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And, like Gove, she has a way about her that rubs you up the wrong way before you even think about what she is saying.TGOHF said:
Too fat though. Britain will never elect a fat female PM anytime soon.SeanT said:
He's my MP. I have always perceived him as highly careerist, first, and soft left, second. He was a horribly PC DPP. He's also extremely wooden, and bad on TV, I'm not sure why Labourites see him as a saviour, apart from outright desperation.dixiedean said:
Does Starmer have any politics? Genuine question. As a former DPP and the lawyer brought in to lead on Brexit, I, for one, am totally unaware of where he stands within the Party on any other issue.Stereotomy said:
But Corbyn supporters don't agree with Starmer's politics.nico67 said:You’ll never win an election if the leader of the party is viewed more unfavorably than the party itself . Starmer would be wiping the floor with May if he was Labour leader . How long will the Corbyn groupies remain in a fantasy ?
As a Labour supporter the current situation is very painful!
Has he ever voiced any opinion on health, education or the economy? Is he on the right, centre or soft left of the Party?
I'll say it again, Thornberry is their best choice, on so many levels. She riles people, but the people she riles don't matter. I don't think core Labour voters in the North really care about her flag insult.
She's competent, she's smart, she's quite articulate, she's a woman (finally, a woman leader of Labour) she's got a decent backstory, she will appeal to centrists and Don't Knows, and the middle classes in the south, she is also just about leftwing enough to satisfy most Corbynites.
She's a Remainer who would push for, and accept, a very Soft Brexit.
I think if she were leading Labour they would be 10 points ahead.
If they were led by Ed Balls they would probably be 15-20 points ahead, but he would never be accepted by the lunatic membership.
And a horrendous PC London luvvie who will forever be judge by her flag tweet which showed how out of touch she is. Kryptonite north of Luton0 -
So in those 24 mentions you have 1 actual incident mentioned the rest just mentions allegations, discussions and debates.TOPPING said:@TheJezziah
apologies for long post:
"For example, the last week of March 2018 saw renewed focus on Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn’s past support for a graffiti artist called Mear One, who had painted an allegedly antisemitic mural in Tower Hamlets in 2012 (Corbyn objected to the removal of the mural by Tower Hamlets council). This led to a demonstration held outside Parliament and an open letter to Corbyn from Jewish community leadership bodies in late March. Representatives of those same Jewish organisations (including CST) subsequently met Corbyn and his leadership team in late April 2018. This period saw sustained and prominent media and political debate about the question of antisemitism in the Labour Party, and about the broader issue of antisemitism in British society. CST recorded the highest and second-highest monthly antisemitic incident totals for the year in May and April respectively. Similarly, in August a series of allegations of antisemitic behaviour by Labour Party members and by Jeremy Corbyn himself attracted widespread media coverage. There was also an ongoing dispute during the summer of 2018 over whether the party would adopt the International Holocaust Remembrance Association (IHRA) definition of antisemitism (this continued into early September, when the party decided to adopt the definition). These factors may help to explain why the number of antisemitic incidents reported to CST rose from 130 in July 2018 to 150 incidents in August. "
24 mentions of "Labour" in the report.0 -
There's a pharmaceutical saying (probably used elsewhere, too); 'You can have it quick or you can have it right!'viewcode said:
Did he have a rubber on the end of his pencil? Because...kinabalu said:
DIODIR - do it once, do it right. This is what one of my old big bosses at Lehman Bros used to preach. And 'preach' was the word. He even used to hand out paperweights with that (DIODIR) written on them.SeanT said:See I wrote "reject" twice in the same paragraph. That's shoddy English, and I would normally and quickly amend it. But I can't, because no Edit button.
This is bad. It is going to make PB much less euphonious. Comments with glaring errors, prosodical, political and statistical, will litter the page like dog poo.
Can we have the EDIT button back, please. Thanks.
What a prat, that guy was.
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Strangely enough he did quite well as Acting Leader , and many regretted his failure to run for the Leadership at the time.kinabalu said:
I like Vince Cable as a politician but I think the problem with his leadership is lack of brio.viewcode said:Resign? He's not competent and doesn't need the money any more.
He is 75, and while I would be delighted to reach that age in his apparent condition, I do think that he has 'gone over' and needs to be handing over the torch quite soon.0 -
You get the sense that Emily Thornberry has a warm sense of humour and that helps her a lot. She'd be just fine as Labour leader. I don't think we will ever get to find out though.0
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Dissing the flag is about as toxic as it gets with a raft of not-very-political people who vote on the basis of stuff like this. Maybe punching HM the Queen in the throat would be worse. But not much.TGOHF said:
Too fat though. Britain will never elect a fat female PM anytime soon.SeanT said:
He's my MP. I have always perceived him as highly careerist, first, and soft left, second. He was a horribly PC DPP. He's also extremely wooden, and bad on TV, I'm not sure why Labourites see him as a saviour, apart from outright desperation.dixiedean said:
Does Starmer have any politics? Genuine question. As a former DPP and the lawyer brought in to lead on Brexit, I, for one, am totally unaware of where he stands within the Party on any other issue.Stereotomy said:
But Corbyn supporters don't agree with Starmer's politics.nico67 said:You’ll never win an election if the leader of the party is viewed more unfavorably than the party itself . Starmer would be wiping the floor with May if he was Labour leader . How long will the Corbyn groupies remain in a fantasy ?
As a Labour supporter the current situation is very painful!
Has he ever voiced any opinion on health, education or the economy? Is he on the right, centre or soft left of the Party?
I'll say it again, Thornberry is their best choice, on so many levels. She riles people, but the people she riles don't matter. I don't think core Labour voters in the North really care about her flag insult.
She's competent, she's smart, she's quite articulate, she's a woman (finally, a woman leader of Labour) she's got a decent backstory, she will appeal to centrists and Don't Knows, and the middle classes in the south, she is also just about leftwing enough to satisfy most Corbynites.
She's a Remainer who would push for, and accept, a very Soft Brexit.
I think if she were leading Labour they would be 10 points ahead.
If they were led by Ed Balls they would probably be 15-20 points ahead, but he would never be accepted by the lunatic membership.
And a horrendous PC London luvvie who will forever be judge by her flag tweet which showed how out of touch she is. Kryptonite north of Luton0 -
Its a very useful feature though - it informs one to instantly scroll past their tweet as the content is invariably bilge.SeanT said:0 -
My dad had something similar: "You can have it quick, good or cheap. Pick any two."OldKingCole said:
There's a pharmaceutical saying (probably used elsewhere, too); 'You can have it quick or you can have it right!'viewcode said:
Did he have a rubber on the end of his pencil? Because...kinabalu said:
DIODIR - do it once, do it right. This is what one of my old big bosses at Lehman Bros used to preach. And 'preach' was the word. He even used to hand out paperweights with that (DIODIR) written on them.SeanT said:See I wrote "reject" twice in the same paragraph. That's shoddy English, and I would normally and quickly amend it. But I can't, because no Edit button.
This is bad. It is going to make PB much less euphonious. Comments with glaring errors, prosodical, political and statistical, will litter the page like dog poo.
Can we have the EDIT button back, please. Thanks.
What a prat, that guy was.0 -
Wow you are actually beginning to be quite funny about this (in a not at all funny way).TheJezziah said:
So in those 24 mentions you have 1 actual incident mentioned the rest just mentions allegations, discussions and debates.TOPPING said:@TheJezziah
apologies for long post:
"For example, the last week of March 2018 saw renewed focus on Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn’s past support for a graffiti artist called Mear One, who had painted an allegedly antisemitic mural in Tower Hamlets in 2012 (Corbyn objected to the removal of the mural by Tower Hamlets council). This led to a demonstration held outside Parliament and an open letter to Corbyn from Jewish community leadership bodies in late March. Representatives of those same Jewish organisations (including CST) subsequently met Corbyn and his leadership team in late April 2018. This period saw sustained and prominent media and political debate about the question of antisemitism in the Labour Party, and about the broader issue of antisemitism in British society. CST recorded the highest and second-highest monthly antisemitic incident totals for the year in May and April respectively. Similarly, in August a series of allegations of antisemitic behaviour by Labour Party members and by Jeremy Corbyn himself attracted widespread media coverage. There was also an ongoing dispute during the summer of 2018 over whether the party would adopt the International Holocaust Remembrance Association (IHRA) definition of antisemitism (this continued into early September, when the party decided to adopt the definition). These factors may help to explain why the number of antisemitic incidents reported to CST rose from 130 in July 2018 to 150 incidents in August. "
24 mentions of "Labour" in the report.
They draw a direct connection between the activities of Jeremy Corbyn and an increase in anti-semitic incidents. I think your posts, meanwhile, illustrate all we need to know about your view of it all.
But please do read the report. The link was there.0 -
I suspect by the time Labour need a new leader she won't get it (although there is a chance) and if not then probably not at all. I do like Emily though, she is entertaining and very likable.AlastairMeeks said:You get the sense that Emily Thornberry has a warm sense of humour and that helps her a lot. She'd be just fine as Labour leader. I don't think we will ever get to find out though.
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From the Executive Summary:TheJezziah said:
So in those 24 mentions you have 1 actual incident mentioned the rest just mentions allegations, discussions and debates.TOPPING said:@TheJezziah
apologies for long post:
"For example, the last week of March 2018 saw renewed focus on Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn’s past support for a graffiti artist called Mear One, who had painted an allegedly antisemitic mural in Tower Hamlets in 2012 (Corbyn objected to the removal of the mural by Tower Hamlets council). This led to a demonstration held outside Parliament and an open letter to Corbyn from Jewish community leadership bodies in late March. Representatives of those same Jewish organisations (including CST) subsequently met Corbyn and his leadership team in late April 2018. This period saw sustained and prominent media and political debate about the question of antisemitism in the Labour Party, and about the broader issue of antisemitism in British society. CST recorded the highest and second-highest monthly antisemitic incident totals for the year in May and April respectively. Similarly, in August a series of allegations of antisemitic behaviour by Labour Party members and by Jeremy Corbyn himself attracted widespread media coverage. There was also an ongoing dispute during the summer of 2018 over whether the party would adopt the International Holocaust Remembrance Association (IHRA) definition of antisemitism (this continued into early September, when the party decided to adopt the definition). These factors may help to explain why the number of antisemitic incidents reported to CST rose from 130 in July 2018 to 150 incidents in August. "
24 mentions of "Labour" in the report.
"CST recorded 148 incidents in 2018 that were examples of, or related to arguments over, alleged antisemitism in the Labour Party."0 -
Labour needs a new leader now. The current one is the spent leader of a short-lived but declining cult.TheJezziah said:
I suspect by the time Labour need a new leader she won't get it (although there is a chance) and if not then probably not at all. I do like Emily though, she is entertaining and very likable.AlastairMeeks said:You get the sense that Emily Thornberry has a warm sense of humour and that helps her a lot. She'd be just fine as Labour leader. I don't think we will ever get to find out though.
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Yeah. He's obviously used to standing up in court, being prepared, and capable of pursuing an argument. All transferable skills to the HoC. However, he isn't very good in interviews, and I couldn't see him running a national campaign. He also totally lacks the single most important thing for a Labour leader, which is a definable power base in the Party.SeanT said:
He's my MP. I have always perceived him as highly careerist, first, and soft left, second. He was a horribly PC DPP. He's also extremely wooden, and bad on TV, I'm not sure why Labourites see him as a saviour, apart from outright desperation.dixiedean said:
Does Starmer have any politics? Genuine question. As a former DPP and the lawyer brought in to lead on Brexit, I, for one, am totally unaware of where he stands within the Party on any other issue.Stereotomy said:
But Corbyn supporters don't agree with Starmer's politics.nico67 said:You’ll never win an election if the leader of the party is viewed more unfavorably than the party itself . Starmer would be wiping the floor with May if he was Labour leader . How long will the Corbyn groupies remain in a fantasy ?
As a Labour supporter the current situation is very painful!
Has he ever voiced any opinion on health, education or the economy? Is he on the right, centre or soft left of the Party?
I'll say it again, Thornberry is their best choice, on so many levels. She riles people, but the people she riles don't matter. I don't think core Labour voters in the North really care about her flag insult.
She's competent, she's smart, she's quite articulate, she's a woman (finally, a woman leader of Labour) she's got a decent backstory, she will appeal to centrists and Don't Knows, and the middle classes in the south, she is also just about leftwing enough to satisfy most Corbynites.
She's a Remainer who would push for, and accept, a very Soft Brexit.
I think if she were leading Labour they would be 10 points ahead.
If they were led by Ed Balls they would probably be 15-20 points ahead, but he would never be accepted by the lunatic membership.0 -
TBH with such a broad definition it should probably be much more than that, there was a huge amount of argument and many false allegations flying around the place.Endillion said:
From the Executive Summary:TheJezziah said:
So in those 24 mentions you have 1 actual incident mentioned the rest just mentions allegations, discussions and debates.TOPPING said:@TheJezziah
apologies for long post:
"For example, the last week of March 2018 saw renewed focus on Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn’s past support for a graffiti artist called Mear One, who had painted an allegedly antisemitic mural in Tower Hamlets in 2012 (Corbyn objected to the removal of the mural by Tower Hamlets council). This led to a demonstration held outside Parliament and an open letter to Corbyn from Jewish community leadership bodies in late March. Representatives of those same Jewish organisations (including CST) subsequently met Corbyn and his leadership team in late April 2018. This period saw sustained and prominent media and political debate about the question of antisemitism in the Labour Party, and about the broader issue of antisemitism in British society. CST recorded the highest and second-highest monthly antisemitic incident totals for the year in May and April respectively. Similarly, in August a series of allegations of antisemitic behaviour by Labour Party members and by Jeremy Corbyn himself attracted widespread media coverage. There was also an ongoing dispute during the summer of 2018 over whether the party would adopt the International Holocaust Remembrance Association (IHRA) definition of antisemitism (this continued into early September, when the party decided to adopt the definition). These factors may help to explain why the number of antisemitic incidents reported to CST rose from 130 in July 2018 to 150 incidents in August. "
24 mentions of "Labour" in the report.
"CST recorded 148 incidents in 2018 that were examples of, or related to arguments over, alleged antisemitism in the Labour Party."0 -
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Female Labour leaders are like the second coming of Christ - it could happen and maybe soon but a couple of millennia could pass before it happens, if ever.AlastairMeeks said:
Labour needs a new leader now. The current one is the spent leader of a short-lived but declining cult.TheJezziah said:
I suspect by the time Labour need a new leader she won't get it (although there is a chance) and if not then probably not at all. I do like Emily though, she is entertaining and very likable.AlastairMeeks said:You get the sense that Emily Thornberry has a warm sense of humour and that helps her a lot. She'd be just fine as Labour leader. I don't think we will ever get to find out though.
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Are you actually trying to argue that Labour supporters are, on the whole, more anti-semitic than the report suggests?!TheJezziah said:
TBH with such a broad definition it should probably be much more than that, there was a huge amount of argument and many false allegations flying around the place.Endillion said:
From the Executive Summary:TheJezziah said:
So in those 24 mentions you have 1 actual incident mentioned the rest just mentions allegations, discussions and debates.TOPPING said:@TheJezziah
apologies for long post:
"For example... "
24 mentions of "Labour" in the report.
"CST recorded 148 incidents in 2018 that were examples of, or related to arguments over, alleged antisemitism in the Labour Party."0 -
People do seem to have a strange problem with me responding to things that they actually post rather than the things they don't post. I'm sure Corbyn is linked to a rise in allegations and arguments that in itself is meaningless though.TOPPING said:
Wow you are actually beginning to be quite funny about this (in a not at all funny way).TheJezziah said:
So in those 24 mentions you have 1 actual incident mentioned the rest just mentions allegations, discussions and debates.TOPPING said:@TheJezziah
apologies for long post:
"For example, the last week of March 2018 saw renewed focus on Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn’s past support for a graffiti artist called Mear One, who had painted an allegedly antisemitic mural in Tower Hamlets in 2012 (Corbyn objected to the removal of the mural by Tower Hamlets council). This led to a demonstration held outside Parliament and an open letter to Corbyn from Jewish community leadership bodies in late March. Representatives of those same Jewish organisations (including CST) subsequently met Corbyn and his leadership team in late April 2018. This period saw sustained and prominent media and political debate about the question of antisemitism in the Labour Party, and about the broader issue of antisemitism in British society. CST recorded the highest and second-highest monthly antisemitic incident totals for the year in May and April respectively. Similarly, in August a series of allegations of antisemitic behaviour by Labour Party members and by Jeremy Corbyn himself attracted widespread media coverage. There was also an ongoing dispute during the summer of 2018 over whether the party would adopt the International Holocaust Remembrance Association (IHRA) definition of antisemitism (this continued into early September, when the party decided to adopt the definition). These factors may help to explain why the number of antisemitic incidents reported to CST rose from 130 in July 2018 to 150 incidents in August. "
24 mentions of "Labour" in the report.
They draw a direct connection between the activities of Jeremy Corbyn and an increase in anti-semitic incidents. I think your posts, meanwhile, illustrate all we need to know about your view of it all.
But please do read the report. The link was there.
TBH we have had your views previously on the issue on as well, I believe you made an anti semitic comparison between Jews and Israel last time we discussed the issue so a little less high and mighty is probably for the best.0 -
:-)viewcode said:Did he have a rubber on the end of his pencil? Because...
Well quite.
But no, he was deadly serious about this DIODIR business. His view was that it promoted discipline and focus if you knew you only got one shot at something.
Funny, because he was on his third wife IIRC.0 -
Nope. They filter out much of the casual bullying which people attempt to say is anti-semitism.TheJezziah said:
TBH with such a broad definition it should probably be much more than that, there was a huge amount of argument and many false allegations flying around the place.Endillion said:
From the Executive Summary:TheJezziah said:
So in those 24 mentions you have 1 actual incident mentioned the rest just mentions allegations, discussions and debates.TOPPING said:@TheJezziah
apologies for long post:
"For example, the last week of March 2018 saw renewed focus on Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn’s past support for a graffiti artist called Mear One, who had painted an allegedly antisemitic mural in Tower Hamlets in 2012 (Corbyn objected to the removal of the mural by Tower Hamlets council). This led to a demonstration held outside Parliament and an open letter to Corbyn from Jewish community leadership bodies in late March. Representatives of those same Jewish organisations (including CST) subsequently met Corbyn and his leadership team in late April 2018. This period saw sustained and prominent media and political debate about the question of antisemitism in the Labour Party, and about the broader issue of antisemitism in British society. CST recorded the highest and second-highest monthly antisemitic incident totals for the year in May and April respectively. Similarly, in August a series of allegations of antisemitic behaviour by Labour Party members and by Jeremy Corbyn himself attracted widespread media coverage. There was also an ongoing dispute during the summer of 2018 over whether the party would adopt the International Holocaust Remembrance Association (IHRA) definition of antisemitism (this continued into early September, when the party decided to adopt the definition). These factors may help to explain why the number of antisemitic incidents reported to CST rose from 130 in July 2018 to 150 incidents in August. "
24 mentions of "Labour" in the report.
"CST recorded 148 incidents in 2018 that were examples of, or related to arguments over, alleged antisemitism in the Labour Party."
1. Group of youths pick on openly Jewish person, push him around = not anti-semitic.
2. Group of youths pick on openly Jewish person, call him dirty Jew = anti-semitic incident.
Not that I would want to tip you out of your nothing to see here comfort zone, that said.0 -
Ignoring the morality piece, is there much evidence to suggest that the public cares about anti-semitism?Richard_Nabavi said:I don't know if we've already covered this, but I thought it was absolutely extraordinary that nearly a tenth of all recorded antisemitic incidents in the UK in 2018 were associated with the Labour Party:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/feb/07/antisemitic-incidents-uk-record-high-third-year-in-row-community-security-trust
What is even more extraordinary is the denial about it (well illustrated here by some of our Corbyn fans).
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Being thought to be less or more anti-semitic is not a hindrance for the Labour Party.matt said:
Ignoring the morality piece, is there much evidence to suggest that the public cares about anti-semitism?Richard_Nabavi said:I don't know if we've already covered this, but I thought it was absolutely extraordinary that nearly a tenth of all recorded antisemitic incidents in the UK in 2018 were associated with the Labour Party:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/feb/07/antisemitic-incidents-uk-record-high-third-year-in-row-community-security-trust
What is even more extraordinary is the denial about it (well illustrated here by some of our Corbyn fans).0 -
Oh dear , have you been on the sauce, she is a useless donkey.SeanT said:This YouGov article agrees with me. The most significant politician in the country with noticeable net approval ratings is Ruth Davidson. You have to look quite hard for any others.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/11/06/boris-and-pm-are-britains-most-popular-politicians0 -
No, not really at the moment. The political effect is within Labour, and especially as a part of the forces pushing out sane and decent MPs and other key figures.matt said:
Ignoring the morality piece, is there much evidence to suggest that the public cares about anti-semitism?Richard_Nabavi said:I don't know if we've already covered this, but I thought it was absolutely extraordinary that nearly a tenth of all recorded antisemitic incidents in the UK in 2018 were associated with the Labour Party:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/feb/07/antisemitic-incidents-uk-record-high-third-year-in-row-community-security-trust
What is even more extraordinary is the denial about it (well illustrated here by some of our Corbyn fans).0 -
AS they say sh** floats, hence why Labour and Tories are heard.Stereotomy said:
Surely saying nothing is a perfect articulation of what they stand for. Their rallying cry is "Can't we all just go back to a few years ago when things were nicer?"El_Capitano said:
The first problem is a lack of energy. Cable isn't a bad politician though he's still a bit tainted by the Coalition. But the most visible Lib Dems in the media right now are (in order) Layla Moran, Tom Brake, Jo Swinson, and only then Cable. When your education spokesman is more visible than your leader, you know that you've got issues with the leader.Stereotomy said:
I mean, I don't disagree. But until I hear what he's doing wrong and why it's stifling the lib dem comeback, complaints about Vince seem like a fig-leaf for centrist remainers who are in denial about how unpopular their worldview currently is.SeanT said:
Yes, he should be retiring from frontline politics.Stereotomy said:By the way, do any of the people here who constantly complain about Vince Cable's crapness have any suggestions about what he should be doing differently?
The second problem is a failure to articulate what the Lib Dems stand for other than being anti-Brexit. Labour is for an interventionist state and universal benefits. The Conservatives under May are for social authoritarianism, low intervention in business, and nativism. What do Cable's Lib Dems believe? Are they interventionist or laissez-faire? Will they, say, invest in the railways like Labour, or try and reduce their demands on the public purse like the Tories? I couldn't even tell you and I'm expecting to vote Lib Dem at the May locals.
As for visibility, I think the problem might be that they have a simple, clear, almost-universally-agreed-on stance on Brexit. Which is boring. The splits and strife in the Tory and Labour parties dominate the news. This puts the Lib Dems in a similar position to the SNP, who you also rarely hear from on Brexit (except the occasional boring statement nobody remembers or cares about).0 -
At one stage of my life my epitome of 'crossness' to a student was 'In this life one can be useful or beautiful. You are neither!"viewcode said:
My dad had something similar: "You can have it quick, good or cheap. Pick any two."OldKingCole said:
There's a pharmaceutical saying (probably used elsewhere, too); 'You can have it quick or you can have it right!'viewcode said:
Did he have a rubber on the end of his pencil? Because...kinabalu said:
DIODIR - do it once, do it right. This is what one of my old big bosses at Lehman Bros used to preach. And 'preach' was the word. He even used to hand out paperweights with that (DIODIR) written on them.SeanT said:See I wrote "reject" twice in the same paragraph. That's shoddy English, and I would normally and quickly amend it. But I can't, because no Edit button.
This is bad. It is going to make PB much less euphonious. Comments with glaring errors, prosodical, political and statistical, will litter the page like dog poo.
Can we have the EDIT button back, please. Thanks.
What a prat, that guy was.0 -
Holy crapSeanT said:
Unusually, I disagree with you. Yes she is a bit too big government, but she is nonetheless relaxed, smart, clever, with a great backstory. She seems actively normal, sane, sensible and capable, unlike 95% of politicians. She reminds me of Sturgeon - before power and office took its toll on the Scottish FM.TGOHF said:
She's popular in the same way Ken Clarke is - anodyne, middle of the road and doesn't offend the foaming mouthed Labour hordes as much as other Conservatives.SeanT said:This YouGov article agrees with me. The most significant politician in the country with noticeable net approval ratings is Ruth Davidson. You have to look quite hard for any others.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/11/06/boris-and-pm-are-britains-most-popular-politicians
Could such a wet big government type ever lead the Con party ? Let's hope not.
The Tories are lucky to have her in Scotland (and so is the Union), but dammit I wish she was in Number 10.0 -
Disagree on the body shape. It's not flimsy but she carries it well. Also disagree on the 'flag' thing. I don't think that has stuck. Thornberry has an earthy sense of humour and a no nonsense way of talking that IMO would have blue collar appeal in a GE.TGOHF said:Too fat though. Britain will never elect a fat female PM anytime soon.
And a horrendous PC London luvvie who will forever be judge by her flag tweet which showed how out of touch she is. Kryptonite north of Luton
She is also a smoker - the real things not the vaping - and that has to help tremendously in many of the target marginals.0 -
I doubt that last but I'm sure you will remind me how/what.TheJezziah said:
People do seem to have a strange problem with me responding to things that they actually post rather than the things they don't post. I'm sure Corbyn is linked to a rise in allegations and arguments that in itself is meaningless though.TOPPING said:
Wow you are actually beginning to be quite funny about this (in a not at all funny way).TheJezziah said:
So in those 24 mentions you have 1 actual incident mentioned the rest just mentions allegations, discussions and debates.TOPPING said:@TheJezziah
apologies for long post:
"Fst. "
24 mentions of "Labour" in the report.
They draw a direct connection between the activities of Jeremy Corbyn and an increase in anti-semitic incidents. I think your posts, meanwhile, illustrate all we need to know about your view of it all.
But please do read the report. The link was there.
TBH we have had your views previously on the issue on as well, I believe you made an anti semitic comparison between Jews and Israel last time we discussed the issue so a little less high and mighty is probably for the best.
In the meantime, we have a report out by some Jewish organisation which directly alludes to a connection between Jeremy Corbyn's antics and an increase in anti-semitic incidents. But as far as you are concerned, as "it's only 1 actual incident" (have you read the whole report? I haven't) it's not that important so you dismiss the whole thing.
Is "1 incident" your threshold for it to be ok for Jeremy Corbyn's antics to be linked to a rise in anti-semitic incidents?0 -
Ahh, I'm not really sure where you are struggling...Endillion said:
Are you actually trying to argue that Labour supporters are, on the whole, more anti-semitic than the report suggests?!TheJezziah said:Endillion said:
From the Executive Summary:TheJezziah said:
So in those 24 mentions you have 1 actual incident mentioned the rest just mentions allegations, discussions and debates.TOPPING said:@TheJezziah
apologies for long post:
"For example... "
24 mentions of "Labour" in the report.
"CST recorded 148 incidents in 2018 that were examples of, or related to arguments over, alleged antisemitism in the Labour Party."
Lets try it again...
You quoted "CST recorded 148 incidents in 2018 that were examples of, or related to arguments over, alleged antisemitism in the Labour Party."
And I said
TBH with such a broad definition it should probably be much more than that, there was a huge amount of argument and many false allegations flying around the place.
I'm not sure what part was the struggle?
Another way to say it might be... There should maybe be more as many untrue claims were made and much disagreement was had.0 -
Er... She 3 years older than you. How can Milf be appropriate?SeanT said:
Yes, I confessed my deviant desires for her Milfy charms a couple of days back. Apols for the image.Nigelb said:
Don't encourage him - he already has.Peter_the_Punter said:
Admit it Sean, you have the hots for her.SeanT said:
He's my MP. I have always perceived him as highly careerist, first, and soft left, second. He was a horribly PC DPP. He's also extremely wooden, and bad on TV, I'm not sure why Labourites see him as a saviour, apart from outright desperation.dixiedean said:
Does Starmer have any politics? Genuine question. As a former DPP and the lawyer brought in to lead on Brexit, I, for one, am totally unaware of where he stands within the Party on any other issue.Stereotomy said:
But Corbyn supporters don't agree with Starmer's politics.nico67 said:You’ll never win an election if the leader of the party is viewed more unfavorably than the party itself . Starmer would be wiping the floor with May if he was Labour leader . How long will the Corbyn groupies remain in a fantasy ?
As a Labour supporter the current situation is very painful!
Has he ever voiced any opinion on health, education or the economy? Is he on the right, centre or soft left of the Party?
I'll say it again, Thornberry is their best choice, on so many levels. She riles people, but the people she riles don't matter. I don't think core Labour voters in the North really care about her flag insult.
She's competent, she's smart, she's quite articulate, she's a woman (finally, a woman leader of Labour) she's got a decent backstory, she will appeal to centrists and Don't Knows, and the middle classes in the south, she is also just about leftwing enough to satisfy most Corbynites.
She's a Remainer who would push for, and accept, a very Soft Brexit.
I think if she were leading Labour they would be 10 points ahead.
If they were led by Ed Balls they would probably be 15-20 points ahead, but he would never be accepted by the lunatic membership.0 -
How about Mark Francois as Conservative leader?SeanT said:
Unusually, I disagree with you. Yes she is a bit too big government, but she is nonetheless relaxed, smart, clever, with a great backstory. She seems actively normal, sane, sensible and capable, unlike 95% of politicians. She reminds me of Sturgeon - before power and office took its toll on the Scottish FM.TGOHF said:
She's popular in the same way Ken Clarke is - anodyne, middle of the road and doesn't offend the foaming mouthed Labour hordes as much as other Conservatives.SeanT said:This YouGov article agrees with me. The most significant politician in the country with noticeable net approval ratings is Ruth Davidson. You have to look quite hard for any others.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/11/06/boris-and-pm-are-britains-most-popular-politicians
Could such a wet big government type ever lead the Con party ? Let's hope not.
The Tories are lucky to have her in Scotland (and so is the Union), but dammit I wish she was in Number 10.0 -
Distance from her vapid shouty mouthings obviously dulling your senses, apart from sitting on tanks, Buffalo etc she has done nothing.malcolmg said:
Holy crapSeanT said:
Unusually, I disagree with you. Yes she is a bit too big government, but she is nonetheless relaxed, smart, clever, with a great backstory. She seems actively normal, sane, sensible and capable, unlike 95% of politicians. She reminds me of Sturgeon - before power and office took its toll on the Scottish FM.TGOHF said:
She's popular in the same way Ken Clarke is - anodyne, middle of the road and doesn't offend the foaming mouthed Labour hordes as much as other Conservatives.SeanT said:This YouGov article agrees with me. The most significant politician in the country with noticeable net approval ratings is Ruth Davidson. You have to look quite hard for any others.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/11/06/boris-and-pm-are-britains-most-popular-politicians
Could such a wet big government type ever lead the Con party ? Let's hope not.
The Tories are lucky to have her in Scotland (and so is the Union), but dammit I wish she was in Number 10.
Has more faces than the town clock and no principles.0 -
She's had nothing meaningful to say on Brexit before March, what will have changed by then?williamglenn said:
And she’s on maternity leave... surely she has to say something meaningful about Brexit before the end of March?SeanT said:This YouGov article agrees with me. The most significant politician in the country with noticeable net approval ratings is Ruth Davidson. You have to look quite hard for any others.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/11/06/boris-and-pm-are-britains-most-popular-politicians0 -
Why do we persist with this Vanilla shite btw?
We could knock up a Wordpress site in a couple of days that would work much better.0 -
Meanwhile, just another malign effect of Brexit:
https://twitter.com/tashahinde/status/10938429229765672960 -
They'd be totally wiped out.Sean_F said:
How about Mark Francois as Conservative leader?SeanT said:
Unusually, I disagree with you. Yes she is a bit too big government, but she is nonetheless relaxed, smart, clever, with a great backstory. She seems actively normal, sane, sensible and capable, unlike 95% of politicians. She reminds me of Sturgeon - before power and office took its toll on the Scottish FM.TGOHF said:
She's popular in the same way Ken Clarke is - anodyne, middle of the road and doesn't offend the foaming mouthed Labour hordes as much as other Conservatives.SeanT said:This YouGov article agrees with me. The most significant politician in the country with noticeable net approval ratings is Ruth Davidson. You have to look quite hard for any others.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/11/06/boris-and-pm-are-britains-most-popular-politicians
Could such a wet big government type ever lead the Con party ? Let's hope not.
The Tories are lucky to have her in Scotland (and so is the Union), but dammit I wish she was in Number 10.
He gets my vote!0 -
Extra therapy sessions will help offset some of the economic slowdown. though.AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, just another malign effect of Brexit:
https://twitter.com/tashahinde/status/10938429229765672960 -
These people need to turn off their screens and get some fresh air.AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, just another malign effect of Brexit:
https://twitter.com/tashahinde/status/10938429229765672960 -
He would be killed by Cons MPs before he reached the dispatch box.Sean_F said:
How about Mark Francois as Conservative leader?SeanT said:
Unusually, I disagree with you. Yes she is a bit too big government, but she is nonetheless relaxed, smart, clever, with a great backstory. She seems actively normal, sane, sensible and capable, unlike 95% of politicians. She reminds me of Sturgeon - before power and office took its toll on the Scottish FM.TGOHF said:
She's popular in the same way Ken Clarke is - anodyne, middle of the road and doesn't offend the foaming mouthed Labour hordes as much as other Conservatives.SeanT said:This YouGov article agrees with me. The most significant politician in the country with noticeable net approval ratings is Ruth Davidson. You have to look quite hard for any others.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/11/06/boris-and-pm-are-britains-most-popular-politicians
Could such a wet big government type ever lead the Con party ? Let's hope not.
The Tories are lucky to have her in Scotland (and so is the Union), but dammit I wish she was in Number 10.0 -
I feel a bit meh about that Alastair - anyone who can afford a therapist is unlikely to be on the receiving end of the serious impact of Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, just another malign effect of Brexit:
https://twitter.com/tashahinde/status/10938429229765672960 -
You were trying to smear Corbyn but went too far into Jews and Israel thing, easily done to accidentally smear people you apparently want to defend when attacking political rivals, that is if it is all about attacking a political rival rather than defending the group as claiming.TOPPING said:
I doubt that last but I'm sure you will remind me how/what.TheJezziah said:
People do seem to have a strange problem with me responding to things that they actually post rather than the things they don't post. I'm sure Corbyn is linked to a rise in allegations and arguments that in itself is meaningless though.TOPPING said:
Wow you are actually beginning to be quite funny about this (in a not at all funny way).TheJezziah said:
So in those 24 mentions you have 1 actual incident mentioned the rest just mentions allegations, discussions and debates.TOPPING said:@TheJezziah
apologies for long post:
"Fst. "
24 mentions of "Labour" in the report.
They draw a direct connection between the activities of Jeremy Corbyn and an increase in anti-semitic incidents. I think your posts, meanwhile, illustrate all we need to know about your view of it all.
But please do read the report. The link was there.
TBH we have had your views previously on the issue on as well, I believe you made an anti semitic comparison between Jews and Israel last time we discussed the issue so a little less high and mighty is probably for the best.
In the meantime, we have a report out by some Jewish organisation which directly alludes to a connection between Jeremy Corbyn's antics and an increase in anti-semitic incidents. But as far as you are concerned, as "it's only 1 actual incident" (have you read the whole report? I haven't) it's not that important so you dismiss the whole thing.
Is "1 incident" your threshold for it to be ok for Jeremy Corbyn's antics to be linked to a rise in anti-semitic incidents?
Direct allusion is lovely some proof would be a fine thing though and as we know it is damn tricky to prove a negative so I won't hold my breath here.
It is one incident in that part you quoted to me earlier.0 -
'Milfenlust'SeanT said:
Is she?? She looks good for her age. Genuinely didn't know that. I'd have had her as late 40s, maybe 50.Benpointer said:
Er... She 3 years older than you. How can Milf be appropriate?SeanT said:
Yes, I confessed my deviant desires for her Milfy charms a couple of days back. Apols for the image.Nigelb said:
Don't encourage him - he already has.Peter_the_Punter said:
Admit it Sean, you have the hots for her.SeanT said:
He's my MP. I have always perceived him as highly careerist, first, and soft left, second. He was a horribly PC DPP. He's also extremely wooden, and bad on TV, I'm not sure why Labourites see him as a saviour, apart from outright desperation.dixiedean said:
Does Starmer have any politics? Genuine question. As a former DPP and the lawyer brought in to lead on Brexit, I, for one, am totally unaware of where he stands within the Party on any other issue.Stereotomy said:
But Corbyn supporters don't agree with Starmer's politics.nico67 said:You’ll never win an election if the leader of the party is viewed more unfavorably than the party itself . Starmer would be wiping the floor with May if he was Labour leader . How long will the Corbyn groupies remain in a fantasy ?
As a Labour supporter the current situation is very painful!
Has he ever voiced any opinion on health, education or the economy? Is he on the right, centre or soft left of the Party?
I'll say it again, Thornberry is their best choice, on so many levels. She riles people, but the people she riles don't matter. I don't think core Labour voters in the North really care about her flag insult.
She's competent, she's smart, she's quite articulate, she's a woman (finally, a woman leader of Labour) she's got a decent backstory, she will appeal to centrists and Don't Knows, and the middle classes in the south, she is also just about leftwing enough to satisfy most Corbynites.
She's a Remainer who would push for, and accept, a very Soft Brexit.
I think if she were leading Labour they would be 10 points ahead.
If they were led by Ed Balls they would probably be 15-20 points ahead, but he would never be accepted by the lunatic membership.
I really am bewildered by my odd attraction to her. She is the opposite of my normal type, which is, happily, like my wife: young, elfin etc.
There must be some enormous German word coined by Freud for "someone unexpected you find sexually attractive for reasons you don't understand"0 -
Not only is the new Labour membership and party a participant in this, but the general passivity of senior figures, and their unwillingness to deal with it has led to a normalisation of antisemitism. This emboldens deeply unpleasant people from across the whole political spectrum. Dark times.Richard_Nabavi said:There's a fuller account of the antisemitism report here:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-anti-semitism-breaks-record-high-for-3rd-year-in-a-row-says-watchdog/
Some pretty horrendous stuff there.0 -
UnerwarteteliebesfreudeSeanT said:
Is she?? She looks good for her age. Genuinely didn't know that. I'd have had her as late 40s, maybe 50.Benpointer said:
Er... She 3 years older than you. How can Milf be appropriate?SeanT said:
Yes, I confessed my deviant desires for her Milfy charms a couple of days back. Apols for the image.Nigelb said:
Don't encourage him - he already has.Peter_the_Punter said:
Admit it Sean, you have the hots for her.SeanT said:
He's my MP. I have always perceived him as highly careerist, first, and soft left, second. He was a horribly PC DPP. He's also extremely wooden, and bad on TV, I'm not sure why Labourites see him as a saviour, apart from outright desperation.dixiedean said:
Does Starmer have any politics? Genuine question. As a former DPP and the lawyer brought in to lead on Brexit, I, for one, am totally unaware of where he stands within the Party on any other issue.Stereotomy said:
But Corbyn supporters don't agree with Starmer's politics.nico67 said:You’ll never win an election if the leader of the party is viewed more unfavorably than the party itself . Starmer would be wiping the floor with May if he was Labour leader . How long will the Corbyn groupies remain in a fantasy ?
As a Labour supporter the current situation is very painful!
Has he ever voiced any opinion on health, education or the economy? Is he on the right, centre or soft left of the Party?
I'll say it again, Thornberry is their best choice, on so many levels. She riles people, but the people she riles don't matter. I don't think core Labour voters in the North really care about her flag insult.
She's competent, she's smart, she's quite articulate, she's a woman (finally, a woman leader of Labour) she's got a decent backstory, she will appeal to centrists and Don't Knows, and the middle classes in the south, she is also just about leftwing enough to satisfy most Corbynites.
She's a Remainer who would push for, and accept, a very Soft Brexit.
I think if she were leading Labour they would be 10 points ahead.
If they were led by Ed Balls they would probably be 15-20 points ahead, but he would never be accepted by the lunatic membership.
I really am bewildered by my odd attraction to her. She is the opposite of my normal type, which is, happily, like my wife: young, elfin etc.
There must be some enormous German word coined by Freud for "someone unexpected you find sexually attractive for reasons you don't understand"0 -
It's French, but doesn't "jolie laide" cover it?SeanT said:
Is she?? She looks good for her age. Genuinely didn't know that. I'd have had her as late 40s, maybe 50.Benpointer said:
Er... She 3 years older than you. How can Milf be appropriate?SeanT said:
Yes, I confessed my deviant desires for her Milfy charms a couple of days back. Apols for the image.Nigelb said:
Don't encourage him - he already has.Peter_the_Punter said:
Admit it Sean, you have the hots for her.SeanT said:
He's my MP. I have always perceived him as highly careerist, first, and soft left, second. He was a horribly PC DPP. He's also extremely wooden, and bad on TV, I'm not sure why Labourites see him as a saviour, apart from outright desperation.dixiedean said:
Does Starmer have any politics? Genuine question. As a former DPP and the lawyer brought in to lead on Brexit, I, for one, am totally unaware of where he stands within the Party on any other issue.Stereotomy said:
But Corbyn supporters don't agree with Starmer's politics.nico67 said:You’ll never win an election if the leader of the party is viewed more unfavorably than the party itself . Starmer would be wiping the floor with May if he was Labour leader . How long will the Corbyn groupies remain in a fantasy ?
As a Labour supporter the current situation is very painful!
Has he ever voiced any opinion on health, education or the economy? Is he on the right, centre or soft left of the Party?
I'll say it again, Thornberry is their best choice, on so many levels. She riles people, but the people she riles don't matter. I don't think core Labour voters in the North really care about her flag insult.
She's competent, she's smart, she's quite articulate, she's a woman (finally, a woman leader of Labour) she's got a decent backstory, she will appeal to centrists and Don't Knows, and the middle classes in the south, she is also just about leftwing enough to satisfy most Corbynites.
She's a Remainer who would push for, and accept, a very Soft Brexit.
I think if she were leading Labour they would be 10 points ahead.
If they were led by Ed Balls they would probably be 15-20 points ahead, but he would never be accepted by the lunatic membership.
I really am bewildered by my odd attraction to her. She is the opposite of my normal type, which is, happily, like my wife: young, elfin etc.
There must be some enormous German word coined by Freud for "someone unexpected you find sexually attractive for reasons you don't understand"0 -
... and that's BEFORE Corbyn wrecks the country. Macron at least has made some decisions that affect people, so has some excuse for being unpopular.SouthamObserver said:Corbyn is less popular in the UK than Macron is in France!
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Labour have a perception issue. Corbyn supporters think he is already popular, and he will somehow improve Labours fortunes again during the course of another election campaign.rottenborough said:
"How long will the Corbyn groupies remain in a fantasy ?"nico67 said:You’ll never win an election if the leader of the party is viewed more unfavorably than the party itself . Starmer would be wiping the floor with May if he was Labour leader . How long will the Corbyn groupies remain in a fantasy ?
As a Labour supporter the current situation is very painful!
Until Labour are slaughtered in a GE.
Even then I wonder.0 -
For Thornberry it would be "die schnapsidee".SeanT said:
Is she?? She looks good for her age. Genuinely didn't know that. I'd have had her as late 40s, maybe 50.Benpointer said:
Er... She 3 years older than you. How can Milf be appropriate?SeanT said:
Yes, I confessed my deviant desires for her Milfy charms a couple of days back. Apols for the image.Nigelb said:
Don't encourage him - he already has.Peter_the_Punter said:
Admit it Sean, you have the hots for her.SeanT said:
He's my MP. I have always perceived him as highly careerist, first, and soft left, second. He was a horribly PC DPP. He's also extremely wooden, and bad on TV, I'm not sure why Labourites see him as a saviour, apart from outright desperation.dixiedean said:
Does Starmer have any politics? Genuine question. As a former DPP and the lawyer brought in to lead on Brexit, I, for one, am totally unaware of where he stands within the Party on any other issue.Stereotomy said:
But Corbyn supporters don't agree with Starmer's politics.nico67 said:You’ll never win an election if the leader of the party is viewed more unfavorably than the party itself . Starmer would be wiping the floor with May if he was Labour leader . How long will the Corbyn groupies remain in a fantasy ?
As a Labour supporter the current situation is very painful!
Has he ever voiced any opinion on health, education or the economy? Is he on the right, centre or soft left of the Party?
I'll say it again, Thornberry is their best choice, on so many levels. She riles people, but the people she riles don't matter. I don't think core Labour voters in the North really care about her flag insult.
She's competent, she's smart, she's quite articulate, she's a woman (finally, a woman leader of Labour) she's got a decent backstory, she will appeal to centrists and Don't Knows, and the middle classes in the south, she is also just about leftwing enough to satisfy most Corbynites.
She's a Remainer who would push for, and accept, a very Soft Brexit.
I think if she were leading Labour they would be 10 points ahead.
If they were led by Ed Balls they would probably be 15-20 points ahead, but he would never be accepted by the lunatic membership.
I really am bewildered by my odd attraction to her. She is the opposite of my normal type, which is, happily, like my wife: young, elfin etc.
There must be some enormous German word coined by Freud for "someone unexpected you find sexually attractive for reasons you don't understand"
An idea that only seems good after gallons of strong liquor.
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The Greek is gerontophiliaSeanT said:
Is she?? She looks good for her age. Genuinely didn't know that. I'd have had her as late 40s, maybe 50.Benpointer said:
Er... She 3 years older than you. How can Milf be appropriate?SeanT said:
Yes, I confessed my deviant desires for her Milfy charms a couple of days back. Apols for the image.Nigelb said:
Don't encourage him - he already has.Peter_the_Punter said:
Admit it Sean, you have the hots for her.SeanT said:
He's my MP. I have always perceived him as highly careerist, first, and soft left, second. He was a horribly PC DPP. He's also extremely wooden, and bad on TV, I'm not sure why Labourites see him as a saviour, apart from outright desperation.dixiedean said:
Does Starmer have any politics? Genuine question. As a former DPP and the lawyer brought in to lead on Brexit, I, for one, am totally unaware of where he stands within the Party on any other issue.Stereotomy said:
But Corbyn supporters don't agree with Starmer's politics.nico67 said:You’ll never win an election if the leader of the party is viewed more unfavorably than the party itself . Starmer would be wiping the floor with May if he was Labour leader . How long will the Corbyn groupies remain in a fantasy ?
As a Labour supporter the current situation is very painful!
Has he ever voiced any opinion on health, education or the economy? Is he on the right, centre or soft left of the Party?
I'll say it again, Thornberry is their best choice, on so many levels. She riles people, but the people she riles don't matter. I don't think core Labour voters in the North really care about her flag insult.
She's competent, she's smart, she's quite articulate, she's a woman (finally, a woman leader of Labour) she's got a decent backstory, she will appeal to centrists and Don't Knows, and the middle classes in the south, she is also just about leftwing enough to satisfy most Corbynites.
She's a Remainer who would push for, and accept, a very Soft Brexit.
I think if she were leading Labour they would be 10 points ahead.
If they were led by Ed Balls they would probably be 15-20 points ahead, but he would never be accepted by the lunatic membership.
I really am bewildered by my odd attraction to her. She is the opposite of my normal type, which is, happily, like my wife: young, elfin etc.
There must be some enormous German word coined by Freud for "someone unexpected you find sexually attractive for reasons you don't understand"0 -
I see what happened. You used the phrase "false allegations" to mean "false accusations of anti-semitism". I took it to mean Lyou acknowledging there were a lot of Labour supporters on social media throwing around huge numbers of false allegations, some of which were anti-semitic (eg Jewish Labour MPs being given orders by Mossad to undermine Corbyn).TheJezziah said:
Ahh, I'm not really sure where you are struggling...Endillion said:
Are you actually trying to argue that Labour supporters are, on the whole, more anti-semitic than the report suggests?!TheJezziah said:Endillion said:
From the Executive Summary:TheJezziah said:
So in those 24 mentions you have 1 actual incident mentioned the rest just mentions allegations, discussions and debates.TOPPING said:@TheJezziah
apologies for long post:
"For example... "
24 mentions of "Labour" in the report.
"CST recorded 148 incidents in 2018 that were examples of, or related to arguments over, alleged antisemitism in the Labour Party."
Lets try it again...
You quoted "CST recorded 148 incidents in 2018 that were examples of, or related to arguments over, alleged antisemitism in the Labour Party."
And I said
TBH with such a broad definition it should probably be much more than that, there was a huge amount of argument and many false allegations flying around the place.
I'm not sure what part was the struggle?
Another way to say it might be... There should maybe be more as many untrue claims were made and much disagreement was had.
This is from page 39 of the report, which explains why the figure is not much higher:
CST does not proactively trawl for antisemitic incidents on social media, but only records them if they are reported to CST by a victim or witness, and if it can be shown that either the victim or the offender is based in the United Kingdom. In addition, if, for example, a high-profile Jewish individual is subjected to a concentrated campaign of antisemitic abuse and harassment involving hundreds or thousands of antisemitic tweets, CST will record this campaign as a single incident, rather than logging each individual tweet as
a separate incident; to do otherwise would be impractical and would render CST’s overall incident statistics unintelligible.
This all means that the number of social media incidents recorded in this report is
only indicative, rather than being a guide to the actual number of antisemitic tweets,
comments and posts in the United Kingdom in 2018, which is certain to be far higher.
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IMO, All those who add a hashtag to their name on social media should be made to eat pineapple pizza and drink boxed wine while only be able to watch Radiohead live at Glastonbury on any streaming device until they repent! No tits and dragons for that lot!SeanT said:0 -
1. ie you can't remember what it was and hence forgive me if I don't set too much store by it; andTheJezziah said:
You were trying to smear Corbyn but went too far into Jews and Israel thing, easily done to accidentally smear people you apparently want to defend when attacking political rivals, that is if it is all about attacking a political rival rather than defending the group as claiming.TOPPING said:
I doubt that last but I'm sure you will remind me how/what.TheJezziah said:
People do seem to have a strange problem with me responding to things that they actually post rather than the things they don't post. I'm sure Corbyn is linked to a rise in allegations and arguments that in itself is meaningless though.TOPPING said:
Wow you are actually beginning to be quite funny about this (in a not at all funny way).TheJezziah said:
So in those 24 mentions you have 1 actual incident mentioned the rest just mentions allegations, discussions and debates.TOPPING said:@TheJezziah
apologies for long post:
"Fst. "
24 mentions of "Labour" in the report.
They draw a direct connection between the activities of Jeremy Corbyn and an increase in anti-semitic incidents. I think your posts, meanwhile, illustrate all we need to know about your view of it all.
But please do read the report. The link was there.
TBH we have had your views previously on the issue on as well, I believe you made an anti semitic comparison between Jews and Israel last time we discussed the issue so a little less high and mighty is probably for the best.
In the meantime, we have a report out by some Jewish organisation which directly alludes to a connection between Jeremy Corbyn's antics and an increase in anti-semitic incidents. But as far as you are concerned, as "it's only 1 actual incident" (have you read the whole report? I haven't) it's not that important so you dismiss the whole thing.
Is "1 incident" your threshold for it to be ok for Jeremy Corbyn's antics to be linked to a rise in anti-semitic incidents?
Direct allusion is lovely some proof would be a fine thing though and as we know it is damn tricky to prove a negative so I won't hold my breath here.
It is one incident in that part you quoted to me earlier.
2. one incident out of the two I quoted to you hence a 50% strike rate.
But you didn't answer the question - is "1 incident" (out of however many quoted) your threshold for it to be ok for Jeremy Corbyn's antics to be linked to a rise in anti-semitic incidents?0 -
Alternatively Geschmacksverirrung - would also cover Farage thinking mustard cords can be worn ever.0
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Running a forum / comment site is harder work than you imagine - Vanilla do a lot of things behind the scenes that you won't seeBenpointer said:Why do we persist with this Vanilla shite btw?
We could knock up a Wordpress site in a couple of days that would work much better.0 -
Wait until the EU ram through article 11 and 13....eek said:
Running a forum / comment site is harder work than you imagine - Vanilla do a lot of things behind the scenes that you won't seeBenpointer said:Why do we persist with this Vanilla shite btw?
We could knock up a Wordpress site in a couple of days that would work much better.0 -
The interview point is a surprise. The good barristers I’ve known are fluent and coherent outside their specific briefs. He looks like an early (and discarded) figurine from Thunderbirds though.dixiedean said:
Yeah. He's obviously used to standing up in court, being prepared, and capable of pursuing an argument. All transferable skills to the HoC. However, he isn't very good in interviews, and I couldn't see him running a national campaign. He also totally lacks the single most important thing for a Labour leader, which is a definable power base in the Party.SeanT said:
He's my MP. I have always perceived him as highly careerist, first, and soft left, second. He was a horribly PC DPP. He's also extremely wooden, and bad on TV, I'm not sure why Labourites see him as a saviour, apart from outright desperation.dixiedean said:
Does Starmer have any politics? Genuine question. As a former DPP and the lawyer brought in to lead on Brexit, I, for one, am totally unaware of where he stands within the Party on any other issue.Stereotomy said:
But Corbyn supporters don't agree with Starmer's politics.nico67 said:You’ll never win an election if the leader of the party is viewed more unfavorably than the party itself . Starmer would be wiping the floor with May if he was Labour leader . How long will the Corbyn groupies remain in a fantasy ?
As a Labour supporter the current situation is very painful!
Has he ever voiced any opinion on health, education or the economy? Is he on the right, centre or soft left of the Party?
I'll say it again, Thornberry is their best choice, on so many levels. She riles people, but the people she riles don't matter. I don't think core Labour voters in the North really care about her flag insult.
She's competent, she's smart, she's quite articulate, she's a woman (finally, a woman leader of Labour) she's got a decent backstory, she will appeal to centrists and Don't Knows, and the middle classes in the south, she is also just about leftwing enough to satisfy most Corbynites.
She's a Remainer who would push for, and accept, a very Soft Brexit.
I think if she were leading Labour they would be 10 points ahead.
If they were led by Ed Balls they would probably be 15-20 points ahead, but he would never be accepted by the lunatic membership.
Is a power base needed though? As far as I can tell, the hard left never really had one (at least in recent history) and yet they are in control.0 -
It is amazing that this simple, transparently obvious fact is not clear to even the most mindless Corbyn fans. Or maybe their mindlessness is why it is so taxing for them to understand.Anorak said:
Not only is the new Labour membership and party a participant in this, but the general passivity of senior figures, and their unwillingness to deal with it has led to a normalisation of antisemitism. This emboldens deeply unpleasant people from across the whole political spectrum. Dark times.Richard_Nabavi said:There's a fuller account of the antisemitism report here:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-anti-semitism-breaks-record-high-for-3rd-year-in-a-row-says-watchdog/
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One thing to note about Jeremy Corbyn's ratings is how decided the public is. Only 11% are "don't knows" about whether they are satisfied with him or not (just 9% are "don't knows" for the Prime Minister, but that's a much more visible role). These are now unlikely to be lightly formed judgements, easily converted by some brisk but effective campaigning.0
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Old vanilla works just fine, and we almost have old vanilla back again.Benpointer said:Why do we persist with this Vanilla shite btw?
We could knock up a Wordpress site in a couple of days that would work much better.0 -
Is the old versions known as vanilla vanilla?RobD said:
Old vanilla works just fine, and we almost have old vanilla back again.Benpointer said:Why do we persist with this Vanilla shite btw?
We could knock up a Wordpress site in a couple of days that would work much better.0 -
Aren’t you trying to bail out a leaky boat here. Corbyn is almost certainly anti-Semitic. He has been very careful to not be openly so, but he would be monumentally stupid if being a Labour MP since the 80s he had been openly so. He allows a culture of anti-semitism to thrive firstly. He won’t come out and say things have been wrong, but he is clearly of the worldview that Jews are a problem not Israel. Hence his support for the characterised money grabbing Jews mural. I’ve been looking at some of the Corbynites in Bristol as I come across them on Facebook - they don’t even try to hide their Jew hatred.TheJezziah said:
You were trying to smear Corbyn but went too far into Jews and Israel thing, easily done to accidentally smear people you apparently want to defend when attacking political rivals, that is if it is all about attacking a political rival rather than defending the group as claiming.TOPPING said:
I doubt that last but I'm sure you will remind me how/what.TheJezziah said:
People do seem to have a strange problem with me responding to things that they actually post rather than the things they don't post. I'm sure Corbyn is linked to a rise in allegations and arguments that in itself is meaningless though.TOPPING said:TheJezziah said:
So in those 24 mentions you have 1 actual incident mentioned the rest just mentions allegations, discussions and debates.TOPPING said:@TheJezziah
apologies for long post:
"Fst. "
24 mentions of "Labour" in the report.
TBH we have had your views previously on the issue on as well, I believe you made an anti semitic comparison between Jews and Israel last time we discussed the issue so a little less high and mighty is probably for the best.
In the meantime, we have a report out by some Jewish organisation which directly alludes to a connection between Jeremy Corbyn's antics and an increase in anti-semitic incidents. But as far as you are concerned, as "it's only 1 actual incident" (have you read the whole report? I haven't) it's not that important so you dismiss the whole thing.
Is "1 incident" your threshold for it to be ok for Jeremy Corbyn's antics to be linked to a rise in anti-semitic incidents?
Direct allusion is lovely some proof would be a fine thing though and as we know it is damn tricky to prove a negative so I won't hold my breath here.
It is one incident in that part you quoted to me earlier.0 -
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Geras (old age) was one of the daughters of Nyx, along with Nemesis (retribution), Thanatos (death), Eris (discord), and Hypnos (sleep). Not the nicest brood...0 -
The number of times a tosser with a labour Rose and #JC4PM in their twitter handle asserts there's no evidence is astonishing. An amoeba with opposable thumbs can find hundreds of diligently curated examples, including councillors, members, MPs and Leaders of the Opposition.TOPPING said:
It is amazing that this simple, transparently obvious fact is not clear to even the most mindless Corbyn fans. Or maybe their mindlessness is why it is so taxing for them to understand.Anorak said:
Not only is the new Labour membership and party a participant in this, but the general passivity of senior figures, and their unwillingness to deal with it has led to a normalisation of antisemitism. This emboldens deeply unpleasant people from across the whole political spectrum. Dark times.Richard_Nabavi said:There's a fuller account of the antisemitism report here:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-anti-semitism-breaks-record-high-for-3rd-year-in-a-row-says-watchdog/
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Yes, they never had one (since Benn and Militant anyway), which is why they then spent three decades in the wilderness.matt said:
The interview point is a surprise. The good barristers I’ve known are fluent and coherent outside their specific briefs. He looks like an early (and discarded) figurine from Thunderbirds though.dixiedean said:
Yeah. He's obviously used to standing up in court, being prepared, and capable of pursuing an argument. All transferable skills to the HoC. However, he isn't very good in interviews, and I couldn't see him running a national campaign. He also totally lacks the single most important thing for a Labour leader, which is a definable power base in the Party.SeanT said:
He's my MP. I have always perceived him as highly careerist, first, and soft left, second. He was a horribly PC DPP. He's also extremely wooden, and bad on TV, I'm not sure why Labourites see him as a saviour, apart from outright desperation.dixiedean said:
Does Starmer have any politics? Genuine question. As a former DPP and the lawyer brought in to lead on Brexit, I, for one, am totally unaware of where he stands within the Party on any other issue.Stereotomy said:
But Corbyn supporters don't agree with Starmer's politics.nico67 said:You’ll never win an election if the leader of the party is viewed more unfavorably than the party itself . Starmer would be wiping the floor with May if he was Labour leader . How long will the Corbyn groupies remain in a fantasy ?
As a Labour supporter the current situation is very painful!
Has he ever voiced any opinion on health, education or the economy? Is he on the right, centre or soft left of the Party?
I'll say it again, Thornberry is their best choice, on so many levels. She riles people, but the people she riles don't matter. I don't think core Labour voters in the North really care about her flag insult.
She's competent, she's smart, she's quite articulate, she's a woman (finally, a woman leader of Labour) she's got a decent backstory, she will appeal to centrists and Don't Knows, and the middle classes in the south, she is also just about leftwing enough to satisfy most Corbynites.
She's a Remainer who would push for, and accept, a very Soft Brexit.
I think if she were leading Labour they would be 10 points ahead.
If they were led by Ed Balls they would probably be 15-20 points ahead, but he would never be accepted by the lunatic membership.
Is a power base needed though? As far as I can tell, the hard left never really had one (at least in recent history) and yet they are in control.
Re Starmer, he's not a leader. He could be a could Exec but he doesn't have the makings of a Chief Exec: no communicated vision.0 -
That’s a good point - it’s taken Corbyn a few years to grow his reputation. If Labour had gone for a sane leader they would be streets ahead now.AlastairMeeks said:One thing to note about Jeremy Corbyn's ratings is how decided the public is. Only 11% are "don't knows" about whether they are satisfied with him or not (just 9% are "don't knows" for the Prime Minister, but that's a much more visible role). These are now unlikely to be lightly formed judgements, easily converted by some brisk but effective campaigning.
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The site started that way, but the volume of comments became too large for that architecture to support.Benpointer said:Why do we persist with this Vanilla shite btw?
We could knock up a Wordpress site in a couple of days that would work much better.
Vanilla works better now then before that change was made.0 -
Nothing wrong with beer goggles. Or cider visors when you were under 18.SeanT said:
Hah. Yes. A ten pinter, as we used to call them in our rude and wicked youth, writing for FHM and Maxim.TGOHF said:
For Thornberry it would be "die schnapsidee".SeanT said:
Is she?? She looks good for her age. Genuinely didn't know that. I'd have had her as late 40s, maybe 50.Benpointer said:
Er... She 3 years older than you. How can Milf be appropriate?SeanT said:
Yes, I confessed my deviant desires for her Milfy charms a couple of days back. Apols for the image.Nigelb said:
Don't encourage him - he already has.Peter_the_Punter said:
Admit it Sean, you have the hots for her.SeanT said:
He's my Mints ahead, but he would never be accepted by the lunatic membership.dixiedean said:
Does Starmer have any politics? Genuine question. As a former DPP and the lawyer brought in to lead on Brexit, I, for one, am totally unaware of where he stands within the Party on any other issue.Stereotomy said:
But Corbyn supporters don't agree with Starmer's politics.nico67 said:You’ll never win an election if the leader of the party is viewed more unfavorably than the party itself . Starmer would be wiping the floor with May if he was Labour leader . How long will the Corbyn groupies remain in a fantasy ?
As a Labour supporter the current situation is very painful!
Has he ever voiced any opinion on health, education or the economy? Is he on the right, centre or soft left of the Party?
I really am bewildered by my odd attraction to her. She is the opposite of my normal type, which is, happily, like my wife: young, elfin etc.
There must be some enormous German word coined by Freud for "someone unexpected you find sexually attractive for reasons you don't understand"
An idea that only seems good after gallons of strong liquor.
Sigh. Happy days. Ou sont les neiges d'antan0 -
Disqus wasn't too bad... until they implemented nested comments. hideous.OblitusSumMe said:
The site started that way, but the volume of comments became too large for that architecture to support.Benpointer said:Why do we persist with this Vanilla shite btw?
We could knock up a Wordpress site in a couple of days that would work much better.
Vanilla works better now then before that change was made.0 -
The only thing that will shift Corbo is death or a heavy GE defeat.SeanT said:
Yes, I think that's right. He's not coming back from these record bad polling figures, unless he does something absolutely dramatic: like going full Remain, backing a 2nd referendum and campaigning to stay.AlastairMeeks said:One thing to note about Jeremy Corbyn's ratings is how decided the public is. Only 11% are "don't knows" about whether they are satisfied with him or not (just 9% are "don't knows" for the Prime Minister, but that's a much more visible role). These are now unlikely to be lightly formed judgements, easily converted by some brisk but effective campaigning.
Chances of that are negligible, so he's stuck now. Surely Labour must realise, get rid of him, put in blah blah (repeat for the 927th time, ad naus)
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It's a good job you aren't Mormon. That's some selection of wives you'd have.....SeanT said:
I seem to recall you once expressing a rather startling desire for Hillary Clinton.Sean_F said:
The Greek is gerontophiliaSeanT said:
Is she?? She looks good for her age. Genuinely didn't know that. I'd have had her as late 40s, maybe 50.Benpointer said:
Er... She 3 years older than you. How can Milf be appropriate?SeanT said:
Yes, I confessed my deviant desires for her Milfy charms a couple of days back. Apols for the image.Nigelb said:
Don't encourage him - he already has.Peter_the_Punter said:
Admit it Sean, you have the hots for her.SeanT said:
He's my MP. I have always perceived him as highly careerist, first, and soft left, second. He was a hots ahead, but he would never be accepted by the lunatic membership.dixiedean said:
Does Starmer have any politics? Genuine question. As a former DPP and the lawyer brought in to lead on Brexit, I, for one, am totally unaware of where he stands within the Party on any other issue.Stereotomy said:
But Corbyn supporters don't agree with Starmer's politics.nico67 said:You’ll never win an election if the leader of the party is viewed more unfavorably than the party itself . Starmer would be wiping the floor with May if he was Labour leader . How long will the Corbyn groupies remain in a fantasy ?
As a Labour supporter the current situation is very painful!
Has he ever voiced any opinion on health, education or the economy? Is he on the right, centre or soft left of the Party?
I really am bewildered by my odd attraction to her. She is the opposite of my normal type, which is, happily, like my wife: young, elfin etc.
There must be some enormous German word coined by Freud for "someone unexpected you find sexually attractive for reasons you don't understand"0 -
Aside from the classic adjectival Beergoggler, my dad used to call unattractive women a Tug as he thought they would hang around with attractive women and if one of the gang wanted the ship one would have to deal with the Tug.SeanT said:
Hah. Yes. A ten pinter, as we used to call them in our rude and wicked youth, writing for FHM and Maxim.TGOHF said:
For Thornberry it would be "die schnapsidee".SeanT said:
Is she?? She looks good for her age. Genuinely didn't know that. I'd have had her as late 40s, maybe 50.Benpointer said:
Er... She 3 years older than you. How can Milf be appropriate?SeanT said:
Yes, I confessed my deviant desires for her Milfy charms a couple of days back. Apols for the image.Nigelb said:
Don't encourage him - he already has.Peter_the_Punter said:
Admit it Sean, you have the hots for her.SeanT said:
He's my Mints ahead, but he would never be accepted by the lunatic membership.dixiedean said:
Does Starmer have any politics? Genuine question. As a former DPP and the lawyer brought in to lead on Brexit, I, for one, am totally unaware of where he stands within the Party on any other issue.Stereotomy said:
But Corbyn supporters don't agree with Starmer's politics.nico67 said:You’ll never win an election if the leader of the party is viewed more unfavorably than the party itself . Starmer would be wiping the floor with May if he was Labour leader . How long will the Corbyn groupies remain in a fantasy ?
As a Labour supporter the current situation is very painful!
Has he ever voiced any opinion on health, education or the economy? Is he on the right, centre or soft left of the Party?
I really am bewildered by my odd attraction to her. She is the opposite of my normal type, which is, happily, like my wife: young, elfin etc.
There must be some enormous German word coined by Freud for "someone unexpected you find sexually attractive for reasons you don't understand"
An idea that only seems good after gallons of strong liquor.
Sigh. Happy days. Ou sont les neiges d'antan0 -
Are you trying to suggest Corbyn changes his mind? I might not like him but he is certainly consistent in his views.SeanT said:
Yes, I think that's right. He's not coming back from these record bad polling figures, unless he does something absolutely dramatic: like going full Remain, backing a 2nd referendum and campaigning to stay.AlastairMeeks said:One thing to note about Jeremy Corbyn's ratings is how decided the public is. Only 11% are "don't knows" about whether they are satisfied with him or not (just 9% are "don't knows" for the Prime Minister, but that's a much more visible role). These are now unlikely to be lightly formed judgements, easily converted by some brisk but effective campaigning.
Chances of that are negligible, so he's stuck now. Surely Labour must realise, get rid of him, put in blah blah (repeat for the 927th time, ad naus)
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Well, quite the battle for supremacy on this thread between 'How big is the antisemitism problem for Labour?' and 'What do you call sexual attraction to Emily Thornberry?'
Tories and Brexit out in the cold.
Illustrates very clearly how political debate cannot be predicted or controlled, and therefore the risks to TM (if she did not know them already) of calling a snap election.0 -
The problem with all Labour candidates for leadership is immigration, all of them would open the floodgates to this country especially on asylum .SeanT said:
He's my MP. I have always perceived him as highly careerist, first, and soft left, second. He was a horribly PC DPP. He's also extremely wooden, and bad on TV, I'm not sure why Labourites see him as a saviour, apart from outright desperation.dixiedean said:
Does Starmer have any politics? Genuine question. As a former DPP and the lawyer brought in to lead on Brexit, I, for one, am totally unaware of where he stands within the Party on any other issue.Stereotomy said:
But Corbyn supporters don't agree with Starmer's politics.nico67 said:You’ll never win an election if the leader of the party is viewed more unfavorably than the party itself . Starmer would be wiping the floor with May if he was Labour leader . How long will the Corbyn groupies remain in a fantasy ?
As a Labour supporter the current situation is very painful!
Has he ever voiced any opinion on health, education or the economy? Is he on the right, centre or soft left of the Party?
I'll say it again, Thornberry is their best choice, on so many levels. She riles people, but the people she riles don't matter. I don't think core Labour voters in the North really care about her flag insult.
She's competent, she's smart, she's quite articulate, she's a woman (finally, a woman leader of Labour) she's got a decent backstory, she will appeal to centrists and Don't Knows, and the middle classes in the south, she is also just about leftwing enough to satisfy most Corbynites.
She's a Remainer who would push for, and accept, a very Soft Brexit.
I think if she were leading Labour they would be 10 points ahead.
If they were led by Ed Balls they would probably be 15-20 points ahead, but he would never be accepted by the lunatic membership.
All have the mindset of Merkel and the pressure will come from the far leftwing membership.0 -
Which is why you should aim for the tug. Less obsessed with themselves and by nature, keener to help out.Nemtynakht said:
Aside from the classic adjectival Beergoggler, my dad used to call unattractive women a Tug as he thought they would hang around with attractive women and if one of the gang wanted the ship one would have to deal with the Tug.SeanT said:
Hah. Yes. A ten pinter, as we used to call them in our rude and wicked youth, writing for FHM and Maxim.TGOHF said:
For Thornberry it would be "die schnapsidee".SeanT said:
Is she?? She looks good for her age. Genuinely didn't know that. I'd have had her as late 40s, maybe 50.Benpointer said:
Er... She 3 years older than you. How can Milf be appropriate?SeanT said:
Yes, I confessed my deviant desires for her Milfy charms a couple of days back. Apols for the image.Nigelb said:
Don't encourage him - he already has.Peter_the_Punter said:
Admit it Sean, you have the hots for her.SeanT said:
He's my Mints ahead, but he would never be accepted by the lunatic membership.dixiedean said:
Does Starmer have any politics? Genuine question. As a former DPP and the lawyer brought in to lead on Brexit, I, for one, am totally unaware of where he stands within the Party on any other issue.Stereotomy said:
But Corbyn supporters don't agree with Starmer's politics.nico67 said:You’ll never win an election if the leader of the party is viewed more unfavorably than the party itself . Starmer would be wiping the floor with May if he was Labour leader . How long will the Corbyn groupies remain in a fantasy ?
As a Labour supporter the current situation is very painful!
Has he ever voiced any opinion on health, education or the economy? Is he on the right, centre or soft left of the Party?
I really am bewildered by my odd attraction to her. She is the opposite of my normal type, which is, happily, like my wife: young, elfin etc.
There must be some enormous German word coined by Freud for "someone unexpected you find sexually attractive for reasons you don't understand"
An idea that only seems good after gallons of strong liquor.
Sigh. Happy days. Ou sont les neiges d'antan0 -
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Wordpress would support PB easily but as ever it's the configuration that'll make the difference and thus due to cost etc issues Vanilla may well be the right choice - it seems fine nowRobD said:
Disqus wasn't too bad... until they implemented nested comments. hideous.OblitusSumMe said:
The site started that way, but the volume of comments became too large for that architecture to support.Benpointer said:Why do we persist with this Vanilla shite btw?
We could knock up a Wordpress site in a couple of days that would work much better.
Vanilla works better now then before that change was made.0 -
My wife is pretty apolitical and has been a Con-Lib Dem floating voter for the 12 years I’ve known her. Unlike me, I could see the circumstances where she might vote for Labour even under Corbyn.Nemtynakht said:
Aren’t you trying to bail out a leaky boat here. Corbyn is almost certainly anti-Semitic. He has been very careful to not be openly so, but he would be monumentally stupid if being a Labour MP since the 80s he had been openly so. He allows a culture of anti-semitism to thrive firstly. He won’t come out and say things have been wrong, but he is clearly of the worldview that Jews are a problem not Israel. Hence his support for the characterised money grabbing Jews mural. I’ve been looking at some of the Corbynites in Bristol as I come across them on Facebook - they don’t even try to hide their Jew hatred.TheJezziah said:
It is one incident in that part you quoted to me earlier.TOPPING said:
I doubt that last but I'm sure you will remind me how/what.TheJezziah said:
People do seem to have a strange problem with me responding to things that they actually post rather than the things they don't post. I'm sure Corbyn is linked to a rise in allegations and arguments that in itself is meaningless though.TOPPING said:TheJezziah said:
So in those 24 mentions you have 1 actual incident mentioned the rest just mentions allegations, discussions and debates.TOPPING said:@TheJezziah
apologies for long post:
"Fst. "
24 mentions of "Labour" in the report.
TBH we have had your views previously on the issue on as well, I believe you made an anti semitic comparison between Jews and Israel last time we discussed the issue so a little less high and mighty is probably for the best.
In the meantime, we have a report out by some Jewish organisation which directly alludes to a connection between Jeremy Corbyn's antics and an increase in anti-semitic incidents. But as far as you are concerned, as "it's only 1 actual incident" (have you read the whole report? I haven't) it's not that important so you dismiss the whole thing.
Is "1 incident" your threshold for it to be ok for Jeremy Corbyn's antics to be linked to a rise in anti-semitic incidents?
Recently during the BBC news she said that she’s fed up to the back teeth with all this anti-Semitism stuff. Without expressing which side of the debate she’s fed up with – she just thinks it’s totally irrelevant to the big issues facing the country and she’s totally right. I imagine she’s speaking for many non-politicos right now.0 -
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Mr. Fowkes, welcome to PB.
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And probably most non-Jews also.kfowkes said:
My wife is pretty apolitical and has been a Con-Lib Dem floating voter for the 12 years I’ve known her. Unlike me, I could see the circumstances where she might vote for Labour even under Corbyn.Nemtynakht said:
Aren’t you trying to bail out a leaky boat here. Corbyn is almost certainly anti-Semitic. He has been very careful to not be openly so, but he would be monumentally stupid if being a Labour MP since the 80s he had been openly so. He allows a culture of anti-semitism to thrive firstly. He won’t come out and say things have been wrong, but he is clearly of the worldview that Jews are a problem not Israel. Hence his support for the characterised money grabbing Jews mural. I’ve been looking at some of the Corbynites in Bristol as I come across them on Facebook - they don’t even try to hide their Jew hatred.TheJezziah said:
It is one incident in that part you quoted to me earlier.TOPPING said:
I doubt that last but I'm sure you will remind me how/what.TheJezziah said:
People do seem to have a strange problem with me responding to things that they actually post rather than the things they don't post. I'm sure Corbyn is linked to a rise in allegations and arguments that in itself is meaningless though.TOPPING said:TheJezziah said:
So in those 24 mentions you have 1 actuns allegations, discussions and debates.TOPPING said:@TheJezziah
apologies for long post:
"Fst. "
24 mentions of "Labour" in the report.
TBH we have had your views previously on the issue on as well, I believe you made an anti semitic comparison between Jews and Israel last time we discussed the issue so a little less high and mighty is probably for the best.
In the meantime, we have a report out by some Jewish organisation which directly alludes to a connection between Jeremy Corbyn's antics and an increase in anti-semitic incidents. But as far as you are concerned, as "it's only 1 actual incident" (have you read the whole report? I haven't) it's not that important so you dismiss the whole thing.
Is "1 incident" your threshold for it to be ok for Jeremy Corbyn's antics to be linked to a rise in anti-semitic incidents?
Recently during the BBC news she said that she’s fed up to the back teeth with all this anti-Semitism stuff. Without expressing which side of the debate she’s fed up with – she just thinks it’s totally irrelevant to the big issues facing the country and she’s totally right. I imagine she’s speaking for many non-politicos right now.0 -
Oh (dear) Jeremy Corbyn.0
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I’m sure you “enjoyed” snakebite and black made with Bulmers traditional.SeanT said:
Hah. "Cider visors" is new to me. Though, having grown up in Herefordshire, I've certainly worn them a few times.Anorak said:
Nothing wrong with beer goggles. Or cider visors when you were under 18.SeanT said:
Hah. Yes. A ten pinter, as we used to call them in our rude and wicked youth, writing for FHM and Maxim.TGOHF said:
For Thornberry it would be "die schnapsidee".SeanT said:
Is she?? She looks good for her age. Genuinely didn't know that. I'd have had her as late 40s, maybe 50.Benpointer said:
Er... She 3 years older than you. How can Milf be appropriate?SeanT said:
Yes, I confessed my deviant desires for her Milfy charms a couple of days back. Apols for the image.Nigelb said:
Don't encourage him - he already has.Peter_the_Punter said:
Admit it Sean, you have the hots for her.SeanT said:
He's my Mints ahead, but he would never be accepted by the lunatic membership.dixiedean said:
Does Starmer have any politics? Genuine question. As a former DPP and the lawyer brought in to lead on Brexit, I, for one, am totally unaware of where he stands within the Party on any other issue.Stereotomy said:
But Corbyn supporters don't agree with Starmer's politics.nico67 said:You’ll never win an election if the leader of the party is viewed more unfavorably than the party itself . Starmer would be wiping the floor with May if he was Labour leader . How long will the Corbyn groupies remain in a fantasy ?
As a Labour supporter the current situation is very painful!
Has he ever voiced any opinion on health, education or the economy? Is he on the right, centre or soft left of the Party?
I really am bewildered by my odd attraction to her. She is the opposite of my normal type, which is, happily, like my wife: young, elfin etc.
There must be some enormous German word coined by Freud for "someone unexpected you find sexually attractive for reasons you don't understand"
An idea that only seems good after gallons of strong liquor.
Sigh. Happy days. Ou sont les neiges d'antan0 -
And I thought I had an MP of whom to be ashamed.Scott_P said:0 -
Jezza headlining Glastonbury seems a long time ago....Jonathan said:Oh (dear) Jeremy Corbyn.
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That's sad news. I once played the lead role in Woyzeck and stabbed Marie to death with a knife that Finney had used in a production at the National Theatre a few months before.Scott_P said:0 -
One would hope so.SeanT said:
Labour's anti-Semitism won't impact them directly in the polls, for the reasons you both cite, however it does damage them, tangentially, over the longer term, as 1. makes them look divided and shifty, and 2. destroys their holier than thou USP and 3. reveals some really nasty people who support Labour, also 4. it reminds people of Jezza's eager friendship with IslamistsTOPPING said:
And probably most non-Jews also.kfowkes said:
My wife is pretty apolitical and has been a Con-Lib Dem floating voter for the 12 years I’ve known her. Unlike me, I could see the circumstances where she might vote for Labour even under Corbyn.Nemtynakht said:
Aren’t you trying to bail out a leaky boat here. Corbyn is almost certainly anti-Semitic. He has been very careful to not be openly so, but he would be monumentally stupid if being a Labour MP since the 80s he had been openly so. He allows a culture of anti-semitism to thrive firstly. He won’t come out and say things have been wrong, but he is clearly of the worldview that Jews are a problem not Israel. Hence his support for the characterised money grabbing Jews mural. I’ve been looking at some of the Corbynites in Bristol as I come across them on Facebook - they don’t even try to hide their Jew hatred.TheJezziah said:
It is one incident in that part you quoted to me earlier.TOPPING said:
I doubtTheJezziah said:
People dthe best.TOPPING said:TheJezziah said:
So in those 24 mentions you have 1 actuns allegations, discussions and debates.TOPPING said:@TheJezziah
apologies for long post:
"Fst. "
24 mentions of "Labour" in the report.
Is "1 incident" your threshold for it to be ok for Jeremy Corbyn's antics to be linked to a rise in anti-semitic incidents?
Recently during the BBC news she said that she’s fed up to the back teeth with all this anti-Semitism stuff. Without expressing which side of the debate she’s fed up with – she just thinks it’s totally irrelevant to the big issues facing the country and she’s totally right. I imagine she’s speaking for many non-politicos right now.
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AlsoSeanT said:
Labour's anti-Semitism won't impact them directly in the polls, for the reasons you both cite, however it does damage them, tangentially, over the longer term, as 1. makes them look divided and shifty, and 2. destroys their holier than thou USP and 3. reveals some really nasty people who support Labour, also 4. it reminds people of Jezza's eager friendship with IslamistsTOPPING said:
And probably most non-Jews also.kfowkes said:
My wife is pretty apolitical and has been a Con-Lib Dem floating voter for the 12 years I’ve known her. Unlike me, I could see the circumstances where she might vote for Labour even under Corbyn.Nemtynakht said:
Aren’t you trying to bail out a leaky boat here. Corbyn is almost certainly anti-Semitic. He has been very careful to not be openly so, but he would be monumentally stupid if being a Labour MP since the 80s he had been openly so. He allows a culture of anti-semitism to thrive firstly. He won’t come out and say things have been wrong, but he is clearly of the worldview that Jews are a problem not Israel. Hence his support for the characterised money grabbing Jews mural. I’ve been looking at some of the Corbynites in Bristol as I come across them on Facebook - they don’t even try to hide their Jew hatred.TheJezziah said:
It is one incident in that part you quoted to me earlier.TOPPING said:
I doubtTheJezziah said:
People dthe best.TOPPING said:TheJezziah said:
So in those 24 mentions you have 1 actuns allegations, discussions and debates.TOPPING said:@TheJezziah
apologies for long post:
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24 mentions of "Labour" in the report.
Is "1 incident" your threshold for it to be ok for Jeremy Corbyn's antics to be linked to a rise in anti-semitic incidents?
Recently during the BBC news she said that she’s fed up to the back teeth with all this anti-Semitism stuff. Without expressing which side of the debate she’s fed up with – she just thinks it’s totally irrelevant to the big issues facing the country and she’s totally right. I imagine she’s speaking for many non-politicos right now.
All these are a drag on Labour's performance.
5. Basic lack of competence in putting their own party in order. If they can't manage that how would they deal with a country?0 -
His garden?Stereotomy said:By the way, do any of the people here who constantly complain about Vince Cable's crapness have any suggestions about what he should be doing differently?
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Looking at OGH's data, that cretin Brown managed a slight recovery, interestingly by building favourables, not reducing unfavourables, during the financial crisis. Thank God it wasn't enough to get him over the line in 2010 though.0
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Google warns news sites may lose 45% of traffic if EU passes its Copyright Reform
https://thenextweb.com/eu/2019/02/07/google-copyright-reform-eu-article-11/
Google are obviously biased, but Article 11 / 13 are absolutely stupidly crafted laws...but EU doesn't appear to do listening.0 -
Death is the only thing that would prevent Corbyn from standing down as leader at a time of his choosing. And he will stay until a credible far left successor emerges. Assuming McDonnell is too old, there is no-one on that wing of the party who could win and so Jezza has to keep going, hoping that something turns up. My guess is that were Labour to win the next election he would stand down immediately and let McDonnell be PM.TGOHF said:
The only thing that will shift Corbo is death or a heavy GE defeat.SeanT said:
Yes, I think that's right. He's not coming back from these record bad polling figures, unless he does something absolutely dramatic: like going full Remain, backing a 2nd referendum and campaigning to stay.AlastairMeeks said:One thing to note about Jeremy Corbyn's ratings is how decided the public is. Only 11% are "don't knows" about whether they are satisfied with him or not (just 9% are "don't knows" for the Prime Minister, but that's a much more visible role). These are now unlikely to be lightly formed judgements, easily converted by some brisk but effective campaigning.
Chances of that are negligible, so he's stuck now. Surely Labour must realise, get rid of him, put in blah blah (repeat for the 927th time, ad naus)
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I've heard him speak. He's not stupid, or malicious, I think, but just kind of not living in the real world.....in an embarrassing uncle kind of way.OldKingCole said:
And I thought I had an MP of whom to be ashamed.Scott_P said:0 -
So I see Johhny McD is trying to blame Berger herself for the issues she is facing...I mean the people causing her all this grief are such lovely people,
http://hurryupharry.org/2019/02/07/the-man-who-hates-the-zionist-luciana-berger/0 -
Er.. how about the million plus on the NHS?Benpointer said:
I feel a bit meh about that Alastair - anyone who can afford a therapist is unlikely to be on the receiving end of the serious impact of Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, just another malign effect of Brexit:
https://twitter.com/tashahinde/status/1093842922976567296
https://www.england.nhs.uk/2017/12/1-4-million-people-referred-to-nhs-mental-health-therapy-in-the-past-year/0 -
Well, here’s an attempt to divert the stream.kinabalu said:Well, quite the battle for supremacy on this thread between 'How big is the antisemitism problem for Labour?' and 'What do you call sexual attraction to Emily Thornberry?'
Tories and Brexit out in the cold.
Illustrates very clearly how political debate cannot be predicted or controlled, and therefore the risks to TM (if she did not know them already) of calling a snap election.
I reluctantly post the news that appears to be strong empirical evidence for the proposition that a deep Brexit recession might improve the nation’s health:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-02-recession-greater-decline-mortality-europe.html
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