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The post-World-War-II baby boom started having children of their own?ExiledInScotland said:
What happened in the early 70's to cause the population spike? Alternative leisure activities due to power cuts?Foxy said:
Surely the same applies to our working age population?AndyJS said:No-one should be surprised that the Chinese growth rate is declining, since their working-age population has been dropping for nearly 3 years.
https://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-working-age-population-peaked-2016-4?r=UK&IR=T
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201801/12/WS5a584e92a3102c394518edbc.html
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/978302412363624448?s=19
Things that have affected population growth in the UK
* 1940's: Return of soldiers after WWII (increase in conceptions)
* 1950's: NHS and compulsory vaccinations (more babies survive)
* 1960-70s: wider availability of contraception (decrease in conception)
* 1990s-2010s: greater immigration (immigrants are younger, and younger people have babies...)
Unlike the USA, the UK had two baby-boom spikes (WWII and vaccination), which is why I get mildly annoyed when we use US cohort terms. Our population growed differently.0 -
I hate to say this, but it is about time somebody took on Andrew Neil. He is by no means the worst, but he's not infallible.FrancisUrquhart said:And wee Owen is now ranting on Twitter,
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I am amazed that Nadal has managed to keep going. He is like Murray in that he puts massive amounts of strain in order to win, unlike say a Federer.AndyJS said:
Sad news, although I often thought his style of play looked rather awkward, and that it was putting too much strain on his body to enable him to play beyond the age of 30.Danny565 said:Andy Murray to retire from tennis.
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They were shooting at us and many other people. That's normally considered a good reason to be killed.RobD said:
Not sure what's wrong with that headline. I don't think the average solider in the Wehrmacht was evil or deserved to die.FrancisUrquhart said:And wee Owen is now ranting on Twitter,
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So were allied soldiers.viewcode said:
They were shooting at us and many other people. That's normally considered a good reason to be killed.RobD said:
Not sure what's wrong with that headline. I don't think the average solider in the Wehrmacht was evil or deserved to die.FrancisUrquhart said:And wee Owen is now ranting on Twitter,
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They weren't shooting at my ancestors! Apart possibly for some of my relatives, but that's by marriage not blood so it don't count...RobD said:
So were allied soldiers.viewcode said:
They were shooting at us and many other people. That's normally considered a good reason to be killed.RobD said:
Not sure what's wrong with that headline. I don't think the average solider in the Wehrmacht was evil or deserved to die.FrancisUrquhart said:And wee Owen is now ranting on Twitter,
twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1083522347620020225
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I am surprised nobody found that before. Imagine if they had that during the election.williamglenn said:twitter.com/_alexhirsch/status/1083140191362048000?s=21
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Heh, well I don’t think it was personal.viewcode said:
They weren't shooting at my ancestors! Apart possibly for some of my relatives, but that's by marriage not blood so it don't count...RobD said:
So were allied soldiers.viewcode said:
They were shooting at us and many other people. That's normally considered a good reason to be killed.RobD said:
Not sure what's wrong with that headline. I don't think the average solider in the Wehrmacht was evil or deserved to die.FrancisUrquhart said:And wee Owen is now ranting on Twitter,
twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1083522347620020225
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Proof of time travel. Somebody went back in time and wrote a reference to Trump in a TV show. We're now going to kid ourselves that it was there ALL THE TIME!FrancisUrquhart said:
I am surprised nobody found that before. Imagine if they had that during the election.williamglenn said:twitter.com/_alexhirsch/status/1083140191362048000?s=21
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" Art intuitively apprehends coming changes in the collective unconciousness. " - Carl Jungwilliamglenn said:0 -
True, Nadal someone manages to avoid injuries most of the time.FrancisUrquhart said:
I am amazed that Nadal has managed to keep going. He is like Murray in that he puts massive amounts of strain in order to win, unlike say a Federer.AndyJS said:
Sad news, although I often thought his style of play looked rather awkward, and that it was putting too much strain on his body to enable him to play beyond the age of 30.Danny565 said:Andy Murray to retire from tennis.
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Here’s the full episode of the 1958 Trump story for those who are interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGWL1mMJHss0 -
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Didn't watch it myself.
Left wing (and I would assume centrist but we aren't as close) twitter seemed to enjoy this bit
https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1083518686105866241
She seemed quite good, might be worth giving a go again at some point.0 -
You know who " Socialist Voice " is don't you ? I'm *very* surprised to see you sharing him as a source much less on a mainstream site lile PB.TheJezziah said:Didn't watch it myself.
Left wing (and I would assume centrist but we aren't as close) twitter seemed to enjoy this bit
https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1083518686105866241
She seemed quite good, might be worth giving a go again at some point.0 -
Recent polling in London is interesting. It seems to show a fairly hefty swing from Labour to the LDs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#London
The most recent one has Lab 40%, Con 35%, LD 15, Greens 5%, UKIP 4%.
Changes since GE2017 would be Lab-15%, Con+2%, LD+6%, Greens+3%, UKIP+3%.
This isn't a sub-sample from a GB YouGov poll, it looks like a dedicated London survey with 2,988 respondents.0 -
Couldn't say I do. Shared it for the clip, which seems suitable for a PB audience and I am fairly sure is genuine.Yellow_Submarine said:
You know who " Socialist Voice " is don't you ? I'm *very* surprised to see you sharing him as a source much less on a mainstream site lile PB.TheJezziah said:Didn't watch it myself.
Left wing (and I would assume centrist but we aren't as close) twitter seemed to enjoy this bit
https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1083518686105866241
She seemed quite good, might be worth giving a go again at some point.0 -
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
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But the same thing does seem to be happening nationally too -AndyJS said:Recent polling in London is interesting. It seems to show a fairly hefty swing from Labour to the LDs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#London
The most recent one has Lab 40%, Con 35%, LD 15, Greens 5%, UKIP 4%.
Changes since GE2017 would be Lab-15%, Con+2%, LD+6%, Greens+3%, UKIP+3%.
This isn't a sub-sample from a GB YouGov poll, it looks like a dedicated London survey with 2,988 respondents.
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 40% (-1)
LAB: 34% (-5)
LDEM: 10% (+3)
GRN: 4% (-)
UKIP: 4% (+1)
via @YouGov, 21 Dec - 04 Jan
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Scott Nelson. One of the few people to be so anti-Semitic even the Labour Party had to kick him out. Still pals with the vile Chris Williamson and regularly shared and boosted by Corbyn fans though.TheJezziah said:
Couldn't say I do. Shared it for the clip, which seems suitable for a PB audience and I am fairly sure is genuine.Yellow_Submarine said:
You know who " Socialist Voice " is don't you ? I'm *very* surprised to see you sharing him as a source much less on a mainstream site lile PB.TheJezziah said:Didn't watch it myself.
Left wing (and I would assume centrist but we aren't as close) twitter seemed to enjoy this bit
https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1083518686105866241
She seemed quite good, might be worth giving a go again at some point.-1 -
When I make these kinds of mistakes I like to put it down the advanced multitasking my brain undertakes at any given moment. If I wasn't so smart I would make far less stupid little errors.TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
There are other explanations but I find them less appealing.0 -
A50 extension and the European Parliament (continued):
https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1083520723367411714
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this implies that any technical extension to allow time to complete the ratification process for the WA could last no more than about three weeks, and effectively Westminster would still need to complete ratification by not much later than March 29th to leave the European Parliament enough time to debate and vote on it.
Of course, a lengthier extension to allow for further constitutional processes to be completed in Britain, or a second referendum, or anything else is blocked by the fact that we would then have to elect MEPs, some of our seats in the European Parliament have already been redistributed to other member states, and we therefore cannot receive the required allocation of 73 seats because the total size of the chamber is limited by treaty.
Are there means for the EU to fudge all of this (even if it were inclined to do so,) or would I be right to conclude that all of this implies that we either have to revoke A50 or complete the withdrawal process on or very shortly after March 29th?0 -
One poll by one pollster doesn't really tell us anything.logical_song said:
But the same thing does seem to be happening nationally too -AndyJS said:Recent polling in London is interesting. It seems to show a fairly hefty swing from Labour to the LDs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#London
The most recent one has Lab 40%, Con 35%, LD 15, Greens 5%, UKIP 4%.
Changes since GE2017 would be Lab-15%, Con+2%, LD+6%, Greens+3%, UKIP+3%.
This isn't a sub-sample from a GB YouGov poll, it looks like a dedicated London survey with 2,988 respondents.
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 40% (-1)
LAB: 34% (-5)
LDEM: 10% (+3)
GRN: 4% (-)
UKIP: 4% (+1)
via @YouGov, 21 Dec - 04 Jan
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The Tories might regain a couple of seats in London on that.AndyJS said:Recent polling in London is interesting. It seems to show a fairly hefty swing from Labour to the LDs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#London
The most recent one has Lab 40%, Con 35%, LD 15, Greens 5%, UKIP 4%.
Changes since GE2017 would be Lab-15%, Con+2%, LD+6%, Greens+3%, UKIP+3%.
This isn't a sub-sample from a GB YouGov poll, it looks like a dedicated London survey with 2,988 respondents.
But the LDs would also regain Richmond.0 -
An innocent mistake.TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
Nice to see all those hair-trigger reactions anyway, though, as several ultra-liberal white men use it as an opportunity to publicly signal (again) how massively unracist they think they are.
It’s pretty much the first thing you do in such circles, now, after answering, “what do you do?”0 -
On topic, that Betfair market looks like a buy to me now.0
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That was a shit answer by Stupidly, but what could he possibly say? May's Plan B (#peoplesvote) is currently unutterable as most people would prefer it to Plan A (the shit deal).TheJezziah said:Didn't watch it myself.
Left wing (and I would assume centrist but we aren't as close) twitter seemed to enjoy this bit
https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1083518686105866241
She seemed quite good, might be worth giving a go again at some point.0 -
The whole point of the Spectator is to provide a platform for thought-provoking articles on contentious political and cultural topics that you wouldn’t find anywhere else. It makes you think whether you’re for, or against, or neither, or just think the author has an axe to grind. It can often publish articles from the opposite point of view, in response, the following week.FrancisUrquhart said:And wee Owen is now ranting on Twitter,
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1083522347620020225
Taki, and Rod Little, have zero time for any form of political correctness and like to provoke to make their points. So did Toby Young at one point, but he’s understandably dialled it back now.
It is quite typical of Owen Jones to simplify and then exaggerate, because he sees some useful political ammunition for his big target there.0 -
Taki and Rod Liddle are racists. Owen Jones did his cause no good at all last night.Casino_Royale said:
The whole point of the Spectator is to provide a platform for thought-provoking articles on contentious political and cultural topics that you wouldn’t find anywhere else. It makes you think whether you’re for, or against, or neither, or just think the author has an axe to grind. It can often publish articles from the opposite point of view, in response, the following week.FrancisUrquhart said:And wee Owen is now ranting on Twitter,
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1083522347620020225
Taki, and Rod Little, have zero time for any form of political correctness and like to provoke to make their points. So did Toby Young at one point, but he’s understandably dialled it back now.
It is quite typical of Owen Jones to simplify and then exaggerate, because he sees some useful political ammunition for his big target there.
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The most recent poll there is a sub-set of the People’s Vote one, isn’t it?AndyJS said:Recent polling in London is interesting. It seems to show a fairly hefty swing from Labour to the LDs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#London
The most recent one has Lab 40%, Con 35%, LD 15, Greens 5%, UKIP 4%.
Changes since GE2017 would be Lab-15%, Con+2%, LD+6%, Greens+3%, UKIP+3%.
This isn't a sub-sample from a GB YouGov poll, it looks like a dedicated London survey with 2,988 respondents.
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People (liberal or not) are often quick to jump to conclusions. Impossible to know why it was done but I wouldn't be sure enough to condemn him for it and would rather give him the chance to explain (which he has) on balance I would say it wasn't anything the problem is plenty of racist people would make up (or choose one they know) a different name to insult people.Casino_Royale said:
An innocent mistake.TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
Nice to see all those hair-trigger reactions anyway, though, as several ultra-liberal white men use it as an opportunity to publicly signal (again) how massively unracist they think they are.
It’s pretty much the first thing you do in such circles, now, after answering, “what do you do?”
Should probably avoid some circle of jumping to conclusions at this point.0 -
Couldn't he have said TMay would announce what would happen after the vote went down, but all the options are bad compared to just passing it? That's the truth, and it's the closest thing they have to a line. If TMay has a plan, she doesn't seem to have told anyone.Dura_Ace said:
That was a shit answer by Stupidly, but what could he possibly say? May's Plan B (#peoplesvote) is currently unutterable as most people would prefer it to Plan A (the shit deal).TheJezziah said:Didn't watch it myself.
Left wing (and I would assume centrist but we aren't as close) twitter seemed to enjoy this bit
https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1083518686105866241
She seemed quite good, might be worth giving a go again at some point.0 -
Tough question to answer no doubt, no real good answers to it and attacking the opposition is the safe approach but perhaps without implying he was going to come up with an alternative just stick to the idea that the deal is the only option.Dura_Ace said:
That was a shit answer by Stupidly, but what could he possibly say? May's Plan B (#peoplesvote) is currently unutterable as most people would prefer it to Plan A (the shit deal).TheJezziah said:Didn't watch it myself.
Left wing (and I would assume centrist but we aren't as close) twitter seemed to enjoy this bit
https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1083518686105866241
She seemed quite good, might be worth giving a go again at some point.0 -
It tells us who is worried it might be the start of a trend.....Black_Rook said:
One poll by one pollster doesn't really tell us anything.logical_song said:
But the same thing does seem to be happening nationally too -AndyJS said:Recent polling in London is interesting. It seems to show a fairly hefty swing from Labour to the LDs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#London
The most recent one has Lab 40%, Con 35%, LD 15, Greens 5%, UKIP 4%.
Changes since GE2017 would be Lab-15%, Con+2%, LD+6%, Greens+3%, UKIP+3%.
This isn't a sub-sample from a GB YouGov poll, it looks like a dedicated London survey with 2,988 respondents.
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 40% (-1)
LAB: 34% (-5)
LDEM: 10% (+3)
GRN: 4% (-)
UKIP: 4% (+1)
via @YouGov, 21 Dec - 04 Jan
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We know for sure that Donald Trump is Biff. Now where did Marty leave those Delorean keys?viewcode said:
Proof of time travel. Somebody went back in time and wrote a reference to Trump in a TV show. We're now going to kid ourselves that it was there ALL THE TIME!FrancisUrquhart said:
I am surprised nobody found that before. Imagine if they had that during the election.williamglenn said:twitter.com/_alexhirsch/status/1083140191362048000?s=21
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The Telegraph yesterday provided a handy guide to which Cabinet ministers had backed which plan Bs. It was hidden towards the end of a rather dull AEP piece so perhaps James Cleverly missed it.edmundintokyo said:
Couldn't he have said TMay would announce what would happen after the vote went down, but all the options are bad compared to just passing it? That's the truth, and it's the closest thing they have to a line. If TMay has a plan, she doesn't seem to have told anyone.Dura_Ace said:
That was a shit answer by Stupidly, but what could he possibly say? May's Plan B (#peoplesvote) is currently unutterable as most people would prefer it to Plan A (the shit deal).TheJezziah said:Didn't watch it myself.
Left wing (and I would assume centrist but we aren't as close) twitter seemed to enjoy this bit
https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1083518686105866241
She seemed quite good, might be worth giving a go again at some point.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/01/10/no-deal-brexit-table-sterling-assets-screaming-buy/0 -
There is no way Cleverly would know what May's plan B might be at this stage.TheJezziah said:
Tough question to answer no doubt, no real good answers to it and attacking the opposition is the safe approach but perhaps without implying he was going to come up with an alternative just stick to the idea that the deal is the only option.Dura_Ace said:
That was a shit answer by Stupidly, but what could he possibly say? May's Plan B (#peoplesvote) is currently unutterable as most people would prefer it to Plan A (the shit deal).TheJezziah said:Didn't watch it myself.
Left wing (and I would assume centrist but we aren't as close) twitter seemed to enjoy this bit
https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1083518686105866241
She seemed quite good, might be worth giving a go again at some point.0 -
In other news, it’s time to initiate Drought Watch. No significant rain since before Christmas. None at all this year. If things don’t change, we’re facing shortages later in the year. Should be fun on top of a No Deal Brexit.0
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We were soaked b4 Xmas.. Why do you worry so much....SouthamObserver said:In other news, it’s time to initiate Drought Watch. No significant rain since before Christmas. None at all this year. If things don’t change, we’re facing shortages later in the year. Should be fun on top of a No Deal Brexit.
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I blame BREXITSouthamObserver said:In other news, it’s time to initiate Drought Watch. No significant rain since before Christmas. None at all this year. If things don’t change, we’re facing shortages later in the year. Should be fun on top of a No Deal Brexit.
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Well of course he's not infallible, but while I've certainly seen Owen Jones make intelligent points he seems to also throw out nonsensical and blatantly partisan accusations with regularity and a total lack of self awareness. I've actually liked some of his writing but he seems to get personal quite quickly too.viewcode said:
I hate to say this, but it is about time somebody took on Andrew Neil. He is by no means the worst, but he's not infallible.FrancisUrquhart said:And wee Owen is now ranting on Twitter,
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1083522347620020225
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Overall the second half of last year was drier than average in much of England, at least. Without the December rain we’d already be in deep trouble.SquareRoot said:
We were soaked b4 Xmas.. Why do you worry so much....SouthamObserver said:In other news, it’s time to initiate Drought Watch. No significant rain since before Christmas. None at all this year. If things don’t change, we’re facing shortages later in the year. Should be fun on top of a No Deal Brexit.
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I blame the gulf stream!bigjohnowls said:
I blame BREXITSouthamObserver said:In other news, it’s time to initiate Drought Watch. No significant rain since before Christmas. None at all this year. If things don’t change, we’re facing shortages later in the year. Should be fun on top of a No Deal Brexit.
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The Spectator article is linked to here.The Times of Israel thinks it s author anti-semetic, something that usually has PB clutching its pearls.RobD said:
Not sure what's wrong with that headline. I don't think the average solider in the Wehrmacht was evil or deserved to die.FrancisUrquhart said:And wee Owen is now ranting on Twitter,
twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1083522347620020225
https://www.timesofisrael.com/respected-british-magazine-publishes-defense-of-nazi-german-troops/
Trying to whitewash Wehrmacht warcrimes, particularly on the Eastern front is a fairly frequent right wing theme in Germany.
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The only change of certain significance there is the dip in the Labour vote. The LibDems look good back in double figures, but the same happened just recently with a 10% rating followed by a drop back to 7% in the same company's next poll.logical_song said:
But the same thing does seem to be happening nationally too -AndyJS said:Recent polling in London is interesting. It seems to show a fairly hefty swing from Labour to the LDs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#London
The most recent one has Lab 40%, Con 35%, LD 15, Greens 5%, UKIP 4%.
Changes since GE2017 would be Lab-15%, Con+2%, LD+6%, Greens+3%, UKIP+3%.
This isn't a sub-sample from a GB YouGov poll, it looks like a dedicated London survey with 2,988 respondents.
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 40% (-1)
LAB: 34% (-5)
LDEM: 10% (+3)
GRN: 4% (-)
UKIP: 4% (+1)
via @YouGov, 21 Dec - 04 Jan
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The London poll does look significant. The People's Vote campaign is visible in London in a way that it isn't in the provinces - the LibDem and especially Labour membership is concentrated in London and there is a lot of leafleting and street activity going on, on top of which London's daily newspaper is actively engaged in the debate. It isn't surprising that this is putting pressure on Labour's fence sitting with it losing support in all directions including to UKIP.0 -
I saw it and thought you were trying to make some sort of unpleasant point, but chose to ignore you. I am pleased it was instead a cock up. I did that once in a press release, referring to Wes Streeting (who is openly gay) as Wes Sweeting, because I had a constituent I knew fairly well called Sweeting. The paper rang up to ask what point I was trying to score, and I had to try and explain it was simply a slip.TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
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Taki is a racist. Rod Little is a bigot. Owen Jones is a hypocrite.SouthamObserver said:
Taki and Rod Liddle are racists. Owen Jones did his cause no good at all last night.Casino_Royale said:
The whole point of the Spectator is to provide a platform for thought-provoking articles on contentious political and cultural topics that you wouldn’t find anywhere else. It makes you think whether you’re for, or against, or neither, or just think the author has an axe to grind. It can often publish articles from the opposite point of view, in response, the following week.FrancisUrquhart said:And wee Owen is now ranting on Twitter,
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1083522347620020225
Taki, and Rod Little, have zero time for any form of political correctness and like to provoke to make their points. So did Toby Young at one point, but he’s understandably dialled it back now.
It is quite typical of Owen Jones to simplify and then exaggerate, because he sees some useful political ammunition for his big target there.0 -
Hmmm....I was a Spectator subscriber for 20+ years. I did not always agree with things in it and it occasionally published some very odd things but overall it was somewhere that ideas were examined and often then challenged in the following edition. You could ignore Taki by not reading him as he was always unpleasant. I had to cancel in 2016 - under the current ownership and editorship it basically went mad.Casino_Royale said:
The whole point of the Spectator is to provide a platform for thought-provoking articles on contentious political and cultural topics that you wouldn’t find anywhere else. It makes you think whether you’re for, or against, or neither, or just think the author has an axe to grind. It can often publish articles from the opposite point of view, in response, the following week.FrancisUrquhart said:And wee Owen is now ranting on Twitter,
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1083522347620020225
Taki, and Rod Little, have zero time for any form of political correctness and like to provoke to make their points. So did Toby Young at one point, but he’s understandably dialled it back now.
It is quite typical of Owen Jones to simplify and then exaggerate, because he sees some useful political ammunition for his big target there.
At the start of the referendum you could feel Fraser Nelson wrestling with his conscience- he - a Scot-has a Swedish wife and might be a pragmatic pro european Tory in another life. I guess he wanted to keep the job so convinced himself he was doing the right thing. Having been a broad church its contributors shrank with one or two exceptions into a fairly rabid group. It slipped like the Tory party into the arms of English nationalism. Very sad as I miss the old magazine.0 -
I thought not but maybe it wasn't reported very accurately.SouthamObserver said:
The most recent poll there is a sub-set of the People’s Vote one, isn’t it?AndyJS said:Recent polling in London is interesting. It seems to show a fairly hefty swing from Labour to the LDs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#London
The most recent one has Lab 40%, Con 35%, LD 15, Greens 5%, UKIP 4%.
Changes since GE2017 would be Lab-15%, Con+2%, LD+6%, Greens+3%, UKIP+3%.
This isn't a sub-sample from a GB YouGov poll, it looks like a dedicated London survey with 2,988 respondents.0 -
Blaming a natural process rather than Brexit? Please keep this populist nonsense to yourselfSouthamObserver said:
I blame the gulf stream!bigjohnowls said:
I blame BREXITSouthamObserver said:In other news, it’s time to initiate Drought Watch. No significant rain since before Christmas. None at all this year. If things don’t change, we’re facing shortages later in the year. Should be fun on top of a No Deal Brexit.
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I feel the same. Doubtless there is a readership for an intellectual's Daily Mail, but it doesn't include me.mr-claypole said:
Hmmm....I was a Spectator subscriber for 20+ years. I did not always agree with things in it and it occasionally published some very odd things but overall it was somewhere that ideas were examined and often then challenged in the following edition. You could ignore Taki by not reading him as he was always unpleasant. I had to cancel in 2016 - under the current ownership and editorship it basically went mad.Casino_Royale said:
The whole point of the Spectator is to provide a platform for thought-provoking articles on contentious political and cultural topics that you wouldn’t find anywhere else. It makes you think whether you’re for, or against, or neither, or just think the author has an axe to grind. It can often publish articles from the opposite point of view, in response, the following week.FrancisUrquhart said:And wee Owen is now ranting on Twitter,
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1083522347620020225
Taki, and Rod Little, have zero time for any form of political correctness and like to provoke to make their points. So did Toby Young at one point, but he’s understandably dialled it back now.
It is quite typical of Owen Jones to simplify and then exaggerate, because he sees some useful political ammunition for his big target there.
At the start of the referendum you could feel Fraser Nelson wrestling with his conscience- he - a Scot-has a Swedish wife and might be a pragmatic pro european Tory in another life. I guess he wanted to keep the job so convinced himself he was doing the right thing. Having been a broad church its contributors shrank with one or two exceptions into a fairly rabid group. It slipped like the Tory party into the arms of English nationalism. Very sad as I miss the old magazine.
That list of things it published that were apparently wrong with May's deal was a classic example, turning out to contain a whole lot of fake news that they hadn't checked or questioned.0 -
Yes, I second this unfortunately. The Spectator used to feel like a broad church, I barely read it any more but I feel it has become less rational and more polemical. A damn shame.mr-claypole said:
Hmmm....I was a Spectator subscriber for 20+ years. I did not always agree with things in it and it occasionally published some very odd things but overall it was somewhere that ideas were examined and often then challenged in the following edition. You could ignore Taki by not reading him as he was always unpleasant. I had to cancel in 2016 - under the current ownership and editorship it basically went mad.Casino_Royale said:
The whole point of the Spectator is to provide a platform for thought-provoking articles on contentious political and cultural topics that you wouldn’t find anywhere else. It makes you think whether you’re for, or against, or neither, or just think the author has an axe to grind. It can often publish articles from the opposite point of view, in response, the following week.FrancisUrquhart said:And wee Owen is now ranting on Twitter,
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1083522347620020225
Taki, and Rod Little, have zero time for any form of political correctness and like to provoke to make their points. So did Toby Young at one point, but he’s understandably dialled it back now.
It is quite typical of Owen Jones to simplify and then exaggerate, because he sees some useful political ammunition for his big target there.
At the start of the referendum you could feel Fraser Nelson wrestling with his conscience- he - a Scot-has a Swedish wife and might be a pragmatic pro european Tory in another life. I guess he wanted to keep the job so convinced himself he was doing the right thing. Having been a broad church its contributors shrank with one or two exceptions into a fairly rabid group. It slipped like the Tory party into the arms of English nationalism. Very sad as I miss the old magazine.0 -
Good morning, everyone.
Saw this the other day when I was checking for the seat bands voting for May's deal. Upon checking, turns out I've backed the UK to leave on the date indicated already, at 1.7, so shan't be dipping my toe in.0 -
Pity those who make the regular Jeremy Hunt slip up!IanB2 said:
I saw it and thought you were trying to make some sort of unpleasant point, but chose to ignore you. I am pleased it was instead a cock up. I did that once in a press release, referring to Wes Streeting (who is openly gay) as Wes Sweeting, because I had a constituent I knew fairly well called Sweeting. The paper rang up to ask what point I was trying to score, and I had to try and explain it was simply a slip.TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
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I actually think it went downhill under Boris (even while readership rose). I remember hugely enjoying it in the 90s, but Boris took it all lifestyle-y.kyf_100 said:
Yes, I second this unfortunately. The Spectator used to feel like a broad church, I barely read it any more but I feel it has become less rational and more polemical. A damn shame.mr-claypole said:
Hmmm....I was a Spectator subscriber for 20+ years. I did not always agree with things in it and it occasionally published some very odd things but overall it was somewhere that ideas were examined and often then challenged in the following edition. You could ignore Taki by not reading him as he was always unpleasant. I had to cancel in 2016 - under the current ownership and editorship it basically went mad.Casino_Royale said:
The whole point of the Spectator is to provide a platform for thought-provoking articles on contentious political and cultural topics that you wouldn’t find anywhere else. It makes you think whether you’re for, or against, or neither, or just think the author has an axe to grind. It can often publish articles from the opposite point of view, in response, the following week.FrancisUrquhart said:And wee Owen is now ranting on Twitter,
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1083522347620020225
Taki, and Rod Little, have zero time for any form of political correctness and like to provoke to make their points. So did Toby Young at one point, but he’s understandably dialled it back now.
It is quite typical of Owen Jones to simplify and then exaggerate, because he sees some useful political ammunition for his big target there.
At the start of the referendum you could feel Fraser Nelson wrestling with his conscience- he - a Scot-has a Swedish wife and might be a pragmatic pro european Tory in another life. I guess he wanted to keep the job so convinced himself he was doing the right thing. Having been a broad church its contributors shrank with one or two exceptions into a fairly rabid group. It slipped like the Tory party into the arms of English nationalism. Very sad as I miss the old magazine.0 -
Rather interesting piece on the normality of life in unrecognised states, if a bit brief. It's fascinating how there's no end in sight for most of them, in such a formal age.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-465109170 -
I listen to a few podcasts, ones on the right probably more so. I actually quite enjoy the coffee house shots podcast by the spectator... which I do struggle to line up with the madness of some of the writing.0
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Morning all. Wouldn't want to turn this into a constant stream of retweets, but this is potentially big news, is it not?
https://twitter.com/doug_parr/status/10836261778504212480 -
I love Swinson's freeze-frame "WTF" at the end of that clip.TheJezziah said:Didn't watch it myself.
Left wing (and I would assume centrist but we aren't as close) twitter seemed to enjoy this bit
https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1083518686105866241
She seemed quite good, might be worth giving a go again at some point.
(Swinson seemed surprisingly good - I've often been underwhelmed by her. Thornberry was Thornberry and Cleverly wasn't Cleverly.)0 -
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/brussels-queries-nike-sweetheart-deal-tr7tvgqvx
Relevant to @Alanbrooke's interesting thread header the other day.0 -
Makes the decision not to proceed with the Swansea and Cardiff tidal barrages even more crass.....El_Capitano said:Morning all. Wouldn't want to turn this into a constant stream of retweets, but this is potentially big news, is it not?
https://twitter.com/doug_parr/status/10836261778504212480 -
Depends. If the government simply accepts that nuclear power stations cannot be financed by the private sector and provides the financing itself, then there might be little change. If not, it would have to create a new energy policy.El_Capitano said:Morning all. Wouldn't want to turn this into a constant stream of retweets, but this is potentially big news, is it not?
https://twitter.com/doug_parr/status/10836261778504212480 -
It is indeed good to see those reactions - without which we wouldn’t have had the perfectly innocent explanation.Casino_Royale said:
An innocent mistake.TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
Nice to see all those hair-trigger reactions anyway, though, as several ultra-liberal white men use it as an opportunity to publicly signal (again) how massively unracist they think they are...
As you seem predisposed mind reading, I’ll return the favour; you give the impression of being happier to see casual racism go unchallenged.
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If Labour failed to oppose Brexit the poll had the Tories the largest party in London on 37% with Labour on 30% and the LDs on 24%AndyJS said:Recent polling in London is interesting. It seems to show a fairly hefty swing from Labour to the LDs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#London
The most recent one has Lab 40%, Con 35%, LD 15, Greens 5%, UKIP 4%.
Changes since GE2017 would be Lab-15%, Con+2%, LD+6%, Greens+3%, UKIP+3%.
This isn't a sub-sample from a GB YouGov poll, it looks like a dedicated London survey with 2,988 respondents.0 -
People could simply ask in the first instance and condemn later if the answer received was unsatisfactory.Nigelb said:
It is indeed good to see those reactions - without which we wouldn’t have had the perfectly innocent explanation.Casino_Royale said:
An innocent mistake.TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
Nice to see all those hair-trigger reactions anyway, though, as several ultra-liberal white men use it as an opportunity to publicly signal (again) how massively unracist they think they are...
As you seem predisposed mind reading, I’ll return the favour; you give the impression of being happier to see casual racism go unchallenged.0 -
Has May even got any idea what her Plan B is?Pulpstar said:
There is no way Cleverly would know what May's plan B might be at this stage.TheJezziah said:
Tough question to answer no doubt, no real good answers to it and attacking the opposition is the safe approach but perhaps without implying he was going to come up with an alternative just stick to the idea that the deal is the only option.Dura_Ace said:
That was a shit answer by Stupidly, but what could he possibly say? May's Plan B (#peoplesvote) is currently unutterable as most people would prefer it to Plan A (the shit deal).TheJezziah said:Didn't watch it myself.
Left wing (and I would assume centrist but we aren't as close) twitter seemed to enjoy this bit
https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1083518686105866241
She seemed quite good, might be worth giving a go again at some point.
She seems to be Micawberism writ large.....0 -
I noticed that earlier, as well.Cyclefree said:https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/brussels-queries-nike-sweetheart-deal-tr7tvgqvx
Relevant to @Alanbrooke's interesting thread header the other day.
It appears as though the EU state aid rules might be a fruitful tool for challenging multinational tax avoidance. Though there is perhaps something of a perverse incentive; the country which provided Apple with the means of offshoring profits (Ireland) was the one to benefit, to the tune of $15bn, from the EU tax case.
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Interesting to see that Trans-Dniester, through Moldova, has free trade with the EU.kle4 said:Rather interesting piece on the normality of life in unrecognised states, if a bit brief. It's fascinating how there's no end in sight for most of them, in such a formal age.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46510917
Someone suggested the UK should become part of the Republic of Ireland as a solution to the Brexit problem. Maybe we could become part of Trans-Dniester instead.0 -
Another u-turn from this increasingly incompetent government.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-468273010 -
Also it was challenged already so not doing so as well is hardly seeing casual racism go unchallengedOblitusSumMe said:
People could simply ask in the first instance and condemn later if the answer received was unsatisfactory.Nigelb said:
It is indeed good to see those reactions - without which we wouldn’t have had the perfectly innocent explanation.Casino_Royale said:
An innocent mistake.TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
Nice to see all those hair-trigger reactions anyway, though, as several ultra-liberal white men use it as an opportunity to publicly signal (again) how massively unracist they think they are...
As you seem predisposed mind reading, I’ll return the favour; you give the impression of being happier to see casual racism go unchallenged.
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Indeed they could - but this is Mike’s site, and if he wants to send an uncompromising message in challenging perceived racism, then I can’t find much enthusiasm for criticising him.OblitusSumMe said:
People could simply ask in the first instance and condemn later if the answer received was unsatisfactory.Nigelb said:
It is indeed good to see those reactions - without which we wouldn’t have had the perfectly innocent explanation.Casino_Royale said:
An innocent mistake.TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
Nice to see all those hair-trigger reactions anyway, though, as several ultra-liberal white men use it as an opportunity to publicly signal (again) how massively unracist they think they are...
As you seem predisposed mind reading, I’ll return the favour; you give the impression of being happier to see casual racism go unchallenged.
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Only on children born before 2017 when the policy came in so it is not retrospective, the 2 child benefits cap remains for those born after the policy was introducedAndyJS said:Another u-turn from this increasingly incompetent government.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-468273010 -
Lol - especially if you don't like what it says.Black_Rook said:
One poll by one pollster doesn't really tell us anything.logical_song said:
But the same thing does seem to be happening nationally too -AndyJS said:Recent polling in London is interesting. It seems to show a fairly hefty swing from Labour to the LDs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#London
The most recent one has Lab 40%, Con 35%, LD 15, Greens 5%, UKIP 4%.
Changes since GE2017 would be Lab-15%, Con+2%, LD+6%, Greens+3%, UKIP+3%.
This isn't a sub-sample from a GB YouGov poll, it looks like a dedicated London survey with 2,988 respondents.
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 40% (-1)
LAB: 34% (-5)
LDEM: 10% (+3)
GRN: 4% (-)
UKIP: 4% (+1)
via @YouGov, 21 Dec - 04 Jan
Chgs. w/ 17 Dec0 -
O/T
"Yellow vests knock out 60% of all speed cameras in France"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-468224720 -
I am eternally grateful to Mike for the work he does on this site and my comment was not a criticism of any individual.Nigelb said:
Indeed they could - but this is Mike’s site, and if he wants to send an uncompromising message in challenging perceived racism, then I can’t find much enthusiasm for criticising him.OblitusSumMe said:
People could simply ask in the first instance and condemn later if the answer received was unsatisfactory.Nigelb said:
It is indeed good to see those reactions - without which we wouldn’t have had the perfectly innocent explanation.Casino_Royale said:
An innocent mistake.TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
Nice to see all those hair-trigger reactions anyway, though, as several ultra-liberal white men use it as an opportunity to publicly signal (again) how massively unracist they think they are...
As you seem predisposed mind reading, I’ll return the favour; you give the impression of being happier to see casual racism go unchallenged.0 -
Somebody did ask, and my first answer ("I have no idea") wasn't much help.OblitusSumMe said:
People could simply ask in the first instance and condemn later if the answer received was unsatisfactory.Nigelb said:
It is indeed good to see those reactions - without which we wouldn’t have had the perfectly innocent explanation.Casino_Royale said:
An innocent mistake.TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
Nice to see all those hair-trigger reactions anyway, though, as several ultra-liberal white men use it as an opportunity to publicly signal (again) how massively unracist they think they are...
As you seem predisposed mind reading, I’ll return the favour; you give the impression of being happier to see casual racism go unchallenged.0 -
I once posted Carol Shaw as Carol Shag. These things happen.IanB2 said:
I saw it and thought you were trying to make some sort of unpleasant point, but chose to ignore you. I am pleased it was instead a cock up. I did that once in a press release, referring to Wes Streeting (who is openly gay) as Wes Sweeting, because I had a constituent I knew fairly well called Sweeting. The paper rang up to ask what point I was trying to score, and I had to try and explain it was simply a slip.TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
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Fair enough. My beef was with Casino_Royale anyway.OblitusSumMe said:
I am eternally grateful to Mike for the work he does on this site and my comment was not a criticism of any individual.Nigelb said:
Indeed they could - but this is Mike’s site, and if he wants to send an uncompromising message in challenging perceived racism, then I can’t find much enthusiasm for criticising him.OblitusSumMe said:
People could simply ask in the first instance and condemn later if the answer received was unsatisfactory.Nigelb said:
It is indeed good to see those reactions - without which we wouldn’t have had the perfectly innocent explanation.Casino_Royale said:
An innocent mistake.TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
Nice to see all those hair-trigger reactions anyway, though, as several ultra-liberal white men use it as an opportunity to publicly signal (again) how massively unracist they think they are...
As you seem predisposed mind reading, I’ll return the favour; you give the impression of being happier to see casual racism go unchallenged.
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That would be fun. London represented by the party of Brexit under FPTP......HYUFD said:
If Labour failed to oppose Brexit the poll had the Tories the largest party in London on 37% with Labour on 30% and the LDs on 24%AndyJS said:Recent polling in London is interesting. It seems to show a fairly hefty swing from Labour to the LDs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#London
The most recent one has Lab 40%, Con 35%, LD 15, Greens 5%, UKIP 4%.
Changes since GE2017 would be Lab-15%, Con+2%, LD+6%, Greens+3%, UKIP+3%.
This isn't a sub-sample from a GB YouGov poll, it looks like a dedicated London survey with 2,988 respondents.0 -
Same here - I liked some of it but had to give up my subscription after one too many UKIP-lite, bigoted, small-minded Little Englander articles and editorials.mr-claypole said:
Hmmm....I was a Spectator subscriber for 20+ years. I did not always agree with things in it and it occasionally published some very odd things but overall it was somewhere that ideas were examined and often then challenged in the following edition. You could ignore Taki by not reading him as he was always unpleasant. I had to cancel in 2016 - under the current ownership and editorship it basically went mad.Casino_Royale said:
The whole point of the Spectator is to provide a platform for thought-provoking articles on contentious political and cultural topics that you wouldn’t find anywhere else. It makes you think whether you’re for, or against, or neither, or just think the author has an axe to grind. It can often publish articles from the opposite point of view, in response, the following week.FrancisUrquhart said:And wee Owen is now ranting on Twitter,
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1083522347620020225
Taki, and Rod Little, have zero time for any form of political correctness and like to provoke to make their points. So did Toby Young at one point, but he’s understandably dialled it back now.
It is quite typical of Owen Jones to simplify and then exaggerate, because he sees some useful political ammunition for his big target there.
At the start of the referendum you could feel Fraser Nelson wrestling with his conscience- he - a Scot-has a Swedish wife and might be a pragmatic pro european Tory in another life. I guess he wanted to keep the job so convinced himself he was doing the right thing. Having been a broad church its contributors shrank with one or two exceptions into a fairly rabid group. It slipped like the Tory party into the arms of English nationalism. Very sad as I miss the old magazine.0 -
Good to know that there is still an extensive outrage bus service......Nigelb said:
Indeed they could - but this is Mike’s site, and if he wants to send an uncompromising message in challenging perceived racism, then I can’t find much enthusiasm for criticising him.OblitusSumMe said:
People could simply ask in the first instance and condemn later if the answer received was unsatisfactory.Nigelb said:
It is indeed good to see those reactions - without which we wouldn’t have had the perfectly innocent explanation.Casino_Royale said:
An innocent mistake.TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
Nice to see all those hair-trigger reactions anyway, though, as several ultra-liberal white men use it as an opportunity to publicly signal (again) how massively unracist they think they are...
As you seem predisposed mind reading, I’ll return the favour; you give the impression of being happier to see casual racism go unchallenged.0 -
Indeed it does.MarqueeMark said:
Makes the decision not to proceed with the Swansea and Cardiff tidal barrages even more crass.....El_Capitano said:Morning all. Wouldn't want to turn this into a constant stream of retweets, but this is potentially big news, is it not?
https://twitter.com/doug_parr/status/1083626177850421248
Still, sometime soon one of our governments will finally realise we need to invest seriously in tidal power - reliable, predictable, plentiful and perpetual.0 -
People might do better not to intervene in disputes they didn't see the start of... Ooops.TrèsDifficile said:
Somebody did ask, and my first answer ("I have no idea") wasn't much help.OblitusSumMe said:
People could simply ask in the first instance and condemn later if the answer received was unsatisfactory.Nigelb said:
It is indeed good to see those reactions - without which we wouldn’t have had the perfectly innocent explanation.Casino_Royale said:
An innocent mistake.TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
Nice to see all those hair-trigger reactions anyway, though, as several ultra-liberal white men use it as an opportunity to publicly signal (again) how massively unracist they think they are...
As you seem predisposed mind reading, I’ll return the favour; you give the impression of being happier to see casual racism go unchallenged.0 -
I strongly disagree!OblitusSumMe said:
People might do better not to intervene in disputes they didn't see the start of... Ooops.TrèsDifficile said:
Somebody did ask, and my first answer ("I have no idea") wasn't much help.OblitusSumMe said:
People could simply ask in the first instance and condemn later if the answer received was unsatisfactory.Nigelb said:
It is indeed good to see those reactions - without which we wouldn’t have had the perfectly innocent explanation.Casino_Royale said:
An innocent mistake.TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
Nice to see all those hair-trigger reactions anyway, though, as several ultra-liberal white men use it as an opportunity to publicly signal (again) how massively unracist they think they are...
As you seem predisposed mind reading, I’ll return the favour; you give the impression of being happier to see casual racism go unchallenged.
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Wouldn't want you getting all outraged and mistaken for a gammon. That would never do....TOPPING said:
Same here - I liked some of it but had to give up my subscription after one too many UKIP-lite, bigoted, small-minded Little Englander articles and editorials.mr-claypole said:
Hmmm....I was a Spectator subscriber for 20+ years. I did not always agree with things in it and it occasionally published some very odd things but overall it was somewhere that ideas were examined and often then challenged in the following edition. You could ignore Taki by not reading him as he was always unpleasant. I had to cancel in 2016 - under the current ownership and editorship it basically went mad.Casino_Royale said:
The whole point of the Spectator is to provide a platform for thought-provoking articles on contentious political and cultural topics that you wouldn’t find anywhere else. It makes you think whether you’re for, or against, or neither, or just think the author has an axe to grind. It can often publish articles from the opposite point of view, in response, the following week.FrancisUrquhart said:And wee Owen is now ranting on Twitter,
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1083522347620020225
Taki, and Rod Little, have zero time for any form of political correctness and like to provoke to make their points. So did Toby Young at one point, but he’s understandably dialled it back now.
It is quite typical of Owen Jones to simplify and then exaggerate, because he sees some useful political ammunition for his big target there.
At the start of the referendum you could feel Fraser Nelson wrestling with his conscience- he - a Scot-has a Swedish wife and might be a pragmatic pro european Tory in another life. I guess he wanted to keep the job so convinced himself he was doing the right thing. Having been a broad church its contributors shrank with one or two exceptions into a fairly rabid group. It slipped like the Tory party into the arms of English nationalism. Very sad as I miss the old magazine.0 -
And if it goes wrong you have tomorrow's tide, rather than Chernobyl-by-the-Sea.......Benpointer said:
Indeed it does.MarqueeMark said:
Makes the decision not to proceed with the Swansea and Cardiff tidal barrages even more crass.....El_Capitano said:Morning all. Wouldn't want to turn this into a constant stream of retweets, but this is potentially big news, is it not?
https://twitter.com/doug_parr/status/1083626177850421248
Still, sometime soon one of our governments will finally realise we need to invest seriously in tidal power - reliable, predictable, plentiful and perpetual.0 -
I see Iain Dale has (very grudgingly ) shifted in favour of May's deal.0
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The loss to the House of Commons from Zac Goldsmith's departure would be...Casino_Royale said:
The Tories might regain a couple of seats in London on that.AndyJS said:Recent polling in London is interesting. It seems to show a fairly hefty swing from Labour to the LDs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#London
The most recent one has Lab 40%, Con 35%, LD 15, Greens 5%, UKIP 4%.
Changes since GE2017 would be Lab-15%, Con+2%, LD+6%, Greens+3%, UKIP+3%.
This isn't a sub-sample from a GB YouGov poll, it looks like a dedicated London survey with 2,988 respondents.
But the LDs would also regain Richmond.
...minimal
(I apologise to all PBers. I am nice about almost everyone. Except Zac Goldsmith.)0 -
If gammon doesn't have a slice of pineapple on it I'm out.MarqueeMark said:
Wouldn't want you getting all outraged and mistaken for a gammon. That would never do....TOPPING said:
Same here - I liked some of it but had to give up my subscription after one too many UKIP-lite, bigoted, small-minded Little Englander articles and editorials.mr-claypole said:
Hmmm....I was a Spectator subscriber for 20+ years. I did not always agree with things in it and it occasionally published some very odd things but overall it was somewhere that ideas were examined and often then challenged in the following edition. You could ignore Taki by not reading him as he was always unpleasant. I had to cancel in 2016 - under the current ownership and editorship it basically went mad.Casino_Royale said:
The whole point of the Spectator is to provide a platform for thought-provoking articles on contentious political and cultural topics that you wouldn’t find anywhere else. It makes you think whether you’re for, or against, or neither, or just think the author has an axe to grind. It can often publish articles from the opposite point of view, in response, the following week.FrancisUrquhart said:And wee Owen is now ranting on Twitter,
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1083522347620020225
Taki, and Rod Little, have zero time for any form of political correctness and like to provoke to make their points. So did Toby Young at one point, but he’s understandably dialled it back now.
It is quite typical of Owen Jones to simplify and then exaggerate, because he sees some useful political ammunition for his big target there.
At the start of the referendum you could feel Fraser Nelson wrestling with his conscience- he - a Scot-has a Swedish wife and might be a pragmatic pro european Tory in another life. I guess he wanted to keep the job so convinced himself he was doing the right thing. Having been a broad church its contributors shrank with one or two exceptions into a fairly rabid group. It slipped like the Tory party into the arms of English nationalism. Very sad as I miss the old magazine.0 -
I once received a legal letter that ended "I look forward to herring from you."Sean_F said:
I once posted Carol Shaw as Carol Shag. These things happen.IanB2 said:
I saw it and thought you were trying to make some sort of unpleasant point, but chose to ignore you. I am pleased it was instead a cock up. I did that once in a press release, referring to Wes Streeting (who is openly gay) as Wes Sweeting, because I had a constituent I knew fairly well called Sweeting. The paper rang up to ask what point I was trying to score, and I had to try and explain it was simply a slip.TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
I sent them a tin of pilchards..... "Will this do?"0 -
Why would you get a Labour BME officer and a LibDem MP confused - especially as it was in the context of a comparison with Jo Swinson?TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
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Indeed. An utterly sanctimonious and unnecessary intervention from Casino this morning.Nigelb said:
It is indeed good to see those reactions - without which we wouldn’t have had the perfectly innocent explanation.Casino_Royale said:
An innocent mistake.TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
Nice to see all those hair-trigger reactions anyway, though, as several ultra-liberal white men use it as an opportunity to publicly signal (again) how massively unracist they think they are...
As you seem predisposed mind reading, I’ll return the favour; you give the impression of being happier to see casual racism go unchallenged.0 -
He is a total balloon but then so is Owenviewcode said:
I hate to say this, but it is about time somebody took on Andrew Neil. He is by no means the worst, but he's not infallible.FrancisUrquhart said:And wee Owen is now ranting on Twitter,
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/10835223476200202250 -
If it's May's Shit Deal or no Brexit, it's May's Shit Deal. Very grudgingly is the best it could ever deserve.Sean_F said:I see Iain Dale has (very grudgingly ) shifted in favour of May's deal.
So pass May's Deal. Then boot her out - and install a leader pledged to walking away from the Treaty at the first sign of bad faith by the EU. And this time, let's have someone who will bloody plan for that as an outcome....
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A good point from Roger Smithson.rcs1000 said:
Why would you get a Labour BME officer and a LibDem MP confused - especially as it was in the context of a comparison with Jo Swinson?TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
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It was late. He was tired?rcs1000 said:
Why would you get a Labour BME officer and a LibDem MP confused - especially as it was in the context of a comparison with Jo Swinson?TrèsDifficile said:
It is rather embarrassing. Got her confused with my real life facebook friend Layla Mahmood who works as a Labour BME officer in Westminster, and whose name I see rather more often than Ms Moran's.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. Shameful and totally ignorantYellow_Submarine said:
Faux islamifying Layla Moran's name, who is of palestinian christian decent, is hardly subtle. You should be ashamed of yourself.TrèsDifficile said:Jo Swinson is so much better than Layla Mahmood
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That would depend on how the votes fall. The LibDem vote in such a scenario is likely to be concentrated in SW London against the Tories and Inner London against Labour, where the Tories don't show. There probably wouldn't be so much of an uptick in the rest of Outer London where contests are Tory v Labour.MarqueeMark said:
That would be fun. London represented by the party of Brexit under FPTP......HYUFD said:
If Labour failed to oppose Brexit the poll had the Tories the largest party in London on 37% with Labour on 30% and the LDs on 24%AndyJS said:Recent polling in London is interesting. It seems to show a fairly hefty swing from Labour to the LDs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#London
The most recent one has Lab 40%, Con 35%, LD 15, Greens 5%, UKIP 4%.
Changes since GE2017 would be Lab-15%, Con+2%, LD+6%, Greens+3%, UKIP+3%.
This isn't a sub-sample from a GB YouGov poll, it looks like a dedicated London survey with 2,988 respondents.0
