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Crazy how the mind works! I read a few anti Cameron posts on here and find myself watching youtube clips of Martin Welbourne era Reggie Perrin0
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"Demonstrators in Bosnia-Hercegovina have set fire to government buildings as violent protests continue across the country for a third day.
Police have used rubber bullets and tear gas against protesters in the capital Sarajevo and the northern town of Tuzla.
Black smoke could be seen gushing from the presidency building in Sarajevo."
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I rather doubt that Britain will come to an end, even if the SNP do win the referendumAndyJS said:Alex Massie in Spectator:
"Alex Salmond is within striking distance of victory. Why hasn’t England noticed?
We could be seven months away from the end of Britain. It's time to worry"
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9131482/union-in-peril/0 -
They got a Russian and a German to do the speeches. Oh dear.0
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Dunno what the tipping point would be but I think the current upper limit nationally is in the low 20s and it will take a game changer event to push it higher (except at the euros).Anorak said:
Where do you (or anyone else for that matter) feel the "tipping point" is in the polls? By that I mean the point where UKIP become, in the wider public perception (not the average Kipper's perception), a genuine alternative choice whereby a vote for them will not be "wasted". I fear I'm not phrasing this very well, but hopefully you know what I mean.isam said:
Well, yes if the adjusted UKIP figure is still too low, it could be that there is a lot bigger proportion of others/DNVs in the UKIP score (that isn't here), but then again if they did all decide not to vote, the "hardcore" would still be 13.5ishMrJones said:
Or the newly adjusted figure is still too low?isam said:
Again, the lack of contradiction from people who would normally argue with anything I said, or invent things that I didn't say, is a big tick and a gold starisam said:
My point is that those 3.1% of voters represent 60% of the "Others and Did not votes" part of the graphic in the thread headerMikeSmithson said:
A total of 3.1% voted for UKIP at GE2010.isam said:
Yesmaaarsh said:Thread header is rather daft. How can you say 32% is a high figure for other/DNV when that includes anyone who voted for the party last time. Deduct those voters and you're left with a similar level to the other parties.
Pointed that out at the very start of the thread... I take the stony silence from the gaggle of lefties in response as a big tick and a gold star next to my sums
And your point?
The remaining 40% of others and did not vote = 13% of the UKIP score of 15 in the poll
So unless you are the kind of person that can pour three halves of lager into a pint glass without spilling any, you have got the maths wildly wrong
If OGH were right and I were wrong here, I think we would have heard about it
The only way he could be right is if the UKIP 2010 vote is not included in the others/DNV part of the pie chart in the header
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Indeed. I just wonder if it's documented somewhere that encouraging flooding was a deliberate policy to drive out the wicked humans means he'd have some co-defendants?Neil said:
If God is not careful he may find him or herself on trial in the Hague.MrJones said:I wonder if ethnic cleansing by flooding counts as illegal? Although technically i suppose it's more species cleansing. Humans out!
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Add in the 6.7% of voters UKIP has gained from the Tories back to the Tory column and you get Tories 39.7%, Labour 36% and LD 9%. Not enough for a Tory majority, but most likely giving another Tory-LD coalition. Forget left-wing 2010 LDs (who have returned to Labour anyway) the next election's most crucial group is Tory-UKIP defectors!0
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Thanks - most interesting. Massie is one of the more interesting writers on the No side.AndyJS said:Alex Massie in Spectator:
"Alex Salmond is within striking distance of victory. Why hasn’t England noticed?
We could be seven months away from the end of Britain. It's time to worry"
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9131482/union-in-peril/0 -
I really don't know. Would be good to drag the big two parties GE score into the 20s, then maybe theyd listen to normal people rather than their spin doctors and focus groupsAnorak said:
Where do you (or anyone else for that matter) feel the "tipping point" is in the polls? By that I mean the point where UKIP become, in the wider public perception (not the average Kipper's perception), a genuine alternative choice whereby a vote for them will not be "wasted". I fear I'm not phrasing this very well, but hopefully you know what I mean.isam said:
Well, yes if the adjusted UKIP figure is still too low, it could be that there is a lot bigger proportion of others/DNVs in the UKIP score (that isn't here), but then again if they did all decide not to vote, the "hardcore" would still be 13.5ishMrJones said:
Or the newly adjusted figure is still too low?isam said:
Again, the lack of contradiction from people who would normally argue with anything I said, or invent things that I didn't say, is a big tick and a gold starisam said:
My point is that those 3.1% of voters represent 60% of the "Others and Did not votes" part of the graphic in the thread headerMikeSmithson said:
A total of 3.1% voted for UKIP at GE2010.isam said:
Yesmaaarsh said:Thread header is rather daft. How can you say 32% is a high figure for other/DNV when that includes anyone who voted for the party last time. Deduct those voters and you're left with a similar level to the other parties.
Pointed that out at the very start of the thread... I take the stony silence from the gaggle of lefties in response as a big tick and a gold star next to my sums
And your point?
The remaining 40% of others and did not vote = 13% of the UKIP score of 15 in the poll
So unless you are the kind of person that can pour three halves of lager into a pint glass without spilling any, you have got the maths wildly wrong
If OGH were right and I were wrong here, I think we would have heard about it
The only way he could be right is if the UKIP 2010 vote is not included in the others/DNV part of the pie chart in the header0 -
GOP Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell in trouble in Kentucky in November's Senate election in new Survey USA poll. In a tight contest nationally, this could let the Dems hold on!
•Alison Lundergan Grimes (D) 46%
•Mitch McConnell (R) 42%
•Undecided 12%
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If there was a deliberate policy to flood people out of their homes then you'd think they could sue?
http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=84683
Worth the people involved checking it out i'd have thought.
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UKIP polled 3.6% in seats contested at 2010 election.
And Dave says he can't win in 2015 unless he keeps them below 5%...0 -
I hope you are not saying that the face of sympathy by our dear leader has a hint of faux about it. We were only a "We are all in it together" from a full house.Hugh said:
Majestic. Furrowed concerned brow (with a wisp of hair over it, suitably slightly windswept). Eyes focussed, empathetically. Mouth showing steely determination.compouter2 said:
You have to give him 10 out of 10 for this acting face:Hugh said:
He convened a Cobra meeting to sort it out.compouter2 said:The most important questions with this new tranche of rainfall that needs answered is......has Dave tripped his leccy again and has he completed a course on how to change a fuse since the last time?
http://www.politicshome.com/timthumb.php?h=200&src=/images//1.1.MPs/David_Cameron_Somerset_070214.png
And to think only earlier today he was saving the Union! What a man *swoon*0 -
Good evening, everyone.
Posting a picture of Cameron looking concerned, and mocking him for looking concerned, is pure astroturf. If you want to criticise him, there are plenty of genuine grounds. Posting such fluff just makes posters look as neutral as those paid by his political opponents to rubbish him online.0 -
Yes, right, because the vast majority of posters on here are entirely neutral.Morris_Dancer said:Good evening, everyone.
Posting a picture of Cameron looking concerned, and mocking him for looking concerned, is pure astroturf. If you want to criticise him, there are plenty of genuine grounds. Posting such fluff just makes posters look as neutral as those paid by his political opponents to rubbish him online.0 -
Putin officially opened the Games, Russian flag raised and Olympic flag about to follow. Ironically doves of peace preceeded!0
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Quiet you!compouter2 said:
Yes, right, because the vast majority of posters on here are entirely neutral.Morris_Dancer said:Good evening, everyone.
Posting a picture of Cameron looking concerned, and mocking him for looking concerned, is pure astroturf. If you want to criticise him, there are plenty of genuine grounds. Posting such fluff just makes posters look as neutral as those paid by his political opponents to rubbish him online.
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Mr. Compouter, there's a difference between not being 100% neutral and being 100% 'on-message' all day, every day.0
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You're a Green. Almost by definition they are terrified of everything in the post medieval world.Neil said:
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Happisburgh is one of those placenames that is a real trap for the outsider. It's pronounced Haze-bru.MrJones said:0 -
Quite a lot of things in the pre medieval world were scary too!Richard_Tyndall said:
You're a Green. Almost by definition they are terrified of everything in the post medieval world.Neil said:0 -
French approval for Socialist Hollande hits new low;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2553979/Francois-Hollandes-approval-rating-hits-record-low-crumbling-economy-stories-love-life-hammer-credibility.html
Miliband should stand up for his friend in need.
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"on message" - PB Hodge Cameroon who thinks the sun shines from the Gideon passage of Micky Gove.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Compouter, there's a difference between not being 100% neutral and being 100% 'on-message' all day, every day.
Correct, for the vast majority on here....I'm off message.
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Mr. Neil, to be fair, the medieval world did have a somewhat dubious record on health and safety.0
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Wouldn't they have been afraid of the Medieval Warm Period too though?Richard_Tyndall said:
You're a Green. Almost by definition they are terrified of everything in the post medieval world.Neil said:
All those petrol-guzzling 4x4 Chelsea chariots...
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If only there were a poster on here that could find a picture of someone with a badly poured Guinness0
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Mr. Compouter, I broadly approve of Gove's reforms. I disagreed with his utterances on the Great War. I've regularly criticised Cameron's greenery, the slashing of Defence, the ring-fencing of Health and the deranged approach to energy (cf Eggborough). I eagerly anticipate your effusive praise of any Conservative/Coalition policy and/or thoughtful criticism of Miliband and Balls.
Also, PB Hodge Cameroon makes you sound like an imbecile. This is especially true when talking to someone who is voting UKIP in the European elections.0 -
It's not Major's missing voters. It's Labour's missing voters / swing voters.OblitusSumMe said:
I'd be really interested in an attempt to quantify that, but it is possible that the ex-voters are late voters and the next generation that has replaced them simply does not engage with the political process, or wider civic society, as much as previous generations.MrJones said:If you look at the drop in turnout levels since 92/97 there's lots of ex-voters not just non-voters.
It will be 23 years since 1992 in 2015. At some point the people who cling to Major's missing voters as the answer to all their problems will have to accept that the poor dears are all dead. [With apologies to those older contributors to the thread who were eligible to vote in the 1992 general election]
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They would all have been sat around blaming that new-fangled three field system. :-)GeoffM said:
Wouldn't they have been afraid of the Medieval Warm Period too though?Richard_Tyndall said:
You're a Green. Almost by definition they are terrified of everything in the post medieval world.Neil said:
All those petrol-guzzling 4x4 Chelsea chariots...0 -
Err....they don't count.Hugh said:
Never see any pisstaking out of Ed Miliband on here do you? None.compouter2 said:
"on message" - PB Hodge Cameroon who thinks the sun shines from the Gideon passage of Micky Gove.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Compouter, there's a difference between not being 100% neutral and being 100% 'on-message' all day, every day.
Correct, for the vast majority on here....I'm off message.
Bet there was never ever ever any out of Gordon Brown either. Never.
Look squirrel!0 -
Good for you for voting UKIP. I did praise Cameron earlier, I gave him 10 out of 10 for his acting.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Compouter, I broadly approve of Gove's reforms. I disagreed with his utterances on the Great War. I've regularly criticised Cameron's greenery, the slashing of Defence, the ring-fencing of Health and the deranged approach to energy (cf Eggborough). I eagerly anticipate your effusive praise of any Conservative/Coalition policy and/or thoughtful criticism of Miliband and Balls.
Also, PB Hodge Cameroon makes you sound like an imbecile. This is especially true when talking to someone who is voting UKIP in the European elections.0 -
Mr. Compouter, I said at the time that Brown never got fair treatment, and that whilst he regularly got undeserved praise he was also sometimes subjected to entirely unfair criticism (either wholly undeserved or far more than it should have been).
My problem with you and Mr. Hugh is not taking the piss out of Cameron (sometimes he deserves it. His views on global warming are bonkers). It's that you both appear to be 100% on-message all day, every day. All you post is constant, unthinking criticism.
Perhaps I'm wrong. I hope so. I'm not on all the time and probably miss half the comments. We certainly have enough astroturf as it is, and schemes like the absolutely bloody brilliant Red Rag have proven there are those who seek to manipulate online discourse to serve party political ends.0 -
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b1bb3db0-8fe9-11e3-aee9-00144feab7de.html#ixzz2sfGFrV00
A currency union between an independent Scotland and the rest of the UK would be liable to break apart, particularly with the public finance challenges Edinburgh would face after independence, a landmark study says on Friday.0 -
Err.....what's wrong with Red Rag, well apart from no posts for nearly two months? I feel all offended :-)Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Compouter, I said at the time that Brown never got fair treatment, and that whilst he regularly got undeserved praise he was also sometimes subjected to entirely unfair criticism (either wholly undeserved or far more than it should have been).
My problem with you and Mr. Hugh is not taking the piss out of Cameron (sometimes he deserves it. His views on global warming are bonkers). It's that you both appear to be 100% on-message all day, every day. All you post is constant, unthinking criticism.
Perhaps I'm wrong. I hope so. I'm not on all the time and probably miss half the comments. We certainly have enough astroturf as it is, and schemes like the absolutely bloody brilliant Red Rag have proven there are those who seek to manipulate online discourse to serve party political ends.
http://redrag1.blogspot.co.uk/0 -
Telegraph News @TelegraphNews Jan 8
David Cameron has linked the widespread floods and bad weather affecting the UK to climate change http://fw.to/Is0OO4R by @emilygosden0 -
BBC: Attempted hijacking on plane from Ukraine to Turkey. Hijacker intended to fly plane to Sochi.0
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I loved Moniker's line that it was a misogynistic name.compouter2 said:
Err.....what's wrong with Red Rag0 -
Mr. Compouter, it does not refer to the poster. As you may be aware, there was a scheme cooked up to discredit some senior politicians through the most vile smears imaginable.
F1: Lotus are having a shakedown. Having missed the first test this will be their first chance to have a go with the car. It may be an opportunity for Renault to see how much progress they've made fixing their engine and ERS:
http://www.espn.co.uk/lotusf1/motorsport/story/144689.html
I read something earlier today suggesting the Renault was two months behind schedule.0 -
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Now we need a (largely paid on commission) sales person to sell our data feed to: newspapers, web sites, app developers, and bookmakers.
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Please drop me a message if you (or anyone you know) might be interested and good at this.
Thanks, Robert0 -
Vile smears and politics, who'd a thowt it?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Compouter, it does not refer to the poster. As you may be aware, there was a scheme cooked up to discredit some senior politicians through the most vile smears imaginable.
F1: Lotus are having a shakedown. Having missed the first test this will be their first chance to have a go with the car. It may be an opportunity for Renault to see how much progress they've made fixing their engine and ERS:
http://www.espn.co.uk/lotusf1/motorsport/story/144689.html
I read something earlier today suggesting the Renault was two months behind schedule.0 -
Mr. Pork, Cameron's a bloody fool sometimes. Almost reminds me of Mr. India (I know I used him to have a go at SNPers, but it fits for him too).
Somerset floods? - Climate change!
Philipinne[sp] storm? - Climate change!
Nice weather? - Climate change!
Nasty weather? - Climate change?
Blithering idiot. We need more coal and nuclear power stations, not to be shutting places like Eggborough. This is related to the similarity of leadership of the parties. None have a bloody clue what it's like to struggle for money, so higher costs are something they're 'willing to pay', because it's practically no sacrifice at all. At the same time, they've all bought into the so-called science, despite a decade and a half hiatus as the temperature plateaus.
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?0 -
Mr. Hugh, I'm reminded of the start of a Blackadder II episode, where Blackadder is trying to teach Baldrick the importance of thinking for himself.
I just want you to have an original thought, that's all. One waits with bated breath.0 -
Received your e-mail today, couldn't remember why I joined. Thanks for reminding me.rcs1000 said:Hello PBers,
Some of you may remember me pimping my new business - Crowdscores - which is crowdsourcing sports data collection.
Right now, media organisations need to pay sizeable sums to Opta (which has the official license for UK football data) if they want to put live football scores on their websites.. Crowdscores uses a combination of people at games submitting scores on their smartphones, and Twitter mining to produce a completely legal, alternatively sourced set of score data.
Now we need a (largely paid on commission) sales person to sell our data feed to: newspapers, web sites, app developers, and bookmakers.
Love of football a benefit.
Desire to make good money in a new venture a positive.
Keen to smash a monopoly provider a bonus.
Please drop me a message if you (or anyone you know) might be interested and good at this.
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If you want cheap electricity, nuclear is not the option. The only reasons you'd install new nuclear are (1) diversity of supply; (2) a wish to install non-intermittent "carbon neutral" power capacity.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pork, Cameron's a bloody fool sometimes. Almost reminds me of Mr. India (I know I used him to have a go at SNPers, but it fits for him too).
Somerset floods? - Climate change!
Philipinne[sp] storm? - Climate change!
Nice weather? - Climate change!
Nasty weather? - Climate change?
Blithering idiot. We need more coal and nuclear power stations, not to be shutting places like Eggborough. This is related to the similarity of leadership of the parties. None have a bloody clue what it's like to struggle for money, so higher costs are something they're 'willing to pay', because it's practically no sacrifice at all. At the same time, they've all bought into the so-called science, despite a decade and a half hiatus as the temperature plateaus.
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?0 -
They accept the scientific consensus and curiously don't blame the floods on gay people.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pork, Cameron's a bloody fool sometimes. Almost reminds me of Mr. India (I know I used him to have a go at SNPers, but it fits for him too).
Somerset floods? - Climate change!
Philipinne[sp] storm? - Climate change!
Nice weather? - Climate change!
Nasty weather? - Climate change?
Blithering idiot. We need more coal and nuclear power stations, not to be shutting places like Eggborough. This is related to the similarity of leadership of the parties. None have a bloody clue what it's like to struggle for money, so higher costs are something they're 'willing to pay', because it's practically no sacrifice at all. At the same time, they've all bought into the so-called science, despite a decade and a half hiatus as the temperature plateaus.
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?0 -
I find my ideas fall into one of two categories:Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Hugh, I'm reminded of the start of a Blackadder II episode, where Blackadder is trying to teach Baldrick the importance of thinking for himself.
I just want you to have an original thought, that's all. One waits with bated breath.
Original
or
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Mr. 1000, you missed off security of supply.
We have left it too late to get it for a decent (even in relative terms) cost, it would seem. But we need new power stations as a matter of urgency.0 -
http://www.snp.org/vision/greener-scotland/climate-changeMorris_Dancer said:
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?
Of course, they rely on cross subsidy from rUK to get it going.....
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It's total nonsense, the more countries approve gay marriage the worse climate change gets.Mick_Pork said:
They accept the scientific consensus and curiously don't blame the floods on gay people.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pork, Cameron's a bloody fool sometimes. Almost reminds me of Mr. India (I know I used him to have a go at SNPers, but it fits for him too).
Somerset floods? - Climate change!
Philipinne[sp] storm? - Climate change!
Nice weather? - Climate change!
Nasty weather? - Climate change?
Blithering idiot. We need more coal and nuclear power stations, not to be shutting places like Eggborough. This is related to the similarity of leadership of the parties. None have a bloody clue what it's like to struggle for money, so higher costs are something they're 'willing to pay', because it's practically no sacrifice at all. At the same time, they've all bought into the so-called science, despite a decade and a half hiatus as the temperature plateaus.
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?0 -
Wonder if Godfrey Bloom thinks the floods are all the fault of "sluts".Alanbrooke said:
It's total nonsense, the more countries approve gay marriage the worse climate change gets.Mick_Pork said:
They accept the scientific consensus and curiously don't blame the floods on gay people.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pork, Cameron's a bloody fool sometimes. Almost reminds me of Mr. India (I know I used him to have a go at SNPers, but it fits for him too).
Somerset floods? - Climate change!
Philipinne[sp] storm? - Climate change!
Nice weather? - Climate change!
Nasty weather? - Climate change?
Blithering idiot. We need more coal and nuclear power stations, not to be shutting places like Eggborough. This is related to the similarity of leadership of the parties. None have a bloody clue what it's like to struggle for money, so higher costs are something they're 'willing to pay', because it's practically no sacrifice at all. At the same time, they've all bought into the so-called science, despite a decade and a half hiatus as the temperature plateaus.
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?john Jones UKIP @jlj21964 3h
UKIP candidate Jane Collins aims to succeed Godfrey Bloom in a 'political earthquake' http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/UKIP-candidate-Jane-Collins-aims-succeed-Godfrey/story-20580118-detail/story.html …
Or maybe it's only for EARTHQUAKES!
*chortle*
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Here is something on it, if I may , not that you will like it - http://www.snp.org/vision/greener-scotland/climate-changeMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Pork, Cameron's a bloody fool sometimes. Almost reminds me of Mr. India (I know I used him to have a go at SNPers, but it fits for him too).
Somerset floods? - Climate change!
Philipinne[sp] storm? - Climate change!
Nice weather? - Climate change!
Nasty weather? - Climate change?
Blithering idiot. We need more coal and nuclear power stations, not to be shutting places like Eggborough. This is related to the similarity of leadership of the parties. None have a bloody clue what it's like to struggle for money, so higher costs are something they're 'willing to pay', because it's practically no sacrifice at all. At the same time, they've all bought into the so-called science, despite a decade and a half hiatus as the temperature plateaus.
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?
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I saw little point in posting it as one of Ed Balls inept spinners would inevitably start shrieking and whining about it.Carnyx said:
Here is something on it, if I may , not that you will like it - http://www.snp.org/vision/greener-scotland/climate-changeMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Pork, Cameron's a bloody fool sometimes. Almost reminds me of Mr. India (I know I used him to have a go at SNPers, but it fits for him too).
Somerset floods? - Climate change!
Philipinne[sp] storm? - Climate change!
Nice weather? - Climate change!
Nasty weather? - Climate change?
Blithering idiot. We need more coal and nuclear power stations, not to be shutting places like Eggborough. This is related to the similarity of leadership of the parties. None have a bloody clue what it's like to struggle for money, so higher costs are something they're 'willing to pay', because it's practically no sacrifice at all. At the same time, they've all bought into the so-called science, despite a decade and a half hiatus as the temperature plateaus.
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?
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Cheers, Mr. Pork, and Mr. Carnyx.
Mr. Hugh, I also have not 'taken to task' others on the left, or SNPers. I disagree very often with people like Mr. Observer or Mr. Carnyx, but that doesn't matter. What matters is that they are not stuck records with entirely predictable opinions and Pavlovian responses to any sign of Cameron in the media.
I do, genuinely, hope I'm wrong. But the fact that you and Mr. Compouter think that posting a picture of Cameron looking concerned about the floods and then taking the piss out of him for it does suggest you've come loaded with prejudice. It's somewhat out of character for me to post such, and perhaps I shouldn't have been so intemperate, but at the same time I feel I can predict the exact timbre of every post you've written, or will write.
I hope that isn't the case, and shall endeavour to refrain from posting on this again. I've registered my view, and the site doesn't need to be clogged with repetition.0 -
I thought Salmond had a dream of combusting one and a half trillion pounds' worth of North Sea hydro-carbons over the coming few years. How in God's name is that carbon neutral?Carnyx said:
Here is something on it, if I may , not that you will like it - http://www.snp.org/vision/greener-scotland/climate-changeMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Pork, Cameron's a bloody fool sometimes. Almost reminds me of Mr. India (I know I used him to have a go at SNPers, but it fits for him too).
Somerset floods? - Climate change!
Philipinne[sp] storm? - Climate change!
Nice weather? - Climate change!
Nasty weather? - Climate change?
Blithering idiot. We need more coal and nuclear power stations, not to be shutting places like Eggborough. This is related to the similarity of leadership of the parties. None have a bloody clue what it's like to struggle for money, so higher costs are something they're 'willing to pay', because it's practically no sacrifice at all. At the same time, they've all bought into the so-called science, despite a decade and a half hiatus as the temperature plateaus.
Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?
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The thought that the former PR man Cameron brings most of this upon himself doesn't appear to have crossed your mind. Yet infamous 'lefty' and 'labour astroturfer' Iain Martin seems none too impressed by Cammie's delayed media response.Morris_Dancer said:and Pavlovian responses to any sign of Cameron in the media.
Telegraph Politics @TelePolitics Feb 6
Blog: What is it with David Cameron and his slow response to floods? http://tgr.ph/1fyq76Y0 -
He made such an epic and hilarious prat of himself (misreporting a yougov poll) that he had to change his name.compouter2 said:
Err.....what's wrong with Red Rag, well apart from no posts for nearly two months? I feel all offended :-)Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Compouter, I said at the time that Brown never got fair treatment, and that whilst he regularly got undeserved praise he was also sometimes subjected to entirely unfair criticism (either wholly undeserved or far more than it should have been).
My problem with you and Mr. Hugh is not taking the piss out of Cameron (sometimes he deserves it. His views on global warming are bonkers). It's that you both appear to be 100% on-message all day, every day. All you post is constant, unthinking criticism.
Perhaps I'm wrong. I hope so. I'm not on all the time and probably miss half the comments. We certainly have enough astroturf as it is, and schemes like the absolutely bloody brilliant Red Rag have proven there are those who seek to manipulate online discourse to serve party political ends.
http://redrag1.blogspot.co.uk/
Site rules preclude me from telling you what to, but I think you know anyway.
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If true and the increase in global temperatures plateaued 15 years ago that means the EA has had 15 years to improve flood and sea defenses to the new level required.Mick_Pork said:Telegraph News @TelegraphNews Jan 8
David Cameron has linked the widespread floods and bad weather affecting the UK to climate change http://fw.to/Is0OO4R by @emilygosden
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You keep using this word AstroTurf. What on earth are you on about?Morris_Dancer said:Good evening, everyone.
Posting a picture of Cameron looking concerned, and mocking him for looking concerned, is pure astroturf. If you want to criticise him, there are plenty of genuine grounds. Posting such fluff just makes posters look as neutral as those paid by his political opponents to rubbish him online.
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Indeed. Given that Britain is an island, I should imagine so. Unless Massie thinks Salmond is going to run a supersize circular saw along the bits of the border that aren't on the Tweed?Charles said:
I rather doubt that Britain will come to an end, even if the SNP do win the referendumAndyJS said:Alex Massie in Spectator:
"Alex Salmond is within striking distance of victory. Why hasn’t England noticed?
We could be seven months away from the end of Britain. It's time to worry"
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9131482/union-in-peril/
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Anna Soubry's on AQ.0
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JFGI.TheLastBoyScout said:
You keep using this word AstroTurf. What on earth are you on about?Morris_Dancer said:Good evening, everyone.
Posting a picture of Cameron looking concerned, and mocking him for looking concerned, is pure astroturf. If you want to criticise him, there are plenty of genuine grounds. Posting such fluff just makes posters look as neutral as those paid by his political opponents to rubbish him online.
And if you don't understand that, JFGI.
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By far the most amusing thing about Cammie linking the floods to climate change wasn't the horrified silence from most PB tories. It was the fact that they had all been explicitly warned that those who were gullible enough to believe Cammie's desperate posturing on 'green crap' were going to end up looking very foolish indeed. And so it proved.
Guardian Environment @guardianeco Nov 21
David Cameron at centre of 'get rid of all the green crap' storm http://gu.com/p/3ktcg/tf
BBC Radio 4 Today @BBCr4today Jan 10
Cameron 'suspects' floods linked to climate change http://bbc.in/1aH9gfn #r4today0 -
UKIP are already getting more votes than the LDs in local elections, and they placed second in two of the three Westminster by-elections in 2013.Anorak said:
Where do you (or anyone else for that matter) feel the "tipping point" is in the polls? By that I mean the point where UKIP become, in the wider public perception (not the average Kipper's perception), a genuine alternative choice whereby a vote for them will not be "wasted". I fear I'm not phrasing this very well, but hopefully you know what I mean.isam said:
Well, yes if the adjusted UKIP figure is still too low, it could be that there is a lot bigger proportion of others/DNVs in the UKIP score (that isn't here), but then again if they did all decide not to vote, the "hardcore" would still be 13.5ishMrJones said:
Or the newly adjusted figure is still too low?isam said:
Again, the lack of contradiction from people who would normally argue with anything I said, or invent things that I didn't say, is a big tick and a gold starisam said:
My point is that those 3.1% of voters represent 60% of the "Others and Did not votes" part of the graphic in the thread headerMikeSmithson said:
A total of 3.1% voted for UKIP at GE2010.isam said:
Yesmaaarsh said:Thread header is rather daft. How can you say 32% is a high figure for other/DNV when that includes anyone who voted for the party last time. Deduct those voters and you're left with a similar level to the other parties.
Pointed that out at the very start of the thread... I take the stony silence from the gaggle of lefties in response as a big tick and a gold star next to my sums
And your point?
The remaining 40% of others and did not vote = 13% of the UKIP score of 15 in the poll
So unless you are the kind of person that can pour three halves of lager into a pint glass without spilling any, you have got the maths wildly wrong
If OGH were right and I were wrong here, I think we would have heard about it
The only way he could be right is if the UKIP 2010 vote is not included in the others/DNV part of the pie chart in the header
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LOL. Shame for him that floods like this have been happening for millennia. Basically he will say anything to avoid accepting the fact that the lack of maintaining the drainage systems (by successive governments) are turning the Somerset levels back into what they always were.Mick_Pork said:Telegraph News @TelegraphNews Jan 8
David Cameron has linked the widespread floods and bad weather affecting the UK to climate change http://fw.to/Is0OO4R by @emilygosden0 -
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Please drop me a message if you (or anyone you know) might be interested and good at this.
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I see Mitchell is in to 3/1 with Paddy Power and Paterson in to 9/2. The power of Pulpstar's 14.92 or whatever his limit on those bets was!0
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No yellow boxes ?
I was hoping Avery was going to produce some now that we have the year end industrial production stats.
Let me provide some data on how well that economic rebalancing is going:
2010 100.0
2011 98.8
2012 96.3
2013 96.0
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=K222&dataset=diop&table-id=A1
The peak output year being at 114.2 way back in 2000, meaning a fall in output of 16%.
That's a THIRTEEN year industrial depression which the collected PPEs of Westminster, Whitehall and the City have presided over.
By comparison retail sales have increased by 40% over the same period.
Ever wondered where the trillion quid of extra household debt and the trillion quid of extra government debt went ?
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If you were a true Pastafarian you would know there is a direct correlation between the decline in the number of pirates and Global Warming (They have graphs to prove it and everything!) If we want to stop the planet warming up we need to encourage the scourge of the High Seas once more.Alanbrooke said:
It's total nonsense, the more countries approve gay marriage the worse climate change gets.Mick_Pork said:
They accept the scientific consensus and curiously don't blame the floods on gay people.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pork, Cameron's a bloody fool sometimes. Almost reminds me of Mr. India (I know I used him to have a go at SNPers, but it fits for him too).
Somerset floods? - Climate change!
Philipinne[sp] storm? - Climate change!
Nice weather? - Climate change!
Nasty weather? - Climate change?
Blithering idiot. We need more coal and nuclear power stations, not to be shutting places like Eggborough. This is related to the similarity of leadership of the parties. None have a bloody clue what it's like to struggle for money, so higher costs are something they're 'willing to pay', because it's practically no sacrifice at all. At the same time, they've all bought into the so-called science, despite a decade and a half hiatus as the temperature plateaus.
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The last I heard Avery had left the site.another_richard said:No yellow boxes ?
I was hoping Avery was going to produce some now that we have the year end industrial production stats.
Let me provide some data on how well that economic rebalancing is going:
2010 100.0
2011 98.8
2012 96.3
2013 96.0
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=K222&dataset=diop&table-id=A1
The peak output year being at 114.2 way back in 2000, meaning a fall in output of 16%.
That's a THIRTEEN year industrial depression which the collected PPEs of Westminster, Whitehall and the City have presided over.
By comparison retail sales have increased by 40% over the same period.
Ever wondered where the trillion quid of extra household debt and the trillion quid of extra government debt went ?0 -
@another_richard
I hate to be the one to break it to you (because I know it will hit you more than most!) but we are without Avery until at least the end of the month. He was last seen packing his yellow boxes into a removal van and heading for ConHome.0 -
They blame it on England hogging the Gulf StreamMorris_Dancer said:Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?
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The supposed fifth column kipper site ConHome? Doubtful.Neil said:@another_richard
I hate to be the one to break it to you (because I know it will hit you more than most!) but we are without Avery until at least the end of the month. He was last seen packing his yellow boxes into a removal van and heading for ConHome.0 -
UKIP are already getting more votes than the LDs in local elections, and they placed second in two of the three Westminster by-elections in 2013.anotherDave said:
Where do you (or anyone else for that matter) feel the "tipping point" is in the polls? By that I mean the point where UKIP become, in the wider public perception (not the average Kipper's perception), a genuine alternative choice whereby a vote for them will not be "wasted". I fear I'm not phrasing this very well, but hopefully you know what I mean.
I guess they will come second at Wythenshawe as well and it probably doesn't matter much if they get 25% or 15% the headline will be "UKIP comes second". The change in Populus weighting will increase their polling - today they are 6 points ahead of the LDs, on Monday it was 2 points behind. Although as Populus doesn't have a newspaper deal it won't get widely published. "Winning" the Euros will be extra publicity.
But will all this mean that people will vote for them in a FPTP Westminster election? I suspect it might not.
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Off-shore multi-millionaire elitist enters the referendum debate;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7261161.stm0 -
I guess they will come second at Wythenshawe as well and it probably doesn't matter much if they get 25% or 15% the headline will be "UKIP comes second". The change in Populus weighting will increase their polling - today they are 6 points ahead of the LDs, on Monday it was 2 points behind. Although as Populus doesn't have a newspaper deal it won't get widely published. "Winning" the Euros will be extra publicity.JohnLilburne said:
UKIP are already getting more votes than the LDs in local elections, and they placed second in two of the three Westminster by-elections in 2013.anotherDave said:
Where do you (or anyone else for that matter) feel the "tipping point" is in the polls? By that I mean the point where UKIP become, in the wider public perception (not the average Kipper's perception), a genuine alternative choice whereby a vote for them will not be "wasted". I fear I'm not phrasing this very well, but hopefully you know what I mean.
But will all this mean that people will vote for them in a FPTP Westminster election? I suspect it might not.
People vote for the LDs in FPTP Westminster elections, UKIP get more votes in local elections than the LDs.
The by-elections are a FPTP choice. Eastleigh was a Conservative target seat, UKIP have made it a UKIP vs LD seat.
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The obvious modern solution - Vote Pirate! :-)Richard_Tyndall said:
If you were a true Pastafarian you would know there is a direct correlation between the decline in the number of pirates and Global Warming (They have graphs to prove it and everything!) If we want to stop the planet warming up we need to encourage the scourge of the High Seas once more.Alanbrooke said:
It's total nonsense, the more countries approve gay marriage the worse climate change gets.Mick_Pork said:
They accept the scientific consensus and curiously don't blame the floods on gay people.0 -
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MonikerDiCanio said:
Off-shore multi-millionaire elitist enters the referendum debate;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7261161.stm
2008? Golly, the trolls are desperate.
Only in Scotland could a milkman fae Fountainbridge called Tam be described as of the elite. Marvellous stuff.
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People vote for the LDs in FPTP Westminster elections, UKIP get more votes in local elections than the LDs.anotherDave said:
I guess they will come second at Wythenshawe as well and it probably doesn't matter much if they get 25% or 15% the headline will be "UKIP comes second". The change in Populus weighting will increase their polling - today they are 6 points ahead of the LDs, on Monday it was 2 points behind. Although as Populus doesn't have a newspaper deal it won't get widely published. "Winning" the Euros will be extra publicity.JohnLilburne said:
UKIP are already getting more votes than the LDs in local elections, and they placed second in two of the three Westminster by-elections in 2013.anotherDave said:
Where do you (or anyone else for that matter) feel the "tipping point" is in the polls? By that I mean the point where UKIP become, in the wider public perception (not the average Kipper's perception), a genuine alternative choice whereby a vote for them will not be "wasted". I fear I'm not phrasing this very well, but hopefully you know what I mean.
But will all this mean that people will vote for them in a FPTP Westminster election? I suspect it might not.
The by-elections are a FPTP choice. Eastleigh was a Conservative target seat, UKIP have made it a UKIP vs LD seat.
But in a by-election you can stick two fingers up at the Government - it's not going to change who's in power, and if the elected MP is an idiot, you can change him in May 2015. Local council elections are maybe not seen as serious as general elections and - shock - people might actually vote on local issues. And the LDs have managed to build up local power bases where it most definitely is not a wasted vote. However well they do in council elections, by-elections and the Euros, we won't know how much of that translates into a general election vote until the date.
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But in a by-election you can stick two fingers up at the Government - it's not going to change who's in power, and if the elected MP is an idiot, you can change him in May 2015. Local council elections are maybe not seen as serious as general elections and - shock - people might actually vote on local issues. And the LDs have managed to build up local power bases where it most definitely is not a wasted vote. However well they do in council elections, by-elections and the Euros, we won't know how much of that translates into a general election vote until the date.JohnLilburne said:
People vote for the LDs in FPTP Westminster elections, UKIP get more votes in local elections than the LDs.anotherDave said:
I guess they will come second at Wythenshawe as well and it probably doesn't matter much if they get 25% or 15% the headline will be "UKIP comes second". The change in Populus weighting will increase their polling - today they are 6 points ahead of the LDs, on Monday it was 2 points behind. Although as Populus doesn't have a newspaper deal it won't get widely published. "Winning" the Euros will be extra publicity.JohnLilburne said:
UKIP are already getting more votes than the LDs in local elections, and they placed second in two of the three Westminster by-elections in 2013.anotherDave said:
Where do you (or anyone else for that matter) feel the "tipping point" is in the polls? By that I mean the point where UKIP become, in the wider public perception (not the average Kipper's perception), a genuine alternative choice whereby a vote for them will not be "wasted". I fear I'm not phrasing this very well, but hopefully you know what I mean.
But will all this mean that people will vote for them in a FPTP Westminster election? I suspect it might not.
The by-elections are a FPTP choice. Eastleigh was a Conservative target seat, UKIP have made it a UKIP vs LD seat.
UKIP have repeatedly said they're attempting to reproduce the LD strategy of using local government wins as a step to Westminster wins.
The 2013 local election results are encouraging.
http://survation.com/2013/05/ukip-won-in-8-westminster-constituencies-last-thursday/
http://www.eastleighnews.co.uk/2013/05/2013-county-election-results/
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Eh?? It's on the other side of Ireland. I've found West Indies beans on the west coast of Orkney, and driftwood with goose barnacles in the Small Isles.JohnLilburne said:
They blame it on England hogging the Gulf StreamMorris_Dancer said:Out of interest, what's the SNP's view on climate change?
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Mr Divvie's point, just in case anyone misses it, is that we did not have a prospect of a referendum in 2008 - let alone a debate - as the SNP government was a minority one.Theuniondivvie said:MonikerDiCanio said:Off-shore multi-millionaire elitist enters the referendum debate;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7261161.stm
2008? Golly, the trolls are desperate.
Only in Scotland could a milkman fae Fountainbridge called Tam be described as of the elite. Marvellous stuff.
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Neil / RT
What happened (if I'm allowed to ask) ?
I know he was around a couple of days ago.
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Like the 2005 report of a 1974 paper Pork posted earlier today?Theuniondivvie said:MonikerDiCanio said:Off-shore multi-millionaire elitist enters the referendum debate;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7261161.stm
2008? Golly, the trolls are desperate.
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He disagreed with a moderator's ruling, was asked not to post again until the end of the month and has not yet decided if he will return after that.another_richard said:Neil / RT
What happened (if I'm allowed to ask) ?
I know he was around a couple of days ago.
(Trying to keep absolutely neutral :-) )0 -
I can't help thinking the Sochi show may help him in exile as he is something of a russophile.Richard_Tyndall said:
He disagreed with a moderator's ruling, was asked not to post again until the end of the month and has not yet decided if he will return after that.another_richard said:Neil / RT
What happened (if I'm allowed to ask) ?
I know he was around a couple of days ago.
(Trying to keep absolutely neutral :-) )
Though I do hope he comes back soon as he's always fun.0 -
Ed Balls inept SCON spinners could try it. They certainly are desperate enough.Theuniondivvie said:Only in Scotland could a milkman fae Fountainbridge called Tam be described as of the elite. Marvellous stuff.
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