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My intention was really to draw attention to the lack of preparedness of our economies (I include us in all of this, of course) for the next downturn - which might also, for all we know, trigger a fresh outbreak of the Eurozone crisis. The UK isn't doing brilliantly, but at least we're not locked in a currency union with Germany, our major banks have been shored up, and if there is going to be more trouble we're not in nearly as vulnerable a state as some. Any educated guesses, for example, on when the Italian national debt might slip over the event horizon and become unserviceable without a Greek-style bailout?rcs1000 said:
But here's the funny thing, if we look at employment growth between 1/1/99 and now, then Spain is top of the charts, with a big increase in the labour participation rate, and we've only done about as well as France. (We have, however, done a lot better than Greece.)Black_Rook said:Is now a good time for a reminder of some selected Eurozone unemployment rates?
France 9.3%
Italy 9.7%
Spain 15.2%
Greece 19.0%
At least Ireland and Portugal appear to be in better shape, but all the same...
Raw unemployment numbers, I think, can be very misleading. I find it astonishing, for example, that since the beginning of the Euro, the proportion of people in work in the EU has increased markedly, while it has declined in the US.0 -
Because, like it or not, voters do listen to what politicians say.Anazina said:
Who cares what some fucking politician somewhere calls it? May said she wouldn’t go to the country. Blair said he’d serve a full term. Only a credulous idiot would believe a single word that comes out of their mouths. More fool you.RobD said:
Because that general election wasn't described as once in a generation.Anazina said:
Your beloved Tory Party is happy to call general elections within two years of the last one, when it thinks (wrongly as it happens) it can win. Why shouldn’t the SNP ask for another referendum? It’s been nearly five years since the last one.RobD said:
It certainly doesn't, otherwise they wouldn't be constantly agitating for another vote from those benches and elsewhere.williamglenn said:
As Mhairi Black said, "The very presence of my SNP colleagues and I in this very parliament serves as evidence that we do respect the outcome of referendums."ydoethur said:
Salmond said the same thing.RobD said:
The head of the Remain campaign said the vote would be final and irreversible, and it would not be put to the electorate again in a second referendum.Alistair said:
David Cameron is a liar. This is hardly news.RobD said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/25/eu-exit-vote-no-means-no-says-pmHisMajestyKingZog said:Everybody seems to be quite cavalier about overturning the largest vote in British history.
Grant the referendum to the people.
Say that it's 'once in a generation' and you'll implement the decision.
Invoke Article 50.
Run on Manifesto promises that Brexit will happen.
Over 80% vote for Brexit in the election.
At the last minute try and block the referendum decision.
Not a good look at all...
David Cameron has delivered a stark warning to the British people that a vote to leave the EU will be final and irreversible, as he stamps on suggestions that a better deal could then be negotiated and put to the electorate in a second referendum.
Losers almost always demand a rerun under such circumstances. It's one reason why referendums aren't the best of ideas.
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There are plenty of ways forward -- it is just you don't like them.IanB2 said:
Which is awkward if it turns out that there isn't any way forward.
It is interesting to me that it is always the LibDems who are most enthusiastic about ignoring a democratic vote.
And they wonder why they are on 5 per cent in the polls !
At least in the Labour Party there is some embarrassed realisation of the awkwardness of it all.0 -
ydoethur said:
TBH, although I place no faith in weather forecasts, it wouldn't surprise me. It's been a mild winter so far (except for a brief cold snap in October) but all the earlier signs were for a hard freeze at some point. We're running out of time if it is in the cards, and this is normally the coldest time of the year.IanB2 said:
The long range forecasts have been pointing to significant chance of a cold end to the month for some time, and the medium range are starting to suggest a temperature drop in the last week of Jan. Central Europe is already suffering unusually heavy snowfalls (parts of southern Germany and Austria are shut down) and the probability that we get hit seems to be increasing.ydoethur said:
Snow? In the UK?! In January?IanB2 said:Snow within a fortnight looks quite possible.
I dunno, what is the world coming to?
More seriously, what makes you say that?
A sudden stratospheric warming, a la last year. The seasons have shifted. December is largely an autumn month. March is winter.0 -
Good news.Sunil_Prasannan said:Macedonia parliament agrees to change country's name
Macedonia's parliament has approved a constitutional amendment to change the country's name to the Republic of North Macedonia.
Prime Minister Zoran Zaev narrowly secured the two-thirds majority needed in the historic vote amid a boycott by opposition nationalists.
Protesters outside parliament denounced what they called an act of treason.
The name change is aimed at ending a 27-year dispute with Greece, which has its own region called Macedonia.
The Greek parliament must now give its approval under a deal signed by Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras and Mr Zaev in June.
That will lift Athens' veto on Macedonia's bids to join Nato and the European Union.
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The Government requested an election. Parliament approved.Anazina said:
Your beloved Tory Party is happy to call general elections within two years of the last one, when it thinks (wrongly as it happens) it can win. Why shouldn’t the SNP ask for another referendum? It’s been nearly five years since the last one.RobD said:
It certainly doesn't, otherwise they wouldn't be constantly agitating for another vote from those benches and elsewhere.williamglenn said:
As Mhairi Black said, "The very presence of my SNP colleagues and I in this very parliament serves as evidence that we do respect the outcome of referendums."ydoethur said:
Salmond said the same thing.RobD said:
The head of the Remain campaign said the vote would be final and irreversible, and it would not be put to the electorate again in a second referendum.Alistair said:
David Cameron is a liar. This is hardly news.RobD said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/25/eu-exit-vote-no-means-no-says-pmHisMajestyKingZog said:Everybody seems to be quite cavalier about overturning the largest vote in British history.
Grant the referendum to the people.
Say that it's 'once in a generation' and you'll implement the decision.
Invoke Article 50.
Run on Manifesto promises that Brexit will happen.
Over 80% vote for Brexit in the election.
At the last minute try and block the referendum decision.
Not a good look at all...
David Cameron has delivered a stark warning to the British people that a vote to leave the EU will be final and irreversible, as he stamps on suggestions that a better deal could then be negotiated and put to the electorate in a second referendum.
Losers almost always demand a rerun under such circumstances. It's one reason why referendums aren't the best of ideas.
twitter.com/MhairiBlack/status/1083442319863492608
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/apr/19/election-2017-theresa-may-mps-early-vote-politics-live0 -
When it suits them.RobD said:
Because, like it or not, voters do listen to what politicians say.Anazina said:
Who cares what some fucking politician somewhere calls it? May said she wouldn’t go to the country. Blair said he’d serve a full term. Only a credulous idiot would believe a single word that comes out of their mouths. More fool you.RobD said:
Because that general election wasn't described as once in a generation.Anazina said:
Your beloved Tory Party is happy to call general elections within two years of the last one, when it thinks (wrongly as it happens) it can win. Why shouldn’t the SNP ask for another referendum? It’s been nearly five years since the last one.RobD said:
It certainly doesn't, otherwise they wouldn't be constantly agitating for another vote from those benches and elsewhere.williamglenn said:
As Mhairi Black said, "The very presence of my SNP colleagues and I in this very parliament serves as evidence that we do respect the outcome of referendums."ydoethur said:
Salmond said the same thing.RobD said:
The head of the Remain campaign said the vote would be final and irreversible, and it would not be put to the electorate again in a second referendum.Alistair said:
David Cameron is a liar. This is hardly news.RobD said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/25/eu-exit-vote-no-means-no-says-pmHisMajestyKingZog said:Everybody seems to be quite cavalier about overturning the largest vote in British history.
Grant the referendum to the people.
Say that it's 'once in a generation' and you'll implement the decision.
Invoke Article 50.
Run on Manifesto promises that Brexit will happen.
Over 80% vote for Brexit in the election.
At the last minute try and block the referendum decision.
Not a good look at all...
David Cameron has delivered a stark warning to the British people that a vote to leave the EU will be final and irreversible, as he stamps on suggestions that a better deal could then be negotiated and put to the electorate in a second referendum.
Losers almost always demand a rerun under such circumstances. It's one reason why referendums aren't the best of ideas.
twitter.com/MhairiBlack/status/1083442319863492608
But they are foolish to do so.0 -
Straw, meet clutchiness.rcs1000 said:We have, however, done a lot better than Greece
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Seems to bounce around, was particularly warm in March 2017, for example:Anazina said:ydoethur said:
TBH, although I place no faith in weather forecasts, it wouldn't surprise me. It's been a mild winter so far (except for a brief cold snap in October) but all the earlier signs were for a hard freeze at some point. We're running out of time if it is in the cards, and this is normally the coldest time of the year.IanB2 said:
The long range forecasts have been pointing to significant chance of a cold end to the month for some time, and the medium range are starting to suggest a temperature drop in the last week of Jan. Central Europe is already suffering unusually heavy snowfalls (parts of southern Germany and Austria are shut down) and the probability that we get hit seems to be increasing.ydoethur said:
Snow? In the UK?! In January?IanB2 said:Snow within a fortnight looks quite possible.
I dunno, what is the world coming to?
More seriously, what makes you say that?
A sudden stratospheric warming, a la last year. The seasons have shifted. December is largely an autumn month. March is winter.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/322658/monthly-average-daily-temperatures-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/0 -
Sounds like you have been reading this - https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/Anazina said:
Who cares what some fucking politician somewhere calls it? May said she wouldn’t go to the country. Blair said he’d serve a full term. Only a credulous idiot would believe a single word that comes out of their mouths. More fool you.RobD said:
Because that general election wasn't described as once in a generation.Anazina said:
Your beloved Tory Party is happy to call general elections within two years of the last one, when it thinks (wrongly as it happens) it can win. Why shouldn’t the SNP ask for another referendum? It’s been nearly five years since the last one.RobD said:
It certainly doesn't, otherwise they wouldn't be constantly agitating for another vote from those benches and elsewhere.williamglenn said:
As Mhairi Black said, "The very presence of my SNP colleagues and I in this very parliament serves as evidence that we do respect the outcome of referendums."ydoethur said:
Salmond said the same thing.RobD said:
The head of the Remain campaign said the vote would be final and irreversible, and it would not be put to the electorate again in a second referendum.Alistair said:
David Cameron is a liar. This is hardly news.RobD said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/25/eu-exit-vote-no-means-no-says-pmHisMajestyKingZog said:Everybody seems to be quite cavalier about overturning the largest vote in British history.
Grant the referendum to the people.
Say that it's 'once in a generation' and you'll implement the decision.
Invoke Article 50.
Run on Manifesto promises that Brexit will happen.
Over 80% vote for Brexit in the election.
At the last minute try and block the referendum decision.
Not a good look at all...
David Cameron has delivered a stark warning to the British people that a vote to leave the EU will be final and irreversible, as he stamps on suggestions that a better deal could then be negotiated and put to the electorate in a second referendum.
Losers almost always demand a rerun under such circumstances. It's one reason why referendums aren't the best of ideas.
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Everything that needs to be said has been said. But not everybody has said it yet.solarflare said:For the love of God can we just have the Meaningful Vote now. Nothing crystallises until that wavefunction collapses.
I watched some of the debate today in a sparse chamber and genuinely interesting as it was to see views from all areas of the spectrum, not one person said any new thing that hadn't been said - and most of them said that noone had say anything new.0 -
I've been active in every General Election since 1966. Every single one was described as the last chance to do something or other - stop the unions, save the NHS, protect our independence, preserve democracy, whatever. It was never entirely true or entirely believed. Democracy is a good thing, but it tends to take the form of organised hysteria.RobD said:
Because that general election wasn't described as once in a generation.0 -
What do you think of Nick Clegg? I suppose you are a big fan because voters should have expected him to go back on his word - if not they were foolsAnazina said:
When it suits them.RobD said:
Because, like it or not, voters do listen to what politicians say.Anazina said:
Who cares what some fucking politician somewhere calls it? May said she wouldn’t go to the country. Blair said he’d serve a full term. Only a credulous idiot would believe a single word that comes out of their mouths. More fool you.RobD said:
Because that general election wasn't described as once in a generation.Anazina said:
Your beloved Tory Party is happy to call general elections within two years of the last one, when it thinks (wrongly as it happens) it can win. Why shouldn’t the SNP ask for another referendum? It’s been nearly five years since the last one.RobD said:
It certainly doesn't, otherwise they wouldn't be constantly agitating for another vote from those benches and elsewhere.williamglenn said:
As Mhairi Black said, "The very presence of my SNP colleagues and I in this very parliament serves as evidence that we do respect the outcome of referendums."ydoethur said:
Salmond said the same thing.RobD said:
The head of the Remain campaign said the vote would be final and irreversible, and it would not be put to the electorate again in a second referendum.Alistair said:
David Cameron is a liar. This is hardly news.RobD said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/25/eu-exit-vote-no-means-no-says-pmHisMajestyKingZog said:Everybody seems to be quite cavalier about overturning the largest vote in British history.
Grant the referendum to the people.
Say that it's 'once in a generation' and you'll implement the decision.
Invoke Article 50.
Run on Manifesto promises that Brexit will happen.
Over 80% vote for Brexit in the election.
At the last minute try and block the referendum decision.
Not a good look at all...
David Cameron has delivered a stark warning to the British people that a vote to leave the EU will be final and irreversible, as he stamps on suggestions that a better deal could then be negotiated and put to the electorate in a second referendum.
Losers almost always demand a rerun under such circumstances. It's one reason why referendums aren't the best of ideas.
twitter.com/MhairiBlack/status/1083442319863492608
But they are foolish to do so.0 -
True. Although the statistic only makes sense if we consider whenever is mean Easter.ydoethur said:
OK, fair point. It is a late one this year, isn't it - end of April.IanB2 said:
Simply that there is still some time to run unti we get to Easter.ydoethur said:
Yes. And? That is what I would expect given our weather patterns.IanB2 said:
Although it is a statistical fact that snow in London is more likely at Easter than at Christmas.ydoethur said:
TBH, although I place no faith in weather forecasts, it wouldn't surprise me. It's been a mild winter so far (except for a brief cold snap in October) but all the earlier signs were for a hard freeze at some point. We're running out of time if it is in the cards, and this is normally the coldest time of the year.IanB2 said:
The long range forecasts have been pointing to significant chance of a cold end to the month for some time, and the medium range are starting to suggest a temperature drop in the last week of Jan. Central Europe is already suffering unusually heavy snowfalls (parts of southern Germany and Austria are shut down) and the probability that we get hit seems to be increasing.ydoethur said:
Snow? In the UK?! In January?IanB2 said:Snow within a fortnight looks quite possible.
I dunno, what is the world coming to?
More seriously, what makes you say that?
That doesn't alter the fact that it was a very mild November and December in 2018.0 -
Well, it should have been shortlisted for the Man Booker Prize.Nemtynakht said:
Sounds like you have been reading this - https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/Anazina said:
Who cares what some fucking politician somewhere calls it? May said she wouldn’t go to the country. Blair said he’d serve a full term. Only a credulous idiot would believe a single word that comes out of their mouths. More fool you.RobD said:
Because that general election wasn't described as once in a generation.Anazina said:
Your beloved Tory Party is happy to call general elections within two years of the last one, when it thinks (wrongly as it happens) it can win. Why shouldn’t the SNP ask for another referendum? It’s been nearly five years since the last one.RobD said:
It certainly doesn't, otherwise they wouldn't be constantly agitating for another vote from those benches and elsewhere.williamglenn said:
As Mhairi Black said, "The very presence of my SNP colleagues and I in this very parliament serves as evidence that we do respect the outcome of referendums."ydoethur said:
Salmond said the same thing.RobD said:
The head of the Remain campaign said the vote would be final and irreversible, and it would not be put to the electorate again in a second referendum.Alistair said:
David Cameron is a liar. This is hardly news.RobD said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/25/eu-exit-vote-no-means-no-says-pmHisMajestyKingZog said:Everybody seems to be quite cavalier about overturning the largest vote in British history.
Grant the referendum to the people.
Say that it's 'once in a generation' and you'll implement the decision.
Invoke Article 50.
Run on Manifesto promises that Brexit will happen.
Over 80% vote for Brexit in the election.
At the last minute try and block the referendum decision.
Not a good look at all...
David Cameron has delivered a stark warning to the British people that a vote to leave the EU will be final and irreversible, as he stamps on suggestions that a better deal could then be negotiated and put to the electorate in a second referendum.
Losers almost always demand a rerun under such circumstances. It's one reason why referendums aren't the best of ideas.
twitter.com/MhairiBlack/status/1083442319863492608
It is a fantastic work of fiction.
We all have our favourite sections, Mine is the National Care Service which only costs 3 billion.0 -
This sort of thing you mean?RobD said:
Because, like it or not, voters do listen to what politicians say.Anazina said:
Who cares what some fucking politician somewhere calls it? May said she wouldn’t go to the country. Blair said he’d serve a full term. Only a credulous idiot would believe a single word that comes out of their mouths. More fool you.RobD said:
Because that general election wasn't described as once in a generation.Anazina said:
Your beloved Tory Party is happy to call general elections within two years of the last one, when it thinks (wrongly as it happens) it can win. Why shouldn’t the SNP ask for another referendum? It’s been nearly five years since the last one.RobD said:
It certainly doesn't, otherwise they wouldn't be constantly agitating for another vote from those benches and elsewhere.williamglenn said:
As Mhairi Black said, "The very presence of my SNP colleagues and I in this very parliament serves as evidence that we do respect the outcome of referendums."ydoethur said:
Salmond said the same thing.RobD said:
The head of the Remain campaign said the vote would be final and irreversible, and it would not be put to the electorate again in a second referendum.Alistair said:
David Cameron is a liar. This is hardly news.RobD said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/25/eu-exit-vote-no-means-no-says-pmHisMajestyKingZog said:Everybody seems to be quite cavalier about overturning the largest vote in British history.
Grant the referendum to the people.
Say that it's 'once in a generation' and you'll implement the decision.
Invoke Article 50.
Run on Manifesto promises that Brexit will happen.
Over 80% vote for Brexit in the election.
At the last minute try and block the referendum decision.
Not a good look at all...
David Cameron has delivered a stark warning to the British people that a vote to leave the EU will be final and irreversible, as he stamps on suggestions that a better deal could then be negotiated and put to the electorate in a second referendum.
Losers almost always demand a rerun under such circumstances. It's one reason why referendums aren't the best of ideas.
twitter.com/MhairiBlack/status/1083442319863492608
https://twitter.com/UK_Together/status/5068997149238435840 -
Further evidence that TM is gaining support from voters and mps are not listeningwilliamglenn said:
It does look as if TM is the one in touch with the public0 -
General elections occur on a regular basis. It's entirely reasonable to believe a politician when they say this will be a once in a generation vote on an issue. You wouldn't expect yearly votes on independence, would you?NickPalmer said:
I've been active in every General Election since 1966. Every single one was described as the last chance to do something or other - stop the unions, save the NHS, protect our independence, preserve democracy, whatever. It was never entirely true or entirely believed. Democracy is a good thing, but it tends to take the form of organised hysteria.RobD said:
Because that general election wasn't described as once in a generation.0 -
It didn't say voting no wasn't.Theuniondivvie said:
This sort of thing you mean?RobD said:
Because, like it or not, voters do listen to what politicians say.Anazina said:
Who cares what some fucking politician somewhere calls it? May said she wouldn’t go to the country. Blair said he’d serve a full term. Only a credulous idiot would believe a single word that comes out of their mouths. More fool you.RobD said:
Because that general election wasn't described as once in a generation.Anazina said:
Your beloved Tory Party is happy to call general elections within two years of the last one, when it thinks (wrongly as it happens) it can win. Why shouldn’t the SNP ask for another referendum? It’s been nearly five years since the last one.RobD said:
It certainly doesn't, otherwise they wouldn't be constantly agitating for another vote from those benches and elsewhere.williamglenn said:
As Mhairi Black said, "The very presence of my SNP colleagues and I in this very parliament serves as evidence that we do respect the outcome of referendums."ydoethur said:
Salmond said the same thing.RobD said:
The head of the Remain campaign said the vote would be final and irreversible, and it would not be put to the electorate again in a second referendum.Alistair said:
David Cameron is a liar. This is hardly news.RobD said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/25/eu-exit-vote-no-means-no-says-pmHisMajestyKingZog said:Everybody seems to be quite cavalier about overturning the largest vote in British history.
Grant the referendum to the people.
Say that it's 'once in a generation' and you'll implement the decision.
Invoke Article 50.
Run on Manifesto promises that Brexit will happen.
Over 80% vote for Brexit in the election.
At the last minute try and block the referendum decision.
Not a good look at all...
David Cameron has delivered a stark warning to the British people that a vote to leave the EU will be final and irreversible, as he stamps on suggestions that a better deal could then be negotiated and put to the electorate in a second referendum.
Losers almost always demand a rerun under such circumstances. It's one reason why referendums aren't the best of ideas.
twitter.com/MhairiBlack/status/1083442319863492608
https://twitter.com/UK_Together/status/506899714923843584
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It snowed quite heavily in December 2017, just 13 months ago.Anazina said:ydoethur said:
TBH, although I place no faith in weather forecasts, it wouldn't surprise me. It's been a mild winter so far (except for a brief cold snap in October) but all the earlier signs were for a hard freeze at some point. We're running out of time if it is in the cards, and this is normally the coldest time of the year.IanB2 said:
The long range forecasts have been pointing to significant chance of a cold end to the month for some time, and the medium range are starting to suggest a temperature drop in the last week of Jan. Central Europe is already suffering unusually heavy snowfalls (parts of southern Germany and Austria are shut down) and the probability that we get hit seems to be increasing.ydoethur said:
Snow? In the UK?! In January?IanB2 said:Snow within a fortnight looks quite possible.
I dunno, what is the world coming to?
More seriously, what makes you say that?
A sudden stratospheric warming, a la last year. The seasons have shifted. December is largely an autumn month. March is winter.0 -
Typical Tory equates "tory voters" with the public at large. Just a reminder the majority of the public didn't vote Tory in 2017.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Further evidence that TM is gaining support from voters and mps are not listeningwilliamglenn said:
It does look as if TM is the one in touch with the public
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Well the mid date for Easter is April 8th but the most common date for it is April 19th. Frequency table here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computus#/media/File:Easter_Distribution.svgIanB2 said:
True. Although the statistic only makes sense if we consider whenever is mean Easter.ydoethur said:
OK, fair point. It is a late one this year, isn't it - end of April.IanB2 said:
Simply that there is still some time to run unti we get to Easter.ydoethur said:
Yes. And? That is what I would expect given our weather patterns.IanB2 said:
Although it is a statistical fact that snow in London is more likely at Easter than at Christmas.ydoethur said:
TBH, although I place no faith in weather forecasts, it wouldn't surprise me. It's been a mild winter so far (except for a brief cold snap in October) but all the earlier signs were for a hard freeze at some point. We're running out of time if it is in the cards, and this is normally the coldest time of the year.IanB2 said:
The long range forecasts have been pointing to significant chance of a cold end to the month for some time, and the medium range are starting to suggest a temperature drop in the last week of Jan. Central Europe is already suffering unusually heavy snowfalls (parts of southern Germany and Austria are shut down) and the probability that we get hit seems to be increasing.ydoethur said:
Snow? In the UK?! In January?IanB2 said:Snow within a fortnight looks quite possible.
I dunno, what is the world coming to?
More seriously, what makes you say that?
That doesn't alter the fact that it was a very mild November and December in 2018.0 -
A majority didn't vote for Corbyn in 2017 or for Blair in 1997!Chris_A said:
Typical Tory equates "tory voters" with the public at large. Just a reminder the majority of the public didn't vote Tory in 2017.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Further evidence that TM is gaining support from voters and mps are not listeningwilliamglenn said:
It does look as if TM is the one in touch with the public0 -
That graph is brilliant - frequency computed over a 5.7 million year cycle. I wonder what causes the slight peak on April 19?Chris_A said:
Well the mid date for Easter is April 8th but the most common date for it is April 19th. Frequency table here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computus#/media/File:Easter_Distribution.svgIanB2 said:
True. Although the statistic only makes sense if we consider whenever is mean Easter.ydoethur said:
OK, fair point. It is a late one this year, isn't it - end of April.IanB2 said:
Simply that there is still some time to run unti we get to Easter.ydoethur said:
Yes. And? That is what I would expect given our weather patterns.IanB2 said:
Although it is a statistical fact that snow in London is more likely at Easter than at Christmas.ydoethur said:
TBH, although I place no faith in weather forecasts, it wouldn't surprise me. It's been a mild winter so far (except for a brief cold snap in October) but all the earlier signs were for a hard freeze at some point. We're running out of time if it is in the cards, and this is normally the coldest time of the year.IanB2 said:
The long range forecasts have been pointing to significant chance of a cold end to the month for some time, and the medium range are starting to suggest a temperature drop in the last week of Jan. Central Europe is already suffering unusually heavy snowfalls (parts of southern Germany and Austria are shut down) and the probability that we get hit seems to be increasing.ydoethur said:
Snow? In the UK?! In January?IanB2 said:Snow within a fortnight looks quite possible.
I dunno, what is the world coming to?
More seriously, what makes you say that?
That doesn't alter the fact that it was a very mild November and December in 2018.0 -
It would mean across the public at large something like:Chris_A said:
Typical Tory equates "tory voters" with the public at large. Just a reminder the majority of the public didn't vote Tory in 2017.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Further evidence that TM is gaining support from voters and mps are not listeningwilliamglenn said:
It does look as if TM is the one in touch with the public
Q4. MPs are to vote on the Government’s Brexit withdrawal agreement on [X day], how would you like MPs to vote?
For the deal 38% (+7)
Against the deal 40% (-6)0 -
Seems that labour voters are increasing support for the deal in that pollChris_A said:
Typical Tory equates "tory voters" with the public at large. Just a reminder the majority of the public didn't vote Tory in 2017.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Further evidence that TM is gaining support from voters and mps are not listeningwilliamglenn said:
It does look as if TM is the one in touch with the public0 -
More weasely than a ginger haired character from Harry Potter stroking a member of the mustelidae family.RobD said:
It didn't say voting no wasn't.Theuniondivvie said:
This sort of thing you mean?
https://twitter.com/UK_Together/status/5068997149238435840 -
Technically correct, the best kind of correct.Theuniondivvie said:
More weasely than a ginger haired character from Harry Potter stroking a member of the mustelidae family.RobD said:
It didn't say voting no wasn't.Theuniondivvie said:
This sort of thing you mean?
https://twitter.com/UK_Together/status/5068997149238435840 -
The coldest day in the UK, on average, is 17th February.Sunil_Prasannan said:
It snowed quite heavily in December 2017, just 13 months ago.Anazina said:ydoethur said:
TBH, although I place no faith in weather forecasts, it wouldn't surprise me. It's been a mild winter so far (except for a brief cold snap in October) but all the earlier signs were for a hard freeze at some point. We're running out of time if it is in the cards, and this is normally the coldest time of the year.IanB2 said:
The long range forecasts have been pointing to significant chance of a cold end to the month for some time, and the medium range are starting to suggest a temperature drop in the last week of Jan. Central Europe is already suffering unusually heavy snowfalls (parts of southern Germany and Austria are shut down) and the probability that we get hit seems to be increasing.ydoethur said:
Snow? In the UK?! In January?IanB2 said:Snow within a fortnight looks quite possible.
I dunno, what is the world coming to?
More seriously, what makes you say that?
A sudden stratospheric warming, a la last year. The seasons have shifted. December is largely an autumn month. March is winter.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2012/dec/30/weatherwatch-records-temperature-cold
The UK is a maritime nation, and the long lag between the winter solstice (21st December) and the coldest day is caused by the time taken for the North Atlantic to reach its coldest. As the Atlantic warms due to climate change, it'll take longer to cool down every year so the UK's coldest days will get later and later in the calendar.0 -
That's quite a turnaround from when the first polls on the deal were published.TheWhiteRabbit said:
It would mean across the public at large something like:Chris_A said:
Typical Tory equates "tory voters" with the public at large. Just a reminder the majority of the public didn't vote Tory in 2017.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Further evidence that TM is gaining support from voters and mps are not listeningwilliamglenn said:
It does look as if TM is the one in touch with the public
Q4. MPs are to vote on the Government’s Brexit withdrawal agreement on [X day], how would you like MPs to vote?
For the deal 38% (+7)
Against the deal 40% (-6)0 -
The seasons haven't shifted. They may get warmer or colder overall but the relationship between the seasons and the timing of them is dependent on the Earth's axial tilt relative to the ecliptic plane and that has not changed.Anazina said:ydoethur said:
TBH, although I place no faith in weather forecasts, it wouldn't surprise me. It's been a mild winter so far (except for a brief cold snap in October) but all the earlier signs were for a hard freeze at some point. We're running out of time if it is in the cards, and this is normally the coldest time of the year.IanB2 said:
The long range forecasts have been pointing to significant chance of a cold end to the month for some time, and the medium range are starting to suggest a temperature drop in the last week of Jan. Central Europe is already suffering unusually heavy snowfalls (parts of southern Germany and Austria are shut down) and the probability that we get hit seems to be increasing.ydoethur said:
Snow? In the UK?! In January?IanB2 said:Snow within a fortnight looks quite possible.
I dunno, what is the world coming to?
More seriously, what makes you say that?
A sudden stratospheric warming, a la last year. The seasons have shifted. December is largely an autumn month. March is winter.0 -
Voting:YBarddCwsc said:
Well, it should have been shortlisted for the Man Booker Prize.Nemtynakht said:Sounds like you have been reading this - https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/
It is a fantastic work of fiction.
We all have our favourite sections, Mine is the National Care Service which only costs 3 billion.
*Your choice is a minuscule and completely inconsequential percentage of the whole
*In a typical General Election most of the seats are safe anyway
*If you are in one of the lucky few places outside of red/blue/yellow rosette on a pig territory then it's usually a matter of picking the politician or party that doesn't make you want to vomit, rather than one you actually like
*Or of picking one you despise to keep out another one you loathe even more
*Election manifestos are full of fictitious and unaffordable pledges, most of which are made with the express intention of conning people, rather than actually being fulfilled
*Most of those policies not simply invented as a PR exercise are nonetheless altered or jettisoned as and when it becomes expedient to do so
Quite honestly, the more I think about it the more I'm amazed that so many people still bother.0 -
Hahaha.williamglenn said:
First line of that headline: “MINISTER:”.
Now replace it with the name of the minister in question: “GRAYLING:”.
Bit less compelling now, isn’t it?
Meanwhile, Corbyn would be rubbing his hands if this were actually to come to pass. A resurgent UKIP-BNP party would mostly take votes from the Conservatives in working class Northern constituencies, splitting the non-Labour vote and helping Corbyn on the way to a majority. It might win a couple of seats in its own right in the Gravesham-Clacton-Boston belt, but under FPTP, its main effect would be to hobble the Conservatives.0 -
Big_G, a Daily Mail front page isn't evidence of anything at all. Unless you want to know if a 2nd Referendum causes cancer.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Further evidence that TM is gaining support from voters and mps are not listeningwilliamglenn said:
It does look as if TM is the one in touch with the public
There's no polling evidence to suggest anything other than the electorate are violently opposed to Mrs May's deal.0 -
Lewis Goodall of Sky said today that he has been surprised at how much support TM is gathering across the Country, as he reports from various locationsRobD said:
That's quite a turnaround from when the first polls on the deal were published.TheWhiteRabbit said:
It would mean across the public at large something like:Chris_A said:
Typical Tory equates "tory voters" with the public at large. Just a reminder the majority of the public didn't vote Tory in 2017.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Further evidence that TM is gaining support from voters and mps are not listeningwilliamglenn said:
It does look as if TM is the one in touch with the public
Q4. MPs are to vote on the Government’s Brexit withdrawal agreement on [X day], how would you like MPs to vote?
For the deal 38% (+7)
Against the deal 40% (-6)0 -
Depends, I thought a surprising fraction of the ex-UKIP vote went to Labour.El_Capitano said:
Hahaha.williamglenn said:
First line of that headline: “MINISTER:”.
Now replace it with the name of the minister in question: “GRAYLING:”.
Bit less compelling now, isn’t it?
Meanwhile, Corbyn would be rubbing his hands if this were actually to come to pass. A resurgent UKIP-BNP party would mostly take votes from the Conservatives in working class Northern constituencies, splitting the non-Labour vote and helping Corbyn on the way to a majority. It might win a couple of seats in its own right in the Gravesham-Clacton-Boston belt, but under FPTP, its main effect would be to hobble the Conservatives.0 -
Well it's complicated, but Wikipedia describes it well and you have to remember there was no lunar theory when Clavius drew up the Gregorian calendar so he used long term averages for what was known about the lunar orbit. It's never been the real moon which has been used but the Paschal moon as determined in the tables. Sometimes the wrong date of Easter will be determined if the real moon is used.RobD said:
That graph is brilliant - frequency computed over a 5.7 million year cycle. I wonder what causes the slight peak on April 19?
Every second lunar month has only 29 days, so one day must have two (of the 30) epact labels assigned to it. The reason for moving around the epact label "xxv/25" rather than any other seems to be the following: According to Dionysius (in his introductory letter to Petronius), the Nicene council, on the authority of Eusebius, established that the first month of the ecclesiastical lunar year (the paschal month) should start between 8 March and 5 April inclusive, and the 14th day fall between 21 March and 18 April inclusive, thus spanning a period of (only) 29 days. A new moon on 7 March, which has epact label "xxiv", has its 14th day (full moon) on 20 March, which is too early (not following 20 March). So years with an epact of "xxiv", if the lunar month beginning on 7 March had 30 days, would have their paschal new moon on 6 April, which is too late: the full moon would fall on 19 April, and Easter could be as late as 26 April. In the Julian calendar the latest date of Easter was 25 April, and the Gregorian reform maintained that limit. So the paschal full moon must fall no later than 18 April and the new moon on 5 April, which has epact label "xxv". 5 April must therefore have its double epact labels "xxiv" and "xxv". Then epact "xxv" must be treated differently, as explained in the paragraph above.
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Well, the M5S/LN coalition has completely failed to tackle any of the endemic issues with the Italian economy. It continues to have a non-functional legal system, endemic corruption, an inflexible labour market and appalling demographics. Indeed, some of their policies will only worsen these issues.Black_Rook said:My intention was really to draw attention to the lack of preparedness of our economies (I include us in all of this, of course) for the next downturn - which might also, for all we know, trigger a fresh outbreak of the Eurozone crisis. The UK isn't doing brilliantly, but at least we're not locked in a currency union with Germany, our major banks have been shored up, and if there is going to be more trouble we're not in nearly as vulnerable a state as some. Any educated guesses, for example, on when the Italian national debt might slip over the event horizon and become unserviceable without a Greek-style bailout?
Now, would Italy do better outside the Eurozone? Almost certainly, yes. However, it's hard to see how they get from here to there. (See my video "Italy: Fifty Ways To Leave The Euro".)
Back to your original question, my guess would be that the next meaningful recession in Italy will push debt-to-GDP up towards 140% of GDP, and that will likely result in yields pushing ever higher. At this point, *something* will need to be done. Either there will need to be some kind of restructuring of Italian debt, or the Northern Europeans will need to bite the bullet and agree some kind of of Euro bond*.
The good news for the Eurozone is that the Italian banking system is relatively well insulated, in that banks are almost entirely domestically funded. So, the knock on effects on the financial system should be containable.
However, the Italian state and people are completely unprepared for a debt restructuring. If we assume that we need to bring debt-to-GDP down to 120%, that means a lot of people are going to be out of pocket. (And I would note that Italian government bonds are largely domestically owned. That's a lot of retirees taking a big hit.)
Final point in a slightly disjointed post: 2.85%. That's what 10 year Italian government bonds are currently yielding. I am not a buyer.
* The best idea I heard was for Eurozone countries to be allowed to issue jointly backed bonds up to 60% of GDP. These would - being effectively backed by the ECB - have very low interest rates. What this would mean for Italy, is that for the next eight years or so, it would have be issuing bonds that would have a ready market. This mana0 -
I'm confused about the Mail's front page. Aren't their readers "far right"? Which means the Mail is arguing for wrecking Brexit..?0
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Tory members only need non-tories to lift them in and out of the bath and die in their wars. Beyond that, their strong preference would be that we starved to death in a ditch,Chris_A said:
Typical Tory equates "tory voters" with the public at large. Just a reminder the majority of the public didn't vote Tory in 2017.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Further evidence that TM is gaining support from voters and mps are not listeningwilliamglenn said:
It does look as if TM is the one in touch with the public0 -
That may suit your agenda but the mail is quoting a poll showing increasing supportgrabcocque said:
Big_G, a Daily Mail front page isn't evidence of anything at all. Unless you want to know if a 2nd Referendum causes cancer.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Further evidence that TM is gaining support from voters and mps are not listeningwilliamglenn said:
It does look as if TM is the one in touch with the public
There's no polling evidence to suggest anything other than the electorate are violently opposed to Mrs May's deal.
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Support which is miraculous failing to appear in any poll or vote in Parliament. May's desperate rampers have been telling us the mood has been changing since before Christmas.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Lewis Goodall of Sky said today that he has been surprised at how much support TM is gathering across the Country, as he reports from various locations
Here we are a month later. So where is it?
The mood hasn't changed. NOTHING has fucking changed.
All that useless twat has done is wasted a month of everyone's time.0 -
I would suggest you read the poll rather than refer to Grayling who we all agree is hopelessEl_Capitano said:
Hahaha.williamglenn said:
First line of that headline: “MINISTER:”.
Now replace it with the name of the minister in question: “GRAYLING:”.
Bit less compelling now, isn’t it?
Meanwhile, Corbyn would be rubbing his hands if this were actually to come to pass. A resurgent UKIP-BNP party would mostly take votes from the Conservatives in working class Northern constituencies, splitting the non-Labour vote and helping Corbyn on the way to a majority. It might win a couple of seats in its own right in the Gravesham-Clacton-Boston belt, but under FPTP, its main effect would be to hobble the Conservatives.0 -
We've had false dawns like that before, in December, but support didn't keep rising, but I'd like to believe it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That may suit your agenda but the mail is quoting a poll showing increasing supportgrabcocque said:
Big_G, a Daily Mail front page isn't evidence of anything at all. Unless you want to know if a 2nd Referendum causes cancer.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Further evidence that TM is gaining support from voters and mps are not listeningwilliamglenn said:
It does look as if TM is the one in touch with the public
There's no polling evidence to suggest anything other than the electorate are violently opposed to Mrs May's deal.0 -
The obliquity of the ecliptic is changing all the time as is the time of the year when the earth is closest to the sun - this year was on 3rd JanuaryRichard_Tyndall said:
The seasons haven't shifted. They may get warmer or colder overall but the relationship between the seasons and the timing of them is dependent on the Earth's axial tilt relative to the ecliptic plane and that has not changed.Anazina said:ydoethur said:
TBH, although I place no faith in weather forecasts, it wouldn't surprise me. It's been a mild winter so far (except for a brief cold snap in October) but all the earlier signs were for a hard freeze at some point. We're running out of time if it is in the cards, and this is normally the coldest time of the year.IanB2 said:
The long range forecasts have been pointing to significant chance of a cold end to the month for some time, and the medium range are starting to suggest a temperature drop in the last week of Jan. Central Europe is already suffering unusually heavy snowfalls (parts of southern Germany and Austria are shut down) and the probability that we get hit seems to be increasing.ydoethur said:
Snow? In the UK?! In January?IanB2 said:Snow within a fortnight looks quite possible.
I dunno, what is the world coming to?
More seriously, what makes you say that?
A sudden stratospheric warming, a la last year. The seasons have shifted. December is largely an autumn month. March is winter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecliptic#/media/File:Obliquity_of_the_ecliptic_laskar.PNG
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Thanks! I always say that she gives the Tories more trouble than I didSean_F said:
Given a choice between the two, I'd have no hesitation voting for Nick P.Foxy said:
Bring on the reurn of Nick Palmer!Richard_Tyndall said:
Even putting aside my stated animosity towards her, it is clear she is deeply unpopular these days in her own constituency. It is not just that she is a Remainer in a Leave constituency - that possibly wouldn't matter - but that she is so strident and offensive in her views, willing to give insult but screaming blue murder if it is returned. I would be very surprised if she survives the next election.
. I put out a sympathetic tweet last week when she was being harassed.
Objectively I think she's courageous and never hesitates to take on opponents with her honest opinions, but also pointlessly aggressive in all directions. I've always known Labour people who rather like her and Tories who really don't: her canvass plans and other internal stuff were leaked to me every month. Her current opponent is a mild-mannered leftie, much like me, and he too is getting some quiet Tory support. I'd think he's the favourite at the moment, as she is too doggedly Tory in everything except Europe to really attract Labour votes to make up for the people she's annoyed.0 -
Good for them, be a shame if the Greek Parliament proved a sticking point now.Sunil_Prasannan said:Macedonia parliament agrees to change country's name
Macedonia's parliament has approved a constitutional amendment to change the country's name to the Republic of North Macedonia.
Prime Minister Zoran Zaev narrowly secured the two-thirds majority needed in the historic vote amid a boycott by opposition nationalists.
Protesters outside parliament denounced what they called an act of treason.
The name change is aimed at ending a 27-year dispute with Greece, which has its own region called Macedonia.
The Greek parliament must now give its approval under a deal signed by Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras and Mr Zaev in June.
That will lift Athens' veto on Macedonia's bids to join Nato and the European Union.
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Of course they are not far right.grabcocque said:I'm confused about the Mail's front page. Aren't their readers "far right"? Which means the Mail is arguing for wrecking Brexit..?
The hard brexiteers are cheered on by the telegraph and express
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That’s an absolute tiny change on a year by year basis, look at the date range, and the range of angles on the y axis.Chris_A said:
The obliquity of the ecliptic is changing all the time as is the time of the year when the earth is closest to the sun - this year was on 3rd JanuaryRichard_Tyndall said:
The seasons haven't shifted. They may get warmer or colder overall but the relationship between the seasons and the timing of them is dependent on the Earth's axial tilt relative to the ecliptic plane and that has not changed.Anazina said:ydoethur said:
TBH, although I place no faith in weather forecasts, it wouldn't surprise me. It's been a mild winter so far (except for a brief cold snap in October) but all the earlier signs were for a hard freeze at some point. We're running out of time if it is in the cards, and this is normally the coldest time of the year.IanB2 said:
The long range forecasts have been pointing to significant chance of a cold end to the month for some time, and the medium range are starting to suggest a temperature drop in the last week of Jan. Central Europe is already suffering unusually heavy snowfalls (parts of southern Germany and Austria are shut down) and the probability that we get hit seems to be increasing.ydoethur said:
Snow? In the UK?! In January?IanB2 said:Snow within a fortnight looks quite possible.
I dunno, what is the world coming to?
More seriously, what makes you say that?
A sudden stratospheric warming, a la last year. The seasons have shifted. December is largely an autumn month. March is winter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecliptic#/media/File:Obliquity_of_the_ecliptic_laskar.PNG
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True but not enough to shift the seasons in any sort of permanent way as was being implied by Anazina.Chris_A said:
The obliquity of the ecliptic is changing all the time as is the time of the year when the earth is closest to the sun - this year was on 3rd JanuaryRichard_Tyndall said:
The seasons haven't shifted. They may get warmer or colder overall but the relationship between the seasons and the timing of them is dependent on the Earth's axial tilt relative to the ecliptic plane and that has not changed.Anazina said:ydoethur said:
TBH, although I place no faith in weather forecasts, it wouldn't surprise me. It's been a mild winter so far (except for a brief cold snap in October) but all the earlier signs were for a hard freeze at some point. We're running out of time if it is in the cards, and this is normally the coldest time of the year.IanB2 said:
The long range forecasts have been pointing to significant chance of a cold end to the month for some time, and the medium range are starting to suggest a temperature drop in the last week of Jan. Central Europe is already suffering unusually heavy snowfalls (parts of southern Germany and Austria are shut down) and the probability that we get hit seems to be increasing.ydoethur said:
Snow? In the UK?! In January?IanB2 said:Snow within a fortnight looks quite possible.
I dunno, what is the world coming to?
More seriously, what makes you say that?
A sudden stratospheric warming, a la last year. The seasons have shifted. December is largely an autumn month. March is winter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecliptic#/media/File:Obliquity_of_the_ecliptic_laskar.PNG0 -
And if you really want to know about Clavius's magnum opus it's all here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computus0
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Thus, the cohesion of the Eurozone will potentially come to rely on the voters of Italy (an original founder member of the EU's predecessor organisations, and its third largest state) accepting a punishment beating a bit like that doled out to the Greeks, but not quite as bad? And a coalition of recalcitrant right-wing populists and disorganised pseudo-anarchists is expected to obediently wield the baseball bat?rcs1000 said:
Well, the M5S/LN coalition has completely failed to tackle any of the endemic issues with the Italian economy. It continues to have a non-functional legal system, endemic corruption, an inflexible labour market and appalling demographics. Indeed, some of their policies will only worsen these issues.Black_Rook said:My intention was really to draw attention to the lack of preparedness of our economies (I include us in all of this, of course) for the next downturn - which might also, for all we know, trigger a fresh outbreak of the Eurozone crisis. The UK isn't doing brilliantly, but at least we're not locked in a currency union with Germany, our major banks have been shored up, and if there is going to be more trouble we're not in nearly as vulnerable a state as some. Any educated guesses, for example, on when the Italian national debt might slip over the event horizon and become unserviceable without a Greek-style bailout?
Now, would Italy do better outside the Eurozone? Almost certainly, yes. However, it's hard to see how they get from here to there. (See my video "Italy: Fifty Ways To Leave The Euro".)
Back to your original question, my guess would be that the next meaningful recession in Italy will push debt-to-GDP up towards 140% of GDP, and that will likely result in yields pushing ever higher. At this point, *something* will need to be done. Either there will need to be some kind of restructuring of Italian debt, or the Northern Europeans will need to bite the bullet and agree some kind of of Euro bond.
The good news for the Eurozone is that the Italian banking system is relatively well insulated, in that banks are almost entirely domestically funded. So, the knock on effects on the financial system should be containable.
However, the Italian state and people are completely unprepared for a debt restructuring. If we assume that we need to bring debt-to-GDP down to 120%, that means a lot of people are going to be out of pocket. (And I would note that Italian government bonds are largely domestically owned. That's a lot of retirees taking a big hit.)
Final point in a slightly disjointed post: 2.85%. That's what 10 year Italian government bonds are currently yielding. I am not a buyer.
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You are losing it. Make your point but unnecessary and abusive language demeans the authorgrabcocque said:
Support which is miraculous failing to appear in any poll or vote in Parliament. May's desperate rampers have been telling us the mood has been changing since before Christmas.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Lewis Goodall of Sky said today that he has been surprised at how much support TM is gathering across the Country, as he reports from various locations
Here we are a month later. So where is it?
The mood hasn't changed. NOTHING has fucking changed.
All that useless twat has done is wasted a month of everyone's time.0 -
Well, we haven't seen this poll so I'll withhold my judgment. But I know you're not an idiot, Big_G, you know full well nothing has changed and Mrs May is going to be the victim of an involuntary parliamentary gangbang on Tuesday with very little romance. You know nothing has changed, what I don't get is why you're trying to talk yourself into hope.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That may suit your agenda but the mail is quoting a poll showing increasing supportgrabcocque said:
Big_G, a Daily Mail front page isn't evidence of anything at all. Unless you want to know if a 2nd Referendum causes cancer.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Further evidence that TM is gaining support from voters and mps are not listeningwilliamglenn said:
It does look as if TM is the one in touch with the public
There's no polling evidence to suggest anything other than the electorate are violently opposed to Mrs May's deal.
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Not this one nor my wife or many thousands of othersDura_Ace said:
Tory members only need non-tories to lift them in and out of the bath and die in their wars. Beyond that, their strong preference would be that we starved to death in a ditch,Chris_A said:
Typical Tory equates "tory voters" with the public at large. Just a reminder the majority of the public didn't vote Tory in 2017.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Further evidence that TM is gaining support from voters and mps are not listeningwilliamglenn said:
It does look as if TM is the one in touch with the public0 -
It will eventually as even with an ecliptic of 22 degrees the different in global weather patterns by this small difference will be huge. Of course before we introduced the Gregorian calendar the winter solstice was falling on 9th December so that had shifted the seasons.Richard_Tyndall said:
True but not enough to shift the seasons in any sort of permanent way as was being implied by Anazina.Chris_A said:
The obliquity of the ecliptic is changing all the time as is the time of the year when the earth is closest to the sun - this year was on 3rd JanuaryRichard_Tyndall said:
The seasons haven't shifted. They may get warmer or colder overall but the relationship between the seasons and the timing of them is dependent on the Earth's axial tilt relative to the ecliptic plane and that has not changed.Anazina said:ydoethur said:
TBH, although I place no faith in weather forecasts, it wouldn't surprise me. It's been a mild winter so far (except for a brief cold snap in October) but all the earlier signs were for a hard freeze at some point. We're running out of time if it is in the cards, and this is normally the coldest time of the year.IanB2 said:
The long range forecasts have been pointing to significant chance of a cold end to the month for some time, and the medium range are starting to suggest a temperature drop in the last week of Jan. Central Europe is already suffering unusually heavy snowfalls (parts of southern Germany and Austria are shut down) and the probability that we get hit seems to be increasing.ydoethur said:
Snow? In the UK?! In January?IanB2 said:Snow within a fortnight looks quite possible.
I dunno, what is the world coming to?
More seriously, what makes you say that?
A sudden stratospheric warming, a la last year. The seasons have shifted. December is largely an autumn month. March is winter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecliptic#/media/File:Obliquity_of_the_ecliptic_laskar.PNG0 -
+1IanB2 said:
Not least because it was advisory. Asking for further advice isn't unreasonable in the circumstances of two and a half years' failed effort to come up with an acceptable way to progress the matter.Alistair said:
But the legislation for the referendum didn't say that.RobD said:
The head of the Remain campaign said the vote would be final and irreversible, and it would not be put to the electorate again in a second referendum.Alistair said:
David Cameron is a liar. This is hardly news.RobD said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/25/eu-exit-vote-no-means-no-says-pmHisMajestyKingZog said:Everybody seems to be quite cavalier about overturning the largest vote in British history.
Grant the referendum to the people.
Say that it's 'once in a generation' and you'll implement the decision.
Invoke Article 50.
Run on Manifesto promises that Brexit will happen.
Over 80% vote for Brexit in the election.
At the last minute try and block the referendum decision.
Not a good look at all...
David Cameron has delivered a stark warning to the British people that a vote to leave the EU will be final and irreversible, as he stamps on suggestions that a better deal could then be negotiated and put to the electorate in a second referendum.
It makes me laugh some of the nonsense politicians talk on the 2016 referendum.
In politics everything is under a constant barrage of information and pressure to change a policy for better or worse.
It has to be remembered that an advisory referendum (2016) has no legal consequence and the last General Election in 2017 is the true mandate, which was of course in parliamentary arithmetic terms inconclusive. Parliament is where the power resides.
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That stuff is fascinating.Chris_A said:And if you really want to know about Clavius's magnum opus it's all here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computus
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Stuff a bollock in it, grandad. None of us have got time for your triggered old duffer act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are losing it. Make your point but unnecessary and abusive language demeans the authorgrabcocque said:
Support which is miraculous failing to appear in any poll or vote in Parliament. May's desperate rampers have been telling us the mood has been changing since before Christmas.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Lewis Goodall of Sky said today that he has been surprised at how much support TM is gathering across the Country, as he reports from various locations
Here we are a month later. So where is it?
The mood hasn't changed. NOTHING has fucking changed.
All that useless twat has done is wasted a month of everyone's time.-1 -
All this poll shows is a month of absurd panic headlines about the country running out of food and medicine with roads blocked by stranded lorries has had an impact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Of course they are not far right.
The hard brexiteers are cheered on by the telegraph and express
The mail is supporting TM deal and 100% anti no deal
That's all May and her supporters have left - fear. It's a valid political tool but does that mean people support the Deal? No, it means they have been scared into supporting it by conflated tales of the end of civilisation if we leave without a deal on 29/3.
Yes, it's valid but it's tawdry and unworthy of the Prime Minister. If she is unable to convince and persuade, she should accept it not try to coerce and scare people into accepting an item of policy or legislation.0 -
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I think that generally, you're a bit of a c@#t, but that made me spit cheap whisky over my keyboard!grabcocque said:
Stuff a bollock in it, grandad. None of us have got time for your triggered old duffer act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are losing it. Make your point but unnecessary and abusive language demeans the authorgrabcocque said:
Support which is miraculous failing to appear in any poll or vote in Parliament. May's desperate rampers have been telling us the mood has been changing since before Christmas.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Lewis Goodall of Sky said today that he has been surprised at how much support TM is gathering across the Country, as he reports from various locations
Here we are a month later. So where is it?
The mood hasn't changed. NOTHING has fucking changed.
All that useless twat has done is wasted a month of everyone's time.0 -
Can the moderators not intervene?grabcocque said:
Stuff a bollock in it, grandad. None of us have got time for your triggered old duffer act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are losing it. Make your point but unnecessary and abusive language demeans the authorgrabcocque said:
Support which is miraculous failing to appear in any poll or vote in Parliament. May's desperate rampers have been telling us the mood has been changing since before Christmas.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Lewis Goodall of Sky said today that he has been surprised at how much support TM is gathering across the Country, as he reports from various locations
Here we are a month later. So where is it?
The mood hasn't changed. NOTHING has fucking changed.
All that useless twat has done is wasted a month of everyone's time.
This poster is one of the most abusive we've had to put up with.
If his intention is to make his cause look ridiculous, he is succeeding.0 -
The Telegraph's decay from once-respected-if-pompous High Tory rag into a sad alt-reich tribute act with plummeting readership is truly tragic. Or would be if the Telegraph wasn't owned by some weapons-grade thunderc*nts.0
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Inside or outside the Eurozone or the EU, given the demographics and lack of structural reform, Italy will likely need to go cap in hand to the ECB and/or the IMF at some point*. I think that is probably inevitable.Black_Rook said:Thus, the cohesion of the Eurozone will potentially come to rely on the voters of Italy (an original founder member of the EU's predecessor organisations, and its third largest state) accepting a punishment beating a bit like that doled out to the Greeks, but not quite as bad? And a coalition of recalcitrant right-wing populists and disorganised pseudo-anarchists is expected to obediently wield the baseball bat?
That should be interesting.
And when you're turning up and asking for money, well, you're not in a very strong position.
Interesting is an appropriate word.
* Unless, of course, the Eurozone were to have a bout of inflation... say 5% a year for five years... that would knock 30 points off the Italian debt-to-GDP numbers. I don't think this is likely.0 -
2038 will be the next year when the date of Easter given by astronomical calculations (using UTC) gives a different date March 28th from the ecclesiastical date 25th April. The last such occasion was 1981.0
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Calm down dear.YBarddCwsc said:
Can the moderators not intervene?grabcocque said:
Stuff a bollock in it, grandad. None of us have got time for your triggered old duffer act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are losing it. Make your point but unnecessary and abusive language demeans the authorgrabcocque said:
Support which is miraculous failing to appear in any poll or vote in Parliament. May's desperate rampers have been telling us the mood has been changing since before Christmas.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Lewis Goodall of Sky said today that he has been surprised at how much support TM is gathering across the Country, as he reports from various locations
Here we are a month later. So where is it?
The mood hasn't changed. NOTHING has fucking changed.
All that useless twat has done is wasted a month of everyone's time.
Big_G loves it when I'm rude to him because he gets to tut at me in a disapproving paternalist fashion. It's basically a form of erotic roleplay.
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I know she will lose the vote on tuesday but that in itself is not a bad thing as the way forward should become more obviousgrabcocque said:
Well, we haven't seen this poll so I'll withhold my judgment. But I know you're not an idiot, Big_G, you know full well nothing has changed and Mrs May is going to be the victim of an involuntary parliamentary gangbang on Tuesday with very little romance. You know nothing has changed, what I don't get is why you're trying to talk yourself into hope.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That may suit your agenda but the mail is quoting a poll showing increasing supportgrabcocque said:
Big_G, a Daily Mail front page isn't evidence of anything at all. Unless you want to know if a 2nd Referendum causes cancer.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Further evidence that TM is gaining support from voters and mps are not listeningwilliamglenn said:
It does look as if TM is the one in touch with the public
There's no polling evidence to suggest anything other than the electorate are violently opposed to Mrs May's deal.
The only issue I am implacably opposed to is no deal and I believe TM will not permit it to happen. Her whole strategy has been to limit the economic damage of brexit and her deal does this short of remaining in the EU
For someone who was remain, has achieved the best deal possible, she simply will not take us off the cliff
My only appeal to you is to moderate your bitterness as it does not help you in your arguments which at times are very good
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If there is one thing you should know about me, it's that I am *definitely* a bit of a c*nt.twistedfirestopper3 said:
I think that generally, you're a bit of a c@#t, but that made me spit cheap whisky over my keyboard!grabcocque said:
Stuff a bollock in it, grandad. None of us have got time for your triggered old duffer act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are losing it. Make your point but unnecessary and abusive language demeans the authorgrabcocque said:
Support which is miraculous failing to appear in any poll or vote in Parliament. May's desperate rampers have been telling us the mood has been changing since before Christmas.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Lewis Goodall of Sky said today that he has been surprised at how much support TM is gathering across the Country, as he reports from various locations
Here we are a month later. So where is it?
The mood hasn't changed. NOTHING has fucking changed.
All that useless twat has done is wasted a month of everyone's time.0 -
You seem to be contradicting yourself by acknowledging fear tactics are valid, but then suggesting no one should ever use them as it is unworthy. I know you say they 'should' accept if they are unable to convince and persuade, but if you truly believe that in the absence of other persuasive arguments PM's should not even try fear tactics on their own, it doesn't sound much like you actually think it is valid.stodge said:
All this poll shows is a month of absurd panic headlines about the country running out of food and medicine with roads blocked by stranded lorries has had an impact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Of course they are not far right.
The hard brexiteers are cheered on by the telegraph and express
The mail is supporting TM deal and 100% anti no deal
That's all May and her supporters have left - fear. It's a valid political tool but does that mean people support the Deal? No, it means they have been scared into supporting it by conflated tales of the end of civilisation if we leave without a deal on 29/3.
Yes, it's valid but it's tawdry and unworthy of the Prime Minister. If she is unable to convince and persuade, she should accept it not try to coerce and scare people into accepting an item of policy or legislation.
Since you believe it is a valid political tool, when is it acceptable? How many positive arguments must go alongside it? Are they responsible if people focus on the fear tactics even if they are also pushing positive messages? What level of negative messaging is permissable? Who judges that given what one person thinks is inflated others do not? If the politician believes the fearmongering to be true is that ok, even though they are wrong?
I think a change of course probably should have happened some time ago given even all the fear tactics don't seem to have moved MPs to any significant degree (plus negativity is hardly an ideal way of selling something), but I am very confused by what you deign to decide is acceptable or not.0 -
All polls have house effects. Survation produces different results to Yougov, but polls less frequently.grabcocque said:
Support which is miraculous failing to appear in any poll or vote in Parliament. May's desperate rampers have been telling us the mood has been changing since before Christmas.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Lewis Goodall of Sky said today that he has been surprised at how much support TM is gathering across the Country, as he reports from various locations
Here we are a month later. So where is it?
The mood hasn't changed. NOTHING has fucking changed.
All that useless twat has done is wasted a month of everyone's time.0 -
I'm genuinely not bitter, Big_G. I come to PB because I enjoy you guys and your company and your wisdom. It's all meant in the best possible spirit, even when it's not in the best possible taste.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My only appeal to you is to moderate your bitterness as it does not help you in your arguments which at times are very good
Also I have been drinking V O D K A
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They were told that by a proven liar.RobD said:
True, but why are people being asked to vote again when they were told the first vote was final and irreversible, and not subject to a second referendum?Alistair said:
But the legislation for the referendum didn't say that.RobD said:
The head of the Remain campaign said the vote would be final and irreversible, and it would not be put to the electorate again in a second referendum.Alistair said:
David Cameron is a liar. This is hardly news.RobD said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/25/eu-exit-vote-no-means-no-says-pmHisMajestyKingZog said:Everybody seems to be quite cavalier about overturning the largest vote in British history.
Grant the referendum to the people.
Say that it's 'once in a generation' and you'll implement the decision.
Invoke Article 50.
Run on Manifesto promises that Brexit will happen.
Over 80% vote for Brexit in the election.
At the last minute try and block the referendum decision.
Not a good look at all...
David Cameron has delivered a stark warning to the British people that a vote to leave the EU will be final and irreversible, as he stamps on suggestions that a better deal could then be negotiated and put to the electorate in a second referendum.0 -
There's also some unexpected and unusual repetitions in the dates of Easter too. For instance the Easters we're all living through from 1948 to 2047 will repeat exactly between 2100 and 2199.0
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Ah the explanation for your login name here.grabcocque said:
If there is one thing you should know about me, it's that I am *definitely* a bit of a c*nt.twistedfirestopper3 said:
I think that generally, you're a bit of a c@#t, but that made me spit cheap whisky over my keyboard!grabcocque said:
Stuff a bollock in it, grandad. None of us have got time for your triggered old duffer act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are losing it. Make your point but unnecessary and abusive language demeans the authorgrabcocque said:
Support which is miraculous failing to appear in any poll or vote in Parliament. May's desperate rampers have been telling us the mood has been changing since before Christmas.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Lewis Goodall of Sky said today that he has been surprised at how much support TM is gathering across the Country, as he reports from various locations
Here we are a month later. So where is it?
The mood hasn't changed. NOTHING has fucking changed.
All that useless twat has done is wasted a month of everyone's time.0 -
When has a referendum *ever* been final, irrevocable and once-in-a-lifetime? They almost NEVER are. Anyone who believed it is basically a simpletard.Alistair said:
They were told that by a proven liar.0 -
Actually I do not and I absolutely object to your language.grabcocque said:
Calm down dear.YBarddCwsc said:
Can the moderators not intervene?grabcocque said:
Stuff a bollock in it, grandad. None of us have got time for your triggered old duffer act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are losing it. Make your point but unnecessary and abusive language demeans the authorgrabcocque said:
Support which is miraculous failing to appear in any poll or vote in Parliament. May's desperate rampers have been telling us the mood has been changing since before Christmas.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Lewis Goodall of Sky said today that he has been surprised at how much support TM is gathering across the Country, as he reports from various locations
Here we are a month later. So where is it?
The mood hasn't changed. NOTHING has fucking changed.
All that useless twat has done is wasted a month of everyone's time.
Big_G loves it when I'm rude to him because he gets to tut at me in a disapproving paternalist fashion. It's basically a form of erotic roleplay.
It is not funny, or clever, and is unacceptable.
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A lot of people were talking out their arses, or if we wish to be kind, that was the intent at the time (naturally, since remain was expected to win). But statements of intent are irrelevant. Things change, and because of incompetence and division those who want a rerun see their chance and are seizing it.RobD said:
True, but why are people being asked to vote again when they were told the first vote was final and irreversible, and not subject to a second referendum?Alistair said:
But the legislation for the referendum didn't say that.RobD said:
The head of the Remain campaign said the vote would be final and irreversible, and it would not be put to the electorate again in a second referendum.Alistair said:
David Cameron is a liar. This is hardly news.RobD said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/25/eu-exit-vote-no-means-no-says-pmHisMajestyKingZog said:Everybody seems to be quite cavalier about overturning the largest vote in British history.
Grant the referendum to the people.
Say that it's 'once in a generation' and you'll implement the decision.
Invoke Article 50.
Run on Manifesto promises that Brexit will happen.
Over 80% vote for Brexit in the election.
At the last minute try and block the referendum decision.
Not a good look at all...
David Cameron has delivered a stark warning to the British people that a vote to leave the EU will be final and irreversible, as he stamps on suggestions that a better deal could then be negotiated and put to the electorate in a second referendum.
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Easter was on January 1st this year. Our village Co-Op had Easter eggs on the shelf, so it must be Easter.Chris_A said:There's also some unexpected and unusual repetitions in the dates of Easter too. For instance the Easters we're all living through from 1948 to 2047 will repeat exactly between 2100 and 2199.
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Oh yes. That's the stuff.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Actually I do not and I absolutely object to your language.grabcocque said:
Calm down dear.YBarddCwsc said:
Can the moderators not intervene?grabcocque said:
Stuff a bollock in it, grandad. None of us have got time for your triggered old duffer act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are losing it. Make your point but unnecessary and abusive language demeans the authorgrabcocque said:
Support which is miraculous failing to appear in any poll or vote in Parliament. May's desperate rampers have been telling us the mood has been changing since before Christmas.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Lewis Goodall of Sky said today that he has been surprised at how much support TM is gathering across the Country, as he reports from various locations
Here we are a month later. So where is it?
The mood hasn't changed. NOTHING has fucking changed.
All that useless twat has done is wasted a month of everyone's time.
Big_G loves it when I'm rude to him because he gets to tut at me in a disapproving paternalist fashion. It's basically a form of erotic roleplay.
It is not funny, or clever, and is unacceptable.
TELL ME THAT I'VE LET MYSELF DOWN.
Berate me. I'm a naughty boy.0 -
@Black_Rook
Thinking a little more, there are four things that make Italy different from Greece.
Firstly, Greece was running a 7% budget deficit with a 170% debt-to-GDP and a contracting economy. They had no options, because they needed to fund their budget deficit. Italy shouldn't be in such a weak position.
Secondly, Greece was also running a terrible current account deficit. In other words, they needed to import capital (i.e. to borrow from abroad) to pay for their imports. Italy runs a fairly sizeable current account surplus.
Thirdly, Italians don't personally owe very much. Consumer debt is one of the lowest levels in the world.
Fourthly, the Italian state still has loads of assets it can sell. (Unlike Greece.) Back in my fund management days, I got an analyst to total up the stakes in quoted companies (Eni, etc.), and was surprised to discover that a sensible programme to sell off stakes could raise something like 30% of GDP.
All these things mean that Italy won't have to go through the same degree of pain. Pain, sure, but not to the same extent.0 -
I mean, again, this sort of chat would make for a much better HoC debate. I'd definitely tune in for that.0
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I can't wait to see that happen. No, I literally can't wait to see that happen!Chris_A said:There's also some unexpected and unusual repetitions in the dates of Easter too. For instance the Easters we're all living through from 1948 to 2047 will repeat exactly between 2100 and 2199.
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Oh, I missed that the government has been handling things incompetently again.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46834533
I'm beginning to wonder if we'd even notice if Corbyn took over.
A move I can wholeheartedly support. Apparently Hot Cross Buns used to be season items too, thank goodness we are past those dark times.twistedfirestopper3 said:
Easter was on January 1st this year. Our village Co-Op had Easter eggs on the shelf, so it must be Easter.Chris_A said:There's also some unexpected and unusual repetitions in the dates of Easter too. For instance the Easters we're all living through from 1948 to 2047 will repeat exactly between 2100 and 2199.
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IIRC Easter is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal equinox, and as a result of the attentuation of cycles in both the Gregorian calendar and lunar calendars, has a periodicity that repeats every 22,000 thousand years or so.twistedfirestopper3 said:
Easter was on January 1st this year. Our village Co-Op had Easter eggs on the shelf, so it must be Easter.Chris_A said:There's also some unexpected and unusual repetitions in the dates of Easter too. For instance the Easters we're all living through from 1948 to 2047 will repeat exactly between 2100 and 2199.
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Fair enough. Evidence certainly suggests that snivelling cop outs on technicalities are what's really resonating with the voting public at the moment.RobD said:
Technically correct, the best kind of correct.Theuniondivvie said:
More weasely than a ginger haired character from Harry Potter stroking a member of the mustelidae family.RobD said:
It didn't say voting no wasn't.Theuniondivvie said:
This sort of thing you mean?
https://twitter.com/UK_Together/status/5068997149238435840 -
Can't we just make Good Friday the first Friday in April? A lot easier.0
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That just reminds me that Futurama is 19 years old now. Where did the time go?RobD said:
Technically correct, the best kind of correct.Theuniondivvie said:
More weasely than a ginger haired character from Harry Potter stroking a member of the mustelidae family.RobD said:
It didn't say voting no wasn't.Theuniondivvie said:
This sort of thing you mean?
https://twitter.com/UK_Together/status/5068997149238435840 -
5,700,000 years in the Gregorian calendar or 532 in the Julian.grabcocque said:
IIRC Easter is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal equinox, and as a result of the attentuation of cycles in both the Gregorian calendar and lunar calendars, has a periodicity that repeats every 22,000 thousand years or so.twistedfirestopper3 said:
Easter was on January 1st this year. Our village Co-Op had Easter eggs on the shelf, so it must be Easter.Chris_A said:There's also some unexpected and unusual repetitions in the dates of Easter too. For instance the Easters we're all living through from 1948 to 2047 will repeat exactly between 2100 and 2199.
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Have you tried sex yet ?grabcocque said:
Oh yes. That's the stuff.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Actually I do not and I absolutely object to your language.grabcocque said:
Calm down dear.YBarddCwsc said:
Can the moderators not intervene?grabcocque said:
Stuff a bollock in it, grandad. None of us have got time for your triggered old duffer act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are losing it. Make your point but unnecessary and abusive language demeans the authorgrabcocque said:
Support which is miraculous failing to appear in any poll or vote in Parliament. May's desperate rampers have been telling us the mood has been changing since before Christmas.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Lewis Goodall of Sky said today that he has been surprised at how much support TM is gathering across the Country, as he reports from various locations
Here we are a month later. So where is it?
The mood hasn't changed. NOTHING has fucking changed.
All that useless twat has done is wasted a month of everyone's time.
Big_G loves it when I'm rude to him because he gets to tut at me in a disapproving paternalist fashion. It's basically a form of erotic roleplay.
It is not funny, or clever, and is unacceptable.
TELL ME THAT I'VE LET MYSELF DOWN.
Berate me. I'm a naughty boy.
I mean, I occasionally look in at pb.com.
Every time I look in, you seem to be posting violent, aggressive sexual imagery and masturbatory fantasies. I mean not just occasionally, it is 24/7.
You need a break.
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It won't come as a surprise that the time series of weather data used to produce the statistic that started this discussion isn't quite so long as that.RobD said:
That graph is brilliant - frequency computed over a 5.7 million year cycle. I wonder what causes the slight peak on April 19?Chris_A said:
Well the mid date for Easter is April 8th but the most common date for it is April 19th. Frequency table here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computus#/media/File:Easter_Distribution.svgIanB2 said:
True. Although the statistic only makes sense if we consider whenever is mean Easter.ydoethur said:
OK, fair point. It is a late one this year, isn't it - end of April.IanB2 said:
Simply that there is still some time to run unti we get to Easter.ydoethur said:
Yes. And? That is what I would expect given our weather patterns.IanB2 said:
Although it is a statistical fact that snow in London is more likely at Easter than at Christmas.ydoethur said:
TBH, although I place no faith in weather forecasts, it wouldn't surprise me. It's been a mild winter so far (except for a brief cold snap in October) but all the earlier signs were for a hard freeze at some point. We're running out of time if it is in the cards, and this is normally the coldest time of the year.IanB2 said:
The long range forecasts have been pointing to significant chance of a cold end to the month for some time, and the medium range are starting to suggest a temperature drop in the last week of Jan. Central Europe is already suffering unusually heavy snowfalls (parts of southern Germany and Austria are shut down) and the probability that we get hit seems to be increasing.ydoethur said:
Snow? In the UK?! In January?IanB2 said:Snow within a fortnight looks quite possible.
I dunno, what is the world coming to?
More seriously, what makes you say that?
That doesn't alter the fact that it was a very mild November and December in 2018.0 -
basically they are telling leave voters to fuck off as their votes don't matter.kle4 said:
A lot of people were talking out their arses, or if we wish to be kind, that was the intent at the time (naturally, since remain was expected to win). But statements of intent are irrelevant. Things change, and because of incompetence and division those who want a rerun see their chance and are seizing it.RobD said:
True, but why are people being asked to vote again when they were told the first vote was final and irreversible, and not subject to a second referendum?Alistair said:
But the legislation for the referendum didn't say that.RobD said:
The head of the Remain campaign said the vote would be final and irreversible, and it would not be put to the electorate again in a second referendum.Alistair said:
David Cameron is a liar. This is hardly news.RobD said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/25/eu-exit-vote-no-means-no-says-pmHisMajestyKingZog said:Everybody seems to be quite cavalier about overturning the largest vote in British history.
Grant the referendum to the people.
Say that it's 'once in a generation' and you'll implement the decision.
Invoke Article 50.
Run on Manifesto promises that Brexit will happen.
Over 80% vote for Brexit in the election.
At the last minute try and block the referendum decision.
Not a good look at all...
David Cameron has delivered a stark warning to the British people that a vote to leave the EU will be final and irreversible, as he stamps on suggestions that a better deal could then be negotiated and put to the electorate in a second referendum.
Tories will destroy themselves and we get turned into Venezuala by the trots
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I remember reading, though I can't find any evidence now so maybe I dreamed it, that Cadbury's starts making (and stockpiling) Creme Eggs in September, and stops making them in March.twistedfirestopper3 said:
Easter was on January 1st this year. Our village Co-Op had Easter eggs on the shelf, so it must be Easter.Chris_A said:There's also some unexpected and unusual repetitions in the dates of Easter too. For instance the Easters we're all living through from 1948 to 2047 will repeat exactly between 2100 and 2199.
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You are feeding the trollBig_G_NorthWales said:
Actually I do not and I absolutely object to your language.grabcocque said:
Calm down dear.YBarddCwsc said:
Can the moderators not intervene?grabcocque said:
Stuff a bollock in it, grandad. None of us have got time for your triggered old duffer act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are losing it. Make your point but unnecessary and abusive language demeans the authorgrabcocque said:
Support which is miraculous failing to appear in any poll or vote in Parliament. May's desperate rampers have been telling us the mood has been changing since before Christmas.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Lewis Goodall of Sky said today that he has been surprised at how much support TM is gathering across the Country, as he reports from various locations
Here we are a month later. So where is it?
The mood hasn't changed. NOTHING has fucking changed.
All that useless twat has done is wasted a month of everyone's time.
Big_G loves it when I'm rude to him because he gets to tut at me in a disapproving paternalist fashion. It's basically a form of erotic roleplay.
It is not funny, or clever, and is unacceptable.0 -
They should just pick a date and stick with it.Chris_A said:
5,700,000 years in the Gregorian calendar or 532 in the Julian.grabcocque said:
IIRC Easter is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal equinox, and as a result of the attentuation of cycles in both the Gregorian calendar and lunar calendars, has a periodicity that repeats every 22,000 thousand years or so.twistedfirestopper3 said:
Easter was on January 1st this year. Our village Co-Op had Easter eggs on the shelf, so it must be Easter.Chris_A said:There's also some unexpected and unusual repetitions in the dates of Easter too. For instance the Easters we're all living through from 1948 to 2047 will repeat exactly between 2100 and 2199.
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She did use to work as the Midlands’ own version of Jerry Springer... this shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone.NickPalmer said:
Thanks! I always say that she gives the Tories more trouble than I didSean_F said:
Given a choice between the two, I'd have no hesitation voting for Nick P.Foxy said:
Bring on the reurn of Nick Palmer!Richard_Tyndall said:
Even putting aside my stated animosity towards her, it is clear she is deeply unpopular these days in her own constituency. It is not just that she is a Remainer in a Leave constituency - that possibly wouldn't matter - but that she is so strident and offensive in her views, willing to give insult but screaming blue murder if it is returned. I would be very surprised if she survives the next election.. I put out a sympathetic tweet last week when she was being harassed.
Objectively I think she's courageous and never hesitates to take on opponents with her honest opinions, but also pointlessly aggressive in all directions.
(Many of my teenage evenings were wasted staying up to watch Central Weekend!)0 -
I'm going to become Pope just so I can say "Easter is the last Sunday in March, IDIOTS" and then die immediately.IanB2 said:
They should just pick a date and stick with it.Chris_A said:
5,700,000 years in the Gregorian calendar or 532 in the Julian.grabcocque said:
IIRC Easter is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal equinox, and as a result of the attentuation of cycles in both the Gregorian calendar and lunar calendars, has a periodicity that repeats every 22,000 thousand years or so.twistedfirestopper3 said:
Easter was on January 1st this year. Our village Co-Op had Easter eggs on the shelf, so it must be Easter.Chris_A said:There's also some unexpected and unusual repetitions in the dates of Easter too. For instance the Easters we're all living through from 1948 to 2047 will repeat exactly between 2100 and 2199.
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And when it clashes with that other holiday, April fools day?SandyRentool said:Can't we just make Good Friday the first Friday in April? A lot easier.
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Well they're only a couple of thousand years into this thing, it's early days to be locking things down.IanB2 said:
They should just pick a date and stick with it.Chris_A said:
5,700,000 years in the Gregorian calendar or 532 in the Julian.grabcocque said:
IIRC Easter is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal equinox, and as a result of the attentuation of cycles in both the Gregorian calendar and lunar calendars, has a periodicity that repeats every 22,000 thousand years or so.twistedfirestopper3 said:
Easter was on January 1st this year. Our village Co-Op had Easter eggs on the shelf, so it must be Easter.Chris_A said:There's also some unexpected and unusual repetitions in the dates of Easter too. For instance the Easters we're all living through from 1948 to 2047 will repeat exactly between 2100 and 2199.
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