EU wants NHS privatized so other EU countries can bid for chunks - like they obviously would and same reason as Royal Mail. The political class are all lying about it as usual.
Altercations at the gate before the plebgate incident - who'd a thunk it.
choccy biscuit time
I don't think the Tories cheaply flogged off the Royal Mail to give it to "EU".
Nor do I think that's the reason they're giving massive chunks of the NHS to particular companies.
EU wants NHS privatized so other EU countries can bid for chunks - like they obviously would and same reason as Royal Mail. The political class are all lying about it as usual.
Altercations at the gate before the plebgate incident - who'd a thunk it.
choccy biscuit time
I don't think the Tories cheaply flogged off the Royal Mail to give it to "EU".
Nor do I think that's the reason they're giving massive chunks of the NHS to particular companies.
I agree the local political class being crooked is a separate issue.
Mick Pork posted - Still somewhat easier than actually being the people who were flooded though
No it isn't,but you were making a point that he wasn't going into the lions den because some silly tweet you posted.
It was a silly tweet for a silly man. Like your picture indicates. I've never been foolish enough to take Pickles particularly seriously and it baffles me why anyone ever would. He's a mobile (up to a point) car crash waiting to happen. Always has been.
Is it just me or is Plebgate the most esoteric, dull, politics story ever? Does anyone care either way any more? It has dragged on for what seems like an eternity
I've found it interesting for a range of reasons tbh. Not really the 'did/didn't the Tory say 'pleb'' bit. The in-house stuff. The broader implications. Human interest. Kinda thing.
EU wants NHS privatized so other EU countries can bid for chunks - like they obviously would and same reason as Royal Mail. The political class are all lying about it as usual.
Altercations at the gate before the plebgate incident - who'd a thunk it.
choccy biscuit time
I don't think the Tories cheaply flogged off the Royal Mail to give it to "EU".
Nor do I think that's the reason they're giving massive chunks of the NHS to particular companies.
Indeed, they probably did it for the same reason that Labour tried to sell the Royal Mail and for the same reason Labour gave massive chunks of the NHS to private companies.
Mick Pork posted - Still somewhat easier than actually being the people who were flooded though
No it isn't,but you were making a point that he wasn't going into the lions den because some silly tweet you posted.
It was a silly tweet for a silly man. Like your picture indicates. I've never been foolish enough to take Pickles particularly seriously and it baffles me why anyone ever would. He's a a mobile (up to a point) car crash waiting to happen. Always has been.
I give you that,he is a car crash waiting to happen,his performance in the commons on the floods was awful and embarrassing.
'Biggest cheer at the Emirates tonight by #AFC? To an announcement for the MUFC away fans that no more trains leaving Euston.'
'Second biggest cheer? The M6 has just been closed.'
I got caught on the M6 southbound the other month with United fans going home after a midweek game. It was gridlocked.The only bright side to it was they had lost and they all look devastated.
Mick Pork posted - Still somewhat easier than actually being the people who were flooded though
No it isn't,but you were making a point that he wasn't going into the lions den because some silly tweet you posted.
It was a silly tweet for a silly man. Like your picture indicates. I've never been foolish enough to take Pickles particularly seriously and it baffles me why anyone ever would. He's a mobile (up to a point) car crash waiting to happen. Always has been.
A friend of mine was waiting in the rain in London in the eighties, when Tony Benn came out of an office and got into a car. He offered her a lift to the train station. She had a pleasant chat with him on the journey.
For all his odd politics, I believe him a genuinely kind and humble individual. I hope he gets well soon.
My Brother once shared a vehicle with Gordon Brown at about the same time, but was less than impressed!
Damn. Not sure if it has already been mentioned but I just caught up with the news that Tony Benn is seriously ill in hospital.
I wish him all the very best. He may have been from the opposite end of the political spectrum to me but he is a man of great integrity and one of the best Parliamentarians of the 20th century and I do hope he makes a good recovery.
Hear hear Richard - while you probably would have agreed only on Europe, some things transcend politics. Your post does you enormous credit.
Tony Benn was a familiar figure around Holland Park living in a large house on Holland Park Avenue (at the Notting Hill Gate end). It's stand out feature was a bright red front door!
I haven't seen him around for a few years though as I believe he sold up and moved to a nearby flat a couple of years ago.
Odd that Notting Hill should comprise within its environs such extremes from the political spectrum as Benn and Osborne, although I am sure Tony Benn's late American wife and fellow socialist would have preferred her address to be recognised as being in Holland Park.
One of the great politicians of the 20th century. I wish him the very best.
A friend of mine was waiting in the rain in London in the eighties, when Tony Benn came out of an office and got into a car. He offered her a lift to the train station. She had a pleasant chat with him on the journey.
For all his odd politics, I believe him a genuinely kind and humble individual. I hope he gets well soon.
My Brother once shared a vehicle with Gordon Brown at about the same time, but was less than impressed!
Damn. Not sure if it has already been mentioned but I just caught up with the news that Tony Benn is seriously ill in hospital.
I wish him all the very best. He may have been from the opposite end of the political spectrum to me but he is a man of great integrity and one of the best Parliamentarians of the 20th century and I do hope he makes a good recovery.
Hear hear Richard - while you probably would have agreed only on Europe, some things transcend politics. Your post does you enormous credit.
Tony Benn was a familiar figure around Holland Park living in a large house on Holland Park Avenue (at the Notting Hill Gate end). It's stand out feature was a bright red front door!
I haven't seen him around for a few years though as I believe he sold up and moved to a nearby flat a couple of years ago.
Odd that Notting Hill should comprise within its environs such extremes from the political spectrum as Benn and Osborne, although I am sure Tony Benn's late American wife and fellow socialist would have preferred her address to be recognised as being in Holland Park.
One of the great politicians of the 20th century. I wish him the very best.
Anyone who has sky on demand, his 'In confidence' interview with Laurie Taylor is available
Lets hope Miliband's Labour Government is better than that wretched lot, the signs are very promising.
Ah, the triumph of blind hope over years of experience.
Good luck with that.
Can't be any worse.
For a start, they'll repeal the Tory "Flog The NHS" Bill on day one. Ish. For that alone they deserve to Govern.
Labour were the first party ever to privatise the running of an NHS hospital. We can only imagine what you would have had to say about that if Thatcher had done it.
Labour brought the use of PFI in health and education and other public services to unprecedented levels.
This foul weather could be good news for LD, Conservative and UKIP vote share.
None of them will win it but there are a tremendous amount of Labour voters who'll only bother to make it down to the polling booth in the fairest of weather.
Actually scrap the bit about the Lib Dems not sure there are many left near Manchester.
The leaked details of encounter between Mitchell & police on night before 'Plebgate', in full http://thetim.es/Mdw6FR pic.twitter.com/U6563Cp46t
Oh dear, the language reported by the Police doesn't seem very inflammatory:
"I am the Government Chief Whip and I will be leaving via these gates. I have been in and out of these gates three times today and I will be leaving this way, thank you."
It does though show a fair amount of pomposity and arrogance.
But surely the right course of action for the Police when trying to enforce a new ruling on who should be permitted to use the gates is for the policeman on duty to comply with the request, report the incident and seek confirmation of policy from his commanding officer. Then for a senior Met officer to contact the Cabinet Secretary explaining the new policy and gaining official support for its implementation.
The Times report shows that much of this was happening but it appears that a duty officer must have 'jumped the gun' on the following day by forcing a confrontation.
This foul weather could be good news for LD, Conservative and UKIP vote share.
None of them will win it but there are a tremendous amount of Labour voters who'll only bother to make it down to the polling booth in the fairest of weather.
Actually scrap the bit about the Lib Dems not sure there are many left near Manchester.
An endangered species.
Can the 20 posters who voted labour in the poll to finish 2nd above,show yourselves ;-)
The Times report shows that much of this was happening but it appears that a duty officer must have 'jumped the gun' on the following day by forcing a confrontation.
This foul weather could be good news for LD, Conservative and UKIP vote share.
None of them will win it but there are a tremendous amount of Labour voters who'll only bother to make it down to the polling booth in the fairest of weather.
Actually scrap the bit about the Lib Dems not sure there are many left near Manchester.
An endangered species.
Can the 20 posters who voted labour in the poll to finish 2nd above,show yourselves ;-)
One was me, Tyke.
I explained my primary reason at the beginning of the thread.
The Times report shows that much of this was happening but it appears that a duty officer must have 'jumped the gun' on the following day by forcing a confrontation.
The rest as they say is [ongoing] history!
My comments at the time surmised all of this...
Psyops would have pushed until they got the reaction they wanted.
My view is that in this case the outcome was an unplanned accident followed by panic and fitting up. Though I stress this is just one of many plausible speculations as to what happened.
I've got a problem with an iTunes download on iPad . A film I don't want any more is stuck in the queue but I can't get rid of it because the edit function is working properly.
In fact it's the problem described in this thread, but the solutions posited aren't working for me:
This foul weather could be good news for LD, Conservative and UKIP vote share.
None of them will win it but there are a tremendous amount of Labour voters who'll only bother to make it down to the polling booth in the fairest of weather.
Actually scrap the bit about the Lib Dems not sure there are many left near Manchester.
An endangered species.
That would be true if it wasn't for the 17,000 postal votes that have apparently been applied for.
Anyone who has sky on demand, his 'In confidence' interview with Laurie Taylor is available
Another Old Boy of my school. Reputedly the inspiration for Howard Kirk of 'the History Man' fame.
His "Thinking Allowed" is one of the best programmes on the wireless...
I always listen to it. I was amazed to find it only started in about 1998: I thought it was one of those Radio 4 programmes which had been going on for many decades.
so far this by election i have received 2 leaflets from the Greens , BNP and the Lib Dems. 3 from the Tories and maybe 5 or 6 from UKIP and Labour. Window poster wise in my bit of Manchester not seen many.1 labour.2 Lib Dems and 2 Loony. Also no polling card, presume this is par for the course for a by election. I will carry out my democratic duty tomorrow.My main motivation in the recent past has been to cast my vote for whomever i think will stand the best chance of beating Labour , which as meant Tory in the general elections and Lib Dem in the locals. To be honest not inspired by any party at the moment and was toying with the idea of voting Loony as a protest vote, but this evening i received a Labour leaflet which was in the form of a letter from some women who lives in the constituency, describing herself as " not a political person" It contains all sorts of nonsense about Maggie Thatcher , the poll tax , no books or heating in classrooms and people dying on stretchers on hospital corridors and the classic line "my parents always told me it was important to vote for Labour when an election comes round" Such drivel has convinced me to vote for the party most likely to give Labour a run for their money, god forgive me but i'll be voting UKIP. PS my predictions: Lib Dems and Greens to lose deposit, Loonys to poll more than BNP
This foul weather could be good news for LD, Conservative and UKIP vote share.
None of them will win it but there are a tremendous amount of Labour voters who'll only bother to make it down to the polling booth in the fairest of weather.
Actually scrap the bit about the Lib Dems not sure there are many left near Manchester.
An endangered species.
That would be true if it wasn't for the 17,000 postal votes that have apparently been applied for.
Why on earth would you vote UKIP in response to that letter?! I would vote Conservative and be damned. Thatcher was above all else a pragmatist, and she won three consecutive GE's after she had managed to smash the glass ceiling for female politicians at Westminster in the most traditional and oldest of the political parties. Farage on the other hand, is simple a very lazy and opportunistic caricature of the very opponents within the Conservative party that Thatcher had to face down and defeat. I wouldn't waste my vote or my time on him or his party, especially when it seems hell bent on destroying the party that Thatcher devoted her life to modernising and turning into a Government that represented the many rather than the few on the far right of politics.
so far this by election i have received 2 leaflets from the Greens , BNP and the Lib Dems. 3 from the Tories and maybe 5 or 6 from UKIP and Labour. Window poster wise in my bit of Manchester not seen many.1 labour.2 Lib Dems and 2 Loony. Also no polling card, presume this is par for the course for a by election. I will carry out my democratic duty tomorrow.My main motivation in the recent past has been to cast my vote for whomever i think will stand the best chance of beating Labour , which as meant Tory in the general elections and Lib Dem in the locals. To be honest not inspired by any party at the moment and was toying with the idea of voting Loony as a protest vote, but this evening i received a Labour leaflet which was in the form of a letter from some women who lives in the constituency, describing herself as " not a political person" It contains all sorts of nonsense about Maggie Thatcher , the poll tax , no books or heating in classrooms and people dying on stretchers on hospital corridors and the classic line "my parents always told me it was important to vote for Labour when an election comes round" Such drivel has convinced me to vote for the party most likely to give Labour a run for their money, god forgive me but i'll be voting UKIP. PS my predictions: Lib Dems and Greens to lose deposit, Loonys to poll more than BNP
After CVS said they were going to stop selling cigarettes, posters on the Boston Globe were demanding that they stop selling candy and soda as well. Then a few days later, one of the paper's columnists wrote a piece demanding that gas stations and mom and pop stores stop selling cigarettes.
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Anyway. Past bedtime.
'Biggest cheer at the Emirates tonight by #AFC? To an announcement for the MUFC away fans that no more trains leaving Euston.'
'Second biggest cheer? The M6 has just been closed.'
I doubt many Man U fans made it up from Cornwall for the game in the first place.
Another example to prove our point.
twitter.com/cobijbudge/status/433675691767259136/photo/1
I haven't seen him around for a few years though as I believe he sold up and moved to a nearby flat a couple of years ago.
Odd that Notting Hill should comprise within its environs such extremes from the political spectrum as Benn and Osborne, although I am sure Tony Benn's late American wife and fellow socialist would have preferred her address to be recognised as being in Holland Park.
One of the great politicians of the 20th century. I wish him the very best.
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
Good luck with that.
His "Thinking Allowed" is one of the best programmes on the wireless...
3 years in ,with a miliband Government ?
Labour brought the use of PFI in health and education and other public services to unprecedented levels.
They even privatised air traffic control.
They could definitely do worse.
None of them will win it but there are a tremendous amount of Labour voters who'll only bother to make it down to the polling booth in the fairest of weather.
Actually scrap the bit about the Lib Dems not sure there are many left near Manchester.
An endangered species.
"I am the Government Chief Whip and I will be leaving via these gates. I have been in and out of these gates three times today and I will be leaving this way, thank you."
It does though show a fair amount of pomposity and arrogance.
But surely the right course of action for the Police when trying to enforce a new ruling on who should be permitted to use the gates is for the policeman on duty to comply with the request, report the incident and seek confirmation of policy from his commanding officer. Then for a senior Met officer to contact the Cabinet Secretary explaining the new policy and gaining official support for its implementation.
The Times report shows that much of this was happening but it appears that a duty officer must have 'jumped the gun' on the following day by forcing a confrontation.
The rest as they say is [ongoing] history!
'For a start, they'll repeal the Tory "Flog The NHS" Bill on day one. Ish. For that alone they deserve to Govern.'
Surely you don't believe that crap?
I explained my primary reason at the beginning of the thread.
A secondary purpose was to agitate compouter.
My view is that in this case the outcome was an unplanned accident followed by panic and fitting up. Though I stress this is just one of many plausible speculations as to what happened.
Will the truth ever out?
In fact it's the problem described in this thread, but the solutions posited aren't working for me:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5400647
Also no polling card, presume this is par for the course for a by election.
I will carry out my democratic duty tomorrow.My main motivation in the recent past has been to cast my vote for whomever i think will stand the best chance of beating Labour , which as meant Tory in the general elections and Lib Dem in the locals.
To be honest not inspired by any party at the moment and was toying with the idea of voting Loony as a protest vote, but this evening i received a Labour leaflet which was in the form of a letter from some women who lives in the constituency, describing herself as " not a political person"
It contains all sorts of nonsense about Maggie Thatcher , the poll tax , no books or heating in classrooms and people dying on stretchers on hospital corridors and the classic line "my parents always told me it was important to vote for Labour when an election comes round"
Such drivel has convinced me to vote for the party most likely to give Labour a run for their money, god forgive me but i'll be voting UKIP.
PS my predictions: Lib Dems and Greens to lose deposit, Loonys to poll more than BNP
You ought to have got one, as far as I know.