grabcocque said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

grabcocque said:

This is what happens when people stop punching the far right.

Ah, incitement to violence. A typical response from the left.

I'm not of the left. Classical liberal viewpoint, that the paradox of tolerance is real. The only way to ensure a tolerant society is to be aggressively intolerant of intolerance.

The reason the far right now operate with impunity is precisely because we stopped punching them.

But as I say we have seen exactly the same behaviour from the left for decades and your calls for action have been notably absent. where were your protests over the way Rees-Mogg was abused outside his own home?

tlg86 said:

JosiasJessop said:

TrèsDifficile said:

Did Soubry get 'jostled'?

I didn't like the way that she was harassed by those idiots yesterday, but I'm pretty sure I didn't see any physical contact. Some numpty in a red cap tried to block her path at the Commons entrance, but he got jostled out of the way by others.

If the Met do decide that a crime was committed just due to the verbal abuse, then I hope there are plenty of spare cells in Manchester for the end of September.

There is another issue: the safety of MPs and their staff. We recently had an MP assassinated, and a terrorist attack outside parliament. The guys protesting are nutters, and one might have a knife or other weapon - or someone with evil intent might use them as cover.

I'd have expected the police to have reacted in a slightly stronger manner than they did. Or at all.

Isn't the issue that the police in and around Parliament are there for security? Are they in a position to start arresting people for gobbing off at politicians? Or do they have to stay in position to deal with a potential terrorist attack?

MPs would probably be better to call the police and get a regular Met copper down to sort them out.

They are quick enough to run round to people's houses when some clown says they were offended on twitter.

TOPPING said:

Slackbladder said:

grabcocque said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

grabcocque said:

This is what happens when people stop punching the far right.

Like this?

German far-right politician Frank Magnitz has been beaten up and severely injured in an attack seen by police as politically motivated.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46792556

Sadly, he'll probably survive.

and boom, your moral authority just took a break and is currently enjoying a long holiday in Fiji.

Looking for Fiji Water Girl, no doubt.

I have to say given the eco virtual signalling that hollywood like to do I was surprised to see they would have anything to do with that company. I was under the impression that Fiji water was on the naughty list due to extracting a lot of water under a pretty unfair deal to the local population. And how can it ever be justified by your save the planet greenie celebs to buy water that was extracted 1000s of miles away, bottle it and ship it to idiots willing to pay £3 for a tiny bottle.

grabcocque said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

grabcocque said:

This is what happens when people stop punching the far right.

Ah, incitement to violence. A typical response from the left.

I'm not of the left. Classical liberal viewpoint, that the paradox of tolerance is real. The only way to ensure a tolerant society is to be aggressively intolerant of intolerance.

The reason the far right now operate with impunity is precisely because we stopped punching them.

I too am of the classical liberal persuasion but I do not recognise your call to violence nor your hypocrisy as being characteristics of that tendency.

Richard_Tyndall said:

grabcocque said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

grabcocque said:

This is what happens when people stop punching the far right.

Ah, incitement to violence. A typical response from the left.

I'm not of the left. Classical liberal viewpoint, that the paradox of tolerance is real. The only way to ensure a tolerant society is to be aggressively intolerant of intolerance.

The reason the far right now operate with impunity is precisely because we stopped punching them.

I too am of the classical liberal persuasion but I do not recognise your call to violence nor your hypocrisy as being characteristics of that tendency.

Richard sometimes violence is needed and, IMO, when it is it should be directed against the baddies.

kle4 said:

Sean_F said:

SouthamObserver said:

* Traitor
* Nazi
* Enemy of the people
There is no difference. Each is violent, intimidatory and designed to trigger the same emotion: hate. The response of some haters will be violent, even murderous. Anyone who uses or condones such terms owns what happens next.

It is also a fact that far left mobs have been gobbing at people they do not like, and shouting in their faces, for years. They behave in exactly the same ways as the right wing scum we saw yesterday. If you do not condemn it all, you are a hypocrite. No ifs, no buts.

Agreed. This has been going on for decades.

One reason I am surprised there seemed such a reaction yesterday, but hopefully that will be a good thing.

Wrong kind of protesters displaying bullying behaviour.

grabcocque said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

grabcocque said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

grabcocque said:

This is what happens when people stop punching the far right.

Ah, incitement to violence. A typical response from the left.

I'm not of the left. Classical liberal viewpoint, that the paradox of tolerance is real. The only way to ensure a tolerant society is to be aggressively intolerant of intolerance.

The reason the far right now operate with impunity is precisely because we stopped punching them.

I too am of the classical liberal persuasion but I do not recognise your call to violence nor your hypocrisy as being characteristics of that tendency.

Okay, here's a quick 101 in liberal philosophy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Being tolerant of intolerance encourages the spread of intolerance. As we are seeing in the UK right now. We have tolerated the far right, and they have infiltrated our public spaces, spread hatred and division, and we stood by and allowed it to happen, we even encouraged people to "listen" and let them "air their legitimate grievances".

This is where tolerance of intolerance leads.

The response, of course, is aggressive intolerance of the intolerant. Punching Nazis is always and everywhere a moral imperative.

It's similar to how centrists have snivelled and apologised for the last decade and now wonder why they're no longer popular. They've yet to meet a political position which they aren't brimming with enthusiasm to compromise with, and wonder why they're not achieving their political goals.

It is becoming more likely we will not leave at end March. The betting markets are beginning to reflect this. It is now 8/5 on us leaving by this date and a coin toss whether May goes first or Brexit occurs.

If we assume staying in power is the aim of May then a delay is basically the best course for her. It avoids a motion of no confidence. Once the delay starts then what triggers a restart?

Proposals to bar students without three Ds at A-level would hit courses such as nursing and ‘strike at heart of social mobility’

The ideas have been leaked from the prime minister’s review of post-18 education, chaired by Philip Augar, a former equities broker, which is expected to report next month. One idea would stop young people qualifying for a loan if they didn’t get three Ds at A-level.

Last year nearly 8,000 UK 18-year-olds were accepted to study at university with 3Ds or lower, according to new data released by the admissions service Ucas last month. Universities say these applicants are much more likely to be from poorer families.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/jan/08/university-chiefs-angry-elitish-student-loan-plans

It is just me, or it is not ever so slightly concerning that 3 Ds is enough to get you on a nursing course in the first place! And social mobility, if you can't get 3 Ds, should you be going to uni full time regardless of where you come from?

grabcocque said:

Alanbrooke said:

TOPPING said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

grabcocque said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

grabcocque said:

This is what happens when people stop punching the far right.

Ah, incitement to violence. A typical response from the left.

I'm not of the left. Classical liberal viewpoint, that the paradox of tolerance is real. The only way to ensure a tolerant society is to be aggressively intolerant of intolerance.

The reason the far right now operate with impunity is precisely because we stopped punching them.

I too am of the classical liberal persuasion but I do not recognise your call to violence nor your hypocrisy as being characteristics of that tendency.

Richard sometimes violence is needed and, IMO, when it is it should be directed against the baddies.

well theres a sudden change in british political thinking

normally we dont do baddies but people we dont think will fight back

If I saw one of these c*nts speaking treating a woman they way they did, I doubt I'd be standing around hand-wringing about it and tweeting mealy-mouthed equivocations.

If we were one iota of the society we were during the 1940s, those people would have had the shit kicked out of them roundly the aggressors would be national heroes for the ages.

I very much doubt that

youre sat in your comfy chair typing not tramping the streets in your Doc Martens

and as for the intolerance of the intolerant well I dont see much from you on Soviet communism which murdered more people than the nazis or the nazis modern heirs the islamo-facists,

as I said we just like to pick on people who we think wont fight back

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Proposals to bar students without three Ds at A-level would hit courses such as nursing and ‘strike at heart of social mobility’

The ideas have been leaked from the prime minister’s review of post-18 education, chaired by Philip Augar, a former equities broker, which is expected to report next month. One idea would stop young people qualifying for a loan if they didn’t get three Ds at A-level.

Last year nearly 8,000 UK 18-year-olds were accepted to study at university with 3Ds or lower, according to new data released by the admissions service Ucas last month. Universities say these applicants are much more likely to be from poorer families.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/jan/08/university-chiefs-angry-elitish-student-loan-plans

It is just me, or it is not ever so slightly concerning that 3 Ds is enough to get you on a nursing course in the first place! And social mobility, if you can't get 3 Ds, should you be going to uni full time regardless of where you come from?

I agree.

3Ds means you should be working at McDonalds or getting a place at Oxford.

do Oxford go that high ?

@grabcocque - you know where they are, why don't you go down there now and show them what you're made of.

hamiltonace said:

It is becoming more likely we will not leave at end March. The betting markets are beginning to reflect this. It is now 8/5 on us leaving by this date and a coin toss whether May goes first or Brexit occurs.

If we assume staying in power is the aim of May then a delay is basically the best course for her. It avoids a motion of no confidence. Once the delay starts then what triggers a restart?

Er, what is the point of more delay? How does that deliver Brexit?

If you're the PM, No Deal Brexit means Brexit.

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Proposals to bar students without three Ds at A-level would hit courses such as nursing and ‘strike at heart of social mobility’

The ideas have been leaked from the prime minister’s review of post-18 education, chaired by Philip Augar, a former equities broker, which is expected to report next month. One idea would stop young people qualifying for a loan if they didn’t get three Ds at A-level.

Last year nearly 8,000 UK 18-year-olds were accepted to study at university with 3Ds or lower, according to new data released by the admissions service Ucas last month. Universities say these applicants are much more likely to be from poorer families.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/jan/08/university-chiefs-angry-elitish-student-loan-plans

It is just me, or it is not ever so slightly concerning that 3 Ds is enough to get you on a nursing course in the first place! And social mobility, if you can't get 3 Ds, should you be going to uni full time regardless of where you come from?

I agree.

3Ds means you should be working at McDonalds or getting a place at Oxford.

I don't have a degree, and think that those who sneer at people without degrees or poor qualifications should go and work in their natural habitat, the sewers.

Except those who buy Apple products. They are, naturally, excellent lads and lasses.

CarlottaVance said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Proposals to bar students without three Ds at A-level would hit courses such as nursing and ‘strike at heart of social mobility’

The ideas have been leaked from the prime minister’s review of post-18 education, chaired by Philip Augar, a former equities broker, which is expected to report next month. One idea would stop young people qualifying for a loan if they didn’t get three Ds at A-level.

Last year nearly 8,000 UK 18-year-olds were accepted to study at university with 3Ds or lower, according to new data released by the admissions service Ucas last month. Universities say these applicants are much more likely to be from poorer families.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/jan/08/university-chiefs-angry-elitish-student-loan-plans

It is just me, or it is not ever so slightly concerning that 3 Ds is enough to get you on a nursing course in the first place! And social mobility, if you can't get 3 Ds, should you be going to uni full time regardless of where you come from?

I agree.

3Ds means you should be working at McDonalds or getting a place at Oxford.

do Oxford go that high ?

They only asked me for 2Es....

Drug dealing now as well as head propaganda spreader.

Stereotomy said:

It's similar to how centrists have snivelled and apologised for the last decade and now wonder why they're no longer popular. They've yet to meet a political position which they aren't brimming with enthusiasm to compromise with, and wonder why they're not achieving their political goals.

Centrists, as you call them, have this thing called freedom which they think is a jolly good thing. Freedom means Freedom of Speech, Expression and Assembly but it has been conflated with the Right to Offend and the Right to be Offended.

The intolerant have used these as a shield behind which they can espouse their views and, if challenged, their response is "it's my right" or "we have freedom of speech so I can say what I like". In other societies where such freedoms are more restricted, there is no right to criticise a leader or a member of the Government or the Government in general. The coming of Twitter and Facebook has simply broadened the platform for the intolerant and unfortunately too many have responded to intolerance with their own intolerance which has poured petrol on a perfectly good fire.

The cost of Freedom is what we see - the intolerant, using the rights and freedoms of our society, exercising that freedom. No one is snivelling or brimming with compromise as you put it - it's the price those supporting freedom have to pay to maintain that freedom.

The problem with Freedom TO is that it's the wrong word - we should be much more interested in Freedom FROM whether that be poverty, ignorance, corruption, oppression, harassment or whatever. We've spent so long eulogising the right of the individual to be heard we've forgotten about those from whom we never hear.

That is where I part company with classical liberals - the overemphasis on the individual at the expense of the disadvantaged. For liberals in the past, educating and improving the lives of others was the paramount concern - yes, there was an ulterior motive in improving the profitability of their businesses but the wiser heads recognised the philanthropic benefit.

JosiasJessop said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Proposals to bar students without three Ds at A-level would hit courses such as nursing and ‘strike at heart of social mobility’

The ideas have been leaked from the prime minister’s review of post-18 education, chaired by Philip Augar, a former equities broker, which is expected to report next month. One idea would stop young people qualifying for a loan if they didn’t get three Ds at A-level.

Last year nearly 8,000 UK 18-year-olds were accepted to study at university with 3Ds or lower, according to new data released by the admissions service Ucas last month. Universities say these applicants are much more likely to be from poorer families.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/jan/08/university-chiefs-angry-elitish-student-loan-plans

It is just me, or it is not ever so slightly concerning that 3 Ds is enough to get you on a nursing course in the first place! And social mobility, if you can't get 3 Ds, should you be going to uni full time regardless of where you come from?

I agree.

3Ds means you should be working at McDonalds or getting a place at Oxford.

I don't have a degree, and think that those who sneer at people without degrees or poor qualifications should go and work in their natural habitat, the sewers.

Except those who buy Apple products. They are, naturally, excellent lads and lasses.

Quite right. I tend to notice an inverse relationship between a poster's self-proclaimed academic attainments and the quality of his or her outpourings.

Richard_Tyndall said:

grabcocque said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

grabcocque said:

This is what happens when people stop punching the far right.

Ah, incitement to violence. A typical response from the left.

I'm not of the left. Classical liberal viewpoint, that the paradox of tolerance is real. The only way to ensure a tolerant society is to be aggressively intolerant of intolerance.

The reason the far right now operate with impunity is precisely because we stopped punching them.

But as I say we have seen exactly the same behaviour from the left for decades and your calls for action have been notably absent. where were your protests over the way Rees-Mogg was abused outside his own home?

Prescisely. We see this kind of behaviour every year at the Tory party conference where MPs and delegates are heckled and abused (and sometimes physically attacked with eggs etc) as they arrive and leave but it's never made into such an issue - presumably because the perpeprators are from the fascist left.

And, of course, Lab's John McDonell has actively encouraged this behaviour as well calling for Esther McVey to be hung.

malcolmg said:

CarlottaVance said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Proposals to bar students without three Ds at A-level would hit courses such as nursing and ‘strike at heart of social mobility’

The ideas have been leaked from the prime minister’s review of post-18 education, chaired by Philip Augar, a former equities broker, which is expected to report next month. One idea would stop young people qualifying for a loan if they didn’t get three Ds at A-level.

Last year nearly 8,000 UK 18-year-olds were accepted to study at university with 3Ds or lower, according to new data released by the admissions service Ucas last month. Universities say these applicants are much more likely to be from poorer families.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/jan/08/university-chiefs-angry-elitish-student-loan-plans

It is just me, or it is not ever so slightly concerning that 3 Ds is enough to get you on a nursing course in the first place! And social mobility, if you can't get 3 Ds, should you be going to uni full time regardless of where you come from?

I agree.

3Ds means you should be working at McDonalds or getting a place at Oxford.

do Oxford go that high ?

They only asked me for 2Es....

Drug dealing now as well as head propaganda spreader.

Very droll.....

Poor Nicola, eh?

But then Eck's not out of the woods yet.....

https://twitter.com/BrianSpanner1/status/1082608370803195910

JosiasJessop said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Proposals to bar students without three Ds at A-level would hit courses such as nursing and ‘strike at heart of social mobility’

The ideas have been leaked from the prime minister’s review of post-18 education, chaired by Philip Augar, a former equities broker, which is expected to report next month. One idea would stop young people qualifying for a loan if they didn’t get three Ds at A-level.

Last year nearly 8,000 UK 18-year-olds were accepted to study at university with 3Ds or lower, according to new data released by the admissions service Ucas last month. Universities say these applicants are much more likely to be from poorer families.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/jan/08/university-chiefs-angry-elitish-student-loan-plans

It is just me, or it is not ever so slightly concerning that 3 Ds is enough to get you on a nursing course in the first place! And social mobility, if you can't get 3 Ds, should you be going to uni full time regardless of where you come from?

I agree.

3Ds means you should be working at McDonalds or getting a place at Oxford.

I don't have a degree, and think that those who sneer at people without degrees or poor qualifications should go and work in their natural habitat, the sewers.

Except those who buy Apple products. They are, naturally, excellent lads and lasses.

You see you were spot on until you mentioned Apple products. Now I doubt your sanity

JosiasJessop said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Proposals to bar students without three Ds at A-level would hit courses such as nursing and ‘strike at heart of social mobility’

The ideas have been leaked from the prime minister’s review of post-18 education, chaired by Philip Augar, a former equities broker, which is expected to report next month. One idea would stop young people qualifying for a loan if they didn’t get three Ds at A-level.

Last year nearly 8,000 UK 18-year-olds were accepted to study at university with 3Ds or lower, according to new data released by the admissions service Ucas last month. Universities say these applicants are much more likely to be from poorer families.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/jan/08/university-chiefs-angry-elitish-student-loan-plans

It is just me, or it is not ever so slightly concerning that 3 Ds is enough to get you on a nursing course in the first place! And social mobility, if you can't get 3 Ds, should you be going to uni full time regardless of where you come from?

I agree.

3Ds means you should be working at McDonalds or getting a place at Oxford.

I don't have a degree, and think that those who sneer at people without degrees or poor qualifications should go and work in their natural habitat, the sewers.

Except those who buy Apple products. They are, naturally, excellent lads and lasses.

They're efforts would certainly be appreciated in the West Country.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1082623651982266368

Wtf have the wurzels been eating?

grabcocque said:

Alanbrooke said:

TOPPING said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

grabcocque said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

grabcocque said:

This is what happens when people stop punching the far right.

Ah, incitement to violence. A typical response from the left.

I'm not of the left. Classical liberal viewpoint, that the paradox of tolerance is real. The only way to ensure a tolerant society is to be aggressively intolerant of intolerance.

The reason the far right now operate with impunity is precisely because we stopped punching them.

I too am of the classical liberal persuasion but I do not recognise your call to violence nor your hypocrisy as being characteristics of that tendency.

Richard sometimes violence is needed and, IMO, when it is it should be directed against the baddies.

well theres a sudden change in british political thinking

normally we dont do baddies but people we dont think will fight back

If I saw one of these c*nts speaking treating a woman they way they did, I doubt I'd be standing around hand-wringing about it and tweeting mealy-mouthed equivocations.

If we were one iota of the society we were during the 1940s, those people would have had the shit kicked out of them roundly the aggressors would be national heroes for the ages.

Bold words.

What would you do if they kicked back?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lots of successful people do not possess degrees.

University should be for an elite few who excel academically.

I feel sorry for those who rack up of lots of debts going to university and no hope of getting a job with high income.

They are better off going straight into work than going to university.

I mean what jobs will a BA in the history of lipstick from the University of Brighton get you?

Abolish the polys.

I utterly agree that too many young people are paying for degrees that will not bring an adequate financial return, and personally think the 50% target for universities is a very poor one.

However;
*) Not everyone wants to get an adequate financial return. Some people may just want to learn more about a particular area; after all, many people with good degrees don't go into work within that subject area.

*) We need a massive range of skills, and the old universities do not cover them all. As an example, AIUI both Sheffield Uni and Sheffield Hallam are centres of excellence in ceramics. And that does not mean just pottery, but modern high-tech materials research. Or Derby and Staffordshire Unis are apparently rather good with fashion and textiles - and yes, there is a need for qualified people in these areas.

But there are far too many poor courses at poor universities, and even poor courses at good universities. I am all for some universities specialising down into centres of excellence in narrowish areas, but still being universities.

*) There is a related problem, in that some courses are cheap to run, and some are expensive. The scuttlebutt is that Queen Mary and Westfield (now plain old Queen Mary) stopped offering civil engineering as an undergraduate courses as it was so expensive to run. If so, this is a big problem.

Andy_Cooke said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Or we can. It depends upon your priorities.

I don't want the government to surrender to blackmail or terrorism. We have a fair alternative ready.

I love the way that many of the people saying this also threaten that there will be civil unrest and terror if another referendum were to happen and result in the people voting to stop.

I've never said that. I've long said another referendum would be fine as no Parliament binds its successors, but first we need to enact the results of last referendum then have a government elected on a manifesto pledge of having another referendum which by that point would be a rejoin referendum.

Richard_Tyndall said:

grabcocque said:

This is what happens when people stop punching the far right.

Ah, incitement to violence. A typical response from the left.

The history of facing down Nazi's without using violence is limited.

Theuniondivvie said:

JosiasJessop said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Proposals to bar students without three Ds at A-level would hit courses such as nursing and ‘strike at heart of social mobility’

The ideas have been leaked from the prime minister’s review of post-18 education, chaired by Philip Augar, a former equities broker, which is expected to report next month. One idea would stop young people qualifying for a loan if they didn’t get three Ds at A-level.

Last year nearly 8,000 UK 18-year-olds were accepted to study at university with 3Ds or lower, according to new data released by the admissions service Ucas last month. Universities say these applicants are much more likely to be from poorer families.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/jan/08/university-chiefs-angry-elitish-student-loan-plans

It is just me, or it is not ever so slightly concerning that 3 Ds is enough to get you on a nursing course in the first place! And social mobility, if you can't get 3 Ds, should you be going to uni full time regardless of where you come from?

I agree.

3Ds means you should be working at McDonalds or getting a place at Oxford.

I don't have a degree, and think that those who sneer at people without degrees or poor qualifications should go and work in their natural habitat, the sewers.

Except those who buy Apple products. They are, naturally, excellent lads and lasses.

They're efforts would certainly be appreciated in the West Country.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1082623651982266368

Wtf have the wurzels been eating?

Bloody Fulham F*ckers, coming down here with their fancy wet-wipes.....

Morris_Dancer said:

As an aside, it's interesting they called Soubry a Nazi.

Nazis tend not to attack people they dislike by using the term.

Possibly because those far right, anti immigration, anti EU racists don't see themselves as Nazis. Or they've adapted the current far right tactic of deflecting accusations of Nazism by calling the accusers Nazis.

Mr. Alistair, must admit, I'm unfamiliar with the style guide.

It's still weird, even if they are (perhaps especially if they are) far right. Imagine far left lunatics using 'socialist' as an insult.

FrancisUrquhart said:

TOPPING said:

Slackbladder said:

grabcocque said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

grabcocque said:

This is what happens when people stop punching the far right.

Like this?

German far-right politician Frank Magnitz has been beaten up and severely injured in an attack seen by police as politically motivated.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46792556

Sadly, he'll probably survive.

and boom, your moral authority just took a break and is currently enjoying a long holiday in Fiji.

Looking for Fiji Water Girl, no doubt.

I have to say given the eco virtual signalling that hollywood like to do I was surprised to see they would have anything to do with that company. I was under the impression that Fiji water was on the naughty list due to extracting a lot of water under a pretty unfair deal to the local population. And how can it ever be justified by your save the planet greenie celebs to buy water that was extracted 1000s of miles away, bottle it and ship it to idiots willing to pay £3 for a tiny bottle.

Ummm: I don't think that's true re Fiji Water.

(Except the bit about celebs paying £3 for a small bottle of water that'd been transported half way around the world.)

On previous form Stephen, you'll be the last to know...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46795406

In no surprise to anyone, Carole really didn't like the Brexit drama:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/jan/07/you-whitewashed-the-corruption-james-graham-and-carole-cadwalladr-on-brexit-the-uncivil-war?CMP=share_btn_tw

Slackbladder said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Meanwhile, I'm sure some of the site's resident hardcore Leavers will be along to say why this isn't a problem at all:

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1082403898504237058

The local conclusion is that there simply won't be customs checks...

Vote Leave. Run away from control.