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A poll shown to Momentum and shadow cabinet members shows 'backing Brexit would be worse for Labour than Iraq invasion', @Peston has learnthttps://t.co/8YtByDu6Od pic.twitter.com/DiuTxVLPYp
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It probably doesn't need saying (not that that ever stops me) but of course Labour did win a GE after Iraq (deferred impact, yes yes). I think it's a meringue. Brittle, now cracking, and hollow inside as no one agrees what should go with it. Why should he be sacked? Given it was not an off the cuff remark which he regrets, but something planned out, reemphasised by a tweet, and which he and Varadkar find hilarious as most of Europe and many in this country squeal in delight about his truth telling, then whatever phony rollbacks there may or may not be from various EU sources, it seems quite apparent that his remarks are shared and endorsed at the highest levels. He's doing what they want.
I could believe Juncker might unintentionally stir things up after a dinner session with a loose tongue, but Tusk? All on script I'd guess. The only Brexits we might get are no deal brexit, or Labour brexit, thanks to the ERG not liking official Tory brexit. Time to choose.
Except not really, since May wants to take some time off for the next few weeks so more people can say no to things over and over, very useful stuff.
...looks at May...
...oh, arse.
I cannot see any other reason, for instance, why May decided to attempt something she herself had said for months was not possible, other than to try to paint the EU as unreasonable for not giving in (I do think the EU position makes little sense - we don't want a hard border, so we'll insist on something which almost guarantees we will have no deal and need a hard border - but their not shifting on a red line when we said they would not is not absurd).
Corbyn wants to be seen to have tried to make Brexit work but fail, so remainers, while annoyed, are not inclined to shun Labour, while retaining Brexit voters rightly angry at the government's incompetence.
The EU has an easier job, since we were the ones to vote for Brexit after all, but by focusing on mockery and their repeated, and entirely false, insistence that they do not know what we want, they focus on how this is ultimately our fault and never mind if a bit of fudge on their end might have avoided a crash out outcome for both.
It's win win for politicians here and in the EU. In the short term at any rate.
Otherwise you’d be claiming Mrs Brown’s Boys superior to Shakespeare.
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/2193503#Comment_2193503Just trying out the new format sorry to be late to the party.
Edit: hmmm
And Corbyn will tell Labour MPs to abstain thus passing May's deal. Which has the dual benefit for Corbyn of strengthening May and crippling Labour's chances so that he can continue ranting at the moon from the safety of opposition whilst going after the real enemy - Labour MPs councillors and activists.
Fuck Corbyn.
But they won't be.
Which isn't to say things are great for Labour, being behind in the polls in the current circumstances is pretty poor, but they're behind because the Tories' voteshare is surprisingly robust. It could be that going ultra-Remain will win votes from those well-known evangelists for the EU that the Tories are, but I somehow doubt it.
And they have let him
Also the quote is now full of garbled html...
I guess tonight’s letter is JC tacking as close to a full-on reverse ferret as he can without looking like (completely) like an unprincipled opportunist arse, while trying to shield himself from those who think he’s betrayed them (and I suspect most of them would buy EEA as a fudge at this stage).
So given his own predilections, my guess is he’d be happy with anything but a reasonably relaxed exit under TMay’s plan, which would look like success for her (yeah yeah, all relative) and massively piss off his young voters.
He is a fool. Not maybe a criminal like his mates Chavez and Ahmadinejad (or Meacher) but so stupid you almost wish he was a criminal.
Why would a Labour voting remainer want that, however angry they were at Corbyn for enabling Brexit?
Eurgh...
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https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/2193524#Comment_2193524On the one side we have remainers fretting (or at least pretending) we're going to slip into x tier and on the same side we have remainers saying brexit will be a deserved humiliation for colonialism etc... which is it?
So he probably played it right. Unfortunately for us.
If Remain wanted to win, it should have been making the positive case for Britain’s membership of the EU long before the campaign started. And it should have had an answer to peoples’ concerns about immigration. In that sense I think the referendum was likely lost before the campaign started and the poor Remain campaign did not change the position sufficiently.
You have said before in response to a question from me that these two are the xenophobic posters you object to. I have asked you - but don’t believe I ever got a response - whether, if Leave had won but without those posters, what difference do you think it would have made.
Would you describe a campaign based in part on immigration concerns but without untrue/misleading posters/claims as xenophobic?
And if not, wouldn’t it lead to exactly the same red lines as now - on FoM, for instance?
No obligation on you to answer but would be interested in your response.
And pinning hopes on people by pushing them to the precipice and then yelling at them to jump off already you cowards, strikes me as having a high chance of seeing them cross into the precipice out of sheer bloodymindedness.
It's up there with the theories people would not vote to do something so clearly not in their best interests, when the losing side in many elections and referendums see that happen all the time.
Now, I do of course understand that you have to be pretty thick to think that voting for Corbyn will make your or anyone else's life better, but are Labour supporters really so thick that they haven't yet understood that Corbyn backs Brexit?
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/2193555#Comment_2193555Yes but he says it in their language.
Perhaps in Scotland to the SNP is the greatest Labour risk if they are seen to have failed on Brexit.
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/2193518#Comment_2193518The Lib Dems will stay marooned in the polls for as long as Low Voltage Cable is in charge. (Charge, geddit? Oh never mind...)
Swinson or, preferably, Moran would see them jump to 15%ish, I reckon, which is not enough to gain any sort of power but plenty enough to deprive Labour of it.
But you'll have to collect.
Or a system update. Why only some are affected though I do not know.
You have said before that you could have been persuaded to the Brexit side if there had been a clear articulation of what a Britain outside the EU would be like and a clear plan for how to get from here to there. I paraphrase and hope I have not misrepresented you.
If so - and if such a plan had been articulated, then presumably you would be taking a different view. So it cannot be the concept of Brexit which is a chronic disaster but the particular Brexit we are enduring.
In short the disaster is contingent not inevitable. Or have I misunderstood you?
Apologies if so.
Watching the fantastic Europe documentary, it’s fascinating, isn’t it, how Greece was basically about to be pushed out of the Euro but for Francois Hollande ringing Tsipris up and saying, “mate - you’re about to be sooo fucked.”
Sadly, Theresa doesn’t have a single ally on the inside, having alienated the entire EU 27 with her rigidity, her insulting choice of Brexit ministers, and - worst of all - her double dealing.
However, nobody wants a No Deal.
Both May and the EU are can-kickers par excellence - and this can is gonna keep kicking until something changes on either the parliamentary or the EU’s side. We will see a delay. And if necessary, a delay to the delay, to avoid something which no side actually wants.
May main playbook is to wait for events to provide something - anything - to change numbers in the House, while trying to block avenues to Remain so that sane MPs will be forced to choose her Deal (or some variation of it).
Plan A, the “Fear of a No Deal” campaign doesn’t seem to be working, although she is obliged to stick with it. Plan B Is to apply pressure to Labour MPs to support an “orderly Brexit”. That is unlikely to work either. Even abstention is not actually in most Labour MP’s interests. Plan C is an election...however far-fetched this is now looking reasonably likely...
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/2193507#Comment_2193507This new format is awful. Simply awful.
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/2193570#Comment_2193570Mobile site. The desktop site is unaffected.
Donny Tusk today called for a special place in Hell.
Vanilla Forums have duly provided one.
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/2193572#Comment_2193572It is truly execrable.
*settings -> request desktop site*
Ah that's better.