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On topic (slightly), the single worst R4 6.30 comedy I've ever heard - and that's quite an accolade - was a political one: "Party". I commend it to anyone for whom the current political situation hasn't induced enough self-loathing. Just Jared's voice is enough to make me want to slit my wrists. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b011md4lTOPPING said:0 -
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope. Its the Remainers who are the luddites - or more accurately the little Europeans, clinging to Nurse for fear of something worse. The rest of us are looking out to the other 93% of the world's population and the future.Nigel_Foremain said:
Yes, an apt description. All very embarrassing. The country that saved Europe from right wing and left wing populism, only to be seen being sucked down a vortex of irrational political stupidity.IanB2 said:
Just so sad that I never saw our country's destiny being to become the Luddites of the 21st century.eek said:
Why would the EU care - if we crash out no-one is going to even whisper about leaving the EU ever again let alone talk about it...MarqueeMark said:
It might have a been a reasonble ssumption that the EU would not let us crash out.hamiltonace said:
It might have been a reasonable assumption that the UK Government would not be so stupid to crash out and the betting markets seem to agree. Can we really been watching a slow motion train crash where the UK and the Tory party are about to split up?MarqueeMark said:
"[Varadkar] insisted the backstop is still alive, saying: “We cannot give it up in return for a promise that it will be all right on the night.”Richard_Nabavi said:Can it really be true that the Irish government, and the Irish commentariat, have only just realised that a no-deal Brexit means border checks?
https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/eu-now-looks-set-to-ask-ireland-to-accept-concessions-37739911.html
Forget the night - you're gonna be stuffed by lunchtime, Leo....
#OverPlayingYourHand
There doesn't seem to be any evidence of that EU Stooopid Mountain getting any less.
Membership of the EU was political and economic stupidity. Leaving is making a start on correcting that massive, illogical error.
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Now you're talking. And all those 3 rolled into one when he assumes overall strategic command of the brexit trade talks._Anazina_ said:Friends call him the Govegetter, lovers the Gove Machine, those who work with him the GOVERNATOR.
The EU will not know what has hit them.
Cunning by us - put our reserve team on the withdrawal treaty, make the EU think that is all we've got and then - bang - unleash our best stuff on what really matters, the future relationship.
Result? - Canada plus with a high tech invisible border, control of ag and fish, and no freedom of movement of anybody from anywhere.0 -
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Damn. Tyndallski? ...nah.Chris said:
Only if your name ends in "ski".Richard_Tyndall said:
There was but there was also the reply they gave to the rogue MP yesterday when he made his 'formal' request for them to block an extension. I think they made it pretty clear they were not breaking ranks at that point.AlastairMeeks said:
There was a suggestion that they would argue for a time-limited backstop.Pulpstar said:What has/is/was the Polish Gov't saying or doing. They'll refuse to extend Art 50 ?
I wonder if anyone can make 'formal' requests to the Polish government? I might formally request a lifetime supply of Begos and Polish Vodka0 -
https://twitter.com/brianspanner1/status/746488316510482433?lang=enkinabalu said:Now you're talking. And all those 3 rolled into one when he assumes overall strategic command of the brexit trade talks.
The EU will not know what has hit them.
Cunning by us - put our reserve team on the withdrawal treaty, make the EU think that is all we've got and then - bang - unleash our best stuff on what really matters, the future relationship.
Result? - Canada plus with a high tech invisible border, control of ag and fish, and no freedom of movement of anybody from anywhere.0 -
Not sure that is the case here, as loads and loads of free seats. Unless they still unwilling to have cheaper tickets for local / the fact they haven't sold out.OblitusSumMe said:
I think the home support is priced out, except in AUS/NZ/SA, by travelling English support that will pay more for tickets.FrancisUrquhart said:As there any West Indian fans at the cricket? It seems wall to wall rotund shirtless white men in the crowd.
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You have no idea what other people actually think - a classic case of projection.Richard_Tyndall said:... at the same time those arguing for staying in the EU are doing so because they fear the big wide world...
Personally I think that the EU, although highly imperfect, is the correct direction of travel simply because people benefit when they create stable, regulated groups. I realise that peaceful, stable countries are not as exciting as war & conflict and The Great Game of the 18th and 19th centuries but I know which I would rather live in.
I would much prefer the UK to be in the EU because the benefits outweigh the costs.0 -
Ey up MD.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
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If the EU wants to make an exception it can. There are a number of EU member territories that aren't in the customs union - either having their own customs policies or in a CU with Switzerland.Chris said:
Surely impossible.David_Evershed said:Looks like the EU will choose to assume that Ireland is in a customs union with the UK and have the same border checks at ports of entry into the EU from Ireland and the UK.
If it can work for Büsingen am Hochrhein and Campione d'Italia and the adjacent Italian waters of Lake Lugano (which are in customs unions with Switzerland but are in EU member states) then its possible in theory. Not saying it is likely!0 -
Hear, hear!Beverley_C said:
You have no idea what other people actually think - a classic case of projection.Richard_Tyndall said:... at the same time those arguing for staying in the EU are doing so because they fear the big wide world...
Personally I think that the EU, although highly imperfect, is the correct direction of travel simply because people benefit when they create stable, regulated groups. I realise that peaceful, stable countries are not as exciting as war & conflict and The Great Game of the 18th and 19th centuries but I know which I would rather live in.
I would much prefer the UK to be in the EU because the benefits outweigh the costs.0 -
When Pakistan played England in the sandpit a couple of years back, all the travelling white shirts had paid about ten times the walk up price for their tickets, from British tour operators.OblitusSumMe said:
I think the home support is priced out, except in AUS/NZ/SA, by travelling English support that will pay more for tickets.FrancisUrquhart said:As there any West Indian fans at the cricket? It seems wall to wall rotund shirtless white men in the crowd.
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JRM continues to insist on the removal of the backstop.
Is it possible he doesn't understand the term? Perhaps someone should try suggesting cricket without a wicket keeper...0 -
Yep, for sure.GIN1138 said:Brexiteers and DUP are moving. EU and Ireland seem to be moving slightly too.
DEAL is on the way. IMO.
I kind of hope not, the opportunity to observe in real time a bone fida constitutional crisis may never come again, but I do judge it close to inevitable that the withdrawal agreement will sooner or later, and most probably later, be ratified by the House of Commons.0 -
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Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?0 -
The original viral Covington video was spread by a Twitter account called @2020fight, a new account with tens of thousands of followers that specialized in incendiary but ideologically inconsistent political content and was attributed to a “teacher” from California, despite using the photograph of a blogger from Brazil.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/23/controversy-students-mock-native-american-strikes-national-chord
Russians pushing fake news from the other side now...
Actually it backs up what Sam Harris podcast guest said the other week at Russian interference in social media, it wasn't setup as pro-Trump, it existed before him and was being used to push discontent.0 -
Government has to govern the country.Scott_P said:
Parliament can not govern the country, it's not realistic. Parliament scrutinises the government.
Democracy is electing MPs who then get to choose the government and PM.0 -
That would be the most epic climb down by the EU, basically casting off the RoI. I can’t believe they’d do it, unless they want to lose Ireland as a member too?David_Evershed said:Looks like the EU will choose to assume that Ireland is in a customs union with the UK and have the same border checks at ports of entry into the EU from Ireland and the UK.
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"I can call monsters from the vasty deep!"Richard_Tyndall said:
There was but there was also the reply they gave to the rogue MP yesterday when he made his 'formal' request for them to block an extension. I think they made it pretty clear they were not breaking ranks at that point.AlastairMeeks said:
There was a suggestion that they would argue for a time-limited backstop.Pulpstar said:What has/is/was the Polish Gov't saying or doing. They'll refuse to extend Art 50 ?
I wonder if anyone can make 'formal' requests to the Polish government? I might formally request a lifetime supply of Begos and Polish Vodka
"Aye, so can I, so can any man. But will they come?"0 -
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But there aren't any border controls between Switzerland and the EU, so that's quite different from what David was suggesting.brendan16 said:
If the EU wants to make an exception it can. There are a number of EU member territories that aren't in the customs union - either having their own customs policies or in a CU with Switzerland.Chris said:
Surely impossible.David_Evershed said:Looks like the EU will choose to assume that Ireland is in a customs union with the UK and have the same border checks at ports of entry into the EU from Ireland and the UK.
If it can work for Büsingen am Hochrhein and Campione d'Italia and the adjacent Italian waters of Lake Lugano (which are in customs unions with Switzerland but are in EU member states) then its possible in theory. Not saying it is likely!0 -
Facebook posts shared from Nantes Airport hours before the flight departed on Monday night show Mr Ibbotson talking about being 'a bit rusty with the ILS (Instrument Landing System)'.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8261010/emiliano-sala-plane-pilot-revealed-brit-dave-ibbotson/
There is an ad on US tv at the moment that is a bit like that.0 -
I know what they are thinking because they have stated it explicitly on here. Unless you think I should decide they are lying for some strange arcane reason?Beverley_C said:
You have no idea what other people actually think - a classic case of projection.Richard_Tyndall said:... at the same time those arguing for staying in the EU are doing so because they fear the big wide world...
Personally I think that the EU, although highly imperfect, is the correct direction of travel simply because people benefit when they create stable, regulated groups. I realise that peaceful, stable countries are not as exciting as war & conflict and The Great Game of the 18th and 19th centuries but I know which I would rather live in.
I would much prefer the UK to be in the EU because the benefits outweigh the costs.
The most oft repeated argument I have seen on here for staying in the EU as far as trade is concerned is that we need to be in a big grouping to make sure we can challenge the US and China. It gets said so often no one even challenges it these days. They either agree with it or realise that those who believe it will never be swayed.
And no the benefits if living in the EU in no way outweigh the costs.
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Are they hideous?FrancisUrquhart said:As there any West Indian fans at the cricket? It seems wall to wall rotund shirtless white men in the crowd.
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Well if I were their mums I might suggest more suncream and covering up this early into their holidays as they are looking quite pink already.TOPPING said:
Are they hideous?FrancisUrquhart said:As there any West Indian fans at the cricket? It seems wall to wall rotund shirtless white men in the crowd.
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But she mayScott_P said:0 -
In your opinion.Richard_Tyndall said:And no the benefits if living in the EU in no way outweigh the costs.
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Yes it is a constant checking and rechecking of assets, liabilities, contingent liabilities, and exposures before wanting to buckle in and enjoy the No Deal ride.kinabalu said:
Yep, for sure.GIN1138 said:Brexiteers and DUP are moving. EU and Ireland seem to be moving slightly too.
DEAL is on the way. IMO.
I kind of hope not, the opportunity to observe in real time a bone fida constitutional crisis may never come again, but I do judge it close to inevitable that the withdrawal agreement will sooner or later, and most probably later, be ratified by the House of Commons.0 -
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Curran instead of Broad looking a slightly uninspired choice at the moment.0
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Odd that Rees-Mogg's speech was being spun as a compromise ahead of time, but in the event it was precisely the opposite.0
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I bet they are.Scott_P said: 0 -
It's Ireland who don't want a hard border with Northern Ireland. Having the border between Ireland and the rest of the EU avoids a hard border with NI, effectively Ireland in a customs union and single market with the UK.Sandpit said:
That would be the most epic climb down by the EU, basically casting off the RoI. I can’t believe they’d do it, unless they want to lose Ireland as a member too?David_Evershed said:Looks like the EU will choose to assume that Ireland is in a customs union with the UK and have the same border checks at ports of entry into the EU from Ireland and the UK.
Eventual re-union of Ireland and the UK?0 -
Curran really does not look like a new ball bowler.
Is the idea to get him on long enough to produce footmarks for Rashid to bowl into ?
Otherwise, I'm not getting it.0 -
When England are 80/5 (as they usually are) and Curran gets 50-60 it won't be....DavidL said:Curran instead of Broad looking a slightly uninspired choice at the moment.
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Woakes.FrancisUrquhart said:
When England are 80/5 (as they usually are) and Curran gets 50-60 it won't be....DavidL said:Curran instead of Broad looking a slightly uninspired choice at the moment.
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Plan A 2.0.Charles said:0 -
I see they reference 'a' customs union not 'the' customs union! Perhaps if Labour gets its way there will be 'a' single market without state aid rules as opposed to 'the' single market.GIN1138 said:
If we stay in the single market and customs union what exactly would be the point - as Mrs May might put it nothing has changed (except we lose our voting rights and MEPs).0 -
How do, Mr. Tyndall.
Mrs C, had Remain taken such a basic and simple approach, they would've won the referendum.
Stability does matter, but it's also worth remembering a corpse's pulse rate is stable. The political class salami slicing away at the sausage of public consent is a key cause of the division we now face. An earlier referendum, even on Lisbon, would've been better for almost everyone.
On customs union: staying in that would be bloody stupid. It's not leaving, it was never said by anyone that a vote to leave the EU meant giving them dominion over our customs, and we might as well stay in and have one of 28 chairs around a table rather than commit to be governed without even a fig leaf of democratic representation.0 -
Oh good, another trade war to coincide with no deal Brexit...
https://thehill.com/regulation/transportation/426563-eu-threatens-to-respond-with-23-billion-in-tariffs-if-trump-taxes0 -
It is very straight forward. So straight forward even a Remainer should be able to understand it.Beverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?
Power rests with the individual. They make all the decisions that can be made without needing a collective consideration.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the Parish or neighbourhood level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the District level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the County level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the National level.
By the time you get there, there is basically nothing that cannot be dealt with. If there is a need for multinational action then it can be taken through multinational bodies such as the UN or WTO or through bilateral agreements. But no power is surrendered from the national level.
Now you engage in your childish little logical fallacy of reductio ad absurdum but it works of course the other way. The opposite argument to the non-existent 'Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire' is one world government that controls every aspect of your life. Neither are likely or desirable. So your argument, as it usually does, fails.0 -
Unfortunately, England don’t have another opening bowler at the moment. They need to find one ASAP, preferable somebody with genuine pace.Nigelb said:Curran really does not look like a new ball bowler.
Is the idea to get him on long enough to produce footmarks for Rashid to bowl into ?
Otherwise, I'm not getting it.0 -
Indeed. But if they do I hope they bring Begos and VodkaNickPalmer said:
"I can call monsters from the vasty deep!"Richard_Tyndall said:
There was but there was also the reply they gave to the rogue MP yesterday when he made his 'formal' request for them to block an extension. I think they made it pretty clear they were not breaking ranks at that point.AlastairMeeks said:
There was a suggestion that they would argue for a time-limited backstop.Pulpstar said:What has/is/was the Polish Gov't saying or doing. They'll refuse to extend Art 50 ?
I wonder if anyone can make 'formal' requests to the Polish government? I might formally request a lifetime supply of Begos and Polish Vodka
"Aye, so can I, so can any man. But will they come?"
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The Cooper amendment is the HOC speaking to the HOC
Any extension to A50 will need to be focused, and have Parliamentary support, as the EU will not allow us to carry on in deadlock. Why would they with their elections starting in mid April. Are they going to allow the UK to elect our mps and if not, see a legal challenge, as we would still be members
The only way the EU will accept an extension is if a deal is signed and needs a few weeks for parliamentary procedures, or to arrange a second referendum or a GE0 -
The privy council is huge, close to 700 members. This must refer to one of the committees (perhaps the cabinet itself, which is actually a committee of the council?)Scott_P said:0 -
Practice for the Ashes for Curran, rest for Broad ? It will look foolish if the pitch doesn’t take spin.DavidL said:Curran instead of Broad looking a slightly uninspired choice at the moment.
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https://twitter.com/Ned_Donovan/status/1088084168196538369RobD said:The privy council is huge, close to 700 members. This must refer to one of the committees (perhaps the cabinet itself, which is actually a committee of the council?)
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And what happens when other nations don't agree to stick to your view of how the world should be run and form supranational political structures?Richard_Tyndall said:
It is very straight forward. So straight forward even a Remainer should be able to understand it.Beverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?
Power rests with the individual. They make all the decisions that can be made without needing a collective consideration.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the Parish or neighbourhood level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the District level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the County level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the National level.
By the time you get there, there is basically nothing that cannot be dealt with. If there is a need for multinational action then it can be taken through multinational bodies such as the UN or WTO or through bilateral agreements. But no power is surrendered from the national level.
Now you engage in your childish little logical fallacy of reductio ad absurdum but it works of course the other way. The opposite argument to the non-existent 'Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire' is one world government that controls every aspect of your life. Neither are likely or desirable. So your argument, as it usually does, fails.0 -
There are a lot of unquantifiable benefits. Freedom of movement is only one, and what it leads to, the liberation of ideas, the feeling that one can go and do things, as opposed to being constrained by national borders.Beverley_C said:
In your opinion.Richard_Tyndall said:And no the benefits if living in the EU in no way outweigh the costs.
Yes, we can go to Australia or Canada, but it's a major exercise, not a matter of a short flight or a ferry.0 -
100 years after the ROI became independent, you expect it to reunite with the UK?David_Evershed said:
It's Ireland who don't want a hard border with Northern Ireland. Having the border between Ireland and the rest of the EU avoids a hard border with NI, effectively Ireland in a customs union and single market with the UK.Sandpit said:
That would be the most epic climb down by the EU, basically casting off the RoI. I can’t believe they’d do it, unless they want to lose Ireland as a member too?David_Evershed said:Looks like the EU will choose to assume that Ireland is in a customs union with the UK and have the same border checks at ports of entry into the EU from Ireland and the UK.
Eventual re-union of Ireland and the UK?
Delusional doesn't cover it!0 -
When Anderson’s body finally packs in, I have bugger all idea what England are going to do on the bowling front. Nobody they have tried in the past 5 years has looked world class.0
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King Cole, bit unfair, given both those examples are rather further away than Europe.0
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Surely we know by now that the leading leavers will say whatever best suits their agenda at the timeScott_P said:
In July 2017, Boris Johnson declared: “There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.
David Davis declared in 2012: “If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.”
20 July 2017, Liam Fox, the International Trade Secretary, predicted that a new British trade deal with the EU would be “one of the easiest in human history”
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hehe. Take back controlBeverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?0 -
Pure Libertarianism or possibly anarchy. Neither of which have ever worked.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is very straight forward. So straight forward even a Remainer should be able to understand it.Beverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?
Power rests with the individual. They make all the decisions that can be made without needing a collective consideration.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the Parish or neighbourhood level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the District level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the County level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the National level.
By the time you get there, there is basically nothing that cannot be dealt with. If there is a need for multinational action then it can be taken through multinational bodies such as the UN or WTO or through bilateral agreements. But no power is surrendered from the national level.
Now you engage in your childish little logical fallacy of reductio ad absurdum but it works of course the other way. The opposite argument to the non-existent 'Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire' is one world government that controls every aspect of your life. Neither are likely or desirable. So your argument, as it usually does, fails.
Cooperation and togetherness, OTOH, is how humanity has made progress.0 -
They eventually collapse under their own inconsistencies.williamglenn said:
And what happens when other nations don't agree to stick to your view of how the world should be run and form supranational political structures?Richard_Tyndall said:
It is very straight forward. So straight forward even a Remainer should be able to understand it.Beverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?
Power rests with the individual. They make all the decisions that can be made without needing a collective consideration.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the Parish or neighbourhood level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the District level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the County level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the National level.
By the time you get there, there is basically nothing that cannot be dealt with. If there is a need for multinational action then it can be taken through multinational bodies such as the UN or WTO or through bilateral agreements. But no power is surrendered from the national level.
Now you engage in your childish little logical fallacy of reductio ad absurdum but it works of course the other way. The opposite argument to the non-existent 'Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire' is one world government that controls every aspect of your life. Neither are likely or desirable. So your argument, as it usually does, fails.
Besides just because all the rest of the boys were throwing stones at the dog doesn't mean you have to join in and do the same.0 -
Au contraire Mr D - many people said that Leaving meant losing control, but not enough people believed it, or possibly just did not care.Morris_Dancer said:How do, Mr. Tyndall.
Mrs C, had Remain taken such a basic and simple approach, they would've won the referendum.
Stability does matter, but it's also worth remembering a corpse's pulse rate is stable. The political class salami slicing away at the sausage of public consent is a key cause of the division we now face. An earlier referendum, even on Lisbon, would've been better for almost everyone.
On customs union: staying in that would be bloody stupid. It's not leaving, it was never said by anyone that a vote to leave the EU meant giving them dominion over our customs, and we might as well stay in and have one of 28 chairs around a table rather than commit to be governed without even a fig leaf of democratic representation.0 -
Exactly. Leaving the EU means putting barriers in the way of our neighbours on the ground that we can visit our emigrant relations.Morris_Dancer said:King Cole, bit unfair, given both those examples are rather further away than Europe.
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Now now Richard "even a Remainer can understand it" is really rather silly, considering, present company excepted, Leave voters and advocates are not exactly at the top of the IQ pyramid, to put it politely!Richard_Tyndall said:
It is very straight forward. So straight forward even a Remainer should be able to understand it.Beverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?
Power rests with the individual. They make all the decisions that can be made without needing a collective consideration.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the Parish or neighbourhood level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the District level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the County level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the National level.
By the time you get there, there is basically nothing that cannot be dealt with. If there is a need for multinational action then it can be taken through multinational bodies such as the UN or WTO or through bilateral agreements. But no power is surrendered from the national level.
Now you engage in your childish little logical fallacy of reductio ad absurdum but it works of course the other way. The opposite argument to the non-existent 'Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire' is one world government that controls every aspect of your life. Neither are likely or desirable. So your argument, as it usually does, fails.0 -
That doesn't require a single state. Independent states can cooperate on matters just fine.Beverley_C said:
Pure Libertarianism or possibly anarchy. Neither of which have ever worked.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is very straight forward. So straight forward even a Remainer should be able to understand it.Beverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?
Power rests with the individual. They make all the decisions that can be made without needing a collective consideration.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the Parish or neighbourhood level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the District level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the County level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the National level.
By the time you get there, there is basically nothing that cannot be dealt with. If there is a need for multinational action then it can be taken through multinational bodies such as the UN or WTO or through bilateral agreements. But no power is surrendered from the national level.
Now you engage in your childish little logical fallacy of reductio ad absurdum but it works of course the other way. The opposite argument to the non-existent 'Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire' is one world government that controls every aspect of your life. Neither are likely or desirable. So your argument, as it usually does, fails.
Cooperation and togetherness, OTOH, is how humanity has made progress.0 -
Using personal analogies for relations between states always leads to muddled thinking.Richard_Tyndall said:
They eventually collapse under their own inconsistencies.williamglenn said:
And what happens when other nations don't agree to stick to your view of how the world should be run and form supranational political structures?Richard_Tyndall said:
It is very straight forward. So straight forward even a Remainer should be able to understand it.Beverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?
Power rests with the individual. They make all the decisions that can be made without needing a collective consideration.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the Parish or neighbourhood level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the District level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the County level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the National level.
By the time you get there, there is basically nothing that cannot be dealt with. If there is a need for multinational action then it can be taken through multinational bodies such as the UN or WTO or through bilateral agreements. But no power is surrendered from the national level.
Now you engage in your childish little logical fallacy of reductio ad absurdum but it works of course the other way. The opposite argument to the non-existent 'Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire' is one world government that controls every aspect of your life. Neither are likely or desirable. So your argument, as it usually does, fails.
Besides just because all the rest of the boys were throwing stones at the dog doesn't mean you have to join in and do the same.0 -
How is that pure libertarianism or pure anarchy? That was well organised with multiple layers.Beverley_C said:
Pure Libertarianism or possibly anarchy. Neither of which have ever worked.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is very straight forward. So straight forward even a Remainer should be able to understand it.Beverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?
Power rests with the individual. They make all the decisions that can be made without needing a collective consideration.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the Parish or neighbourhood level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the District level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the County level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the National level.
By the time you get there, there is basically nothing that cannot be dealt with. If there is a need for multinational action then it can be taken through multinational bodies such as the UN or WTO or through bilateral agreements. But no power is surrendered from the national level.
Now you engage in your childish little logical fallacy of reductio ad absurdum but it works of course the other way. The opposite argument to the non-existent 'Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire' is one world government that controls every aspect of your life. Neither are likely or desirable. So your argument, as it usually does, fails.
Cooperation and togetherness, OTOH, is how humanity has made progress.
Cooperation can happen between nations without becoming a solitary nation. Uniformity is not how we make progress, competition and diversity is. Its funny how people who think diversity in other areas of life is a good thing view uniformity and a lack of diversity internationally as appealing.0 -
Its a truly terrible idea. So bad it ranks alongside Francis' attitude to books. It really is that bad.Scott_P said:0 -
What was that about ensuring our Parliament t was sovereign?OllyT said:
Surely we know by now that the leading leavers will say whatever best suits their agenda at the timeScott_P said:
In July 2017, Boris Johnson declared: “There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.
David Davis declared in 2012: “If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.”0 -
Of course. I have never claimed to speak for those less enlightened or informed than myself.Beverley_C said:
In your opinion.Richard_Tyndall said:And no the benefits if living in the EU in no way outweigh the costs.
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Get the spinners on0
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And that is your sole answer? Go away and bring back the real William. He is much more fun.williamglenn said:
Using personal analogies for relations between states always leads to muddled thinking.Richard_Tyndall said:
They eventually collapse under their own inconsistencies.williamglenn said:
And what happens when other nations don't agree to stick to your view of how the world should be run and form supranational political structures?Richard_Tyndall said:
It is very straight forward. So straight forward even a Remainer should be able to understand it.Beverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?
Power rests with the individual. They make all the decisions that can be made without needing a collective consideration.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the Parish or neighbourhood level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the District level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the County level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the National level.
By the time you get there, there is basically nothing that cannot be dealt with. If there is a need for multinational action then it can be taken through multinational bodies such as the UN or WTO or through bilateral agreements. But no power is surrendered from the national level.
Now you engage in your childish little logical fallacy of reductio ad absurdum but it works of course the other way. The opposite argument to the non-existent 'Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire' is one world government that controls every aspect of your life. Neither are likely or desirable. So your argument, as it usually does, fails.
Besides just because all the rest of the boys were throwing stones at the dog doesn't mean you have to join in and do the same.0 -
The ball's quite hard, and so's the bat. The man varies.Beverley_C said:
Oh for heaven's sake. They are just throwing a ball at a man with a bat. How hard can it be?FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't think it is that big of a call._Anazina_ said:
Very big call. I feel for the furniture, crockery and IT equipment in the England team room right now.FrancisUrquhart said:Sam Curran in instead of Stuart Broad and England playing two spinners...
Broad is now a total rabbit with the bat, and I have said for years that England standard attack of Anderson, Broad, Stokes, Woakes + Wood / Finn / Whatever other duffer they have tried, is far too samey in they are all right arm, similar pace (albeit Anderson is swing vs Broad seam).0 -
Mrs C, nobody proposed staying in the customs union.
This is because May's incompetent, Leavers have gone barking at the Moon and the Remain side have dug their heels to try and resist actually implementing what was voted for.
A Parliament of Remain MPs voting to give the EU permanent power over our trade with not even the pretence of UK influence cannot be said by any reasonable person to be in accordance with the referendum result.
King Cole, I don't follow your point, I'm afraid.0 -
I am in a whimsical mood this afternoon. Just back from working away and have spent too much time watching 'The Good Place'.Nigel_Foremain said:
Now now Richard "even a Remainer can understand it" is really rather silly, considering, present company excepted, Leave voters and advocates are not exactly at the top of the IQ pyramid, to put it politely!Richard_Tyndall said:
It is very straight forward. So straight forward even a Remainer should be able to understand it.Beverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?
Power rests with the individual. They make all the decisions that can be made without needing a collective consideration.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the Parish or neighbourhood level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the District level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the County level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the National level.
By the time you get there, there is basically nothing that cannot be dealt with. If there is a need for multinational action then it can be taken through multinational bodies such as the UN or WTO or through bilateral agreements. But no power is surrendered from the national level.
Now you engage in your childish little logical fallacy of reductio ad absurdum but it works of course the other way. The opposite argument to the non-existent 'Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire' is one world government that controls every aspect of your life. Neither are likely or desirable. So your argument, as it usually does, fails.0 -
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Well we aren't making a spectacular success of dealing with it at the national level right now...Richard_Tyndall said:
It is very straight forward. So straight forward even a Remainer should be able to understand it.Beverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?
Power rests with the individual. They make all the decisions that can be made without needing a collective consideration.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the Parish or neighbourhood level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the District level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the County level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the National level.
By the time you get there, there is basically nothing that cannot be dealt with.....
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It seems that the Canadian parliament was prorogued in 2008 in order to prevent a no-confidence vote.Richard_Tyndall said:
Its a truly terrible idea. So bad it ranks alongside Francis' attitude to books. It really is that bad.Scott_P said:0 -
LOL. What I have described is neither pure Libertarianism nor anarchy.Beverley_C said:
Pure Libertarianism or possibly anarchy. Neither of which have ever worked.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is very straight forward. So straight forward even a Remainer should be able to understand it.Beverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?
Power rests with the individual. They make all the decisions that can be made without needing a collective consideration.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the Parish or neighbourhood level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the District level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the County level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the National level.
By the time you get there, there is basically nothing that cannot be dealt with. If there is a need for multinational action then it can be taken through multinational bodies such as the UN or WTO or through bilateral agreements. But no power is surrendered from the national level.
Now you engage in your childish little logical fallacy of reductio ad absurdum but it works of course the other way. The opposite argument to the non-existent 'Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire' is one world government that controls every aspect of your life. Neither are likely or desirable. So your argument, as it usually does, fails.
Cooperation and togetherness, OTOH, is how humanity has made progress.0 -
An enlightened and informed UKIP voter. Gosh! How does it feel to be in a minority of 1?Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course. I have never claimed to speak for those less enlightened or informed than myself.Beverley_C said:
In your opinion.Richard_Tyndall said:And no the benefits if living in the EU in no way outweigh the costs.
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JRM proves my point about the IQ pyramid....Richard_Tyndall said:
Its a truly terrible idea. So bad it ranks alongside Francis' attitude to books. It really is that bad.Scott_P said:0 -
All this polling basically shows the same. 50% want to remain no matter what is offered, 50% think leave means leave at all costs.AndyJS said:0 -
We have made a mess of it for the past 45 years. What we are doing now is trying to put that right.Nigelb said:
Well we aren't making a spectacular success of dealing with it at the national level right now...Richard_Tyndall said:
It is very straight forward. So straight forward even a Remainer should be able to understand it.Beverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?
Power rests with the individual. They make all the decisions that can be made without needing a collective consideration.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the Parish or neighbourhood level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the District level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the County level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the National level.
By the time you get there, there is basically nothing that cannot be dealt with.....0 -
What was an unpleasant spat - and it wasn't all one sided - is now turning into social media hysteria on both sides and a witch hunt with death threats, protests outside the school these kids attend even bomb threats which has led to its closure and general over the top actions. Maybe the answer is for everyone to take a deep breath and CALM DOWN!FrancisUrquhart said:The original viral Covington video was spread by a Twitter account called @2020fight, a new account with tens of thousands of followers that specialized in incendiary but ideologically inconsistent political content and was attributed to a “teacher” from California, despite using the photograph of a blogger from Brazil.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/23/controversy-students-mock-native-american-strikes-national-chord
Russians pushing fake news from the other side now...
Actually it backs up what Sam Harris podcast guest said the other week at Russian interference in social media, it wasn't setup as pro-Trump, it existed before him and was being used to push discontent.
Perhaps this Washington post article might give the perspective needed - which perhaps is missing from the Guardian article. As with Brexit things are never that simple or one sided.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/22/covington-fracas-is-mess-let-it-be/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9873a7241fb8
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Another view would say 45% want to leave at all costs, though I suspect they expect that cost will be met by somebody that is not them.FrancisUrquhart said:
All this polling basically shows the same. 50% want to remain no matter what is offered, 50% think leave means leave at all costs.AndyJS said:0 -
Wasn’t there confusion amongst some no dealers who thought it meant staying in the EU?Nigel_Foremain said:
Another view would say 45% want to leave at all costs, though I suspect they expect that cost will be met by somebody that is not them.FrancisUrquhart said:
All this polling basically shows the same. 50% want to remain no matter what is offered, 50% think leave means leave at all costs.AndyJS said:0 -
I've seen that argument before; that all our woes in the last 40 odd years are the fault of the EU.Richard_Tyndall said:
We have made a mess of it for the past 45 years. What we are doing now is trying to put that right.Nigelb said:
Well we aren't making a spectacular success of dealing with it at the national level right now...Richard_Tyndall said:
It is very straight forward. So straight forward even a Remainer should be able to understand it.Beverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?
Power rests with the individual. They make all the decisions that can be made without needing a collective consideration.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the Parish or neighbourhood level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the District level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the County level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the National level.
By the time you get there, there is basically nothing that cannot be dealt with.....
Can't follow it myself. I thought we'd had Government's who'd made decisions.0 -
ROFL.Richard_Tyndall said:
We have made a mess of it for the past 45 years. What we are doing now is trying to put that right.Nigelb said:
Well we aren't making a spectacular success of dealing with it at the national level right now...Richard_Tyndall said:
It is very straight forward. So straight forward even a Remainer should be able to understand it.Beverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?
Power rests with the individual. They make all the decisions that can be made without needing a collective consideration.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the Parish or neighbourhood level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the District level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the County level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the National level.
By the time you get there, there is basically nothing that cannot be dealt with.....0 -
Brexiteers sound a lot like supporters of the Enabling Act of 1933.Scott_P said:0 -
“Hebrew Israelites screaming homophobic profanity” - why did they miss out also racist profanity or does calling a white person a cracker not considered racist?brendan16 said:
What was an unpleasant spat - and it wasn't all one sided - is now turning into social media hysteria on both sides and a witch hunt with death threats, protests outside the school these kids attend even bomb threats which has led to its closure and general over the top actions. Maybe the answer is for everyone to take a deep breath and CALM DOWN!FrancisUrquhart said:The original viral Covington video was spread by a Twitter account called @2020fight, a new account with tens of thousands of followers that specialized in incendiary but ideologically inconsistent political content and was attributed to a “teacher” from California, despite using the photograph of a blogger from Brazil.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/23/controversy-students-mock-native-american-strikes-national-chord
Russians pushing fake news from the other side now...
Actually it backs up what Sam Harris podcast guest said the other week at Russian interference in social media, it wasn't setup as pro-Trump, it existed before him and was being used to push discontent.
Perhaps this Washington post article might give the perspective needed - which perhaps is missing from the Guardian article. As with Brexit things are never that simple or one sided.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/22/covington-fracas-is-mess-let-it-be/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9873a7241fb80 -
With A Withdrawal Agreement, or with May's Withdrawal Agreement? 49% prepared to leave with May's deal seems like a considerable advance for what we are constantly told is a dead deal if so....FrancisUrquhart said:
All this polling basically shows the same. 50% want to remain no matter what is offered, 50% think leave means leave at all costs.AndyJS said:0 -
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I certainly don't say all of our problems. But membership of the EU certainly hasn't helped and has in many ways hindered our progress as a nation.OldKingCole said:
I've seen that argument before; that all our woes in the last 40 odd years are the fault of the EU.Richard_Tyndall said:
We have made a mess of it for the past 45 years. What we are doing now is trying to put that right.Nigelb said:
Well we aren't making a spectacular success of dealing with it at the national level right now...Richard_Tyndall said:
It is very straight forward. So straight forward even a Remainer should be able to understand it.Beverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?
Power rests with the individual. They make all the decisions that can be made without needing a collective consideration.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the Parish or neighbourhood level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the District level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the County level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the National level.
By the time you get there, there is basically nothing that cannot be dealt with.....
Can't follow it myself. I thought we'd had Government's who'd made decisions.0 -
You must have a very glass half empty view of recent history. The last 45 years have been an unparalleled success by virtually every measure if you are fortunate to have been born a westerner. The only downsides are probably environmental, though even that has its optimistic aspects in the sense people are beginning to take notice. You allow your hatred of the EU to cloud what has been an amazing period of enlightenment, now sadly to be replaced by a period of populism and general gullibility .Richard_Tyndall said:
We have made a mess of it for the past 45 years. What we are doing now is trying to put that right.Nigelb said:
Well we aren't making a spectacular success of dealing with it at the national level right now...Richard_Tyndall said:
It is very straight forward. So straight forward even a Remainer should be able to understand it.Beverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?
Power rests with the individual. They make all the decisions that can be made without needing a collective consideration.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the Parish or neighbourhood level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the District level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the County level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the National level.
By the time you get there, there is basically nothing that cannot be dealt with.....0 -
That is madnessScott_P said:0 -
You're ambivalent about what that nation is, so your fanaticism is hard to take seriously even on its own terms.Richard_Tyndall said:
I certainly don't say all of our problems. But membership of the EU certainly hasn't helped and has in many ways hindered our progress as a nation.OldKingCole said:
I've seen that argument before; that all our woes in the last 40 odd years are the fault of the EU.Richard_Tyndall said:
We have made a mess of it for the past 45 years. What we are doing now is trying to put that right.Nigelb said:
Well we aren't making a spectacular success of dealing with it at the national level right now...Richard_Tyndall said:
It is very straight forward. So straight forward even a Remainer should be able to understand it.Beverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?
Power rests with the individual. They make all the decisions that can be made without needing a collective consideration.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the Parish or neighbourhood level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the District level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the County level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the National level.
By the time you get there, there is basically nothing that cannot be dealt with.....
Can't follow it myself. I thought we'd had Government's who'd made decisions.0 -
Isn't there confusion for everyone right now?RobD said:
Wasn’t there confusion amongst some no dealers who thought it meant staying in the EU?Nigel_Foremain said:
Another view would say 45% want to leave at all costs, though I suspect they expect that cost will be met by somebody that is not them.FrancisUrquhart said:
All this polling basically shows the same. 50% want to remain no matter what is offered, 50% think leave means leave at all costs.AndyJS said:0 -
Really, really don't see it.Richard_Tyndall said:
I certainly don't say all of our problems. But membership of the EU certainly hasn't helped and has in many ways hindered our progress as a nation.OldKingCole said:
I've seen that argument before; that all our woes in the last 40 odd years are the fault of the EU.Richard_Tyndall said:
We have made a mess of it for the past 45 years. What we are doing now is trying to put that right.Nigelb said:
Well we aren't making a spectacular success of dealing with it at the national level right now...Richard_Tyndall said:
It is very straight forward. So straight forward even a Remainer should be able to understand it.Beverley_C said:
Where does it stop? When you establish the Independent Peoples Republic of Tyndallshire (population 1)? Will you negotiate FTAs with the milkman and electric board?Richard_Tyndall said:
I have posted many times on here about the need for massive transfers of power from London to the counties and districts so I am already well ahead of you.Beverley_C said:
When do you start the campaign for a free and independent Lincolnshire (apols if wrong county) - out from under the oppressive hand of those overbearing Londoners?
Power rests with the individual. They make all the decisions that can be made without needing a collective consideration.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the Parish or neighbourhood level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the District level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the County level.
What cannot be decided at that level then moves up to the National level.
By the time you get there, there is basically nothing that cannot be dealt with.....
Can't follow it myself. I thought we'd had Government's who'd made decisions.0 -
I completely agreeNigel_Foremain said:
You must have a very glass half empty view of recent history. The last 45 years have been an unparalleled success by virtually every measure if you are fortunate to have been born a westerner. The only downsides are probably environmental, though even that has its optimistic aspects in the sense people are beginning to take notice. You allow your hatred of the EU to cloud what has been an amazing period of enlightenment, now sadly to be replaced by a period of populism and general gullibility .Richard_Tyndall said:
We have made a mess of it for the past 45 years. What we are doing now is trying to put that right.
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HM rule by decree? We could do worse...TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexiteers sound a lot like supporters of the Enabling Act of 1933.Scott_P said:
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ERG meets Zanu PF. They will be occupying Remain owned farms nextTheScreamingEagles said:
Brexiteers sound a lot like supporters of the Enabling Act of 1933.Scott_P said:0 -
Plan A 1.2 more likewilliamglenn said:
Plan A 2.0.Charles said:0
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