro Rosso on Twitter.

    Unfortunately, I'm making some last changes to a book (out soon *cough*) and have to do that rather than read/think about F1.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    AlastairMeeks said:

    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1094978991713333248

    I heard her interviewed on 5 live a few days ago and all she could say was 'foreigners'

    Utterly appalling piece of work (and that is something for me to say who likes to be polite as much as possible)
  • gypsumfantastic
    gypsumfantastic Posts: 258
    edited February 2019
    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    That said, I'm glad her party exists because it reminds people, lest they forget, that racism, xenophobia, and petty small minded bigotry and hatred is and always was the primary motivating factor behind Brexit.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    And goodnight Mr Jennings. An apt way for his struggles to end sadly.

    Bit unlucky but frankly he did not deserve any luck. He was less embarrassing in the second innings than the first. That is probably the best that can be said.
  • ReggieCide
    ReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    GarethoftheVale2 said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    rottenborough said:

    Blimey. Has Jezza finally decided he's had enough?

    This is a near suicidal act by his top team.

    Bonkers.

    There is now a new British political disease that is best demonstrated by Corbyn, Momentum and the ERG. It is called self harm-itus, or its latin term, politico-auto-nocentibus. In it's most virulent form it causes the largely insufferable sufferer to advocate policies that are designed to cause maximum electoral damage to their party, whilst simultaneously damaging the country's economy in extremis.
    I'm not sure it is self-harm. The hard left's long-term goal is to control the Labour party. At the moment, the one branch they don't control is the MPs. If the Corbynites push the Centrists into splitting then they may well lose the next election BUT they will still be the opposition and they will now have a party fully-controlled by the left. As long as the left are in control of the Labour party they can afford to wait until the electorate tire of the Tories.
    If the alternative election option is the left controlled Labour party then I would suggest that, far from tiring, the electorate will have to have died, apart from the left controlled Labour party bit. I will unfortunately miss the pleasure of witnessing how that goes.
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Nigelb said:

    https://twitter.com/tom_nuttall/status/1094933599642636288

    Much the most helpful intervention from the EU for some considerable time. They need to be helping to narrow down options.
    And yet, most of the replies to that tweet are exactly that 'we can just say we stay'...

    It does seem as though the post war structures are now breaking down in the West, just as outside forces caused the Berlin wall. Not just the UK, but throughout Europe and in the US.

    We're living in interesting times.
  • Nigel_Foremain
    Nigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    gypsumfantastic said:

    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    That said, I'm glad her party exists because it reminds people, lest they forget, that racism, xenophobia, and petty small minded bigotry and hatred is and always was the primary motivating factor behind Brexit.

    The next most ridiculous concept along with an "organised Brexit" and a painless headache, comes un-racist racism, as typified by that alleged non-racist, Mr Nigel Farage.
  • AlastairMeeks
    AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1094978991713333248

    I heard her interviewed on 5 live a few days ago and all she could say was 'foreigners'

    Utterly appalling piece of work (and that is something for me to say who likes to be polite as much as possible)
    I haven't come across her but she really must be quite something to provoke you so much.
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    gypsumfantastic said:

    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    Or the racists can just join the existing labour party which it seems they now control.
  • gypsumfantastic
    gypsumfantastic Posts: 258
    Slackbladder said:

    gypsumfantastic said:

    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    Or the racists can just join the existing labour party which it seems they now control.
    Don't be silly. Labour can't be racist, Jews don't count.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Nigelb said:

    https://twitter.com/tom_nuttall/status/1094933599642636288

    Much the most helpful intervention from the EU for some considerable time. They need to be helping to narrow down options.
    A structured Brexit is as stupid a concept as a painless headache.
    Other opinions are available.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    !Jeopardy!

    Who is Anne Marie Moris ?
  • logical_song
    logical_song Posts: 10,082
    "Fox News host Pete Hegseth has confessed on air that he has not washed his hands for 10 years because "germs are not a real thing"."
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47201923
  • logical_song
    logical_song Posts: 10,082
    AlastairMeeks said:

    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1094978991713333248

    So whatever it's called is the new UKIP.
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    felix said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    felix said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    felix said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Not sure that is correct. The most recent polling I saw suggest she remains popular with Conservative voters. The Tory problem is that the members may be the ones out of step.
    They haven't quite been able to coordinate how to do the goosestep. It is quite challenging for the over-70s
    Now now - you were doing so well till you descended into ageism.
    My apols, you are right that one was a little too ageist. A little sloppy; the image of goose-stepping swivel-eyed septuagenarians just seemed too good.
    Not when you're only 5 years away from 3 score and 10!
    Congratulations. 70 is the new 60! And 60 is the new 50! (I will be there in another 5 years!)
    Tell that to my aches and pains! :)
  • kinabalu
    kinabalu Posts: 46,273
    gypsumfantastic said:

    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    That said, I'm glad her party exists because it reminds people, lest they forget, that racism, xenophobia, and petty small minded bigotry and hatred is and always was the primary motivating factor behind Brexit.

    You need to wash your mouth out with soap. It was all about the failure of the political class to listen to the concerns of people who have been left behind by globalisation.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1094978991713333248

    I heard her interviewed on 5 live a few days ago and all she could say was 'foreigners'

    Utterly appalling piece of work (and that is something for me to say who likes to be polite as much as possible)
    I haven't come across her but she really must be quite something to provoke you so much.
    I despaired
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited February 2019
    The interesting question is why Nigel Farage hasn't started his own new party. I imagine it's because it's a lot of work and he really can't be bothered.
  • gypsumfantastic
    gypsumfantastic Posts: 258
    kinabalu said:

    gypsumfantastic said:

    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    That said, I'm glad her party exists because it reminds people, lest they forget, that racism, xenophobia, and petty small minded bigotry and hatred is and always was the primary motivating factor behind Brexit.

    You need to wash your mouth out with soap. It was all about the failure of the political class to listen to the concerns of people who have been left behind by globalisation.
    I mean that's a very longwinded way of saying racist.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    gypsumfantastic said:

    kinabalu said:

    gypsumfantastic said:

    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    That said, I'm glad her party exists because it reminds people, lest they forget, that racism, xenophobia, and petty small minded bigotry and hatred is and always was the primary motivating factor behind Brexit.

    You need to wash your mouth out with soap. It was all about the failure of the political class to listen to the concerns of people who have been left behind by globalisation.
    I mean that's a very longwinded way of saying racist.
    There was a racist theme from some but to brand 17.4 million voters as racist is a nonsense. There were many others reasons for brexit
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/1094988507074973697
  • gypsumfantastic
    gypsumfantastic Posts: 258
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    gypsumfantastic said:

    kinabalu said:

    gypsumfantastic said:

    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    That said, I'm glad her party exists because it reminds people, lest they forget, that racism, xenophobia, and petty small minded bigotry and hatred is and always was the primary motivating factor behind Brexit.

    You need to wash your mouth out with soap. It was all about the failure of the political class to listen to the concerns of people who have been left behind by globalisation.
    I mean that's a very longwinded way of saying racist.
    There was a racist theme from some but to brand 17.4 million voters as racist is a nonsense. There were many others reasons for brexit
    16.8 million racists
    0.6 million idiots
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Pulpstar said:

    !Jeopardy!

    Who is Anne Marie Moris ?

    She was one of the candidates for leader the last time UKIP held a leadership election (after the Liverpool academic did so well at 2017GE, but before the ex-Army guy had to resign because of his girlfriend). After she lost she went off and formed her own party that was explicitly anti-Muslim. Something like the New Britain Party.
  • Endillion
    Endillion Posts: 4,976
    felix said:

    Endillion said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Which Tory were you referring to?
    If you're going to do that, you should probably try to avoid ending sentance's with prepositions.
    Or spelling sentence incorrectly?
    I had to make some deliberate errors to cover myself in case I made some accidental ones. In retrospect, it was never going to be possible for anyone to tell the difference.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/1094988507074973697

    FT anti brexit stance showing. Of course brexit is a negative to the economy but we are doing better than Italy and Germany and on a par with France
  • TOPPING
    TOPPING Posts: 44,060
    gypsumfantastic said:

    kinabalu said:

    gypsumfantastic said:

    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    That said, I'm glad her party exists because it reminds people, lest they forget, that racism, xenophobia, and petty small minded bigotry and hatred is and always was the primary motivating factor behind Brexit.

    You need to wash your mouth out with soap. It was all about the failure of the political class to listen to the concerns of people who have been left behind by globalisation.
    I mean that's a very longwinded way of saying racist.
    I am a big fan of immigration. It's not that I want to reduce the number of immigrants it's just that I want to be able to control that number look at Australia with its points system and why should we discriminate against people from India in favour of people from Europe.

    is a very longwinded way of saying racist.

    (Step forward every Leaver who has ever opined on the matter.)
  • ReggieCide
    ReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    gypsumfantastic said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    gypsumfantastic said:

    kinabalu said:

    gypsumfantastic said:

    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    That said, I'm glad her party exists because it reminds people, lest they forget, that racism, xenophobia, and petty small minded bigotry and hatred is and always was the primary motivating factor behind Brexit.

    You need to wash your mouth out with soap. It was all about the failure of the political class to listen to the concerns of people who have been left behind by globalisation.
    I mean that's a very longwinded way of saying racist.
    There was a racist theme from some but to brand 17.4 million voters as racist is a nonsense. There were many others reasons for brexit
    16.8 million racists
    0.6 million idiots
    You're obviously a fan of racist Dianne
  • gypsumfantastic
    gypsumfantastic Posts: 258
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/1094988507074973697

    Reality is just Project Fear.

    When the Brecession happens it will be because remoaners didn't BELIEVE IN BRITAIN hard enough.
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,356
    logical_song said:

    "Fox News host Pete Hegseth has confessed on air that he has not washed his hands for 10 years because "germs are not a real thing"."
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47201923

    The BBC story is innumerate. The bacterial level per gram of faeces in the quoted study is in the tens to hundreds of millions, not 'trillions'. Only about four or five orders of magnitude out.
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,356
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. B, seen a little of the new Toro Rosso on Twitter.

    Unfortunately, I'm making some last changes to a book (out soon *cough*) and have to do that rather than read/think about F1.

    All the best with your efforts.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    gypsumfantastic said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    gypsumfantastic said:

    kinabalu said:

    gypsumfantastic said:

    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    That said, I'm glad her party exists because it reminds people, lest they forget, that racism, xenophobia, and petty small minded bigotry and hatred is and always was the primary motivating factor behind Brexit.

    You need to wash your mouth out with soap. It was all about the failure of the political class to listen to the concerns of people who have been left behind by globalisation.
    I mean that's a very longwinded way of saying racist.
    There was a racist theme from some but to brand 17.4 million voters as racist is a nonsense. There were many others reasons for brexit
    16.8 million racists
    0.6 million idiots
    Just utter nonsense
  • ReggieCide
    ReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/1094988507074973697

    FT anti brexit stance showing. Of course brexit is a negative to the economy but we are doing better than Italy and Germany and on a par with France
    I did wonder why it was a blow to the data?
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,356
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    And goodnight Mr Jennings. An apt way for his struggles to end sadly.

    Surely that is it for his test career ?
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    gypsumfantastic said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/1094988507074973697

    Reality is just Project Fear.

    When the Brecession happens it will be because remoaners didn't BELIEVE IN BRITAIN hard enough.
    Will I have to dig up that old Balls flatlining gif?
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. B, thanks, could use all the luck I can get :p
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    OblitusSumMe said:

    Pulpstar said:

    !Jeopardy!

    Who is Anne Marie Moris ?

    She was one of the candidates for leader the last time UKIP held a leadership election (after the Liverpool academic did so well at 2017GE, but before the ex-Army guy had to resign because of his girlfriend). After she lost she went off and formed her own party that was explicitly anti-Muslim. Something like the New Britain Party.
    Oops. No. That was Anne Marie Waters.

    Anne Marie Morris is the Conservative MP for Newton Abbot, where I was living for the 2015GE, and I think she was in trouble for using racist language in more innocent times before Brexit sent everyone completely crazy.
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