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It was that darling of the left, Vince Cable, who sold off the Royal Mail half price. Perhaps he was having his afternoon nap at the time.

Hugh said:

MrJones said:

EU wants NHS privatized so other EU countries can bid for chunks - like they obviously would and same reason as Royal Mail. The political class are all lying about it as usual.

Altercations at the gate before the plebgate incident - who'd a thunk it.

choccy biscuit time

I don't think the Tories cheaply flogged off the Royal Mail to give it to "EU".

Nor do I think that's the reason they're giving massive chunks of the NHS to particular companies.

Seems I did. I reckon Labour majority 5000.

TheLastBoyScout said:

Carola said:

More on plebgate on the front of the Times.

Is it just me or is Plebgate the most esoteric, dull, politics story ever? Does anyone care either way any more? It has dragged on for what seems like an eternity

I've found it interesting for a range of reasons tbh. Not really the 'did/didn't the Tory say 'pleb'' bit. The in-house stuff. The broader implications. Human interest. Kinda thing.

Anyway. Past bedtime.

Hugh said:

MrJones said:

EU wants NHS privatized so other EU countries can bid for chunks - like they obviously would and same reason as Royal Mail. The political class are all lying about it as usual.

Altercations at the gate before the plebgate incident - who'd a thunk it.

choccy biscuit time

I don't think the Tories cheaply flogged off the Royal Mail to give it to "EU".

Nor do I think that's the reason they're giving massive chunks of the NHS to particular companies.

Indeed, they probably did it for the same reason that Labour tried to sell the Royal Mail and for the same reason Labour gave massive chunks of the NHS to private companies.

Mick_Pork said:

Tykejohnno said:

Mick Pork posted - Still somewhat easier than actually being the people who were flooded though

No it isn't,but you were making a point that he wasn't going into the lions den because some silly tweet you posted.

It was a silly tweet for a silly man. Like your picture indicates. I've never been foolish enough to take Pickles particularly seriously and it baffles me why anyone ever would. He's a a mobile (up to a point) car crash waiting to happen. Always has been.

I give you that,he is a car crash waiting to happen,his performance in the commons on the floods was awful and embarrassing.

@Carola

I doubt many Man U fans made it up from Cornwall for the game in the first place.

Mick_Pork said:

Tykejohnno said:

Mick Pork posted - Still somewhat easier than actually being the people who were flooded though

No it isn't,but you were making a point that he wasn't going into the lions den because some silly tweet you posted.

It was a silly tweet for a silly man. Like your picture indicates. I've never been foolish enough to take Pickles particularly seriously and it baffles me why anyone ever would. He's a mobile (up to a point) car crash waiting to happen. Always has been.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MrFV4c_sVY

Another example to prove our point.

foxinsoxuk said:

A friend of mine was waiting in the rain in London in the eighties, when Tony Benn came out of an office and got into a car. He offered her a lift to the train station. She had a pleasant chat with him on the journey.

For all his odd politics, I believe him a genuinely kind and humble individual. I hope he gets well soon.

My Brother once shared a vehicle with Gordon Brown at about the same time, but was less than impressed!

TheLastBoyScout said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Damn. Not sure if it has already been mentioned but I just caught up with the news that Tony Benn is seriously ill in hospital.

I wish him all the very best. He may have been from the opposite end of the political spectrum to me but he is a man of great integrity and one of the best Parliamentarians of the 20th century and I do hope he makes a good recovery.

Hear hear Richard - while you probably would have agreed only on Europe, some things transcend politics. Your post does you enormous credit.

Tony Benn was a familiar figure around Holland Park living in a large house on Holland Park Avenue (at the Notting Hill Gate end). It's stand out feature was a bright red front door!

I haven't seen him around for a few years though as I believe he sold up and moved to a nearby flat a couple of years ago.

Odd that Notting Hill should comprise within its environs such extremes from the political spectrum as Benn and Osborne, although I am sure Tony Benn's late American wife and fellow socialist would have preferred her address to be recognised as being in Holland Park.

One of the great politicians of the 20th century. I wish him the very best.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26163637

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

AveryLP said:

foxinsoxuk said:

A friend of mine was waiting in the rain in London in the eighties, when Tony Benn came out of an office and got into a car. He offered her a lift to the train station. She had a pleasant chat with him on the journey.

For all his odd politics, I believe him a genuinely kind and humble individual. I hope he gets well soon.

My Brother once shared a vehicle with Gordon Brown at about the same time, but was less than impressed!

TheLastBoyScout said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Damn. Not sure if it has already been mentioned but I just caught up with the news that Tony Benn is seriously ill in hospital.

I wish him all the very best. He may have been from the opposite end of the political spectrum to me but he is a man of great integrity and one of the best Parliamentarians of the 20th century and I do hope he makes a good recovery.

Hear hear Richard - while you probably would have agreed only on Europe, some things transcend politics. Your post does you enormous credit.

Tony Benn was a familiar figure around Holland Park living in a large house on Holland Park Avenue (at the Notting Hill Gate end). It's stand out feature was a bright red front door!

I haven't seen him around for a few years though as I believe he sold up and moved to a nearby flat a couple of years ago.

Odd that Notting Hill should comprise within its environs such extremes from the political spectrum as Benn and Osborne, although I am sure Tony Benn's late American wife and fellow socialist would have preferred her address to be recognised as being in Holland Park.

One of the great politicians of the 20th century. I wish him the very best.

Anyone who has sky on demand, his 'In confidence' interview with Laurie Taylor is available

Hugh said:

Lets hope Miliband's Labour Government is better than that wretched lot, the signs are very promising.

Ah, the triumph of blind hope over years of experience.

Good luck with that.

Hugh - Can't be any worse

3 years in ,with a miliband Government ?

This foul weather could be good news for LD, Conservative and UKIP vote share.

None of them will win it but there are a tremendous amount of Labour voters who'll only bother to make it down to the polling booth in the fairest of weather.

Actually scrap the bit about the Lib Dems not sure there are many left near Manchester.

An endangered species.

Pulpstar said:

This foul weather could be good news for LD, Conservative and UKIP vote share.

None of them will win it but there are a tremendous amount of Labour voters who'll only bother to make it down to the polling booth in the fairest of weather.

Actually scrap the bit about the Lib Dems not sure there are many left near Manchester.

An endangered species.

Can the 20 posters who voted labour in the poll to finish 2nd above,show yourselves ;-)

@Hugh

'For a start, they'll repeal the Tory "Flog The NHS" Bill on day one. Ish. For that alone they deserve to Govern.'

Surely you don't believe that crap?

RodCrosby said:

AveryLP said:

The Times report shows that much of this was happening but it appears that a duty officer must have 'jumped the gun' on the following day by forcing a confrontation.

The rest as they say is [ongoing] history!

My comments at the time surmised all of this...

Psyops would have pushed until they got the reaction they wanted.

My view is that in this case the outcome was an unplanned accident followed by panic and fitting up. Though I stress this is just one of many plausible speculations as to what happened.

Will the truth ever out?

Pulpstar said:

This foul weather could be good news for LD, Conservative and UKIP vote share.

None of them will win it but there are a tremendous amount of Labour voters who'll only bother to make it down to the polling booth in the fairest of weather.

Actually scrap the bit about the Lib Dems not sure there are many left near Manchester.

An endangered species.

That would be true if it wasn't for the 17,000 postal votes that have apparently been applied for.

so far this by election i have received 2 leaflets from the Greens , BNP and the Lib Dems. 3 from the Tories and maybe 5 or 6 from UKIP and Labour. Window poster wise in my bit of Manchester not seen many.1 labour.2 Lib Dems and 2 Loony.
Also no polling card, presume this is par for the course for a by election.
I will carry out my democratic duty tomorrow.My main motivation in the recent past has been to cast my vote for whomever i think will stand the best chance of beating Labour , which as meant Tory in the general elections and Lib Dem in the locals.
To be honest not inspired by any party at the moment and was toying with the idea of voting Loony as a protest vote, but this evening i received a Labour leaflet which was in the form of a letter from some women who lives in the constituency, describing herself as " not a political person"
It contains all sorts of nonsense about Maggie Thatcher , the poll tax , no books or heating in classrooms and people dying on stretchers on hospital corridors and the classic line "my parents always told me it was important to vote for Labour when an election comes round"
Such drivel has convinced me to vote for the party most likely to give Labour a run for their money, god forgive me but i'll be voting UKIP.
PS my predictions: Lib Dems and Greens to lose deposit, Loonys to poll more than BNP

Wow!

JosiasJessop said:

Carola said:

More on plebgate on the front of the Times.

You trust what the police have to say on this? Really?

Smells like a typical CYA operation.

AndyJS said:

Pulpstar said:

This foul weather could be good news for LD, Conservative and UKIP vote share.

None of them will win it but there are a tremendous amount of Labour voters who'll only bother to make it down to the polling booth in the fairest of weather.

Actually scrap the bit about the Lib Dems not sure there are many left near Manchester.

An endangered species.

That would be true if it wasn't for the 17,000 postal votes that have apparently been applied for.

Yesterday my boiler was given its annual service check-up by Harry Cohen's nephew.