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I'd love to see it but I think it's unlikely. The trouble is there is so much phoniness and dishonesty in Hollywood that his comments will seem inexplicable. He deserves our praise or as John Barnes said, a medal.Alanbrooke said:
I believe Liam Neeson is freeMarqueeMark said:Seems sorting out Brexit is only the second toughest job on the planet.
Hosting the Oscars get the award. No-one wants to do it. So this year - there is no host.
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That suggests DfIT is totally unfit for purpose.rcs1000 said:
The situation is actually even worse than that. As everyone knows, the UK and Switzerland announced an agreement to maintain a free trade agreement in a No Deal scenario. Unfortunately, the legal text of the proposed agreement still doesn't exist. The DfIT got the principle agreed, but hasn't actually done the hard work of getting an actual binding agreement drafted and signed.Scott_P said:
It now looks next to impossible that this will be done by Brexit day.
Dr Liam Fox has been a disastrous cabinet minister. The history books will not be kind.
Which seems to be the default state of every government department.0 -
You realise why legal text to maintain the status quo with Switzerland is so problematic?rcs1000 said:
The situation is actually even worse than that. As everyone knows, the UK and Switzerland announced an agreement to maintain a free trade agreement in a No Deal scenario. Unfortunately, the legal text of the proposed agreement still doesn't exist. The DfIT got the principle agreed, but hasn't actually done the hard work of getting an actual binding agreement drafted and signed.Scott_P said:
It now looks next to impossible that this will be done by Brexit day.
Dr Liam Fox has been a disastrous cabinet minister. The history books will not be kind.0 -
I know Professor Minford and was lucky enough to be on a course taught party by him. He is very, very bright.TOPPING said:
Have you seen Liam Fox's latest flag flying, Robert? Writing to each industry sector asking if an abolition of tariffs would harm them or not.rcs1000 said:
Personally view, incumbents lose reelection bids, rather than challengers win them.Martin_Kinsella said:
So how will she appeal to the rust belt and other parts of the US. Another West Coast liberal. Needs to pick her running mate carefully if she gets the nomination.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Harris is clearly going to win this. One hopes.
Bush W lost because the US economy had just gone through a painful recession, and he'd raised taxes.
Carter lost because the US economy had just gone through a painful recession, and there had been a series of embarassing military setbacks.
Ford lost because the Republican Party was still reeling from the departure of both the previous Presient and Vice-President
etc.
If Trump is sufficiently unpopular with independents, or if the US economy weakens (especially in the rust belt), then it may not matter who his opponent is. (See Carter.)
Ceramics on R4 this morning saying it would.
Minford Victorius are we really going there?
But I think he's naive about the effects of an immediate abolition of all tariffs. The consequences for the UK economy would be three fold:
1. In sectors like agriculture, there would be a severe impact, especially as a lot of traditional export markets would have tariff barriers.
2. The savings rate would drop. Tariffs are effectively a tax on spending over saving*. If you make spending suddenly cheaper, then people will spend more. It would make the UK economy even more unbalanced. Which is not what
3. We would lose all leverage in persuading other countries to lower their tariff and non-tariff barriers.
* Well worth reading Michael Pettis on this.0 -
Lower lows and lower highs.SouthamObserver said:0 -
The rust belt is not an impregnable fortress. Trump won the rust belt states only by tiny margins despite Hillary not deigning to show up.Martin_Kinsella said:
So how will she appeal to the rust belt and other parts of the US. Another West Coast liberal. Needs to pick her running mate carefully if she gets the nomination.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Harris is clearly going to win this. One hopes.0 -
Thanks will look him out.rcs1000 said:
* Well worth reading Michael Pettis on this.TOPPING said:
Have you seen Liam Fox's latest flag flying, Robert? Writing to each industry sector asking if an abolition of tariffs would harm them or not.rcs1000 said:
Personally view, incumbents lose reelection bids, rather than challengers win them.Martin_Kinsella said:
So how will she appeal to the rust belt and other parts of the US. Another West Coast liberal. Needs to pick her running mate carefully if she gets the nomination.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Harris is clearly going to win this. One hopes.
Bush W lost because the US economy had just gone through a painful recession, and he'd raised taxes.
Carter lost because the US economy had just gone through a painful recession, and there had been a series of embarassing military setbacks.
Ford lost because the Republican Party was still reeling from the departure of both the previous Presient and Vice-President
etc.
If Trump is sufficiently unpopular with independents, or if the US economy weakens (especially in the rust belt), then it may not matter who his opponent is. (See Carter.)
Ceramics on R4 this morning saying it would.
Minford Victorius are we really going there?0 -
Of course we are.TOPPING said:
Have you seen Liam Fox's latest flag flying, Robert? Writing to each industry sector asking if an abolition of tariffs would harm them or not.rcs1000 said:
Personally view, incumbents lose reelection bids, rather than challengers win them.Martin_Kinsella said:
So how will she appeal to the rust belt and other parts of the US. Another West Coast liberal. Needs to pick her running mate carefully if she gets the nomination.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Harris is clearly going to win this. One hopes.
Bush W lost because the US economy had just gone through a painful recession, and he'd raised taxes.
Carter lost because the US economy had just gone through a painful recession, and there had been a series of embarassing military setbacks.
Ford lost because the Republican Party was still reeling from the departure of both the previous Presient and Vice-President
etc.
If Trump is sufficiently unpopular with independents, or if the US economy weakens (especially in the rust belt), then it may not matter who his opponent is. (See Carter.)
Ceramics on R4 this morning saying it would.
Minford Victorius are we really going there?
Mad Max Fac for imports at UK borders is a nailed on certainty in the event of No Deal, at very least temporarily.0 -
Trump would have won those states by more if Hillary had deigned to show up.DecrepitJohnL said:
The rust belt is not an impregnable fortress. Trump won the rust belt states only by tiny margins despite Hillary not deigning to show up.Martin_Kinsella said:
So how will she appeal to the rust belt and other parts of the US. Another West Coast liberal. Needs to pick her running mate carefully if she gets the nomination.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Harris is clearly going to win this. One hopes.
The effect other Democrats have might be different.0 -
Macron has had a bounce since the new year. The issue he faces is that he is promising lots of things to lots of people from his debat nationale. He is raising expectations looking at what is on his plate he can only disappoint.SouthamObserver said:0 -
The particular problem with DfIT is that Dr Fox has been unfailingly loyal to Mrs May, and as he's the only Leaver whose stuck around, she daren't sack him, despite the fact that he has been an utter disaster.another_richard said:
That suggests DfIT is totally unfit for purpose.rcs1000 said:
The situation is actually even worse than that. As everyone knows, the UK and Switzerland announced an agreement to maintain a free trade agreement in a No Deal scenario. Unfortunately, the legal text of the proposed agreement still doesn't exist. The DfIT got the principle agreed, but hasn't actually done the hard work of getting an actual binding agreement drafted and signed.Scott_P said:
It now looks next to impossible that this will be done by Brexit day.
Dr Liam Fox has been a disastrous cabinet minister. The history books will not be kind.
Which seems to be the default state of every government department.
He should never have been appointed to the role. He sent a limited number of gifted negotiators and trade lawyers to the wrong places. And he lost a number of senior (and dedicated) people to the private sector because the department is disfunctional.
Realising what a terrible f*ck up he's made, he's now proposing abondoning all tariffs (great in theory). But even here he's done a terrible job. There has been f*ck all work done on replicating existing non-contraversial mutual standards recognition agreements.
Right. Rant over. I warned everyone on the board repeatedly over the last two years that Dr Fox was unfit for purpose. His incompetence has made No Deal Brexit significantly more disruptive and dangerous than it might have been.0 -
The Giletes Jaunes have been manna from heaven for Macron. He's been able to pose as a defender of the middle classes from the loonies.another_richard said:
Lower lows and lower highs.SouthamObserver said:
(And a lit bit of credit is due to him. He hasn't caved like, errrrr, practically all previous French Presidents.)0 -
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Shocking considering we held all the cards and the EU need us more than we need them.rcs1000 said:
The particular problem with DfIT is that Dr Fox has been unfailingly loyal to Mrs May, and as he's the only Leaver whose stuck around, she daren't sack him, despite the fact that he has been an utter disaster.another_richard said:
That suggests DfIT is totally unfit for purpose.rcs1000 said:
The situation is actually even worse than that. As everyone knows, the UK and Switzerland announced an agreement to maintain a free trade agreement in a No Deal scenario. Unfortunately, the legal text of the proposed agreement still doesn't exist. The DfIT got the principle agreed, but hasn't actually done the hard work of getting an actual binding agreement drafted and signed.Scott_P said:
It now looks next to impossible that this will be done by Brexit day.
Dr Liam Fox has been a disastrous cabinet minister. The history books will not be kind.
Which seems to be the default state of every government department.
He should never have been appointed to the role. He sent a limited number of gifted negotiators and trade lawyers to the wrong places. And he lost a number of senior (and dedicated) people to the private sector because the department is disfunctional.
Realising what a terrible f*ck up he's made, he's now proposing abondoning all tariffs (great in theory). But even here he's done a terrible job. There has been f*ck all work done on replicating existing non-contraversial mutual standards recognition agreements.
Right. Rant over. I warned everyone on the board repeatedly over the last two years that Dr Fox was unfit for purpose. His incompetence has made No Deal Brexit significantly more disruptive and dangerous than it might have been.0 -
But if they had said “Army beat off William’s attacks and survived nearly the whole day” it would have been okydoethur said:
It said 'his army survived nearly the whole day to beat off William's attacks.'Charles said:
I don’t have quite in front of me but I do t think it didydoethur said:@Richard_Tyndall
Please go back and read the quote again.
It says Harold won the Battle of Hastings.
Now I appreciate somebody whose knowledge of education and history comes from the work of liar, forger and pseudoscholar Dominic Cummings is going to be overloaded with myths.
But I think you will find if you check carefully that actually William won. That's why the entire fecking module is called 'The Norman Conquest of England 1066-1100.'
This is one of a huge number of errors I have been coming across, although it's the daftest. For example, claims about the importance of universities in Norman England (there weren't any, Oxford being a school at the time) or that the Duke of Suffolk wasn't murdered in 1450 (astonishingly, an error that wasn't overturned on both appeal and complaint). And these are at least partly due to the rushed way your hero brought in these reforms and the incompetence he and his acolytes showed in administering them.
As for your personal abuse about my qualifications, when you tell me you have written five history books, eight scholarly articles and worked in a university history department as a lecturer for four years I'll accept that from you, and not one second before.
I think it is poorly written but trying to say that you can argue that Harold was a brilliant and imaginative commander - against all the odds he did incredible things and his troops nearly managed to hold out
Edit - I'm not making any comment either way on Harold's ability, just making the point that this sentence without qualification is simply wrong. What I think they meant to say was 'Harold's army maintained cohesion most off the day, beating off numerous attacks by the Normans, before breaking in the afternoon.' But that's not what it says.
I think it’s sloppy proof reading rather than they don’t know what they are doing0 -
the gilets jaunes will help Macron by contesting the European elections, they will split the protest vote and give him a clear run, he should be grateful to themrcs1000 said:
The Giletes Jaunes have been manna from heaven for Macron. He's been able to pose as a defender of the middle classes from the loonies.another_richard said:
Lower lows and lower highs.SouthamObserver said:
(And a lit bit of credit is due to him. He hasn't caved like, errrrr, practically all previous French Presidents.)0 -
Mr Roger,
Your definition is a brave attempt but there are logical fallacies. It seems to boil down to a subjective view - which is fair enough. Chavez would be a populist but his policies weren't de facto amoral. Some were worthy, but as with Cuba, there's a tendency to run out of money unless you protect the sources of revenue.
Napoleon (the pig, not the Emperor) discovered that. Farmer Jones didn't make Venezuela strip the assets of the oil industry and reduce its production, although the Greens might applaud his actions. Trotsky's aim was to make the whole world communist, so that problem didn't exist.
The problem emerges when production falters. You either accept the risk of a backlash or you repress totally. It will always be the latter because 'they' always know they're right. Hence Castro's exhortation to Kruschev' during the Cuban Missile Crisis to start World War Three 'for the sake of socialism'. Cuba is ready to be destroyed for that purpose.
And we thought IS was bad!
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Neither did Remainers - or they would have mentioned it continually in their otherwise misleading adverts.SouthamObserver said:This is true, isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1093026626521235456?s=210 -
I think people sometimes forget how close HRC came to winning.DecrepitJohnL said:
The rust belt is not an impregnable fortress. Trump won the rust belt states only by tiny margins despite Hillary not deigning to show up.Martin_Kinsella said:
So how will she appeal to the rust belt and other parts of the US. Another West Coast liberal. Needs to pick her running mate carefully if she gets the nomination.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Harris is clearly going to win this. One hopes.0 -
I'm surprised they haven't arrested him. If he was living in the UK I'm sure they would have.FrankBooth said:
I'd love to see it but I think it's unlikely. The trouble is there is so much phoniness and dishonesty in Hollywood that his comments will seem inexplicable. He deserves our praise or as John Barnes said, a medal.Alanbrooke said:
I believe Liam Neeson is freeMarqueeMark said:Seems sorting out Brexit is only the second toughest job on the planet.
Hosting the Oscars get the award. No-one wants to do it. So this year - there is no host.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-471391230 -
The popularity of Liam Fox has been one of the great mysteries to me.rcs1000 said:
The particular problem with DfIT is that Dr Fox has been unfailingly loyal to Mrs May, and as he's the only Leaver whose stuck around, she daren't sack him, despite the fact that he has been an utter disaster.another_richard said:
That suggests DfIT is totally unfit for purpose.rcs1000 said:
The situation is actually even worse than that. As everyone knows, the UK and Switzerland announced an agreement to maintain a free trade agreement in a No Deal scenario. Unfortunately, the legal text of the proposed agreement still doesn't exist. The DfIT got the principle agreed, but hasn't actually done the hard work of getting an actual binding agreement drafted and signed.Scott_P said:
It now looks next to impossible that this will be done by Brexit day.
Dr Liam Fox has been a disastrous cabinet minister. The history books will not be kind.
Which seems to be the default state of every government department.
He should never have been appointed to the role. He sent a limited number of gifted negotiators and trade lawyers to the wrong places. And he lost a number of senior (and dedicated) people to the private sector because the department is disfunctional.
Realising what a terrible f*ck up he's made, he's now proposing abondoning all tariffs (great in theory). But even here he's done a terrible job. There has been f*ck all work done on replicating existing non-contraversial mutual standards recognition agreements.
Right. Rant over. I warned everyone on the board repeatedly over the last two years that Dr Fox was unfit for purpose. His incompetence has made No Deal Brexit significantly more disruptive and dangerous than it might have been.
Cameron rated him highly, May gave him a job when she didn't have to and he seems to be popular among many Conservatives.
My theory is that he's benefited from some 'wise Scottish doctor' meme which subconsciously impresses people.0 -
Professor Minford is very bright as is often the case, focuses so narrowly on one area that he misses other important issues. And your point 3 is the important one here - to get access to export markets we would need to make importing into the UK so painful that it's worth giving us access to their markets by agreeing a trade deal...rcs1000 said:
I know Professor Minford and was lucky enough to be on a course taught party by him. He is very, very bright.
But I think he's naive about the effects of an immediate abolition of all tariffs. The consequences for the UK economy would be three fold:
1. In sectors like agriculture, there would be a severe impact, especially as a lot of traditional export markets would have tariff barriers.
2. The savings rate would drop. Tariffs are effectively a tax on spending over saving*. If you make spending suddenly cheaper, then people will spend more. It would make the UK economy even more unbalanced. Which is not what
3. We would lose all leverage in persuading other countries to lower their tariff and non-tariff barriers.
* Well worth reading Michael Pettis on this.
Thankfully as my job is invisible exports I can't see how things will impact me.0 -
https://twitter.com/vote_leave/status/740860803855831040?s=21TheAncientMariner said:
Neither did Remainers - or they would have mentioned it continually in their otherwise misleading adverts.SouthamObserver said:This is true, isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1093026626521235456?s=210 -
Dark chocolate digestivesMarqueeMark said:
2. Milk Chocolate Hobnobs or Plain Chocolate Hobnobs?Dadge said:
1. They're called Hobnobs. 2. If you mean chocolate Hobnobs you should say so.viewcode said:
I can't do wine. Let's do best biscuits. First one to mention the best biscuit wins.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are back on PB favourite subject.....duff wine obvs.
Pause.
HOB-NOBS!
I win...
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Ahh - the thought process of a Remainer encapsulated.eek said:
But we also have a press that simply won't call people out as the idiots they are..Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. There is a certain segment of our political class that appeals to the populist agenda by saying "we have had enough of experts".eek said:
Unless and until we call out politicians on their lack of knowledge in areas they claim to know things about or to be responsible for we will continue to be in this mess...Nigel_Foremain said:
Liam Fox is a disgraced former General Practitioner. Asking him his views on business and trade is akin to asking a trade commissioner his/her views on how to treat your haemorrhoids, and whether they would inspect them for you .eek said:
Yep - someone really needs to ask Liam why every major country has a trade deal with South Korea. Hint - it's because their tariffs are so high you want one..TOPPING said:So Liam Fox is going the Minford route and looking to abolish all tariffs.
On the one hand they do indeed distort trade; while on the other hand destroying (mainly leaver?) manufacturing and agriculture is probably not what the burghers of Stoke were thinking.
Plus not a great augur for our free trade bargaining position.0 -
Yep - they are a God send, cheered on by left and right in the UK and elsewhere, of course.rcs1000 said:
The Giletes Jaunes have been manna from heaven for Macron. He's been able to pose as a defender of the middle classes from the loonies.another_richard said:
Lower lows and lower highs.SouthamObserver said:
(And a lit bit of credit is due to him. He hasn't caved like, errrrr, practically all previous French Presidents.)
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Dark chocolate kitkats.Charles said:
Dark chocolate digestivesMarqueeMark said:
2. Milk Chocolate Hobnobs or Plain Chocolate Hobnobs?Dadge said:
1. They're called Hobnobs. 2. If you mean chocolate Hobnobs you should say so.viewcode said:
I can't do wine. Let's do best biscuits. First one to mention the best biscuit wins.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are back on PB favourite subject.....duff wine obvs.
Pause.
HOB-NOBS!
I win...0 -
Hasn't Macron reversed the fuel tax increases ?rcs1000 said:
The Giletes Jaunes have been manna from heaven for Macron. He's been able to pose as a defender of the middle classes from the loonies.another_richard said:
Lower lows and lower highs.SouthamObserver said:
(And a lit bit of credit is due to him. He hasn't caved like, errrrr, practically all previous French Presidents.)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-protests-idUSKBN1O30MX0 -
Years ago the Co-op used to make Milk Chocolate Nice biscuits. As a Uni student I used to have them as they were so sickly sweet no-one else would touch them and you could never eat more than 1 or 2.Charles said:
Dark chocolate digestivesMarqueeMark said:
2. Milk Chocolate Hobnobs or Plain Chocolate Hobnobs?Dadge said:
1. They're called Hobnobs. 2. If you mean chocolate Hobnobs you should say so.viewcode said:
I can't do wine. Let's do best biscuits. First one to mention the best biscuit wins.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are back on PB favourite subject.....duff wine obvs.
Pause.
HOB-NOBS!
I win...
Nowadays you can't beat https://www.ringtons.co.uk/treats-c8/biscuits-c13/ringtons-dark-chocolate-ginger-biscuits-p857 when they are available or https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B007NG5G8A/ when in Austria...0 -
On point 2 is that not likely to cause an economic boom (or at least prevent a recession) in the short term?rcs1000 said:
I know Professor Minford and was lucky enough to be on a course taught party by him. He is very, very bright.TOPPING said:
Have you seen Liam Fox's latest flag flying, Robert? Writing to each industry sector asking if an abolition of tariffs would harm them or not.rcs1000 said:
Personally view, incumbents lose reelection bids, rather than challengers win them.Martin_Kinsella said:
So how will she appeal to the rust belt and other parts of the US. Another West Coast liberal. Needs to pick her running mate carefully if she gets the nomination.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Harris is clearly going to win this. One hopes.
Bush W lost because the US economy had just gone through a painful recession, and he'd raised taxes.
Carter lost because the US economy had just gone through a painful recession, and there had been a series of embarassing military setbacks.
Ford lost because the Republican Party was still reeling from the departure of both the previous Presient and Vice-President
etc.
If Trump is sufficiently unpopular with independents, or if the US economy weakens (especially in the rust belt), then it may not matter who his opponent is. (See Carter.)
Ceramics on R4 this morning saying it would.
Minford Victorius are we really going there?
But I think he's naive about the effects of an immediate abolition of all tariffs. The consequences for the UK economy would be three fold:
1. In sectors like agriculture, there would be a severe impact, especially as a lot of traditional export markets would have tariff barriers.
2. The savings rate would drop. Tariffs are effectively a tax on spending over saving*. If you make spending suddenly cheaper, then people will spend more. It would make the UK economy even more unbalanced. Which is not what
3. We would lose all leverage in persuading other countries to lower their tariff and non-tariff barriers.
* Well worth reading Michael Pettis on this.
At a point where it looks like the Eurozone is teetering on the brink of recession it would be quite ironic if we left without a deal, without paying billions in severance and entered a mid 90s style boom while they hit a recession.
Even if it is unbalanced and temporary if that happens it will help address point 3. Non tariff barriers will still be an issue and if the worlds 5th largest economy is booming we will have more leverage than people expect in negotiations.0 -
5-6 is nearly a while fighting dayydoethur said:
The real problem is it implies the Saxons beat off all the Norman attacks. It overlooks the fairly important point that they broke at the last one...MarqueeMark said:
Surely, "survived nearly the whole day" must imply "but it did not survive the whole day"?ydoethur said:
It said 'his army survived nearly the whole day to beat off William's attacks.'Charles said:
I don’t have quite in front of me but I do t think it didydoethur said:@Richard_Tyndall
Please go back and read the quote again.
It says Harold won the Battle of Hastings.
Now I appreciate somebody whose knowledge of education and history comes from the work of liar, forger and pseudoscholar Dominic Cummings is going to be overloaded with myths.
But I think you will find if you check carefully that actually William won. That's why the entire fecking module is called 'The Norman Conquest of England 1066-1100.'
This is one of a huge number of errors I have been coming across, although it's the daftest. For example, claims about the importance of universities in Norman England (there weren't any, Oxford being a school at the time) or that the Duke of Suffolk wasn't murdered in 1450 (astonishingly, an error that wasn't overturned on both appeal and complaint). And these are at least partly due to the rushed way your hero brought in these reforms and the incompetence he and his acolytes showed in administering them.
As for your personal abuse about my qualifications, when you tell me you have written five history books, eight scholarly articles and worked in a university history department as a lecturer for four years I'll accept that from you, and not one second before.
I think it is poorly written but trying to say that you can argue that Harold was a brilliant and imaginative commander - against all the odds he did incredible things and his troops nearly managed to hold out
Edit - I'm not making any comment either way on Harold's ability, just making the point that this sentence without qualification is simply wrong. What I think they meant to say was 'Harold's army maintained cohesion most off the day, beating off numerous attacks by the Normans, before breaking in the afternoon.' But that's not what it says.
But yes, this person should be given some LEGO rather than words to work with.
(In any case, they seem to have lasted about five or six hours, which is not really 'nearly the whole day.' It's a bit like saying 'almost everyone voted Leave.')0 -
Sir John Major and Tony Blair did.TheAncientMariner said:
Neither did Remainers - or they would have mentioned it continually in their otherwise misleading adverts.SouthamObserver said:This is true, isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1093026626521235456?s=21
THERESA MAY’S visit to Belfast to discuss the so-called backstop should be set in the context of the EU referendum when Sir John Major and Tony Blair undertook a series of joint engagements in Northern Ireland.
Former premiers who brought about the peace process, they warned that a Leave vote may put Northern Ireland’s “future at risk” by threatening its current stability and re-open Scotland’s independence issue.
Yet the reaction of Leave campaigners at the time was one of incredulity. Theresa Villiers, the Brexit-supporting Northern Ireland Secretary, said it was “highly irresponsible” to suggest peace was at risk while Arlene Foster, who is still leader of the DUP, said that she found the intervention “rather sad”.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/the-yorkshire-post-says-no-hard-border-sir-john-major-and-tony-blair-were-ignored-over-northern-ireland-1-9575414/amp0 -
I think it's more that he is that rare combination of being a lunatic headbanger about the EU and not a completely treacherous shit. Since that is a very lightly populated sector of the Venn diagram, it means that the quality threshold is set at a much lower level.another_richard said:
The popularity of Liam Fox has been one of the great mysteries to me.rcs1000 said:
The particular problem with DfIT is that Dr Fox has been unfailingly loyal to Mrs May, and as he's the only Leaver whose stuck around, she daren't sack him, despite the fact that he has been an utter disaster.another_richard said:
That suggests DfIT is totally unfit for purpose.rcs1000 said:
The situation is actually even worse than that. As everyone knows, the UK and Switzerland announced an agreement to maintain a free trade agreement in a No Deal scenario. Unfortunately, the legal text of the proposed agreement still doesn't exist. The DfIT got the principle agreed, but hasn't actually done the hard work of getting an actual binding agreement drafted and signed.Scott_P said:
It now looks next to impossible that this will be done by Brexit day.
Dr Liam Fox has been a disastrous cabinet minister. The history books will not be kind.
Which seems to be the default state of every government department.
He should never have been appointed to the role. He sent a limited number of gifted negotiators and trade lawyers to the wrong places. And he lost a number of senior (and dedicated) people to the private sector because the department is disfunctional.
Realising what a terrible f*ck up he's made, he's now proposing abondoning all tariffs (great in theory). But even here he's done a terrible job. There has been f*ck all work done on replicating existing non-contraversial mutual standards recognition agreements.
Right. Rant over. I warned everyone on the board repeatedly over the last two years that Dr Fox was unfit for purpose. His incompetence has made No Deal Brexit significantly more disruptive and dangerous than it might have been.
Cameron rated him highly, May gave him a job when she didn't have to and he seems to be popular among many Conservatives.
My theory is that he's benefited from some 'wise Scottish doctor' meme which subconsciously impresses people.0 -
Can we call populism the pineapple slices on a Pizza?
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I know. I was simplifying for @kle4IanB2 said:
More specifically, that the cork has dried out, let some air in, which has started to oxidise the wine.Charles said:
It basically means the wine has gone offkle4 said:I confess I don't know what being 'horribly corked' means for wine. What do they mess up while corking which ruins the taste?
If ST has kept it for six months, it could easily be his fault, if he has kept it somewhere warm and standing up so the cork isn't kept moist.0 -
I've read the quote and I think it's poorly worded. But it does not say Harold won the Battle of Hastings.Charles said:
But if they had said “Army beat off William’s attacks and survived nearly the whole day” it would have been okydoethur said:
It said 'his army survived nearly the whole day to beat off William's attacks.'Charles said:
I don’t have quite in front of me but I do t think it didydoethur said:@Richard_Tyndall
Please go back and read the quote again.
It says Harold won the Battle of Hastings.
Now I appreciate somebody whose knowledge of education and history comes from the work of liar, forger and pseudoscholar Dominic Cummings is going to be overloaded with myths.
But I think you will find if you check carefully that actually William won. That's why the entire fecking module is called 'The Norman Conquest of England 1066-1100.'
This is one of a huge number of errors I have been coming across, although it's the daftest. For example, claims about the importance of universities in Norman England (there weren't any, Oxford being a school at the time) or that the Duke of Suffolk wasn't murdered in 1450 (astonishingly, an error that wasn't overturned on both appeal and complaint). And these are at least partly due to the rushed way your hero brought in these reforms and the incompetence he and his acolytes showed in administering them.
As for your personal abuse about my qualifications, when you tell me you have written five history books, eight scholarly articles and worked in a university history department as a lecturer for four years I'll accept that from you, and not one second before.
I think it is poorly written but trying to say that you can argue that Harold was a brilliant and imaginative commander - against all the odds he did incredible things and his troops nearly managed to hold out
Edit - I'm not making any comment either way on Harold's ability, just making the point that this sentence without qualification is simply wrong. What I think they meant to say was 'Harold's army maintained cohesion most off the day, beating off numerous attacks by the Normans, before breaking in the afternoon.' But that's not what it says.
I think it’s sloppy proof reading rather than they don’t know what they are doing0 -
I should probably have said "hasn't caved quite as cravenly or universally as previous Presidents"...another_richard said:
Hasn't Macron reversed the fuel tax increases ?rcs1000 said:
The Giletes Jaunes have been manna from heaven for Macron. He's been able to pose as a defender of the middle classes from the loonies.another_richard said:
Lower lows and lower highs.SouthamObserver said:
(And a lit bit of credit is due to him. He hasn't caved like, errrrr, practically all previous French Presidents.)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-protests-idUSKBN1O30MX0 -
I think you were pushing at something of an open door there.rcs1000 said:
The particular problem with DfIT is that Dr Fox has been unfailingly loyal to Mrs May, and as he's the only Leaver whose stuck around, she daren't sack him, despite the fact that he has been an utter disaster.another_richard said:
That suggests DfIT is totally unfit for purpose.rcs1000 said:
The situation is actually even worse than that. As everyone knows, the UK and Switzerland announced an agreement to maintain a free trade agreement in a No Deal scenario. Unfortunately, the legal text of the proposed agreement still doesn't exist. The DfIT got the principle agreed, but hasn't actually done the hard work of getting an actual binding agreement drafted and signed.Scott_P said:
It now looks next to impossible that this will be done by Brexit day.
Dr Liam Fox has been a disastrous cabinet minister. The history books will not be kind.
Which seems to be the default state of every government department.
He should never have been appointed to the role. He sent a limited number of gifted negotiators and trade lawyers to the wrong places. And he lost a number of senior (and dedicated) people to the private sector because the department is disfunctional.
Realising what a terrible f*ck up he's made, he's now proposing abondoning all tariffs (great in theory). But even here he's done a terrible job. There has been f*ck all work done on replicating existing non-contraversial mutual standards recognition agreements.
Right. Rant over. I warned everyone on the board repeatedly over the last two years that Dr Fox was unfit for purpose. His incompetence has made No Deal Brexit significantly more disruptive and dangerous than it might have been.
Aside from the most one eyed leavers, there seems to be something of a consensus over the uselessness of Fox.
As for Minford, he appears to fall into the category of very clever fool.0 -
early days, he has promised to reverse a whole slew of measures after his national debate. wealth tax, pensions taxation, speed limits all up for grabsrcs1000 said:
I should probably have said "hasn't caved quite as cravenly or universally as previous Presidents"...another_richard said:
Hasn't Macron reversed the fuel tax increases ?rcs1000 said:
The Giletes Jaunes have been manna from heaven for Macron. He's been able to pose as a defender of the middle classes from the loonies.another_richard said:
Lower lows and lower highs.SouthamObserver said:
(And a lit bit of credit is due to him. He hasn't caved like, errrrr, practically all previous French Presidents.)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-protests-idUSKBN1O30MX0 -
It was certainly there but I always thought the concerns of Ireland would be a minimal part of the campaign. I just don't see the sympathy for them outside privileged do-gooder circles. The reality is that the north is a major drain on our public finances with no sign of any changes that would make those funds less necessary. It's a completely alien place to most on the mainland and I don't think there is a great deal of concern for them. As for the south is has turned itself in to a tax haven whilst free-riding on issues like defence and security. None of this is recognised by the remain elite - perhaps because their idea of Ireland is still stuck in colonial times.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir John Major and Tony Blair did.TheAncientMariner said:
Neither did Remainers - or they would have mentioned it continually in their otherwise misleading adverts.SouthamObserver said:This is true, isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1093026626521235456?s=21
THERESA MAY’S visit to Belfast to discuss the so-called backstop should be set in the context of the EU referendum when Sir John Major and Tony Blair undertook a series of joint engagements in Northern Ireland.
Former premiers who brought about the peace process, they warned that a Leave vote may put Northern Ireland’s “future at risk” by threatening its current stability and re-open Scotland’s independence issue.
Yet the reaction of Leave campaigners at the time was one of incredulity. Theresa Villiers, the Brexit-supporting Northern Ireland Secretary, said it was “highly irresponsible” to suggest peace was at risk while Arlene Foster, who is still leader of the DUP, said that she found the intervention “rather sad”.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/the-yorkshire-post-says-no-hard-border-sir-john-major-and-tony-blair-were-ignored-over-northern-ireland-1-9575414/amp0 -
It was highly irresponsible and the actions of Varadkar and Barnier since are also highly irresponsible.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir John Major and Tony Blair did.TheAncientMariner said:
Neither did Remainers - or they would have mentioned it continually in their otherwise misleading adverts.SouthamObserver said:This is true, isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1093026626521235456?s=21
THERESA MAY’S visit to Belfast to discuss the so-called backstop should be set in the context of the EU referendum when Sir John Major and Tony Blair undertook a series of joint engagements in Northern Ireland.
Former premiers who brought about the peace process, they warned that a Leave vote may put Northern Ireland’s “future at risk” by threatening its current stability and re-open Scotland’s independence issue.
Yet the reaction of Leave campaigners at the time was one of incredulity. Theresa Villiers, the Brexit-supporting Northern Ireland Secretary, said it was “highly irresponsible” to suggest peace was at risk while Arlene Foster, who is still leader of the DUP, said that she found the intervention “rather sad”.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/the-yorkshire-post-says-no-hard-border-sir-john-major-and-tony-blair-were-ignored-over-northern-ireland-1-9575414/amp
I agree with Nobel Peace Prize winner David Trimble.0 -
Only if you don't count the lunch break.Charles said:
5-6 is nearly a while fighting dayydoethur said:
The real problem is it implies the Saxons beat off all the Norman attacks. It overlooks the fairly important point that they broke at the last one...MarqueeMark said:
Surely, "survived nearly the whole day" must imply "but it did not survive the whole day"?ydoethur said:
It said 'his army survived nearly the whole day to beat off William's attacks.'Charles said:
I don’t have quite in front of me but I do t think it didydoethur said:@Richard_Tyndall
Please go back and read the quote again.
It says Harold won the Battle of Hastings.
Now I appreciate somebody whose knowledge of education and history comes from the work of liar, forger and pseudoscholar Dominic Cummings is going to be overloaded with myths.
But I think you will find if you check carefully that actually William won. That's why the entire fecking module is called 'The Norman Conquest of England 1066-1100.'
This is one of a huge number of errors I have been coming across, although it's the daftest. For example, claims about the importance of universities in Norman England (there weren't any, Oxford being a school at the time) or that the Duke of Suffolk wasn't murdered in 1450 (astonishingly, an error that wasn't overturned on both appeal and complaint). And these are at least partly due to the rushed way your hero brought in these reforms and the incompetence he and his acolytes showed in administering them.
As for your personal abuse about my qualifications, when you tell me you have written five history books, eight scholarly articles and worked in a university history department as a lecturer for four years I'll accept that from you, and not one second before.
I think it is poorly written but trying to say that you can argue that Harold was a brilliant and imaginative commander - against all the odds he did incredible things and his troops nearly managed to hold out
Edit - I'm not making any comment either way on Harold's ability, just making the point that this sentence without qualification is simply wrong. What I think they meant to say was 'Harold's army maintained cohesion most off the day, beating off numerous attacks by the Normans, before breaking in the afternoon.' But that's not what it says.
But yes, this person should be given some LEGO rather than words to work with.
(In any case, they seem to have lasted about five or six hours, which is not really 'nearly the whole day.' It's a bit like saying 'almost everyone voted Leave.')0 -
Barnier just enacts what the EU 27 agreed. The Irish border was a major part of that.Philip_Thompson said:
It was highly irresponsible and the actions of Varadkar and Barnier since are also highly irresponsible.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir John Major and Tony Blair did.TheAncientMariner said:
Neither did Remainers - or they would have mentioned it continually in their otherwise misleading adverts.SouthamObserver said:This is true, isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1093026626521235456?s=21
THERESA MAY’S visit to Belfast to discuss the so-called backstop should be set in the context of the EU referendum when Sir John Major and Tony Blair undertook a series of joint engagements in Northern Ireland.
Former premiers who brought about the peace process, they warned that a Leave vote may put Northern Ireland’s “future at risk” by threatening its current stability and re-open Scotland’s independence issue.
Yet the reaction of Leave campaigners at the time was one of incredulity. Theresa Villiers, the Brexit-supporting Northern Ireland Secretary, said it was “highly irresponsible” to suggest peace was at risk while Arlene Foster, who is still leader of the DUP, said that she found the intervention “rather sad”.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/the-yorkshire-post-says-no-hard-border-sir-john-major-and-tony-blair-were-ignored-over-northern-ireland-1-9575414/amp
I agree with Nobel Peace Prize winner David Trimble.0 -
Senator George Mitchell is an American last time I checked!williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/vote_leave/status/740860803855831040?s=21TheAncientMariner said:
Neither did Remainers - or they would have mentioned it continually in their otherwise misleading adverts.SouthamObserver said:This is true, isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1093026626521235456?s=210 -
The bourbon biscuit.TOPPING said:
Dark chocolate kitkats.Charles said:
Dark chocolate digestivesMarqueeMark said:
2. Milk Chocolate Hobnobs or Plain Chocolate Hobnobs?Dadge said:
1. They're called Hobnobs. 2. If you mean chocolate Hobnobs you should say so.viewcode said:
I can't do wine. Let's do best biscuits. First one to mention the best biscuit wins.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are back on PB favourite subject.....duff wine obvs.
Pause.
HOB-NOBS!
I win...
The bourbon biscuit.
That reminds me. I must just go and get a bourbon biscuit.0 -
Perhaps you also agree with Nobel peace prize winner John Hume?Philip_Thompson said:
It was highly irresponsible and the actions of Varadkar and Barnier since are also highly irresponsible.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir John Major and Tony Blair did.TheAncientMariner said:
Neither did Remainers - or they would have mentioned it continually in their otherwise misleading adverts.SouthamObserver said:This is true, isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1093026626521235456?s=21
THERESA MAY’S visit to Belfast to discuss the so-called backstop should be set in the context of the EU referendum when Sir John Major and Tony Blair undertook a series of joint engagements in Northern Ireland.
Former premiers who brought about the peace process, they warned that a Leave vote may put Northern Ireland’s “future at risk” by threatening its current stability and re-open Scotland’s independence issue.
Yet the reaction of Leave campaigners at the time was one of incredulity. Theresa Villiers, the Brexit-supporting Northern Ireland Secretary, said it was “highly irresponsible” to suggest peace was at risk while Arlene Foster, who is still leader of the DUP, said that she found the intervention “rather sad”.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/the-yorkshire-post-says-no-hard-border-sir-john-major-and-tony-blair-were-ignored-over-northern-ireland-1-9575414/amp
I agree with Nobel Peace Prize winner David Trimble.
Try looking up his comments instead of fantasising about them like you did with Leo Varadkar and Scottish independence.
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Why bourbon's and not the Penguin chocolate covered varietymwadams said:
The bourbon biscuit.TOPPING said:
Dark chocolate kitkats.Charles said:
Dark chocolate digestivesMarqueeMark said:
2. Milk Chocolate Hobnobs or Plain Chocolate Hobnobs?Dadge said:
1. They're called Hobnobs. 2. If you mean chocolate Hobnobs you should say so.viewcode said:
I can't do wine. Let's do best biscuits. First one to mention the best biscuit wins.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are back on PB favourite subject.....duff wine obvs.
Pause.
HOB-NOBS!
I win...
The bourbon biscuit.
That reminds me. I must just go and get a bourbon biscuit.0 -
Just shows what a fantastic place NI is, everybody wants to have it for themselves.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you also agree with Nobel peace prize winner John Hume?Philip_Thompson said:
It was highly irresponsible and the actions of Varadkar and Barnier since are also highly irresponsible.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir John Major and Tony Blair did.TheAncientMariner said:
Neither did Remainers - or they would have mentioned it continually in their otherwise misleading adverts.SouthamObserver said:This is true, isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1093026626521235456?s=21
THERESA MAY’S visit to Belfast to discuss the so-called backstop should be set in the context of the EU referendum when Sir John Major and Tony Blair undertook a series of joint engagements in Northern Ireland.
Former premiers who brought about the peace process, they warned that a Leave vote may put Northern Ireland’s “future at risk” by threatening its current stability and re-open Scotland’s independence issue.
Yet the reaction of Leave campaigners at the time was one of incredulity. Theresa Villiers, the Brexit-supporting Northern Ireland Secretary, said it was “highly irresponsible” to suggest peace was at risk while Arlene Foster, who is still leader of the DUP, said that she found the intervention “rather sad”.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/the-yorkshire-post-says-no-hard-border-sir-john-major-and-tony-blair-were-ignored-over-northern-ireland-1-9575414/amp
I agree with Nobel Peace Prize winner David Trimble.
Try looking up his comments instead of fantasising about them like you did with Leo Varadkar and Scottish independence.0 -
Yes and the EU 27 agreed to back wholeheartedly what they view as their side in the agreement and f**k the unionists. That is highly irresponsible if you want peace you need to respect both sides.FrankBooth said:
Barnier just enacts what the EU 27 agreed. The Irish border was a major part of that.Philip_Thompson said:
It was highly irresponsible and the actions of Varadkar and Barnier since are also highly irresponsible.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir John Major and Tony Blair did.TheAncientMariner said:
Neither did Remainers - or they would have mentioned it continually in their otherwise misleading adverts.SouthamObserver said:This is true, isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1093026626521235456?s=21
THERESA MAY’S visit to Belfast to discuss the so-called backstop should be set in the context of the EU referendum when Sir John Major and Tony Blair undertook a series of joint engagements in Northern Ireland.
Former premiers who brought about the peace process, they warned that a Leave vote may put Northern Ireland’s “future at risk” by threatening its current stability and re-open Scotland’s independence issue.
Yet the reaction of Leave campaigners at the time was one of incredulity. Theresa Villiers, the Brexit-supporting Northern Ireland Secretary, said it was “highly irresponsible” to suggest peace was at risk while Arlene Foster, who is still leader of the DUP, said that she found the intervention “rather sad”.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/the-yorkshire-post-says-no-hard-border-sir-john-major-and-tony-blair-were-ignored-over-northern-ireland-1-9575414/amp
I agree with Nobel Peace Prize winner David Trimble.0 -
That doesn't explain why Cameron thought him suitable to be Defence Minister, Howard thought him suitable to be Party Chairman and over 40 Conservative MPs voted for him to be Party Leader in 2005.AlastairMeeks said:
I think it's more that he is that rare combination of being a lunatic headbanger about the EU and not a completely treacherous shit. Since that is a very lightly populated sector of the Venn diagram, it means that the quality threshold is set at a much lower level.another_richard said:
The popularity of Liam Fox has been one of the great mysteries to me.rcs1000 said:
The particular problem with DfIT is that Dr Fox has been unfailingly loyal to Mrs May, and as he's the only Leaver whose stuck around, she daren't sack him, despite the fact that he has been an utter disaster.another_richard said:
That suggests DfIT is totally unfit for purpose.rcs1000 said:
The situation is actually even worse than that. As everyone knows, the UK and Switzerland announced an agreement to maintain a free trade agreement in a No Deal scenario. Unfortunately, the legal text of the proposed agreement still doesn't exist. The DfIT got the principle agreed, but hasn't actually done the hard work of getting an actual binding agreement drafted and signed.Scott_P said:
It now looks next to impossible that this will be done by Brexit day.
Dr Liam Fox has been a disastrous cabinet minister. The history books will not be kind.
Which seems to be the default state of every government department.
He should never have been appointed to the role. He sent a limited number of gifted negotiators and trade lawyers to the wrong places. And he lost a number of senior (and dedicated) people to the private sector because the department is disfunctional.
Realising what a terrible f*ck up he's made, he's now proposing abondoning all tariffs (great in theory). But even here he's done a terrible job. There has been f*ck all work done on replicating existing non-contraversial mutual standards recognition agreements.
Right. Rant over. I warned everyone on the board repeatedly over the last two years that Dr Fox was unfit for purpose. His incompetence has made No Deal Brexit significantly more disruptive and dangerous than it might have been.
Cameron rated him highly, May gave him a job when she didn't have to and he seems to be popular among many Conservatives.
My theory is that he's benefited from some 'wise Scottish doctor' meme which subconsciously impresses people.
In fact but for Adam Werrity Fox would have held government office or shadowed it from 1993 onwards.0 -
ShortbreadCharles said:
Dark chocolate digestivesMarqueeMark said:
2. Milk Chocolate Hobnobs or Plain Chocolate Hobnobs?Dadge said:
1. They're called Hobnobs. 2. If you mean chocolate Hobnobs you should say so.viewcode said:
I can't do wine. Let's do best biscuits. First one to mention the best biscuit wins.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are back on PB favourite subject.....duff wine obvs.
Pause.
HOB-NOBS!
I win...0 -
I didn't fantasise anything I quoted what was written in a newspaper article.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you also agree with Nobel peace prize winner John Hume?Philip_Thompson said:
It was highly irresponsible and the actions of Varadkar and Barnier since are also highly irresponsible.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir John Major and Tony Blair did.TheAncientMariner said:
Neither did Remainers - or they would have mentioned it continually in their otherwise misleading adverts.SouthamObserver said:This is true, isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1093026626521235456?s=21
THERESA MAY’S visit to Belfast to discuss the so-called backstop should be set in the context of the EU referendum when Sir John Major and Tony Blair undertook a series of joint engagements in Northern Ireland.
Former premiers who brought about the peace process, they warned that a Leave vote may put Northern Ireland’s “future at risk” by threatening its current stability and re-open Scotland’s independence issue.
Yet the reaction of Leave campaigners at the time was one of incredulity. Theresa Villiers, the Brexit-supporting Northern Ireland Secretary, said it was “highly irresponsible” to suggest peace was at risk while Arlene Foster, who is still leader of the DUP, said that she found the intervention “rather sad”.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/the-yorkshire-post-says-no-hard-border-sir-john-major-and-tony-blair-were-ignored-over-northern-ireland-1-9575414/amp
I agree with Nobel Peace Prize winner David Trimble.
Try looking up his comments instead of fantasising about them like you did with Leo Varadkar and Scottish independence.0 -
Chocolate Olivers trump everything!eek said:
Years ago the Co-op used to make Milk Chocolate Nice biscuits. As a Uni student I used to have them as they were so sickly sweet no-one else would touch them and you could never eat more than 1 or 2.Charles said:
Dark chocolate digestivesMarqueeMark said:
2. Milk Chocolate Hobnobs or Plain Chocolate Hobnobs?Dadge said:
1. They're called Hobnobs. 2. If you mean chocolate Hobnobs you should say so.viewcode said:
I can't do wine. Let's do best biscuits. First one to mention the best biscuit wins.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are back on PB favourite subject.....duff wine obvs.
Pause.
HOB-NOBS!
I win...
Nowadays you can't beat https://www.ringtons.co.uk/treats-c8/biscuits-c13/ringtons-dark-chocolate-ginger-biscuits-p857 when they are available or https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B007NG5G8A/ when in Austria...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00E5GQBVW/ref=asc_df_B00E5GQBVW58373703/?tag=googshopuk-21&creative=22146&creativeASIN=B00E5GQBVW&linkCode=df0&hvadid=310856520403&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8218341304617415043&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045952&hvtargid=pla-5627558330160 -
Which even SeanT said didn’t support your accusation.Philip_Thompson said:
I didn't fantasise anything I quoted what was written in a newspaper article.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you also agree with Nobel peace prize winner John Hume?Philip_Thompson said:
It was highly irresponsible and the actions of Varadkar and Barnier since are also highly irresponsible.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir John Major and Tony Blair did.TheAncientMariner said:
Neither did Remainers - or they would have mentioned it continually in their otherwise misleading adverts.SouthamObserver said:This is true, isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1093026626521235456?s=21
THERESA MAY’S visit to Belfast to discuss the so-called backstop should be set in the context of the EU referendum when Sir John Major and Tony Blair undertook a series of joint engagements in Northern Ireland.
Former premiers who brought about the peace process, they warned that a Leave vote may put Northern Ireland’s “future at risk” by threatening its current stability and re-open Scotland’s independence issue.
Yet the reaction of Leave campaigners at the time was one of incredulity. Theresa Villiers, the Brexit-supporting Northern Ireland Secretary, said it was “highly irresponsible” to suggest peace was at risk while Arlene Foster, who is still leader of the DUP, said that she found the intervention “rather sad”.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/the-yorkshire-post-says-no-hard-border-sir-john-major-and-tony-blair-were-ignored-over-northern-ireland-1-9575414/amp
I agree with Nobel Peace Prize winner David Trimble.
Try looking up his comments instead of fantasising about them like you did with Leo Varadkar and Scottish independence.0 -
The EU27 agreed to a UK-wide customs backstop to placate the unionists.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes and the EU 27 agreed to back wholeheartedly what they view as their side in the agreement and f**k the unionists. That is highly irresponsible if you want peace you need to respect both sides.FrankBooth said:
Barnier just enacts what the EU 27 agreed. The Irish border was a major part of that.Philip_Thompson said:
It was highly irresponsible and the actions of Varadkar and Barnier since are also highly irresponsible.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir John Major and Tony Blair did.TheAncientMariner said:
Neither did Remainers - or they would have mentioned it continually in their otherwise misleading adverts.SouthamObserver said:This is true, isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1093026626521235456?s=21
THERESA MAY’S visit to Belfast to discuss the so-called backstop should be set in the context of the EU referendum when Sir John Major and Tony Blair undertook a series of joint engagements in Northern Ireland.
Former premiers who brought about the peace process, they warned that a Leave vote may put Northern Ireland’s “future at risk” by threatening its current stability and re-open Scotland’s independence issue.
Yet the reaction of Leave campaigners at the time was one of incredulity. Theresa Villiers, the Brexit-supporting Northern Ireland Secretary, said it was “highly irresponsible” to suggest peace was at risk while Arlene Foster, who is still leader of the DUP, said that she found the intervention “rather sad”.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/the-yorkshire-post-says-no-hard-border-sir-john-major-and-tony-blair-were-ignored-over-northern-ireland-1-9575414/amp
I agree with Nobel Peace Prize winner David Trimble.0 -
I’ll withdraw all my criticisms about Brexit if it ultimately leads to NI joining the Republic.Alanbrooke said:
Just shows what a fantastic place NI is, everybody wants to have it for themselves.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you also agree with Nobel peace prize winner John Hume?Philip_Thompson said:
It was highly irresponsible and the actions of Varadkar and Barnier since are also highly irresponsible.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir John Major and Tony Blair did.TheAncientMariner said:
Neither did Remainers - or they would have mentioned it continually in their otherwise misleading adverts.SouthamObserver said:This is true, isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1093026626521235456?s=21
THERESA MAY’S visit to Belfast to discuss the so-called backstop should be set in the context of the EU referendum when Sir John Major and Tony Blair undertook a series of joint engagements in Northern Ireland.
Former premiers who brought about the peace process, they warned that a Leave vote may put Northern Ireland’s “future at risk” by threatening its current stability and re-open Scotland’s independence issue.
Yet the reaction of Leave campaigners at the time was one of incredulity. Theresa Villiers, the Brexit-supporting Northern Ireland Secretary, said it was “highly irresponsible” to suggest peace was at risk while Arlene Foster, who is still leader of the DUP, said that she found the intervention “rather sad”.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/the-yorkshire-post-says-no-hard-border-sir-john-major-and-tony-blair-were-ignored-over-northern-ireland-1-9575414/amp
I agree with Nobel Peace Prize winner David Trimble.
Try looking up his comments instead of fantasising about them like you did with Leo Varadkar and Scottish independence.0 -
But the unionists don't want a hard border either! Perhaps if the British government had realised on 24th June how crucial this issue would be then the EU 27 might have looked at if differently.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes and the EU 27 agreed to back wholeheartedly what they view as their side in the agreement and f**k the unionists. That is highly irresponsible if you want peace you need to respect both sides.FrankBooth said:
Barnier just enacts what the EU 27 agreed. The Irish border was a major part of that.Philip_Thompson said:
It was highly irresponsible and the actions of Varadkar and Barnier since are also highly irresponsible.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir John Major and Tony Blair did.TheAncientMariner said:
Neither did Remainers - or they would have mentioned it continually in their otherwise misleading adverts.SouthamObserver said:This is true, isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1093026626521235456?s=21
THERESA MAY’S visit to Belfast to discuss the so-called backstop should be set in the context of the EU referendum when Sir John Major and Tony Blair undertook a series of joint engagements in Northern Ireland.
Former premiers who brought about the peace process, they warned that a Leave vote may put Northern Ireland’s “future at risk” by threatening its current stability and re-open Scotland’s independence issue.
Yet the reaction of Leave campaigners at the time was one of incredulity. Theresa Villiers, the Brexit-supporting Northern Ireland Secretary, said it was “highly irresponsible” to suggest peace was at risk while Arlene Foster, who is still leader of the DUP, said that she found the intervention “rather sad”.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/the-yorkshire-post-says-no-hard-border-sir-john-major-and-tony-blair-were-ignored-over-northern-ireland-1-9575414/amp
I agree with Nobel Peace Prize winner David Trimble.0 -
The best thing about Chocolate Olivers is that it is felt necessary to explain who John Lennon is.Charles said:
Chocolate Olivers trump everything!eek said:
Years ago the Co-op used to make Milk Chocolate Nice biscuits. As a Uni student I used to have them as they were so sickly sweet no-one else would touch them and you could never eat more than 1 or 2.Charles said:
Dark chocolate digestivesMarqueeMark said:
2. Milk Chocolate Hobnobs or Plain Chocolate Hobnobs?Dadge said:
1. They're called Hobnobs. 2. If you mean chocolate Hobnobs you should say so.viewcode said:
I can't do wine. Let's do best biscuits. First one to mention the best biscuit wins.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are back on PB favourite subject.....duff wine obvs.
Pause.
HOB-NOBS!
I win...
Nowadays you can't beat https://www.ringtons.co.uk/treats-c8/biscuits-c13/ringtons-dark-chocolate-ginger-biscuits-p857 when they are available or https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B007NG5G8A/ when in Austria...
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Rich, dark chocolate, generously enrobed around a crisp slow-baked biscuit Chocolate Olivers are the ultimate biscuit indulgence, made using a patented recipe from the 1930’s, which includes hops and malt, with the thickest, richest dark chocolate.
These biscuits are infamous – in fact it is said that John Lennon of The Beatles once refused to be paid in cash, preferring Chocolate Olivers instead!
https://www.huntleyandpalmers.com/product/chocolate-olivers/
(Whether infamous is quite the right word is left as an exercise for the GCSE examiner.)0 -
He caved pretty fast which took the sting out of it. The ones still protesting are definitely helping him given their insane demands.rcs1000 said:
The Giletes Jaunes have been manna from heaven for Macron. He's been able to pose as a defender of the middle classes from the loonies.another_richard said:
Lower lows and lower highs.SouthamObserver said:
(And a lit bit of credit is due to him. He hasn't caved like, errrrr, practically all previous French Presidents.)0 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36462023TheAncientMariner said:
Neither did Remainers - or they would have mentioned it continually in their otherwise misleading adverts.SouthamObserver said:This is true, isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1093026626521235456?s=21
"Throughout the EU referendum campaign, both the Remain and Leave sides have made frequent claims about what might happen to the border in the event of a UK exit from the EU.
During a visit to Warrenpoint Harbour, in Co Down, Chancellor George Osborne said: "There would have to be a hardening of the border imposed by the British Government or indeed by the Irish Government and that would have an impact on business."0 -
My French mole reports there is some concern over the number of deaths and injuries caused by trigger-happy gendarmes.MaxPB said:
He caved pretty fast which took the sting out of it. The ones still protesting are definitely helping him given their insane demands.rcs1000 said:
The Giletes Jaunes have been manna from heaven for Macron. He's been able to pose as a defender of the middle classes from the loonies.another_richard said:
Lower lows and lower highs.SouthamObserver said:
(And a lit bit of credit is due to him. He hasn't caved like, errrrr, practically all previous French Presidents.)0 -
dont be silly the backstop means NI is forever part of the UK, the EU cant remove it or the UK can go do deals anywhere. Its your Brexit bonus.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’ll withdraw all my criticisms about Brexit if it ultimately leads to NI joining the Republic.Alanbrooke said:
Just shows what a fantastic place NI is, everybody wants to have it for themselves.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you also agree with Nobel peace prize winner John Hume?Philip_Thompson said:
It was highly irresponsible and the actions of Varadkar and Barnier since are also highly irresponsible.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir John Major and Tony Blair did.TheAncientMariner said:
Neither did Remainers - or they would have mentioned it continually in their otherwise misleading adverts.SouthamObserver said:This is true, isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1093026626521235456?s=21
THERESA MAY’S visit to Belfast to discuss the so-called backstop should be set in the context of the EU referendum when Sir John Major and Tony Blair undertook a series of joint engagements in Northern Ireland.
Former premiers who brought about the peace process, they warned that a Leave vote may put Northern Ireland’s “future at risk” by threatening its current stability and re-open Scotland’s independence issue.
Yet the reaction of Leave campaigners at the time was one of incredulity. Theresa Villiers, the Brexit-supporting Northern Ireland Secretary, said it was “highly irresponsible” to suggest peace was at risk while Arlene Foster, who is still leader of the DUP, said that she found the intervention “rather sad”.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/the-yorkshire-post-says-no-hard-border-sir-john-major-and-tony-blair-were-ignored-over-northern-ireland-1-9575414/amp
I agree with Nobel Peace Prize winner David Trimble.
Try looking up his comments instead of fantasising about them like you did with Leo Varadkar and Scottish independence.
That will be £11billion please.0 -
One other thing that has changed about Northern Ireland. During the troubles you had politicians like David Trimble and John Hume trying to bring peace to the place. Now you have the DUP and Sinn Fein. Why do people expect the British taxpayer to indefinitely write cheques to keep the place going when it is so alien to them - and even the unionists openly accept 'bribes' from the government? And then the south insists that if we want a customs border NI must be on their side of it. Britain however must keep paying the bills.0
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I remember Mitterand being interviewed some years ago and when the questioner put to him that 85% of the population didn't approve of his performance what did he have to say? He replied "As I'm here for another four years that would appear to be their problem not mine"rcs1000 said:
I should probably have said "hasn't caved quite as cravenly or universally as previous Presidents"...another_richard said:
Hasn't Macron reversed the fuel tax increases ?rcs1000 said:
The Giletes Jaunes have been manna from heaven for Macron. He's been able to pose as a defender of the middle classes from the loonies.another_richard said:
Lower lows and lower highs.SouthamObserver said:
(And a lit bit of credit is due to him. He hasn't caved like, errrrr, practically all previous French Presidents.)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-protests-idUSKBN1O30MX0 -
Roger said:
I remember Mitterand being interviewed some years ago and when the questioner put to him that 85% of the population didn't approve of his performance what did he have to say? He replied "As I'm here for another four years that would appear to be their problem not mine"rcs1000 said:
I should probably have said "hasn't caved quite as cravenly or universally as previous Presidents"...another_richard said:
Hasn't Macron reversed the fuel tax increases ?rcs1000 said:
The Giletes Jaunes have been manna from heaven for Macron. He's been able to pose as a defender of the middle classes from the loonies.another_richard said:
Lower lows and lower highs.SouthamObserver said:
(And a lit bit of credit is due to him. He hasn't caved like, errrrr, practically all previous French Presidents.)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-protests-idUSKBN1O30MX
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I suspect those policies knocked a good 30-40k off the net non-EU migration figures that'd have otherwise been there.DecrepitJohnL said:
The powers were already there but look at the figures for non-EU immigration since 2010 under Conservative-led governments and Home Secretary Theresa hostile environment May.Casino_Royale said:
The powers will be there. It’s up to the electors to exercise their vote accordingly if they wish the Government to use them.DecrepitJohnL said:
Brexit might indeed offer more control on migration but since no-one in government or the wider Establishment has expressed the slightest desire actually to reduce immigration, what's the point?Casino_Royale said:
It offers more direct control over migration by the UK Government and an end to EU federalisation. Those who advocate its reversal have nothing to say on either of those subjects other than to say they’ve proved their point.Foxy said:That is why Brexit will fail. It will not address the root causes of discontent, indeed it will aggravate most of them.
They haven’t and, still more, still haven’t really understood or accepted its legitimacy in the first place so they can propose a credible solution.0
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